I think Dennis Dodd was being nice to you to say "... well maybe the BIG12 could be in play for FSU ..." In reality NO, FSU is going BIG or SEC or they might as well stay in the ACC.
I wouldn't put much stock in anything Dennis Does has to say about this. The most important thing to listen to is what the people in Tallahassee are saying about this.
The people in Tallahassee are delusional fools who continually overplay their hand. The SEC doesn’t need them and they don’t have the AAU requirement to be in the Big Ten. Plus they will lose the lawsuit anyway.
That is because the Big 12 would NOT want FSU. Why would we want another whiny, holier than thou school . It would be like having tu back in the conference. No thanks!
Exactly. Florida State wants to leave the ACC because they make far less money than they would in the B1G or the SEC. How would anything be any different if they joined the Big 12?
@LivingInAnInverseRealitymy Bulldawgs did get screwed by no invite. But you have to manup , play the next game with a stiff upper lip when looking for a new home.
@@nathangibson2114 If you want eyes on the TV set then why would you get Virginia? They're part of the reason that the ACC has a weak TV deal. They're part of the reason that Florida St. wants to leave the ACC. Eyes on the TV set means getting football programs with national appeal like Texas and Oklahoma. Florida St. fits that mode. People in California will watch Florida St. They won't watch Virginia.
As a FSU alum I’d rather go to the B1G. I’d love to see Ohio State and Michigan in Tallahassee regularly and we could schedule non conference SEC matchups like we’ve been doing.
@@bearstown19show man! I honestly might try to go to every game. I’d rather lose 2-4 games some years and watch that schedule than play all these basketball schools in the same state.
@@keldur16 Good chance we still play those same schools in the state: UF, Miami. Those are really important games. The B1G would likely prefer FSU kept them too.
THE B10 HAS NEVER SHOWN AN OUNCE OF INTEREST IN FSU. IF THE B10 EVER WANTED TO GET INTO THE STATE OF FL, THEY WOULD TAKE MIAMI, A FAR BETTER FIT IN EVERY WAY,. THE SEC DOESN'T WANT THEM EITHER. FSU IS GOING TO DO ALL THIS TO END UP IN THE B12, WHERE THEY WILL BE COMPLAINING AGAIN B/C THEY WON'T GET THE REVENUE PAYOUT CLOSE TO THE SEC OR B10
@@grobble8954 I think your caps lock is stuck. Trust that FSU didn't start all of this to pay the ACC an exit fee to get basically the same money in the big-12. You are talking about a conference that just took Oregon. Academically mediocre Oregon which is a significantly smaller TV brand than FSU. That's before you consider Washington and UCLA, neither of which have the brand of even Oregon. Why anyone thinks Miami "is a much better fit in every way" is beyond comprehension. It is a mid sized private school sliding down the academic rankings and dropping down the TV ratings ladder slowly over the last 2 decades of irrelevance. There are much fewer upsides to Miami. I can only think of one, a decent market. As to fit: The Big-10 are mostly large public institutions, with two private schools, one of which is massive (USC) and the other (Northwestern) is academically elite and still bigger than Miami... oh, and wouldn't be invited today if they were on the outside looking in even though they are in a massive market they havn't done anything in recent memory in the sport that matters... just like Miami on both counts. Miami's best chance of getting in is if Notre Dame joined and said "and we want Miami". Or as a partner to FSU similar to USC/UCLA. Florida isn't quite as a big a state but at present growth rates it could be a good long term move.
Think it’s funny that “FSU has no value” They are #5 in viewership nationally. Not in the south, but on a whole. Higher than anyone in the Big 10 outside of Michigan. And, higher than anyone in the Sec outside of Alabama. The LSU vs FSU game being the highest rated game of the regular season. But hey, whatever slick….
THE B10 HAS NEVER SHOWN AN OUNCE OF INTEREST IN FSU. IF THE B10 EVER WANTED TO GET INTO THE STATE OF FL, THEY WOULD TAKE MIAMI, A FAR BETTER FIT IN EVERY WAY,. THE SEC DOESN'T WANT THEM EITHER. FSU IS GOING TO DO ALL THIS TO END UP IN THE B12, WHERE THEY WILL BE COMPLAINING AGAIN B/C THEY WON'T GET THE REVENUE PAYOUT CLOSE TO THE SEC OR B10
If FSU had so much value, the ACC deal wouldn't be garbage or they would go independent. If they had so much value they should have left whe MD left for just a 31.4M buyout. FSU didn't leave b/c nobody wanted them. B10 was trying to coax UNC or UVA, and bck ups were Miami & Gtech. FSU was not even in the picture and it remains that way. FSU is crying b/c they agreed to a bad deal b/c nobody wanted them. Their crying now is going to end up with them in the B12 b/c they are still not wanted.
Well said gobble and that's the truth. Best bet is go independent for two years and change their cockiness. I remember when Texass was making demands on the SEC a few years ago thinking they were so valuable. Then they calmed down and got an invite years later. South Carolina had to independent for 2 years when they left the ACC as well.
Grobble, You know all this how? Miami is a better fit? Because the have AAU? You do realize Miami is ranked #67 in academics? About 15 spots below FSU? Miami is ranked about 3rd in the state of Florida academically. Below two state universities? 😂 Their medical school is ranked below 2 state schools as well. So much for academics? 😂
Can't be 10 years... at that point the payout would be closer to 200M which they would pay today. The whole lawsuit is to get those fees down to as close as zero as possible
@reidawg72 the reason they don't pay it today is because as FSU said, it is about 575 Million today. If they can legally argue that there were some ACC bad faith decision/whatever and win... that might make the 575M closer to 300M or 100M. They would make 200M back from the BIG or SEC in 3 years... so that amount they would pay immediately and jet right now. Hence the whole reason for the lawsuit
FSU talks a big game but they aren't even a top 10 money program. There's only one program that's dumb enough and has enough money to pay its way out of a $500+ million exit fee and that's Texas A&M. There aren't many that could stomach $200 million either.
@@jesses5463 So here's a stat for you... FSU is "a top 10 money program" if they join the Big-10 or SEC at a full share. Huh... yep. If they had the TV money that Northwestern gets in 2024, they are a top 10 money program. That's a pretty big game... There are many programs that have the money to pay a 500 million exit fee, as it would obviously be structured. Not that anyone expects FSU to pay that much that has any inkling how these things work. I'd agree it wouldn't be smart to do so though. The ACC would agree to that payout today most likely. If FSU was to go ahead and pay it, they'd let FSU go.
There's no sure thing around AAU status. The group they just invited, except Miami, is lower ranked academically than FSU, does less research than FSU, or both (and Miami is lower ranked academically than FSU now but was tied when they were invited). They spend up to 10 years between extending invites or otherwise reviewing membership quite frequently. Fsu needs an advocate pushing for the state to buy them the municipal hospital and allowing them to transform it into a meaningful teaching hospital, if never on the level of Shands.
I’m starting to wonder if academics will even play a role. It’s all about tv deals and big money now. FSU, Miami and Clemson are middle of the road academically. North Carolina and Virginia are certainly very good.
@@benjaminhawkes6693FSU's medical school barely maintained accreditation. There's a lot of catch up work there to improve their standing to just maintain/augment the Med School much less grow on the research side. Compare that to USF (recent AAU invite) and their relationship with Tampa General/Moffit/VA and the decades of growth on the research side.
