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They were loved because Japanese manufacturers were winning races left-and-right at the time. McLaren Honda in F1, Mitsubishi in Dakkar, Subaru in WRC, Mazda in LeMans, Nissan in GT, Toyota in Indy, Suzuki in PikesPeak, etc. They were crazy dominating.
The way to go is Retro-Design! Currently Restomod's are popping out everywhere! Alpine did the A110, a retromodern Design of the old 70's one! And it worked well! Also the US cars like Mustang and Camaro are Retrodesigns from the older generations! Soo... The way to go for Nissan is something like a Retro R34 Design! That's the ultimate Skyline! R35 is iconic too but was always a bit too big in dimensions! It allways looked huge and massive while the Skyline's looked more filigrane and more like traditional coupe's... And what about a H2 engine for the R36? Or e-fuel combustion engine?
The way to go is Retro-Design! Currently Restomod's are popping out everywhere! Alpine did the A110, a retromodern Design of the old 70's one! And it worked well! Also the US cars like Mustang and Camaro are Retrodesigns from the older generations! Soo... The way to go for Nissan is something like a Retro R34 Design! That's the ultimate Skyline! R35 is iconic too but was always a bit too big in dimensions! It allways looked huge and massive while the Skyline's looked more filigrane and more like traditional coupe's... And what about a H2 engine for the R36? Or e-fuel combustion engine?
@@davidsentanu7836 I disagree, you make it sound like that's the only reason but a lot of cars, especially the European ones have a successful racing history, but that doesn't automatically make them appealing to people, especially on a global scale, what you said has nothing to do with the car itself just it's status, which popularity wise nowadays doesn't equal to pop culture status like movies, games, social media, but it obviously depends on the car
The Electric Fiat 500, a CITY CAR, the perfect type of car to be electric, has failed so spectacularly that production has stopped and Fiat is scrambling to create an ICE version of it as fast as possible. My point is: If even City Car EVs are failing so hard, imagine the financial disasters that Electric Sports Cars are going to be. EV fans don't want a sports car and sports car fans don't want an EV. Those are two completely opposite categories. Making a sport EV is like making a Luxury Panel Van.
I think about this a lot. Don't get me wrong, I don't necessarily hate EV's and I do think they have their place, the biggest issue though is this rapid push towards a technology that isn't currently capable of fulfilling the demanding needs the average consumer requires, not to mention their expensive nature. As it stands, if many other companies who were initially pushing towards EV power are suddenly turning on their heels back to ICU, I think that alone is proof that EV cars currently aren't a sustainable solution for consumers and car manufacturers, at least not currently. It's hard to say what the future will bring and while I've no doubt that EV power will gradually improve over time, I do think we are a while off from the technology reaching it's peak and thus (metaphorically) taking EV's out of the oven when they haven't finished baking yet leads to them ultimately failing a good portion of consumers.
I still love the design of the GTR, a coworker bought an old one, and I can tell you this car turns heads way more than a 911. An Electric GTR would be like $300k+ and sell poorly since the second hand value will be $100k after 3 years
They could print money if they went retro futuristic with the design. A modernized C110 style body, or one based on the R32 sould do wonders. The current concept just looks like a lego brick with a massive chin.
Absolutely! We need a Retro-modern R34 Design! R35 was allready too big and too radical for my taste... That was when they only called it GT-R... Remember, the GT-R's before were Skyline's! (Basically allmost what the BMW 3 Series is in Europe) They should go back to basics! No huge Supercar, just a modern R34!😎👍
Actually crazy to me how Hyundai of all car manufactures nailed this with the N Vision 74. Yes it's still a concept car currently (albeit confirmed for production by 2026), but I think the car captures what people are looking for in retro-futuristic designs flawlessly, amazes me how other manufacturers still aren't taking notes from them.
@@clockwork3494 The 74 will be a very expensive low production car unfortunately so the odds of seeing one in the wild are so slim that it might as well remain a concept. I was really hoping they'd take that design language, and build a car to compete with the GR86 or even the Nissan Z and Toyota supra at least in pricing segments. That said the N Vision 74 is a beautiful design. Idk what's going on with Nissan's design board with the GTR, but this current concept never gets any further in hope.
Dear Bembli, with EV this car will absolutely fail! A huge part of the GT-R world is aftermarket tuning! They all had huge tuning potential! But without a proper engine there will be no tuning, no mufflers, no backfire, no sound! All the things GT-R fans love... Why not go with a new developed H2 engine like Toyota does...?
@@gerogyzurkov2259 the r35 doesn't sell good anymore bc theres already alot of them out there, and if it goes ev it will fail, simply bc ppl buy sports/supercars for the sounds and looks ofc, witch this "r36" already failed at.
