I love how in this case Edgeworth never seems to be antagonistic towards Phoenix and instead just wants to find the true culprit just as much as he does showing how much he's changed.
It seemed to me more that Edgeworth is sick of the case and just wants to be done with it so that it never bothers him again, as evidenced by the "You want a minute? I'll give you three." line. At first I thought this was the case because he found the case tedious (though this is my projection more than anything), but on second thought, I think that Edgeworth had the feeling that the evidence was forged and the guilt was eating him from the inside. He wanted to face the truth rather than hide from it.
@@TallTapper really? jfa edgeworth seemed a lot more sure of himself, rfta edgeworth felt very much so on the brink of falling apart. he didn't really feel truth-seeking, rather he was repentative and guilty, HENCE he sought the truth and the truth only. which i think actually helped his character in the long-run, it honestly made the transition from his initial characterization a lot smoother.
I feel like that look was perfectly made. It matches the poorly made feel of the blue badger and actually serves the game a real purpose beyond looking like Gumshoe made it.
I absolutely despise this case. Great story, great side characters, great villain, absolute agony to actually play through cause of the length and awkward new gameplay mechanics. If I have to watch that Meekins video again I'm going to lose it
This is my exact opinion on it, honestly. If they maybe marked it in game as a full bonus case you could go into a separate menu for and not 1-5, then I would be fine with it, but as it is, the gameplay and length can't be excused.
Ok the case being long is a major disadvantage but how the "new game play mechanic" is mind numbingly bad is beyond me:/I'm disappointed schaffrillas. Anyway This case, third case of investigation 2, second case of dgs are my alltime favorites
The best way I can describe this case is... eerie. The almost entirely different cast and the length, difficulty spike, and completely new methods of investigation would be enough to make it feel distinct on their own. But IMO what makes it stand out so much from the other cases is the atmosphere. The intro is much more dynamic, mysterious and ominous than most other cases - I don't think any other one has such a powerful combination - and the pictures are also very striking and violent (more explicitly so than other cases). The characters are more mature - you talked about Phoenix, Edgeworth is still reeling from DL6 and its consequences on his world view, and most of the cast is involved in this dark, ominous secret similarly to Turnabout Sisters, but cranked up to 11. Lastly, the theme of forging evidence is deeply entwined with the mystery and violence of SL9, and has a huge impact on the characters; it's the only time it's examined in the trilogy, and the next time it's mentioned it's in AJ, where we learn it cost Phoenix his fricking badge. Even though I don't enjoy playing through it because of this ominous vibe, I think Rise from the Ashes is a great case with a unique voice and role in the story. The only cases that rival its atmosphere (in strength and nature) are, for me, Turnabout Beginnings and Bridge to the Turnabout. Thanks for the video, great work as always!
I remember playing this case for the first time after hearing about it before, and something clicked. The reason why this case feels so long is that it's basically 3 smaller cases back-to-back Each investigation-day section focuses on a different crime scene, a different murder taking place, and a different set of characters each. I think that rationalization made me like the pacing of the case a lot more when I separated it into pieces like that-
The thing I loved the most on this case was the absence of Mia, it's the thing that I hated the most throughout the trilogy and having a giant case without a cheap solution like Mia magically appearing and saving the day felt so good and satisfactory. But yeah, going into JFA afterwards and not having a case like this or any reference of the characters from it for the rest of the trilogy felt really disappointing as a new player.
> as a new player I mean, as a new player myself with the Switch release, I at least knew these were GBA games first, and got a bunch of rereleases. So when we get to the end of the game, it says "BONUS CASE" and it's full of DS mechanics, it was pretty obvious this case was added after the fact and that the sequels would have none of this.
I mean we do see Blue Badger references all over the other two games in the trilogy. Obviously those references were made before 1-5 was even conceived, but it kinda helps the case fit in with the rest for me
Rise of the Ashes is one of if not the best cases when taken as a stand-alone. It’s still top tier to me by any categorization, but the fact that it’s technically a filler case while having all the emotional weight of a concluding case for a game is just incredible to me. I also personally love how long it is. I am sometimes sad at how short some of the ace attorney cases are, and this is one of the few cases that truly feels like you get down to the wire as it takes the full three days to resolve, which is doubled down on the fact that the SL9 incident was about to be permanently closed due to the evidence transferal. Damon Gant is one of the greatest villains in the whole franchise and all the side characters are not only enjoyable but most are also deeply layered in a way that most side characters in the franchise usually aren’t. Overall I love this case and it’s clearly a top 5 case in the franchise to me.
When I first played Rise from the Ashes on DS. I loved it! However, playing it again when it came out on switch. It felt like it just dragged on and on. The twists were very twisty tho
@@tbone415 i replay once every few years. after a couple of years, i remember the basic outline, but not the specifics. because of that, the challenge returns and a few of the twists even land.
The important thing to remember is that RFTA was never made to be "part" of the trilogy or the first game, it was written and marketed as it's own miniature game that acted as a gaiden (side-story) for the previous games. That's why it feels so disconnected from the rest of it, it's meant to be its own self-contained narrative.
Rise from the Ashes was the best case for me. The plot and mystery really had me hooked. All the characters were memorable. Ema, Lana, Gant, Angel Starr, Jake Marshall (ok except Meekins, I hate him and I hate how he's the only character other than Ema to return to the series). And I also loved the "SL-9 Incident" soundtrack. Perfect for this case, where it was all over for everyone already.
I'm extremely sad that Jake Marshall and his banger theme didn't come back :( It's especially weird because with many other characters they frequently use the "joke" possibilities of their themes or characteristics as much as they can (e. g. Grossberg's hemorrhoids or Bikini's back problems), and they had a great occasion to do that with the return of Jake and his cowboy theme. But they just... didn't give him a return, which to me is just so unlike them :T
I was watching the blue badger video thinking how to figure out it might not be Goodman. And I thought, maybe I'm missing a detail elsewhere, looking at the locker in the court record, I realized the single clue I was missing. It was a swell 2nd trial day from there.
I love this case because of how dark it was. Damon Gant imo is the most terrifying villain in the series. He is willing to do anything to cover his tracks and that is terrifying.
Karma was way worse The fact that he literally attacks Phoenix and Maya with that crazy stare and was a killer aleardy shows how fucked he was The fact that he mentored Edgeworth even knowing what he did Karma was crazy
What's terrifying to me about Gant is the sheer level of power he has. A villain with institutional control will always be more frightening to me than one that is just acting alone, even if other villains can take more direct actions. That he had the power to fire so many detectives and keep Lana wrapped around his finger so long implies to me that there could be far, far more that he was able to cover up. Von Karma was terrifying, but at the end of the day he was one man; Gant's crimes were systemic
@@neoonewingedren1836karma is an obvious crazy asshole from day 1. Gant, on the other hand, seems so cheery, even after everything comes out. That makes him more unnerving
As someone who dislikes whenever Mia helps Phoenix solve cases, I appreciate having a full case without her, even if it's inconsistent with Phoenix's competence after this case. The added minigames are also nice, but I agree that their placement in the series is awkward and makes the other two games feel like a downgrade gameplaywise. Maybe they should have placed it after Trials and Tribulations because the case is so self-contained that I don't think it would have made a difference. I really enjoyed the writing and thriller of this case, especially Edgeworth's portrayal and having a deeper look at the setting's police force. I agree with the criticisms that it's too long, though. It takes up almost half of the first game's playtime and there's a lot of filler they could cut to make it in line with the other cases. I also don't think it was necessary for it to have 3 days. Also, a small bit of trivia: the English script for Justice for All didn't acknowledge this case at all in the DS and Wii versions, and only said that Edgeworth's last trial before his "death" was his own trial. It wasn't until the HD remaster on 3DS that they finally adjusted the script to mention this case as well. I don't know if this error was in the other languages, but it caused a lot of speculation on whether Rise from the Ashes was canon until Ema and Meekins appeared in Apollo Justice, 2 years later.
@@Halkemlol They simply changed "He never set foot in court after that trial." (in context with Turnabout Goodbyes) to "He never set foot in court after that trial, and the one after that."
this case was only added to the ds version; it wasn’t in the GBA ver and it was treated as dlc on the wii, so that’s probably why it wasn’t treated as cannon?
Another funny thing is the ending credits of AA1 show Phoenix and Edgeworth in another trial after Turnabout Goodbyes but before RFTA, and every dialogue and canon moment ever just forgets this trial that happened during the credits.
I personally love this case, though it is, as you said, very clearly written after Trials and Tribulations. Emma was a fun sidekick, and her being scientifically inclined made her stand out from the more spiritual abilities of Maya. And one of my favorite things is taking down Gant. He feels larger than life and absolutely untouchable for most of the case, and I, like most English speaking AA fans, first played this case immediately after finishing Turnabout Goodbyes for the first time, so I felt like an absolute *badass* taking down von Karma and Gant back to back.
I love Rise from the Ashed honestly. It was the first huge case in the series, and the first huge case that I experienced. Even after finishing the trilogy, it took me a while to admit to myself that Farewell my Turnabout and Bridge to the Turnabout are better, because I just had such huge nostalgia goggles for Rise from the Ashes.
its far from a bad case, it just feels like it doesn't belong in this game, and its really noticeable the more you think about it. its also just far too long compared to most other cases, and you made a solid point regarding how phoenix is somehow a 4d chess master in this part of the timeline, i never thought about that being an issue before.
yeah, i was reacting to the case in my friend's discord DMs a few days ago and one of the first things i said after i finished it was "it’s really cool but also it feels like a fanfiction and i don’t know why", not to mention the name is completely different from the other case names, it doesn't have turnabout in it, someone on tumblr said that turnabout from the ashes would have been a much better name and i agree with that
I don't really agree with 4D chessmaster. It was Edgeworth leading the trial along mostly (including letting Phoenix choose the witnesses and with a copious amount of hinting at that), and the only remarkable trick Phoenix had was leaving the Rules of Evidence to trap Gant. Even the whole 'Gant not allowed to make a statement' was something Gant knowingly did to himself.
@@aromanticfranziskavonkarma "[the name] doesn't have turnabout in it" you can blame the localization for that. the japanese name is 蘇る逆転, which has 逆転 in it.
Cross-examining Meekins forced me to turn down the volume and I fucking love playing aa with full volume Other then that the case is great ignoring the fact I was heavily relying on a guide
I think solving this case is one of the most satisfying cases in the entire series, and the character work is excellent. Gant is a truly terrifying opponent in and out of court. That being said oh my god Mike Meekins is particularly annoying. But oh my god that jar. I knew what I was looking for and it still took me about 30 minutes on the switch, and it took me 45+ on the DS.
This is one of the real room-splitter cases to the point where I have seen it argued as either bad or as a favorite. A lot of it to me comes down to not minding the length, liking the Skye sisters as individuals, finding Gant an intimidating and worthwhile challenge in spite of his easily identifiable role in the grand scheme, and brushing aside the retcon with Edgeworth's retirement. I really like this case even though I know it's got some flaws throughout. It has heart and ambition and made use of the system it was on to create something similar to the DLC cases in games much later.
