Which is cheaper to run an Electric Jaguar iPace or an 3 Litre Supercharged Petrol Jaguar F Type?
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- Which is cheaper to run an Electric Jaguar iPace or an 3 Litre Supercharged Petrol Jaguar F Type?
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OK Guys, was rushing last night and completely missed a section of the video out, the story at the beginning was to try and highlight the tricks that were played in the old days, were they any different then than they are today, after all claiming something will save you money when clearly it doesn't, has effectively the same financial penalty as adding a year to your payments
Salesmen are very focused on monthly payments. As long as it meets your budget, they’ll do anything from change the term and even interest rate.
@@mikewhitehead50 There is flexibility in the interest rate. Hence the currant miss selling refunds you can get on car finance atm in the uk.
If the interest rate is 8% to the customer the bank charges the dealer 4% and the dealer adds their 4% as extra profit. This has been investigated and deemed as miss selling as it wasn’t made clear that the customer could negotiate the dealer add on rate.
So yes they would lower their rate to meet your budget.
I remember the days you would get discount for a cash sale. May be those days are coming back with all the excess EV stock if they need to move the stock for their own cash flow reasons?
The EVangelists just quote their cheap overnight charging. They refuse to acknowledge all of the other aspects. The chickens will come home to roost, one day!
Cheap overnight charging blah blah blah, then they end up handing it back after the lease is up on it, some investment that over 4 year and not owning fck all at the end of it as the majority of them are leased
@@megane230f1A good rule in life is to own something that appreciates like a house and rent something that depreciates, like a car. Most people seem to have that the wrong way round.
@@megane230f1 People were leasing before or swapping cars every few years on PCP. Not owning isn't new. 15 years ago if you bought a new Mondeo cash and sold it 4 years later, you'd have lost a heap of cash too. There is however, a massive depreciation from EV list price to used value.
@@mikewhitehead50 yeah but cars then werent anywhere near as pricey as they are now, i paid less for a 4 bed house with a double garage and gardens than you would for a bottom of the range rear wheel tesla model y, owning a car outright was easier then it is now
What 'other aspects'? 🙄
Stay Strong Barry
I’ve got an iPace - brilliant car to drive but the depreciation is absolutely horrific. Cheap to run but VERY expensive to own 😢 😢
I'm sure the depreciation can be mitigated by keeping the car for a long time, yes its a gamble to keep any Jaguar past its warranty but if you keep your iPace for 15 years the depreciation will cease to be an issue.
@@st200ol Yes, that’s the plan. Although JLR cars are not the most reliable so a warranty is essential - I must say that mine has been flawless so far (18 months) but I know quite a proportion have suffered substantial failures. After 8 years (battery warranty), the cars effectively becomes almost worthless as the battery replacement is currently c. £40k. There may be aftermarket solutions but because of the fire risks, insurers are very wary of such modifications. Of course the battery may last much longer - fingers crossed 🤞
I’m not anti EV - I love my car and it suits my needs perfectly but people need to have clear information before they take the plunge. They’re not for everyone and I don’t believe people should be effectively forced into them by the EV mandate.
@@SteveB-nm7xb I leased an I-Pace between 2019 and 2022 and although I loved the car (performce and luxury), it was off the road several times, with one period being 2 months, so a used one out of warranty is always going to be hard to sell, but being a lease vehicle, no worries re depreciation (which was the reason I went down the lease route). That said, have you seen the massive discounts now given by dealers on new I-Paces? £30k! Might just be worth buying a new I-Pace (through the business), keeping it for 5 years and then 'dumping' it, although not very green!
They look to be a great used buy!
@@SteveB-nm7xb100% agree on the ban on ICE cars we need a carrot and not a stick. Subsidies on public charging, keep the zero road tax status on EVs, VAT free on new EVs and also rebates on EV charger installs, have I missed anything? Of course people will still moan that they are being “forced into an EV” but money talks, soon all but the most ICE obsessed drivers will make the switch, no ban required.