I’m not sure. Not sure it really means much . Miami has it and they aren’t even close to an academic powerhouse. They have professors quitting right and left. Cut salaries of their employees when the hired Mario. Plus, they took 80 million dollars out of a not for profit healthcare system to fund their football program. Kind of takes the shine off the”AAU” status.
This will be settled fast. FSU desperately wants to depose all key leaders at ESPN and the ACC as well as use discovery to get every confidential communication between ESPN and ACC or internally about the its teams. This would be catastrophic to ESPN and a death sentence to the ACC.
Now that a suit has been filed by the ACC even deciding venue may take years let alone getting to a trial, if fact since now two states are now involved this whole issue may move to Federal court, other than a negoatied settlement this case has not even got to deposotion status yet and is only in motion state, heck I have not even heard ACC's number yet. You are correct that only a settlement will be timely, otherwise expect many years before either party is free.
Dodd is a 🤡 FSU has a history of championships and being a contender, all happening in an era more recent than quite a few BIG10 and SEC schools. Even if just for the hate so many have towards FSU they always have a lot of viewers for their matchups. Put them in a conference with even more big name schools and those numbers go even higher. Without ego or emotion I feel like there is plenty benefit that either of the top2 conferences would want FSU.
When it comes to "eyes on the TV" FSU has more than "most " of the B1G, not all but most, and when a game that matches FSU and another top-tier Big1G team, be assured that will be the most watched ($$$$$) game of said weekend of all the games.
Please stop 'pandering' to the Big 10 (I am an Ohio repping OSU) when 1) we make $60 million per full member school without you, 2) you're in the South and 3) Jeremiah Smith is a Floridian, knows that FSU is in Florida and still join Ohio State. You're being in the South yet vying for Big Ten membership means that you know you're soft and want to take the easy route.
@@CarlaJenkinsTV No carla, Jeremiah Smith is a Floridian, and knows that FSU is in Florida and is part of the ACC, Thats the issue >>> ACC not FSU . Vying for Big Ten membership means that FSU will soon be a member of the Big1,,, ohh and lastly, see below FSU 3-0 against OSU
@@CarlaJenkinsTV You can't deny TV runs this, and FSU would be the 3rd biggest draw in the BIG, Yes BIG wants FSU, but probably isn't ready for it right now.
Do you think they moved forward with the lawsuit without knowing they had a landing spot? I'm sure there is a golf course deal in place and there is no way FSU stays in the ACC until 2030. 2025 at the latest.
This legal battle will last more than three years due to conflicts of interest with the judge being an FSU graduate and the likelihood of taking these lawsuits to the United States Supreme Court. I think the ACC is not going to just let this lawsuit go without a major fight. In the meantime, the destruction of the GOR will set a precedent for all of the other conferences regarding buying out the GOR through private equities. This is a dangerous move when it comes to any conference with teams that are not satisfied with their GOR including the SEC and the B1G.
The SEC will add whatever the SEC wants. To date, the only schools to supposedly voice displeasure has been Florida and South Carolina. I think we witnessed a precedent when the SEC added Texas behind A&M's back after promising that they would be the only school in Texas to be in the SEC. If the SEC can have two schools in Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Texas, it can have two schools in Florida and South Carolina too.
@@porterosbournejr.5083 doesn’t make a difference. If being a “charter member” had any real weight, Georgia Tech and Tulane would be a shoe in to come back, right, “Bubba?” 🙄
Probably the reason why the ACC added SMU, Stanford and Cal was to increase the voting membership on the stay/maintain ACC side of the ledger. I can see a day where a vote is held to drop the exit fee and a simple majority is all that is needed. It will be the strong vs the weak, and SMU, Stanford and Cal fall squarely on the weak side.
@@jonm4501 Why would Pitt, Boston College, Duke, Wake Forest, N.C. St., Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech and even Virginia want to drop the exit fees for schools like Florida St., Clemson and North Carolina to leave? It's not like the above schools are going to get a better deal outside of the ACC.
@@chuckwest7045 Simple majority can vote the exit fees lower or down to 0. Lets say FSU, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia, NC State, GA Tech, & Notre Dame want out. Not saying they do today, but its possible down the road.
The relationship between the ACC and Florida State is all but over. The only reason FSU would go to the Big 12 is if the B1G and SEC declines an offer. FSU sees themselves as a big enough brand to bring in the revenue the B1G and SEC pay out. Alone, FSU would not increase a mediocre Big 12 conference revenue enough to be on par with the top 2. The Big 12 is the ugly girl on the dance floor that you settle for because your buddies already hooked up with the hot girls and you don't want to be alone.
@@DeRochette courts will extend the same out out provision in the TV contact given to ESPN to FSU to opt out of the GOR since there is no guaranteed TV revenue beyond 2027 to justify the school relinquishing their GOR beyond 2027.
@@garyscott4847 I don't think you understand, all remaining ACC members must be made "whole" for the thirteen remaining years... including media members. Look at the supreme Court ruling for the PAC 12 without a GOA...there is your answer
FSU to B1G - a match made in college football heaven. Will make for better rivalry football and bring back the Bowden days when we used to be independent and play teams like Michigan, Ohio St, Nebraska, Penn State. Gooooo NOLES!
Whoever wants to pay full frieght can have Florida State. For the SEC it is a defensive move though, so I doubt they are as motivated. Few FSU people think they can get out before the 2025 season (as in, getting out after it). I think the ACC will settle and part of that settlement will be keeping FSU until 2027 (or longer if FSU will tolerate that).
As an SEC fan, I absolutely do not want FSU. I would much rather have North Carolina. We do not need the drama of Texas, without the benefits they bring,
You'd hate to have a team that's better than at least 90% of your conference and won't stop letting the world know just how overrated your conference is. Two mediocre Big 12 schools came in and ran roughshod over your sorry conference.
Regardless of how long it takes, it's better to go ahead and get the ball rolling NOW. Otherwise, it will be another 10 years. I sure hope Clemson takes note.
An article said Clemson and multiple ACC schools are waiting for FSU to get the ball rolling and test the waters first. But if fsu is successful schools like Clemson, UNC, and Virginia are pretty much gone.
No, FSU would not do this to end up in the B12. Definitely a bidding war between the P2 to get FSU. They are much more valuable to the B10, but the SEC would want to make a defensive move.
I see what he's saying. Or at least why he's saying it. If the ACC wants to fight, it's hard to believe this will go quickly. But even he said he figures by 2030. Which it'll be long before that. But as everyone expects. There is really no way FSU and more than likely several other schools are in the ACC too much longer. It's already 24. This will be hashed out not too long from now.
