I visited AP 4 or 5 times over the course of two years no watch then finally after 2.5 years. I got the call for a 15510 then to approximately 11 months later I got the 26240 blue chronograph. Patience is the key and being polite.
l am a private person, had an appointment in the UK at AP, pleasant but uncomfortable encounter, Ended up going to an Arab country, Great service & prices, Walked away with 3 Royal Oaks, Job done,,,,,,
Protect the brand? I see brand new royal oaks flooding the grey market every day.... It is such a shame that real watch enthusiasts have been priced and depopularised out this experience.
@@sachiyth How? It's pretty simple. I can move watches on C24 or any other platform. Why would a Rolex AD sell to you at retail when they can sell to me at retail plus the $2,000 cash I'm going to put in his hand in the car park after? Privacy laws means the AD legally can't give Rolex my contact info. Ta
I’ve been reading so many comments about Audemars Piguet Boutiques and their vetting process. I went into one of them in London today and can honestly say how shocked I was at the absolutely amazing service. The sales guy couldn’t have been more helpful. I mentioned the 39mm Royal Oak in Stainless Steel and was told the chances of that as my first purchase was highly unlikely but was more than happy to register my interest in a 41mm Royal Oak and a 38mm Royal Oak Chronograph. I also got to try on both of them and was extremely impressed. Fingers crossed that in a year or two I might get the call.
@@Madeinlondon67the wait list is fake. I suggest u purchase a less popular model like a code or ROO to build purchase history. I got my ROO first and RO 6 months later.
@@JohnAndJaneDoe65 I’m not interested in buying something that I don’t want. I did exactly the same when registering my interest in a Rolex GMT Batman in 2021 when I was told the same thing but refused. I collected my watch on Saturday 26th October and had No previous spend history with that AD.
@@David-yd6ur It's a mindset thing, you don't get it but it's ok: I can wait for a Ulysse Nardin, A' Lange und Sohne, F.P' Journe and the likes because they take a long time to make. For a Rolex or an AP? Hell no! If you don't want my money, I'll spend it with someone who is more respectful and grateful for it.
@@galenmarek6949j'ai bien lu votre commentaire ???? Ulysse Nardin au milieu de FP Journe et L and S ???? 😂😂😂😂😂 j'ai craché mon café sur le bureau en vous lisant .... Monsieur Monsieur Monsieur cessez votre baratin ... ne tentez pas de glisser le modèle que vous devez avoir au poignet pour faire de la pub s'il vous plaît 😂😂😂😂 Ulysse Nardin 😂😂😂😂 je n'arrête pas de rire .. Ulysse Nardin c'est Hublot ... AP / PP puis derrière Rolex fin de l'histoire ce n'est ni moi ni vous qui décidez c'est le marché tel qu'il est fait depuis 50 ans
Great video. Just had my first appointment 2 weeks ago. My rep has been going back and forth with me on Text a bit so I have no idea if I’m someone they would consider selling a watch to, either way I’d expect it to take it a years. I’ve heard about this 4 times thing online. I’ve gone in 2x. I was able to stop in the first time and then set up an actual formal appointment for my 2nd time. Both times the rep Ive been dealing with has been really lovely. Definitely was an in depth conversation both times. During my 1st visit we just talked watches for 45 mins. My 2nd visit we really talked about the brand and what I was interested in. My preference is the 37mm date or the 38mm Chrono. Both I imagine will be almost impossible to get.
Funny thing about this whole "vetting process" is that their target audience actually values time above everything else. "I'll send my assitant to jump through all of these fiery hoops, is that ok for you?"
What's wrong with Dave or stormzy? They are tax paying citizens of the UK that live in London near the ADs selling the watches and can afford the watches not sure why they would be excluded from an opportunity to purchase them
@@dean9090 unsure what that has to do with buying an audemars from the AD I see chavs buying watches all the time I didn't know social class was a requirement to spend money at a retailer
Because once people have woken up they realise that they are a) ugly and (whilst that is subjective) b) they are extremely uncomfortable. There is a point c) as well - If you have a wrist the size of a fully grown man, the strap will be too small.
Went in a couple of times and got offered a RG code chrono right away, which was a model I was interested in anyway. Pulled the trigger on that and got offered an offshore 6 months later which I also picked up, then a full ceramic RO. Granted I had purchased a steel RO grey market first and showed my passion through keeping in touch with the SAs and being knowledgeable and polite. Have been invited to some events since then, golf etc. and met some great friends through the AP network. I can see how it seems like a drag, but like most things if you put in the effort and time it pays off .. not just with watches but you also get put in touch with a whole new network of great people :)
I received my first Royal Oak (stainless steel grey dial) the very first time I walked into an AP store back in June 2023, and I am not a celebrity. Indeed your probability of getting a Royal Oak depends on how much you fit with the brand’s client target, but how famous you are isn’t their main criteria.
Actually it’s the right way. On the crown it gets less scratched due to the surface what touches the table is smaller than when it’s placed on the other side. Otherwise it doesn’t make any other difference.
It’s not impossible. I bought an offshore diver on a walk in from Geneva 18 months ago. I then bought a ladies Royal Oak 34mm six months later and just bought a 41mm Royal Oak in April. And the lady I deal with in London is lovely.
I’ve found AP great to deal with and in some ways a lot less stuffy than Rolex ADs. I waited around 3 weeks for my 26240OR from AP and hoping to add to my collection of AP watches in the future. Been fortunate to pick up 4 Rolex watches over the past 14 months but definitely think AP feels more special to own
very interesting... why on the grey market do dealers have a trade price at retail price i.e. there is no premium in this watch at all. This implies no one wants it, or supply outstrips demand.
