I do like how someone describing comics can just casually say "her mother got so angry she opened a portal to a dream dimension and decided to stay there" and then just move on.
All great casting choices, but there's a big issue with the Bishop casting. Bishop isn't just an Australian dude, he's specifically Indigenous Australian/First Australian. He's Black, but not of African descent. Trevante is a fantastic actor but casting him is as inappropriate as casting a non-Jewish actor for Kate Pryde. Especially since First Australian actors are frequently marginalized and ignored within and out of Australia. I'd suggest a First Australian actor like Baykali Ganambarr. He has the age, experience, and build you're looking for, without the unfortunate "Black people are interchangeable" implications.
Personally I’d love to see someone like Rob Collins or Mark Coles Smith, but otherwise I’m with you. Citing Eka Darville being African-Australian as making him qualified isn’t the same as casting an actual First Nations actor
Yeah as an indigenous Australian myself It was kinda disheartening to hear Nando just pass off indigenous Australians as "a black dude" indigenous Australians aren't black and for Nando to care so much about other nationalities and religions and then to throw that out kinda bothered me.
@@MistuhJaysGamingOf course, Bishop has never that I'm aware of been *drawn* as Indigenous Australian, so I was surprised too. It would be cool to have that sort of representation, especially for people who aren't aware of the difference.
@MistuhJaysGaming Luckily, it's just acting, not representation. Caring THAT much about the background of someone pretending to be another person is pretty ridiculous
@@23heltar it's not so much about casting in an actual movie as it is Nando's attitude towards every other culture and race and then to be so dismissive of Indigenous Australians as just another black guy
One of my favorite things about Jubilee was always that she lost her powers in the No More Mutants/Decimation arc, only to continue being a superhero by using technology as Wondra. It showed a side of her that would want to be a hero, even if not for her mutant power being forced on her.
This may be the group of X-Men that I REALLY hope the MCU gets right. The previous ones were handled relatively well and kept pretty accurate in the Fox series, but THESE characters were either heavily changed or severely underutilized.
I disagree, even the previous ones were pretty inaccurate aside from Professor X and Wolverine. I'd even argue that it was basically the whole franchise of Fox x men was just the Wolverine movies. Almost everyone else was kicked to the backround. I mean they barely used Cyclops, the poster boy of the x-men.
@@lightknight6749 I felt like the casting decisions were decent for the most part (besides Rogue and Storm), but yeah they dropped the ball on their characterization.
It'd be okay to have an older Rogue and Gambit. They could be like those 30 year old camp counselors who the kids know are jumping each other's bones when out of sight.
i think not casting bishop as an indigenous australian is a huge missed opportunity for both diversity, and to further stand out as a member of the cast. it’s too bad that most comic writers and artists seem to ignore a very important part of his heritage
While I do like the actors you've got for bishop, it'd be great if he was played by an actual indigenous australian, two actors I know who could do it is Aaron Pederson (although he's not super tall or built he can certainly play the cop role well and is still reasonably built) or Jimi Bani (recently played Koiki Eddie Mabo and is definitely built for the part)
Big agree. As someone who only really read X-men comics Messiah Complex onwards, I didn't even realize he was indigenous Australian because of how he's been portrayed in the 90s cartoon/movie. Would be huge to get an indigenous actor in. Aaron Fa'aoso?
@@azimzain9064 Yeah I had no idea myself until this video, he's been portrayed as more of african-american than indigenous australian. I haven't seen any of Aaron Fa'aoso's stuff but he certainly looks the part. Edit: spelling
Suggesting a half African half Aborigine character be played by a guy who is more white than he is aborigine to a now seemingly very racist or atleast racially dismissive youtuber who spent the entire runtime of Bishops character breakdown crapping on a character with over 30 yrs of history is insane As for jimi even though he isn't half African he'dve been perfect.. THIRTY years ago, not now
Bishop is Indigenous Australian (one of the oldest living cultures in the world), these peoples are already very underrepresented I think it would be disrespectful to not give an indigenous actor a shot at the role.
Jimi Bani is an indigenous Australian actor who could be Bishop, as are Aaron Fa'aoso, Mark Coles Smith , and Thibul Nettle . Its absolutely hypocritical how you went out of your way to find an actress you like for Kitty but rejected simply because she wasn't Ashkenazi Jewish, but you had no issue doing the same with Bishop who you yourself described as Aboriginal Australian.
Being indigenous Australian was a retcon to bishop and isn't important to bishop's character like kitty being jewish. He was intended to just be a black future American
I like your suggestions, however I feel obligated to say that Bishop should be played by an Indigenous Australian, especially as they are so underrepresented in media. ATSI people are indigenous to Australia and casting Bishop as with someone of African descent just feels disrespectful. Baykali Ganambarr, Sean Mununggurr or even Rob Collins could be better picks.
To be fair…his background is muddy…he was supposed to be Filipino…I’m not against bishop being aboriginee …however your being rude by just demanding it’s disrespectful not to make him aboriginee when his creator wanted him to be Filipino…
@@ThunderKat2012 the aeta are indigenous people of the Philippines that have ancestral ties to australian aboriginals. although they are extremely unrepresented in filipino media as the mainstream favors mixed/light-skinned filipinos rather than those with indigenous features. casting an aboriginal australian would at least be closer to his character than casting an african american. unless they get out of their way to find an aeta actor that would fit his role to which i don't know any. i blame the philippine showbiz industry for this
@@ThunderKat2012 Indigenous, First Nations or Aboriginal are all correct. Aborigine has not great colonial history and is not appropriate to use anymore.
I really hope they do Gambit well. He can be brokenly powerful if written properly, but his personality and backstory are also interesting. I would love to see New Sun Gambit, but I doubt we'd see that in the MCU.
Same. I think he could be introduce in the second film, adapting Mutant Massacre, with Mr Sinister and the Marauders as the villains. Gambit could start as part of the group and is trick by the villain to lead them to the Morlock hideout. However, after meeting the X-men and Rogue, he realize his mistakes and joins the heroes, with Rogue falling in love with him because they are both villain trying to redeem themselves from their past (obs: I think MCU rogue should have the whole journey from villain to hero).