RFTA is excellent... in Japan. In America, it's only okay. Now I know what you're thinking, "what are you TALKING about? They're the same game!" Quite. But the context is different. In Japan, RFTA is a special-edition bonus case. It's a prequel case for people who have already beaten the trilogy to sweeten the deal on rebuying a game they already own. Thus, it's the hardest game in the series so that it offers a meaty challenge to fans, it exposes neat lore stuff that those fans might enjoy, and it also gives them a sneak peak at the new mechnics and characters (well, character) who will feature in the shiny new Ace Attorney game currently in development. In that context it's amazing. In America... it's a giant difficulty spike that comes out of nowhere, it's long, it's weirdly placed, and probably turned a lot of players off.
>a giant difficulty spike that comes out of nowhere It was placed at the very end of the game, if people expect the ending of a game to be easy then they shouldn't play games in the first place. You're acting like this was thrown into the story in the middle of the tutorial or something...
Honestly my favorite case in the series. The reason? Damon Gant's theme. Every time you listen in the case, it gives a more and more sinister feel. The satisfaction after you finally win is unmatched by any case that I've played.
For my part, I really liked the trial sections of Rise from the Ashes (outside of the fucking blue bastard video), however I found the investigation portions dragged on far too long, and were often pointlessly convoluted with what evidence you needed to present to whom to carry on with the investigation (especially given there was so much bloody evidence in this case). Honestly, outside of Apollo Justice (which has a similar approach to investigations as RFTA) this case has the most irritating and pointlessly difficult investigation portions of the entire series, which is why I think it just doesn't feel like it fits in the original trilogy. Still a bloody great story though, nailing Gant at the end was almost as satisfying as the end of 3-5 for my money. If you're going to play it use a guide during the investigation segments liberally. Also Jake Marshall's theme slaps HARD
The badger video can definitely burn in hell, yes. I had to look up a guide for that and the investigation sequences, and those dragged HARD. But the trial parts were great (especially the last part) and I agree with tbone that this gives Edgeworth a better reason to go be emo for a year.
I didn't find the difficulty that high but I still used a guide whenever I got stuck, sometimes there's really no clue of what to do, but eh, that's what guides are for. Aside from a few times needing such guide, the case as a whole wasn't hard
I thought the difficulty was justified as it's the finale of the game. But I had to use a guide to get out of the evidence room because I had no idea what the game wanted me to do.
Before getting to this case, I had a feeling Edgeworth's choice of car would be a red Corvette 😁EDIT: But I see your points and yeah, the case definitely is very polarizing, it also has high highs and low lows. For me, Damon Gant really carried the case for me, they did a good job showing how an evil person can pretend to be friendly and sociable.
I put this case right up there with Turnabout Goodbyes, no question. They had great characters and captivating storylines that kept me on the edge of my seat throughout.
I don't know why do you desribe RTFA's difficulty as a bad thing, it's exactly the reason i love this case so much. So many evidences, so many vital witnesses involved, and just the way the murder was done makes it the most interesting experience i had with Ace Attorney series.
Still my favourite case in the canon, for three reasons: - The creepy atmosphere, particularly caused by the fact that you are partly investigating an old serial killer case. Even the name "DL-6 incident" sounds creepy. - The overwhelming feeling from early on that you were uncovering an enormous conspiracy, and you didn't know what it was, who was friend and who was foe (or sometimes, who was both) - Less of the supernatural. I am actually not bothered by this aspect in the series, but in this particular case the absence of it was perfectly appropriate.
I played it a while ago so I'm not entirely sure, but due to new mechanics, different characterizations, and Length, this case felt like its own entire game which was extremely tiring for me. I love Ema and her Snackoos, and I don't think this case is bad, but especially after the conclusion of turnabout goodbyes, I wanted this case to be over halfway through it. Also this case made me feel ST00PID
My #1 issue with this case is its length. I LITERALLY called it a marathon right after I finished it. While the intro looks cool it's not REALLY accurate to the actual crime. That being said I do agree that this game helps justify Edgeworth's actions between AA1 & AA2. On a side note: still can't believe Edgeworth was never formally accused of murder. Or that Mike Meekins was accused at all after looking at that video tape. Oh, and if Ema wasn't so likable I would have loathed defending Lana at all. It doesn't help that Phoenix doesn't even WANT to take the case until Ema BEGS him. Other odd points: 1) Evidence Law MATTERS all of a sudden. 2) Perjury is actually mentioned (I don't remember it coming up in any other case in the trilogy). 3) Phoenix gets fired as Lana's Attorney (but it's ignored?). 4) Gumshoe gets fired by Gant (but it's ignored?). 5) This case almost feels TOO self contained to the point of feeling seperate from not only AA1, but the entire trilogy. PS- I love the Blue Badger and his themesong. :)
1) - The evidence law book given actually doesn't contradict a single presentation of evidence in the trilogy (Fun fact, it actually does prevent the presentation of the last piece of evidence in Apollo justice's last case!) 2) It isn't, but it's definitely good that it is, and it's a trend that gradually improved in Takumi's games to the point where in Tgaa almost every single case of blatent perjury (At least, for the first time per witness) is admonished directly by the judge. 3) - Edgeworth immediately objects to Lana's statement and basically says "That's horseshit someone is clearly manipulating you" 4) - Gumshoe presumably is still fired during day 3, and is re-hired after Gant is proven to be the mastermind and stripped of his power.
5. yeah that was pretty much the plan, it was never a part of the storyline until the DS release, pretty much its only purpose is to introduce ema and introduce the new evidence examining mechanics
one more weird thing for me is that, didn't Gant revoke his right to make statements by refusing to testify but then proceeded to give statements anyway
I loved this case, and especially the cast. I feel it adds more context to Edgeworth’s arc in JFA, and the Skye sisters are some of my favourite characters conceptually in the original trilogy. Gant manages to feel on par with Von Karma in terms of threat, and the final trial moments versus him is the pinnacle of AA1 imo. It certainly has problems, such as the length (the speedrun for RFTA is the same length as 1-1, 1-2, 1-3 and 1-4 combined) but the cast and brilliant twists more than make up for it for me.
Personally, I really love Rise from the Ashes. It does feel a bit out of place; I remember playing the trilogy and feeling a bit off when it started as I didn't think there would be another case after the first four in the first game, but I ended up really enjoying the longevity of it. I know that part specifically can be what turned people off on it, but I really do enjoy the long cases as most of the time they feel really thought out to me. I liked the storyline they set up and the revelations that happen throughout the gameplay--those are what kept me extremely engaged in this one. Though, once I finished it I had to take a small break from AA simply for how much time it took.
I really liked this case as a standalone thing one of the strongest in the series. I did fine phoenixs reaction in 2-4 a bit weird since he actively was helping wright in this case pretty blatantly.theurs also the wrights competency issue you brought up. I think this may have been better situated after the trilogy. In the case itself I don't think it would effect to much besides some slight changes to the time and it would make a kinda cool comeback for Edgeworth to be chief prosecutor despite the scandal he had in contrast to phoenixs similar downfall that would happen shortly later. Also it's DS mechanics would be less out of place as the next game we would play would be Apollo justice.
I think some of the acts are stronger than others. The parking garage segment and Angel's cross examination are painful to get through. But the part where you have to solve the two murders in different places makes it so interesting and keeps me on edge to see what comes next. Finally going head to head against Gant is thrilling! It's a pretty long case, but I feel that the characters and the way that it utilizes the gameplay make up for it.
Honestly, I absolutely loved this case and my only real complaint with it was the sheer length and sometimes the feeling of dragging on after itself. However, I honestly loved the plot, as well as how Phoenix does this mostly under his own merit with some help from Edgeworth-there are no spiritual tricks or Mia coming from the dead to save him; he and Edgeworth trap Gant by themselves. I honestly loved Damon Gant as a villain, too. I know the whole thing with spirituality has significant and appropriate meaning in Japanese culture, but it was a really big turn-off for me from the future games as a western player.
In my opinion it's important consider this case separate from the rest of the first Ace Attorney. It's so different in tone and in characters. It's a lot darker and I actually appreciated it. I don't think it's one of the best, but I think it's a very memorable case and is definitely somewhere in the upper middle of case rankings.
I recently finished the AA trilogy on Switch and for the most part the cases kept on getting better with ever case I did but Rise of the Ashes felt off imo. I don't really know how to describe it but I just wasn't a fan of cases story till the last quarter of it. Length is a factor in it but imo this is the first AA trial where I had more fun investigating for evidence then the court segment as I found myself using a guide to get through most the trial something I didn't want to do while playing these games.
Same, it was the only case in the entire trilogy where I had to use a guide for the court segments because I was so completely lost at some points that I didn't even know what I was supposed to be proving anymore. It was really frustrating having to do that bc I felt like an idiot, but it got to the point where I just wanted the whole thing to be over. I also feel like the pacing of the whole thing was really off. Guess it didn't help that it came just after Turnabout Goodbyes which felt like the perfect ending to the first game.
I feel like this was one of the more f*cked up cases. The meekins video was straight up eerie and creepy and having to look closely at bloody fingerprints made me uneasy. Not to mention the B plot of this case is all about the corrupt and unjust ways prosecutors put people in prison. There were people who lose their jobs, family and free will because of the old case that was completely based on fake evidence. Also the villain is kinda messed up. Grant was really intimidating to me, just his natural sprite staring into my soul as the music fades out made me know how powerful this man was. He was a lovely man at first and I enjoyed his nicknames and funny quips a lot. But he activated my flight or fight reflex every time I felt like we made him mad or said something we shouldn’t have. The way he killed Neil Marshell freaked me out. We were lead to believe that no matter how you look at it, Neil was killed in some way during the fight with Joe Dark, we just don’t know who killed him or how he died. But then it turns out that he WASNT killed during the fight and was just unconscious when Grant found him. So Grant PICKED UP AN ALIVE MAN AND SKEWERED HIM ON A SPEAR. The case was just kinda more f*cked up in some places and more serious I think.
I think my biggest problem with this case is what it did with Edgeworth's character. Turnabout Sisters sets him up so perfectly as a scumbag with the updated autopsy report, and then the rest of the game serves as a redemption arc that culminates with his return in Farewell, My Turnabout. But this one retcons his character so that he only ever presented false evidence once, and it was by complete accident, meaning apparently the updated autopsy report was completely legitimate and he never had anything to atone for in the first place. Like your complaint about how it felt like Phoenix was written as his post-T&T self, Edgeworth felt like he was written with an understanding of where his character ended up, but with the writers having forgotten where he was at this point.