I don't know that it would necessarily happen, but Florida State to the Big 12 is not that far fetched. People think in terms of what the Big 12 is worth now and why that wouldn't make sense, but it would be advantages for a Florida State and/or Clemson to consider the Big 12 versus staying in the ACC, if those are their only options. Notre Dame is the only remaining football brand that can add value to the Big Ten or SEC. Both of those conferences are so brand heavy that anyone else, including a Florida State would at best be just a lateral move. I think the real bidding war between the SEC and Big Ten would more likely be for Virginia and North Carolina. Florida State does not make the grade for the Big Ten, so I can see it being a tough if not impossible battle to get enough Big Ten members to be on board with a Florida State when they could just as easily get into the Florida market with an AAU Miami. We already know that there are some (plural) SEC members that are opposed Florida State. I think Florida State is a more likely fit for the SEC, but can they get enough votes. AAU status is still a big deal to the Big Ten. Don't give me the "but Nebraska" line. They were AAU when they were added. If the Big Ten really wants to be in the Florida market, they would likely look more towards Miami which does have AAU status. Florida State might be the first out the door, but their only near term landing spot may very well be the Big 12. Now if the Big Ten snaps up Virginia and North Caroline, that might force the SEC to reconsider it's position, but they could as easily look towards NC State and Virginia Tech, in order to try to compete for the Virginia and North Carolina markets. None of this matters too much though. When it's all said and done, as far as Football goes, there will not be a Big Ten, SEC, ACC, or Big 12. At least, not as we know them. The Pac 12 has already been eliminated. The Big 12 and ACC are just hanging on for dear life and all signs point towards the ACC being the next to get eliminated. It will be a CFP league without conferences or NCAA oversight. Both ESPN and Fox have let everyone know, that is where things are headed.
Clearly the B1G wants FSU very much. Then it is up to the SEC to react defensively. The key to the litigation is whether the FSU allegations about the GOR ending in 2027, subject to a unilateral option by ESPN to extend. If that was done improperly by the ACC president, then FSU should only be stuck in the ACC until 2027. That would mean that there would only be a one or two year buyout, since FSU will almost certainly be in the ACC until at least 2025, no matter what happens. Of course, we have no way of knowing if the FSU allegation is true. Do to recent events, lots of FSU fans are really unhappy with ESPN, which helps the B1G position. Another thing that I think that the B1G could do is finance a huge chunk of any FSU payment to the ACC. The B1G could loan FSU a large sum to be paid back over ten years or so, as the B1G did with U Maryland and Rutgers.
Real FSU fans have hated ESPN for at least a decade. Not only did they fill every minute of sports coverage with Tebow's name for YEARS, they kept tearing down Winston and FSU for over a year, even having the audacity bringing up the allegations against Winston TO WINSTON in an interview after a NCG win. During the same postgame, they had the nerve to say FSU was "built like an SEC team." Maryland didn't have an exit fee, at least as far as the ACC is concerned (TV contract may have had a penalty). Their bolting is actually why the ACC decided to go wacko with a ridiculous exit fee. Due to*
Florida is tempting, but I don't think any of the available schools are a good fit in the B1G. NC and VA seem to be better fits even if those states aren't as appealing. Personally in the last expansion I would've taken a few more Pac 12 schools to really solidify the "North and West" conference and then SEC can pick up some and become the "South and East" conference. Of all the schools not in the B1G-SEC conferences ND is the only must-have.
I don't think Florida St is a good fit for Big XII. They'd secretly try getting out of Big XII to head to SeC or Big 10 like oklahoma & Texas for money a few years later. I think Oregon St & Washington St are much better fits for the Big XII.
I hate words, like Might, Maybe, Could, Possibly and Perhaps. It is essentially guessing. No one except ESPN knows if they are going to opt in after 2027, and although technically the ACC holds FSU TV rights until 2037, good luck convincing a Judge to enforce that if ESPN does not opt in by February 2025 ( if this dispute goes that far).
@@marcjohnson8488 don't fool yourself. Miami hasn't been good in over 20 years but they still move the needle. When they start winning just a little bit they are Media gold. ...the Big10 is the best option
ESPN is the linchpin of CFB. The best thing for the sport would be ESPN insolvency that would prevent the opt-in. Without ESPN in the picture, the contracts become null and void rather quickly.
Do you not realize that FSU AD revenue is top15? SEC or Big10 both consider us "worth that add." It will take 2 years max, the settlement will take half as long. Then a year to decide on a conference. I can assure you FSU will not end up in the Big12.
Could it be possible that NC,NCSU, Virginia, V.Tech, FSU, Clemson, Pitt, GT consider joining the Big12. When the next Big12 contract is up the teams that get a invite to the SEC or Big10 can leave with a minimal buyouts.
Big 12 panicked when they added cincy, houston, ucf and byu. Tv networks are shunning them now. If they had been patient could have made a play for the acc and added fsu, clemson, miami, unc, uva, cal and stanford and make an arrangement with ND to play 5 conference games. This would make the big 12 part if a big3 and command alot of money from networks
kind of a buffoonish remark for dodd to say "FSU isn't worth the pro rata that the big ten and sec are paying". really? more than half of the big ten and sec are worth more than FSU? no. not even close. that's just ridiculous and makes me question every opinion he spouts thereafter
ACC conference could be a competitive conference if they do things right, but unfortunately, they're not looking very good for now. They have very attractive pieces for other conference's. Stanford, California, and SMU, Washington State, and Oregon State into the Big Twelve conference. Florida State might be in the Big Ten Conference instead of the SEC conference and Miami and Virginia, Duke in the Big Twelve conference. North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Clemson, and North Carolina State in the SEC. Wake Forest could be incorporated into the Big Twelve Conference or AAC conference. College football is looking really dark for now.
I’d have no problem with FSU joining the B1G but they don’t deserve full shares especially when there are better programs like Oregon and Washington who aren’t
Are they bidding to not take them? SEC: we'll give $10 million to go to the B1G B1G: we'll give you $20 million to go to the SEC SEC: shit, OK, we'll give you 25 million to go to the B1G... 🙂
SEC could be crazy next year. 8 teams are talented enough to compete for a CFB appearance (especially now that it has 12 teams). Want me to list the 8? Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Ole Miss, Missouri, LSU, Oklahoma, and Tennessee.
Sounds like the same shit SEC fans say every year. Funny, ACC went 6-4 against the SEC this year. I could almost make the same argument for the ACC, especially with 12 teams. Not to mention youre counting oklahoma and texas who havent even arrived a season yet. Missouri likely wont go on another run. LSU apparently is a second rate SEC team since they lose to FSU, as you people like to say, i think you forgot that.
@@bradenm3 LOL, FSU showed up... oh wait they didn't. ACC was bad this year. Most their teams lost in bowl games. ACC's 6 wins were there best team (FSU) beating SEC #5 team (LSU) and an SEC tam that didn't even make a bowl game (UF); Wake beating Vandy, Clemson and UNC beating a 5-7 South Carolina team, and Miami beating a Texas A&M team that fired their coach. Congrats, you beat mediocre teams. Only two of those wins were against bowl eligible teams in the top half of the SEC. Meanwhile UK beat your #2 team (Louisville) and Georgia spanked your #1 team (FSU).
@@bradenm3 The games between the ACC and the SEC in 2023 were mostly ACC contenders playing the middle to lower level SEC teams. The SEC's 8th best team (Kentucky) beat the ACC's 2nd best team (Louisville). That tells me all I need to know about the ACC.
I'll shorten this for the casual scanner: This is like 2 alpha Chad guys competing for the same pretty girl, but the games will go on for too long; she will age out, and neither will want her, when she's finally ready to settle down. Without the TV money of the SEC and B1G for a decade, FSU will not be able to compete at their level, by the time the GOR expires. The metaphorical hot girl will then have to settle for a beta nice guy type. FSU will eventually join the Big12 as a result.
Only to find the Big12 guy has decided they don't want an aged "pretty girl" when there are a lot of "OK girls" out there who won't be a whiner and want to be with them.
