@@JplayerBlr To be honest, I like using model F especially the buster edit function. And in advent, it is more useful if using Ashe since her bombs have more utility.
@@ventusse Its the fastest way to beat the first phase of the final boss as Grey though, so I'm hard pressed to say its more useful for Ashe than Grey.
@@TotallyCluelessGamer I think for the general gameplay, Ashe is a little bit better than Grey. Though I would admit, Grey's model H, model L, and model ZX is better than Ashe's.
I always already had a few ideas for improvement to PX, but I just started ZX Advent the other day for the first time and frankly I am a bit.. horrified by what they've done to model P hahaha
@@Meta_XZ After watching you, I tried to "no damage" some bosses with Model P... don't even need to say how painful is to deal with aerial bosses. Ground bosses are ok, I guess. Only Model H, ZX and A can deal damage consistently. ZX is so OP that I don't have fun using it, fortunately Model H is more balanced. Even though I miss Brokenado :p
Now I am curious how you'll deal woth the nerf. Losing Overdrive is not had but with The Shuriken being a Grey exclusive I wonder how you'll assassinate bosses with Ashe. Wish Ashe got the Shuriken instewd hahaha.
@@HajimotoSaito Model P is just so bad I don't think I'll be making any cool videos with it anytime soon. The loss of overdrive is pretty bad and even with Grey having the shuriken, in ZXA it takes so long to charge (lvl2 instead of lvl1) that it's too slow to even combo into it from the kunai. And Ashe's shield would be pretty neat if the orbitals combod into each other cause you would still be able to combo them with kunai, but, the first orbital deals its tiny damage then triggers s lol. It's really depressing... I even used action replay codes to make it so I can actually combo kunai into shuriken but even then it's just not as interesting without overdrive, shield, and shadow dash
Model X may be the easiest to use but its damage is very much outclassed by ZX with some spins/combos, HX and even PX with overdrive/combos, and LX/FX with their elemental weaknesses
@@ralpharrieta2633 What? I'm talking about model X. Were you not paying attention? Try to read the comment of this Calvin Abad guy, cause, y'know, I'm replying to him.
Simply amazing. Didn't know Model P could be used to get Lv4 victories that well, I honestly expected it to take longer. Also, how come you didn't include Omega in the video? I'd love to see model P take on the messiah boy and shred him lol
When I made this I completely forgot about Omega and the MMZ bosses lol. But to be honest, PX vs Omega isn't very interesting anyway since there's not a lot you can do besides camp him out with occasional combos
A funny fact about my experience with SB(Shield Boomerang) and Model P is that the first time I got to play them, I already thought they were great and very fun (and that was before I learned about the SB/Shuriken loop). For SB, the mere fact it can block projectiles (as you expect of a shield lol) already made it very used by me, plus the good range of the shield arc. As for Model P, I just thought flooding the screen with 101 kunais was very amusing, despite having trouble with aerial enemies
>No elemental weakness, so it can take on any boss without problem >One kunai burst deals a good chunk of damage and can combo into Shuriken >Shuriken does tons of damage and can be looped around >Overdrive grants even more damage and invulnerability during dashes >Shield can block one hit, deal good damage, and combo into Shuriken How did I let people convince me that PX was bad?!