AMZWATCH is one of my favorite watch manufacturers they do offer beautifull dials, good workmanship & moovements.That smooth sweeping second hand is truly mesmerizing！
Been watching your videos for a while now and was inspired to start a collection. Started with the MAMACOO, its specs for price and clean looks, now am looking for a dress watch to add.
I for one am shocked a grey market dealer is making a video about how difficult it is to get watches at retail. It’s actually not bad - just got a Starbucks in a few months with no purchase history
Can’t beat gold polished Roman numerals that sparkle like jewels in the sunlight. Loving the sun ray dial man that pops!AMZWATCH watches. What a beautiful subtle piece.
So first hand experience, real story! I originally purchased my first AP at Westime when they were an AP AD i bought an offshore, with the promise of a RO. However a few months later AP decided to remove them and solely sell their watches from AP boutiques. I was forced to drive an hour to the closest boutique, so i came in and tried to explain my purchase history and honestly they didn’t give a crap. I was upset about it and tried to speak to the manager seemed like it made it worse lol i was called by a regional allocator won’t say his name and he interviewed me over the phone for about 45 min. It was almost a job interview intensity. I remember him asking what watches were in my collection? Where do i see myself in the next 5/10 years. How do you make a living etc…. After the interview he said be patient. So i still showed up to the AD a few times i really wanted a Rose Royal Oak on a bracelet! After a 8 months or so Xmas time they called me to the boutique. Offered me a Rose RO on a strap but i wanted it on a bracelet, salesperson tried to sell me the bracelet seperate (conversion) But the watch ref would be a strap i kindly declined and said i want it factory bracelet please…. I didn’t get called for almost 3 years i had given up on them. I figured maybe since i declined a watch they just black listed me whatever….Out of the blue the sales assoc called and said hey we didn’t forget..And finally got my gold RO on a bracelet. 100% they look you up they see what your about it’s their brand and it’s key for them to have the proper person wearing their product. It’s not an openworked or jumbo however i’ve never seen anyone wearing my watch and i appreciate that. When i wear my Rolex i will see 15 people or so wearing my or similar watches But the AP i still haven’t seen one person wearing a Rose RO on a bracelet and i appreciate that 😅 sorry for the rant
Thanks for the video. I went through 3 different AP House in Tokyo, Singapore and Hong Kong to see if it is possible to express my interest, build a relationship and buy AP C11.59 or ROO. It is tough to get a timepiece but the experience is awesome including the education on AP history and their models. Hope to land an AP timepiece one day.
AP is the finest in entire swiss its finishing or level very hard any other brand to reach even I found Patek Philippe not as good finished as AP but I feel bad their range is very limited or no much versions
I’m interested in an AP but I’ve not had great experiences when going for Rolex’s from ADs. I find they act quite condescending towards me as I’m only 21. I’ve had one dealer basically tell me I can’t afford it which I found was extremely rude. I assume AP will be similar but even worse
Always know that when you’re walking into a boutique you’re more successful than any of their sales associates. Be proud of your amazing achievement to be able to afford one at 21!
@@Colonel.B.Sandersyea right, the audacity of these retail sales merchants to be judging anyone who can afford a 10-20-30 grand watch is beyond obscure.
AP has one big problem.. they increased the list prices in the last 5 years like no one. Without a real justification… same very small movements compared to the size, not much innovation and irritating + 2many „limited“ editions. Men Steel watch for starting from 25k$ is just a bad joke. 30k for the Chrono…
For what it's worth, I didn't feel it was overly complicated here in Texas. I went in, was polite, got a wonderful education, and then stayed in touch. I showed my AD I could clearly afford the watch and what my game plan was. He was communicative and eventually after about a year or so (stopping by 3-4 times along the way) I got the call to get my first AP Offshore. Hope to get a Royal Oak next which I think is in the cards. I love my Offshore!
Gotta had in to AP they sell you a bunch of watches you didn't really want in the hopes of buying the watch you actually want and make you think that they're doing you a favor.
I have the 26331OR chocolate dial & the 15400OR but I’m still waiting on a steel blue or green chronograph Royal Oak after 2 years. Don’t know if you are aware but AP House London is moving from new bond st. to a new site with a rooftop terrace in the very near future.
I've lived in Hong Kong for over thirty years, and in 2016, decided to buy an AP, RO, OS QEII Cup Chronograph Limited Edition in Rose Gold and Forged Carbon, and so, one morning just walked into the AP Headquarters in Central .... They had only one of the watches I so longed for .... So to cut a long story short, walked out of the shop 30 minutes later; one million Hong Kong dollars less than I had earlier .... On reflection .... Still a beautiful watch .... The finish and workmanship are second to none .... Accurate to two seconds a day .... And now my wife has broken her bank and has recently bought her own AP so it's all together for us both .... Cheers ....
You are spending a life saving on a piece of crap metal which you cant sell immediately?good life hoice there, could have used the money for house installments or investment
@@profitmuhammeda lot of RO models you literally can flip for 3-4x their MSRP once its your Yes it will hurt your AD relationship when they see it registered under someone else. But the value is always there the RO 15400OR i’ve had has gone up 30k more since purchase
@@profitmuhammed 16202XT msrp 100k at peak traded 500-600k still trades 300-400k, FP journe elegante 14k MSRP depending which 35-60k, Various Nautilus references, etc
This inspired me to go on-line and write them a paragraph. Let’s just say I hope the person reading it wasn’t easily offended. Let’s just say it explained why Casio watches were better in every way
I went to Harrods about 18 months back. All very nice and cosy. Registered for a gold Royal Oak, black face leather strap. Can’t remember the 50 odd digit model number. Heard nothing since. If I get the call, great. If I don’t, great… 😊
I visited AP boutique in Las Vegas in Q1 2024. No appointment. They didn’t want to let me in. Eventually they did. They made it clear I’d need to develop a relationship over 7 to 10 visits over years before I’d be potentially eligible to buy a watch. Get real. I’ll never buy an AP from an AD. Bunch of snots.