You're just so wrong thinking FSU won't have appeal and thinking FSU is going to be stuck in the ACC until 2036. We've been winning championships for decades, long before SEC pride was a thing. Our viewership is amazing. Our state is the best for recruiting. Conservatively, we're just better than 90% of CFB programs and that's in a basketball conference with a low payout.
The SEC is not gonna be in a bid war for Florida State… We’re not interested… We need basketball schools , we’re solid on football schools. (UNC-Duke-NC State- Virginia.. the Big Ten can have FSU, Clemson Miami, Virginia Tech, and Georgia Tech, etc.
@@chuckwest7045 at this point, if you add it’s about “something that you don’t have” Basketball would round the conference out. With the addition of those ACC schools. The SEC would be better all around than any Conference out there. Football- Baseball- Basketball.. All 3 Sports in our conference makes money.
The big ten don’t need to bid for FSU lmao 🤣 they either join or not the big will take Miami and get in Florida regardless lol 😂 the big ten holds all leverage
Bidding war for Fl market would favor Miami with the largest TV market in the state and bidding war with Big 10 between FSU and Miami could be for the team in Florida that will take the least from the conference not the most.
I thought the point of your article was speaking to a regional interest to make the Big 10 a more valuable asset to TV and would start a bidding war with the SEC that has 11 teams within 150 miles of FSU and already has a FL team. If so Miami wins for value added to a TV network its not even close compared to regional brodcast value. to a TV network. FSU is not even in the top 200 TV markets while Miami is in the 11th largest TV market in US and Miami has the south Fl market to itself FSU is 500 miles from S. Fl and has no other major school even close so when networks are doing regional brodcasts to increase their ad revenue FSU is a distant second if you want to have the third largest state included in your regional appeal.@@marcjohnson8488
Private schools other than ND and maybe USC don't have the fanbase to draw big viewership numbers. Miami hasn't been relevant nationally in quite awhile.
Florida st is not going to the big 12! Who is this guy? He is totally wrong, Florida st will be playing in the big 10 in 2025. Florida state will definitely not be paying $572 million to leave. If they do pay it'll probably be a 3rd of that. Sorry to burst your bubble but Dennis doesn't know what he's talking about. Big 10 2025 .
I live in Big 10 country (Ohio). Believe me there is no bidding war for FSU. Jeremiah Smith is the 2024 #1 overall high school pick. He knows that FSU is in Florida and still picks Ohio State. Same with Hall of Famer Cris Carter. The Big Ten in general and OSU in particular do not need to add FSU to get Floridians. I know that you're in Big 12 country but don't let these FSU lie to you like that.
I don’t think it’s about getting kids out of Florida. It’s about breaking into the southeast with tv viewership. The Big 10 schools have been getting players out of Florida for many years.
@@Doc_Boots Bowl games that aren't playoffs are ravaged by the opt-outs and portal players. My school Northwestern had a great win vs. Utah, but in reality non-playoff bowls should be eliminated.
Hell NO! We don’t need another whiny, holier than thou school back in the Big12! That would be like having tu back in the conference. No thanks! We don’t need that crap again.
The Big 12 pays no more than the ACC and I don't think FSU would go there. SEC doesn't want FSU except to keep the Big 10 out of Florida. This is buyers remorse on the part of FSU, when the ACC/ESPN deal was put together it was great for the conference, okay go forward many years and there are better deals around. FSU isn't the prettiest girl at the dance anymore, SEC has Florida so they don't need more teams from that state. The BIG 10 would like to gain a foothold in Florida but I'm not sure it makes sense to have only 1 team from the south. I'm guessing that UNC and UVA are bigger targets than is FSU.
Come again how long did that Oklahoma and Texas departure take cause what they said and what actually happened or two different stories. the truth or matter is you want it to take 10 years and you want FSU to go to the big 12 because you want to keep that giant asleep let’s be truthful. You said that I could respect that.
OU and Texas got out early for 2 reasons, the GOR was ending after next season, not 2036 like the ACC, and scheduling was a problem because of the return games. Comparing OU and Texas with Florida State is apples and oranges.
@@SouthernSooner-wn3el my point is guys regurgitate the same shit. The GOR even what was the talking point it first was never gonna happen, then length of time, then when they wanted to leave earlier it was they probably will stay to okay they leaving. When money talks bullshit walks. FSU is a BIG ASS brand like it or not, so they won’t be stick around for long in the ACC
I think Dennis Dodd was being nice to you to say "... well maybe the BIG12 could be in play for FSU ..." In reality NO, FSU is going BIG or SEC or they might as well stay in the ACC.
Exactly, what's the point in FSU leaving the ACC and paying them $250+ million to make a couple extra million a year in the Big 12?
Is the same John Kurtz that said that FSU was just crying over their candy bar? That guy?
The never ending realignment saga continues… thanks for the update John! Go Pokes!
I think FSU will goto B1G not SEC
I wouldn't put much stock in anything Dennis Does has to say about this. The most important thing to listen to is what the people in Tallahassee are saying about this.
The people in Tallahassee are delusional fools who continually overplay their hand. The SEC doesn’t need them and they don’t have the AAU requirement to be in the Big Ten. Plus they will lose the lawsuit anyway.
But Tallahassee has been proven to be full of morons that don't know what they are talking about
FSU will not join the big 12. Come on. Use common sense
Too good for real competition?
Dennis Dodd doesn’t posses any
That is because the Big 12 would NOT want FSU. Why would we want another whiny, holier than thou school . It would be like having tu back in the conference. No thanks!
Exactly. Florida State wants to leave the ACC because they make far less money than they would in the B1G or the SEC. How would anything be any different if they joined the Big 12?
@LivingInAnInverseRealitymy Bulldawgs did get screwed by no invite. But you have to manup , play the next game with a stiff upper lip when looking for a new home.
The SEC doesn't want FSU. They want in Virginia and North Carolina.
Not very bright are you! This is not a question. FYI
Yes we already in Florida we want to get in North Carolina and Virginia.
The SEC will never add Virginia. That's a basketball school.
@@chuckwest7045 we already have the best conference. We want populated states for dedicated eyes on the TV.
@@nathangibson2114 If you want eyes on the TV set then why would you get Virginia? They're part of the reason that the ACC has a weak TV deal. They're part of the reason that Florida St. wants to leave the ACC.
Eyes on the TV set means getting football programs with national appeal like Texas and Oklahoma. Florida St. fits that mode. People in California will watch Florida St. They won't watch Virginia.
As a FSU alum I’d rather go to the B1G. I’d love to see Ohio State and Michigan in Tallahassee regularly and we could schedule non conference SEC matchups like we’ve been doing.
Don't forget usc Nebraska Oregon Washington and Penn state
@@bearstown19show man! I honestly might try to go to every game. I’d rather lose 2-4 games some years and watch that schedule than play all these basketball schools in the same state.
@@keldur16 Good chance we still play those same schools in the state: UF, Miami. Those are really important games. The B1G would likely prefer FSU kept them too.