I'm still don't know the shield that PX have when max charge and cling on a wall can do,i did a 90% played before and i still don't know what it can do
Excellent video, also do you have any tip on how to avoid hitting their weak points, whenever i use Model P vs a boss almost seems like my shuriken homes exactly where i don't want it to
Shuriken can be tough because it lingers for a moment and has a moderate hitbox that sometimes goes slightly inside the boss, and it and kunai can be risky because one or two mistakes will easily bring you to lv2 or lv1. But the relatively low profile of his moves can also be helpful sometimes, like you can usually attack Hurricaune without any worry. For some of the bosses though you have to really know when you can and cant hit them and sometimes stick with only attacking when you know it's safe. Like Fistleo if I want to be really safe I wait for him to heal or use the energy balls then shoot him from behind (though even from behind his hitbox is weird while healing so i might avoid shuriken). Another tip is that if you throw them while dashing the kunai will be even lower. For purprill, the safest times to attack him are while he's climbing (watch out for when his arm goes down for a frame before he starts going across) and when he goes WOOHOOO and runs across the room (his arms might look vulnerable but trust me it's safe). Flammole is an utter turd, if I'm being safe then the only time I attack is when he's digging and his tail sticks up for a second. I think he's also open when standing or walking across the room but I'm not comfortable with that yet. You can also throw shurikens at the top of his head like in the video but it's an extremely small window and it has to be when he's guaranteed not to use a move where he moves his arms (so I mostly only try when he uses flamethrower). Hivolt is another one you just have to know where his wings appear in his animations. The best move to attack is when his claws are rotating around him shooting at you because it's pretty much impossible to hit his weakspot from the front (though if he's about to move forward make sure to aim low so his wings dont pass through the shuriken), but you don't need to solely rely on that. When he appears in the corner before each move you can throw a shuriken but it's very risky if you don't know when it's safe because for some of his moves he wraps his wings around himself for a few frames which will get hit by the shuriken. When he uses lasers, you can try shuriken loops like I did in the video though you're gonna want to practice those a bit. Protectos can be a little annoying but is definitely workable. Remember that he follows the floor you're on, so go on the bottom floor when he's too high up so hes on the bottom floor to hit his face with kunai (with low energy this is the best strategy) or on the second floor so a jump shuriken will hit him; just dont throw the shuriken while he's jumping. The water bosses are pretty simple, for Lurerre you mostly have to rely on shuriken so make sure not to throw it while she's descending or else it'll hit her head (and remember that you can damage the big fish when its mouth is open), and for Leganchor there's not much to do besides throw shuriken into his side like in the video
Model PX has Shadow Dash while in overdrive which lets you dash through attacks, yeah. It's to make up for his overdrive not applying an element to his attacks like the other models have
Yes, unfortunately without the destructive power of Model HX or the elemental advantages of the other models it doesn't really have any place in the speedrun. But it can certainly hold its own throughout most of the game
You can LV4 Fistleo how low shots go, may remember in event Lv4 gets tedious 5:43 Devs nerfed shield boomerang strats. Less s tho still doing damage good
Do you mean before releasing the shuriken? Overdrive gives your moves double damage (though not the multihits after the initial hit of shuriken vs bosses)
Yup it's a classic kamehameha laser struggle. If you don't know about that then yeah human form is the best way to avoid it if you don't want to attempt a perfectly timed jump
Model P would've been more useful if it similar to the Shadow Armor from X6, could do super-jumps to the ceiling (which I saw in the mod BTW), had a rapid-slashing Katana for a sub-weapon, stick to walls without slipping, and walk/cling onto spikes without dying (latter 2 could also be applied to Model F as Fefnir is based on the Gaea Armor and has those same properties). The Biometal would also be more useful if its barrier attack is much stronger (think the charged version of C-Shot from X5), summons a clone when Overdrive is activated (think Soul Body from X4), and is also completely invincible during Overdrive (think the charged version of Chameleon Sting from X1). All attacks having shot-erasing properties (think the Erase Form from Zero 2, which grants the Saber and Shield Boomerang such properties) would also be the icing on the cake IMO. Above attacks would fit Model P as most are Phantom's abilities seen in the Zero series not present in his Biometal counterpart, as well as Phantom being based on the Shadow Armor (both having a ninja theme/motif).
@@GameboyFanatic Nah, not as much as I used to. I now think it's fine as it is, with the only things I would add being its attacks erasing shots, the Shadow Armor high jump, and the Chameleon Sting invincibility during the overdrive.
Yeah, in a normal run it's a good opportunity to get in a ton of hits with ZX's spin slash (just need good spacing) or knock him down with an overdrive LX slash
No Omega Zero? 🤔 Hmm... Considering that will be my tactics when going for Serpent is just mind blowing that it works for you. Maybe i'll need to be more precise when doing boomerang tactics just like in the Zero Series. But beating Omega Zero with Phantom is not that hard since he is range(for you) but for me it lacks that damage once Omega Zero can combo you in a way that it will kill you instantly. And its hard to have a 2 sub tanks in Hard Mode which is really annoying for me since i don't play best when i'm using my phone. 🙁
I didn't know about Action Replay codes at the time so I didn't do the intro bosses (also didn't consider the Area N bosses). But most of those bosses aren't especially interesting as PX anyway
@@just-mees He can be good for boss battles if you know what to do. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of FX boss footage on UA-cam is just spamming two shots with no substance or thought put behind them.
