@7:19 This is not supported on Spektrum receivers. At least not the ix12. -RadioMaster Support team stated: "Sorry, I don't recommend you to use the Ranger module on the Spektrum IX12, it needs some wiring, CRSF and GND, and needs to power the module separately, and although it can be connected on the IX12, you can't use the full function of the ExpressLRS (Ranger module Use the open source ExpressLRS firmware), ExpressLRS needs to be paired with the open source EdgeTX remote control to play its role. -Spektrum states that they have no idea if it'll work
Great video! Always producing quality content. I seen you just became aware that multiple receivers could bind at same time. Not sure if your aware that us wing pilots have know about this for a while now and use it to bind two elrs 5 channel receivers and use channel remapping available in web configurator to set them up so we have up to 10 full resolution pwm outputs and or various redundancies or receiver diversity. Tons of new options and things to learn ans explore with elrs. No doubt best New thing in rc control links in a long long time.
I think this mainly applies to the pwm elrs receivers us wing guys use. Most of them have 5 pwm outputs. Channel 5 is mostly useless because it's arming switch.Only high or low. We can remap outputs of the receiver though so that channel 5 output will use channel 6 instead. Channel 5 however still works internally and arms/disarms elrs. So we map output 5 to be controlled by input channel 6. By binding to two receivers at the same time though we can map the second receivers outputs to use channels 7 8 9 10 11 or whatever and effectively have loads of pwm outputs and its still tiny and light weight. We use higher latency full protocols to take advantage of full resolution of alot of channels. As in 150 full or something around that. Anyway. Its just another cool thing that pertains to ability to connect to multiple receivers we wing guys take advantage of.
@@abertheham you know....wings...as in planes and warbirds and that type of thing. We all learn together. I enjoy flying quads also but I'm not one to knock on anyone who only flys quads. For that reason we definitely not bruhs......
And a melding of this would be since you now know multiple receivers can bind at same time and that pwm receives can have there outputs remapped to output whatever channels you'd like then a utility quad or cinema type quad could utilize a second receiver with pwm outputs to control grapling hooks or things used to recover a lost quad or control pan and tilt or all kinds of whatever one could imagine and be piggy backed onto existing receiver. So.....primary receiver connected to flight control using first 6 channels and second pwm receiver also bound and set to output channels 7 thru whatever to control various other functions.
@@LuckyPratama71ELRS modules add ELRS if you bought the 4 in 1 version of the radio. Or if you bought the radio with ELRS, the modules could have a higher output power for longer range (we're talking really long).
I run ELRS in my FPV fixed wings, but they all have RTH etc in case it all goes wrong. I have a Beta Module and EP1 in all my planes. Never ever had any issues.
Great overview of the current ELRS hardware environment at the start of the video JB. Nailed it. 100% agree with your recommendations on these new modules, RM have done a great job on the hardware, as per usual. I love how everyone has come up with their own names for the big module. It’s often referred to as the “full max bling” module in the ELRS dev chat… thic boi made me lol 😂
That's one thing that I have to give TBS credit on: Their customer support is phenomenal, they stand behind their products, and they honor their warranties. I had a CRSF MicroTX module take a shit and TBS sent me a replacement with no questions asked. But my CRSF NanoRX just went out and I'm thinking about giving ELRS a try to see if it lives up to all the hype. But I want quality and reliability above all else. Anf if you think the Ranger series of ELRS TX modules are worth it then I'll be ordering one very soon.
I adopted crossfire as my chosen control link some years ago, and it's been exceptional. To the point that even with all the ELRS buzz, I've felt no need to move over from crossfire. One of the reasons for this is just how janky all the TX hardware looked, but if there's anything that makes me even consider moving to ELRS, these modules are it. I have a Zorro and TX16S, Radiomaster hardware has always worked well for me and I trust it, so now they've made these modules in consultation with the ELRS devs I'm now actually tempted to try it out.
I'll tell ya right now , I could feel the difference immediately when I went to a link with over 250 hertz. Whenever I go back to crossfire now , with some older quads I have. I am i.mediately reminded of this.
@@skyweaver3199 I don't fly quads, only fixed wing, so extremely fast links aren't really required in the same way as they are for quads. But I can imagine the difference 👍👍
@GrimFPV ohhh lol, I got ya. Yeah, the latency doesn't matter as much at all with a wing.The benefit would only really be cost to equipment, and the Lua script functionality, if you have a full function radio. I wouldn't switch if I only flew wings.
@@skyweaver3199 I probably still wont switch, but these are the first modules I've been tempted by. I can use LUA scripts for crossfire too, but I usually just use the TBS agent lite on the radio (probably LUA script based anyway)
Frsky's micro R9m TX module, on ELRS, with heat sink and fan mod (at your own risk) can also output 2W. So the Ranger isn't actually first. However, R9m hardware operates on 900mHz, so maybe it's pioneer in the more popular 2.4gHz frequency spectrum?
Fantastic review as usual, Joshua! Thanks! 😃 My only complaint is that you should've compared the price of the thick boy with the bigger Crossfire module (which was 208 dollars a few days ago). Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Been holding out only because so many options. But now RM has one designed to work with their radios. Looking more at it. But also love the fact Radiometer didn't ignore Fixed wing, or airplanes. as since they offer 2 receivers tin PWN to run servos. Once they can run more than 4-5 channels. might convert a few planes over from My Radiolink I use for planes. Thanks for the info. Thinking the micro for 40 (well with 3 receivers 20 bucks more for 50-60 bucks in receivers) be more than enough to start with.
I blew up a FrSky r9 module by accidentally plugging a 3S battery into it 😂 That system really sucked for me and I gave up on it after that but when ELRS first came out I didn’t still have working r9 hardware to mod and try it out. It probably just blew the voltage reg so maybe I could have fixed it but I was flying crossfire by then and couldn’t be bothered.