Bought a steeply discounted year old 4500 mile Kia Niro EV in May. I traded in a 11 year old Golf diesel with 160,000 on the clock and got a couple of thousand trade in on it. I paid the same amount for the Kia as I paid for the Golf in 2013, which stunned me a bit. Over the past 11 years I’ve been lucky, and the Golf has run well, but fuelling it with about 3000 lifetime litres of diesel and servicing it once a year or so cost me many thousands. As I do most charging off peak at home (200 miles costs me only a few pounds) it’s a no brainer for me. I plan to keep the Kia for 10 years or so, and accept that, like the Golf, it’ll be effectively worthless by then. In the meantime though, I have no unavoidable recurring costs for diesel, lubricants, expensive servicing etc. Works for me. I’ve added 6000 miles since May, and my wallet is certainly feeling the benefit.
I bought a 2020 Hyundai Ioniq 38Kw just one year ago and after extensive research I paid £14500 which was just a bit below the average for that year and mileage. What I didn't account for was that this was just before all the lease EV's hit the used market and the depreciation when through the roof. Just one year later the best deal I could get was £9200 as I realised that owning an EV was not the future and now run an ICE car.
Sorry you got sucked in, but I don’t think you did “extensive research “.
If you did, you wouldn’t have poured almost £15k into an EV. Not that anyone can blame you, because the marketing around EVs is ridiculously dishonest and it’s easy to fall for it. Sorry you lost £4K but I’m pleased you managed to sell, I have a friend who can’t even sell her EV at a 30% loss, like you did. She will have to reduce it further. She only had the car for a year too and couldn’t even make much use of it because she found the range to be limiting (nowhere near what the manufacturers claimed) and so she often had to use her husband’s ICE car instead.
You’ll be surprised how many people made the same mistake as you and losing money on selling it.
@@MsJustice4ever Regardless as to whether it was an EV or Ice car considering the car retailed for £31000 then paying £14500 for a car with 21000 miles on it was, at that time, not a bad deal. As I do very low mileage it was rediculously cheap to run but in the event I was unable to have a home charger and had to rely on a 3 pin charging cable which took forever to charge the car. This eventually became a problem when I had an emergency call out with the car at a low state of charge which made me realise that this could happen to anyone with an EV and that they are not suitable as an only car, probably OK as a second car for shopping or school run.
@@ohyesitsme as I explained in my reply, I understand why you bought it. And why it seemed like a bargain initially.
Your experience with the range is far from unique also.
For my friend the range means that it is not even safely suitable for the school run and commute to work. She can’t charge at work as no off road parking, let alone chargers. And she lives in a village far from work and school. With the school being a further detour especially as her older child started secondary school it’s even further to travel. And with one overnight charge she too encountered low charge. Imagine 3 children in the car and a low charge break down on a remote country road, when the weather is bad or more passengers in the car, the car drains faster so she got nowhere near the manufacturer promised range.
And she is going to lose even more money than you did.
Thanks Barrie 🎉❤ Wake up People 😊
Great video Barrie. Really shows up the EV debacle! I’d go for the F Type any day of the week too
The EV dream! Because that's what it is, a dream.
As nissan cut there EV production back 😏
I'm living it! It's ace!
❤🎉😊
@jgtemperton Jolly good for you 😁. Lease it ?
@@johnnydoe1984 PCP, for 15 months likely.
I’ve owned an EV for the last 5 years and have an Electrical technology background so interested in the EV technology. I regularly watch EV programs like Everything Electric where your mate Q.W. often participates with a number of other EV “experts”. I don’t find any of them to be liars, but I do find them annoying when they present a picture that everything is rosey in the EV world. They lose their credibility for me as there are a number of issues with EVs (which will eventually get resolved and they should talk about them). Q.W’s claim that his tyres last 40k miles to me is not credible unless his tyres look like racing slicks.
If you are so annoyed with Q.W. for his lies why do not also mention some of the liars in the EV haters clan?.
Quentin had ply cords sticking out of his tyres on his last MOT, i just want to address the myths, it is EV's that are damaging my trade at the moment, especially the way they are being sold, and pre registered, EV's are great if they suit your needs
@@BarrieCrampton But pre registering is not caused by the EV, it’s caused by government rules. The government need to backtrack on the rules.