Didn't do the intro bosses or secret bosses, sorry, the fights didnt seem interesting enough (though I straight up forgot about Omega, oops, woulda had him at the end)
If he uses the harpoons and puts up ice you can still get up on the wall by walljumping from the highest slide-able point on the wall below then frozen part
I think an appropriate title would be "Watch the most underrated biometal absolutely shred every boss"
Isn't Model LX the underrated one?
Well, I guess both of them are underrated.
I think the F one is the most underrated I literally used it 2 times in all my gameplay.
@@JplayerBlr To be honest, I like using model F especially the buster edit function. And in advent, it is more useful if using Ashe since her bombs have more utility.
@@ventusse Its the fastest way to beat the first phase of the final boss as Grey though, so I'm hard pressed to say its more useful for Ashe than Grey.
@@TotallyCluelessGamer I think for the general gameplay, Ashe is a little bit better than Grey. Though I would admit, Grey's model H, model L, and model ZX is better than Ashe's.
And people say Model P is useless.
I appreciate your skills. 👍
Guess you have to be good enough with the Biometal to truly master it against bosses.
Model P is my Favorite Biometal
those people just have massive skill issues
It's sad they had to change the model attacks in the advent, I wanted to spam ice shurinkens again
Damn i didnt even know about the shadow dashing. Model P is sick.
Hee Ho hey, nice pfp.
AMAZING! Never thought Model Px could be so awesome!
After watching this, It seems that the nerf hammer hit Model P harder than Model H in ZX Advent.
I always already had a few ideas for improvement to PX, but I just started ZX Advent the other day for the first time and frankly I am a bit.. horrified by what they've done to model P hahaha
@@Meta_XZ After watching you, I tried to "no damage" some bosses with Model P... don't even need to say how painful is to deal with aerial bosses. Ground bosses are ok, I guess.
Only Model H, ZX and A can deal damage consistently. ZX is so OP that I don't have fun using it, fortunately Model H is more balanced. Even though I miss Brokenado :p
Now I am curious how you'll deal woth the nerf. Losing Overdrive is not had but with The Shuriken being a Grey exclusive I wonder how you'll assassinate bosses with Ashe. Wish Ashe got the Shuriken instewd hahaha.
@@HajimotoSaito Model P is just so bad I don't think I'll be making any cool videos with it anytime soon. The loss of overdrive is pretty bad and even with Grey having the shuriken, in ZXA it takes so long to charge (lvl2 instead of lvl1) that it's too slow to even combo into it from the kunai. And Ashe's shield would be pretty neat if the orbitals combod into each other cause you would still be able to combo them with kunai, but, the first orbital deals its tiny damage then triggers s lol. It's really depressing... I even used action replay codes to make it so I can actually combo kunai into shuriken but even then it's just not as interesting without overdrive, shield, and shadow dash
@@Meta_XZ Oh damn we both started playing Advent around the same time
The Boss Destroyer Starter Pack:
Model X
Basically any biometal combo if Overdrive is used correctly
model x is the best biometal because double buster total damage
Model X may be the easiest to use but its damage is very much outclassed by ZX with some spins/combos, HX and even PX with overdrive/combos, and LX/FX with their elemental weaknesses
It can't hit Serpent 2 's second phase tho
@@altabalder were you not watching the video at all? i mean he’s clearly showing how to hit serpent.
@@ralpharrieta2633 What? I'm talking about model X. Were you not paying attention? Try to read the comment of this Calvin Abad guy, cause, y'know, I'm replying to him.
Damn, Respect! That is how good you are. You took my favorite Model and made it into a killing machine that makes Phantom proud!
That was amazing. Model Px is my favorite form in ZX and it's really cool to see it putting in this much work. Props.
What you've done here is underrated. I'm so proud.
Was wondering if I’d ever see you use shadow-dash. Great fights.