Wondering why no youtube creators have done any follow up vids on these? There were a bunch of release videos but no one has done any testing vids. I ordered the micro combo package in November and still haven't received it. I know why, I just wish there was more follow up content to let us know how you guys are liking them.
Your right about that express lrs module by beta fpv. I got the same one a while back and it was impossible to flash. I had to look online and find a video showing how to do it. You can flash it if you take the module apart and hold down a tiny button on the board the whole time it’s flashing. It took me 6 months to figure this out. Almost gave up because first time I held the wrong button 😂
Great review as usual, with the motion controller it only works when there is no quad armed or flying when you put it down, at least that’s what I heard. It would be a nice module to get. Stay safe
Josh, I am pulling my hair out. Have the Ranger Big Boi model, but motion detect setting....is not a setting at all on my unit... i scroll through the menu on the Ranger and it just cycles thru power, handset, wifi, etc, but NO MENTION of motion detect... everything else is linked and working, but my transmitter (TX16xs) power is getting depleted fast. Thinking if the motion detect was on, it would help a alot. and when i flip the radio upside down- the lights and screen on the Big Boi stay on >:(
I pre-ordered this in November.........stated shipping starts in December and it now January and no one has them .........review samples were sent premature
Correct. ELRS requires arm to be channel 5 (aux1) and high = armed, low = disarmed. It does this for things like dynamic power and other underlying mechanisms that benefit from knowing whether you're armed or not.
@@JoshuaBardwell Interesting. What if the user wants the modes tab in Betaflight set to high = disarmed? Can the user reverse the channel to achieve this?
I've weighed the Crossfire Nano receiver @ 0.7g. If you use the $25 model, with the wire antenna, not the Immortal T, that adds a slight bit, but you have to scotch tape it around the ducts of your whoop. I'm in the same spot you are! Is it worth it to save the tiny bit of weight we would by having ELRS? It probably is around Half a Gram. What I especially like is these lightweight AIO whoop boards with ELRS non SPI built in. I'll bet the weight savings is more like 1.5g with those!
@Sco0t Rot0R whoops was what I was referring to. I ended getting a mobula7 5 in 1 w/ frsky protocol(that's the radio I use with my crossfire module). I work from dark till dark so flying my 5in quads is a weekend thing now if weather permits. That mobula7 is my first quality whoop and I'm in love. Surprised how well it does outside in a little breeze on 1s.
I got excited and purchased the thic boy. Almost certainly over kill, but here we are. My brother is rocking a Tango 2 and loves it. But CRSF has been left behind and there is internet in switching to ELRS. Can tango 2 do this? Or would you recommend just switching to something like the Zorro? How does the Zorro stack up to the Tango 2 Thanks JB!
Any chance of a PPM compatibe ELRS Tx module? The low packet rates are fine for long range fixed wing operation, and telemetry can be done via a different channel (e.g. LTE/4G).
Great show .Big J can you yell at them all and tell them to off IPEX plug for the SMA on the RX boards ! Look at the rx plug under a microscope , the circular belt is only fastened by two microscopic prongs ! who wants a jar full of perfect RX's with ripped off plugs !
Please can you do a power test of the micro version as well. I've seen 2 other reviewers reporting lower power. I'd be interested to see if you have the same issue with your module. Thanks
No problem with my betafpv first batch nano tx. I simply have to open up the module every time i flash and press a tiny button throughout the whole flashing process. lol
I new to RC and new to RadioMaster. I have a 16s Mk II with the 4 in 1 on board. I watched your video on the RadioMaster external modules for ELRS. I understand that the Ranger has the highest output at 2W. But you didn't really discuss whether there were any major differences (other than power and some external controls) with the other two modules. From their website, it looks like the Ranger fits with the micro adapter and the Ranger Micro would be a direct fit. The Ranger Nano would fit other transmitters. Is that correct? If you not looking to go to two watts, is there any real disadvantages to using the Ranger Micro?
May I inquire why did you stop when you where talking about the Spectrum and Futaba radios!! I do have a few Futaba MZ14 and want to know if it would be possible to mount the big boy!! Pretty please...
The comments about "low standards" in the FPV quad world are really interesting because it's not something I really think about often. It's an especially interesting comparison to other branches of RC where things are more reliable, but also simpler and more expensive. Just compare the TX16S to something like the DX8 or a Futaba radio: you know you're getting reliable hardware, but they also cost 2-3 times more and you also don't get anywhere near the same development speed, compatible software, or cutting-edge features
Great reviews and information. On getting a new Ranger ELRS I have noticed the fan noise on higher wattage setting even 250mW and above as the fan gets faster which is annoying. Often a trait of small fans. As it was not mentioned in your video review either I have a lower quality fan / manufacturing issue in my unit or its not something important enough to report on i.e is considered acceptable / normal fan background noise. Perhaps this issue is more common in the Ranger module and there is a fan upgrade someone has done to remndy this?
Jeez! my Happymodel TX tops out at 100mw.... 2watts is wild! Think i need to swap out my Happy as ive had rare and random failsafe's at less than 100 meters in the past. Good vid!
You may be suffering from the oscillator issues that have recently been discovered that cause frequency drift which can lead to a lockout. There is now a test that you can do by flashing firmware with a special command to both transmitter and receiver and check. Basically helps identify if the frequency is matching or out of spec. New hardware is already emerging with temperature controlled oscillators to help remedy the issue. There is a page on the expresslrs site called "ExpressLRS 3.0 Crystal Oscillator (XO) Frequency Error" that give the info. I would look into that as it may identify and solve your issue.
