BEST RTR Upgrade Radio System? Futaba 4PM Unbox / First Look / Compare
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2019
- Upgrading your RTR radio system will make a BIG difference in your driving capability and the overall connectivity to your RC. Radio Control is in the name and Futaba has been there since day 1!
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What radio are you using? 🤔
4pv
4pv and magnum sport
artronocs m8 limited edition
Just got a fly sky gt5, really pleased with it so far.
I just got my 7px in the mail yesterday and haven't even used it yet!!!!
I just ordered mine a week ago! Can't wait :) Thank you for the review.
Nice! Let us know what you think!
@@TheRCNetwork Got it. Great and using it with Arrma Kraton V4
I got the 4pls and love it so far. Don't really need an up grade yet!
Great Video, I am using a 4PV right now but as its having some issues I have been looking at this radio as a replacement. Good to get a good look at it before i have to drop the hammer and get one. Thank you for such a comprehensive review. 👍👍👍👍
Thanks Rich for tuning in. Always glad to help out - one of the reasons I started the channel - as my local shop couldn't tell me if wires were included in a Tekin ESC back in the day
Awesome job..love your videos, would you be able to do some videos that explain 2wd bugy setup and how changes actually effect it on the track
Have the 4pm. Great radio. Nice review
Thanks for stopping by!
Looks pretty nice. My old 4pls is giving me fits. It might be time for and upgrade.
It would be a nice upgrade from the 4PLS
Really nice radio 🤩 As a basher the 3pv is all I really need. The S-FHSS receivers are ridiculously fast for me, can't imagine the new ones 😱
Yeah, the 3PV gives a ton of bang for $100 - you honestly can't beat it. The main reason to goto the 4PM and up is the ease of getting into the menus vs the 3PV
I like Futaba I have a 7PX and a 4PLS ..I mainly use the 7PX but with to addition of the Capra to my fleet I use the 4PLS because it has a true 3 position switch for the dig unit
Nice! yeah, I really like my 7PX - it's so easy to jump into certain setting and make quick changes. I do wish it had a true 3 position switch though
Nice buddy good stuff
Thanks Mike!
Nice tune:) I Spectrum fan running a dx-5 on my equipment
Nice! Thanks for stopping by!
New to rc vehicles. Picked up a 4pm a couple weeks ago and so far so good.
Been through the manual a few times and can’t figure out how to run D/R. I have a Futaba T7C for planes and it’s a assigned switch for D/R.
Anybody know how to switch back and forth, normal to D/R? 🤔🤔
4PLS and 4PV. The 4PLS is normally used by my son or my wife😉when they join me driving. I/we have 3 cars so actually I want a third one. I have a feeling that Futaba is losing ground compared to Spectrum, what do you mean? But since I have many Futaba recievers, I’ll stick to Futaba I think. 7PX LE is the dream...
Thanks dear friend
I miss your video
Thanks buddy for stopping by!
Nice review
Thanks!
I have the 4PM and Use 3 Energizer Lithiums and They last months for My Use!
yeah, it all depends on how often it's used, how many cars, etc
I love my Futaba 4GRS
Yep, it's a great one!
At times I'd really like a clip to hook to the belt or pocket. And a little water resistants of some kind in a controller.
Hi! I ran into the same issue some years ago ☺️ I fixed it by buying and fitting a belt clip from an old Milwaukee drill I had. Hope this helps!
Would this work to control a 1/6 scale RC tank with two motors? ESC mixing? Comparing this to a DX5 Pro.
Yeah, sure...I would say you'll have a bit better experience withe the Futaba vs. the Spektrum
I really like the 4PM. The button layout works well for a dig unit and the aux set up on the Mamba. I've been using a 2100mAh 6.6 LiFe.
Nice! Yes, I'm planing to use this radio for my crawlers
nice review. just wish they included the better receiver.
Lg Phone I found a link after the video....for $40 more, they have a kit with the SR receiver
How wou,d the 4PM do in a heads-up ( price, reliability, build quality, latency, sensors, telemetry. etc ) against SPEKTRUM 's DX-5PRO ?
Price - similar, Reliability - Much Better, Build Quality - Much Better, Latency - Lightening years ahead, sensors - similar, telemetry, similar. Honestly, my first radio upgrade was a DX2s....then the DX3r-Pro (back in the day). Once I got some of the Futaba's, I was blown away mostly for the latency improvement, build quality and overall reliability. I could care less about sensors and telemetry...it's cool, but I never used it
I am seriously looking at this radio I have a RTR kyosho nitro controller.