Haley Lu Richardson as Rogue would 1000% get me on board, I absolutely adore her in Five Feet Apart and her real-life personality seems perfect for Rogue! I can’t believe I didn’t think of her before now
Fun fact: Rogue's name in portuguese is "Vampira', meaning "female vampire" or "vampiress" and I always thought it fit better than Rogue. Any x-man could be called "rogue". Blue devil infiltrator? Rogue. Clawed wild man assassin? Rogue. Psychic superbeing that is constantly turning into a villain when possesed by a space-bird? Rogue. But "Vampiress" is something only she can be.
Kitty and Rogue is another group of those that have to be done correctly when appearing in the MCU.. They left alot to be desired in the fox films. Both of them are wildly competent and great substitute leaders when given the chance..
After watching Moon Knight, I'm convinced that the late Gaspard Ulliel would have been a perfect Gambit. The charisma, looks, and physicality was on point.
Only one I'd change is Psylocke. Sonoya Mizuno would be perfect. She's British Japanese and was fantastic in Devs Captain Carter being a Captain Britain variant in the Captain Corps would be great too. Even throw in Union Jack and CB1 in there. So you could have Brians, Peggys, Betsys and James' all as CBs.
But Psylocke is not British Japanese, she’s british OR japanese, depending on which Psylocke you’re referring to. I agree that they will probably simplify their history, make Betsy and Brian british-asian, but if we’re following Nando’s idea to cast Kwannon and Betsy as different people, making Kwannon british-japanese would be pretty whitewashey.
@@Melkac Even if you really wanted someone like Henry Cavill as Brian, couldn't you just make them be half-siblings instead of twins? How important is it to have them as twins? I'd say do something like Cavill and Mizuno as the Braddocks and then potentially later cast a fully Japanese woman as Kwannon as a sort of legacy Psylocke character after Mizuno would either leave the MCU or become Captain Britain. With how much Betsy's public perception owes to the katana wielding Japanese body look I'm not fully comfortable with having a fully white Betsy.
@@Melkac honestly i could see the mcu ditching psylocke's convoluted history and basically making her into a new character who is british and japanese. that would probably mean she is no longer captain britain's twin but i would honestly prefer that to the absolute shitstorm that is her comic backstory. i dont think mainstream audiences would dig the whole asian body swap/two characters thing, its pretty cringe
When you started listing the requirements for Gambit, Austin Butler immediately jumped in my head. I’m glad he was a runner up for you, but he’s my winner.
If they make Psylocke specifically Japanese (as in cast a Japanese actress) I would be so happy because we haven’t gotten any Japanese representation other than the legendary…. Japanese Spiderman 😆 (Shang Chi is Chinese Descent, Gilgamesh actor is Korean) If they don’t I would be pretty disappointed…
"Kate Pryde is jewish and should be played by a jewish person" "Bishop is of aboriginal decent but lets cast an american. Both are black, who will notice" "Kwannon is japanese. Why not go with a korean tho!" Dude just gave me an hour long whiplash.
This bothered me too. How are you so finicky with religion, but then say "Jubilee I guess should be Asian" when the character is specifically Chinese-American, and say "Bishop can be just any black guy" when he is specifically Aboriginal. And with Kwannon, the race of the character is pretty important since it is directly tied into her back story, but eh let's just find someone who's Asian. Be consistent or just forget about it man lol
@@davajita Unusually problematic of him yes. Lost a fair amount of respect for him after this. Maybe its just a "editing mistake" since he usually more sensitive about this sort of stuff.
He's normally better about this kind of thing He mightve just already had these actors in mind and was blind to his bias, hopefully he does better in the future
I'm completely with you in regard to the Bishop casting, but to be fair, he only suggested a single korean actress for Kwannon amidst 3 or 4 other suggestions that were all japanese or of japanese descent, and his top pick was also japanese.
I would love if The Marvels post credit scene is Rogue kissing her boyfriend and killing him, would be a perfect tease af the end of a captain marvel movie
The casting part of these videos is always great, but I'm also really appreciating the concise breakdown of each character's history/backstory. I never read the comics, so it's nice to get some extra info/clarity on characters that I experienced mostly through video games, tv shows, movies, etc.
Disappointed that the actors listed for Bishop were all non Aboriginal actors, it would great to see that representation on the big screen, as First Nations Australians are not interchangeable with African American or someone like Eka Darville, who is Australian but with Jamaican heritage not Australian. Would personally recommend Mark Coles Smith as my pick
I think it's reasonable to expand Kwannon casting to 'countries that were colonised by Japan in the periods that Marvel's ninja plots cover'. This gives us a somewhat wider range: Japan, Korea, Taiwan (Hoklo, Formosan, Hakka) and Karafuto/Sakhalin (Ainu) - while still staying true to the character's roots.
The whole finding someone in the right age range now kinda of falls apart when you consider that none of these characters would show up till the third or forth x men movie if they handled the roster like you’ve described.
As a Mississippian, Rogue and Gambit will always be my favorite X-Men. I would love it SO MUCH if they would start with these two as the romantic focus instead of Jean Grey and Scott again.
@@marlonclark1896 the south is under served with super heroes. I mean, who do we really have that people know? Gambit, Rogue, and Sam Wilson? I'm sure there are lesser known and parody like Leatherhead and Shadow man. It's just so rare that we get a character like PREACHER or rogue with depth
All I gathered from all that Betsy problem is that Betsy's consciousness is the most persevering entity in Marvel, just can't die and revives itself when absorbed by someone else
Obviously nowhere near finished with this video yet but these are legitimately my favorite videos on the entirety of UA-cam right now. The amount of time, effort, and thought put into each one is *chef's kiss* Although Taron Egerton should be Wolverine
@@biguy617 I mean most British actors can do an American accent. It's not like Wolverine has a specific accent to him as he has traveled all over the globe in his life.
I’d love to see another (maybe brief) episode of this that’s just a bunch of oddball X-men you’d love to see included at some point, even just as background characters. X-men like Mercury, glob Herman, Mercury, Maggot, or mercury. Personally I’d love to see Mercury, she’s got fun powers.