@@beamer8907 No, it doesn't sell well because it's an aging platform selling at the price point of over 100k when a Corvette or other high performance car in the price range absolutely crushes it.
@@MuShinnenyou've successfully repeated what he said. It's an aging platform cos it's an aging car. The market is saturated with it. No one is paying 120k for a car they can find on the used market for half the price
There is no way on earth that this hyperforce/"bosuzoku" R36 would look like that as a replacement for R35. It's too pointy, it would be unsafe for pedestrians
I feel that there isa lot of misunderstanding among auto comunity outside Japan about this concept. This is Bosozoku styled concept, inspired by GT-R lines, but not a GT-R Successor
My takeaway from this concept car is that it is a very early glimpse into what the new Nissan GT-R COULD look like. In other words, it is hopefully not what the R36 will look like in its final form since it's immediately clear that the Hyper Force concept does not look good nor does it look like a finalized design. You would also think that the next step would be to hybridize the GT-R and not immediately make it a full BEV considering the popularity of EVs has taken a step back given the slight decrease in demand. Not to mention, even electric hypercars that cost over a million dollars aren't selling all that well either. So if cars like the Rimac Nevera were hard to sell, then an all-electric GT-R would also be a hard sell.
If they want to make their next supercar electric, they need to make it an entirely different car, instead of making it the next gen GTR. It would be such a disrespect to the Nissan GTR legacy to make a next gen GTR fully electric. And financially, it would just be an absolutely disaster in today’s car market. Personally, I think they should at least make it a hybrid - which will impact tun-ability, but their are work-arounds, so tuning a GTR with a hybrid platform wouldn’t be impossible
I wouldn‘t go so far as to say that it‘s horrendous, but I‘ve never been too fond of the design as well. I just hope that the next one will be a truly worthy successor to the GTR brand
Nissan dragged out the R35, it started as godzila and is now a dinosaur. I remember when it was ahead of everyone, now it's the slow car compared to most others sports cars.
the biggest issue with Nissan is the cheap transmissions they put in 90 percent of their cars. Enthusiasts and internet warriors love halo cars but if they cant get the entry and mid level cars profitable it wont matter how good or bad the new gtr is. The company does not sell enough of those to stay in business.
@@G82Watts i mean having a plaid track pack is pretty nice practical and can beat pretty much most things on the road while bring the kids to school sounds like a bargain to me 😂
@@mcsike7264 u don't get the lively engagement though. Its fun but gets boring after awhile. Having a gt3rs or something that would never happen. More communicative, better driving dynamics , etc etc
That concept is hideous. It reminds me of a steel dustpan or snow shovel. I’m actually one of the few who really likes the limited edition GT-R50 by Italdesign. That should have been the successor, though $1m for a Nissan GT-R is absolutely insane and has turned off a lot of buyers as you can get into much more compelling and established super cars from Ferrari, Aston Martin, McLaren, etc. for that price.
No, the GT-R 50 was also ugly... The way to go is Retrodesign!!! We need a retro-modern new R32/R34! Same size, allmost same weight but more power! And a modern engine, not EV! Maybe a hybrid or H2 engine?🤔
bro that chin is awful, it looks like they merged a cyber truck with a Honda civic and then gave it underbite worthy of a Hapsburg. I don't trust anyone to actually manage to make an EV worthy of the GTR badge. they're just too heavy as it is. it also doesn't help that EV's rarely manage to bring any emotion forward other than ambivalence. since other than the skin, its the same damn drive train at its core. there's no sound or torque curve or any performance metric other than watts. the R35 was cool because its styling was super unique, it was powerful with an engine unlike anything in its competitors, paired with an incredible transmission and AWD system. and all that made it a successor to the R34 GTR. all that would be different between that concept and a cybertruck is the looks and ride height. it just wouldn't be special.
Personally I never like the styling of the r35. The rear end is too high, the roof slopes too much and the headlights just don’t do it for me. All models before it looks like an evolution of one another but the r35 doesn’t bear any real resemblance to them. I think a modern futuristic looking r34 would be perfect for the new gtr.
@@noiisserpmii the huayra didn't overstay it's welcome anymore than the zonda before it. It's a Hypercar, they just don't make new generations every few years. The Chiron was out for over a decade before the turbillion was announced. The jesko is looking likely to be the same thing. They also don't lose value in the second market like the GTR or challenger. Don't lump it in with them
As a kid who drew cars and always looked at the concept drawings at the car shows, I can appreciate this leap by the designers. This is a 2040 design, not 2024. Other than the nose being to locomotive, I would drive this GTR. For the other 99% this GTR looks insane, I get it, LoL!! It's so bizarre and I was laughing last night when I came across your video... After thinking what would a car look like if the designers threw 80% of the past away and created a car with a legendary badge that barely resembles a car as we know it today. I was looking at some of the car design groups on FB during dinner and was thinking about this non-looking-car on a long drive home. Love your channel!
really interesting video! i hope the production version dosent look like that, since its very unappealing to everyone, but its still quite unique, maybe you could redesign it?
