My Jaguar F-Type V6 Breakdown: Diagnosis & Cost (Part 1)
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- If you haven't already, check out my video about what has happened and why I have this video about the F-Type Repair Summary, or this will make no sense.
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I have just used PRP Vehicle Services at Snitterfield near Stratford upon Avon. Phil (owner) is a Jag specialist and comes highly recommended (see reviews on website).
I needed new rear washer pump and sensor, these are located behind the rear bumper which is a pig of a job labour wise plus seized bolts/screws. Total cost £420, £253 paid by non Jag warranty, remaining cost paid by me.
He's 50 odd miles from Oxford and is booking 3/4 months in advance, my job booked in July this year.
I have used independents for years for Porsche, Mercedes and now Jaguar, wouldn't go near dealers !
Good luck with your warranty ! 👍
Thanks dude, actually just posted the final update, if you’re interested… 👀
Hey Mate, sound like an injector failed on your original drive from the garage, they are prone to fail, just so happened on way from a service unfortunately. The injector will cause a lean or rich fault that the catalyst sensors will feedback efficiency fault to the memory, get the injectors done 1St then check the cat efficiency issues. The heater circuit faults will be the O2 sensors, they preheat the sensors to get them working quickly, there are 3 in each side or the exhaust totalling 6 and do fail regularly, especially if using pops and bangs a lot. The stuck valve at the back are prone to seizing, try soaking in penetrating oil for a bit and see if you can free it up, its on a pivot with a small vacuum diaphram operating it. Modstock do a repair for this backbox complete, exchange backbox. The stuck bolts at the back can be sorted by someone handy with vehicle / fabrication skills, tools, your biggest conundrum is the injectors causing the misfire and smoking, they are buggers to get out in one peice. I'd take it to an independent and they can assess if they need to call in an injector removal specialist. Plenty of knowledge on this if you search. I run a 19 plate v6s too, nothing worries me about the car as a lorry mechanic / technician, it's only an engine and body, but the injectors can be tricky and if broken, can lead to further costs of extraction or cylinder head removal if clumsy enough to snap then in the head. O2 sensors can be purchased from an auto factors and changed yourself with an O2 socket or a good mechanic, just cos it's a Jag, it's still only a petrol car. Hope this helps. Let's try and see if the community comes up with a good local indy for you who can ease your fears.
Sounds like a need you on speed dial for when I next have a problem. I am hesitant about keeping the Jag after this. Do you think that’s fair, or after the repairs are done I should be good? Be interested to hear your thoughts
@tootalltodrive Look mate, nothing in transport now is built to last. I say around 70 k miles on most brands is when you expect to start spending on items like perhaps cam chains, idler pulley bearings, egr valves and suspension bushes etc, it's just how it is and also can be a reflection of the life the car has in being driven, hammered, gentle, parked up for extended periods etc etc. Everything has a life and you need to appreciate you will need to spend 'some' money as the car ages and clocks up.
Fair play to the new dealer taking on your car, remember they're limited to available skilled staff on shift, and what resources can be found to sort your car. Sometimes they're just snowed under with basic services and have only a couple 'really good' techs that sort the hospital jobs in turn.
I'd like to see the JLR staff sort the running for you, which would involve the injectors if that's what they've diagnosed, (where I'd change the 3 on the side that failed) together and the 02 sensors. This will get the motor running well without the Mil lamp enough to make an educated guess to either stay there or get someone else qualified to do the work for you if not under warranty. Let's fingers crossed for a positive warranty story, mine is jlr approved warranty and it seems they prefer a full failure rather than a partial or intermittent issue to proceed with a claim hence why perhaps the first dealer didn't go further with your vent issue.
My 2019 R-Dynamic has 49,670 miles. Last week it BLEW. I had it towed into my Dealer Galpin Jaguar in Van Nuys California. They determined it was a single, failed bank of fuel injectors. My manufacturers warranty ended last October so I was SCARED. They put it under an EPA warranty and fixed it FREE...in only 6 days! This is my second 6cylinder F-Type and the first breakdown in 170k...🎉💚💨
For free in 6 days? Well that beats me over 30 days now… and don’t know if I’m covering the cost lol
Utterly disgraceful treatment from the first dealer mate. And a month for the second lot to get to this point?!! Shambolic. Surely your warranty covers everything apart from the consumables (brakes)? Fingers crossed for you. Love your vids and Insta bits, keep up the good work. And enjoy your hol.