Not sure if you're on Nebula, but there he's done the Mojoverse, Wolverine's clones and Excalibur. When he does his X-Factor video, he'll probably do another Nebula exclusive with even more fringe characters
as someone who was introduced to most of the marvel cast via the super hero squad mmo game, gambit was my favorite based on design and he had a mini game i remember liking.
I feel like there was a missed opportunity in calling this group the Uncanny X-Men since that is the iconic title for them, granted all the other X-Men you cast before helped make it iconic too. It's when most of these members shined. But other than that, great choices! Love your vids!
Anna Paquin’s Rogue is more similar to her portrayal in “X-Men: Evolution”, where she was a teenage goth girl (which came out right before the 2000 film). Both are valid, but I feel like the MCU’s should be more like the 90’s series. Edit: I love Evolution btw, it’s probably my personal favorite of the X-Men animated portrayals, but the 90’s version has some of the most definitive versions of many of the characters. I hope the MCU combines the best aspects of both!
If I’m not mistaken, the movie came out in the summer of 2000 and the show debuted that fall. I’m guessing they intentionally patterned the animated version after the live action portrayal.
Not quite. Despite not having Carol powers, Evolution Rogue was still confident, she was sarcastic and had other arcs besides her inability to touch people, including her journey from member of the brotherhood to join x-men and dealing with the revelation that Mystique was her adoptive mother.
Ok, so what I'm seeing here is that Nando's got three entire X-men movies already cast, and frankly? I'm here for it. That, or three concurrent simultaneous X-teams. That's dope.
Lana Condor should still play Jubilee in my opinion. She’s still a young looking lady that can pass for a teenager in my opinion. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
lana has spoken out that she is done playing teenager/high school roles and is ready to move on. unless Jubilee is aged up, she probably wouldn't agree to the role
"As close to Euphoria has to a villain," is an understatement. Nate Jacobs might be the single least likable character I've ever seen on television. Elordi is great in the role.
Daisy Edgar-Jones is a slam dunk for Rogue. She hit all of these beats perfectly on Under the Banner of Heaven, and I assume she has a southern accent in Where the Crawdads Sing. Plus she seems to be on the cusp of superstardom, just like JLaw in First Class.
I think this is your most solid casting YET! I’m down with everyone of them! Shadowcat: You went with Maude Apatow… if you wanted to go younger, her sister Iris Apatow could also really work! Jubilee: LOVE your pick. She’s great I love Psylocke! & yes, I grew up in the 90/00 so art from Jim Lee, joe Madureira, THAT swimsuit special & layer on Salvador Larroca! + she was a 🇬🇧 X-Men (technical) Lilly James is AMAZING! When you put her for Rogue I was like “ok, but what about Betsy” & then you did! (Is Henry Cavill your Brian?….)
Honestly the face shot of the two runners up for Gambit I look at them and I see Gambit. Although I know or barely know any of the actors you said for Gambit besides Channing Tatum, who I agree isn’t a great pick for Gambit.
50:12 If I may add to this, Eka Darville also played a Red Ranger named Scott Truman in Power Rangers RPM, which is a series set in a dystopia dimension where an evil robot virus has taken over and nearly killed off humanity Just replace Venjix with Sentinels and add some time travel to the story, you got a potential Bishop plot
I would love to see you do a DC casting vid (if you haven't already) where you cast Darkseid and begin a segment about Darkseid with just "Darkseid Is..." and just have the screen go to static for a moment or two.
Why do your rules about ethnicity get thrown out when it comes to Bishop being Aboriginal Australian? To be clear I agree with your rules generally just found it strange there was a sudden exception
Be anything bishop being anything other than just a black future American was added/retcon like over a decade after his creation and has barely been mentioned since/not important to his character like say kitty being jewish or storm being (raised) African .
I think the MCU's X-Men are going to be wayyyy more diverse and they're going to lean into that being the reason they're hated in the MCU. “This is what happens when the wrong people get powers."
Agreed on Eka for Bishop. Plus (as silly as it seems) he does have experience acting as a peacekeeper in a post apocalyptic future in Power Rangers RPM as the Red ranger.
My first thought when you started talking about Rogue was Mia Healey who plays Shelby in The Wilds. That character isn’t exactly Rogue, but it did let Healey show the range she’d need as a Southern girl who hides her pain behind a smile, who felt like she couldn’t (or didn’t deserve) to love who she wanted, and who could be both cheerful and extroverted and fierce and decisive as a leader.
X-men apocalypse has a lot of problems but the thing that bothered me most was that they had Jubilee and Cyclops in the same room and Cyclops (!!!) was the one that suggested going to the mall. Jubilee was absolutely robbed. My pick for her would be Brianne Tju
I know you said the X-factor one is probably the last in this series but I would really love if you did the new mutants team. they're one of my favorite comic book teams and are probably my favorite x-men related team ever and would love to see what you do with them compared to what we got in the movie.
If he does do new mutants I hope he gets an actual brasilian actor for sunspot and not any Hispanic/Latino guy who doesn’t understand brasilian culture because it’s so different from the rest of south and Latin America
If it weren't for the insane coincidence of 5 Feet Away, I think I would also pitch Natalia Dyer for Rogue. Recent star power from Stranger Things + great actress + can handle relationship roles + horror/trauma
Tbf, he was really only in it for the one movie to give Tatum that chance to come back. He will likely be back in Secret Wars, which I could see being a one time role. I imagine for the X-Men, they’ll want younger actors who can play these roles for 20 years. I wouldn’t be opposed to an older Gambit and older Rogue (since like with Giant Size X-Men they all join as adults). if they wanna go that way they definitely can and Channing would be my pick. But he probably wouldn’t be the best for a 20 year old Gambit.
I’ve been watching the Mike Flanagan series recently and I think Kate Siegel would make a fantastic Rogue. Very talented, sultry, has kind of a dangerous vibe but can play sweet just as well
If it was up to me Psylocke would be just be played by an Asian actress from the start cause I feel like all the body swap stuff a bit confusing and I'd just have her be Brian's adopted sister like Sue & Johnny Storm in the 2016 fantastic 4 movie.
@@louisbashford8048 Your plan is solid and I get behind it. I think what I meant was we can have the Britishness of Betsy with the ninja-ness of Psylocke. We don't have to make two characters, there are Asian British people. There, found my point!