I wouldn't buy neither. The R35 is an overpriced ancient vehicle that pales in comparison with any of their competitors and the Hyper Force is HIDEOUS. I would prefer a new Silvia instead.
"Daring to do, what others don't" by going all EV for R36? That's just lies and wokeness. Every single manufacturer is trying do make EVs these days, you don't need to be brave for that. It's the opposite, of what would be considered brave. If they were brave they would make a non EV, R36 with a new design, updated engine, drivertrain, suspension and some other technology
IF the super-heavy M5 is an indicator for how much weight AWD Hybird/Electric Supercars are going then I am deeply concerned. I bought the R35 when it first came out and even then it was a HEAVY car, I worry that more weight and electric drive would make it just another Tesla clone without any personality of it's own.....
i think a q60 or g37 body with a 2010s maxima front end with some adjustments to modernize might look like a skyline (not a gtr, but potentially a starting point for one)
I’m tired of all these regulations BS. If they care about environment so bad they should start by banning companies like Coke from producing more plastics. 😒
In situations like these, car makers go back down to the simple question: What Is It? What was it made for? What is it's primary purpose? Imo, it is supposed to be a car that was made primarily for racing, and all the tech in the car is exactly for that - to make it good and fast around a racetrack.
Likely to be a hybrid since hybrids have a perfect blend of EV's acceleration and ICE's top speed Cadillac's lmdh prototype is the perfect example of that.
This is clearly a concept car. I'm not concerned Nissan will be producing it as a replacement for the current GTR. The front is like something out of a bad horror movie. I do not understand the design or why it was permitted even for a concept. It makes no sense. The rest of the body isn't as bad but still on the extreme end. _Origami_ is the perfect word to describe this design exercise. I think that's all that needs to be said about the appearance. As for the platform, I am against EVs until an alternative for lithium is found and the grid reinforced to meet the power demand. Until then, a hybrid system sounds good to me, unfortunately Nissan doesn't agree.
yea, these new hybrid (super) cars that come out nowadays where pretty small e-motors spool the turbos in low rpm to boost the power output by soo much, are quite nice most the time and they are a "+" for cars like those but when it goes in the direction of the new m5 touring which now ways upwards 2,5tons because all the E stuff, it's getting out of Hand.
@@kettehro Yes, I totally agree. The German marques and their recent implementation of hybrid tech is exactly what I don't want. Too heavy for a performance car. Hybrid tech is good as long as any battery that comes with it is minimal and won't impact vehicle weight too much. For increased performance and a nominal extension in range it's OK.
Hyperforce looks terrible, but I suspect its more of an experiment into how far they could push things rather than an serious concept for the furuture of the GTR badge. Early ideation, not a finished product. Personally, I hope they take some cues from it but shift stylisation into the sort of retro-modern thing a handful of manufacturers have been doing recently (Even Nissan themselves a little, with the Z34). It's probably the coolest style to ever hit the car market at large. Electric is definitely the way to go with the GTR, tho. Its calling card has always been serious performance (especially acceleration) that punches above what you's expect from it's apparent class and weight, at least as far as the R series chassis have gone, and we're quickly running into a world where going electric is the way you get things like that.
Nissan let the IDx die for this cybertruck sports car... Has no one learned already from Dodge's EV challenger or the Audi E-tron? technical racing benefits from EV's , city driving benefits from EV's, heavy industry benefits from EV's... We can mostly agree its an engament and entertainment thing... Most EV's are aimed to be as inoffensive, bland and sterile as possible, case in point, Hyundai made a cool EV and lots of people love it, why? Because it actually has a personality...
They’ll need to keep an ICE, at least in a hybrid form, possibly pure ICE if they want to be kind to the aftermarket in any way. As for the weight, it’s not like GT-Rs have been that light compared to their contemporary rivals since the R32, so I wouldn’t be going crazy like most other “purists”.
Horrendous. I truly hope they don't build anything that looks like this. I'm finally old enough and earning enough where I can afford a GTR... If this is the one they're going to try selling me, no thanks.