It's a great option for a mid-line upgraded radio
Great radio (and video) but for those looking for a replacement for their RTR, lots of choices for less money. I'd say this is more for the intermediate club racer or serious basher. Thanks for the video!
What is the range distance for this radio for ripping around with a combo trail-crawler/ light basher? Well done informative video. Just worried the lower power (3 compared to 4 AA batteries) will give less distance range resulting in an unwanted runaway. Keep up the great and helpful videos. They are greatly appreciated as I am researching new RC equipment from scratch. I have nothing now and wish to purchase quality so I only have to buy once and not have to spend extra $$$ to make it work the way I want and not suck the bank dry and not repair or upgrade all the time. Thank you
Great minds think alike! I too would rather spend my money on calculated purchases vs. wasting money on poorly designed products - which is why I started the channel. My first $80 I spent at my local shop was a set of Integy piggyback shocks for the Traxxas Slash 4x4 (over 10 years ago now) . What a terrible example of shocks! As for the range - I haven't used the 4PM yet - literally filmed this last night. I can say that Futaba makes great stuff, and from my 3PV to my 7PX, the range is never an issue like (Spektrum😬) others. I've used my 4PV for my bashers, and literally I can barely see the thing and it's still connected!
@@TheRCNetwork Thank you and keep me posted on how it does with the range. I had a Futaba before and only drove my car at races. It would glitch bad at the far corners. It had a problem right from square one. After the summer season of races was over some of us got together to run in a big factory parking lot. It got about 40 feet from me and flat out did a run away!all the way to the other end of the parking lot and under the locked fences of the frozen nitrogen and Oxygen containers for the factory. Luckily it didn't break and it got back under control of the radio again when I got close to it. It stopped face first into the cement pad for the 30' tall tanks. We saw it flip wildly after it went in but still landing on wheels and full throttle into the pad where it burned and smoked the tires down till I got close enough. Sure glad the smoke was from the tires. The local hobby shop sent it back. Futaba was in contact with the hobby shop about it. Months later the shop finally got a response asking if the radio was shipped back because they couldn't find it. We said no and a few months later Futaba gave up looking for it and sent a new one. It was almost a year after. We had our first child in the meantime so I never put the new receiver in and never ran an RC since. 30 years later and disabled I would like to start back into the hobby I enjoyed to try and have some fun with what remaining life I have. That's why it's important to me to get quality on a budget that I can enjoy and no money pits. Thanks for your great reviews!
P.S. the radio's had removable crystal's in them and it didn't take much to interfere with them. lol. Have a great day and I look forward to your follow up and future videos 😀
Hey David - the radios now are pretty fool proof, as far as interference. I've ran all the brands and have stuck with Futaba now. Initially I was sold on Spektrum, till I had range issues and other receiver bound issues. Then Sanwa was the ticket until I saw how much receivers were - $70-$120 each. Futaba was the sweet spot of nearly zero latency, range and affordable receivers - as I use them in all my RC's. I use the 7PX for racing, the 4PV for my bashers and the 4PM will be for my crawlers.
@@TheRCNetwork Futaba was #1 when I got it. I only used it at races, I never "played" with it at all. I took 6 months deciding on what to buy from radio to car. It was calculated for speed, durability, and to ultimately play with it at home when not being used for racing. I chose the Kyosho Turbo Ultima 2wd buggy. No upgrades needed. I knew it wasn't a road car but the RC club at the time was talking about making 2 dirt tracks and I could use it in my back yard where I couldn't use a road car at all. I am glad I got that car as it still did very good on the parking lots as where I live the freezing snowy winters make them rough and the buggy breezed over them better than a lot of road cars could. I'm now disabled and would really like to get a hobby that I can still physically try to do that brings joy to my life. I enjoyed building the buggy kit and would like another kit. I'm leaning towards bashing and some trail crawling. I really would like to have some fun with what life I have remaining. I have been watching the huge following of the XMaxx. Sadly it is just to big and heavy for me to carry if it breaks with my disability. I'm interested in what I've been seeing on the Tekno MT410 1/10 scale truck. I'm not planning on heavy bashing but would like to do some jumps and I have some steep Hills at my house that could have some obstacles put on for some light not serious crawling. I can't walk well of any distance so I think I could have some fun at home with the hills I have for jumping and some non serious crawling. Do you have any suggestions and do you know if Kyosho makes a comparable MT410? Your help would be helpful. I'm picky about my equipment and believe that quality can cost less in the long run over quantity with much needed upgrades and the high expenses involved. I also would prefer a kit so I know how to work on it and it gives me something to do this winter. I'm not able to get around most days so it's not going to be a 1 day job for me but I do want the satisfaction when completed. Sorry so long but I really liked your review and value your opinion
Can i use the r334sbs with my existing servo its a savox sw1211
Sure, should be fine....just make sure your ESC's BEC is set to handle the voltage the 1211 desires
Any 3rd party servo that's compatible with sr receiver (to use SR)?