This is so sick. Love the movements especially with Prometheus flames!
3:52 "WHAT?! AGAIN?! HELL NO"
You legit MASTERED using the overdrive, I admire you seriously
Now you make me wanna practice using Model Px.Good shit man
Amazing nastery/creativity! Thanks for the sick gameplay dude
I can't blame you for trying out PX. The Biometal that NO ONE chooses.
Simply amazing. Didn't know Model P could be used to get Lv4 victories that well, I honestly expected it to take longer. Also, how come you didn't include Omega in the video? I'd love to see model P take on the messiah boy and shred him lol
When I made this I completely forgot about Omega and the MMZ bosses lol. But to be honest, PX vs Omega isn't very interesting anyway since there's not a lot you can do besides camp him out with occasional combos
When i was i kid this model was my favorite,i could beat omega only with that lol
@@lu24cusi31 Same I remember beating every boss (Omega too) with just model P and got extremely addicted to the game because of it.
A funny fact about my experience with SB(Shield Boomerang) and Model P is that the first time I got to play them, I already thought they were great and very fun (and that was before I learned about the SB/Shuriken loop). For SB, the mere fact it can block projectiles (as you expect of a shield lol) already made it very used by me, plus the good range of the shield arc. As for Model P, I just thought flooding the screen with 101 kunais was very amusing, despite having trouble with aerial enemies
your skills with this model are amazing
I just saw the video by Magnus Zero on how PX is really good and so I watched this vid. You're good, thanks for the video
You are so skilled! That was amazing yo!
Great job! Model P is very powerful.
This was pretty fucking slick. Nice work dude!
I did find a fun use for Model P in the Omega fight and Protectos fight in my lp of ZX. Model P’s not useless
Model P was always my favorite Bio Medal. And seeing this video really makes me like that power even more. ;)
I never thought it was possible to learn such power... you're too dangerous to be left alive
>No elemental weakness, so it can take on any boss without problem
>One kunai burst deals a good chunk of damage and can combo into Shuriken
>Shuriken does tons of damage and can be looped around
>Overdrive grants even more damage and invulnerability during dashes
>Shield can block one hit, deal good damage, and combo into Shuriken
How did I let people convince me that PX was bad?!
Purprill and Protectos:
You DARE use my own spell against me, Potter?
Before there was Ultra Instinct there was PX.
I'm still don't know the shield that PX have when max charge and cling on a wall can do,i did a 90% played before and i still don't know what it can do
The shield absorbs the basic yellow energy shot that most enemies fire
@@Meta_XZ oh,cause first time use,i'm run straight into Pandora Projectile
Yeah it's not the best, the only other thing I know it absorbs are the purple things that Serpent 2 shoots to slow you down
@@Meta_XZ well indeed cause the Shuriken is strong by it selves
You're a master.
Damn thats sick, it would be even better if you had included omega zero as well :D
Px model was actually my favorite as a kid lol
Coolest model by far
Excellent video, also do you have any tip on how to avoid hitting their weak points, whenever i use Model P vs a boss almost seems like my shuriken homes exactly where i don't want it to
Shuriken can be tough because it lingers for a moment and has a moderate hitbox that sometimes goes slightly inside the boss, and it and kunai can be risky because one or two mistakes will easily bring you to lv2 or lv1. But the relatively low profile of his moves can also be helpful sometimes, like you can usually attack Hurricaune without any worry. For some of the bosses though you have to really know when you can and cant hit them and sometimes stick with only attacking when you know it's safe. Like Fistleo if I want to be really safe I wait for him to heal or use the energy balls then shoot him from behind (though even from behind his hitbox is weird while healing so i might avoid shuriken). Another tip is that if you throw them while dashing the kunai will be even lower.
For purprill, the safest times to attack him are while he's climbing (watch out for when his arm goes down for a frame before he starts going across) and when he goes WOOHOOO and runs across the room (his arms might look vulnerable but trust me it's safe).
Flammole is an utter turd, if I'm being safe then the only time I attack is when he's digging and his tail sticks up for a second. I think he's also open when standing or walking across the room but I'm not comfortable with that yet. You can also throw shurikens at the top of his head like in the video but it's an extremely small window and it has to be when he's guaranteed not to use a move where he moves his arms (so I mostly only try when he uses flamethrower).