JB what is that silver cylinder (and what is the purpose of it) @ 11:27 that is connected between the TX and your power meter? I have the same power meter by IMRC and need to know if I need something like that. Thanks!
It's a 6 dB attenuator. The power meter has max input power 1 watt, so if the unit you're testing goes near or over 1 watt, you need an attenuator to bring the input power down.
Hey I got bought one of these rangers and now lately when im flying suddenly I loose tr/rx completely and my quad failsafe's usually in a really bad crash then on my TX16s radio the screen frozen and I cant look at or change any settings. Is there a warranty on these because my in clearly bad? There's nothing wrong with the radio just this module is the only time it has problems.
Regarding the open-source 'ExpressLRS'.. why isn't the DX9 listed in the 'Hardware Selection' page? What transmitter / receiver combo would you recommend for use on a budget drone, like the Holy Stone HS720E or DJI Mini SE?
DJI Mini has its own controller and does not work with 3rd party systems. I don't know anything about the HolyStone but my guess is the same conclusion applies. DX9 can technically be used with ELRS, but I don't recommend it.
@Joshua You're not comparing apples to apples. The big one is like the big CRSF one, which is priced at 249 USD. That's like less than half of TBS asks for their top of the line hardware.
Great videos JB. I was hoping you could clear something up for me. I have and love my Spektrum ix12 and I want to add the ranger module to my arsenal. I've messaged back and forth with people from horizon hobby, radiomaster, getfpv, pyrodrone, 2 discords, and a few FB groups and everyone single person except one said they've never even heard such a scenario. Literally, never even though of it. Which threw me cause all of my fixed-wing buddies have Spectrum transmitters and are seriously interested in ELRS One guy on a discord said that Crossfire accepts PPM but ELRS doesn't. So though there may be a connector on the back of the ix12 for a crossfire cable (SPMA3090), it still might not work. He then sent me to page 246 of the ix12 manual but it doesn't specify how it's sending signals to crossfire. I think he's convinced that the ix12 sends out PPM signals that get converted in that crossfire cable or in the crossfire module to CSFR. If that's the case, its a no go. Please lmk what you think.
Have you examined Express LRS with the EP 1 and EP 2 receivers for penetration. I plan on using it inside in warehouses, large houses etc so curious about penetration at different mw output from transmitters, receivers and refresh frequencies. Thanks, love your videos. Have watched enough of the to have earned a Masters Degree from Bardwell University. If Joshua doesn't know, no one knows.
Is there a storage solution available for a tx16s with a ranger module? It seems that it's not good to remove the antenna all the time, or the complete module. Without the antenna it will fit the foam case, but that will kill the SMA connector eventually. And removing the module every single time seems harmfull to me too.
The 40$ price range looks good, but at some point in the video you mentioned there are also some good alternatives around 60$ with a led screen? You mentioned AxistFlying Thor, but if I remember correctly those are something like 150$?!
@Joshua Bardwell I have a question : those modules are using rp-sma connector, and if I want, can I disassemble it and chang a picktale or use rp-sma to sma adapter?
Hi I have a question about the Ranger ELRS it does not start anymore When i connect via USB it start blinking yellow after a while it change to blinkingGreen yellow is it bricked?
What elbow are you using on the Ranger to the attenuator? Where did you get it? I am thinking of leaving it on as well to reduce wear on it being I remove the antenna every time I box it up for transport. Maybe even thinking of a straight one, instead of a 90° one.
Is the big boy can work with other radios like car radios like a crossfire can? Can it receive ppm signal through that port for futabas? Or it just something like sbus port? Can someone check it please? I must know that before I buy it. Thank you!
Weird, my betafpv nano module works flawlessly. Is there batch variation? I haven't had a hickup in flashing or using it. What is the issue with that happens with it?
I am just wondering, why Wezley Varty has removed all the ELRS videos from his channel. Further ELRS range challenge table doesn't have his experiments.
Has anyone tested these modules for the oscillator issues that other expressLRS hardware had? Anyone opened one up to see if they had the temperature controlled oscillator that is being recommended? I am guessing since the osc issue is fairly new that these have the cheaper osc and if that premium Ranger is pumping out 1-2 watts thats going to get toasty and could have the osc drift. I am going to hold off until additional research shows up as these may have to go through a redesign.
Awesome video thanks for all the info. I’m new to the hobby and still don’t understand. The controller situation with the ELRS or 4in1. So if I get a radio with ELRS does that mean I don’t need any of the modules for ELRS because they’re already programmed into the radio. Or does that radio will only work with ELRS modules? I’ve been trying to find a video that explains this for complete noobs with no understanding, but can’t find one.
@@JoshuaBardwell thanks for the reply and the help. If I get a controller with built in ELRS. Can you still use an external module that is ELRS? I’m trying to decide if I get the Ranger and for some crazy reason that module stops working I can still use the controller with the built-in as a back up. Or should I get a controller with 4 in 1. Just use the ELRS as the external module. Update: I watched more of your videos I now see on the radiomaster16s. You can enable and disable internal and external module. Does someone make four in one external modules for this radio?
@@JoshuaBardwell RadioMaster's answer: Yes, ExpressLRS disables the Motion detect function in 3.3.2, because there are bugs in the software since version 3.3.0. After the Motion detect function is enabled, the Ranger module will occasionally stop working, which is no problem in version 3.2.1. However, the ExpressLRS developers did not identify this issue in the 3.3.0 code, so it is temporarily disabled to avoid user problems, as stated in the 3.3.2 release notes, until a future release fixes the issue and will enable Motion detect again.
thanks alot for replying the jumper has only one plug only for signal at the bottom while the crossfire has two plugs on the bottom one for signal and one for power , looks like i will have to power up the ranger through external power source i tried jumper tech support but i got nothing @@JoshuaBardwell
@@JoshuaBardwell sorry my bad I tried asking them before (radiomaster) But with no luck Anyway I will keep digging and if I find out something useful I will post the results here Thank you
@JoshuaBardwell please advise. TX16S Mark II Max Radio Controller (Joshua Bardwell Edition / ELRS / M2) has ELRS in-built. Is this in-built ELRS module different from the Ranger module (not the 2W version but 1W versions)?