Here's the only thing Nissan needs to do. Face lift it and add a manual. That it. Nothing else. Don't make it electric or hybrid or have massive touch screens, or subscription heated seats. Just leave it the way it is
electric sports cars aren’t what people want. Even Rimac said as much. So they should try to keep an engine in the next generation. As for the design, it reminds me a little of the Batman cartoon batmobile. Not too bad.
"Developing a GT-R(36) for the electric car market will be challenging..." Audi points at the E-tron GT and sneers derisively at Nissan. "Beat cha to it, [redacted]."
The concept for the current R35 was pretty ugly too, compared to the final product. I'm hoping this will have the same level of refinement/change going into the production model. Nissan is one of the only companies where a lot of the concepts somehow look worse than the final designs.
Most governments will realize what a brain dead idea electric vehicle mandates are within the next decade. Dodge under stelantis is going to find out the hard way. Failing to deliver what the target market wants will just make the difficult prospect of selling a sport car even harder. It might be better for them to take their time with this. Companies already lose money making sports cars so they need a widely respected flagship car to be worth it. If you can’t produce something worthy of the badge then there’s nothing wrong with a hiatus.
for me 9:36 that car as a standalone thing looks great, the problem is when they try to associate the GTR legacy with that, it doesnt FIT. if they want an electric thing, they better name it something else, but a gtr it will never be.
The rest of the concept is meh, passable. That front end though is terrible. And I really hope they don't make it all electric. If it was some sort of hybrid that would probably sell but a full electric GTR is a sacrilege
The GTR us supposed to be a simple aggressive designed sports cars they have totally lost the plot on what a GTR is supposed to look like it’s the reason why the R35 design has been the exact same for all these years just remaking the exact same car for years shows you have lost the plot years ago not because you don’t want yo make a different car
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They should look at all the late 80s, 90s and early 2000s Japanese cars most car enthusiasts love and take example and inspiration from what worked
They were loved because Japanese manufacturers were winning races left-and-right at the time. McLaren Honda in F1, Mitsubishi in Dakkar, Subaru in WRC, Mazda in LeMans, Nissan in GT, Toyota in Indy, Suzuki in PikesPeak, etc. They were crazy dominating.
The way to go is Retro-Design! Currently Restomod's are popping out everywhere! Alpine did the A110, a retromodern Design of the old 70's one! And it worked well! Also the US cars like Mustang and Camaro are Retrodesigns from the older generations! Soo... The way to go for Nissan is something like a Retro R34 Design! That's the ultimate Skyline! R35 is iconic too but was always a bit too big in dimensions! It allways looked huge and massive while the Skyline's looked more filigrane and more like traditional coupe's...
And what about a H2 engine for the R36? Or e-fuel combustion engine?
The way to go is Retro-Design! Currently Restomod's are popping out everywhere! Alpine did the A110, a retromodern Design of the old 70's one! And it worked well! Also the US cars like Mustang and Camaro are Retrodesigns from the older generations! Soo... The way to go for Nissan is something like a Retro R34 Design! That's the ultimate Skyline! R35 is iconic too but was always a bit too big in dimensions! It allways looked huge and massive while the Skyline's looked more filigrane and more like traditional coupe's...
And what about a H2 engine for the R36? Or e-fuel combustion engine?
@@davidsentanu7836 I disagree, you make it sound like that's the only reason but a lot of cars, especially the European ones have a successful racing history, but that doesn't automatically make them appealing to people, especially on a global scale, what you said has nothing to do with the car itself just it's status, which popularity wise nowadays doesn't equal to pop culture status like movies, games, social media, but it obviously depends on the car
Car enthusiasts aren't that important to many car companies
It is GODAWFUL.
It's like NIssan looked at the Cybertruck and said 'how can we make something uglier'?
@@fl00d69 Well said!
Yet none have come near to the legendary Multipla in ungliness
@@SuraSzellem how did fiat even come up with such a thing
@@bluespeedrail7731 good question.
Another is, how did anyone look at it think, yeah i wanna drive that
It's like R35 and Cyber Truck had a Baby!😱😜🤣
The Electric Fiat 500, a CITY CAR, the perfect type of car to be electric, has failed so spectacularly that production has stopped and Fiat is scrambling to create an ICE version of it as fast as possible.
My point is: If even City Car EVs are failing so hard, imagine the financial disasters that Electric Sports Cars are going to be. EV fans don't want a sports car and sports car fans don't want an EV. Those are two completely opposite categories. Making a sport EV is like making a Luxury Panel Van.
I think about this a lot.
Don't get me wrong, I don't necessarily hate EV's and I do think they have their place, the biggest issue though is this rapid push towards a technology that isn't currently capable of fulfilling the demanding needs the average consumer requires, not to mention their expensive nature.