Casting Taylor Kitsch as Gambit again would be even more great and should've had his own Gambit movie. Cherry on top to have Chris Potter to play as older version of Gambit or as Gambit's father, Jean-Luc LeBeau.
Honestly rogue being older than gambit makes the borderline obsessiveness a little less creepy in my opinion cuz it’s harder to read it as him preying on her
@@bennett4789 Well, let's start with this person's infantilizing Rogue. Just because she wasn't sexually experienced, doesn't mean that she was somehow incapable of being in a consensual romantic relationship with someone who was. Suggesting that Gambit was "preying" on her like she was some kind of helpless child is ridiculous.
@@blacksmartie8801 yeah, i think its also pretty sexist to say that age gap relationships are somehow more ok when the woman is the older one. like i think any opinion on age gaps is fine as long as you are consistent?
Off topic idea here, Kitty and Peter Parker would be a very interesting dynamic. Peter just came off a journey of not wanting to be treated like a kid and becoming an adult, While Kitty says she dosent want to be treated like a side X-Men.
I’m way with you on cleaning up the Psylocke story, but I think we can still keep their connection. Mutant Betsy gets in a scrape, the Hand finds her body, catches the name, knows the powers, and tries to trim out her X-gene to give to Kwannon, an also recently injured top assassin. Things go awry, they get matching powers, *maybe* a little touch of brain-messing, but the relationship still exists in a way without any of the weird yellowface-ish or nutso stuff.
For Anna Cathcart (jubilee) I'm so surprised you skipped over her years of experience as Olivia on the PBS kids show odd squad I know it's a public broadcast show for kids but it's really well made and even when watching it I could see the range she had, perfect casting for jubilee
Came here from the Nebula vid to say that I actually love the idea of a younger Gambit who is trying to romance this older, kind of hardened Rogue. Great casting, no notes!
I do like how someone describing comics can just casually say "her mother got so angry she opened a portal to a dream dimension and decided to stay there" and then just move on.
The comic equivalent of "he went out for milk".
Honestly... sometimes American comics can be way weirder than any anime out there 🤣
True
And”she kissed her crush he went in a coma” so casually.
comics are interesting
Hearing Nando recite Psylocke’s comic book history felt like running a marathon
That explanation also served as an example of why I don't read comics.
I honestly expected him to play the Spaceballs "You got all that?" clip at the end of that recitation.
Even just parsing out the script to figure out how he recited all the stuff in front of the right drawings is giving me anxiety
my brain just went blank on that part
It's like a Metal Gear plot recap!
Maude Apatow is so unbelievably perfect for the role of Kitty Pryde, to the point I predicted you’d pick her as soon as I saw the title for this video
She needs to be Kitty I don’t care that her dad is Judd Apatow it fits
vou fzr fancast no capcut
@@JesusFlores-rw8ry what would her dad have to do with it?
@@ChildishGambeaner nepotism i guess
@@JesusFlores-rw8ry cool but do u know peter parker/ kitty pryde dated in ulitmate marvel comics
All great casting choices, but there's a big issue with the Bishop casting. Bishop isn't just an Australian dude, he's specifically Indigenous Australian/First Australian. He's Black, but not of African descent.
Trevante is a fantastic actor but casting him is as inappropriate as casting a non-Jewish actor for Kate Pryde. Especially since First Australian actors are frequently marginalized and ignored within and out of Australia.
I'd suggest a First Australian actor like Baykali Ganambarr. He has the age, experience, and build you're looking for, without the unfortunate "Black people are interchangeable" implications.
Agreed man
well said.
as an australian very well said
Personally I’d love to see someone like Rob Collins or Mark Coles Smith, but otherwise I’m with you. Citing Eka Darville being African-Australian as making him qualified isn’t the same as casting an actual First Nations actor
100%
“Ah yes. It’s a lot like Star Trek: The Next Generation. In many ways, it’s superior, but will never be as recognized as the original.”
I had no idea Bishop was Indigenous Australian. I think it would be some really interesting representation to get an indigenous actor in the MCU.
Yeah as an indigenous Australian myself It was kinda disheartening to hear Nando just pass off indigenous Australians as "a black dude" indigenous Australians aren't black and for Nando to care so much about other nationalities and religions and then to throw that out kinda bothered me.
@@MistuhJaysGamingOf course, Bishop has never that I'm aware of been *drawn* as Indigenous Australian, so I was surprised too. It would be cool to have that sort of representation, especially for people who aren't aware of the difference.
@MistuhJaysGaming Luckily, it's just acting, not representation. Caring THAT much about the background of someone pretending to be another person is pretty ridiculous
@@MistuhJaysGamingbecause he is just black in the comics nothing about him in the comics screams indigenous So why can’t the movie be the same
@@23heltar it's not so much about casting in an actual movie as it is Nando's attitude towards every other culture and race and then to be so dismissive of Indigenous Australians as just another black guy
I love how ONE writer messing up a story due to not having read and issue forces other writers to have to completely make up a whole new story
One of my favorite things about Jubilee was always that she lost her powers in the No More Mutants/Decimation arc, only to continue being a superhero by using technology as Wondra. It showed a side of her that would want to be a hero, even if not for her mutant power being forced on her.
This may be the group of X-Men that I REALLY hope the MCU gets right. The previous ones were handled relatively well and kept pretty accurate in the Fox series, but THESE characters were either heavily changed or severely underutilized.
I disagree, even the previous ones were pretty inaccurate aside from Professor X and Wolverine. I'd even argue that it was basically the whole franchise of Fox x men was just the Wolverine movies. Almost everyone else was kicked to the backround. I mean they barely used Cyclops, the poster boy of the x-men.
@@lightknight6749 well Colossus was pretty great in the Deadpool films as was Deadpool himself.
@@TheTrekkie42 Very true,Domino was great as well
@@lightknight6749 I felt like the casting decisions were decent for the most part (besides Rogue and Storm), but yeah they dropped the ball on their characterization.
@@SymbiSpidey agreed
16:26 what do you think about Channing Tatum as a Gambit now after seeing Deadpool & Wolverine?