So sick of sucking up to the these certain watch companies AP,Rolex,Patek I’m spending my hard earned money and want what I want when I want it so many other great watch brands that I can actually walk in and buy a beautiful watch without having to suck up to the sales person and telling me sorry we don’t have anything but you can put your name on the list and we’ll call you when we get one in of which they rarely due. Thousands of other great brands people wake up IWC,Cartier,Breitling,Omega, Christopher Ward, Panerai and Tag Huer and on and on. Case Closed.
How times have changed in 1999 I bought my first AP a Chronograph, 39mm dark gray dial, it's on my wrist now. I bought the AP from a prominent certified AP dealer in Greenwich Conn. I got a 30% discount at the time and yes it was a new watch. When AP and so many other watch brands starting opening their own boutiques they lost their dealership. The same thing happened to my Rolex dealer in NJ after she had spent $400,000.00 to modify her store to Rolex's specifications, these companies are ruthless to the point I simply don't buy anything.
The main reason it’s impossible for me to get it is it’s an ugly overpriced piece of steel and I am uninterested 😀😀😀they would be lucky to get my money not the other way around. Respect yourself!
The UK is the worst country to buy an AP. Just go overseas or buy it for a premium if you really want it. If you’re buying an AP paying more than retail shouldn’t be a problem for you unless it’s 3 times retail which is rare.
Basically to ego stroke, for snobs and insecure folks Its for all luxury brands. Paying 500 for a normal hoodie with a lV or chrome logo on it still blows my mind. At least watches hold their values
I went through the whole vetting process I was told I had to start somewhere and to get an offshore first. When the call came I said nope I’m not buying a watch I don’t like and will take a 5K hit on. Since then I’ve been ignored. Fml 🤦🏻♂️
But you will always know and say to yourself in the back of your mind that you're wearing a fake watch. You're an imposter, a fraud. Seeking recognition from a prestigious brand that you haven't earned the right to represent (which is why you wear a fake)
Are you talking about the moral standards of same AP who did a made to order 25 limited edition perpetual calendars for Anant Ambani not necessarily because he's such an enthusiast but merely because he's rich and is having a lavish wedding!
Great video, I appreciate the effort put to create it. However I do disagree with AP (Rolex, Vacheron, Patek) policy that is full of shit, as they do not do any vetting as if they were do that there would be no more flippers, just passionate buyers that “meet” the brands image, but my educated guess is that dealers are hand and hand with their friends /family/ grey market who they allocate the watches and they split the profit. Their policy simply adds a middle men and creates/maintains this hype and is a buyers are being incredibly stupid to fall for it (I already purchased overpriced watches from grey market :) )
Stunning watches, but the luxury brand approval experience is contrived AF. It’s for people who are a little plastic in substance. I’d rather a normal transaction and buy grey market.
There are two problems with the APRO: 1. It is almost too iconic, and as a result most of the ones you see around are counterfeit. This takes away from aspirability, ownership status or watch snobbery that watch people enjoy. It is very common in any place where legitimately wealthy people or poseurs gather. 2. The watch is so popular that it will eventually go out of fashion, which will kill resale values and deeply wound the AP brand (which is too reliant on one model line). 15-20 years ago, wearing an APRO was pretty cool, especially the non Offshore versions. Now, it almost feels gauche. It’s not a watch that commands as much respect among watch people anymore. Any overly tattooed Instagram clown or his Russian girlfriend wears one now (real or fake).
AP Rolex prices have dropped 40 percent god forbid there’s a downturn in the economy look out AP and Rolex they’ll be calling you soon enough Buyer beware!!!
Sounds like AP are absolute Pss takers. Made me not want to even attempt to buy one after watching this video. And the thing about “I would do the same” about AP vetting customers is a load of waffle. Someone wants to buy your product and they have the money to do it. The customer doesn’t need to kiss your ass for you to sell them it. Proof of this is the fact you can literally buy an AP on the grey market, they can’t control any of that. Total bollocks, anyway … thanks for the info 😂
AP sales associates are snakes. They will try to get you to Zelle 5k to them personally and after doing that several times and making you buy 3 watches to get one RO they can and will decide to just cut you off. It completely turned me off the brand as a whole.
It is hard enough for me to visit the AP house when I need to send my watch in for service. I lose my patience after waiting for the person in a lab coat to do the pre-service check. I will not buy from them again. I can buy my own champagne. I posit that only flippers are incentivized enough to go through this buying process. Wealthy end users do not have time for this.
Phil, you’re being very disingenuous. On one hand you’re advising people to be “kind, honest, inquisitive,polite “ when going to a Rolex or AP AD. Yet, you’re the one who fraudulently and deliberately dishonestly claimed to be a doctor when buying a Rolex from an AD !! Disgusting behaviour.