I would doubt it...it will be proprietary like S-Bus
Do u feel the PM is better than the pls I have the pls but looking to add another radio for racing was just gonna grab another pls but this pm seem nice also.
I think so. You'll get the new operating interface of Futaba's latest transmitters. Plus SR capability with the 4PM - they do have a SR package for about $40 more. I didn't see that till I finished the video
@@TheRCNetwork what is this sr do I was in a 5 year break give or take and wam so much new stuff out high amp charge rates and so forth. Feel kinda lost now and outdated on the info.
@@LittlefootAdventures SR is "Super response" or nearly zero latency. You'll feel more connected with the car.
@@TheRCNetwork thank you I will probably just order one and give the kid the pls thank you for your time
You're not dead!
Nope, better check that subscription - been uploading again!
@@TheRCNetwork I'm subbed for sure Rich. Always have been. Glad to see you uploading again.
@@thegooniverse495 I appreciate it, buddy! Go back and check out some of the videos you missed
Would you recommend the 4pm to a newbie for short course 4x4 brushless? If not what other radios? The truck will be a fresh build Tekno RC 410.3 SCT using hobby wing power system (XeRun xr8 plus and 3660 g2 3200kv in a full sensored setup), a high end Savox Servo, and a few other mods (metal diff cases, chassis braces, badlands tires, and full option shocks)... using it both for racing on weekends and bashing... but mostly bashing... I love the videos especially with electronics and the Tekno models (I love that Tekno 410 sct and dream of getting one!! But at $2300-$3000 way I want it... it’s gonna be a while maybe)
Yes, the 4PM would be ideal for the Tekno. It will have everything you need and then some. See if you can find the upgraded version with the SR compatible receiver - you will see a slight difference in speed (of the radio system)
The RCNetwork and how about adding in the Protek RC 170SBL for a steering servo? Of course I will use a quality aluminum Servo horn as I wonder which one to use... a short or long one as Protek RC has long and short Servo horn versions in several colors... and for the 4pm just the futaba 304SB would be all I want as I prefer the antenna over an antenna less design... less worries about interference in what would be such a high powered model for me... a video on driving tips and whatnot from using brushed systems converting to brushless systems would be a great for everyone to learn from too
The 170SBL is a great servo for the Tekno...and no issues with the 4PM. Grab the Tekno specific Aluminum horn for the SCT410 - it's the perfect geometry and is the only needed upgrade for Teknos
The RCNetwork thanks Rich! I’ll be sure to swap that into my list... the Tekno branded aluminum clamping Servo horn just for Tekno vehicles
Aaron Cavanaugh this one: www.amainhobbies.com/tekno-rc-aluminum-single-sided-clamping-servo-horn-25t-tkr5253b/p479552?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsc7Kjq2b5wIVDMNkCh2gtA7vEAQYAiABEgK6KPD_BwE
Which Radio is more precise: this futaba ot a dx5c??
Futaba, hands down. You get better range with Futaba radios.
Hi.. have you change the battery to life/lipo pack??
Yep, the ones in my video description work
@@TheRCNetwork wow sorry i didn't see that.. thanks for the reply 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Any reason to swap from the 4PLS?
Nope! Stick with it or upgrade directly to the 7PX. I have both 4PLS and 4PV, not THAT big difference.
This is a good Radio
It really is!
I go for a Sanwa mt44 :)
Also a great radio - I had the MT4 back in the day
Sanwa MT44 or Futaba 4PM??? Wich one you guys preffer?
Tough one - Both great remotes. The interface of menus are better on the Futaba and the receivers are also cheaper on Futaba.....which is why I switched. Performance wise, they're very close
I have Traxxas with TSM would I lose my TSM using this transmitter?
Yes, the TSM is basically a gyro built in to the receiver. To run the 4PM, you'll have to use the included Futaba receiver. You can add a Gyro if you wanted, but honestly, TSM, DSM, AVC, etc are all not needed in 4wd vehicles
Great job rich pretty sexy and I bet it’s smooth as a Cadillac
Thanks Lou! What's new?
