Reaction To The Devil's Brigade - Bar Brawl
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This is my reaction to The Devil's Brigade - Bar Brawl
In this video I react to scene from the movie The Devil's Brigade which is the elite special forces military unit from WW2 that combined the American military and Canadian military and is the foundation for today's current American Special Forces. This is an important part of USA and Canada military history.
Original Video - • The Devil's Brigade - ...
That's Richard Dawson in the kilt. You might know him from Hogan's Heroes TV Series (1965-1971), The Running Man (1987), and Family Feud TV Series (1976-1985)
He was also an Englishman.
He was very adept with accents
...wearing underpants...
They couldn't really show regimental now could they
@@TheTraktergirl No. So don't make a point of filming a man in a kilt jumping off the bar so that we see his underpants. That easy.
I was in the Canadian Army and had the great fortune to have met and had beers with several Canadian members of the Devil's Brigade in our mess. Great lads, every one of them. I got some real history lessons directly from the legends themselves.
Thanks for your service. My friend who he's great uncle was one of the many in the devils brigade. UBIQUIE
The bartender (who throws one punch ... and then looks at his fist smiling) was Gene Fullmer, a world middleweight boxing champion. It was his only movie appearance, just an interesting fact.
Canucks and Yanks have always been friendly rivals, love teasing each other but always have each others’ backs.
It should be pointed out that the two Big soldiers, Rocky the American is Claude Atkins and Peacock the Canadian (with the ginger moustache) is Jack Watson, both famous for playing hard men. Watson was also in The Wild Geese, his war service was as a Physical Training instructor for the Royal Navy, leasing to many years playing military men in film and TV.
The commonwealth forces had served in Asia. Fairborne and Sykes had been police officers in Hong Kong. They were able to learn from BJJ and Karate, Kung Fu and Muay Ti. They are the grandfathers of MMA. I highly recommend the book Natural Born Heroes.
Canadians and Americans are like family that don't always agree. One is louder and more brash and the other quietly gets things done without yelling about their accomplishments. Yet, when push comes to shove, we are family.
Robin Williams described the relationship as Canadians are the nice neighbours living over the meth lab in the apartment below.
Is this movie accurate? It's definitely been Hollywoodized, but it's a fun watch. Grab your popcorn, suspend your sense of disbelief and just enjoy the ride.
Great movie. It's based on a true Brigade history. You'll recognize one of the Canadians from a game show... Family Feud and Hogan's Heroes. :)
Richard Dawson was there on the Canadian side.
The Canadian commander later played Uncle Ben in the Tobey Maguire Spiderman(s?) (Spidermen?).
The yanks were Johnny come lately the Canucks had been fighting for years years and hadn't fought anyone seriously yet.
Tell that to Bomber Command
@@michaelhamm6805 even the airforce was still kinda green on d day by British or Canadian experience not taking away from them,just perspective.
Yes you do!!!
1:50 the answer is no.
In an interview with a few of the last surviving Canadian members of this brigade, they all think the movie is a complete farce. They say all the Canadians and Americans were volunteers eager to work with one another. And they became so close during their tour, that when the brigade was disbanded, and it was time for all the Canadians to all jump into the back of a truck to head North, all their American counterparts-gathered to see them off-ran as far as they could after the truck waving goodbye, as the Canadians did so from their truck.
So there was the opposite of animosity, indeed they were all brothers. but you know Hollywood.
No matter the condition of world events, the Scots will always be our brother in arms! We currently need you, and you need us! LFG!!
It's 'Scots', mon ami.
@bluerock4456 Oh my goodness, you are so correct! I didn't even notice. Dang autocorrect 😑 Thanks for pointing it out.
I loved the film and saw it when it came out but it was only decades later that I discovered that the most decorated Canadian soldier of WWII was a native Canadian, Thomas George Prince who served in the Devil's Brigade. Making a film about the unit without featuring its most decorated soldier is quite a sad reflection of the attitude of the film makers. There isn't a single non- White soldier in the entire film. Very 1960's.
looks Like Wainwright
Yes there were tentions, but this film has been "Hollywooded". Recognize the chap from Hogan's Heros? This marks the point the in their history, when they started to come together as one.