Exhaust apparently might not be as it is a wear and tear but hoping as this was the original problem that they “fixed” (fixed = broken down on M5) they will cover this as customer service but will find out soon.
After a very unsatisfactory visit to my local Jaguar franchise, with repeated visits not fixing issues, I found myself looking for a local independent, and found Powerbell Services in Taplow, a dedicated Jaguar independent. I was nervous of using an independent, but they have turned out to be totally first class, I have used them for the past four years now, from 25k miles to 70k miles, they are good at finding things, they are candid about what needs fixing and what can wait and what options are available (very helpful - most of us live within a budget!!) and they are good at fixing things. Result is the F Type starts fine, runs fine, and has never broken down - 71k miles and still amazing to drive.
Completely agree, even though we own sports cars we still have a budget, just because we buy cars doesn’t mean that money is suddenly Monopoly money
I have a 2017 v6s here in Brazil. Had a similar problem when the car had around 12000miles. After a month waiting I was informed they needed to replace the hole engine, including the supercharger. The fix cost was more than half the price I paid for the car 4 months earlier. I love de design, the engine sound and the driving experience of the f-type v6, but jaguar has turned my sports car dream into a nightmare.
That’s my worse fear, and with either I sell it in 7 months or keep forever it’s a really hard decision.
I recently replaced the front brakes on my FType V6S and I found the parts (genuine) to be much cheaper on eBay. I picked the front discs, pads & wear sensor up for £400 and fitted them myself however a local independent specialist quoted £80 to fit them if I wanted.
I’m happy to provide part numbers if required and the garage I use typically is Julian Ferraro Jaguar Specialist in Salisbury.
Not that they need any further marketing but I have also used ModStock recently to replace the valves in my backbox as they were rattling (common issue). That alone cost £420 but I also opted for the mod for an extra £420 (which I’d 100% recommend)
My suggestion would be to persuade Jaguar into fixing majority of the issues under the warranty such as Injector (especially!), heater vent, sensors etc then head to a specialist for the rest.
Hopefully you’ll have a happy Jag back soon!
Part numbers for brakes would be great thanks!
An additional comment that I made earlier, I must say that I totally love my F-Type. It’s a pre production car (built in 2012) and it’s a bit special. Firesand with carbon blades. So beautiful that my wife has now taken it for her own. To give you some idea as to what I think about the F-Type, I’m going to purchase another one, a coupe. Had one before when I was commuting weekly to and from Eindhoven and it was perfect. This time I’m looking for a 5 ltr one. So I’ll be 2 Jags! Just steer clear of the 2 ltr. That engine has probably led to the demise of the Jaguar brand.
Nice! I want to keep the car but don’t want to be taking a loan every time I need a repair haha
The centre vent issue is really a simple quick fix. It sticks because the design is poor using a plastic on plastic swivel without any lubricants. Mine has failed 3 x but now it’s out of warranty I simply fixed it myself. There are several UA-cam videos showing how to do this.
Re the brakes, as someone has already commented, you can save a lot by buying genuine parts on eBay and either fitting them yourself or getting an independent to do it. I paid £300 for the fitting.
Yeah, will look into this if/when I get the car back 😂
I have a Jaguar V6 P400, My rear exhaust flap had seized like yours but wasn't covered under my warranty. So I took it to modstock that just welded on a new exhaust actuator.
How much was that if you don’t mind me asking? Love the 400 sport!
@@tootalltodrive Thanks, it was £420 for just the values, but I also got a back box mod to make the sound a bit more raw so it cost me £780 in total.
@@habiledrift7327 to be fair I don’t think that is too bad. I really need to hear a modstock exhaust vs mine haha
@@tootalltodriveyou can give it a go if you like
Swallows Racing in Bristol might be an option for your brakes. I think they do an upgrade kit too.