@@davidhumphreys9938 no they were doing it before the government mandate, there are still delivery mileage EV's appearing on the USED market that were pre registered 2 years ago, they were doing it to create an artificial shortage and create false headlines about EV "Sales"
Just shows what garbage electric cars are. The ipace is ok I suppose but it has too many drawbacks including a tendency to catch fire. I run an F Pace SVR and it is way superior to the ipace of which I have driven several. Such a shame Jaguar have ceased to exist
I appologise, but that's a garbage response. If you listen to Barrie's video's you'd know that EV's themselves aren't garbage, it's what's been forced to happen to the sales market.
EVs are less likely to catch fire than ICE cars.
EVs 0.001%
ICE 0.1%
@@mikewhitehead50Exactly. Same with Geoff Buys Cars and indeed me. Had market forces been allowed to drive evolution of the outcomes, all would be well. Ultimately it’s POLITICS that is radically pushing the market into what’s going to turn into a death spiral for the mass manufacturers of ICE vehicles. I believe that is the objective, to deprive most of us of privately-owned, liquid fuel-powered vehicles.
I am often surprised how few people have heard of The Great Reset, the UN2030 Sustainable Development Goals and of “15 minute communities”. Considerable resources have been invested in this huge project, to change the energy mix for private cars. The motives are entirely malign and wholly political. Why so few people can see this is beyond me.
The financial damage wrought upon most of the long established European car corporations is so severe that even VW is briefing investment bank like Jefferies to the effect that are likely to be forced to shutter up to nine plants and lay off tens of thousands of skilled workers, in an to stave off ruin. None of this is hard to predict. Some of us have been pointing these things out for years and chickens are finally coming home to roost.
I expect niche manufacturers of very highly priced ICE cars will survive, because they haven’t been required to bet the farm on a white elephant project. As for the rest, expect a dog leg downwards on new ICE vehicle availability, price increases which will keep those on lower incomes off the road. In time, various initiatives from government will, I anticipate, push many middle income families into EVs. We’re not quite at the irreversible point, I think, or at least it’s uncertain where we are, but I do we’re very close to the “event horizon” for the automotive sector. Historically, recognizing the central part played by automotive in the economies of The West, policymakers would never have allowed things to reach this point across the sector. Something has changed and you don’t need to look very hard to find that something. Davos.
@@mr4kids.866That’s not true. Latest statistics from Australia show that despite low numbers, EVs are yielding much higher claims caused by fires. EV fires cannot be extinguished because they liberate their own oxidants and become the reactions are exothermic.
So you cannot suffocate the EV fire or put it out by cooling.
ICE fires tend to develop much more slowly and are initially limited to low volumes of fuel, because the amount of fuel in the engine compartment is low. As a they’re relatively easy to extinguish by depriving it of oxygen or by cooling.
@@GT380man
Ok.
Read your own reply again!!!!
“that despite low numbers”
How many EV fires were involving a battery problem.
You are quoting insurance claims costs. Not the statistics of potential to catch fire.
🤡
Depreciation is a factor of market forces.
1. As china established the supply chain costs for batteries and electronic crashed
2. Incentive harvesting where OEM do not pass the full value of the incentives by inflating retail price
3. Innovation causing cars like smartphones to depreciate faster due not more desirable features coming out monthly
4. Less servicing forcing OEM to load more cost upfront especially dealers who make money from oil and timing changes
Madness Barrie. Only here in batshit Britain. Only 19 years in trade. I hear your 50 year in motor train pain. Thats one killer innings. All best from sunny, sorry. Wet Cheshire
Cheers, right now imn looking at the torrential rain out of my window too
Quentin W⚓️ will be calling you a right wing conspiratorial hack for the clear facts, he'll deem them wrong and false like the good little shill he's become 😂😂
to be honest, I've never ever liked him
I couldn’t help a wry smile when this video was proceeded by a Polestar advertisement. 🤣
@@Cotictimmy that’s my retirement fund 😂
Ive recently bought an ipace 20 reg. 40k on the clock for £19,900. HSE spec, immaculate condition. It is a proper Jag.
In the last five years, ive owned a 370 z nismo. A Maserati Quattroporte 4.7 sport. A BMW M4. An XF 3.0D portfolio. An XJR. An F-Type 340 R-Dynamic. An XES black edition. An Audi S5. An Audi TTS Mk 2. A Cupra 290. A mini Cooper Works. And more still.