Hivolt is another one you just have to know where his wings appear in his animations. The best move to attack is when his claws are rotating around him shooting at you because it's pretty much impossible to hit his weakspot from the front (though if he's about to move forward make sure to aim low so his wings dont pass through the shuriken), but you don't need to solely rely on that. When he appears in the corner before each move you can throw a shuriken but it's very risky if you don't know when it's safe because for some of his moves he wraps his wings around himself for a few frames which will get hit by the shuriken. When he uses lasers, you can try shuriken loops like I did in the video though you're gonna want to practice those a bit.
Protectos can be a little annoying but is definitely workable. Remember that he follows the floor you're on, so go on the bottom floor when he's too high up so hes on the bottom floor to hit his face with kunai (with low energy this is the best strategy) or on the second floor so a jump shuriken will hit him; just dont throw the shuriken while he's jumping.
The water bosses are pretty simple, for Lurerre you mostly have to rely on shuriken so make sure not to throw it while she's descending or else it'll hit her head (and remember that you can damage the big fish when its mouth is open), and for Leganchor there's not much to do besides throw shuriken into his side like in the video
@@Meta_XZ Bro, THANK YOU, you carry the honor of the Phantom clan best!
Wait,what happened at 2:40?
Did your dash prevent it from taking damage or something?
Model PX has Shadow Dash while in overdrive which lets you dash through attacks, yeah. It's to make up for his overdrive not applying an element to his attacks like the other models have
Meta_X Ohhh,okay. I should keep that in mind on my next playthrough.
I’ve still got a lot to learn about the Biometals in ZX
Local girl kills business man by not catching a boomerang frisbee
I was literally JUST wondering if PX had any awesome skill videos associated with it, seeing as how it is often sidelined in most serious speedruns.
Yes, unfortunately without the destructive power of Model HX or the elemental advantages of the other models it doesn't really have any place in the speedrun. But it can certainly hold its own throughout most of the game
Snakes alive, you make it look trivial.
You can LV4 Fistleo how low shots go, may remember in event Lv4 gets tedious
5:43 Devs nerfed shield boomerang strats. Less s tho still doing damage good
This is my play through in a nutshell minus the no hit and lvl 4. Just shurikens. A L O T OF SHURIKENS.
Good shit man.
1:04 I didn't think it was possible
i hate how easy you make it look good job
2:29
reject robutt
return to m o n k e
Amazing!
Why do you use overdrive after releasing the shuriken ?
Do you mean before releasing the shuriken? Overdrive gives your moves double damage (though not the multihits after the initial hit of shuriken vs bosses)
Respect.
That was beautiful
Chads main ninjas 😎
This is based.
AMAZING
Ninja boy go
wait you can shove back lurerre's laser attack? I always just switched to human form to float above it until she was done.
Yup it's a classic kamehameha laser struggle. If you don't know about that then yeah human form is the best way to avoid it if you don't want to attempt a perfectly timed jump
Reminds me of shield boomerang
Is it me or does the P model shots seem to avoid Fistleo's head?
Luckily they're usually low enough to avoid his weakspot
Wow your job as nice 👌
How can I execute shadow dash?
It happens automatically whenever PX dashes while in overdrive (check your control menu to map overdrive, default button is A)
@@Meta_XZ yeah i figured it out while fighting Omega , thanks anyway
What about Omega Zero
So when did you awaken the Sharingan
is it possible to learn this power
Not from a Jedi
Model P would've been more useful if it similar to the Shadow Armor from X6, could do super-jumps to the ceiling (which I saw in the mod BTW), had a rapid-slashing Katana for a sub-weapon, stick to walls without slipping, and walk/cling onto spikes without dying (latter 2 could also be applied to Model F as Fefnir is based on the Gaea Armor and has those same properties). The Biometal would also be more useful if its barrier attack is much stronger (think the charged version of C-Shot from X5), summons a clone when Overdrive is activated (think Soul Body from X4), and is also completely invincible during Overdrive (think the charged version of Chameleon Sting from X1). All attacks having shot-erasing properties (think the Erase Form from Zero 2, which grants the Saber and Shield Boomerang such properties) would also be the icing on the cake IMO.