Thank you! That's exactly how I feel! I mean, think back to Turnabout Sisters Phoenix and Maya were at some of their worse moments, both from an emotional and psychological perspective. If Edgeworth was willing to "update" an autopsy report (first trial) just to spite the defense, and was clearly all for allowing an obviously shady individual in front of him (during the second trial) to get away with everything, who knows what other atrocities he must have committed under von Karma's guidance? 'Cause you can't tell me that Dracula wasn't all up in Miles' business during his every-day life too... Edgeworth was an absolute dick here. (also in 3-4) It would have bene so interesting to see his development from there. What a wasted opportunity... Still love this case, though😬
I disagree with that for two reason. Firstly, RFTA only establishes that he didn't knowingly forge evidence in this one case. It doesn't mean that he didn't do it in any case before or after it. Also he definately did abuse the system to put innocents behind bars during his career up until Turnabout Samurai. The second reason is that I feel it retroactively improves his decision to leave and his eventual rebirth in farewell. He doesn't just leave because of the trauma of Von Carma's case. He leaves because of the realization of what he had become. And that comes because of what Gant tells him near the end. "We're the same you and I. One day you'll understand"
I've never interpreted the revised autopsy report as forged, though I guess I can understand why someone might. But ever since my first playthrough I've always thought it was a legit second autospy that Edgeworth kept secret as a gotcha trap. A jerk move and still kind of shady, but not a forgery. I think the implication from Edgeworth's dialog in 1-5 is that even if he didn't know the evidence was forged, he was overly laser-focused on getting a guilty verdict above all else. So he looked the other way on a sketchy case, not asking questions about shaky evidence when he should have known better. Which is certainly not as bad as doing the forging, but he feels more responsible for it than a simple "accident." It makes sense he'd have an existential crisis over it on the heels of 1-4 and I think it fits pretty well with his character arc ((also Justice for All does reference this case in the updated script). I actually think that "demon prosecutor" Edgeworth would push the law to its limits (including in sketchy and probably unethical ways) to get the guilty verdict but wouldn't cross the line to outright breaking it fits better with his arc and characterization as a whole through the series than someone who deliberately forges evidence. If he didn't care about justice at all he wouldn't have helped you with Dee Vasquez, and that was before he had any major personal event that would change him.
I first played Rise from the Ashes after it had already been added, and I really liked it- its one my favorite cases for sure and has some great characters, story wise on level with the finale cases. I was disappointed though at the time when Rise from the Ashes had no relevance to anything else in the trilogy- for the 2nd and 3rd game, it's as if that case didn't exist. I also thought it was weird for Phoenix's arc that he disliked all prosecutors in case 2 of Justice for All, saying to Pearl that they were "all the same" when he just defended Lana earlier that year. I now of course understand why that's the case, as it was written after Justice for All and Trials and Tribulations, but at the time I was hoping and actually expecting one of the characters from that game to return cause of how strong they were. (No spoilers for later games please, I've only played the trilogy).
What's interesting to me is that in this game, we have an example of Phoenix unknowingly breaking Psyche Locks when he confronts Lana Skye about Gant blackmailing her. I'm more of a fan of the more down to earth Ace Attorney games and this was really pleasing to play through.
i honestly love this chapter the most out of all the cases in the first game, cause the twists were so good. i never saw them coming my top 3 cases in the trilogy are: 1. bridge to the turnabout 2. farewell, my turnabout 3. rise from the ashes these all were really close for me honestly, and the twists had me extremely invested. (also i failed to present the contradictions in the video more times than id like to admit)
Gant was probably the most satisfying villain to break down. Yeah couple of the mini games were Bad and Meeks with his megaphone screeching was annoying, but I really enjoyed this case. The stakes were abnormally high. It wasn’t just one killer getting away and one person being wrongly convicted. This was a corrupt police chief. If Felt very good to take him down.
I like this case simply because we don't really get help from Mia, since there is no spirit medium on sight. Incorporating spiritual things like spirit medium (and later on the ability to detect lies) is kinda fun but it does feel cheap at times.
I wouldn’t call it my favorite case in the series (that goes to 2-4 easily), but I enjoyed it more than certain other cases **cough cough turnabout big top cough cough**
@@МанфредФонКарма It's actually really decent. Case 2-1 is by far the worst. One does not simply break his neck and "have time to write down a name". That's f**** stupid.
As someone who only played the first game and half of the second, I think Rise From the Ashes is the best case of the entire game. Phoenix is amazing in this case. Despite his triumph against von Karma, the guy found himself without a purpose. Maya is far away, Edgeworth is doing his own thing, so he's basically with no one there. No one he cares to help. That is until Ema showed up, and he kinda rediscovered his reason the become a defense attorney: help people who are suffering injustice. I personaly liked the investigation system that Ema introduced. I really like examining stuff and getting new comments about what I find. I also like how smart Phoenix is in this trial. He's not a rookie anymore. He has beaten someone who was considered a god of prosecution in 2 different cases and gets him arrested in one of the worst scandals of the country, and he acts as the badass lawyer he had to be to pull all of this off. I think this was the most important episode for the character of Phoenix Wright, as he find his purpose once more and wins the trial without depending on one of Mia's channelings. He is a pro on his own and it's great to see him being treated as such.
I think Rise from the Ashes has one of the best stories out of all the Ace Attorney cases. Playing it, though? It's rough. It lasts too long, some of the puzzles require gargantuan leaps in logic, or just don't mentally prepare you for what's to come. Story-wise: It's great Gameplay-wise: It could be a lot better.
Gants honestly this guy gives off the most impressive vibe in the entirety of the ace attorney series. You can feels so overwhelm with him and his abuse of power is something that I find very impressive as much as his design is. His design is sooooo threatening even if you dont know how he is involve you can tell for sure he got a key role. You can get that vibe from other characters but Gants he stands out among the crowd to the point it kind of scary you can easily be like yep this guy the killer for sure idk what happen but he got the presence of the world on his shoulder that is beggin to be used
As a new player...I liked it a lot! My partner played the original trilogy as a kid but I hadn't, and since it was recently on sale for the Switch, they bought it for me. So when we got to this case, we were both experiencing it for the first time together since it didn't exist when they played as a kid. I really really liked the luminol and fingerprinting and was impressed they found a way to make it work on a system that wasn't the NDS. The stakes in this got me too, I waffled for a while trying to determine whether to present the leather cloth (ultimately chose not to implicate Ema, then got chastised by Edgeworth after the circumstances changed). The fact that it is possible to get a bad ending is a thing I appreciate a lot. To be honest I struggled more with the moral dilemma here than I did in Farewell My Turnabout. Gant is a guy I love to hate because he's so sneaky and smarmy but slick about it so he's hard to catch. Cornering him was extremely satisfying. The Blue Badger is easily the worst part of the case. Traumatized by that thing and its theme song. And yeah I'm pretty sure we tried doing the jar the "right" way, couldn't get it, tried some other ways, looked up a guide, and were like "oh come ON we literally tried that first!!". I will also add that I wish Ema had more of her own personality in this game as opposed to just being Maya 2.0. That said, if they ever release Apollo for Switch I'm sure it would be very up my alley. I'm pretty biased but of the cases I've completed so far (all of the first two games, still playing through the third in the series), this one is very near the top for me. Both Farewell and Ashes are I think my two favorites thus far, followed by Goodbyes and Reunion. Samurai felt very long, Big Top has the fatal flaw of all the side characters being unlikable, and Sisters, while good, is very mid-tier compared to those later ones. Still, overall, I'm having a blast and thoroughly enjoying myself! I can usually figure things out on my own fairly quickly so most of my frustration is being two steps ahead of where the game wants me to be and having to back track to figure out how it wants me to get there.
I'm so glad you explained that about this not being from the original game, having just played the trilogy for the first time on the Switch I thought it was really wierd how it had forensics and videos where later games and previous cases didn't. That makes me look at it completely different
It was an acceptable case that definitely overstayed its welcome, had hit-or-miss characters, but it introduced Ema Skye who is best girl in the Apollo Justice era. 11/10
From a narrative perspective? It's great, and a really fun ride seeing Gant's case slowly crumble over the course of the story (even if his theme was a clear red flag). Gameplay-wise, though, it went on for far too long and definitely could've been a 2-parter or something.
@@rashmikalia1304 Manfred is terrible. Basically a mustace twirling scooby doo villain. Nothing realistic about him. His plan also involves a lot of plot convenience to watch
Am I the only one that thinks the art of the trilogy doesn't look great when rendered in HD? Imo 3DS is the best way to play it cause the pixelation hides some of the details, but not too much like the GBA/DS. Apollo Justice looks great in HD though
@@tbone415 I agree. I think it's the shadows, they just look a little off. The art of characters in this case are noticably better though since it was done later
TBF I never really questioned Phoenix becoming way smarter all of sudden, given that I kinda just thought that was his "thing" you know. Like one second Phoenix is unraveling a 15 year old case that no one else could crack and the next he's struggling to remember which way his pants go on in the morning.
This case has always dragged on and on for me either watching or playing it. I've never hated or even disliked the investigation segments, I actually enjoyed them in a lot of contexts. Here, it felt sometimes like it was either incredibly, annoyingly clear where to go, or not clear at all what to do. There were also some plot holes that were explained and covered in the end, but they made it hard to get through the earlier parts thinking that something wasn't thought through. Imo, though, if you can get through it all, the last part of the final trial is absolutely worth it to get through. It was so fun, it made up for the weeks it took my friend and I to finally get around to finishing it. We were both loudly brainstorming and trying to guess what was going to happen, and I was shouting about evidence law like every other line for a good half hour. This is a case that, if I was going to play it again with another friend, I would follow a guide to skip through anything boring/mostly unimportant so we could just get to the good bits already. Tldr: I'm not a big fan of it overall, but it is 100% worth playing through for the final trial ladder #2 alone. That and the full finale for the case are incredibly well done, and produced some of my favorite sprites/poses in the entire series.
Rise from the Ashes is definitely in my top 3 cases of all time, only beaten by Bridge to the Turnabout and Farewell, My Turnabout. Yes, the investigations and cross-examinations are long, but neither of those things bothered me that much. I think a big reason why it was so good was because of Damon Gant. That man still ranks as one of my favorite villains of all time. Even better than Manfred von Karma (feel free to fight me on this one). His sarcastic, yet intimidating personality all fitted so well with him. The more I play RFTS, the more I like it. I can't speak on behalf of anyone else who feels differently about this case, tho. I can clearly see why this is such a controversial case. Some people love it, some people hate it.
It's good, definitely. Though I find myself more taken with the obvious end to the trilogy, it has to be stated that this case is a standalone, while 3-4 has had humongous setup over multiple games. That the two are often compared makes me think this fact showcases superior writing in Rise from the Ashes. Most of the reasons people dislike the case is because of the clunky gameplay anyway, and it's really all about writing to me.
i agree that edgeworth leaving the prosecutor's office because of this case is way better than because of turnabout goodbyes, but it sucks that the aa trilogy didn't capitalize on this in any rereleases. like jfa still goes on pretending rfta never happened in the aa trilogy releases. the case itself was insanely long and it felt like after every day you get more and more evidence you only use one time. holding on to that screwdriver for three days was testament to that. also i think i might just be lucky or something but i first tried the badger-vase thing both on ds and on the hd trilogy, so it wasn't that bad for me. the evidence room video section still sucks though. however, the case was also very interesting and exhilarating at points though. landing the finishing blows with edgeworth at the end were amazing, and the killer's breakdown was incredible. gant's "damage" sprite is still one of my favorites in the entire series spoilers for gaac: the parallels between this case and 2-5 were incredible, i'm glad it got a better spiritual successor in this case in terms of pacing and fun (and no bullshit sections like the vase and video)
Its a bit too long winded, Angel Starr is one of the worst people when it came to testifying in the franchise, and the jar puzzle sucked, but besides that it was pretty good, and Gant is definitely one of the most iconic AA villains, which is weird because Redd White supposedly had him wrapped around his finger.