Yes. I have genuinely owned, loved, spent petrol and diesel enjoying these cars.
Anyone who thinks an equivalent I-Pace at its current price is a hunk of junk is of their rocker.
It’s a bloody used bargain that properly goes and measures up in many ways better than most of the above. Best of all it costs just a few quid to charge the wall mounted charger I've installed at home for a couple hundred miles range.
For a car nut. I am converted.
Yes i have a driveway. Yes, i live 9 miles from the office. But there are millions like me. It just makes sense.
Is this you Quentin...?
@@dodgerboe No. A regular punter, who isn’t trolling and sneering on UA-cam. Loving cars. Loving life.
100% AGREE .. with this
Althought my car history isn't quite as exotic, i'm in the same boat. Once you know an EV works for you, it's very difficult to get anything other.
@@mikewhitehead50 What surprised me about the i-pace is that you quickly forget you are driving electric. The build quality is outstanding, handles superbly and so long as you only use public chargers occasionally is cheap to run. It actually feels like an F-Type but in a higher seat position and costs me the same to insure, about £720 for 12 months as did some of the other cars I've owned. It really is a bit of a no brainer.
Hating against EV's seems a bit daft to me. Don't get me wrong, I've tried the Polestar, my boss has one, the i5 and e-tron but they feel like electric tech shoved into an ice car platform. The Tesla feels very utilitarian and spartan. Can't get my head round the center console.
The i-pace has proper knobs and switches as well as digital displays. It was built from the ground up with Jag heritage and styling but on an original EV platform. I think its stunning personally a real triumph.
It is a car hugely overlooked but is more than EV. It points to the future in an impressive way.
Yes we can debate sales and consumer impressions but none of this seems to matter when you are enjoying the car.
Incoming tax changes, increase in fast charging prices and the honeymoon period of the technology fading are going to make them ever harder to shift to private buyers I think.
Oh and insurance... 900 quid for an e-niro i got quoted! insane. My 700hp Vxr8 costs me 500 quid. Make it make sense.
@dandylion1987 it can't make sense to any sane person. There's too much manipulation via the taxpayer & dealer pre registered cars.
Excellent point, one I have made on numerous occasions to EV people. They are quick to quote cheap overnight charging (if you have a drive) and the very quick 0-60 with instantaneous torque (who cares). They are looking at the immediate math, not the total cost of ownership over 3-4 years where EVs cost more.
Vauxhall dealer back in the Late 80's and used car key safes......we had a salesman renting out stock as weekend nightime transport for his criminal mates using a keysafe master he had obtained. Also there was some scam taking deposits with a fake deposit book,although I couldn't work out how he did that unless he was creating two order forms.....mind you that was back in the day when they were hand written.
I saw on UA-cam a Tesla owner saying that you only account for depreciation at the time you sell the car. Standing on a railway track it only “hurts” when the train hits you but you can bloody well see it coming.
Take into account also that one of our friends got an ID4, the tyres cost a fortune and lasts only 1/3 of my tyres due to construction and the cars obesity. He pays more in tyres per mile than I do in petrol! Christ… 😮
2 years ago I faced a dilema . My 7 series Beamer had gone to the scrap yard as the electronic bugs proved too much to repair and I wanted a good reliable luxury car to commute from North Wales to Shropshire every week . A Tesla ?? or a Vintage Japanese imported RHD 1992 Series 3 Daimler |V12 with zero miles in fact a NOS car that had been in a showroom in Japan all its life . I chose the Daimler , paid £20k and couldnt have been more right in my decision after recomissioning for UK roads , I have enjoyed glorious motoring returning 20 mpg . By contrast a Tesla would have cost £60k plus , and been valueless by now , whilst my Daimler is still worth £20k .
good call
I bought my I-Pace 4 years ago thinking I'd have a car that would hold it's value solidly. How wrong I was, it's value has fallen through the floor. I can't afford to sell it and I'm praying it stays reliable. It a great shame as the car is fantastic, it drives beautiful, is a real looker and its performance is startling. It just goes to show how a bad press can damage a cars reputation.