The RCNetwork just the same Ol’ bud and just still catching up on all the rcnetwork videos
Can use for Tt-02?
Yes, of course!
I got the 4PV from AMain on "special". Didn't know the 4PV was being discontinued, and can't get any support from futaba!🤬 Great radio, but guess futaba bumped it for this model, which is not nearly as powerful. Got 40 model memory ssr, and a larger screen, so not disappointed with the radio itself, just the lack of support or resources.
Regardless of being discontinued, the 4PV should still be under Futaba's warranty - and pretty affordable repair (if out of warranty) . I had my wheel fixed on my 4PX a while back, and it was way out of warranty - they charged me $49 to repair/replace some parts.
I have the 4PV, and don't see anything on the 4PM worth upgrading for. The menu's "almost" identical, the 4PV has bigger screen, and while "on paper" the SR seems nice, but in reality, not many will ever notice the difference. Its the elitist mentality...its new, it must be better. What they are doing is called "planned obsolescence". They can't make any money if you keep the same radio for a long time. They FORCE you to upgrade to keep the cash flow going. Same with most anything you buy today. Or course, this is just my opinion. Everyone will look at this differently.
Some of the options are switched around, but watch this video ua-cam.com/video/qY0p0_ztUnc/v-deo.html and see for yourself.
@@Nitro4x4 There is a difference with the SR - I use it on the 7PX with my race buggies. It takes more expensive receivers, but there is a difference. I think I pointed out the main differences on the 4PV vs. the 4PM - but one thing I left out was the price difference - $279 on the 4PV vs $229 on the 4PM - that's $50 Even the SR equiped 4PM (I found that after the video) is $269, which is still less than the 4PV. Also, checking the link you left is handy...I posted the 4PV release in October 2016 - exactly 3 years ago. I think that's a healthy time period for a replacement model like the 4PM
What's the user functionality difference between 4pm and 4pv?
Not much besides the SR mode that comes with the 4PM. The ergonomics are better in the 4PV...other than that, nearly identical
@@TheRCNetwork Nope ! 4pm you can update via SD card and 4pv you can't
I have an Spektrum DX5 Pro, with 5 channels, 5.5ms frame rate, 3 position switch and a POT, 250 models memory, SD card and for the same price!
But it is a Spektrum....😉 Last Spektrum I ran was the DX3rPro, which was the be all end all for Spektrum in the day - nearly $350 at the time and I tested a MT4 from Sanwa ($199) and it blew the Spektrum away. Futaba is similar with latency but more affordable receivers over Sanwa
The Spektrum quality just isn't on par with Futaba and Sanwa.
What should I choose, 4 px or 4 pv or 4 pm?I want to use it on wltoys 144001.
Only the 4PM is still in production - the 4PX was replaced by the 7PX and the 4PV was replaced by the 4PM. The 4PM would be a great RTR upgraded radio system....far too much radio for a toy grade like the WL Toys cars
@@TheRCNetwork Thanks a lot for sharing
@@TheRCNetwork I am going to make world best wltoys. I will add brushless motor, strong servo,4s lipo, full metal upgrade, fpv, futaba 4 pm, drag race wheelie bar and oil filled shocks!!
Does anyone know if there is a wheel dropdown option for this radio?
I searched and didn't see a specific 4PM version - I'd drop a line to FutabaUSA regarding the 4PV drop down being compatible
@@TheRCNetwork Thanks! I emailed and no response in 3 weeks unfortunately. I just sent another email, hopefully they respond this time.
Edit: they did get back to me today and unfortunately the wheel is permanently attached as is.
I have one great radio so far, those batteries you tagged dont work for the new 4pm
The manual referred to that Futaba battery....and it's listed on the link as compatible. the Protek, I use in my 7PX
@@TheRCNetwork I just checked amain to verify and the protek listed doesn't show 4pm however it does show 4pv. The futaba one I actually had in my hand at the track and it too large for the 3 cell space. I'm sure with some trimming or modification other batteries will work..
@@TheRCNetwork send what I found to your inbox
@@payscue189 Here's Futaba's listing for that battery: Lithium Ferrite Battery for 3PV, 4GRS, 4PK, 4PKS, 4PKS-R, 4PL, 4PLS, 4PM, 4PV, 4PX, 4PX-R, 6J, 6K, 7PX, 7PX LE, 8J, 10J, 12K, 14SG, 16SZ, 18SZ, 18SZ 70th Anniversary (UBA0135) NOTE: This is for TRANSMITTER use ONLY. - The manual also stated the 1700mah version will work too. The Protek item description most likely hasn't been updated to reflect the 4PM
I'll stick with alkaline batteries- they last a long time and I keep a few spares in my tool kit in case they die. One less battery pack to charge!