Thanks, will check them out
1 month!! What a great service model. Indie in Henley called Hoffmans, they do a lot of jags.
Thanks, I will give them a shout!
Ok. Let the dealer do the warranty work. If no warranty- exhaust valves have new values done by modstock - injector have done at a good independent Jaguar garage and have Y pipe and water pump done whilst the super charger is off. - Brakes have done by the indie.
Modstock don’t need any marketing they own the market haha. Everyone going modstock haha
Your front brake costs must include pads & discs, as I had a similar cost by a Jag main dealer a couple of weeks ago. They said mine were an "immediate" requirement. I got my local indie garage to check them over first and they couldn't find any problems! So I've left them as is. It's interesting that you are getting similar issues, their reputation is starting to come into question.
By the way, my extended Jag warranty has a cost cap. Not sure if you have the same...
I went for the unlimited one on my extended warranty, so it covers everything it can. I think a new engine is about £13,000. So always been scared of this haha! Yeah I have had a quote for brakes elsewhere at under £500 for discs and pads and no squeak like the Jag dealer ones. So might look at this.
Wow, those prices and the waiting time! 😢 Sounds like the first dealership did not what they were supposed to do, very frustrating for you.
I think, from my experience, it is always a hit or miss with this, Jaguar ones or independent. I had a lovely experience with an independent in Dublin for a very reasonable price and the same issue in Germany 2 years later for triple the price. But also Jaguar charged me 8 Euros to change the key battery once, lesson learned and they didn't find the fault with the exhaust. Two months later, after the issues blew up, another Jag dealer told me this fault must have been there a long time.
Best of luck with the warranty! Hope you can get the car up and running again, such a shame.
Thanks, hoping it won’t be too long before I’m bag in the Jaaaag!!!
On the seized exhaust valve, just replace the valve at an exhaust specialist around £3-400 there is no need to replace the rear back box. I had exactly the same issue. DO NOT replace the rear box.
If they give me a whole new box surely that is good? No?
@@tootalltodrive only if it's fully covered on warranty.
If its covered under warranty, let them change the whole thing and keep the old one for parts/sale
Yeah Jag dealership costs for brake discs & pads are nuts! I got quoted nearly £2k including discounts. I asked how many they do & got told not many, I wonder why 🤔.
I've just brought OEM plus parts for under £500 & labour to install from my local mechanic £200! Guess that extra £1300 pays for them fancy showrooms and free coffee and teas.🤦🏼♂️
Think you are right, won’t be getting mind done with dealer that’s for sure.
I had the injector problem, too. Nice surprise, the injector thingie was 300 Euros cheaper than forecast. However, they warned me at the time that due to the leaking injector the catalysator typically gets destroyed and that will only show itself later. Sure enough, 6 months later I spent more than 2k € on a new catalysator. That was at at about 100k kms. Was it worth it? You bet! Now at 160k kms and it's running beautifully.
Pleased to hear after the repair it’s still going, with all these issues I think my love of the F-Type is disappearing slightly 🥲
@@tootalltodrive After 160.000 km I'm pretty pleased with the amount of repairs, I must say. I follow THE German specialist for Mercedes AMG cars on YT and watching his content makes me wonder if any of those cars passes the 100.000 km mark without breaking down at least once and costing the equivalent of a small appartment in the course of events. I was actually so pleased with the F-Type's reliability that I got me a V8, too (I kept the V6).
@@ftypedriver Nice, just having a bit of a nightmare!
Those approved warrants from Jaguar are normally the same as buying a new car unless they changed that so you should be covered
… Keep watching 😂👀
My jag dealer broke my XKR back in the day. Changing a water pump and got coolant on belts, alternator, and blower fan for the A/C…. Replaced it all under after market warranty - still charged me the co-pay!!! 😅😂🤣
Bet you got the car back in less than 2 months though 👀😂
@@tootalltodrive seems like 3-6 months every time something wrong and they give it back more broke… you ain’t alone my friend!!!
@@lothar52 Yeah that’s crazy it’s going to be 3 months at the end of July. Hopefully get back soon. The sun is coming out in the UK
Hi mate, sorry to hear of your issues, have you done your part 3 yet as im very interested in how you got on with your warentee covering the 7k worth of work?