You can have an educational qualification that has a doctorate which makes you a doctor. Not necessarily in a medical field. As the sales staff are projecting a friendly image as they pry into all aspects of your background they aren't exactly being open about their motives although their motives are obvious, so if you describe yourself as a doctor because you have a doctorate in engineering you are being just as honest as they are. As long as you are calm and friendly as you respond to their impertinent questions then it's all good.
@@philjones352 So what was your PhD in ? Presumably you are saying that you were not lying when you told them that you were a doctor? I'm a doctor in medicine - so whether you were pretending to be my type of doctor - or any other type of doctor, that is immoral and dishonest.
@@JohnnyL20 No bud. Not everyone lives in your country, or has to conform to your personal interpretation of what a doctor is. You're assuming I told a dealer was a doctor, try reading the actual words I used. Have a good one.
I been buying AP for years back when they had AD’s… The resale was always shit. Lost money on every AP I ever owned. Now they expect us to Sniff their arrogant holes and waste time for multiple visits? Let’s see just how long this model lasts… anytime I have visited the boutique in Miami when in the area the staff is so arrogant it makes me sick… They still need to sell pieces to stay in business now more than ever with more corporate boutiques to support. If I really wanted a certain model, I would just go gray instead of playing this stupid game trying to make friends. Who has the time for that shit over a watch?
Hey I living in the NYC tristate area and I visited the House of AP in meat packing district. Everything you said in this video is pretty much dead on.
I visited AP 4 or 5 times over the course of two years no watch then finally after 2.5 years. I got the call for a 15510 then to approximately 11 months later I got the 26240 blue chronograph. Patience is the key and being polite.
Sounds like a drag
Neo, you are a slave.
this is just stupid when you can buy watch immediately other ways...
@@jindrichk5432for a premium 😢
@@jindrichk5432 Depends how much you value the buying experience.
l am a private person, had an appointment in the UK at AP, pleasant but uncomfortable encounter, Ended up going to an Arab country, Great service & prices, Walked away with 3 Royal Oaks, Job done,,,,,,
lol what a tool. i got 16 in London
Protect the brand? I see brand new royal oaks flooding the grey market every day.... It is such a shame that real watch enthusiasts have been priced and depopularised out this experience.
Well said. I wonder the same thing. How the heck the gray market dealers get the watches.
@@sachiythfakes
Can't agree with you more
@@sachiyth Inside trading. Rich gets richer they have their ways for mutual benefits with the dealers.
@@sachiyth How? It's pretty simple. I can move watches on C24 or any other platform. Why would a Rolex AD sell to you at retail when they can sell to me at retail plus the $2,000 cash I'm going to put in his hand in the car park after? Privacy laws means the AD legally can't give Rolex my contact info.
Ta
I walked in AP AD, in Atlanta in Lenox. No need for appointment. Was a pleasant experience. Tried a few on.
The vetting process seems like some serious police work. Such a lovely way to start a relationship.
I’ve been reading so many comments about Audemars Piguet Boutiques and their vetting process. I went into one of them in London today and can honestly say how shocked I was at the absolutely amazing service. The sales guy couldn’t have been more helpful. I mentioned the 39mm Royal Oak in Stainless Steel and was told the chances of that as my first purchase was highly unlikely but was more than happy to register my interest in a 41mm Royal Oak and a 38mm Royal Oak Chronograph. I also got to try on both of them and was extremely impressed. Fingers crossed that in a year or two I might get the call.
0.0% chance buddy
@@markov3043 Why do you say that ?
@@Madeinlondon67the wait list is fake. I suggest u purchase a less popular model like a code or ROO to build purchase history. I got my ROO first and RO 6 months later.
@@JohnAndJaneDoe65 I’m not interested in buying something that I don’t want. I did exactly the same when registering my interest in a Rolex GMT Batman in 2021 when I was told the same thing but refused. I collected my watch on Saturday 26th October and had No previous spend history with that AD.
Last time I checked, this vetting process was called discrimination.
Long live the grey market, in this case, "f" the boutique experience!
So says someone who would almost certainly fall before the first hurdle was even in sight. You poor fragile little flower, you.
@@David-yd6ur It's a mindset thing, you don't get it but it's ok: I can wait for a Ulysse Nardin, A' Lange und Sohne, F.P' Journe and the likes because they take a long time to make. For a Rolex or an AP? Hell no! If you don't want my money, I'll spend it with someone who is more respectful and grateful for it.
@@galenmarek6949 As is your prerogative. I accept the way it is and I have the patience and wherewithal to get what I want.
@@galenmarek6949j'ai bien lu votre commentaire ???? Ulysse Nardin au milieu de FP Journe et L and S ???? 😂😂😂😂😂 j'ai craché mon café sur le bureau en vous lisant .... Monsieur Monsieur Monsieur cessez votre baratin ... ne tentez pas de glisser le modèle que vous devez avoir au poignet pour faire de la pub s'il vous plaît 😂😂😂😂 Ulysse Nardin 😂😂😂😂 je n'arrête pas de rire .. Ulysse Nardin c'est Hublot ... AP / PP puis derrière Rolex fin de l'histoire ce n'est ni moi ni vous qui décidez c'est le marché tel qu'il est fait depuis 50 ans
Great video. Just had my first appointment 2 weeks ago. My rep has been going back and forth with me on Text a bit so I have no idea if I’m someone they would consider selling a watch to, either way I’d expect it to take it a years. I’ve heard about this 4 times thing online. I’ve gone in 2x. I was able to stop in the first time and then set up an actual formal appointment for my 2nd time. Both times the rep Ive been dealing with has been really lovely. Definitely was an in depth conversation both times. During my 1st visit we just talked watches for 45 mins. My 2nd visit we really talked about the brand and what I was interested in. My preference is the 37mm date or the 38mm Chrono. Both I imagine will be almost impossible to get.