@JoshuaBardwell Looks like the Tx16S can not go beyond 250mw. The FCC certification documents in downloads mention output as 0.2 something. Am I understanding this correctly?
That is correct. Sorry for the confusion. It's the same as the Ranger in that it's 2.4 GHz ELRS but the internal module won't go to 1W without active cooling. That's why the Boxer goes to 1W and the TX16S doesn't.
@JoshuaBardwell no problem. Thank you for confirming. Just ordered Boxer Crush using your radiomaster affiliate link. The resources on your website are very helpful.
Good video. Unfortunately it seems that on fccio for all of this companies different products the highest output power tested compliant is 170mw ... so ?
Jb I'm going to get either your tx16s or the bunker? Or whatever that new one is called, but I don't want that screen. Anyway, I have the qx7 taranis, I don't have an rf power meter. Do you think my qx7 can do 500 and 1000mw? Thank you
what do you mean? eg.: aio boards with spi elrs? since the newest betaflight they made these boards compatible with 3.x elrs yes, its still running with 2.x elrs so don't expect features that came with 3.x but you can still use the 2.x aio boards with a 3.x flashed controller
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Thanks!
@7:19 This is not supported on Spektrum receivers. At least not the ix12.
-RadioMaster Support team stated: "Sorry, I don't recommend you to use the Ranger module on the Spektrum IX12, it needs some wiring, CRSF and GND, and needs to power the module separately, and although it can be connected on the IX12, you can't use the full function of the ExpressLRS (Ranger module Use the open source ExpressLRS firmware), ExpressLRS needs to be paired with the open source EdgeTX remote control to play its role.
-Spektrum states that they have no idea if it'll work
Great video! Always producing quality content. I seen you just became aware that multiple receivers could bind at same time. Not sure if your aware that us wing pilots have know about this for a while now and use it to bind two elrs 5 channel receivers and use channel remapping available in web configurator to set them up so we have up to 10 full resolution pwm outputs and or various redundancies or receiver diversity. Tons of new options and things to learn ans explore with elrs. No doubt best New thing in rc control links in a long long time.
Sorry what? The web configurator can do channel remapping?
I think this mainly applies to the pwm elrs receivers us wing guys use. Most of them have 5 pwm outputs. Channel 5 is mostly useless because it's arming switch.Only high or low. We can remap outputs of the receiver though so that channel 5 output will use channel 6 instead. Channel 5 however still works internally and arms/disarms elrs. So we map output 5 to be controlled by input channel 6. By binding to two receivers at the same time though we can map the second receivers outputs to use channels 7 8 9 10 11 or whatever and effectively have loads of pwm outputs and its still tiny and light weight. We use higher latency full protocols to take advantage of full resolution of alot of channels. As in 150 full or something around that. Anyway. Its just another cool thing that pertains to ability to connect to multiple receivers we wing guys take advantage of.
Wings?!?! Super sus bruh…
@@abertheham you know....wings...as in planes and warbirds and that type of thing. We all learn together. I enjoy flying quads also but I'm not one to knock on anyone who only flys quads. For that reason we definitely not bruhs......
And a melding of this would be since you now know multiple receivers can bind at same time and that pwm receives can have there outputs remapped to output whatever channels you'd like then a utility quad or cinema type quad could utilize a second receiver with pwm outputs to control grapling hooks or things used to recover a lost quad or control pan and tilt or all kinds of whatever one could imagine and be piggy backed onto existing receiver. So.....primary receiver connected to flight control using first 6 channels and second pwm receiver also bound and set to output channels 7 thru whatever to control various other functions.
I will buy the TX16s 4 in 1 radio and this module.. seems to be the best combination overall.
Hi im new to fpv drone. Just wondering what is the purpose by adding this module to tx16 max mkii?
@@LuckyPratama71ELRS modules add ELRS if you bought the 4 in 1 version of the radio. Or if you bought the radio with ELRS, the modules could have a higher output power for longer range (we're talking really long).
I run ELRS in my FPV fixed wings, but they all have RTH etc in case it all goes wrong. I have a Beta Module and EP1 in all my planes. Never ever had any issues.
Great overview of the current ELRS hardware environment at the start of the video JB. Nailed it. 100% agree with your recommendations on these new modules, RM have done a great job on the hardware, as per usual. I love how everyone has come up with their own names for the big module. It’s often referred to as the “full max bling” module in the ELRS dev chat… thic boi made me lol 😂
2 watts would theoretically go like 700 miles, or is that 900Mhz?
@@RCOverKill about 500km with the moxon antenna 💪
@RC OverKill yea 900mhz would go so far.. 2w 25hz 7dbi antenna over 2000km 🤣
What happened to the 2W video?
@@DP69264 Everything that was non-compliant was pulled.
That's one thing that I have to give TBS credit on: Their customer support is phenomenal, they stand behind their products, and they honor their warranties. I had a CRSF MicroTX module take a shit and TBS sent me a replacement with no questions asked. But my CRSF NanoRX just went out and I'm thinking about giving ELRS a try to see if it lives up to all the hype. But I want quality and reliability above all else. Anf if you think the Ranger series of ELRS TX modules are worth it then I'll be ordering one very soon.