There still is animosity!! The Yankees are jealous of us Canadians, we are actually how they see themselves!!✊🇨🇦
Be the First one to react to this movie, on one on UA-cam has
Historys a lie. They also built Amazing churches castles auditorys ect in the .17 an 1800s with donkeys an no powertools lol
This scene is where they finally lose their animosity and become a unified brotherhood.
Thebar brawl really did happen, but it wasn't the catalyst bringing the two sides together. There never was a rift between them in the first place. From the moment the canadians first arrived they were well received by the americans. The bar brawl happened to show the locals that if they wanted to take on one of them they would have to take on the whole lot That espirit de corps is ubiquitous to all military units.That espirit de corps only grew as they went through many battles together. When the regiment was disbanded the american soldiers refused to close ranks and take the place where their canadian comrades priviously stood. There is still a monument to this day in Montana commemorating the First Special Service Force. FSSF
That monument is in Helena.
Well received ?
Tommy Prince "the Prince of the Devil's Brigade" a Canadian Indigenous Super Soldier.
Tommy Prince VC
@@unkyduck not a winner of the Victoria Cross.
@@bluerock4456 I stand corrected, it was the Military Medal and the US Silver Star with Ribbon
@@unkyduck should be. Should be.
Love the subtle dry sense of humour of the Canadians and their way of dealing with things much like us Kiwis, subtle as a ton of bricks
That’s how we Canucks are. At least in the older or more rural areas.
It's a leftover of colonialism that we've subtly tweaked for our own 😅❤
Interservice rivalry: In 1943, my father was training with the Canadian 1st Division at Aldershot. He and a friend were the only two Canadians in a pub one night. When the landlord called "Time, gentlemen, please!", a British soldier yelled, "They're not gentlemen! They're bloody Canadians!" The fight was on. As my dad said, "We put our backs together and hit anything that came near. Then we dove out the back as the provosts came in the front." So, yeah, there was interservice (and international) rivalry.
Lol the guy with the glasses is the hand-to-hand combat trainer. Hence why he's so proud of them and shaking their hands.
In my opinion his resemblance to William E. Fairnbairn is intentional, with the short hair, smooth cheeks and round glasses. The difference is that Fairnbairn is the real deal, a genuine hand-to-hand expert who instructed a lot of special operations people in the deadly art of killing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_E._Fairbairn
@@davidkillens8143 they did a really good job. Like a younger version of him from the picture.
He's actually Based on Irishman Dermot "pat" O'Neill
Who was the actual instructor. Also in Shaghai police with Fairbairn
@@Shamacanada Thank you, that proves correct and adds more context to the film.
Geez, when they recruit for special forces instructors they get the most dangerous men ever.
@@davidkillens8143Special forces don't screw around.
The big American guy was played by Claud Akins, a fairly well known character actor who appeared in movies and TV shows from the 50s up until the 90s. The film starred big-time stars William Holden, Cliff Robertson and Dana Andrews. The kilted guy in the bar scene was Richard Dawson, who played in the movie Running Man and the TV series Hogan's Heroes. K I have a joke for you. What does a Scotman wear under his kilt? Your wifes lipstick! Alba go bragh! 🏴🏴🏴
That, or : Q. "what's worn beneath the kilt?" A. "Nothing, it's all in pairfect condition!" For 'pairfect', think in a Scots accent ...
@@bluerock4456 Aye, lots of mileage and still runnin' fain!
This clip, while fictional, demonstrates how different branches of the Military may bicker and fight but band together when outsiders interfere.
That said, yes there was a Rivally between the Canadians and American troops. They were bonded together with blood
The Canadian Armed Forces was formed with irish, scotish and british descent, so naturally we have scotish and irish regiments in Canada.
The Voltigeurs were also incorporated into the Canadian forces in the 19-century.
@@bluerock4456 Ya, out of Quebec city, I thought they were left over of the french times, Volto is a french term for skirmishers so I always just assumed.
I had the honour to play the pipes for a reunion that the Canadian members of the Devils Brigade had in Nanaimo back in the 90's when there were still a number of them around. Sadly, I don't think there are many left.
The barman was former boxer gene fuller one of the toughest fighters in history.