Did you get a watch? Did you have to offer to give the sales rep a BJ?
Funny thing about this whole "vetting process" is that their target audience actually values time above everything else. "I'll send my assitant to jump through all of these fiery hoops, is that ok for you?"
Ha! Good point. Although this does of course demonstrate further how serious the potential buyer is.
Laughable that they have a 'vetting process' when they choose to be associated with the likes of Dave and Stormzy😄😄
What's wrong with Dave or stormzy? They are tax paying citizens of the UK that live in London near the ADs selling the watches and can afford the watches not sure why they would be excluded from an opportunity to purchase them
They’re classless roadmen
@@dean9090 unsure what that has to do with buying an audemars from the AD I see chavs buying watches all the time I didn't know social class was a requirement to spend money at a retailer
@@dean9090 what a racist
What a load of bullshit
Why did the price crash by 70% in 2 years if "they are so hard to get"? Some market manipulation seems to be afoot...
Because once people have woken up they realise that they are a) ugly and (whilst that is subjective) b) they are extremely uncomfortable. There is a point c) as well - If you have a wrist the size of a fully grown man, the strap will be too small.
How much had the values climbed before the aforementioned fall?
Example "Jumbo" 15202ST: Price 2016 21,8k; 2019 43k; 2022 109k; today ~ 56k. So yeah, if you bought it before the hype you are fine.
@@meltdown6165 Thanks. It was rhetorical to make a point.
Went in a couple of times and got offered a RG code chrono right away, which was a model I was interested in anyway. Pulled the trigger on that and got offered an offshore 6 months later which I also picked up, then a full ceramic RO. Granted I had purchased a steel RO grey market first and showed my passion through keeping in touch with the SAs and being knowledgeable and polite. Have been invited to some events since then, golf etc. and met some great friends through the AP network. I can see how it seems like a drag, but like most things if you put in the effort and time it pays off .. not just with watches but you also get put in touch with a whole new network of great people :)
Did you at least give the manager a BJ as a sign of respect and gratitude?
Not surprising they loved you because you bought the least popular code lol… codes are selling for half price in my country’s grey market
I received my first Royal Oak (stainless steel grey dial) the very first time I walked into an AP store back in June 2023, and I am not a celebrity.
Indeed your probability of getting a Royal Oak depends on how much you fit with the brand’s client target, but how famous you are isn’t their main criteria.
same here. got mine in 2022 black dial royal oak.
That’s actually gross. Great for you, but gross on a human level.
In a world where cyber security awareness is super important.. we are expected to pee away all sense of privacy for a watch
It hurts seeing the watches been place crown down. My watchmaker told me it’s fault no 1
Can you elaborate why it's bad?
Actually it’s the right way. On the crown it gets less scratched due to the surface what touches the table is smaller than when it’s placed on the other side. Otherwise it doesn’t make any other difference.
With a rolexits doesnt matter. They arent fragile.
These watches can survive being dropped they're not fragile.
It’s not impossible. I bought an offshore diver on a walk in from Geneva 18 months ago. I then bought a ladies Royal Oak 34mm six months later and just bought a 41mm Royal Oak in April. And the lady I deal with in London is lovely.
Did you at least give the lady a BJ as a sign of respect and gratitude?
I’ve found AP great to deal with and in some ways a lot less stuffy than Rolex ADs. I waited around 3 weeks for my 26240OR from AP and hoping to add to my collection of AP watches in the future. Been fortunate to pick up 4 Rolex watches over the past 14 months but definitely think AP feels more special to own
very interesting... why on the grey market do dealers have a trade price at retail price i.e. there is no premium in this watch at all. This implies no one wants it, or supply outstrips demand.
As always the most thoughtful , well researched & eloquent watch channel around , keep AMZWATCH coming !
I’m not sucking up to any company or person.
I bought a good as new Royal Oak second hand.
Yeah I don’t get that. If someone has cash why make them suck on your schlong and grovel? LOL dumb
AMZWATCH is one of my favorite watch manufacturers they do offer beautifull dials, good workmanship & moovements.That smooth sweeping second hand is truly mesmerizing！
Been watching your videos for a while now and was inspired to start a collection. Started with the MAMACOO, its specs for price and clean looks, now am looking for a dress watch to add.
I for one am shocked a grey market dealer is making a video about how difficult it is to get watches at retail. It’s actually not bad - just got a Starbucks in a few months with no purchase history
wut
@@roybatty6368 what are you not understanding here. Pretty simple concept 😂
Starbucks isn't a highly sought after watch
@@josephbarone239 ya, it only trades for $5k over retail. Moron
@@josephbarone239 lol now I know you’re trolling
Can’t beat gold polished Roman numerals that sparkle like jewels in the sunlight. Loving the sun ray dial man that pops!AMZWATCH watches. What a beautiful subtle piece.