It'd be okay to have an older Rogue and Gambit. They could be like those 30 year old camp counselors who the kids know are jumping each other's bones when out of sight.
didnt know rogue had a bone...
hehehehehe yeah i agree
Weird analogy but ok
ugh
Umm… are they even 30 in the comics yet? Rogue isn’t, she’s currently 28/9 and gambits age… I’m not even sure who’s older, rogue or gambit.
i think not casting bishop as an indigenous australian is a huge missed opportunity for both diversity, and to further stand out as a member of the cast. it’s too bad that most comic writers and artists seem to ignore a very important part of his heritage
Came here to say this. Has to be played by an Australian First Nations actor.
Isn't Bishop from like hundreds of years in the future from an alternate timeline?
@@StewartFletcher and?
Uli Latukefu would be perfect
dang, its 4am, im studying, and then this comes out
Came out at 3:30 pm where I live
While I do like the actors you've got for bishop, it'd be great if he was played by an actual indigenous australian, two actors I know who could do it is Aaron Pederson (although he's not super tall or built he can certainly play the cop role well and is still reasonably built) or Jimi Bani (recently played Koiki Eddie Mabo and is definitely built for the part)
Big agree. As someone who only really read X-men comics Messiah Complex onwards, I didn't even realize he was indigenous Australian because of how he's been portrayed in the 90s cartoon/movie. Would be huge to get an indigenous actor in. Aaron Fa'aoso?
@@azimzain9064 Yeah I had no idea myself until this video, he's been portrayed as more of african-american than indigenous australian. I haven't seen any of Aaron Fa'aoso's stuff but he certainly looks the part.
Edit: spelling
Suggesting a half African half Aborigine character be played by a guy who is more white than he is aborigine to a now seemingly very racist or atleast racially dismissive youtuber who spent the entire runtime of Bishops character breakdown crapping on a character with over 30 yrs of history is insane
As for jimi even though he isn't half African he'dve been perfect.. THIRTY years ago, not now
Bishop is Indigenous Australian (one of the oldest living cultures in the world), these peoples are already very underrepresented I think it would be disrespectful to not give an indigenous actor a shot at the role.
the oldest living culture in the world ? wut
Not older than bushmen( the Saan people )
@@Katkayz perhaps not but honestly thats besides the point
Jimi Bani is an indigenous Australian actor who could be Bishop, as are Aaron Fa'aoso, Mark Coles Smith
, and Thibul Nettle
. Its absolutely hypocritical how you went out of your way to find an actress you like for Kitty but rejected simply because she wasn't Ashkenazi Jewish, but you had no issue doing the same with Bishop who you yourself described as Aboriginal Australian.
yeah he tends to do that a lot ive noticed 😂
Agreed
Being indigenous Australian was a retcon to bishop and isn't important to bishop's character like kitty being jewish. He was intended to just be a black future American
I like your suggestions, however I feel obligated to say that Bishop should be played by an Indigenous Australian, especially as they are so underrepresented in media. ATSI people are indigenous to Australia and casting Bishop as with someone of African descent just feels disrespectful. Baykali Ganambarr, Sean Mununggurr or even Rob Collins could be better picks.
To be fair…his background is muddy…he was supposed to be Filipino…I’m not against bishop being aboriginee …however your being rude by just demanding it’s disrespectful not to make him aboriginee when his creator wanted him to be Filipino…
@@ThunderKat2012 the aeta are indigenous people of the Philippines that have ancestral ties to australian aboriginals. although they are extremely unrepresented in filipino media as the mainstream favors mixed/light-skinned filipinos rather than those with indigenous features. casting an aboriginal australian would at least be closer to his character than casting an african american. unless they get out of their way to find an aeta actor that would fit his role to which i don't know any. i blame the philippine showbiz industry for this
@@ThunderKat2012 Indigenous, First Nations or Aboriginal are all correct. Aborigine has not great colonial history and is not appropriate to use anymore.
I like how Rogue's love interest and soul mate is an ACTUAL rogue, lol. Somebody at Marvel has a very cheeky sense of humor.
I really hope they do Gambit well. He can be brokenly powerful if written properly, but his personality and backstory are also interesting.
I would love to see New Sun Gambit, but I doubt we'd see that in the MCU.
They better keep him and Rogue together too, they might just be my favorite couple
New Sun Gambit is very uh, Dr Manhattan-ish
Same. I think he could be introduce in the second film, adapting Mutant Massacre, with Mr Sinister and the Marauders as the villains. Gambit could start as part of the group and is trick by the villain to lead them to the Morlock hideout. However, after meeting the X-men and Rogue, he realize his mistakes and joins the heroes, with Rogue falling in love with him because they are both villain trying to redeem themselves from their past (obs: I think MCU rogue should have the whole journey from villain to hero).
He's always been my favorite X-man, I reaaally hope they do
@@malepatternbaldness. yeah they're one of my favorite marvel couples
Haley Lu Richardson as Rogue would 1000% get me on board, I absolutely adore her in Five Feet Apart and her real-life personality seems perfect for Rogue! I can’t believe I didn’t think of her before now
i agree she's perfect for Rogue
Fun fact: Rogue's name in portuguese is "Vampira', meaning "female vampire" or "vampiress" and I always thought it fit better than Rogue. Any x-man could be called "rogue". Blue devil infiltrator? Rogue. Clawed wild man assassin? Rogue. Psychic superbeing that is constantly turning into a villain when possesed by a space-bird? Rogue. But "Vampiress" is something only she can be.
Kitty and Rogue is another group of those that have to be done correctly when appearing in the MCU.. They left alot to be desired in the fox films. Both of them are wildly competent and great substitute leaders when given the chance..
Thomasin Mackenzie is my pick for Kitty
@@biguy617 Great choice
After watching Moon Knight, I'm convinced that the late Gaspard Ulliel would have been a perfect Gambit. The charisma, looks, and physicality was on point.
MOON KNIGHT MENTIONED RWAHHHHHHHHH
Only one I'd change is Psylocke. Sonoya Mizuno would be perfect. She's British Japanese and was fantastic in Devs
Captain Carter being a Captain Britain variant in the Captain Corps would be great too. Even throw in Union Jack and CB1 in there. So you could have Brians, Peggys, Betsys and James' all as CBs.
sonoya mizuno!!! yes!!!!
But Psylocke is not British Japanese, she’s british OR japanese, depending on which Psylocke you’re referring to.