As it stands, if many other companies who were initially pushing towards EV power are suddenly turning on their heels back to ICU, I think that alone is proof that EV cars currently aren't a sustainable solution for consumers and car manufacturers, at least not currently.
It's hard to say what the future will bring and while I've no doubt that EV power will gradually improve over time, I do think we are a while off from the technology reaching it's peak and thus (metaphorically) taking EV's out of the oven when they haven't finished baking yet leads to them ultimately failing a good portion of consumers.
@@clockwork3494 Exactly, I also think EVs have their place as city commuter cars. But as sports cars? Absolutely not.
I still love the design of the GTR, a coworker bought an old one, and I can tell you this car turns heads way more than a 911. An Electric GTR would be like $300k+ and sell poorly since the second hand value will be $100k after 3 years
That's the beauty of the Porsche tbh. It's supposed to be the choice of the wealthy, low-key enthusiast
@@0LLy796 No. It was supposed to be the "poor mans sports car". Now it's the every "wealthy, but not rich" mans flex mobile.
The GTR has been mewing
😂😂😂😂😂
Haha, good one
It's ugly as sin imho.
Cybertruck level bs.
Genuinely off-putting.
Its look way better than that cyber truck 100 %
Thats a low bar it still looks like somone dropped a fridge of their roof@@edwarddechausay44
not a tall bar to hurdle to be fair@@edwarddechausay44
car guys when companies try anything unusual:
They could print money if they went retro futuristic with the design. A modernized C110 style body, or one based on the R32 sould do wonders. The current concept just looks like a lego brick with a massive chin.
concepts most of the times look crazy, so the production version will look like one but more round, is it mewing?]
Absolutely! We need a Retro-modern R34 Design!
R35 was allready too big and too radical for my taste... That was when they only called it GT-R...
Remember, the GT-R's before were Skyline's! (Basically allmost what the BMW 3 Series is in Europe)
They should go back to basics! No huge Supercar, just a modern R34!😎👍
@@einautofan6685To make it simple for Nissan, they can make a boxy sport car that use 400Z platform and engine, then named it "Skyline GTT"
Actually crazy to me how Hyundai of all car manufactures nailed this with the N Vision 74.
Yes it's still a concept car currently (albeit confirmed for production by 2026), but I think the car captures what people are looking for in retro-futuristic designs flawlessly, amazes me how other manufacturers still aren't taking notes from them.
@@clockwork3494 The 74 will be a very expensive low production car unfortunately so the odds of seeing one in the wild are so slim that it might as well remain a concept. I was really hoping they'd take that design language, and build a car to compete with the GR86 or even the Nissan Z and Toyota supra at least in pricing segments. That said the N Vision 74 is a beautiful design. Idk what's going on with Nissan's design board with the GTR, but this current concept never gets any further in hope.
Oh goodness, makes the Cybertruck look pretty
The Nissan Vision 2020 looked so much better.
That’s a vacuum cleaner
Yep! That's the new Dyson R36!🤣😜👍
Dear Bembli,
with EV this car will absolutely fail! A huge part of the GT-R world is aftermarket tuning! They all had huge tuning potential! But without a proper engine there will be no tuning, no mufflers, no backfire, no sound! All the things GT-R fans love...
Why not go with a new developed H2 engine like Toyota does...?
🤔
if its going ev, its going to fail.
It could no worse than the current R35 which has sold less than 100 per yr nowadays.
@@gerogyzurkov2259 the r35 doesn't sell good anymore bc theres already alot of them out there, and if it goes ev it will fail, simply bc ppl buy sports/supercars for the sounds and looks ofc, witch this "r36" already failed at.
@@beamer8907 No, it doesn't sell well because it's an aging platform selling at the price point of over 100k when a Corvette or other high performance car in the price range absolutely crushes it.
@@MuShinnenyou've successfully repeated what he said. It's an aging platform cos it's an aging car. The market is saturated with it. No one is paying 120k for a car they can find on the used market for half the price
@@0LLy796 thank you
The hyper force front look like a Minecraft FL5 civic
They need to bring the R34 Retro styling into the R36 GTR. Like that one concept that floating around online.
Roman miah?
There is no way on earth that this hyperforce/"bosuzoku" R36 would look like that as a replacement for R35. It's too pointy, it would be unsafe for pedestrians
They should go back to the R34 lines, those classic 90s Slick horizontal headlights look too good, just ask Porsche with the 963 Lemans Car
A new retro-modern R34 Design!😎👍
I feel like the GT-R50 should have been the mid gen update for this car ,but they had to make it exclusive 🥴
You realise that the R35 have mid gen update twice.