THE B10 HAS NEVER SHOWN AN OUNCE OF INTEREST IN FSU. IF THE B10 EVER WANTED TO GET INTO THE STATE OF FL, THEY WOULD TAKE MIAMI, A FAR BETTER FIT IN EVERY WAY,. THE SEC DOESN'T WANT THEM EITHER. FSU IS GOING TO DO ALL THIS TO END UP IN THE B12, WHERE THEY WILL BE COMPLAINING AGAIN B/C THEY WON'T GET THE REVENUE PAYOUT CLOSE TO THE SEC OR B10
@@grobble8954 I think your caps lock is stuck. Trust that FSU didn't start all of this to pay the ACC an exit fee to get basically the same money in the big-12. You are talking about a conference that just took Oregon. Academically mediocre Oregon which is a significantly smaller TV brand than FSU. That's before you consider Washington and UCLA, neither of which have the brand of even Oregon.
Why anyone thinks Miami "is a much better fit in every way" is beyond comprehension. It is a mid sized private school sliding down the academic rankings and dropping down the TV ratings ladder slowly over the last 2 decades of irrelevance. There are much fewer upsides to Miami. I can only think of one, a decent market.
As to fit: The Big-10 are mostly large public institutions, with two private schools, one of which is massive (USC) and the other (Northwestern) is academically elite and still bigger than Miami... oh, and wouldn't be invited today if they were on the outside looking in even though they are in a massive market they havn't done anything in recent memory in the sport that matters... just like Miami on both counts.
Miami's best chance of getting in is if Notre Dame joined and said "and we want Miami". Or as a partner to FSU similar to USC/UCLA. Florida isn't quite as a big a state but at present growth rates it could be a good long term move.
Think it’s funny that “FSU has no value”
They are #5 in viewership nationally. Not in the south, but on a whole. Higher than anyone in the Big 10 outside of Michigan. And, higher than anyone in the Sec outside of Alabama. The LSU vs FSU game being the highest rated game of the regular season. But hey, whatever slick….
THE B10 HAS NEVER SHOWN AN OUNCE OF INTEREST IN FSU. IF THE B10 EVER WANTED TO GET INTO THE STATE OF FL, THEY WOULD TAKE MIAMI, A FAR BETTER FIT IN EVERY WAY,. THE SEC DOESN'T WANT THEM EITHER. FSU IS GOING TO DO ALL THIS TO END UP IN THE B12, WHERE THEY WILL BE COMPLAINING AGAIN B/C THEY WON'T GET THE REVENUE PAYOUT CLOSE TO THE SEC OR B10
If FSU had so much value, the ACC deal wouldn't be garbage or they would go independent. If they had so much value they should have left whe MD left for just a 31.4M buyout. FSU didn't leave b/c nobody wanted them. B10 was trying to coax UNC or UVA, and bck ups were Miami & Gtech. FSU was not even in the picture and it remains that way. FSU is crying b/c they agreed to a bad deal b/c nobody wanted them. Their crying now is going to end up with them in the B12 b/c they are still not wanted.
@@grobble8954 Dude, take a Xanax. I do not know what you said because of all the yelling. And I am sure you are an expert.
Well said gobble and that's the truth. Best bet is go independent for two years and change their cockiness. I remember when Texass was making demands on the SEC a few years ago thinking they were so valuable. Then they calmed down and got an invite years later. South Carolina had to independent for 2 years when they left the ACC as well.
Grobble,
You know all this how? Miami is a better fit? Because the have AAU? You do realize Miami is ranked #67 in academics? About 15 spots below FSU? Miami is ranked about 3rd in the state of Florida academically. Below two state universities? 😂 Their medical school is ranked below 2 state schools as well. So much for academics? 😂
Can't be 10 years... at that point the payout would be closer to 200M which they would pay today.
The whole lawsuit is to get those fees down to as close as zero as possible
Why does it matter if they'd pay it today?
@@Tyler_Kent Well, it only matters if the ACC (and ESPN as an interested party) want to settle... and they very well may want to settle.
@reidawg72 the reason they don't pay it today is because as FSU said, it is about 575 Million today. If they can legally argue that there were some ACC bad faith decision/whatever and win... that might make the 575M closer to 300M or 100M.
They would make 200M back from the BIG or SEC in 3 years... so that amount they would pay immediately and jet right now.
Hence the whole reason for the lawsuit
FSU talks a big game but they aren't even a top 10 money program. There's only one program that's dumb enough and has enough money to pay its way out of a $500+ million exit fee and that's Texas A&M. There aren't many that could stomach $200 million either.
@@jesses5463 So here's a stat for you... FSU is "a top 10 money program" if they join the Big-10 or SEC at a full share. Huh... yep. If they had the TV money that Northwestern gets in 2024, they are a top 10 money program. That's a pretty big game...
There are many programs that have the money to pay a 500 million exit fee, as it would obviously be structured. Not that anyone expects FSU to pay that much that has any inkling how these things work.
I'd agree it wouldn't be smart to do so though. The ACC would agree to that payout today most likely. If FSU was to go ahead and pay it, they'd let FSU go.
FSU should be an AAU member by then, so the wait could wind up being beneficial in the long run for their goal of being in the Big Ten.
There's no sure thing around AAU status. The group they just invited, except Miami, is lower ranked academically than FSU, does less research than FSU, or both (and Miami is lower ranked academically than FSU now but was tied when they were invited). They spend up to 10 years between extending invites or otherwise reviewing membership quite frequently. Fsu needs an advocate pushing for the state to buy them the municipal hospital and allowing them to transform it into a meaningful teaching hospital, if never on the level of Shands.
I’m starting to wonder if academics will even play a role. It’s all about tv deals and big money now. FSU, Miami and Clemson are middle of the road academically. North Carolina and Virginia are certainly very good.
Is FSU trying to gain AAU status?
@@benjaminhawkes6693FSU's medical school barely maintained accreditation. There's a lot of catch up work there to improve their standing to just maintain/augment the Med School much less grow on the research side. Compare that to USF (recent AAU invite) and their relationship with Tampa General/Moffit/VA and the decades of growth on the research side.
I’m not sure. Not sure it really means much . Miami has it and they aren’t even close to an academic powerhouse. They have professors quitting right and left. Cut salaries of their employees when the hired Mario. Plus, they took 80 million dollars out of a not for profit healthcare system to fund their football program. Kind of takes the shine off the”AAU” status.
This will be settled fast. FSU desperately wants to depose all key leaders at ESPN and the ACC as well as use discovery to get every confidential communication between ESPN and ACC or internally about the its teams. This would be catastrophic to ESPN and a death sentence to the ACC.
Now that a suit has been filed by the ACC even deciding venue may take years let alone getting to a trial, if fact since now two states are now involved this whole issue may move to Federal court, other than a negoatied settlement this case has not even got to deposotion status yet and is only in motion state, heck I have not even heard ACC's number yet. You are correct that only a settlement will be timely, otherwise expect many years before either party is free.
Florida state will not be in the acc in 2026 season..... they will be in the acc in 2024-2025.. most likely in the big10
Love your content and will miss your posts. I am an OU fan and will be following SEC (yuck) podcasts going forward. Wish you all the success.
I'm an SEC guy and still follow this guy because he is that good.
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FSU has a history of championships and being a contender, all happening in an era more recent than quite a few BIG10 and SEC schools. Even if just for the hate so many have towards FSU they always have a lot of viewers for their matchups. Put them in a conference with even more big name schools and those numbers go even higher.
Without ego or emotion I feel like there is plenty benefit that either of the top2 conferences would want FSU.
Always well prepared, thanks. 👍
When it comes to "eyes on the TV" FSU has more than "most " of the B1G, not all but most, and when a game that matches FSU and another top-tier Big1G team, be assured that will be the most watched ($$$$$) game of said weekend of all the games.