That was Gene Fullmer (The Mormon Mauler) who had been World Middleweight Champ after defeating Sugar Ray Robinson. The head townie lumberjack was the legendary former Green Bay Packer halfback Paul Hornung
I am proud to say my father was one of them red devils
You def need to watch this whole movie.
Mixed emotions about this film. First off, Canada's contribution usually gets ignored in almost all movies about WW2 so it's hard to knock this one too much. That said, enjoy it for what it is, a fairly typical Hollywood film riddled with errors that is still fairly entertaining. I know, no one expects it to be a documentary. It is what it is. All war movies - even the best of them, take artistic license in order to make the film more enjoyable/watchable.
First complaint (and I always get a lot of flak for saying this) the FSSF was never known as the Devil's Brigade. That invented nickname popped up out of the blue as the title of the 1966 book on which this 1968 movie was based. Unfortunately, this movie has cemented that name in lore. Some are going to get their panties in a twist and start talking about German diaries at Anzio. Yes there was a German diary. The writer of it referred to the Force as being 'black devils'. This was because they did a lot of patrolling at night and blackened their faces in order to limit their visibility. 'Black devils'. Not 'Devil's Brigade'. You will not find a historical publication predating 1966 that ever mentions that name. I've looked for years. I've talked with vets from the Force. There's no mention of it.
The next unfortunate bit concerns choice of actors for Canadians. There were plenty of Canadians working in movies, it would have been nice to hire some of them instead of American Cliff Robertson with his fake Irish accent. At least Battle of Britain hired Christopher Plummer to play it's one token Canadian in that film. All that said, as a former member of the PPCLI, it is great that a decision was made to make the unarmed combat instructor a PPCLI Sgt. Even though the actual instructor was completely different and the actor playing him is an American. The interactions between him and Akins are funny.
The next complaint is a little unfair given the limitations of telling a huge story in a limited time. The film only covers the formation, training and action in Italy up to the seizure of Monte la Difensa. This was a significant action for the Force, but, they did so much more. They particularly distinguished themselves at Anzio. Too bad there was insufficient time to tell the story right up to the disbandment in France. I do appreciate that trying to cram too much into the film would result in it being rushed. Perhaps some time could have been saved by dispensing with the silly 'capture the town' part with its bit about lining up all the POWs, captured vehicles etc outside the CO's window.
Anyway. Entertaining. Shows Canada in a positive light. Has a few stars in it. Worth a watch.
I had a relative with the first Canadian division in italy (not in this unit) and the comment from him when this movie came out was that they got along great with the Yanks.
"That guy" was the self-defence instructor. There's an excellent scene where he's introduced.
Should be the next one. If this was the most requested, the Mess Hall scene shouldn't have been too far behind lol
Jeremy Slate
@@bobcohoon9615No, not Jeremy Irons.
@@bobcohoon9615 Jeremy Slate
@@bluerock4456 Jeremy Slate
Yes, watch the movie, but don't come away thinking that this is the way Canadians are. The accents are tearable, and we're just not that stupid.
Now that's rich...the guy claims not to be stupid...and spells terrible as "tearable"....
Good movie, just take it with a massive grain of salt.
like all hollywood movies.
It's certainly not a documentary.
Cpl Peacock- Jack Watson later stared in the Wild Geese '78. He was in the military as a PE instructor. He died in 1999. Although not widely known in America he has 130 films to his credit beginning in 1938.
There is always tension between us CDN/USA even during peace time training. Just have a night off and throw in some booze and get ready to rumble. Next day back to work, all friends again.
Love the movie but talk to veterans who were involved they will tell you it was fiction
From what I’ve read, the final battle was fairly accurate.
Well, it certainly isn't court testimony; however, I think you would be surprised how much some of these events are "BASED" on actual accounts, with creative discretion to make the movie more entertaining of course.
There are different regiments in the Canadian military, but being part of the Commonwealth, our military was always linked with the UK and there is a lot of English, Scottish and Irish heritage here. Where I'm from, it's standard to hear a pipes and drums band playing Scotland the Brave at parades and events. It's as natural to me (having a grandmother who was a Campbell and Glaswegian) to hear it.
Thanks for this... makes me wonder how many times my grandfather faced the same challenges during WW2....
You would never wear your cap in the bar
You would end up buying a round for everyone
@@TheTraktergirl Not true. Only if it were a Military Mess with a picture of the King or Queen hanging on the wall. Civilian bars are fair game.