I feel that there isa lot of misunderstanding among auto comunity outside Japan about this concept. This is Bosozoku styled concept, inspired by GT-R lines, but not a GT-R Successor
My takeaway from this concept car is that it is a very early glimpse into what the new Nissan GT-R COULD look like. In other words, it is hopefully not what the R36 will look like in its final form since it's immediately clear that the Hyper Force concept does not look good nor does it look like a finalized design. You would also think that the next step would be to hybridize the GT-R and not immediately make it a full BEV considering the popularity of EVs has taken a step back given the slight decrease in demand. Not to mention, even electric hypercars that cost over a million dollars aren't selling all that well either. So if cars like the Rimac Nevera were hard to sell, then an all-electric GT-R would also be a hard sell.
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If they want to make their next supercar electric, they need to make it an entirely different car, instead of making it the next gen GTR. It would be such a disrespect to the Nissan GTR legacy to make a next gen GTR fully electric. And financially, it would just be an absolutely disaster in today’s car market. Personally, I think they should at least make it a hybrid - which will impact tun-ability, but their are work-arounds, so tuning a GTR with a hybrid platform wouldn’t be impossible
I don't even know what the design team was thinking about when designing that thing. It is horrendous.
I wouldn‘t go so far as to say that it‘s horrendous, but I‘ve never been too fond of the design as well. I just hope that the next one will be a truly worthy successor to the GTR brand
10:34-10:36
"He is in a vehicle!"
"Make and color?"
"It's a black...combination stealth fighter and...tank..."
The front doesn't look right
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I worked as a designer on the 2001 concept and would love to see an e-power hybrid get as a stop-gap!!!!
Nissan dragged out the R35, it started as godzila and is now a dinosaur. I remember when it was ahead of everyone, now it's the slow car compared to most others sports cars.
the biggest issue with Nissan is the cheap transmissions they put in 90 percent of their cars. Enthusiasts and internet warriors love halo cars but if they cant get the entry and mid level cars profitable it wont matter how good or bad the new gtr is. The company does not sell enough of those to stay in business.
God that front is atrocious 😂 I wish eVs were never mad smh
Am glad they were made 😂
@@mcsike7264 prolly could never afford a quick car till cheap tesla EVs came out. 😂
@@G82Watts i mean having a plaid track pack is pretty nice practical and can beat pretty much most things on the road while bring the kids to school sounds like a bargain to me 😂
@@mcsike7264 u don't get the lively engagement though. Its fun but gets boring after awhile. Having a gt3rs or something that would never happen. More communicative, better driving dynamics , etc etc
@@G82WattsPersonal preference.
It's gonna be funny when this is $700K+ on launch and flops hardcore because of it. Please, for the love of God, Nissan, don't go electric.
That concept is hideous. It reminds me of a steel dustpan or snow shovel.
I’m actually one of the few who really likes the limited edition GT-R50 by Italdesign. That should have been the successor, though $1m for a Nissan GT-R is absolutely insane and has turned off a lot of buyers as you can get into much more compelling and established super cars from Ferrari, Aston Martin, McLaren, etc. for that price.
No, the GT-R 50 was also ugly...
The way to go is Retrodesign!!!
We need a retro-modern new R32/R34!
Same size, allmost same weight but more power! And a modern engine, not EV! Maybe a hybrid or H2 engine?🤔
bro that chin is awful, it looks like they merged a cyber truck with a Honda civic and then gave it underbite worthy of a Hapsburg. I don't trust anyone to actually manage to make an EV worthy of the GTR badge. they're just too heavy as it is. it also doesn't help that EV's rarely manage to bring any emotion forward other than ambivalence. since other than the skin, its the same damn drive train at its core. there's no sound or torque curve or any performance metric other than watts. the R35 was cool because its styling was super unique, it was powerful with an engine unlike anything in its competitors, paired with an incredible transmission and AWD system. and all that made it a successor to the R34 GTR. all that would be different between that concept and a cybertruck is the looks and ride height. it just wouldn't be special.
Personally I never like the styling of the r35. The rear end is too high, the roof slopes too much and the headlights just don’t do it for me. All models before it looks like an evolution of one another but the r35 doesn’t bear any real resemblance to them. I think a modern futuristic looking r34 would be perfect for the new gtr.
I think the new 2023 gtr resembles the old r34.
So glad the 35 is being retired. Falls into same category of Huayra, Challenger etc of overstaying its welcome.