So first hand experience, real story! I originally purchased my first AP at Westime when they were an AP AD i bought an offshore, with the promise of a RO. However a few months later AP decided to remove them and solely sell their watches from AP boutiques. I was forced to drive an hour to the closest boutique, so i came in and tried to explain my purchase history and honestly they didn’t give a crap. I was upset about it and tried to speak to the manager seemed like it made it worse lol i was called by a regional allocator won’t say his name and he interviewed me over the phone for about 45 min. It was almost a job interview intensity. I remember him asking what watches were in my collection? Where do i see myself in the next 5/10 years. How do you make a living etc…. After the interview he said be patient. So i still showed up to the AD a few times i really wanted a Rose Royal Oak on a bracelet! After a 8 months or so Xmas time they called me to the boutique. Offered me a Rose RO on a strap but i wanted it on a bracelet, salesperson tried to sell me the bracelet seperate (conversion) But the watch ref would be a strap i kindly declined and said i want it factory bracelet please…. I didn’t get called for almost 3 years i had given up on them. I figured maybe since i declined a watch they just black listed me whatever….Out of the blue the sales assoc called and said hey we didn’t forget..And finally got my gold RO on a bracelet. 100% they look you up they see what your about it’s their brand and it’s key for them to have the proper person wearing their product. It’s not an openworked or jumbo however i’ve never seen anyone wearing my watch and i appreciate that. When i wear my Rolex i will see 15 people or so wearing my or similar watches But the AP i still haven’t seen one person wearing a Rose RO on a bracelet and i appreciate that 😅 sorry for the rant
Thanks for the video. I went through 3 different AP House in Tokyo, Singapore and Hong Kong to see if it is possible to express my interest, build a relationship and buy AP C11.59 or ROO. It is tough to get a timepiece but the experience is awesome including the education on AP history and their models. Hope to land an AP timepiece one day.
AP is the finest in entire swiss its finishing or level very hard any other brand to reach even I found Patek Philippe not as good finished as AP but I feel bad their range is very limited or no much versions
It always amazes me how much beauty and precision are added to the parts of AMZWATCH's watch 99% of people will never see.
I’m interested in an AP but I’ve not had great experiences when going for Rolex’s from ADs. I find they act quite condescending towards me as I’m only 21. I’ve had one dealer basically tell me I can’t afford it which I found was extremely rude. I assume AP will be similar but even worse
Always know that when you’re walking into a boutique you’re more successful than any of their sales associates. Be proud of your amazing achievement to be able to afford one at 21!
@@Colonel.B.Sanders I appreciate that.
@@Colonel.B.Sandersyea right, the audacity of these retail sales merchants to be judging anyone who can afford a 10-20-30 grand watch is beyond obscure.
2 years after the bubble top and some Brands didn't learn a damn thing
AP has one big problem.. they increased the list prices in the last 5 years like no one. Without a real justification… same very small movements compared to the size, not much innovation and irritating + 2many „limited“ editions. Men Steel watch for starting from 25k$ is just a bad joke. 30k for the Chrono…
Prix boutique Ap RO 28.5k valeur sur second marché modèle 2024 50k ... merci
@@Peaceandlove-p2o that time is gone
For what it's worth, I didn't feel it was overly complicated here in Texas. I went in, was polite, got a wonderful education, and then stayed in touch. I showed my AD I could clearly afford the watch and what my game plan was. He was communicative and eventually after about a year or so (stopping by 3-4 times along the way) I got the call to get my first AP Offshore. Hope to get a Royal Oak next which I think is in the cards. I love my Offshore!
Gotta had in to AP they sell you a bunch of watches you didn't really want in the hopes of buying the watch you actually want and make you think that they're doing you a favor.
Outstanding video.I have to go with the AMZWATCH, especially with that green dial as my favorite
As always the most thoughtful , well researched & eloquent watch channel around , MAMACOO keep coming !
I have the 26331OR chocolate dial & the 15400OR but I’m still waiting on a steel blue or green chronograph Royal Oak after 2 years.
Don’t know if you are aware but AP House London is moving from new bond st. to a new site with a rooftop terrace in the very near future.
Basically the store manager was my neighbour and I got the watch one my first visit to AP
I've lived in Hong Kong for over thirty years, and in 2016, decided to buy an AP, RO, OS QEII Cup Chronograph Limited Edition in Rose Gold and Forged Carbon, and so, one morning just walked into the AP Headquarters in Central .... They had only one of the watches I so longed for .... So to cut a long story short, walked out of the shop 30 minutes later; one million Hong Kong dollars less than I had earlier .... On reflection .... Still a beautiful watch .... The finish and workmanship are second to none .... Accurate to two seconds a day .... And now my wife has broken her bank and has recently bought her own AP so it's all together for us both .... Cheers ....
You are spending a life saving on a piece of crap metal which you cant sell immediately?good life hoice there, could have used the money for house installments or investment
@@profitmuhammeda lot of RO models you literally can flip for 3-4x their MSRP once its your
Yes it will hurt your AD relationship when they see it registered under someone else. But the value is always there the RO 15400OR i’ve had has gone up 30k more since purchase
@@salty5096 give me example when you can flip watch 4x its original value?
@@profitmuhammed 16202XT msrp 100k at peak traded 500-600k still trades 300-400k, FP journe elegante 14k MSRP depending which 35-60k, Various Nautilus references, etc
How come they are selling on Amazon, if the sales are controlled
Lol you mean copies are on amazon not the real thing lol
Made an appointment at the Milan AP house while my wife and I were there and we walked out with two watches. They were very sweet and hospitable.
genuine question.... why did you place the watches crown down? (greatvideo otherwise)
Ever since I bought a watch from MAMACOO, My question is if it's this hard to tell them apart, what is the point of owning an authentic watch?