Of course civvi bars thank you for reminding me,lol
In a military mess the web belt came off as well.
It was less about tension between US and Canada, more like a testament to American style attitudes among their menfolk at the time.
Love that, "Don't disgrace the uniforms lads!"
It is fictionalized and exaggerated, but it’s a great film.
100% Hollywood.
5:30 - The gag here is that the Rocky used the very same moves to take out the big lumberjack, as the Canadian hand-to-hand instructor (with the glasses) used on _him_ earlier in the film.
Loved that mess hall scene where they were introduced to the hand to hand instructor
In the West, we call them loggers.
Yes, there is a scene available in UA-cam clips that shows the hand-to-hand instructor beating up the character Rocky (Claude Akins) in the unit mess hall.
@@bluerock4456 (Credited as "Lumberjack" in the film.)
@@Great_Sandwich we're both right, GS.
If you've ever seen a Maritimes barfight, this doesn't hold a candle to it
can confirm. lol
My dad was in the FSSF and he and his comrades, had the pleasure of viewing the movie and without a doubt it was not well received. The movie is entertaining but nothing like what really occurred. The Canadians never marched in to Fort Harrison as was depicted in the movie. They arrived on a troop train like all the other soldiers.
A little reference. The guy with the glasses is a Canadian hand to hand combat instructor. In a scene before this, he's shown beating the Americans in hand to hand combat as a demonstration of his skills. Throughout the bar fight you see Americans using the moves he had demonstrated in training. That's why he congratulated that one American on his moves, before he got socked
This is one of my favourite parts of this movie.
Hey Mert, when you coming to Canada?🤔
Richard Dawson(kilted) Claud Aikens (American ) were the most famous actors in this scene. The leaders of the brigade (not in scene) were William Holden (American)and Cliff Robertson(Canadian)
Richard Dawson was the one on the bar in the fight
There were many character actors in the scene, including the MP Sergeant.
My Uncle was in the FSSF ( FIRST SPECIAL SERVICES FORCE ) aka The Devil's Brigade. He said that this movie was a good watch, but totally untrue when it came to animosity between the Canadians and Americans. THERE WAS NONE !!
Devil's Brigade is an entertaining movie "based" on a true story, sort of like how Brave Heart was filmed about Scottish history,
Speaking from personal experience there's always been a certain rivalry between allies put in a situation where they serve a common cause. This kind of rivalry even exists among the different elements within the same nation, Navy vs Army vs Air Force. May include bar fights or general ribbing during joint exercises & the like. But when the feces hits the rotating oscillator they all come together to work against a common foe. The bar fight scene here is a perfect depiction of that. The rivalry creates a common bond within the various units, helps build morale, identity & team cohesion.
William Holden was a fairly well known & popular actor during his career. Several cast members featured in popular long running TV series in the US. Carroll O'Connor in All In The Family and Richard Dawson in Hogan's Heroes. Both sitcoms with Hogan's Heroes set as a Prisoner of War camp in WW2 Germany.
Back in 1980 i attended a dinner reunion of the unit in Ottawa. To a man the members of the unit said the movie was nonsense. Funny how Hollywood can’t do a Canadian accent of find a Canadian actor.
The "Canadians" are portrayed as far too British. They would have been much more like the Americans they served with. What I'm trying to say is that except for different uniforms they would have been hard to tell apart. (no English or Scottish accents or of so very rare.) The Americans were portrayed as misfit rogue soldiers. Not the truth. There may have been rivalry used to get competition going by their leaders but no more than that. I had an uncle in that unit. He survived the war.
No you didnt.
LOL You should see the following scene. They destroyed the bar, MPs come...drag everyone back to base...wasted, women....CO is meh. They working together now.
My great-grandfather was gassed at the Western Front representing a regiment called the Liverpool Scottish.
In WW2 in England for WEEKEND LEAVE thay could not have Yanks with anybody else in the Alies but it only worked for the Yanks All other alies could interact easily the Canadian in the kilt is Richard Dawson he went on to host a American Game show
My father was in the Devil's Brigade in Italian campaign where he got hit with shrapnel in his head and he told me some stories about the war time and this movie I think was made as a tribute to these brave bunch of soldiers. This movie was tame as compared to the real thing. You had Claude Adtkins, William Holden, its been awhile since I seen this movie, this fight scene was supposed to bring both U.S. and Canadians together but well... the rest is history.