Please stop 'pandering' to the Big 10 (I am an Ohio repping OSU) when 1) we make $60 million per full member school without you, 2) you're in the South and 3) Jeremiah Smith is a Floridian, knows that FSU is in Florida and still join Ohio State. You're being in the South yet vying for Big Ten membership means that you know you're soft and want to take the easy route.
@@CarlaJenkinsTV No carla, Jeremiah Smith is a Floridian, and knows that FSU is in Florida and is part of the ACC, Thats the issue >>> ACC not FSU . Vying for Big Ten membership means that FSU will soon be a member of the Big1,,, ohh and lastly, see below
FSU 3-0 against OSU
@@CarlaJenkinsTV You can't deny TV runs this, and FSU would be the 3rd biggest draw in the BIG, Yes BIG wants FSU, but probably isn't ready for it right now.
Why would Fsu sue the Acc to go to the Big 12 make it make sense I’m sick of these personal agendas like the people watching an reading are idiots
100%
Couldn't agree more. BIG12 is looking/hoping/praying for a hail mary (FSU) to replace Texas/Oklahoma.
Do you think they moved forward with the lawsuit without knowing they had a landing spot? I'm sure there is a golf course deal in place and there is no way FSU stays in the ACC until 2030. 2025 at the latest.
This legal battle will last more than three years due to conflicts of interest with the judge being an FSU graduate and the likelihood of taking these lawsuits to the United States Supreme Court. I think the ACC is not going to just let this lawsuit go without a major fight. In the meantime, the destruction of the GOR will set a precedent for all of the other conferences regarding buying out the GOR through private equities. This is a dangerous move when it comes to any conference with teams that are not satisfied with their GOR including the SEC and the B1G.
The jurisdiction isn’t even settled yet, much less a judge assigned. Do your homework
No way the SEC wants FSU. A handful of charter members - UF, UGA and Auburn would never let it happen.
The SEC will add whatever the SEC wants. To date, the only schools to supposedly voice displeasure has been Florida and South Carolina.
I think we witnessed a precedent when the SEC added Texas behind A&M's back after promising that they would be the only school in Texas to be in the SEC. If the SEC can have two schools in Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Texas, it can have two schools in Florida and South Carolina too.
@@trclark7689 Texas A&M ain’t a charter member bubba.
@@porterosbournejr.5083 doesn’t make a difference. If being a “charter member” had any real weight, Georgia Tech and Tulane would be a shoe in to come back, right, “Bubba?” 🙄
The accelerator will be Clemson, UNC and/or UVA filing suit vs ACC so that the league is fighting on multiple fronts.
Probably the reason why the ACC added SMU, Stanford and Cal was to increase the voting membership on the stay/maintain ACC side of the ledger. I can see a day where a vote is held to drop the exit fee and a simple majority is all that is needed. It will be the strong vs the weak, and SMU, Stanford and Cal fall squarely on the weak side.
@@jonm4501 Why would Pitt, Boston College, Duke, Wake Forest, N.C. St., Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech and even Virginia want to drop the exit fees for schools like Florida St., Clemson and North Carolina to leave? It's not like the above schools are going to get a better deal outside of the ACC.
@@chuckwest7045 Simple majority can vote the exit fees lower or down to 0. Lets say FSU, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia, NC State, GA Tech, & Notre Dame want out. Not saying they do today, but its possible down the road.
Great content as always
The relationship between the ACC and Florida State is all but over. The only reason FSU would go to the Big 12 is if the B1G and SEC declines an offer. FSU sees themselves as a big enough brand to bring in the revenue the B1G and SEC pay out. Alone, FSU would not increase a mediocre Big 12 conference revenue enough to be on par with the top 2. The Big 12 is the ugly girl on the dance floor that you settle for because your buddies already hooked up with the hot girls and you don't want to be alone.
SEC does not want fsu, period. North Carolina and Virginia yes! BIG DIFFERENCE. High academics, new state territories, better all around respect.
They will be out by 2027 at the latest.
It could happen...still would be close to 400 million buyout
How?
@@DeRochette Who will abuse them more Georgia or the ACC lawyers???
@@DeRochette courts will extend the same out out provision in the TV contact given to ESPN to FSU to opt out of the GOR since there is no guaranteed TV revenue beyond 2027 to justify the school relinquishing their GOR beyond 2027.
@@garyscott4847 I don't think you understand, all remaining ACC members must be made "whole" for the thirteen remaining years... including media members. Look at the supreme Court ruling for the PAC 12 without a GOA...there is your answer
FSU to B1G - a match made in college football heaven. Will make for better rivalry football and bring back the Bowden days when we used to be independent and play teams like Michigan, Ohio St, Nebraska, Penn State. Gooooo NOLES!
Whoever wants to pay full frieght can have Florida State. For the SEC it is a defensive move though, so I doubt they are as motivated. Few FSU people think they can get out before the 2025 season (as in, getting out after it). I think the ACC will settle and part of that settlement will be keeping FSU until 2027 (or longer if FSU will tolerate that).
No way the ACC is shiteing themselves because their whole case is bs.. so is the GoR doc
As an SEC fan, I absolutely do not want FSU. I would much rather have North Carolina. We do not need the drama of Texas, without the benefits they bring,
You'd hate to have a team that's better than at least 90% of your conference and won't stop letting the world know just how overrated your conference is. Two mediocre Big 12 schools came in and ran roughshod over your sorry conference.
Regardless of how long it takes, it's better to go ahead and get the ball rolling NOW. Otherwise, it will be another 10 years. I sure hope Clemson takes note.
An article said Clemson and multiple ACC schools are waiting for FSU to get the ball rolling and test the waters first. But if fsu is successful schools like Clemson, UNC, and Virginia are pretty much gone.
Clemson is, that's why they stop complaining about their conference.
No, FSU would not do this to end up in the B12. Definitely a bidding war between the P2 to get FSU. They are much more valuable to the B10, but the SEC would want to make a defensive move.
I see what he's saying. Or at least why he's saying it. If the ACC wants to fight, it's hard to believe this will go quickly. But even he said he figures by 2030. Which it'll be long before that. But as everyone expects. There is really no way FSU and more than likely several other schools are in the ACC too much longer. It's already 24. This will be hashed out not too long from now.
They bring nothing to the SEC. I live in central Florida for 7 years and met 2 FSU fans during that entire time.
That’s crazy. I’m from Orlando and I know more fsu fans from just Orlando than I know ucf fans located anywhere
Fsu is not going to the Big 12 or Sec.
It's not taking 10 years.....ridiculous. Might as well talked to random guy on the street.
I would like to see Florida State in the big 12
We would not.
I wish we had 60 team power 5 conference with a commissioner. Only in college football.
If FSU goes to the Big 12, I don't see them staying long.
They can't and won't. They would lose too much money with the buyout. Big12 contract isn't that much better than the ACC's contract.
I don't know that it would necessarily happen, but Florida State to the Big 12 is not that far fetched. People think in terms of what the Big 12 is worth now and why that wouldn't make sense, but it would be advantages for a Florida State and/or Clemson to consider the Big 12 versus staying in the ACC, if those are their only options.
Notre Dame is the only remaining football brand that can add value to the Big Ten or SEC. Both of those conferences are so brand heavy that anyone else, including a Florida State would at best be just a lateral move.