You have to buy a bunch of code and ladies watches
This inspired me to go on-line and write them a paragraph. Let’s just say I hope the person reading it wasn’t easily offended. Let’s just say it explained why Casio watches were better in every way
can you also post it here for AP owner entertainment? :D and I hope your main point wasn't that Casio is cheaper :D
I went to Harrods about 18 months back. All very nice and cosy. Registered for a gold Royal Oak, black face leather strap. Can’t remember the 50 odd digit model number. Heard nothing since. If I get the call, great. If I don’t, great… 😊
Outstanding video.I have to go with the MAMACOO, especially with that green dial as my favorite
I went into the main one without an appointment - got offered 3 watches on the same day after been there for an hour 🤷🏻♂️
@lamedonmcborough3255 Two offshores and a code 11.59
Code 11.59 precious metal
Yeah course you did…
Were they all the shit models no one wanted to buy?
I visited AP boutique in Las Vegas in Q1 2024. No appointment. They didn’t want to let me in. Eventually they did. They made it clear I’d need to develop a relationship over 7 to 10 visits over years before I’d be potentially eligible to buy a watch. Get real. I’ll never buy an AP from an AD. Bunch of snots.
But how do you build relationship without being able to buy a watch?
So go in and kiss their ass....then they will "allow" you to buy a watch? GTFOH with that BS! (the AD)
@@HenryLaw19891024you have to take the sales person out to dinner 😂
Buy a couple of Code 11.59 and a couple of offshores then maybe a plain Jane regular steel Royal Oak 41mm with white/grey/black dial.
@@HenryLaw19891024 you take them to dinner 🍲
So sick of sucking up to the these certain watch companies AP,Rolex,Patek
I’m spending my hard earned money and want what I want when I want it so many other great watch brands that I can actually walk in and buy a beautiful watch without having to suck up to the sales person and telling me sorry we don’t have anything but you can put your name on the list and we’ll call you when we get one in of which they rarely due. Thousands of other great brands people wake up
IWC,Cartier,Breitling,Omega, Christopher Ward, Panerai and Tag Huer and on and on. Case Closed.
Who are you? Why would they want you as a customer? People who whine aren't exactly their target market. They can sniff that out.
How times have changed in 1999 I bought my first AP a Chronograph, 39mm dark gray dial, it's on my wrist now. I bought the AP from a prominent certified AP dealer in Greenwich Conn. I got a 30% discount at the time and yes it was a new watch. When AP and so many other watch brands starting opening their own boutiques they lost their dealership. The same thing happened to my Rolex dealer in NJ after she had spent $400,000.00 to modify her store to Rolex's specifications, these companies are ruthless to the point I simply don't buy anything.
Crazy how all these watch brands were giving out discounts back then, I’ve heard similar about Rolex in the early 2000s.
@@remmymartinnn7092 Here's a dirty secret: Rolex ADs still give discounts, and they did throughout the pandemic. You just have to be in with them.
I can appreciate the time piece without being blinded by the scummy business practices...
Will never buy a watch with a vetting process. Can’t be asked………..
I believe you.
The waiting list is 3 years I'm sure they'll be alright without your money.
Can Drugdealers pass background check easily?
Yes. Jayz got one
@@jmatt98 😄😄😄
The watch Market is dead, gray market dealers are scrambling in the states to off load watches. It’s getting bad here.
It always amazes me how much beauty and precision are added to the parts of MaMaCoo 's watch 99% of people will never see.
Reward !? we pay for it man - its radicullous
Please spellcheck.
I went through the process recently let's see what happens, they asked me to regularly show interest in AP, not quite sure what is meant I do.
So, if you don’t have all those childish social media accounts, and cant trace you on Google, what then?
The main reason it’s impossible for me to get it is it’s an ugly overpriced piece of steel and I am uninterested 😀😀😀they would be lucky to get my money not the other way around. Respect yourself!
The UK is the worst country to buy an AP. Just go overseas or buy it for a premium if you really want it.
If you’re buying an AP paying more than retail shouldn’t be a problem for you unless it’s 3 times retail which is rare.
Went into New Bond Street in London, they were great and could have bought one on the day
A perfect example of managed scarcity as a marketing technique. I'm amazed anyone falls for this to be honest.
Basically to ego stroke, for snobs and insecure folks
Its for all luxury brands. Paying 500 for a normal hoodie with a lV or chrome logo on it still blows my mind. At least watches hold their values
You should create your own brand, build hype, and have them available for everyone. Great idea!
I’m just getting into the watch scene but this watch looks like a $20 Walmart watch I don’t get why it’s so expensive
I love your videos keep up the great work
I went through the whole vetting process I was told I had to start somewhere and to get an offshore first. When the call came I said nope I’m not buying a watch I don’t like and will take a 5K hit on. Since then I’ve been ignored. Fml 🤦🏻♂️
Buy a used one
Not worth the hassle at all. Not a big fan of the overhyped AP. Clasp construction is not the best imo and no micro adjustments in the bracelet.. 🥴
3:50 Great reason why I will never buy an AP. Even though the ceramic versions perpetual calender look cool
My super clone looks identical and is a fraction of the cost lol
But you will always know and say to yourself in the back of your mind that you're wearing a fake watch. You're an imposter, a fraud. Seeking recognition from a prestigious brand that you haven't earned the right to represent (which is why you wear a fake)
Fr I’m bout to cop it for 1300$
Love your channel with so many stellar watches! For me the AMZWATCH’ watch is my favorite. Keep the videos coming. Thanks.
Who puts up with this bs just to get a watch
Watch Goblins.
Watch gobblers more like
Beta men
My sentiments exactly.
Love AP, their watches are so beautiful
God!!! AMZWATCH Who would have thought those gorgeous watches go for that low!!!
Are you talking about the moral standards of same AP who did a made to order 25 limited edition perpetual calendars for Anant Ambani not necessarily because he's such an enthusiast but merely because he's rich and is having a lavish wedding!