You really should sit down and watch this movie. So many big stars for their days. Some will say that never happened or that is not correct. Its a movie made to tell a story of an elite fighting unit in WWII. Where is Tom Hanks when you need him?!
I think the movie is more about fancy than reality but it’s a patriotic tumble through history that’s enjoyable. As for the Scot on the bar in a kilt during a fight as the saying goes they had “balls so big no pants could contain them” lol
As a granddaughter of a Black Watch soldier , I can assure you , I was raised in a house that was filled with pipe and drum music . Regimental of course.
This is not the brawl I thought it would be. There is another when the Americans fight theh Canadians in the mess hall. A Canadian jujitsu instructor show them a few tricks.
My grandfather was a man like this....there were many back then.
Yes, there was tension. There still is tension.
I also believe that one of the lumberjacks was paul Hornung, a former NFL football player
William Holden, a famous actor from the Golden age of Hollywood (Stalag 17, Sunset Boulevard) is in it as well as someone who later often played on TV shows, Claude Akins (BJ and the Bear). Richard Dawson, who played on Hogan’s Heroes and later was the host of the game show Family Feud was also in it. Cliff Robertson was also a well-known actor and one of his later roles was as Uncle Ben in the Toby Maguire Spiderman movie (2002). And also Caroll O’Connor was in it and he is probably most famously remembered for playing Archie Bunker. Love your accent, btw!
Does he realize his picture in picture is messed up?
I don't know about the actual historical events but have heard that American soldiers have a reputation of more cowboy behavior. I doubt there would have been much tension on a general basis. We are brothers after all. Perhaps the odd dust up as brothers do.
Canadiana channel, you'd like it.
Shame you didn’t watch until they made it back to camp. The unit commander is very happy to see the unit “fighting as a unit” and his punishment for the infraction of company rules is priceless.
They were a band of brothers.
Its on Tubi.. so much fun to rewatch
when the highland clearances were happening a lot of scots were shipped to canada. the first canadian prime minister was scottish, Sir John Macdonald. the first european to traverse north america was scottish, Sir Alexander Mackenzie, the mackenzie river is named after him. nova scotia (new scotland), cape breton island in particular, has a lot of scottish ancestry - Colaisde na Gàidhlig / The Gaelic College is located there. Anne Murray, Rita MacNeil, The Rankin Family, Ashley MacIsaac, Natalie MacMaster, etc. are well known musicians that hail from that part of the world. hockey had it's beginnings in nova scotia too, before it was formalized in montreal.
i have tulloch (black watch) as part of my ancestry.
you'd like a channel called Canadiana, they do history.
Canada is absolutely littered with Scottish place-names. E.g. my hometown, Calgary.
There's a lot of Scottish heritage in Cape Breton & it's celebrated every year with different events. Gaelic road signs are a bit much for some traveling here, but it's no problem seeing them on their way.
@@badgermacleod5588 Cape Breton...the "whine" capital of Canada.
@@michaelhamm6805: Troll.
This is a movie
Is that Richard Dawson with the woman in the blue dress?
Oui.
Claud Akins, who plays one of the bigger Yanks was featured in a number of war movies in the 1950's, '60s and '70s. He also starred in the TV series BJ and the Bear, and later in the spin-off series Sheriff Lobo where he played the same character. Richard Dawson, who played Newkirk in Hogan's Heroes is the man in the kilt. Cliff Robertson ,a great movie and TV actor. And Caroll O'Conner, who would go on to play Archie Bunker in All in the family.
Hello, mert. I am from the West Coast of Canada. This movie was just a little bit before my time and I've never seen it. If you find where I can watch it, can you let us know I'm not very good at computers. Or streaming or anything like that cause. I am now 59, but what's never hint to it and it came after me. Anyways, if you can let us know where we can find it.That would be great.Thank you.God bless
I just found it. Try googling Devil's Brigade Tubi tv. Most of the links for the other sites were blocked. It asked me to sign in under my email but I just closed the prompt and the movie still played.