@@noiisserpmii the huayra didn't overstay it's welcome anymore than the zonda before it. It's a Hypercar, they just don't make new generations every few years. The Chiron was out for over a decade before the turbillion was announced. The jesko is looking likely to be the same thing. They also don't lose value in the second market like the GTR or challenger. Don't lump it in with them
As a kid who drew cars and always looked at the concept drawings at the car shows, I can appreciate this leap by the designers. This is a 2040 design, not 2024. Other than the nose being to locomotive, I would drive this GTR. For the other 99% this GTR looks insane, I get it, LoL!! It's so bizarre and I was laughing last night when I came across your video... After thinking what would a car look like if the designers threw 80% of the past away and created a car with a legendary badge that barely resembles a car as we know it today. I was looking at some of the car design groups on FB during dinner and was thinking about this non-looking-car on a long drive home. Love your channel!
Side, and back looks good…however, the front is a vacuum cleaner…😂😅
Back good, side ok, front ugly
Under present market and infrastructure circumstances, would love to see a hybrid GT-R. Oo oO
Love it that Government is shoving the EV market down our throats.
really interesting video! i hope the production version dosent look like that, since its very unappealing to everyone, but its still quite unique, maybe you could redesign it?
I wouldn't buy neither. The R35 is an overpriced ancient vehicle that pales in comparison with any of their competitors and the Hyper Force is HIDEOUS. I would prefer a new Silvia instead.
They could bring back the skyline gts-t. Make a gas-only RWD cheaper version. The GTR would be 4WD with hybrid powertrain
No one wants an EV GTR it will kill the brand. Everyone betting all their cards on solid state better be praying.
"Daring to do, what others don't" by going all EV for R36? That's just lies and wokeness. Every single manufacturer is trying do make EVs these days, you don't need to be brave for that. It's the opposite, of what would be considered brave. If they were brave they would make a non EV, R36 with a new design, updated engine, drivertrain, suspension and some other technology
IF the super-heavy M5 is an indicator for how much weight AWD Hybird/Electric Supercars are going then I am deeply concerned. I bought the R35 when it first came out and even then it was a HEAVY car, I worry that more weight and electric drive would make it just another Tesla clone without any personality of it's own.....
You should check out the Renault R17 concept. Amazing modern classic design similar to the Hyundai N Vision 74
They should make it a hybrid instead of making it full electric.
i think a q60 or g37 body with a 2010s maxima front end with some adjustments to modernize might look like a skyline (not a gtr, but potentially a starting point for one)
I’m tired of all these regulations BS. If they care about environment so bad they should start by banning companies like Coke from producing more plastics. 😒
That is a gamer interior
Yeah there was a 13 Year gap, but there still were the Skyline R30 RS Turbo and the Skyline R31 GTS-R.
In situations like these, car makers go back down to the simple question: What Is It? What was it made for? What is it's primary purpose?
Imo, it is supposed to be a car that was made primarily for racing, and all the tech in the car is exactly for that - to make it good and fast around a racetrack.
Likely to be a hybrid since hybrids have a perfect blend of EV's acceleration and ICE's top speed
Cadillac's lmdh prototype is the perfect example of that.
This is clearly a concept car. I'm not concerned Nissan will be producing it as a replacement for the current GTR. The front is like something out of a bad horror movie. I do not understand the design or why it was permitted even for a concept. It makes no sense. The rest of the body isn't as bad but still on the extreme end. _Origami_ is the perfect word to describe this design exercise. I think that's all that needs to be said about the appearance. As for the platform, I am against EVs until an alternative for lithium is found and the grid reinforced to meet the power demand. Until then, a hybrid system sounds good to me, unfortunately Nissan doesn't agree.
yea, these new hybrid (super) cars that come out nowadays where pretty small e-motors spool the turbos in low rpm to boost the power output by soo much, are quite nice most the time and they are a "+" for cars like those but when it goes in the direction of the new m5 touring which now ways upwards 2,5tons because all the E stuff, it's getting out of Hand.
@@kettehro Yes, I totally agree. The German marques and their recent implementation of hybrid tech is exactly what I don't want. Too heavy for a performance car. Hybrid tech is good as long as any battery that comes with it is minimal and won't impact vehicle weight too much. For increased performance and a nominal extension in range it's OK.
Hyperforce looks terrible, but I suspect its more of an experiment into how far they could push things rather than an serious concept for the furuture of the GTR badge. Early ideation, not a finished product. Personally, I hope they take some cues from it but shift stylisation into the sort of retro-modern thing a handful of manufacturers have been doing recently (Even Nissan themselves a little, with the Z34). It's probably the coolest style to ever hit the car market at large.
Electric is definitely the way to go with the GTR, tho. Its calling card has always been serious performance (especially acceleration) that punches above what you's expect from it's apparent class and weight, at least as far as the R series chassis have gone, and we're quickly running into a world where going electric is the way you get things like that.