I agree that they will probably simplify their history, make Betsy and Brian british-asian, but if we’re following Nando’s idea to cast Kwannon and Betsy as different people, making Kwannon british-japanese would be pretty whitewashey.
@@Melkac Even if you really wanted someone like Henry Cavill as Brian, couldn't you just make them be half-siblings instead of twins? How important is it to have them as twins? I'd say do something like Cavill and Mizuno as the Braddocks and then potentially later cast a fully Japanese woman as Kwannon as a sort of legacy Psylocke character after Mizuno would either leave the MCU or become Captain Britain. With how much Betsy's public perception owes to the katana wielding Japanese body look I'm not fully comfortable with having a fully white Betsy.
@@Melkac honestly i could see the mcu ditching psylocke's convoluted history and basically making her into a new character who is british and japanese. that would probably mean she is no longer captain britain's twin but i would honestly prefer that to the absolute shitstorm that is her comic backstory. i dont think mainstream audiences would dig the whole asian body swap/two characters thing, its pretty cringe
When you started listing the requirements for Gambit, Austin Butler immediately jumped in my head.
I’m glad he was a runner up for you, but he’s my winner.
@@lizziehwevans I also think there may be more options but when you give Elvis the movie you start to understand that he would be an AMAZING Gambit .
If they make Psylocke specifically Japanese (as in cast a Japanese actress) I would be so happy because we haven’t gotten any Japanese representation other than the legendary…. Japanese Spiderman 😆
(Shang Chi is Chinese Descent, Gilgamesh actor is Korean)
If they don’t I would be pretty disappointed…
That would be fking awesome
Her story is confusing so just making her Japanese but British is the best way to go instead of a white woman changing bodies.
"Kate Pryde is jewish and should be played by a jewish person"
"Bishop is of aboriginal decent but lets cast an american. Both are black, who will notice"
"Kwannon is japanese. Why not go with a korean tho!"
Dude just gave me an hour long whiplash.
This bothered me too. How are you so finicky with religion, but then say "Jubilee I guess should be Asian" when the character is specifically Chinese-American, and say "Bishop can be just any black guy" when he is specifically Aboriginal. And with Kwannon, the race of the character is pretty important since it is directly tied into her back story, but eh let's just find someone who's Asian. Be consistent or just forget about it man lol
@@davajita Unusually problematic of him yes. Lost a fair amount of respect for him after this. Maybe its just a "editing mistake" since he usually more sensitive about this sort of stuff.
centrist moment!
He's normally better about this kind of thing
He mightve just already had these actors in mind and was blind to his bias, hopefully he does better in the future
I'm completely with you in regard to the Bishop casting, but to be fair, he only suggested a single korean actress for Kwannon amidst 3 or 4 other suggestions that were all japanese or of japanese descent, and his top pick was also japanese.
Imagine if marvel has these detailed videos describing why they make the choices they make.
I would love if The Marvels post credit scene is Rogue kissing her boyfriend and killing him, would be a perfect tease af the end of a captain marvel movie
Ana Paquin played a better Rogue on True Blood than she ever did on X Men
She had some moments in that show where I totally agree
The casting part of these videos is always great, but I'm also really appreciating the concise breakdown of each character's history/backstory. I never read the comics, so it's nice to get some extra info/clarity on characters that I experienced mostly through video games, tv shows, movies, etc.
Jacob Elordi's actually 25 years old, meaning the age-gap between your Rogue & Gambit is a lot smaller than you actually thought.
Coming back here to say youknowhowlongivebeenwaitingfordis? Wooimabouttomakeanameformyself!
Disappointed that the actors listed for Bishop were all non Aboriginal actors, it would great to see that representation on the big screen, as First Nations Australians are not interchangeable with African American or someone like Eka Darville, who is Australian but with Jamaican heritage not Australian. Would personally recommend Mark Coles Smith as my pick
I think it's reasonable to expand Kwannon casting to 'countries that were colonised by Japan in the periods that Marvel's ninja plots cover'. This gives us a somewhat wider range: Japan, Korea, Taiwan (Hoklo, Formosan, Hakka) and Karafuto/Sakhalin (Ainu) - while still staying true to the character's roots.
The whole finding someone in the right age range now kinda of falls apart when you consider that none of these characters would show up till the third or forth x men movie if they handled the roster like you’ve described.
Luckily, none of this is year and is just a fun exercise for Nando
As a Mississippian, Rogue and Gambit will always be my favorite X-Men. I would love it SO MUCH if they would start with these two as the romantic focus instead of Jean Grey and Scott again.
Agreed, Scott and Jean are so vanilla
as a new Orleanian Gambit will always be my favorite x-man
@@marlonclark1896 the south is under served with super heroes. I mean, who do we really have that people know? Gambit, Rogue, and Sam Wilson?
I'm sure there are lesser known and parody like Leatherhead and Shadow man. It's just so rare that we get a character like PREACHER or rogue with depth
It would be cool if Rouge was the “villain” of ‘The Marvels’
Rogue
oh......oh, do i have some news for you.....
All I gathered from all that Betsy problem is that Betsy's consciousness is the most persevering entity in Marvel, just can't die and revives itself when absorbed by someone else
john boyega should be spyke, storm's nephew. he's too likeable and pure at heart for bishop
Obviously nowhere near finished with this video yet but these are legitimately my favorite videos on the entirety of UA-cam right now. The amount of time, effort, and thought put into each one is *chef's kiss*
Although Taron Egerton should be Wolverine
Only if he can do the accent right. If he can hide his British accent. I am all for it.
@@biguy617 I mean most British actors can do an American accent. It's not like Wolverine has a specific accent to him as he has traveled all over the globe in his life.
I’d love to see another (maybe brief) episode of this that’s just a bunch of oddball X-men you’d love to see included at some point, even just as background characters. X-men like Mercury, glob Herman, Mercury, Maggot, or mercury. Personally I’d love to see Mercury, she’s got fun powers.
Not sure if you're on Nebula, but there he's done the Mojoverse, Wolverine's clones and Excalibur. When he does his X-Factor video, he'll probably do another Nebula exclusive with even more fringe characters
as someone who was introduced to most of the marvel cast via the super hero squad mmo game, gambit was my favorite based on design and he had a mini game i remember liking.