I absolutely love this one. It's not quite my absolute favorite but it comes close. Ema's character in this case is easily one of my favorite in the series and I love her character design and personality here. (sadly AJ did not do her justice...) and seeing her trauma and all the pain everyone had to go through only made me more motivated to find the culprit. The whole mystery involving SL-9 and how Edgeworth and Lana were being manipulated by the insanely great and evil villain Damon Gant might be one of the best stories in any case. The length was definitely a bit much, but I didn't mind it too much. I also liked the lack of spirit channeling stuff. Don't get me wrong, I like the Feys and their story but I much prefer the realistic half of everything. Overall, absolutely great case. I do think 2-4, 3-5, and I2-5 beat it out but that's it. Easy 10/10 case
If I look at it in a vacuum, RftA is my favorite case in the entire series. I think it's amazing. However, I can agree that it's out of place being pushed as the grand finale of AA1. IIRC, in Japan it was released as a side-story, rather than just a part of the first game, and I think it works better there.
I think it's the best case they have ever made. I was replaying it again along with my wife was playing it for the first time. I have played to this case about three or four times at that point. Despite all of that, it still had me feeling like it was a brand new case
tbh i just watched the blue badger video like 3 times tbh. all the things you have to point out on it its big and obvious. like i knew the white thing was gonna apear at the end even before watching it. and the moment you have to make the jar seem like the blue badger i had SO MUCH LUCK i did it on the first try. like the destiny wanted me to have the best experience cause i actually suck most of the time lol
Rise from the ashes has lots of Great Characters. Damon Gant has to be one of my favorite villains in Ace Attorney. His theme is both goofy and elegant at first when you meet him however it has this creepy tone to it after you discover all the stuff he has been doing to blackmail Lana. Camera and Jar sections tho are ass, there is no denying it.
Ong he legit seemed like a simple humble dude and I actually loved him. Until later u start uncovering the truth…. He is by far one of the best villains in the ace attorney series
This case is what I call the Lancelot case. As it changes so much, all for the sake of advertising one character, ema skye. it didn’t need to exist, it doesn’t make much sense that it exists, but here we are.
It says a lot when you literally get so bored of a case within the first day in an ace attorney game, that you dont even want to finish it. The only reason I ever want to finish it is bc the characters. They were so entertaining in a case that would make me wanna play the other 2 games instead bc they aren't this case.
To me the bads in this case pale in comparison to the goods. I liked the new forensic tools and the 3D stuff a lot (except that fucking vase). Watching the security camera footage and trying to find clues was so cool, it made me feel like a detective going frame by frame (although I agree on the music being annoying part). Also figuring shit out without a guide was SOOOO satisfying, holy shit, especially the final piece of evidence showing that Ema was innocent. Also Gant is so intimidating, my god. One of the best villains in the series, period. The twists were fantastic too, thinking that Ema of all people killed a dude, even on accident, was so bitter. And Edgeworth and Phoenix teaming up to bring Gant down was awesome. 9/10 would play again. I just wished there was a "Story Mode" like in the Great Ace Attorney Chronicles to fast forward the slower parts.
I think the only gripe I have with it is the difficulty spike. I'm now starting the second game in the series and wow it is such a comforting breeze after Rise from the Ashes. Seriously, I had only searched for a guide once and that was for that loch monster case thing, and for Rise from the Ashes I had to keep searching what the contradictions were like 6+ times D:. But yeah, the story was really immersive and it was great!
As a new ace attorney fan I’m happy to see that the community is still going strong online. I wish I was apart of it during its hay day and not just familiar with the memes, but better late than never! (No Apollo justice or miles Edgworth game spoilers please! Still need to finish Apollo and start Edgworth)
When I first played this game way back when I considered it the best case in the first game and I still do even though I do now feel it's just slightly too long. In terms of a tier list I would give Rise From The Ashes a strong A verging on an S but still below other masterpieces like Farewell, My Turnabout and easily the best case in the entire franchise, Bridge to the Turnabout.
The length is my primary issue with it. I do, however, think this is mainly a presentation issue. If it had been split in two parts like the final case in AA5 the length would probably have been fine.
My first exposure to the Ace Attorney franchise was this game on the DS around a decade ago. The cases prior to this one were all great, but the gameplay was getting a bit stale by the end. Then suddenly we get a new case with new gameplay elements including forensics. It surprised me and got me hooked on the rest of the Ace Attorney games. I still look back on it as one of my favourite cases in the franchise. I could imagine it being long and tedious on repeat playthroughs, though. Despite some crazy moments, the first game is by far the most grounded in reality. I love the rest of the trilogy, as well as Apollo Justice and parts of the Investigations games, but the first game will always be the one I look back most fondly upon.
i liked it, especially since I was on a lot of pain pills when i played it, which made it go by a lot faster. The port I played made it so I only failed at the jar once, and the only thing I really disliked was the fact that Gant, a man smart enough to make that massive plan in the space of a few minutes, didn't realize that the handprint should have a bloodstain on it for over a year. In his defense, he didn't know about the photo, but the fact that his own evidence was his downfall really seemed like a plot hole.
I really enjoyed it mainly because I'm too poor to afford the game myself so I watched RTgames play it. Not only was it fun to figure out a puzzles along with someone else, he does a great job with the voices. But besides that the case itself is such an interesting one. The characters have so much depth and personality. It's set up in such a unique way. I want to give this case more praise but I just can't think of the words to express it properly.
I feel so mixed about Rise from ashes and a lot of my problems really comes down to this: This case really should been after Trails and tribulations. Both Phoenix and Edgeworth characterizations feels like it was straight out of T&T as you said. And I really didn't like that Edgeworth turned out to not have partaken in forgery, I feel like it kind of undermines his character development of going from a corrupt lawyer to a guy who will strive to find the truth as fair as possible. It would've made more sense that Phoenix stopped taking cases for a bit just rest up and reflect after bridge to turnabout and would also very easily explain Maya and Pearl absence as they'd do the same. And of course, the length and the gimmicks that overstate their welcome is a huge factor in my problems with this case. And there is a lot of other problems I have that will be basically a huge essay. But man I can ignore those problems when it pays off with Phoenix and Miles teaming up to taking down Gant. That's one of the series biggest highlight and line of Edgey saying to Gant "Just sit there and feel the noose tighten around your neck!" is one of the most awesome lines in video games ever.
I used to complain about how long the case was years ago. However, I don't see it as too much of an issue anymore since recent AA games have cases that are almost just as long as RFA, if not longer. Plus, GAC has made me love RFA even more than I already did. Alot of things in that game reminds me of stuff from this case.
The best parallel I'd say for this case is oddly FNAF Siter Location. Alot of people talk about it being the best game or their favorite because they watched a playthrough of it. Actually playing the game is very annoying and frustrating. Rise from the Ashes is easily top tier story wise, despite the convoluted nature of it, with its gameplay holding its replayability back significantly
I really feel like this case better transitions the first game to JFA. Edgeworth's "choosing death" and change of viewpoint makes a lot more sense under the context of this case, rather than coming Turnabout Goodbyes.
I somewhat enjoyed this case, but it seemed way too long to me, and i also had to use a guide several times. The game expected me to present the same vase over and over, and i was honestly a little frustrated because a case of this length was way too much for my pea brain i guess. But i still liked the story a lot and found Damon brilliant, both because of his somewhat friendly and charismatic tone in court but also because of his plan. But i personally prefer aa2s last case because again, its not as long as RFTA. Not sure about aa3s yet, as i just recently started case 5, but i am hopeful it will be pretty good.
I really liked this case but I think I would've liked it more if I had just watched a let's play (like I did with the 2nd half of jfa and all of tat) because the difficultly spike is large. also fuck that jar.
I played through this case recently and loved it, I almost cried when Ema hugged Lana after all that they've been through But it does have some downfalls which you mentioned. Cross-examining Angel a million times. 2000 pieces of evidence. The video, and of course... THE FUCKING JAR
Kinda late, but I definitely agree with all the points you brought there. Another thing I would like to mention (maybe just a small nitpick of mine) are the testimonies, especially Angel's. God, I fucking hated the part where I needed to cross-examine her, because her testimony was full of holes. I know she was lying, I just couldn't prove it for some reason. Definitely the most frustrating testimony in the original trilogy, if you ask me.
Oh man I remember playing this case and getting stuck multiple times on parts like lining up the jar with the blue badger and that video tape, still though I find the case enjoyable even if it really long and sometimes frustrating lol
I love how in this case Edgeworth never seems to be antagonistic towards Phoenix and instead just wants to find the true culprit just as much as he does showing how much he's changed.
feels like post JFA Edgeworth, which is weird
It seemed to me more that Edgeworth is sick of the case and just wants to be done with it so that it never bothers him again, as evidenced by the "You want a minute? I'll give you three." line. At first I thought this was the case because he found the case tedious (though this is my projection more than anything), but on second thought, I think that Edgeworth had the feeling that the evidence was forged and the guilt was eating him from the inside. He wanted to face the truth rather than hide from it.
@@TallTapper really? jfa edgeworth seemed a lot more sure of himself, rfta edgeworth felt very much so on the brink of falling apart. he didn't really feel truth-seeking, rather he was repentative and guilty, HENCE he sought the truth and the truth only. which i think actually helped his character in the long-run, it honestly made the transition from his initial characterization a lot smoother.
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@@TallTapper and this information is relevant how...? i'm just putting out my own thoughts under the first comment i saw lol
The badger security video is absolutely hilarious in how the culprit's face is obscured the entire time. I laugh every time I watch it.
Lmao yep super convenient
Didn't they say it's because Jake Marshall knew where the cameras were and how to avoid them?
@@Bladehound83 That explains why he can't be seen leaving, but that the flag covers his face perfectly during the altercation is pure art.
I feel like that look was perfectly made. It matches the poorly made feel of the blue badger and actually serves the game a real purpose beyond looking like Gumshoe made it.
@@Bladehound83 He knew but the situation changed and his face would appear on camera... Except, by his short-term lucky, the badger was there.
I absolutely despise this case. Great story, great side characters, great villain, absolute agony to actually play through cause of the length and awkward new gameplay mechanics. If I have to watch that Meekins video again I'm going to lose it
This is my exact opinion on it, honestly. If they maybe marked it in game as a full bonus case you could go into a separate menu for and not 1-5, then I would be fine with it, but as it is, the gameplay and length can't be excused.
Omg it’s schaff
At least it's the very end of the game, so you can call Turnabout Goodbyes the end of AA1 and move onto 2 with no consequence.
Yooo it's schaff
It's always a little crazy to see someone big you watch comment on a random video
Now I hope we can see some AA videos
Ok the case being long is a major disadvantage but how the "new game play mechanic" is mind numbingly bad is beyond me:/I'm disappointed schaffrillas.
Anyway This case, third case of investigation 2, second case of dgs are my alltime favorites
The best way I can describe this case is... eerie. The almost entirely different cast and the length, difficulty spike, and completely new methods of investigation would be enough to make it feel distinct on their own. But IMO what makes it stand out so much from the other cases is the atmosphere.
The intro is much more dynamic, mysterious and ominous than most other cases - I don't think any other one has such a powerful combination - and the pictures are also very striking and violent (more explicitly so than other cases). The characters are more mature - you talked about Phoenix, Edgeworth is still reeling from DL6 and its consequences on his world view, and most of the cast is involved in this dark, ominous secret similarly to Turnabout Sisters, but cranked up to 11. Lastly, the theme of forging evidence is deeply entwined with the mystery and violence of SL9, and has a huge impact on the characters; it's the only time it's examined in the trilogy, and the next time it's mentioned it's in AJ, where we learn it cost Phoenix his fricking badge.