Deserve? Deserve ain't got nothin to do with it.
this all seems quite silly imo
Great video, I appreciate the effort put to create it. However I do disagree with AP (Rolex, Vacheron, Patek) policy that is full of shit, as they do not do any vetting as if they were do that there would be no more flippers, just passionate buyers that “meet” the brands image, but my educated guess is that dealers are hand and hand with their friends /family/ grey market who they allocate the watches and they split the profit. Their policy simply adds a middle men and creates/maintains this hype and is a buyers are being incredibly stupid to fall for it (I already purchased overpriced watches from grey market :) )
I saw one sitting in the used section at my local watch store.
Stunning watches, but the luxury brand approval experience is contrived AF. It’s for people who are a little plastic in substance. I’d rather a normal transaction and buy grey market.
When it comes to fine imitation watches, amzwatch delivers. I've bought from them several times, and I've never been let down.
There are two problems with the APRO: 1. It is almost too iconic, and as a result most of the ones you see around are counterfeit. This takes away from aspirability, ownership status or watch snobbery that watch people enjoy. It is very common in any place where legitimately wealthy people or poseurs gather.
2. The watch is so popular that it will eventually go out of fashion, which will kill resale values and deeply wound the AP brand (which is too reliant on one model line).
15-20 years ago, wearing an APRO was pretty cool, especially the non Offshore versions. Now, it almost feels gauche. It’s not a watch that commands as much respect among watch people anymore. Any overly tattooed Instagram clown or his Russian girlfriend wears one now (real or fake).
The word "Impossible" gets thrown around way too often on Social Media.
Just as well I do not like AP at all. This is insane if it is true??
AP Rolex prices have dropped 40 percent god forbid there’s a downturn in the economy look out AP and Rolex they’ll be calling you soon enough
Buyer beware!!!
What you just explained around @7:30 to @8:00 is called Antitrust
That’s why replica over original. You can say whatever you want but are just excuses, if I want something I should be able to have it if I pay.
3 AP's resting on the crown - hurts my heart.
Sounds like AP are absolute Pss takers. Made me not want to even attempt to buy one after watching this video. And the thing about “I would do the same” about AP vetting customers is a load of waffle. Someone wants to buy your product and they have the money to do it. The customer doesn’t need to kiss your ass for you to sell them it. Proof of this is the fact you can literally buy an AP on the grey market, they can’t control any of that. Total bollocks, anyway … thanks for the info 😂
When the economy tanks they open the doors and discount there product significantly.
AP sales associates are snakes. They will try to get you to Zelle 5k to them personally and after doing that several times and making you buy 3 watches to get one RO they can and will decide to just cut you off. It completely turned me off the brand as a whole.
Fourth dimension is so expensive and in demand and difficult to get imagine the 5th 6th etc❤❤
So, AP will judge a book by its cover and will not sell you a watch if you don’t fit their image of an ideal owner.
It aint anymore bro.
The muppet boiler room secondary grey luxury watch market is dead
It is hard enough for me to visit the AP house when I need to send my watch in for service. I lose my patience after waiting for the person in a lab coat to do the pre-service check. I will not buy from them again. I can buy my own champagne. I posit that only flippers are incentivized enough to go through this buying process. Wealthy end users do not have time for this.
Phil, you’re being very disingenuous. On one hand you’re advising people to be “kind, honest, inquisitive,polite “ when going to a Rolex or AP AD. Yet, you’re the one who fraudulently and deliberately dishonestly claimed to be a doctor when buying a Rolex from an AD !! Disgusting behaviour.
No, it's not. You gotta do what you gotta do. If ADs are playing dirty tell them whatever you have to
You can have an educational qualification that has a doctorate which makes you a doctor. Not necessarily in a medical field. As the sales staff are projecting a friendly image as they pry into all aspects of your background they aren't exactly being open about their motives although their motives are obvious, so if you describe yourself as a doctor because you have a doctorate in engineering you are being just as honest as they are. As long as you are calm and friendly as you respond to their impertinent questions then it's all good.
@@philjones352 So what was your PhD in ? Presumably you are saying that you were not lying when you told them that you were a doctor? I'm a doctor in medicine - so whether you were pretending to be my type of doctor - or any other type of doctor, that is immoral and dishonest.
@@JohnnyL20 No bud. Not everyone lives in your country, or has to conform to your personal interpretation of what a doctor is.
You're assuming I told a dealer was a doctor, try reading the actual words I used. Have a good one.
I been buying AP for years back when they had AD’s… The resale was always shit. Lost money on every AP I ever owned. Now they expect us to Sniff their arrogant holes and waste time for multiple visits? Let’s see just how long this model lasts… anytime I have visited the boutique in Miami when in the area the staff is so arrogant it makes me sick… They still need to sell pieces to stay in business now more than ever with more corporate boutiques to support. If I really wanted a certain model, I would just go gray instead of playing this stupid game trying to make friends. Who has the time for that shit over a watch?
So why do so many z list celebs own one? Chavvy footballers, rappers….not doing a very good job of vetting in my opinion.
Just go up in there after you’ve booked your appointment and tell them that ArchieLuxury taught you everything you know about luxury timepieces.
Hey
I living in the NYC tristate area and I visited the House of AP in meat packing district. Everything you said in this video is pretty much dead on.
Buy pagani homage watch instead. Looks as good and costs 99.99% less.
Screening my ass I got my AP while wearing crocs and in the same time. they flooded the market with royal oaks
it for design