Next update video out on Saturday
@tootalltodrive cheers for the heads up 👌🏻. Just about yo pull the trigger on one so videos like this are priceless for prping me for any possible expense down the road 👍🏻
@@chrisperry5244 My advice if you can’t get Jag warranty have a look at a third party warranty just gives you a bit of peace of mind
@tootalltodrive good advice bud 👍🏻
Hi mate catching up on yr posts.What warranty you got the full jag.
The top one that covers everything / (most things) I think it was £1200 a year. Thanks for the support! ✌🏻
chiltern jaguar excellent
Next time (hopefully there isn’t a next time)
.after 1 month no repairs? so you took the car in already, they diagnosed it, and NONE of these codes were being seen????? this is confusing to say the least - something is rotten in Denmark for sure. I'd have to take a loan out to get these repairs done....Talk to the SERVICE MANAGER about all this..GOOD LUCK stay strong
Thanks, love the stay strong 😂 To be fair there is a gent at Oxford who I believe is on my side, so I’m hoping he can pull through for me.
And part two is........."soon"?
Yep, coming very soon!
All them exhausts pops & crackles sound great but comes at a high cost to the cats and O2 sensors... Fuel system in this cars are extremely sensitive fuel cleaners every 3K miles helps extend life. But to be honest 85% of the issues you can fix yourself with online tutorials.
I managed a brake change on the gf's DS3 but that took me about 9 hours haha. Although least I wouldn't' have been without the car for some time...
@@tootalltodrive Practice makes perfect..... and saves you thousands 😂
massive bill mate
Yep.
Goooodnesss me!
Fancy going halves?
First dealer had a bad tech.
Yeah possibly especially since it followed a dealer service where no problems were found…
looks like you have been scammed by the previous dealer , and only half of the things have been done , if they said it was fixed it's under warranty from them after repair !!!! , but the sparkplugs is BS , they almost never break , i have done 50.000 km with a set , so that is nonsense ,, sounds more like the ignition coils have gone bad , that is very common these days ,, and i would change those before anything else , because if they do not work or misfire it will give you all sorts of exhaust codes , like lambda sensor , cat , and those things because you are getting unburned fuel in the exhaust ,,,, that could damage the cat , but i would check it fist with a good running car ,,,, and that it takes so long is probably because they have no mechanics , ( not your problem ) if they would pay the mechanics a normal propper wage they would stay , instead of job hop !,,, i would get a lawyer and push for a lot of damage compensation !!!! because they are bullshitting you
Lawyer has been called 📞
I am the warranty lol
Covering me for £7,000? I’ll send you my bank details ;)
@tootalltodrive sounds like the warranty already cost more than a used engine 🤦♂️
First dealer is to blame. Disgraceful service.
I agree to be honest, but hope second dealer rectifys there issue as they are the same group. Second dealer has been great so far
@@tootalltodrive That would be the right thing to do. Good luck.
CALL DAVID APPLEBY ENGINEERING
I personally no longer trust main dealers
Yeah might have to!
looking to buy an f type, after this horror story will probably stick with bmw,best of luck with warranty claim.
Yeah I suppose if you were buying one you just need to check that it has had repairs or else I feel something will be due
All expensive sports cars need repairs and maintenance, every brand and model. BMWs can be some of the most expensive to repair especially via a BMW dealership!!! Wait until it goes wrong one day.
@stewartmoss5624 has a point. All cars tend to go wrong… don’t let this put you off. Just make sure it’s been well kept and you should be okay
@@stewartmoss5624 cheers stewart,my bmw 220d is 10 yrs old bought from new, serviced when needed my local garage, not guess the price at bmw! and its never missed a beats will look at a jag and as you say make sure everything checks out, regards john.
@@johnwhitehead4809 good stuff, good luck with a search. They’re great cars available at good prices now, but like all complex performance cars, they do need looking after! I’ve been thrilled with mine so far which was bought as a nearly 10 year old vehicle (2014). Whilst there are always genuinely unfortunate tales like this subject video, remember you’re not hearing from the many other happy owners of F-Types that haven’t had an issue.