Nissan let the IDx die for this cybertruck sports car... Has no one learned already from Dodge's EV challenger or the Audi E-tron? technical racing benefits from EV's , city driving benefits from EV's, heavy industry benefits from EV's... We can mostly agree its an engament and entertainment thing... Most EV's are aimed to be as inoffensive, bland and sterile as possible, case in point, Hyundai made a cool EV and lots of people love it, why? Because it actually has a personality...
How is it done well when it sold only less than 100 per yr now?
Looks so good. Even as an EV I still like the japaneseness of it.
"we would have loved to make it for 17 years more" is an amazingly hilarious quote
None of that will meet safety regulations
They’ll need to keep an ICE, at least in a hybrid form, possibly pure ICE if they want to be kind to the aftermarket in any way. As for the weight, it’s not like GT-Rs have been that light compared to their contemporary rivals since the R32, so I wouldn’t be going crazy like most other “purists”.
The design looks like a mix of Group B audi quattro and GTR cockpit that is a batmobile
Horrendous. I truly hope they don't build anything that looks like this. I'm finally old enough and earning enough where I can afford a GTR... If this is the one they're going to try selling me, no thanks.
Guess I'll keep my 2017 GT-R forever if the next one is gonna be an EV.
Here's the only thing Nissan needs to do. Face lift it and add a manual. That it. Nothing else. Don't make it electric or hybrid or have massive touch screens, or subscription heated seats. Just leave it the way it is
UGH!!! Screw these stupid regulations!!!!
They need to bring back the RB engines!!!
Looks like Darth Vader's Ore miner from Red Alert...
by looks GT-R still looks great and fresh
Why dont you try to design an all electric GTR 36. see what you can come up with.
Front inspired by gtr 30 super silhoute.
Looks like a design for cyberpunk 2077
electric sports cars aren’t what people want. Even Rimac said as much. So they should try to keep an engine in the next generation.
As for the design, it reminds me a little of the Batman cartoon batmobile. Not too bad.
Looks like Kids make futuristic car mods in GTA
Im like one of the 3 people who don't mind the design! (Cyberpunk fan)
i just want a redesign with the same engine as the gtr
"Developing a GT-R(36) for the electric car market will be challenging..."
Audi points at the E-tron GT and sneers derisively at Nissan. "Beat cha to it, [redacted]."
The concept for the current R35 was pretty ugly too, compared to the final product. I'm hoping this will have the same level of refinement/change going into the production model. Nissan is one of the only companies where a lot of the concepts somehow look worse than the final designs.
Taking the meaning of 'shoebox' to another level over here. Really not an appealing design at all.
Please don't destroy the GT-R
Why don't they just do a modern take on the hakosuka or r34
What the hell is that thing, Darth Vader mobile.
Next time google what bosuzoku is. This changes the context of the concept a lot.
The GTR is the last model in the Nissan range that should be electrified. A hybrid would be more acceptable.
We're not gonna have any interesting cars left at this rate.
Warning: Do not google the Nissan Ariya Nismo, their first Nismo EV.
Isnt leaf their first Nismo
Most governments will realize what a brain dead idea electric vehicle mandates are within the next decade. Dodge under stelantis is going to find out the hard way. Failing to deliver what the target market wants will just make the difficult prospect of selling a sport car even harder. It might be better for them to take their time with this. Companies already lose money making sports cars so they need a widely respected flagship car to be worth it. If you can’t produce something worthy of the badge then there’s nothing wrong with a hiatus.
for me 9:36 that car as a standalone thing looks great, the problem is when they try to associate the GTR legacy with that, it doesnt FIT.
if they want an electric thing, they better name it something else, but a gtr it will never be.
GT-R in EV version is a big mistake
Regulations has killed many special cars
Where are heading to?😢
Thank you regulations
EV don´t deserve the GT-R badge.....period
Personally I would love to see a hydrogen GTR. Would still have soul :)
Tell you what they can make it! But don’t call it GTR. Call it GTE or ETR
Nissan won't even survive till 2028 ...
I hope they come up with something sleek, and not another fat hog.
So no R36?
how come american cars can have V8's still, but a GTR with V6TT is a big no no ?
The SUV, young ladies handbag, has ruined the cool car.
The rest of the concept is meh, passable. That front end though is terrible. And I really hope they don't make it all electric. If it was some sort of hybrid that would probably sell but a full electric GTR is a sacrilege
The GTR us supposed to be a simple aggressive designed sports cars they have totally lost the plot on what a GTR is supposed to look like it’s the reason why the R35 design has been the exact same for all these years just remaking the exact same car for years shows you have lost the plot years ago not because you don’t want yo make a different car
It looks way better than that hidious crap ev truck from elon musk and tesla and you all love that stupid looking truck