I adopted crossfire as my chosen control link some years ago, and it's been exceptional. To the point that even with all the ELRS buzz, I've felt no need to move over from crossfire. One of the reasons for this is just how janky all the TX hardware looked, but if there's anything that makes me even consider moving to ELRS, these modules are it. I have a Zorro and TX16S, Radiomaster hardware has always worked well for me and I trust it, so now they've made these modules in consultation with the ELRS devs I'm now actually tempted to try it out.
I'll tell ya right now , I could feel the difference immediately when I went to a link with over 250 hertz. Whenever I go back to crossfire now , with some older quads I have. I am i.mediately reminded of this.
@@skyweaver3199 I don't fly quads, only fixed wing, so extremely fast links aren't really required in the same way as they are for quads. But I can imagine the difference 👍👍
@GrimFPV ohhh lol, I got ya. Yeah, the latency doesn't matter as much at all with a wing.The benefit would only really be cost to equipment, and the Lua script functionality, if you have a full function radio. I wouldn't switch if I only flew wings.
@@skyweaver3199 I probably still wont switch, but these are the first modules I've been tempted by. I can use LUA scripts for crossfire too, but I usually just use the TBS agent lite on the radio (probably LUA script based anyway)
Frsky's micro R9m TX module, on ELRS, with heat sink and fan mod (at your own risk) can also output 2W. So the Ranger isn't actually first. However, R9m hardware operates on 900mHz, so maybe it's pioneer in the more popular 2.4gHz frequency spectrum?
Exactly. That's why the title carefully says, "most powerful 2.4 GHz ExpressLRS module".
That input voltage song is ❤🔥
came here after the live stream, thanks again man, much appreciated
Fantastic review as usual, Joshua! Thanks! 😃
My only complaint is that you should've compared the price of the thick boy with the bigger Crossfire module (which was 208 dollars a few days ago).
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Been holding out only because so many options. But now RM has one designed to work with their radios. Looking more at it. But also love the fact Radiometer didn't ignore Fixed wing, or airplanes. as since they offer 2 receivers tin PWN to run servos. Once they can run more than 4-5 channels. might convert a few planes over from My Radiolink I use for planes. Thanks for the info. Thinking the micro for 40 (well with 3 receivers 20 bucks more for 50-60 bucks in receivers) be more than enough to start with.
Very cool Tx from Radiomaster. Still I'm happy with my Happymodel 1W
"what's rated the input voltage, lets not blow it up" best song 2022
I blew up a FrSky r9 module by accidentally plugging a 3S battery into it 😂 That system really sucked for me and I gave up on it after that but when ELRS first came out I didn’t still have working r9 hardware to mod and try it out. It probably just blew the voltage reg so maybe I could have fixed it but I was flying crossfire by then and couldn’t be bothered.
@@MUNKYFPV me too lol, got a betafpv modded one and plugged a 3s in. Just never stayed on after that lol.
Back to my old unmoddded r9….
@@LuckyMoniker yep same with mine, it will power on for a second from internal power but shut down 😛
😅😂😂
Aallmooost plugged it in lol, you know u did Josh, love your vids
Thanks for the video man love them all
Wondering why no youtube creators have done any follow up vids on these? There were a bunch of release videos but no one has done any testing vids. I ordered the micro combo package in November and still haven't received it. I know why, I just wish there was more follow up content to let us know how you guys are liking them.
@11:45 If you're like me and you thought "ELRS requires ARM on AUX5?!", He means on CHANNEL 5, which is AUX1.
Glad to see a in depth review on this
Thanks!
Your right about that express lrs module by beta fpv. I got the same one a while back and it was impossible to flash. I had to look online and find a video showing how to do it. You can flash it if you take the module apart and hold down a tiny button on the board the whole time it’s flashing. It took me 6 months to figure this out. Almost gave up because first time I held the wrong button 😂
I keep trying to get to the 2W video and can’t find it, it just keeps saying that it’s private.
What happened to the 2w hack's video link ?? The one in the description no longer works
I have always wondered which end of the antenna the "beam" came out of! Boom - answered.
It depends on the design of the antenna.
Great review as usual, with the motion controller it only works when there is no quad armed or flying when you put it down, at least that’s what I heard.
It would be a nice module to get. Stay safe
On 11:45: You meant AUX1, right? (Channel 5 in your case?)
Yes aux 1 that's correct.
Can you do a short video of how to do the 2w hack as his videos are gone.
How again do we get to that 2 watts??
Josh, I am pulling my hair out. Have the Ranger Big Boi model, but motion detect setting....is not a setting at all on my unit... i scroll through the menu on the Ranger and it just cycles thru power, handset, wifi, etc, but NO MENTION of motion detect... everything else is linked and working, but my transmitter (TX16xs) power is getting depleted fast. Thinking if the motion detect was on, it would help a alot. and when i flip the radio upside down- the lights and screen on the Big Boi stay on >:(
I pre-ordered this in November.........stated shipping starts in December and it now January and no one has them .........review samples were sent premature
I'm still digging Crossfire. I've got got some elrs stuff but it's too much drama to keep it up. I'd rather spend that time flying.
Drama I put ELRS in my R9 like 2 years ago am flashed my xm+ with lrs an my shit gos out 2 miles it will put run the TBS unify pro 32
Bought a cinewhoop, plugged it into my phone and flashed my password onto it with the speedy bee app. Then I flew it.
@@rickybobbyflyingwild8119 this must be a troll because you can't flash xm+ with elrs 😅
Your arm switch MUST be on Aux 5 and MUST be in a certain position in order to use ELRS??? (referencing 11:45 in your video)
Correct. ELRS requires arm to be channel 5 (aux1) and high = armed, low = disarmed. It does this for things like dynamic power and other underlying mechanisms that benefit from knowing whether you're armed or not.