I loved the 2 iPaces i have had, the good thing is that if you keep it the depreciation will level out, JLR have lots of bad press people seem to go out of their way to put them down, but we still sell plenty
I did a bit of digging after Barrie's last EV video about pre-registered Volvo EX-30 EVs. There's pages and pages of these for sale at around the £35k mark. However, posing as someone who's looking to buy two (one for me, one for a fictitious wife), after some not very arduous haggling, I could have had two for £50k the pair at three separate dealers. They are so desperate to get rid of them, they didn't even talk down to me when I offered them £20k initially; they were so polite, and so happy to talk. So if I can buy a brand new pre-registered vehicle for £25k each, what is a 3 year old example with 30k going to be worth? Diddly squat is what I'm thinking.
wow, thats amazing
@@BarrieCrampton I could hardly believe it myself. I came out the motor trade 20 odd years ago, and crikey, I've never seen anything like it. My sales manager would have kicked my arse for doing that. To be fair, I called towards the end of the month when sales staff need to meet their targets, said I had no part-ex, cash buyer, no finance needed, didn't mind if the car had been in stock for 12 months or so; I just wanted two EX-30s for immediate delivery, flexible over colour, and that my budget was £40k to £50k. They practically bit my hand off.
WARNING: Don't anyone be tempted. This was just a phone chat to entice me down to the dealer. The price will go up, and the vehicles they're willing to let me have will probably have been in stock a VERY long time. They'll probably try all sorts of trick to get me on a finance deal, where they make serious money. This is not a good deal. Trust me.
I like a Barrie reminiscent story. I want to hear more. Turn it in to a series.
Thank you, its actually something I've been thinking of doing
You lost me on this one .... 🤔
You need a SuperCharger or Battery Replacement
Sorry
no one buys a new ipace ?
i love my skoda enyaq coupe vrs .
had for 3 months and not reached £40 in electricity .
and after owning 28 ice cars from my first car ,
mk1 1600 gt capri , its a lovely change to drive an electric
car , so smooth , so quite , so fast .......
im glad I've owned one before i pop my cloggs ......
i have never bought with a lease and would not know
how ? i have and will always pay cash .
bought the skoda as a managers car less than
6 months old with 2000 miles on it , retail
55k , i paid 35k , i know i will loose but thats just motoring
for you .................
unless i keep it until i die then i haven't
lost a penny ..............
kept looking at ipace and they are the one of the biggest
depreciation , then a lot ( maybe early ones seem to have a
lot of problems with the battery ) i think when people
get wind of that its going to loose more .
have always said if it seems too good too be true ,
it probably is.
When the I-Pace goes wrong & they do go wrong, repair cost are in the £thousands, ask any JLR DLR how many I-Pace's they have in waiting for repairs, then you will get a true picture of their reliability, most JLR DLR's will not even take them in p/ex or if they do they will bid extremely low, the used values have quite literally fallen through the floor🤔
The gullible idiots that buy EVs only look at fuel as a cost, not depreciation, insurance and other costs. You hear the same thing from them all "its costing me £20 a week"
There certainly are a lot of tedious old duffers whining louder than an old milk float about the cost of being an early adopter at the moment. 😆
Great EV analogy, Milk Float 👍 thanks for watching you really listened, took it all in, then went straight for the insults, thank you, you and other condescending EV people like you are one of the biggest reasons why EV’s aren’t selling 👍
@@BarrieCrampton you really are a bit dim if you thought buying a new, novel, product wouldn't be a costly experience. 🙄
out of the two of us, you make an usherettes torch look bright 😂
@@BarrieCrampton not got a tedious analogy about the blackout? 🙄
Funny you should say that, it gives me an idea for my next video, thanks, make sure you like and subscribe so you don't miss it 👍
But who is buying ev's new? Most will pcp or lease or better still, wait for the lease firms to sell them on.
Yeah I noticed the newish ipace was a bargin, compared to my 5 year old jag p300.
Csn I ask have car parts quadrupled in price,all my mates have shocking tales of parts needed and not hundreds but thousands 😮
the problem is that the battery takes up most of the car, and if that gets damaged then it s probably a right off
Brilliant Sublime BC thank you 👏👏👏🚘🎞 G. [ Chartered Engineer ]
Glad you enjoyed it
Cheers Barrie, great to hear your motor trade stories mate. Keep up the great honest work 😊
Thanks, will do!