I think the real bidding war between the SEC and Big Ten would more likely be for Virginia and North Carolina. Florida State does not make the grade for the Big Ten, so I can see it being a tough if not impossible battle to get enough Big Ten members to be on board with a Florida State when they could just as easily get into the Florida market with an AAU Miami. We already know that there are some (plural) SEC members that are opposed Florida State.
I think Florida State is a more likely fit for the SEC, but can they get enough votes. AAU status is still a big deal to the Big Ten. Don't give me the "but Nebraska" line. They were AAU when they were added. If the Big Ten really wants to be in the Florida market, they would likely look more towards Miami which does have AAU status.
Florida State might be the first out the door, but their only near term landing spot may very well be the Big 12. Now if the Big Ten snaps up Virginia and North Caroline, that might force the SEC to reconsider it's position, but they could as easily look towards NC State and Virginia Tech, in order to try to compete for the Virginia and North Carolina markets.
None of this matters too much though. When it's all said and done, as far as Football goes, there will not be a Big Ten, SEC, ACC, or Big 12. At least, not as we know them. The Pac 12 has already been eliminated. The Big 12 and ACC are just hanging on for dear life and all signs point towards the ACC being the next to get eliminated. It will be a CFP league without conferences or NCAA oversight. Both ESPN and Fox have let everyone know, that is where things are headed.
Clearly the B1G wants FSU very much. Then it is up to the SEC to react defensively.
The key to the litigation is whether the FSU allegations about the GOR ending in 2027, subject to a unilateral option by ESPN to extend. If that was done improperly by the ACC president, then FSU should only be stuck in the ACC until 2027. That would mean that there would only be a one or two year buyout, since FSU will almost certainly be in the ACC until at least 2025, no matter what happens. Of course, we have no way of knowing if the FSU allegation is true.
Do to recent events, lots of FSU fans are really unhappy with ESPN, which helps the B1G position.
Another thing that I think that the B1G could do is finance a huge chunk of any FSU payment to the ACC. The B1G could loan FSU a large sum to be paid back over ten years or so, as the B1G did with U Maryland and Rutgers.
Real FSU fans have hated ESPN for at least a decade. Not only did they fill every minute of sports coverage with Tebow's name for YEARS, they kept tearing down Winston and FSU for over a year, even having the audacity bringing up the allegations against Winston TO WINSTON in an interview after a NCG win. During the same postgame, they had the nerve to say FSU was "built like an SEC team."
Maryland didn't have an exit fee, at least as far as the ACC is concerned (TV contract may have had a penalty). Their bolting is actually why the ACC decided to go wacko with a ridiculous exit fee.
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Florida is tempting, but I don't think any of the available schools are a good fit in the B1G.
NC and VA seem to be better fits even if those states aren't as appealing.
Personally in the last expansion I would've taken a few more Pac 12 schools to really solidify the "North and West" conference and then SEC can pick up some and become the "South and East" conference. Of all the schools not in the B1G-SEC conferences ND is the only must-have.
I don't think Florida St is a good fit for Big XII. They'd secretly try getting out of Big XII to head to SeC or Big 10 like oklahoma & Texas for money a few years later. I think Oregon St & Washington St are much better fits for the Big XII.
Let the B10 have them they will fit better
The SEC and Big Ten neither want nor need this garbage program. Even if they did, they are stuck in the ACC until 2036. Their lawsuit is garbage.
I dont expect much of bidding war.
If it takes 5 to 10 years why would they want FSU when they can get Miami?
Because UM is not as valuable as compared to FSU and would face the same legal battles
I hate words, like Might, Maybe, Could, Possibly and Perhaps. It is essentially guessing. No one except ESPN knows if they are going to opt in after 2027, and although technically the ACC holds FSU TV rights until 2037, good luck convincing a Judge to enforce that if ESPN does not opt in by February 2025 ( if this dispute goes that far).
@@davidbrown386 This would more than (I will use words like, likely or might or possibly) settled out of court long before 2036
@@marcjohnson8488 don't fool yourself. Miami hasn't been good in over 20 years but they still move the needle. When they start winning just a little bit they are Media gold. ...the Big10 is the best option
ESPN is the linchpin of CFB. The best thing for the sport would be ESPN insolvency that would prevent the opt-in. Without ESPN in the picture, the contracts become null and void rather quickly.
Do you not realize that FSU AD revenue is top15? SEC or Big10 both consider us "worth that add."
It will take 2 years max, the settlement will take half as long. Then a year to decide on a conference. I can assure you FSU will not end up in the Big12.
Like # 354. FSU will end up with B1G. Don’t be surprised if A&M joins them.
The SEC doesn't want FSU
Could it be possible that NC,NCSU, Virginia, V.Tech, FSU, Clemson, Pitt, GT consider joining the Big12. When the next Big12 contract is up the teams that get a invite to the SEC or Big10 can leave with a minimal buyouts.
Most anything is possible. Not really feasible.
Big 12 panicked when they added cincy, houston, ucf and byu. Tv networks are shunning them now. If they had been patient could have made a play for the acc and added fsu, clemson, miami, unc, uva, cal and stanford and make an arrangement with ND to play 5 conference games. This would make the big 12 part if a big3 and command alot of money from networks
The Big 12 needs FSU more than FSU needs the Big 12. But, does the Big 12 want another school that is Texas/Oklahoma-esque?
kind of a buffoonish remark for dodd to say "FSU isn't worth the pro rata that the big ten and sec are paying".
really? more than half of the big ten and sec are worth more than FSU? no. not even close. that's just ridiculous and makes me question every opinion he spouts thereafter
The SEC (ESPN) isn’t bidding on FSU as ESPN has their rights already
Until they lose those said rights
ACC conference could be a competitive conference if they do things right, but unfortunately, they're not looking very good for now. They have very attractive pieces for other conference's. Stanford, California, and SMU, Washington State, and Oregon State into the Big Twelve conference. Florida State might be in the Big Ten Conference instead of the SEC conference and Miami and Virginia, Duke in the Big Twelve conference. North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Clemson, and North Carolina State in the SEC. Wake Forest could be incorporated into the Big Twelve Conference or AAC conference. College football is looking really dark for now.
I’d have no problem with FSU joining the B1G but they don’t deserve full shares especially when there are better programs like Oregon and Washington who aren’t
It will be settled by the start of the season
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The current three other conferences will renegotiate their current contract within 10 years. This puts Florida State/the ACC in a bad position.
Are they bidding to not take them?
SEC: we'll give $10 million to go to the B1G
B1G: we'll give you $20 million to go to the SEC
SEC: shit, OK, we'll give you 25 million to go to the B1G... 🙂
SEC could be crazy next year. 8 teams are talented enough to compete for a CFB appearance (especially now that it has 12 teams). Want me to list the 8? Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Ole Miss, Missouri, LSU, Oklahoma, and Tennessee.
Sounds like the same shit SEC fans say every year. Funny, ACC went 6-4 against the SEC this year. I could almost make the same argument for the ACC, especially with 12 teams. Not to mention youre counting oklahoma and texas who havent even arrived a season yet. Missouri likely wont go on another run. LSU apparently is a second rate SEC team since they lose to FSU, as you people like to say, i think you forgot that.