@@JoshuaBardwell Interesting. What if the user wants the modes tab in Betaflight set to high = disarmed? Can the user reverse the channel to achieve this?
I'm still on crossfire and whoop options seems like the only benefit I'd get right now.
Is the range and obstacles increases that much better?
I've weighed the Crossfire Nano receiver @ 0.7g. If you use the $25 model, with the wire antenna, not the Immortal T, that adds a slight bit, but you have to scotch tape it around the ducts of your whoop. I'm in the same spot you are! Is it worth it to save the tiny bit of weight we would by having ELRS? It probably is around Half a Gram.
What I especially like is these lightweight AIO whoop boards with ELRS non SPI built in. I'll bet the weight savings is more like 1.5g with those!
@Sco0t Rot0R whoops was what I was referring to. I ended getting a mobula7 5 in 1 w/ frsky protocol(that's the radio I use with my crossfire module). I work from dark till dark so flying my 5in quads is a weekend thing now if weather permits. That mobula7 is my first quality whoop and I'm in love. Surprised how well it does outside in a little breeze on 1s.
I got excited and purchased the thic boy. Almost certainly over kill, but here we are.
My brother is rocking a Tango 2 and loves it. But CRSF has been left behind and there is internet in switching to ELRS. Can tango 2 do this? Or would you recommend just switching to something like the Zorro? How does the Zorro stack up to the Tango 2
Thanks JB!
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Great info!
Love your channel✌😁👍
To use 2W, maybe even 1W, don't you have to have a FCC HAM license?
100 mW is the maximum output power for an unlicensed transmitter.
If your a slave sure
Any chance of a PPM compatibe ELRS Tx module? The low packet rates are fine for long range fixed wing operation, and telemetry can be done via a different channel (e.g. LTE/4G).
Great show .Big J can you yell at them all and tell them to off IPEX plug for the SMA on the RX boards ! Look at the rx plug under a microscope , the circular belt is only fastened by two microscopic prongs ! who wants a jar full of perfect RX's with ripped off plugs !
Hello does thiswork on radiomaster pocket ?
Holds up a DX6E - the exact thing I'm trying to a upgrade from
Please can you do a power test of the micro version as well. I've seen 2 other reviewers reporting lower power. I'd be interested to see if you have the same issue with your module. Thanks
Yes I did test it in this video. It was fine.
@@JoshuaBardwell sorry I must have missed it. I only spotted you testing the nano and full size one.👍
Great vid bro! ELRS all the way!!!
No problem with my betafpv first batch nano tx. I simply have to open up the module every time i flash and press a tiny button throughout the whole flashing process. lol
I new to RC and new to RadioMaster. I have a 16s Mk II with the 4 in 1 on board. I watched your video on the RadioMaster external modules for ELRS. I understand that the Ranger has the highest output at 2W. But you didn't really discuss whether there were any major differences (other than power and some external controls) with the other two modules. From their website, it looks like the Ranger fits with the micro adapter and the Ranger Micro would be a direct fit. The Ranger Nano would fit other transmitters. Is that correct? If you not looking to go to two watts, is there any real disadvantages to using the Ranger Micro?
Is it usefull by adding ranger module to tx16s max mkii? Im new to fpv drone, really want to know it. Does it provide longer range?
Is it usefull by adding ranger module to tx16s max mkii? Im new to fpv drone, really want to know it. Does it provide longer range?
Is it usefull by adding ranger module to tx16s max mkii? Im new to fpv drone, really want to know it. Does it provide longer range?
Is it usefull by adding ranger module to tx16s max mkii? Im new to fpv drone, really want to know it. Does it provide longer range?
May I inquire why did you stop when you where talking about the Spectrum and Futaba radios!! I do have a few Futaba MZ14 and want to know if it would be possible to mount the big boy!! Pretty please...
The comments about "low standards" in the FPV quad world are really interesting because it's not something I really think about often. It's an especially interesting comparison to other branches of RC where things are more reliable, but also simpler and more expensive.
Just compare the TX16S to something like the DX8 or a Futaba radio: you know you're getting reliable hardware, but they also cost 2-3 times more and you also don't get anywhere near the same development speed, compatible software, or cutting-edge features
Great reviews and information. On getting a new Ranger ELRS I have noticed the fan noise on higher wattage setting even 250mW and above as the fan gets faster which is annoying. Often a trait of small fans. As it was not mentioned in your video review either I have a lower quality fan / manufacturing issue in my unit or its not something important enough to report on i.e is considered acceptable / normal fan background noise. Perhaps this issue is more common in the Ranger module and there is a fan upgrade someone has done to remndy this?
Jeez! my Happymodel TX tops out at 100mw.... 2watts is wild! Think i need to swap out my Happy as ive had rare and random failsafe's at less than 100 meters in the past. Good vid!
You may be suffering from the oscillator issues that have recently been discovered that cause frequency drift which can lead to a lockout. There is now a test that you can do by flashing firmware with a special command to both transmitter and receiver and check. Basically helps identify if the frequency is matching or out of spec. New hardware is already emerging with temperature controlled oscillators to help remedy the issue. There is a page on the expresslrs site called "ExpressLRS 3.0 Crystal Oscillator (XO) Frequency Error" that give the info. I would look into that as it may identify and solve your issue.
JB what is that silver cylinder (and what is the purpose of it) @ 11:27 that is connected between the TX and your power meter? I have the same power meter by IMRC and need to know if I need something like that. Thanks!
It's a 6 dB attenuator. The power meter has max input power 1 watt, so if the unit you're testing goes near or over 1 watt, you need an attenuator to bring the input power down.
I'm thinking of getting the micro for the mambo and Tango2 for some whoops. Even though it seemed to be beaten by the nano
if you power it externally you can drive them all up to 2W.