Even though I don't enjoy playing through it because of this ominous vibe, I think Rise from the Ashes is a great case with a unique voice and role in the story. The only cases that rival its atmosphere (in strength and nature) are, for me, Turnabout Beginnings and Bridge to the Turnabout. Thanks for the video, great work as always!
When I first saw the intro I thought Mia killed someone
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@@zeldaenby224I am surprised by so few people talking about it
I remember playing this case for the first time after hearing about it before, and something clicked. The reason why this case feels so long is that it's basically 3 smaller cases back-to-back
Each investigation-day section focuses on a different crime scene, a different murder taking place, and a different set of characters each. I think that rationalization made me like the pacing of the case a lot more when I separated it into pieces like that-
Damn! I've never thought about it that way! And this is actually my favorite case ever XD
The thing I loved the most on this case was the absence of Mia, it's the thing that I hated the most throughout the trilogy and having a giant case without a cheap solution like Mia magically appearing and saving the day felt so good and satisfactory. But yeah, going into JFA afterwards and not having a case like this or any reference of the characters from it for the rest of the trilogy felt really disappointing as a new player.
Mia does appear (not credited) in a few lines on the last day, but it's not certain if it's just imagination or actually Mia.
And here's where the investigations series comes in
Emo skye
> as a new player
I mean, as a new player myself with the Switch release, I at least knew these were GBA games first, and got a bunch of rereleases. So when we get to the end of the game, it says "BONUS CASE" and it's full of DS mechanics, it was pretty obvious this case was added after the fact and that the sequels would have none of this.
I mean we do see Blue Badger references all over the other two games in the trilogy.
Obviously those references were made before 1-5 was even conceived, but it kinda helps the case fit in with the rest for me
Rise of the Ashes is one of if not the best cases when taken as a stand-alone. It’s still top tier to me by any categorization, but the fact that it’s technically a filler case while having all the emotional weight of a concluding case for a game is just incredible to me. I also personally love how long it is. I am sometimes sad at how short some of the ace attorney cases are, and this is one of the few cases that truly feels like you get down to the wire as it takes the full three days to resolve, which is doubled down on the fact that the SL9 incident was about to be permanently closed due to the evidence transferal. Damon Gant is one of the greatest villains in the whole franchise and all the side characters are not only enjoyable but most are also deeply layered in a way that most side characters in the franchise usually aren’t. Overall I love this case and it’s clearly a top 5 case in the franchise to me.
When I first played Rise from the Ashes on DS. I loved it! However, playing it again when it came out on switch. It felt like it just dragged on and on. The twists were very twisty tho
That's definitely a problem with games like AA. Replay value isn't really there.
@@tbone415 idk man
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@@tbone415 i replay once every few years. after a couple of years, i remember the basic outline, but not the specifics. because of that, the challenge returns and a few of the twists even land.
2/3 of the video is just a summary of the case
The important thing to remember is that RFTA was never made to be "part" of the trilogy or the first game, it was written and marketed as it's own miniature game that acted as a gaiden (side-story) for the previous games. That's why it feels so disconnected from the rest of it, it's meant to be its own self-contained narrative.
i know am late but why does ema skye return to older games?
@@hubshka5654cuz shes cool
yeah in japan they always market it as a different game
Rise from the Ashes was the best case for me. The plot and mystery really had me hooked. All the characters were memorable. Ema, Lana, Gant, Angel Starr, Jake Marshall (ok except Meekins, I hate him and I hate how he's the only character other than Ema to return to the series). And I also loved the "SL-9 Incident" soundtrack. Perfect for this case, where it was all over for everyone already.
I'm extremely sad that Jake Marshall and his banger theme didn't come back :( It's especially weird because with many other characters they frequently use the "joke" possibilities of their themes or characteristics as much as they can (e. g. Grossberg's hemorrhoids or Bikini's back problems), and they had a great occasion to do that with the return of Jake and his cowboy theme. But they just... didn't give him a return, which to me is just so unlike them :T
I was watching the blue badger video thinking how to figure out it might not be Goodman. And I thought, maybe I'm missing a detail elsewhere, looking at the locker in the court record, I realized the single clue I was missing. It was a swell 2nd trial day from there.
I think I may be the only person who likes meekins lol
The part where Edgeworth said “state your profession” to meekins and having him respond “murderer, sir!” Was so so so fucking funny
I love this case because of how dark it was. Damon Gant imo is the most terrifying villain in the series. He is willing to do anything to cover his tracks and that is terrifying.
@Samoht Still Lives!!! Good choice. His transformation was probably one of the best in the series.
The main villains of the 4th and 5th games also do some seriously shady sh¡t while covering their tracks.
Karma was way worse
The fact that he literally attacks Phoenix and Maya with that crazy stare and was a killer aleardy shows how fucked he was
The fact that he mentored Edgeworth even knowing what he did
Karma was crazy
What's terrifying to me about Gant is the sheer level of power he has. A villain with institutional control will always be more frightening to me than one that is just acting alone, even if other villains can take more direct actions. That he had the power to fire so many detectives and keep Lana wrapped around his finger so long implies to me that there could be far, far more that he was able to cover up. Von Karma was terrifying, but at the end of the day he was one man; Gant's crimes were systemic
@@neoonewingedren1836karma is an obvious crazy asshole from day 1. Gant, on the other hand, seems so cheery, even after everything comes out. That makes him more unnerving
As someone who dislikes whenever Mia helps Phoenix solve cases, I appreciate having a full case without her, even if it's inconsistent with Phoenix's competence after this case. The added minigames are also nice, but I agree that their placement in the series is awkward and makes the other two games feel like a downgrade gameplaywise. Maybe they should have placed it after Trials and Tribulations because the case is so self-contained that I don't think it would have made a difference.
I really enjoyed the writing and thriller of this case, especially Edgeworth's portrayal and having a deeper look at the setting's police force. I agree with the criticisms that it's too long, though. It takes up almost half of the first game's playtime and there's a lot of filler they could cut to make it in line with the other cases. I also don't think it was necessary for it to have 3 days.
Also, a small bit of trivia: the English script for Justice for All didn't acknowledge this case at all in the DS and Wii versions, and only said that Edgeworth's last trial before his "death" was his own trial. It wasn't until the HD remaster on 3DS that they finally adjusted the script to mention this case as well. I don't know if this error was in the other languages, but it caused a lot of speculation on whether Rise from the Ashes was canon until Ema and Meekins appeared in Apollo Justice, 2 years later.
Are there any dialogues that reference it in JFA? I can't remember any and I played the 3DS version. :(
@@Halkemlol They simply changed "He never set foot in court after that trial." (in context with Turnabout Goodbyes) to "He never set foot in court after that trial, and the one after that."
@@Valvadrix Oh it's only natural I didn't notice it then lol Thanks!
this case was only added to the ds version; it wasn’t in the GBA ver and it was treated as dlc on the wii, so that’s probably why it wasn’t treated as cannon?
Another funny thing is the ending credits of AA1 show Phoenix and Edgeworth in another trial after Turnabout Goodbyes but before RFTA, and every dialogue and canon moment ever just forgets this trial that happened during the credits.
I personally love this case, though it is, as you said, very clearly written after Trials and Tribulations.
Emma was a fun sidekick, and her being scientifically inclined made her stand out from the more spiritual abilities of Maya. And one of my favorite things is taking down Gant. He feels larger than life and absolutely untouchable for most of the case, and I, like most English speaking AA fans, first played this case immediately after finishing Turnabout Goodbyes for the first time, so I felt like an absolute *badass* taking down von Karma and Gant back to back.
sameeeeeee
I love Rise from the Ashed honestly. It was the first huge case in the series, and the first huge case that I experienced. Even after finishing the trilogy, it took me a while to admit to myself that Farewell my Turnabout and Bridge to the Turnabout are better, because I just had such huge nostalgia goggles for Rise from the Ashes.
For real man, it’s the chief of police that you are accusing and you expect it to be as easy as another case ?
its far from a bad case, it just feels like it doesn't belong in this game, and its really noticeable the more you think about it.
its also just far too long compared to most other cases, and you made a solid point regarding how phoenix is somehow a 4d chess master in this part of the timeline, i never thought about that being an issue before.
yeah, i was reacting to the case in my friend's discord DMs a few days ago and one of the first things i said after i finished it was "it’s really cool but also it feels like a fanfiction and i don’t know why", not to mention the name is completely different from the other case names, it doesn't have turnabout in it, someone on tumblr said that turnabout from the ashes would have been a much better name and i agree with that
I don't really agree with 4D chessmaster. It was Edgeworth leading the trial along mostly (including letting Phoenix choose the witnesses and with a copious amount of hinting at that), and the only remarkable trick Phoenix had was leaving the Rules of Evidence to trap Gant. Even the whole 'Gant not allowed to make a statement' was something Gant knowingly did to himself.
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"[the name] doesn't have turnabout in it"
you can blame the localization for that. the japanese name is 蘇る逆転, which has 逆転 in it.
Cross-examining Meekins forced me to turn down the volume and I fucking love playing aa with full volume
Other then that the case is great ignoring the fact I was heavily relying on a guide
Me too! Like dude can you stop using that megaphone noise for FIVE MINUTES??
It legitimately gave me a headache. I've never played a game with such an ear-piercing noise like that, like who thought that was a good idea.
It was a little confusing honestly playing it on the Ace Attorney Trilogy and suddenly having 3D models, but it was cool
I think solving this case is one of the most satisfying cases in the entire series, and the character work is excellent. Gant is a truly terrifying opponent in and out of court. That being said oh my god Mike Meekins is particularly annoying. But oh my god that jar. I knew what I was looking for and it still took me about 30 minutes on the switch, and it took me 45+ on the DS.
This is one of the real room-splitter cases to the point where I have seen it argued as either bad or as a favorite.
A lot of it to me comes down to not minding the length, liking the Skye sisters as individuals, finding Gant an intimidating and worthwhile challenge in spite of his easily identifiable role in the grand scheme, and brushing aside the retcon with Edgeworth's retirement. I really like this case even though I know it's got some flaws throughout. It has heart and ambition and made use of the system it was on to create something similar to the DLC cases in games much later.
RFTA is excellent... in Japan. In America, it's only okay.
Now I know what you're thinking, "what are you TALKING about? They're the same game!" Quite. But the context is different. In Japan, RFTA is a special-edition bonus case. It's a prequel case for people who have already beaten the trilogy to sweeten the deal on rebuying a game they already own. Thus, it's the hardest game in the series so that it offers a meaty challenge to fans, it exposes neat lore stuff that those fans might enjoy, and it also gives them a sneak peak at the new mechnics and characters (well, character) who will feature in the shiny new Ace Attorney game currently in development. In that context it's amazing. In America... it's a giant difficulty spike that comes out of nowhere, it's long, it's weirdly placed, and probably turned a lot of players off.
>a giant difficulty spike that comes out of nowhere
It was placed at the very end of the game, if people expect the ending of a game to be easy then they shouldn't play games in the first place. You're acting like this was thrown into the story in the middle of the tutorial or something...