@@bradenm3 LOL, FSU showed up... oh wait they didn't. ACC was bad this year. Most their teams lost in bowl games. ACC's 6 wins were there best team (FSU) beating SEC #5 team (LSU) and an SEC tam that didn't even make a bowl game (UF); Wake beating Vandy, Clemson and UNC beating a 5-7 South Carolina team, and Miami beating a Texas A&M team that fired their coach. Congrats, you beat mediocre teams. Only two of those wins were against bowl eligible teams in the top half of the SEC. Meanwhile UK beat your #2 team (Louisville) and Georgia spanked your #1 team (FSU).
@@bradenm3 The games between the ACC and the SEC in 2023 were mostly ACC contenders playing the middle to lower level SEC teams. The SEC's 8th best team (Kentucky) beat the ACC's 2nd best team (Louisville). That tells me all I need to know about the ACC.
I'll shorten this for the casual scanner: This is like 2 alpha Chad guys competing for the same pretty girl, but the games will go on for too long; she will age out, and neither will want her, when she's finally ready to settle down. Without the TV money of the SEC and B1G for a decade, FSU will not be able to compete at their level, by the time the GOR expires. The metaphorical hot girl will then have to settle for a beta nice guy type. FSU will eventually join the Big12 as a result.
Only to find the Big12 guy has decided they don't want an aged "pretty girl" when there are a lot of "OK girls" out there who won't be a whiner and want to be with them.
Absolutely makes no sense to join big 12 you can stay in the acc. You only sue if you have an informal invitation
It's illegal for FSU to announce they have a landing spot while in the ACC. But I am certain they have one and it's NOT the Big 12.
You're just so wrong thinking FSU won't have appeal and thinking FSU is going to be stuck in the ACC until 2036. We've been winning championships for decades, long before SEC pride was a thing. Our viewership is amazing. Our state is the best for recruiting. Conservatively, we're just better than 90% of CFB programs and that's in a basketball conference with a low payout.
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It's not a "bidding war" for FSU
Its about which conference benefits FSU the most. Sorry just speaking facts
SEC don't want them softies
The SEC is not gonna be in a bid war for Florida State… We’re not interested… We need basketball schools , we’re solid on football schools. (UNC-Duke-NC State- Virginia.. the Big Ten can have FSU, Clemson Miami, Virginia Tech, and Georgia Tech, etc.
The SEC does not need basketball schools. Conference realignment has always been just about football and it will always be that way.
@@chuckwest7045 at this point, if you add it’s about “something that you don’t have” Basketball would round the conference out. With the addition of those ACC schools. The SEC would be better all around than any Conference out there. Football- Baseball- Basketball.. All 3 Sports in our conference makes money.
That guy has no idea what he's talking about checkout warchant if you want the truth instead of these tea leaf readers 😂
The big ten don’t need to bid for FSU lmao 🤣 they either join or not the big will take Miami and get in Florida regardless lol 😂 the big ten holds all leverage
Bidding war for Fl market would favor Miami with the largest TV market in the state and bidding war with Big 10 between FSU and Miami could be for the team in Florida that will take the least from the conference not the most.
No it would not favor UM , not even close. UM would be a great fit in the Big 12
I thought the point of your article was speaking to a regional interest to make the Big 10 a more valuable asset to TV and would start a bidding war with the SEC that has 11 teams within 150 miles of FSU and already has a FL team. If so Miami wins for value added to a TV network its not even close compared to regional brodcast value. to a TV network. FSU is not even in the top 200 TV markets while Miami is in the 11th largest TV market in US and Miami has the south Fl market to itself FSU is 500 miles from S. Fl and has no other major school even close so when networks are doing regional brodcasts to increase their ad revenue FSU is a distant second if you want to have the third largest state included in your regional appeal.@@marcjohnson8488
Private schools other than ND and maybe USC don't have the fanbase to draw big viewership numbers. Miami hasn't been relevant nationally in quite awhile.
I agree and that amplifies my position that if the Big 10 wants to expand market to FL they will favor the larger regional TV market.@@fecat93
So Dodds assumes espn picks up their option in 2027.
Florida st is not going to the big 12! Who is this guy? He is totally wrong, Florida st will be playing in the big 10 in 2025. Florida state will definitely not be paying $572 million to leave. If they do pay it'll probably be a 3rd of that. Sorry to burst your bubble but Dennis doesn't know what he's talking about. Big 10 2025 .
This was the realignment analysis? lol.
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Fraud St will not play in the SEC! We don’t like crybabies!! They don’t want that problem
Dodd not a lawyer so useless Intel. I am an analyst like asking me about brain surgery ...yada yada
I live in Big 10 country (Ohio). Believe me there is no bidding war for FSU. Jeremiah Smith is the 2024 #1 overall high school pick. He knows that FSU is in Florida and still picks Ohio State. Same with Hall of Famer Cris Carter. The Big Ten in general and OSU in particular do not need to add FSU to get Floridians. I know that you're in Big 12 country but don't let these FSU lie to you like that.
Perhaps, but Ohio States nose isn’t that high after managing a whopping 3 points against Missouri
I don’t think it’s about getting kids out of Florida. It’s about breaking into the southeast with tv viewership. The Big 10 schools have been getting players out of Florida for many years.
@@Doc_Boots Bowl games that aren't playoffs are ravaged by the opt-outs and portal players. My school Northwestern had a great win vs. Utah, but in reality non-playoff bowls should be eliminated.
And don't you learn from an SEC homer.
Hell NO! We don’t need another whiny, holier than thou school back in the Big12! That would be like having tu back in the conference. No thanks! We don’t need that crap again.
63-3. Stay in the ACC.
SEC already has Vandy, we dont need another one.
And worse, already has Florida
You misspelled "Alabama."
I would not pay more than 50 cent for that nobody.
FSU is a Top 10 program, likely better than whatever trash team you root for.
FSU behaves like a 5 year old brat, who would want that, I hope the SEC says NO!
LOL! SEC does NOT want F$U.
FSU going to feel bad when the only conference that wants them is the Big 12
The Big 12 pays no more than the ACC and I don't think FSU would go there. SEC doesn't want FSU except to keep the Big 10 out of Florida. This is buyers remorse on the part of FSU, when the ACC/ESPN deal was put together it was great for the conference, okay go forward many years and there are better deals around. FSU isn't the prettiest girl at the dance anymore, SEC has Florida so they don't need more teams from that state. The BIG 10 would like to gain a foothold in Florida but I'm not sure it makes sense to have only 1 team from the south. I'm guessing that UNC and UVA are bigger targets than is FSU.
The Big 12 GoR is a lot shorter than the ACC's. That would be the only reason for FSU going there.
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That guy is high.
Come again how long did that Oklahoma and Texas departure take cause what they said and what actually happened or two different stories. the truth or matter is you want it to take 10 years and you want FSU to go to the big 12 because you want to keep that giant asleep let’s be truthful. You said that I could respect that.
OU and Texas got out early for 2 reasons, the GOR was ending after next season, not 2036 like the ACC, and scheduling was a problem because of the return games. Comparing OU and Texas with Florida State is apples and oranges.
@@SouthernSooner-wn3el my point is guys regurgitate the same shit. The GOR even what was the talking point it first was never gonna happen, then length of time, then when they wanted to leave earlier it was they probably will stay to okay they leaving. When money talks bullshit walks. FSU is a BIG ASS brand like it or not, so they won’t be stick around for long in the ACC
Their momentum CRASHED after that performance against Georgia!!! 🥴
Always K-State crap.