Amazing you were able to get one, Radiomaster seems to be ghosting me, where meh sheaaatttt beeeaattchhhh!
7:40 Futaba 14 SG does not have bays for external modules @joshuabardwell
Yes that is correct. That is why you need the biggest form-factor. It mounts to the back and uses wires to connect to the radio.
@@JoshuaBardwellthats why now i use Radiomaster for drones. Best regards Master!
Hey I got bought one of these rangers and now lately when im flying suddenly I loose tr/rx completely and my quad failsafe's usually in a really bad crash then on my TX16s radio the screen frozen and I cant look at or change any settings. Is there a warranty on these because my in clearly bad? There's nothing wrong with the radio just this module is the only time it has problems.
Just asking but I have a 4watt 2.4ghz booster will this work as well on the Zoro radios for distance?
Regarding the open-source 'ExpressLRS'.. why isn't the DX9 listed in the 'Hardware Selection' page? What transmitter / receiver combo would you recommend for use on a budget drone, like the Holy Stone HS720E or DJI Mini SE?
DJI Mini has its own controller and does not work with 3rd party systems. I don't know anything about the HolyStone but my guess is the same conclusion applies.
DX9 can technically be used with ELRS, but I don't recommend it.
@Joshua You're not comparing apples to apples. The big one is like the big CRSF one, which is priced at 249 USD. That's like less than half of TBS asks for their top of the line hardware.
Great videos JB.
I was hoping you could clear something up for me. I have and love my Spektrum ix12 and I want to add the ranger module to my arsenal. I've messaged back and forth with people from horizon hobby, radiomaster, getfpv, pyrodrone, 2 discords, and a few FB groups and everyone single person except one said they've never even heard such a scenario. Literally, never even though of it.
Which threw me cause all of my fixed-wing buddies have Spectrum transmitters and are seriously interested in ELRS
One guy on a discord said that Crossfire accepts PPM but ELRS doesn't. So though there may be a connector on the back of the ix12 for a crossfire cable (SPMA3090), it still might not work.
He then sent me to page 246 of the ix12 manual but it doesn't specify how it's sending signals to crossfire. I think he's convinced that the ix12 sends out PPM signals that get converted in that crossfire cable or in the crossfire module to CSFR.
If that's the case, its a no go. Please lmk what you think.
Have you examined Express LRS with the EP 1 and EP 2 receivers for penetration. I plan on using it inside in warehouses, large houses etc so curious about penetration at different mw output from transmitters, receivers and refresh frequencies. Thanks, love your videos. Have watched enough of the to have earned a Masters Degree from Bardwell University.
If Joshua doesn't know, no one knows.
Is there a storage solution available for a tx16s with a ranger module?
It seems that it's not good to remove the antenna all the time, or the complete module.
Without the antenna it will fit the foam case, but that will kill the SMA connector eventually. And removing the module every single time seems harmfull to me too.
That motion thing is odd since you can already set variable power mode.
9:05 😂 I bleeping love you man
The 40$ price range looks good, but at some point in the video you mentioned there are also some good alternatives around 60$ with a led screen?
You mentioned AxistFlying Thor, but if I remember correctly those are something like 150$?!
89 sometimes on sale- I own it and it’s a beast.
NamimnoRC Flash (2.4GHz) or the Voyager (900MHz) - those have OLED screens too..
The Betafpv Micros both have screens as well.
@Joshua Bardwell I have a question : those modules are using rp-sma connector, and if I want, can I disassemble it and chang a picktale or use rp-sma to sma adapter?
I have bought the nano and i have a radiomaster boxer controller . Are there any available adapters?
Hi I have a question about the Ranger ELRS it does not start anymore When i connect via USB it start blinking yellow after a while it change to blinkingGreen yellow is it bricked?
What elbow are you using on the Ranger to the attenuator? Where did you get it? I am thinking of leaving it on as well to reduce wear on it being I remove the antenna every time I box it up for transport.
Maybe even thinking of a straight one, instead of a 90° one.
Is the big boy can work with other radios like car radios like a crossfire can? Can it receive ppm signal through that port for futabas? Or it just something like sbus port? Can someone check it please? I must know that before I buy it. Thank you!
but you didn't say if external lipo is protected against discharge below safe level
Weird, my betafpv nano module works flawlessly. Is there batch variation? I haven't had a hickup in flashing or using it. What is the issue with that happens with it?
I am just wondering, why Wezley Varty has removed all the ELRS videos from his channel. Further ELRS range challenge table doesn't have his experiments.
Because he got fined $3k by CASA for his flights violating local rules.
@@JoshuaBardwell thanks for the info, but so sad for him 😢...
good video ,,,, the switches on the new radiomaster boxer are they short or long ,,,,, im ordering switch covers and need to know what size
Radiomaster recommend do not use the XT30 input on your Ranger Nano or Ranger Micro.
How to unbrick Radiomaster Micro Elrs module after update not working?
Has anyone tested these modules for the oscillator issues that other expressLRS hardware had? Anyone opened one up to see if they had the temperature controlled oscillator that is being recommended? I am guessing since the osc issue is fairly new that these have the cheaper osc and if that premium Ranger is pumping out 1-2 watts thats going to get toasty and could have the osc drift. I am going to hold off until additional research shows up as these may have to go through a redesign.
What’s a good elrs module at the moment that you recommend ?
Awesome video thanks for all the info. I’m new to the hobby and still don’t understand. The controller situation with the ELRS or 4in1. So if I get a radio with ELRS does that mean I don’t need any of the modules for ELRS because they’re already programmed into the radio. Or does that radio will only work with ELRS modules? I’ve been trying to find a video that explains this for complete noobs with no understanding, but can’t find one.