Really? I enjoyed it because it was difficult! Except the freaking jar alignment
@@abeke5523 Same. My biggest problem with the trial is that it drags in places.
i adored it because it was so huge, engaging, and “difficult” since it came at the end of the game
@@abeke5523using the keyboard controls helped me massively
Does anyone else like this case for the aesthetics and character designs?
If they rewritten some of the stuff in this case, this could’ve easily been a bonus case right after Bridge to the Turnabout imo.
Honestly my favorite case in the series.
The reason? Damon Gant's theme. Every time you listen in the case, it gives a more and more sinister feel. The satisfaction after you finally win is unmatched by any case that I've played.
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For my part, I really liked the trial sections of Rise from the Ashes (outside of the fucking blue bastard video), however I found the investigation portions dragged on far too long, and were often pointlessly convoluted with what evidence you needed to present to whom to carry on with the investigation (especially given there was so much bloody evidence in this case). Honestly, outside of Apollo Justice (which has a similar approach to investigations as RFTA) this case has the most irritating and pointlessly difficult investigation portions of the entire series, which is why I think it just doesn't feel like it fits in the original trilogy. Still a bloody great story though, nailing Gant at the end was almost as satisfying as the end of 3-5 for my money. If you're going to play it use a guide during the investigation segments liberally. Also Jake Marshall's theme slaps HARD
The badger video can definitely burn in hell, yes. I had to look up a guide for that and the investigation sequences, and those dragged HARD. But the trial parts were great (especially the last part) and I agree with tbone that this gives Edgeworth a better reason to go be emo for a year.
I didn't find the difficulty that high but I still used a guide whenever I got stuck, sometimes there's really no clue of what to do, but eh, that's what guides are for. Aside from a few times needing such guide, the case as a whole wasn't hard
I thought the difficulty was justified as it's the finale of the game. But I had to use a guide to get out of the evidence room because I had no idea what the game wanted me to do.
I did the vase thing first try without a guide, honestly it confused me when I heard people complaining about it before I found out how lucky I was
rise from the ashes was such a good case to me, i played it over the course of a 3 week holiday
Before getting to this case, I had a feeling Edgeworth's choice of car would be a red Corvette 😁EDIT: But I see your points and yeah, the case definitely is very polarizing, it also has high highs and low lows. For me, Damon Gant really carried the case for me, they did a good job showing how an evil person can pretend to be friendly and sociable.
I’ll tell you when I’m done with that VASE
Yeah me too
I put this case right up there with Turnabout Goodbyes, no question. They had great characters and captivating storylines that kept me on the edge of my seat throughout.
I don't know why do you desribe RTFA's difficulty as a bad thing, it's exactly the reason i love this case so much. So many evidences, so many vital witnesses involved, and just the way the murder was done makes it the most interesting experience i had with Ace Attorney series.
Still my favourite case in the canon, for three reasons:
- The creepy atmosphere, particularly caused by the fact that you are partly investigating an old serial killer case. Even the name "DL-6 incident" sounds creepy.
- The overwhelming feeling from early on that you were uncovering an enormous conspiracy, and you didn't know what it was, who was friend and who was foe (or sometimes, who was both)
- Less of the supernatural. I am actually not bothered by this aspect in the series, but in this particular case the absence of it was perfectly appropriate.
I played it a while ago so I'm not entirely sure, but due to new mechanics, different characterizations, and Length, this case felt like its own entire game which was extremely tiring for me. I love Ema and her Snackoos, and I don't think this case is bad, but especially after the conclusion of turnabout goodbyes, I wanted this case to be over halfway through it.
Also this case made me feel ST00PID
ok.
love the enthusiasm.
but...
ema doesn't start eating snackoos until apollo justice.
My #1 issue with this case is its length. I LITERALLY called it a marathon right after I finished it. While the intro looks cool it's not REALLY accurate to the actual crime.
That being said I do agree that this game helps justify Edgeworth's actions between AA1 & AA2.
On a side note: still can't believe Edgeworth was never formally accused of murder. Or that Mike Meekins was accused at all after looking at that video tape.
Oh, and if Ema wasn't so likable I would have loathed defending Lana at all. It doesn't help that Phoenix doesn't even WANT to take the case until Ema BEGS him.
Other odd points:
1) Evidence Law MATTERS all of a sudden.
2) Perjury is actually mentioned (I don't remember it coming up in any other case in the trilogy).
3) Phoenix gets fired as Lana's Attorney (but it's ignored?).
4) Gumshoe gets fired by Gant (but it's ignored?).
5) This case almost feels TOO self contained to the point of feeling seperate from not only AA1, but the entire trilogy.
PS- I love the Blue Badger and his themesong. :)
"I love the Blue Badger and his theme song"
Sir, I think you may be a psychopath
1) - The evidence law book given actually doesn't contradict a single presentation of evidence in the trilogy (Fun fact, it actually does prevent the presentation of the last piece of evidence in Apollo justice's last case!)
2) It isn't, but it's definitely good that it is, and it's a trend that gradually improved in Takumi's games to the point where in Tgaa almost every single case of blatent perjury (At least, for the first time per witness) is admonished directly by the judge.
3) - Edgeworth immediately objects to Lana's statement and basically says "That's horseshit someone is clearly manipulating you"
4) - Gumshoe presumably is still fired during day 3, and is re-hired after Gant is proven to be the mastermind and stripped of his power.
5. yeah that was pretty much the plan, it was never a part of the storyline until the DS release, pretty much its only purpose is to introduce ema and introduce the new evidence examining mechanics
one more weird thing for me is that, didn't Gant revoke his right to make statements by refusing to testify but then proceeded to give statements anyway
@@manhmo I think the difference is that he was kinda forced to, instead of voluntarily giving statements
So I love this case but one thing I'll never get is the name not having turnabout that's been messing with me since I first played it.
It's a play on Phoenix. Since a Phoenix rises from the ashes.
@@tbone415 I see that but it just makes it feel like a wierd outlier
@Zack 113 that makes more sense wonder why they dropped it for the English release
@@charscreamAA "Turnabout from the ashes" wouldn't sound bad, I think.
I think the name is supposed to show how unique and dramatic it is
I loved this case, and especially the cast. I feel it adds more context to Edgeworth’s arc in JFA, and the Skye sisters are some of my favourite characters conceptually in the original trilogy. Gant manages to feel on par with Von Karma in terms of threat, and the final trial moments versus him is the pinnacle of AA1 imo. It certainly has problems, such as the length (the speedrun for RFTA is the same length as 1-1, 1-2, 1-3 and 1-4 combined) but the cast and brilliant twists more than make up for it for me.
Personally, I really love Rise from the Ashes. It does feel a bit out of place; I remember playing the trilogy and feeling a bit off when it started as I didn't think there would be another case after the first four in the first game, but I ended up really enjoying the longevity of it. I know that part specifically can be what turned people off on it, but I really do enjoy the long cases as most of the time they feel really thought out to me. I liked the storyline they set up and the revelations that happen throughout the gameplay--those are what kept me extremely engaged in this one. Though, once I finished it I had to take a small break from AA simply for how much time it took.
I really liked this case as a standalone thing one of the strongest in the series. I did fine phoenixs reaction in 2-4 a bit weird since he actively was helping wright in this case pretty blatantly.theurs also the wrights competency issue you brought up. I think this may have been better situated after the trilogy. In the case itself I don't think it would effect to much besides some slight changes to the time and it would make a kinda cool comeback for Edgeworth to be chief prosecutor despite the scandal he had in contrast to phoenixs similar downfall that would happen shortly later. Also it's DS mechanics would be less out of place as the next game we would play would be Apollo justice.
I think some of the acts are stronger than others.
The parking garage segment and Angel's cross examination are painful to get through.
But the part where you have to solve the two murders in different places makes it so interesting and keeps me on edge to see what comes next.
Finally going head to head against Gant is thrilling!
It's a pretty long case, but I feel that the characters and the way that it utilizes the gameplay make up for it.
Honestly, I absolutely loved this case and my only real complaint with it was the sheer length and sometimes the feeling of dragging on after itself. However, I honestly loved the plot, as well as how Phoenix does this mostly under his own merit with some help from Edgeworth-there are no spiritual tricks or Mia coming from the dead to save him; he and Edgeworth trap Gant by themselves. I honestly loved Damon Gant as a villain, too.
I know the whole thing with spirituality has significant and appropriate meaning in Japanese culture, but it was a really big turn-off for me from the future games as a western player.
In my opinion it's important consider this case separate from the rest of the first Ace Attorney. It's so different in tone and in characters. It's a lot darker and I actually appreciated it. I don't think it's one of the best, but I think it's a very memorable case and is definitely somewhere in the upper middle of case rankings.
I recently finished the AA trilogy on Switch and for the most part the cases kept on getting better with ever case I did but Rise of the Ashes felt off imo. I don't really know how to describe it but I just wasn't a fan of cases story till the last quarter of it. Length is a factor in it but imo this is the first AA trial where I had more fun investigating for evidence then the court segment as I found myself using a guide to get through most the trial something I didn't want to do while playing these games.
Same, it was the only case in the entire trilogy where I had to use a guide for the court segments because I was so completely lost at some points that I didn't even know what I was supposed to be proving anymore. It was really frustrating having to do that bc I felt like an idiot, but it got to the point where I just wanted the whole thing to be over. I also feel like the pacing of the whole thing was really off. Guess it didn't help that it came just after Turnabout Goodbyes which felt like the perfect ending to the first game.
I feel like this was one of the more f*cked up cases.
The meekins video was straight up eerie and creepy and having to look closely at bloody fingerprints made me uneasy.
Not to mention the B plot of this case is all about the corrupt and unjust ways prosecutors put people in prison.
There were people who lose their jobs, family and free will because of the old case that was completely based on fake evidence.
Also the villain is kinda messed up. Grant was really intimidating to me, just his natural sprite staring into my soul as the music fades out made me know how powerful this man was. He was a lovely man at first and I enjoyed his nicknames and funny quips a lot. But he activated my flight or fight reflex every time I felt like we made him mad or said something we shouldn’t have.
The way he killed Neil Marshell freaked me out. We were lead to believe that no matter how you look at it, Neil was killed in some way during the fight with Joe Dark, we just don’t know who killed him or how he died. But then it turns out that he WASNT killed during the fight and was just unconscious when Grant found him. So Grant PICKED UP AN ALIVE MAN AND SKEWERED HIM ON A SPEAR.
The case was just kinda more f*cked up in some places and more serious I think.
I think my biggest problem with this case is what it did with Edgeworth's character. Turnabout Sisters sets him up so perfectly as a scumbag with the updated autopsy report, and then the rest of the game serves as a redemption arc that culminates with his return in Farewell, My Turnabout. But this one retcons his character so that he only ever presented false evidence once, and it was by complete accident, meaning apparently the updated autopsy report was completely legitimate and he never had anything to atone for in the first place.
Like your complaint about how it felt like Phoenix was written as his post-T&T self, Edgeworth felt like he was written with an understanding of where his character ended up, but with the writers having forgotten where he was at this point.
Thank you!
That's exactly how I feel!
I mean, think back to Turnabout Sisters
Phoenix and Maya were at some of their worse moments, both from an emotional and psychological perspective.