I feel like there was a missed opportunity in calling this group the Uncanny X-Men since that is the iconic title for them, granted all the other X-Men you cast before helped make it iconic too. It's when most of these members shined. But other than that, great choices! Love your vids!
Anna Paquin’s Rogue is more similar to her portrayal in “X-Men: Evolution”, where she was a teenage goth girl (which came out right before the 2000 film). Both are valid, but I feel like the MCU’s should be more like the 90’s series.
Edit: I love Evolution btw, it’s probably my personal favorite of the X-Men animated portrayals, but the 90’s version has some of the most definitive versions of many of the characters. I hope the MCU combines the best aspects of both!
Yeah. The 90's series was pretty goofy overall (not that it's a bad thing) but the one part that I always liked about it was Rogue and Gambit.
If I’m not mistaken, the movie came out in the summer of 2000 and the show debuted that fall. I’m guessing they intentionally patterned the animated version after the live action portrayal.
I’d rather have the MCU X-Men be inspired by Evolution.
Not quite. Despite not having Carol powers, Evolution Rogue was still confident, she was sarcastic and had other arcs besides her inability to touch people, including her journey from member of the brotherhood to join x-men and dealing with the revelation that Mystique was her adoptive mother.
I agree
Nando isn’t lying here Kitty really is one of the golden children everyone loves her
Darville isn’t Indigenous Australian, he’s Caribbean ethnicity.
He is also the RPM red ranger. Haha
Ok, so what I'm seeing here is that Nando's got three entire X-men movies already cast, and frankly? I'm here for it. That, or three concurrent simultaneous X-teams. That's dope.
I love all these choices glad you cast Gambit and Rogue they are some of my favorite X-MEN characters
Lana Condor should still play Jubilee in my opinion. She’s still a young looking lady that can pass for a teenager in my opinion. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
Yes! And she was so wasted in that movie. She should get another shot.
plus they never gave her a chance to be a real character so I don’t think many people would realize she wasn’t recast
lana has spoken out that she is done playing teenager/high school roles and is ready to move on. unless Jubilee is aged up, she probably wouldn't agree to the role
That Rachel Sennott section was a roller coaster, just like Shiva Baby
"As close to Euphoria has to a villain," is an understatement. Nate Jacobs might be the single least likable character I've ever seen on television. Elordi is great in the role.
Daisy Edgar-Jones is a slam dunk for Rogue. She hit all of these beats perfectly on Under the Banner of Heaven, and I assume she has a southern accent in Where the Crawdads Sing. Plus she seems to be on the cusp of superstardom, just like JLaw in First Class.
Okay. That whole thing about Rogue's history and her dad's using some type of spell I never heard before. You definitely taught me something there.
I think this is your most solid casting YET! I’m down with everyone of them!
Shadowcat: You went with Maude Apatow… if you wanted to go younger, her sister Iris Apatow could also really work!
Jubilee: LOVE your pick. She’s great
I love Psylocke! & yes, I grew up in the 90/00 so art from Jim Lee, joe Madureira, THAT swimsuit special & layer on Salvador Larroca! + she was a 🇬🇧 X-Men (technical)
Lilly James is AMAZING! When you put her for Rogue I was like “ok, but what about Betsy” & then you did! (Is Henry Cavill your Brian?….)
Honestly the face shot of the two runners up for Gambit I look at them and I see Gambit. Although I know or barely know any of the actors you said for Gambit besides Channing Tatum, who I agree isn’t a great pick for Gambit.
The editing on the psylocke explanation is next level. Great video! Can't wait to see what you do next!
50:12 If I may add to this, Eka Darville also played a Red Ranger named Scott Truman in Power Rangers RPM, which is a series set in a dystopia dimension where an evil robot virus has taken over and nearly killed off humanity
Just replace Venjix with Sentinels and add some time travel to the story, you got a potential Bishop plot
Even Scott’s personality sort of fits
Actually his character was Scott Truman but honestly yeah he could fit lol
@@haydenfisher1387 Thank you for the correction
I would love to see you do a DC casting vid (if you haven't already) where you cast Darkseid and begin a segment about Darkseid with just "Darkseid Is..." and just have the screen go to static for a moment or two.
Why do your rules about ethnicity get thrown out when it comes to Bishop being Aboriginal Australian? To be clear I agree with your rules generally just found it strange there was a sudden exception
Be anything bishop being anything other than just a black future American was added/retcon like over a decade after his creation and has barely been mentioned since/not important to his character like say kitty being jewish or storm being (raised) African .
ngl the psylocke explanation is the most complicated thing I've ever seen on youtube.
and I've watched videos analyzing the fibonacci sequence
I think the MCU's X-Men are going to be wayyyy more diverse and they're going to lean into that being the reason they're hated in the MCU. “This is what happens when the wrong people get powers."
That seems to be the direction the MCU is going for
This is an interesting idea
Bold choice. Will Disney/Marvel go for this? 🤔
Rina Sawayama is the best bet for Kwannon/Psylocke tbh. She’ll be coming off of John Wick 4 and is British of Japanese Origin.
Rina acts??
@@SuperPianogirl123 she’s debuting in John Wick 4. Apparently the director cast her after the bad Friend video
We absolutely need a casting alpha flight video,
Personally I’d go with Stephen Amell as Vindicator
Just found this channel, been jumping around random videos, the Bishop rant got me hitting the subscribe button
Been enjoying your picks more and more with each video. Jacob Elordi is my favourite to date.
Wonderful job here.
I know kitty is iconic but man I wish they'd bring jubilee in as a pov character again
Agreed on Eka for Bishop. Plus (as silly as it seems) he does have experience acting as a peacekeeper in a post apocalyptic future in Power Rangers RPM as the Red ranger.
I love the Austin Butler Gambit idea.
My first thought when you started talking about Rogue was Mia Healey who plays Shelby in The Wilds. That character isn’t exactly Rogue, but it did let Healey show the range she’d need as a Southern girl who hides her pain behind a smile, who felt like she couldn’t (or didn’t deserve) to love who she wanted, and who could be both cheerful and extroverted and fierce and decisive as a leader.