If you buy a radio with built in ELRS, then you do not need an ELRS module. You can bind to ELRS receivers using the built-in module in the radio.
@@JoshuaBardwell thanks for the reply and the help. If I get a controller with built in ELRS. Can you still use an external module that is ELRS? I’m trying to decide if I get the Ranger and for some crazy reason that module stops working I can still use the controller with the built-in as a back up. Or should I get a controller with 4 in 1. Just use the ELRS as the external module. Update: I watched more of your videos I now see on the radiomaster16s. You can enable and disable internal and external module. Does someone make four in one external modules for this radio?
I just bought a RadioMaster Zorro and I want to buy an ELRS module for it. Can you advise me on which is the best ELRS module for this Radio? Thanks
really good video!! really good!!
Please show us the Bluetooth gamepad feature 😢
Thanks for the great video. Can the big module used with the Radiomaster TX16S first edition?
Is the amps enhough for the maximum 2 watt?
I'll take my preorder any day.
you still waiting?
Please radiomaster make a pistol grip style elrs controller for rc trucks boats Please 🙏
Will the Nano version fit in a FrSky x9-Lite ? With the slightly recessed Nano bay
I hope this question gets answered since I am currently using the Nano module he keeps on using as a bad example (in my Taranis x-lite radio) ;-)
@@UnlimitedVertical and will it fit Frsky Tandem X20, which claims to accept nano modules and does take the betafpv nano module?
@@3dflyer347 I guess we'll find out eventually. In the meantime the betafpv nano module is working fine for me.
Is the nano module compatible with the Boxer transmitter?
So I need a separate power supply for it on my tx16s?
Hello! I have a quastion: why does my ranger module purchased on 12/23/2023 not have an "accelerometer / Motion Detect" section in the settings?
You have to ask radiomaster about that.
@@JoshuaBardwell RadioMaster's answer:
Yes, ExpressLRS disables the Motion detect function in 3.3.2, because there are bugs in the software since version 3.3.0. After the Motion detect function is enabled, the Ranger module will occasionally stop working, which is no problem in version 3.2.1. However, the ExpressLRS developers did not identify this issue in the 3.3.0 code, so it is temporarily disabled to avoid user problems, as stated in the 3.3.2 release notes, until a future release fixes the issue and will enable Motion detect again.
are you saying the micro is not pure 1 watt power tx?
DX9 on top… this is compelling actually
(mad's tech also released a teardown video just yesterday on these so no need to scratch your pretty new TX's)
Are any of these modules compatible with the FrSky Taranis X9D Plus?
can you show me how to plug the ranger to a spektrum ix14 ? i cant seem to find any video or documentation for that , thank you .
I don't know if there are specific instructions for the Ranger, but if you look up the Crossfire module instructions, it's got to be the same.
thanks alot for replying the jumper has only one plug only for signal at the bottom while the crossfire has two plugs on the bottom one for signal and one for power , looks like i will have to power up the ranger through external power source i tried jumper tech support but i got nothing @@JoshuaBardwell
The ranger is made by radiomaster not jumper if that helps any.
@@JoshuaBardwell sorry my bad
I tried asking them before (radiomaster)
But with no luck
Anyway I will keep digging and if I find out something useful I will post the results here
Thank you
@JoshuaBardwell please advise. TX16S Mark II Max Radio Controller (Joshua Bardwell Edition / ELRS / M2) has ELRS in-built. Is this in-built ELRS module different from the Ranger module (not the 2W version but 1W versions)?
This is the same as the Ranger yes. 2.4 GHz elrs.
@JoshuaBardwell Looks like the Tx16S can not go beyond 250mw. The FCC certification documents in downloads mention output as 0.2 something. Am I understanding this correctly?
That is correct. Sorry for the confusion. It's the same as the Ranger in that it's 2.4 GHz ELRS but the internal module won't go to 1W without active cooling. That's why the Boxer goes to 1W and the TX16S doesn't.
@JoshuaBardwell no problem. Thank you for confirming. Just ordered Boxer Crush using your radiomaster affiliate link. The resources on your website are very helpful.
Good video. Unfortunately it seems that on fccio for all of this companies different products the highest output power tested compliant is 170mw ... so ?
I'm frankly amazed they submitted to the FCC at all.
You aren't going to find someone selling a part 15 certified 1 watt transmitter if that's what you are after.
So j can use this with my X lite Pro?!
@joshua bardwell, What's wrong with Betafpv nano rf module in your video?
It was missing capacitors that meant you couldn't firmware update via USB unless you opened the module and manually put it into bootloader mode.
i got telemetry loss around 500 meters with ranger tx and rp1 receiver
As usual, your review is the best! Does anyone knows if i can use those module on rc cars radios?
Ima try n watch this whole video but I'm really just tryna figure out if a module will give me better range than built in elrs on tx16s mk2
Yes the module can go to 1W while the built in ELRS only goes to 250 mW.
Jb I'm going to get either your tx16s or the bunker? Or whatever that new one is called, but I don't want that screen.
Anyway, I have the qx7 taranis, I don't have an rf power meter. Do you think my qx7 can do 500 and 1000mw?
Thank you
I don't know for sure. You might want to use an XT30.
So the Radiomaster Elrs boxer comes with same 1 w module built in ?
Do you have solder a elrs receiver in order to use a elrs module
Is there a solution to make these work with the older ELRS so that they can be used with SPI RX?
It seems I can a cheap paperweight at this point.
what do you mean? eg.: aio boards with spi elrs?
since the newest betaflight they made these boards compatible with 3.x elrs yes, its still running with 2.x elrs so don't expect features that came with 3.x but you can still use the 2.x aio boards with a 3.x flashed controller
When are they going to start shipping I ordered my thick boy a week ago 😂