If Edgeworth was willing to "update" an autopsy report (first trial) just to spite the defense, and was clearly all for allowing an obviously shady individual in front of him (during the second trial) to get away with everything, who knows what other atrocities he must have committed under von Karma's guidance? 'Cause you can't tell me that Dracula wasn't all up in Miles' business during his every-day life too...
Edgeworth was an absolute dick here. (also in 3-4)
It would have bene so interesting to see his development from there. What a wasted opportunity...
Still love this case, though😬
I disagree with that for two reason. Firstly, RFTA only establishes that he didn't knowingly forge evidence in this one case. It doesn't mean that he didn't do it in any case before or after it. Also he definately did abuse the system to put innocents behind bars during his career up until Turnabout Samurai.
The second reason is that I feel it retroactively improves his decision to leave and his eventual rebirth in farewell. He doesn't just leave because of the trauma of Von Carma's case. He leaves because of the realization of what he had become. And that comes because of what Gant tells him near the end. "We're the same you and I. One day you'll understand"
I've never interpreted the revised autopsy report as forged, though I guess I can understand why someone might. But ever since my first playthrough I've always thought it was a legit second autospy that Edgeworth kept secret as a gotcha trap. A jerk move and still kind of shady, but not a forgery.
I think the implication from Edgeworth's dialog in 1-5 is that even if he didn't know the evidence was forged, he was overly laser-focused on getting a guilty verdict above all else. So he looked the other way on a sketchy case, not asking questions about shaky evidence when he should have known better. Which is certainly not as bad as doing the forging, but he feels more responsible for it than a simple "accident." It makes sense he'd have an existential crisis over it on the heels of 1-4 and I think it fits pretty well with his character arc ((also Justice for All does reference this case in the updated script).
I actually think that "demon prosecutor" Edgeworth would push the law to its limits (including in sketchy and probably unethical ways) to get the guilty verdict but wouldn't cross the line to outright breaking it fits better with his arc and characterization as a whole through the series than someone who deliberately forges evidence. If he didn't care about justice at all he wouldn't have helped you with Dee Vasquez, and that was before he had any major personal event that would change him.
I first played Rise from the Ashes after it had already been added, and I really liked it- its one my favorite cases for sure and has some great characters, story wise on level with the finale cases. I was disappointed though at the time when Rise from the Ashes had no relevance to anything else in the trilogy- for the 2nd and 3rd game, it's as if that case didn't exist. I also thought it was weird for Phoenix's arc that he disliked all prosecutors in case 2 of Justice for All, saying to Pearl that they were "all the same" when he just defended Lana earlier that year.
I now of course understand why that's the case, as it was written after Justice for All and Trials and Tribulations, but at the time I was hoping and actually expecting one of the characters from that game to return cause of how strong they were.
(No spoilers for later games please, I've only played the trilogy).
What's interesting to me is that in this game, we have an example of Phoenix unknowingly breaking Psyche Locks when he confronts Lana Skye about Gant blackmailing her. I'm more of a fan of the more down to earth Ace Attorney games and this was really pleasing to play through.
i honestly love this chapter the most out of all the cases in the first game, cause the twists were so good. i never saw them coming
my top 3 cases in the trilogy are:
1. bridge to the turnabout
2. farewell, my turnabout
3. rise from the ashes
these all were really close for me honestly, and the twists had me extremely invested.
(also i failed to present the contradictions in the video more times than id like to admit)
Gant was probably the most satisfying villain to break down. Yeah couple of the mini games were Bad and Meeks with his megaphone screeching was annoying, but I really enjoyed this case.
The stakes were abnormally high. It wasn’t just one killer getting away and one person being wrongly convicted. This was a corrupt police chief. If Felt very good to take him down.
I like this case simply because we don't really get help from Mia, since there is no spirit medium on sight. Incorporating spiritual things like spirit medium (and later on the ability to detect lies) is kinda fun but it does feel cheap at times.
I wouldn’t call it my favorite case in the series (that goes to 2-4 easily), but I enjoyed it more than certain other cases **cough cough turnabout big top cough cough**
Anything's better than turnabout big top. Especially when you soft lock yourself halfway through and have to restart
@@firegirl2593 wait how do you softlock in that trial??
@@firegirl2593 unpopular opinion: Turnabout Big Top is good
@@МанфредФонКарма It's actually really decent. Case 2-1 is by far the worst. One does not simply break his neck and "have time to write down a name". That's f**** stupid.
@@МанфредФонКарма for once an unpopular opinion that is actually unpopular
As someone who only played the first game and half of the second, I think Rise From the Ashes is the best case of the entire game.
Phoenix is amazing in this case. Despite his triumph against von Karma, the guy found himself without a purpose. Maya is far away, Edgeworth is doing his own thing, so he's basically with no one there. No one he cares to help. That is until Ema showed up, and he kinda rediscovered his reason the become a defense attorney: help people who are suffering injustice.
I personaly liked the investigation system that Ema introduced. I really like examining stuff and getting new comments about what I find. I also like how smart Phoenix is in this trial. He's not a rookie anymore. He has beaten someone who was considered a god of prosecution in 2 different cases and gets him arrested in one of the worst scandals of the country, and he acts as the badass lawyer he had to be to pull all of this off. I think this was the most important episode for the character of Phoenix Wright, as he find his purpose once more and wins the trial without depending on one of Mia's channelings. He is a pro on his own and it's great to see him being treated as such.
I think Rise from the Ashes has one of the best stories out of all the Ace Attorney cases. Playing it, though? It's rough. It lasts too long, some of the puzzles require gargantuan leaps in logic, or just don't mentally prepare you for what's to come.
Story-wise: It's great
Gameplay-wise: It could be a lot better.
Gants honestly this guy gives off the most impressive vibe in the entirety of the ace attorney series. You can feels so overwhelm with him and his abuse of power is something that I find very impressive as much as his design is. His design is sooooo threatening even if you dont know how he is involve you can tell for sure he got a key role. You can get that vibe from other characters but Gants he stands out among the crowd to the point it kind of scary you can easily be like yep this guy the killer for sure idk what happen but he got the presence of the world on his shoulder that is beggin to be used
As a new player...I liked it a lot! My partner played the original trilogy as a kid but I hadn't, and since it was recently on sale for the Switch, they bought it for me. So when we got to this case, we were both experiencing it for the first time together since it didn't exist when they played as a kid. I really really liked the luminol and fingerprinting and was impressed they found a way to make it work on a system that wasn't the NDS.
The stakes in this got me too, I waffled for a while trying to determine whether to present the leather cloth (ultimately chose not to implicate Ema, then got chastised by Edgeworth after the circumstances changed). The fact that it is possible to get a bad ending is a thing I appreciate a lot. To be honest I struggled more with the moral dilemma here than I did in Farewell My Turnabout. Gant is a guy I love to hate because he's so sneaky and smarmy but slick about it so he's hard to catch. Cornering him was extremely satisfying.
The Blue Badger is easily the worst part of the case. Traumatized by that thing and its theme song. And yeah I'm pretty sure we tried doing the jar the "right" way, couldn't get it, tried some other ways, looked up a guide, and were like "oh come ON we literally tried that first!!". I will also add that I wish Ema had more of her own personality in this game as opposed to just being Maya 2.0. That said, if they ever release Apollo for Switch I'm sure it would be very up my alley.
I'm pretty biased but of the cases I've completed so far (all of the first two games, still playing through the third in the series), this one is very near the top for me. Both Farewell and Ashes are I think my two favorites thus far, followed by Goodbyes and Reunion. Samurai felt very long, Big Top has the fatal flaw of all the side characters being unlikable, and Sisters, while good, is very mid-tier compared to those later ones.
Still, overall, I'm having a blast and thoroughly enjoying myself! I can usually figure things out on my own fairly quickly so most of my frustration is being two steps ahead of where the game wants me to be and having to back track to figure out how it wants me to get there.
Thank you for this in depth comment!
I’m definitely in the minority when I say it is better than turnabout goodbyes, but admittedly goodbyes serves as a better ending.
I'm so glad you explained that about this not being from the original game, having just played the trilogy for the first time on the Switch I thought it was really wierd how it had forensics and videos where later games and previous cases didn't. That makes me look at it completely different
It was an acceptable case that definitely overstayed its welcome, had hit-or-miss characters, but it introduced Ema Skye who is best girl in the Apollo Justice era. 11/10
From a narrative perspective? It's great, and a really fun ride seeing Gant's case slowly crumble over the course of the story (even if his theme was a clear red flag). Gameplay-wise, though, it went on for far too long and definitely could've been a 2-parter or something.
Love or hate the case, I think everyone can agree that Damon Gant is the best villain of the trilogy
No I think manfred is better Damon gant is 4th best villain in the trilogy
@@rashmikalia1304 Manfred is terrible. Basically a mustace twirling scooby doo villain. Nothing realistic about him. His plan also involves a lot of plot convenience to watch
Am I the only one that thinks the art of the trilogy doesn't look great when rendered in HD? Imo 3DS is the best way to play it cause the pixelation hides some of the details, but not too much like the GBA/DS. Apollo Justice looks great in HD though
Yeah I kind of wish they refreshed the art again instead of just re-releasing the 2012 version.
@@tbone415 I agree. I think it's the shadows, they just look a little off. The art of characters in this case are noticably better though since it was done later
They really should just release a versión with the original sprites
@@Klonoahedgehog Idk, like I said, I think they look pretty good on 3DS
I agree, 3DS is the best way as it upscales the artwork but with the 3DS resolution in mind, and keeping all the presentation of the DS games.
TBF I never really questioned Phoenix becoming way smarter all of sudden, given that I kinda just thought that was his "thing" you know.
Like one second Phoenix is unraveling a 15 year old case that no one else could crack and the next he's struggling to remember which way his pants go on in the morning.
This case has always dragged on and on for me either watching or playing it. I've never hated or even disliked the investigation segments, I actually enjoyed them in a lot of contexts. Here, it felt sometimes like it was either incredibly, annoyingly clear where to go, or not clear at all what to do.
There were also some plot holes that were explained and covered in the end, but they made it hard to get through the earlier parts thinking that something wasn't thought through.
Imo, though, if you can get through it all, the last part of the final trial is absolutely worth it to get through. It was so fun, it made up for the weeks it took my friend and I to finally get around to finishing it. We were both loudly brainstorming and trying to guess what was going to happen, and I was shouting about evidence law like every other line for a good half hour. This is a case that, if I was going to play it again with another friend, I would follow a guide to skip through anything boring/mostly unimportant so we could just get to the good bits already.
Tldr: I'm not a big fan of it overall, but it is 100% worth playing through for the final trial ladder #2 alone. That and the full finale for the case are incredibly well done, and produced some of my favorite sprites/poses in the entire series.
I was always a big fan of this one. Gant is probably even my favourite villain in the series.
Rise from the Ashes is definitely in my top 3 cases of all time, only beaten by Bridge to the Turnabout and Farewell, My Turnabout. Yes, the investigations and cross-examinations are long, but neither of those things bothered me that much. I think a big reason why it was so good was because of Damon Gant. That man still ranks as one of my favorite villains of all time. Even better than Manfred von Karma (feel free to fight me on this one). His sarcastic, yet intimidating personality all fitted so well with him. The more I play RFTS, the more I like it. I can't speak on behalf of anyone else who feels differently about this case, tho. I can clearly see why this is such a controversial case. Some people love it, some people hate it.