Yes, this is a pivotal scene in the movie. I’m sure the Canadian/American rivalry was overdramatized, but this the scene when they came together as one unit.
I'm American, if anyone ever has Canadians backs....it's us. Any barfight, anywhere, anytime. We're with you guys!
My Grandfather served in the Devil's Brigade during WWII. Palmer O Griffiths HQ Det 1st Rgt December 25,1924-March 29,2008
I was born in December of 1949, so I was late to the ball. I learned a lot from Parents and a Grandmother (Dad's Mom) who all lived thru' the Great Depression and the War. Americans were very different back then; I remember so clearly how Dad would describe some of his best boyhood friends -- and tell me (in a manner that said it wasn't important) that This Guy was one he'd had a Knock-down-Drag-out fight with. There were several of them. I've seen it once, since - at a Salvation Army Summer camp; boys week. In any case, this brawl rings true for me.
there were many regiments with the Canadian Army back in WWll with Scottish names.
The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment)
The Royal Highland Fusiliers
The Lorne Scots (Peel, Dufferin and Halton Regiment)
Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry Highlanders
The Nova Scotia Highlanders
The Cameron Highlanders of Ottawa (Duke of Edinburgh's Own)
The Lanark and Renfrew Scottish Regiment
The Prince Edward Island Highlanders
The Argyll Light Infantry
The Essex Scottish Regiment
The Highland Light Infantry of Canada
The New Brunswick Scottish
The united brigade was a real unit , with amazing accomplishments , however , this movie is 80% BS ..LOL
The movie is good but Read the book, The Black Devils” for the real story.
That's Ricard Dawson AKA "The Family Fued"
If you do watch the movie REMEMBER that it is a dramatization 'based' on real events. But it is absolutely NOT a 'documentary' in ANY way. There were MANY 'liberties' taken in the screenplay. Entertaining, certainly. Accurate...NOT nearly.
Did younot recognize Canada.s Heavyweight Boxing ChampionGeorge Chuvalo in thed bar fight scene? Boo!
I went to the FSSF museum in Helena Montana last year where they trained. Special place dedicated to special men. I was named after my uncle who KIA at Anzio Beachead. Legends.
William Holden was a huge western star. Cliff Robertson (I think) played Wade McCluskey in Midway 1970
The bartender in the white t-shirt who punches one of the people is George Chuvalo , Canadian heavyweight boxer at the time, I think
No, he's Gene Fuller.
Yes, that seems right@@bluerock4456
Canadians will totally "F around" with the best, but it's a pretty quick switch when it's no longer time to "F around"
Doesn't make us exclusive, but it DOES make us Canadian 😜❤️
The Devil's Brigade is a fun movie ( one of my favorites); but read the book for how things really happened.
This always cracks me up. While a bit overdone, there is truth here. Gentlemen v ?. They (US and CAN troops found common ground. I am a Peacock. 8-) My family fought these wars. Americans were considered stupid interlopers with no idea of what was really happenning. Latecomers.
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There was a considerable amount of animosity amongst the Canadian and the American service personnel prior to the official formation of the first special service force, also known as the devil‘s brigade.
The personnel that you questioned about one with the glasses that was Sergeant O’Neill, and he was actually a member of the first special service force in the Canadian division. He was the hand combat instructor. I don’t know if Corporal Peacock, or any of the other names mentioned in the movie , or actual people other than the American commanding officer, the American second command and the Canadian commanding officer, major chromm.
Now going back to your previous video there is a very significant contribution to the Canadian military or the Canadian army, as well as influence from the Scottish Highland soldiers, majority of the soldiers that were a part of the first special service force were from the 48 Highlander of Canada as well as from the Vandos and black watch of Canada, there were other units that contributed personnel, including the Royal Winnipeg rifles, the gray and Simcoe foresters The Lake superior Scottish regiment, governor, general horse, guard, and members of the royal Canadian artillery. After the war, the first special service force was disbanded and set the foundation for the formation of not just the various special forces units within the United States military (i.e. army, rangers, Delta force, AF special forces, navy seals) as well as what started as Canadian forces special service force eventually changing into joint task force two.
The Americans could be pretty wild, b
The Americans could be pretty wild,but when the Canadians showed up, they figured they had better straighten up