Above attacks would fit Model P as most are Phantom's abilities seen in the Zero series not present in his Biometal counterpart, as well as Phantom being based on the Shadow Armor (both having a ninja theme/motif).
Do you want to make it overpowered beyond belief?
@@GameboyFanatic Nah, not as much as I used to. I now think it's fine as it is, with the only things I would add being its attacks erasing shots, the Shadow Armor high jump, and the Chameleon Sting invincibility during the overdrive.
Any chance on beating Omega with PX, no damage?
Can you defeat Omega whit model P?
かっけぇ、ボス戦でモデルpx使えるとは
I just speedkilled omega with px fastee than harpuia and made me question humanity
Wait, Hurricaune's tornado legs have a hurtbox?
Yeah, in a normal run it's a good opportunity to get in a ton of hits with ZX's spin slash (just need good spacing) or knock him down with an overdrive LX slash
@@Meta_XZ Now getting level 4 victory on her will be super easy with that knowledge
Are you hitting Overdrive before you attack every time? I slowed down the video and that’s what it looks like is happening, but I’m not sure
Usually, yes
Sick, thanks 😊 just followed on Twitter :)
How did you...!?
meta X, maybe he's the PX godzzz haha
No omega fight ?
No Omega Zero? 🤔 Hmm... Considering that will be my tactics when going for Serpent is just mind blowing that it works for you. Maybe i'll need to be more precise when doing boomerang tactics just like in the Zero Series. But beating Omega Zero with Phantom is not that hard since he is range(for you) but for me it lacks that damage once Omega Zero can combo you in a way that it will kill you instantly. And its hard to have a 2 sub tanks in Hard Mode which is really annoying for me since i don't play best when i'm using my phone. 🙁
Im assuming omega zero was way too difficult to no damage with model P but this was very impressive i could only beat most of hard mode with model X
Not really, I actually just forgot about him but also the fight isn't very interesting to watch anyway
@@Meta_XZ ah ok
So, this is what people meant by "Model P is Overrated"
I will do a vid of me dying during a month to finish this bosses.
what about omega
😲😲😲👏👏
Why don't you complete the entire game using model P ? Would be fun and interesting to watch
I've done it on Twitch but I didn't know if people would be interested in watching it on UA-cam. Maybe I'll upload if I get a clean run at some point
@@Meta_XZ recorded ? have the link?
Sorry it's been more than 30 days so whatever vods got deleted, but my past runs have been rough anyway
Why not omega
I forgot lol
It's not a very interesting fight with PX anyway, if I manage to get a good one in the future though I'll upload it
Where is Omega?
Inti Creates must not like ninjas... (Killed off phantom in Zero 1; made Model P Underpowered in ZX Advent)
Yes, but I realized how good it actually was in the first ZX in general, so I changed it.
Wait, Giro battle doesn't count?
I didn't know about Action Replay codes at the time so I didn't do the intro bosses (also didn't consider the Area N bosses). But most of those bosses aren't especially interesting as PX anyway
Understandable
Do the same with ZXA plz
Sorry model P is astronomically worse in ZXA and even with my mods I'm just not certain it'll be super interesting, it might happen someday though
👍
still better than fx
Ayo bet
@@ScreamyngYoshi hes only good at one stationary boss and maybe another I'm forgetting
@@just-mees He can be good for boss battles if you know what to do. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of FX boss footage on UA-cam is just spamming two shots with no substance or thought put behind them.
Didn't you miss one boss?
Didn't do the intro bosses or secret bosses, sorry, the fights didnt seem interesting enough (though I straight up forgot about Omega, oops, woulda had him at the end)
존나.. 뭘 본거지 내가?
f i s h
LMAO what a crock of shit this is, some luck rng you got on leganchor he puts up ice every time for me I can't walljump
If he uses the harpoons and puts up ice you can still get up on the wall by walljumping from the highest slide-able point on the wall below then frozen part
Cristal Farm Location for Hard Play :3 pls?
Amazing!
Ninja boy go
Amazing !!