It's good, definitely.
Though I find myself more taken with the obvious end to the trilogy, it has to be stated that this case is a standalone, while 3-4 has had humongous setup over multiple games. That the two are often compared makes me think this fact showcases superior writing in Rise from the Ashes. Most of the reasons people dislike the case is because of the clunky gameplay anyway, and it's really all about writing to me.
i agree that edgeworth leaving the prosecutor's office because of this case is way better than because of turnabout goodbyes, but it sucks that the aa trilogy didn't capitalize on this in any rereleases. like jfa still goes on pretending rfta never happened in the aa trilogy releases.
the case itself was insanely long and it felt like after every day you get more and more evidence you only use one time. holding on to that screwdriver for three days was testament to that. also i think i might just be lucky or something but i first tried the badger-vase thing both on ds and on the hd trilogy, so it wasn't that bad for me. the evidence room video section still sucks though.
however, the case was also very interesting and exhilarating at points though. landing the finishing blows with edgeworth at the end were amazing, and the killer's breakdown was incredible. gant's "damage" sprite is still one of my favorites in the entire series
spoilers for gaac: the parallels between this case and 2-5 were incredible, i'm glad it got a better spiritual successor in this case in terms of pacing and fun (and no bullshit sections like the vase and video)
Its a bit too long winded, Angel Starr is one of the worst people when it came to testifying in the franchise, and the jar puzzle sucked, but besides that it was pretty good, and Gant is definitely one of the most iconic AA villains, which is weird because Redd White supposedly had him wrapped around his finger.
I think Redd White was over exaggerating. He loses his grip on the judge a few minutes into his trial.
I absolutely love this one. It's not quite my absolute favorite but it comes close. Ema's character in this case is easily one of my favorite in the series and I love her character design and personality here. (sadly AJ did not do her justice...) and seeing her trauma and all the pain everyone had to go through only made me more motivated to find the culprit. The whole mystery involving SL-9 and how Edgeworth and Lana were being manipulated by the insanely great and evil villain Damon Gant might be one of the best stories in any case.
The length was definitely a bit much, but I didn't mind it too much. I also liked the lack of spirit channeling stuff. Don't get me wrong, I like the Feys and their story but I much prefer the realistic half of everything.
Overall, absolutely great case. I do think 2-4, 3-5, and I2-5 beat it out but that's it. Easy 10/10 case
If I look at it in a vacuum, RftA is my favorite case in the entire series. I think it's amazing. However, I can agree that it's out of place being pushed as the grand finale of AA1. IIRC, in Japan it was released as a side-story, rather than just a part of the first game, and I think it works better there.
I think it's the best case they have ever made. I was replaying it again along with my wife was playing it for the first time. I have played to this case about three or four times at that point. Despite all of that, it still had me feeling like it was a brand new case
tbh i just watched the blue badger video like 3 times tbh. all the things you have to point out on it its big and obvious. like i knew the white thing was gonna apear at the end even before watching it. and the moment you have to make the jar seem like the blue badger i had SO MUCH LUCK i did it on the first try. like the destiny wanted me to have the best experience cause i actually suck most of the time lol
It absolutely drives me bananas to hear her named said "Emma" when I've always thought it was E-ma. Like the letter E, and "ma" xD
The majority of it felt like it dragged on, yeah, but cross-examining Gant at the very end was brilliant,
Rise from the ashes has lots of Great Characters. Damon Gant has to be one of my favorite villains in Ace Attorney. His theme is both goofy and elegant at first when you meet him however it has this creepy tone to it after you discover all the stuff he has been doing to blackmail Lana. Camera and Jar sections tho are ass, there is no denying it.
Ong he legit seemed like a simple humble dude and I actually loved him. Until later u start uncovering the truth…. He is by far one of the best villains in the ace attorney series
This case is what I call the Lancelot case. As it changes so much, all for the sake of advertising one character, ema skye. it didn’t need to exist, it doesn’t make much sense that it exists, but here we are.
It says a lot when you literally get so bored of a case within the first day in an ace attorney game, that you dont even want to finish it.
The only reason I ever want to finish it is bc the characters. They were so entertaining in a case that would make me wanna play the other 2 games instead bc they aren't this case.
Yeah, the case drags on a bit too long, but at least for me, that made Gant's final breakdown my favorite in the series.
Rise from the Ashes is one of my favorite cases. Chief Gant is one of the best villains in the game. In my opinion.
1:14 gotta love how the music changes to the cross examination theme
To me the bads in this case pale in comparison to the goods. I liked the new forensic tools and the 3D stuff a lot (except that fucking vase). Watching the security camera footage and trying to find clues was so cool, it made me feel like a detective going frame by frame (although I agree on the music being annoying part). Also figuring shit out without a guide was SOOOO satisfying, holy shit, especially the final piece of evidence showing that Ema was innocent.
Also Gant is so intimidating, my god. One of the best villains in the series, period. The twists were fantastic too, thinking that Ema of all people killed a dude, even on accident, was so bitter. And Edgeworth and Phoenix teaming up to bring Gant down was awesome.
9/10 would play again. I just wished there was a "Story Mode" like in the Great Ace Attorney Chronicles to fast forward the slower parts.
I think the only gripe I have with it is the difficulty spike. I'm now starting the second game in the series and wow it is such a comforting breeze after Rise from the Ashes. Seriously, I had only searched for a guide once and that was for that loch monster case thing, and for Rise from the Ashes I had to keep searching what the contradictions were like 6+ times D:. But yeah, the story was really immersive and it was great!
As a new ace attorney fan I’m happy to see that the community is still going strong online. I wish I was apart of it during its hay day and not just familiar with the memes, but better late than never!
(No Apollo justice or miles Edgworth game spoilers please! Still need to finish Apollo and start Edgworth)
When I first played this game way back when I considered it the best case in the first game and I still do even though I do now feel it's just slightly too long. In terms of a tier list I would give Rise From The Ashes a strong A verging on an S but still below other masterpieces like Farewell, My Turnabout and easily the best case in the entire franchise, Bridge to the Turnabout.
The length is my primary issue with it. I do, however, think this is mainly a presentation issue. If it had been split in two parts like the final case in AA5 the length would probably have been fine.
My first exposure to the Ace Attorney franchise was this game on the DS around a decade ago. The cases prior to this one were all great, but the gameplay was getting a bit stale by the end. Then suddenly we get a new case with new gameplay elements including forensics. It surprised me and got me hooked on the rest of the Ace Attorney games. I still look back on it as one of my favourite cases in the franchise. I could imagine it being long and tedious on repeat playthroughs, though. Despite some crazy moments, the first game is by far the most grounded in reality. I love the rest of the trilogy, as well as Apollo Justice and parts of the Investigations games, but the first game will always be the one I look back most fondly upon.
i was THAT new player and it was kind of a bump to not ever use the mic again on my DS, beside that, pretty cool case overall
"i feel it's best to leave a sour taste in my viewers' mouths by the time they leave" LMAO
i liked it, especially since I was on a lot of pain pills when i played it, which made it go by a lot faster. The port I played made it so I only failed at the jar once, and the only thing I really disliked was the fact that Gant, a man smart enough to make that massive plan in the space of a few minutes, didn't realize that the handprint should have a bloodstain on it for over a year. In his defense, he didn't know about the photo, but the fact that his own evidence was his downfall really seemed like a plot hole.
You earned a sub since you have turnabout succesion in the bane of existence tier 👍
I really enjoyed it mainly because I'm too poor to afford the game myself so I watched RTgames play it. Not only was it fun to figure out a puzzles along with someone else, he does a great job with the voices. But besides that the case itself is such an interesting one. The characters have so much depth and personality. It's set up in such a unique way. I want to give this case more praise but I just can't think of the words to express it properly.
I'm a CallMeKevin enjoyer myself.
@@tbone415 i- yeah i guess. Sorry I'm assuming this is a joke but since im a fan of both of them, It's kind of flying over my head.
@@animal_gal_adventures9885 Ah they used to jokingly have beef over being the best Irish youtuber.
@@tbone415 ah got it. Thanks
I feel so mixed about Rise from ashes and a lot of my problems really comes down to this: This case really should been after Trails and tribulations. Both Phoenix and Edgeworth characterizations feels like it was straight out of T&T as you said. And I really didn't like that Edgeworth turned out to not have partaken in forgery, I feel like it kind of undermines his character development of going from a corrupt lawyer to a guy who will strive to find the truth as fair as possible. It would've made more sense that Phoenix stopped taking cases for a bit just rest up and reflect after bridge to turnabout and would also very easily explain Maya and Pearl absence as they'd do the same. And of course, the length and the gimmicks that overstate their welcome is a huge factor in my problems with this case. And there is a lot of other problems I have that will be basically a huge essay. But man I can ignore those problems when it pays off with Phoenix and Miles teaming up to taking down Gant. That's one of the series biggest highlight and line of Edgey saying to Gant "Just sit there and feel the noose tighten around your neck!" is one of the most awesome lines in video games ever.
I used to complain about how long the case was years ago. However, I don't see it as too much of an issue anymore since recent AA games have cases that are almost just as long as RFA, if not longer.
Plus, GAC has made me love RFA even more than I already did. Alot of things in that game reminds me of stuff from this case.
The best parallel I'd say for this case is oddly FNAF Siter Location. Alot of people talk about it being the best game or their favorite because they watched a playthrough of it. Actually playing the game is very annoying and frustrating. Rise from the Ashes is easily top tier story wise, despite the convoluted nature of it, with its gameplay holding its replayability back significantly
I really feel like this case better transitions the first game to JFA. Edgeworth's "choosing death" and change of viewpoint makes a lot more sense under the context of this case, rather than coming Turnabout Goodbyes.
I somewhat enjoyed this case, but it seemed way too long to me, and i also had to use a guide several times. The game expected me to present the same vase over and over, and i was honestly a little frustrated because a case of this length was way too much for my pea brain i guess. But i still liked the story a lot and found Damon brilliant, both because of his somewhat friendly and charismatic tone in court but also because of his plan.
But i personally prefer aa2s last case because again, its not as long as RFTA. Not sure about aa3s yet, as i just recently started case 5, but i am hopeful it will be pretty good.
I really liked this case but I think I would've liked it more if I had just watched a let's play (like I did with the 2nd half of jfa and all of tat) because the difficultly spike is large. also fuck that jar.
I played through this case recently and loved it, I almost cried when Ema hugged Lana after all that they've been through
But it does have some downfalls which you mentioned. Cross-examining Angel a million times. 2000 pieces of evidence. The video, and of course...
THE FUCKING JAR
Kinda late, but I definitely agree with all the points you brought there. Another thing I would like to mention (maybe just a small nitpick of mine) are the testimonies, especially Angel's. God, I fucking hated the part where I needed to cross-examine her, because her testimony was full of holes. I know she was lying, I just couldn't prove it for some reason. Definitely the most frustrating testimony in the original trilogy, if you ask me.
Say what you will about the case itself, but I will never not feel super satisfied whenever Gant gets struck by lightning and goes demon mode.
Oh man I remember playing this case and getting stuck multiple times on parts like lining up the jar with the blue badger and that video tape, still though I find the case enjoyable even if it really long and sometimes frustrating lol