Shoutout to casually comics for having a video series about all the Superman love interests with the initials L.L.
Anna Paquin's Rogue always seemed more like Kitty then Rogue to me.
two years later your prediction on Channing Tatum being Gambit was correct
He was gonna play gambit in a cancelled movie from 2014
X-men apocalypse has a lot of problems but the thing that bothered me most was that they had Jubilee and Cyclops in the same room and Cyclops (!!!) was the one that suggested going to the mall. Jubilee was absolutely robbed. My pick for her would be Brianne Tju
Kitty Pryde is my favorite X-Men character, and probably my favorite character in all of Marvel Comics. She should really have a big role in the MCU!
You listed Betsy Braddock as Revanche, but Revanche was always Kwannon in Betsy's body. Betsy has been Psylocke and Captain Britain, though.
16:11 bet youre feeling real silly now
To me his appearance just proved Nando was right lol
I can't remember the last time i laughed as hard as i did when you went through rogue's childhood. Well done.
I know you said the X-factor one is probably the last in this series but I would really love if you did the new mutants team. they're one of my favorite comic book teams and are probably my favorite x-men related team ever and would love to see what you do with them compared to what we got in the movie.
If he does do new mutants I hope he gets an actual brasilian actor for sunspot and not any Hispanic/Latino guy who doesn’t understand brasilian culture because it’s so different from the rest of south and Latin America
i immediately got hyped when i saw the notification and then double hyped when i saw the video length! more Nando less problems!
I'm curious to see your casting of Dazzler, who is my favourite X-Men character!
As a general note I absolutely love that you refer to all potentials as actor. I think that is a big thing that gets overlooked.
If it weren't for the insane coincidence of 5 Feet Away, I think I would also pitch Natalia Dyer for Rogue. Recent star power from Stranger Things + great actress + can handle relationship roles + horror/trauma
i was thinking sadie sink actually cause shes 20 irl and from texas originally
@@n.k.pierro I'd love seeing Sadie as Syren
Never thought I'd see One Cut of The Dead on this channel. I love that movie.
Guess he was wrong on Tatum gambit lol
Idk, he was alright. There are definitely actors more suited for the role
Fr lol
@@Sironion216not really
Tbf, he was really only in it for the one movie to give Tatum that chance to come back. He will likely be back in Secret Wars, which I could see being a one time role.
I imagine for the X-Men, they’ll want younger actors who can play these roles for 20 years. I wouldn’t be opposed to an older Gambit and older Rogue (since like with Giant Size X-Men they all join as adults). if they wanna go that way they definitely can and Channing would be my pick. But he probably wouldn’t be the best for a 20 year old Gambit.
I’ve been watching the Mike Flanagan series recently and I think Kate Siegel would make a fantastic Rogue. Very talented, sultry, has kind of a dangerous vibe but can play sweet just as well
If it was up to me Psylocke would be just be played by an Asian actress from the start cause I feel like all the body swap stuff a bit confusing and I'd just have her be Brian's adopted sister like Sue & Johnny Storm in the 2016 fantastic 4 movie.
Also I think Rina Sawayama would be a cool pick since she's Japanese but grew up in Britain
Yeah, plenty of Asian people in Britain. This is being made more complicated than it needs to be.
@@JdeMolay Yeah I make it sound more complicated than all the body swap stuff
@@louisbashford8048 Your plan is solid and I get behind it. I think what I meant was we can have the Britishness of Betsy with the ninja-ness of Psylocke. We don't have to make two characters, there are Asian British people. There, found my point!
@@JdeMolay That's what I meant, You summed it up for me.
Casting Taylor Kitsch as Gambit again would be even more great and should've had his own Gambit movie. Cherry on top to have Chris Potter to play as older version of Gambit or as Gambit's father, Jean-Luc LeBeau.
Honestly rogue being older than gambit makes the borderline obsessiveness a little less creepy in my opinion cuz it’s harder to read it as him preying on her
i think this is a weird take but i cant articulate why
So a grooming relationship is ok when the women is older 🤦🏿♂️💀
@@Tthaking how is it grooming they’re both in their 20’s, sheesh
@@bennett4789 Well, let's start with this person's infantilizing Rogue. Just because she wasn't sexually experienced, doesn't mean that she was somehow incapable of being in a consensual romantic relationship with someone who was. Suggesting that Gambit was "preying" on her like she was some kind of helpless child is ridiculous.
@@blacksmartie8801 yeah, i think its also pretty sexist to say that age gap relationships are somehow more ok when the woman is the older one. like i think any opinion on age gaps is fine as long as you are consistent?
I’m really curious of your opinion of Tatum’s Gambit post-Deadpool 3
here we are, two years later, with a peak gambit
i hope he gets to be in the main mcu he just feels right as gambit
Although I like tatum, hes already in his mid 40s. I dont see him playing the main gambit in the MCU
Real
Lady GaGa as Dazzler. Fite me, this is a hill I'm willing to die on.
"Bishop is a cop."
Facts.
This is my favorite X-Men line up 😍😍😍😍
Love the castings. Are we getting a Brotherhood of Evil Mutants casting for those other villians like: Toad, Blob, Sabertooth, Quicksilver, Pyro??
Off topic idea here, Kitty and Peter Parker would be a very interesting dynamic. Peter just came off a journey of not wanting to be treated like a kid and becoming an adult, While Kitty says she dosent want to be treated like a side X-Men.
"Then when she got better (comics)" LOL
I’m way with you on cleaning up the Psylocke story, but I think we can still keep their connection. Mutant Betsy gets in a scrape, the Hand finds her body, catches the name, knows the powers, and tries to trim out her X-gene to give to Kwannon, an also recently injured top assassin. Things go awry, they get matching powers, *maybe* a little touch of brain-messing, but the relationship still exists in a way without any of the weird yellowface-ish or nutso stuff.
For Anna Cathcart (jubilee) I'm so surprised you skipped over her years of experience as Olivia on the PBS kids show odd squad I know it's a public broadcast show for kids but it's really well made and even when watching it I could see the range she had, perfect casting for jubilee
Came here from the Nebula vid to say that I actually love the idea of a younger Gambit who is trying to romance this older, kind of hardened Rogue. Great casting, no notes!