But the EV pushers will say that now that we can take advantage of used EVs being so cheap, it’s all worth it and a bargain 🙄🤡🤣
yes but if EV's rapidly depreciate from new, then people will stop buying new ones, and then there wont be any used bargains
@@BarrieCrampton exactly. But they are too deep in the EV cult to comprehend that.
There are fibs on both sides Barrie. The Quentin’s of the world who exaggerate break and tyre life and dealers who exaggerate range etc. They’ll leave buyers disappointed and potentially with buyers remorse, and more used EV’s hit the market.
Then there’s anti-EV fibs, such as making out there’s a 50/50 chance the car will set alight, or need a new battery in 5 years. This disinformation is responsible for stopping EV’s getting into the hands of suitable and unsuitable customers alike.
The story at the start typifies what many people think of dealerships. As for his comments on EVs, well let’s just say it’s like talking to one of the sales people in the showroom. They really know nothing. Why you say? Because they aren’t trained properly and the cars they talk about, they never drive for more than a couple of thousand miles. 25 miles to the gallon out of a 6 cylinder Jag. Not a clue!
@@markevans5892 and yet I’ve had 3 Jag F types, but yeah it’s me that doesn’t have a clue, your take on the information that a 4 year old Ftype has lost £18000 more than a 2 year old ipace, and all you can do is question the mpg to rationalise it 😂 if the cars were the same age it would be a heck of a lot more, not a clue 😂
@@BarrieCramptonyou said cost to run. So fuel servicing and insurance. You have to be clear!
insurance is different for everyone so as a variable can’t be taken into account, they both need servicing, and despite what people claim the costs are about the same, and even if not I only calculated fuel for the Jag F Type not one single drop of electric for the iPace so I think I was more than fair, especially if you can’t wait for 39 hours for the iPace to charge and you have to go to a fast charger, then it would be even worse, trust me I’m impartial I just want people to have their eyes open when they buy an EV and dispel the myths that these EV shills are pushing
Servicing is rubbish mate. I have a BMW iX3 I’ve done 40k in 2.5 years. Had a set of tyres at 34k and the only service needed has been a brake fluid change, oh and a set of wiper blades. Try doing the same for the petrol/diesel equivalent.
Also go and look at Norway where EV is 94% of all new sales. There ICE prices are completely the opposite to ours they have gone through the floor where EV values are holding firm. Just goes to show that it’s naysayers like you that are holding the EV market back.
😂 you are really bent out of shape aren’t you, I am just correcting EV shill miss information, I have 2 EVs myself and they are brilliant, which bit of that can you not grasp? @@markevans5892
All youve shown is dont buy new like clever people have allways known. Then as YOU SAID on goeff buys cars . Quote drive 200 miles for the price of a gallon of petrol. EV is then far far cheaper ..PS im not an ev evangelist i drive a diesel but im right
Cost of driving as you lay it out can be cheaper. Home charging & drives well inside maximum range.
But depreciation cannot be ignored and dominates the all in price per mile traveled.
I currently have an EV on a PCP - I'm about 5 months away from paying off 50% of the total (incl interest). As it stands it will save me to VT the deal, and try to buy my car back at auction, or another of similar spec. Second hand EVs are great value now - a sub £20k iPace is a hell of a lot of car! I'm lucky as I can charge at home; if not I'd stick to petrol.
Thanks for sharing, yes thats a good fallback position
Wow that ended quick, you didn’t even give me a chance for a come back. It seems like you are arguing a case for not buying a new Jaguar EV, it’s a bit of a stretch to assume all models of EV depreciate like that. Your exhaust sounds blown to me to, I’d suggest you take it to a mechanic, I like to be able to talk to my passenger or listen to the radio myself. 😂
Ha, I put a microphone on the exhaust, that’s outside, inside it out purrs
@@BarrieCrampton That explains it. So it’s pedestrians you’re impressing when you drive by. I see those when I’m out for a lunchtime walk, sometimes the driver makes it bang as they drive past, doesn’t half make me jump. I use noise cancelling headphones now though.
Of course they all depreciate like a dropped brick.
@@st200olThey’re ridiculous in my opinion. The fuel injection has been remapped to what’s called a “pop & bang map”.
They otherwise will never make those noises!