Can I program more then one car ?
Yes, of course - usually about 50 cars on these can be programmed. You'll need a Futaba receiver in each vehicle
I totally felt that plastic coming off.....
Hmmm newest eh had mine for a while can’t say it’s that new
Good for you...not too many video up on the Tube for the 4PM though...
Lipo 2s safe to use for t4pm?
Most Futaba's run Life batteries....they run at 6.6v, I believe
Thank's for your information
4PM or DX5 Pro?
Futaba over Spektrum any day of the week - you'll see a significant improvement in latency when running the SR mode
How is the battery life
I haven't had it long enough to test, but it seems like most things these days, Futaba has made the electronics efficient enough to run off of lower voltage and keep the run time
It chews through AA batteries. If you use a LiFe pack it lasts forever.
Can I buy this and then bind to any car?
Yep, it comes with a receiver for Futaba radios. Install the receiver in he car and you’re set. Then, if you get any other RC’s, just buy additional Futaba receivers and bind to the same remote
@@TheRCNetwork Appreciate you taking the time man, thanks.
I'm still annoyed that the 4PV was dropped to allow the 4PM to be brought in :/
Lame.....
It's bound to happen. I had the 4PX and loved it....till I got the 7PX. The one thing I noticed, but couldn't verify was that the 4PV was not SR compatible
@@TheRCNetwork It has FHSS "Hi", I use it on my Rc8b3.1e with R304SBS reciever, futaba s9352hv servo, Tekin RX8/T8. Or is SR "Super Response" different than TFHSS HI?
yeah and its a lower end model that costs about 10-20$ more....it was just a money grab after the collapse of Hobbico and they were forced to reboot their distribution and website for sales.
Dylan Chadderton that’s basically False. Futaba was never owned by Hobbico....they had distribution exclusivity in the US. That’s it. The 4PV came out 3 years ago (Oct 2016 - check my video) and it retailed for $279 vs 229 on the 4PM. 😁
@@TheRCNetwork ok my fault on the Hobbico part but the 4PM is definetly a downgrade from the 4PV...that's just a fact. Now for the numbers i am going off of AMain and Futaba USA. AMain lists the 4PM for 269.99, i believe it was, at one point 289.99. I work at a hobby store so i remember pricing the item when it first came out. Either way we are splitting hairs here for 10 or 20 dollars. Bottom line is that it is essentially a lower quality/cheaper radio for the same price for all intents and purposes. It feels much more cheesy in the hand than the 4PV and the screen is factually smaller than the 4PM. I'm not saying its a bad radio, its just a lower quality version for about the same dollar amount.
Does Futaba have any time of gyro receiver that is compatible with this radio? (Yeah yeah learn to drive.)
Here's Futaba's current surface Gyros - they're compatible with the 4PM: futabausa.com/product-category/gyros/surface-gy/
4pm was a let down compared to the 4pv. One of my friends bought the 4pm, and I was completely disappointed.
What specifically were you disappointed with about the 4PM?
@@edge1324 the fact you couldn't add a drop down to the wheel, and just the overall feel. The 4pm feels real cheap in the hand. Almost like you.might break it. The 4pv feels more heavy duty and luxury
Yup you are correct, 4PV is a solid level higher than the 4PM.
4PV it is then...
They're hard to find, except in Asia/Japan
3:09 That was sexy
😂😂😂😂
Thanks, I guess....
Hell yeah. Futaba 4 Life
ALL THESE COMPLAINTS WHEN IT'S MORE THE DRIVER, THAN IT IS THE RADIO YOU'RE USING....
smh.
Yeah, some are legitimate,, most are not....
Music is horrible, sorry had to say
Ebutuoy gosh, I hope you didn’t come here for the music 😬. Keep in mind, UA-cam only allows non-copyright music. As much as I’d love to have some Metallica or IceCube on my videos, it would get flagged and potentially the channel would get demonetized and shut down for too many copyright strikes.
The RCNetwork I know. Just trying to help. I think there other choices but hey no big deal...
Lmfao if you need a lanyard for your pistol grip control you also need to go lift a womans 5lb dumb bell 😉😉😜😂🤣😅
🍻cheers🥃
Yeah, I don't rock a lanyard...😉but some people do...🤪