Big 12 Coach On the Way Out Already?
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
- One Big 12 fan base seems to be done with its coach already. Can he survive the season?
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The problem with Neal Brown is that he puts the team in hard situations due to bad play calling then blames his team for not capitalizing on things they wouldn't have to capitalize on if they weren't put in that situation to begin with. It's coronation vs causation..
Bases of a bad coach .
I am an old school fan from back in the day when Bobby Bowden was our HC. Long suffering when it comes to coaches. I even think the firing of Curt Cignetti Sr. was way too soon. I tolerated Dana... I've stood by Neal Brown up until this very moment. We were told by Brown we had a good football team. We might. But Neal Brown cannot coach it. It's over!
Even if he has a good season against the B12 you cant get over losing to both the PA schools.
Losing to both Penn State and Pitt is a pretty good indicator of what the results of the Big 12 will be.
West Virginia fan here who did not fall into the trap of defending Neal Brown. Sure, some of what he was saying about disrespect was true, but there was a good chunk of this fan base that knew he was a fraud his entire time in Morgantown except *somewhat* for last year.
Might be right? However, most on the boards here and every where are mostly Neal Brown fans and have all the excuses he needs including the you Tube hosts of these channels
Not all of us! I've been saying for 5 years he's the wrong guy!!
I love my mountianeers but I don’t see Neal lasting after the season I agree with you John
Mountaineer Nation is in need of change.
Don't put us all in the same delusional bunch.
You shouldn't feel bad for us Mountaineer fans. The only way we're going to get out of this Neal Brown nightmare of mediocrity is to have such a bad season that Wren Baker has no choice but fire Brown. Brown is in over his head as a power 4 head coach. You can see it in his eyes. If you go back and listen to the last 5 years of his press conferences after losses, he says the same thing about how fix the problems that constantly plague his teams. He says, "I just don't know what to do....." and then he fills in the rest of the sentence with whatever asinine issue plagued the team that game. Usually its related to undisciplined play, which is a hallmark of his teams. I think that we are the only team in history of Power 4 football that stopped the opponent on 3rd down of their first possession in overtime and still lose by 13! That's almost impossible, but yet a Neal Brown team found a way to do that! WVU looked as bad in most of their wins last year as they did in their losses. Their best skill is giving up a first down on 3rd and really long. I mean we had Pitt in a 1st and 30 situation. Of course they got a first down! While you can shake your head at it, we WV fans are actually used to it. We're just waiting for it to happen because it always does! I like Neal Brown. He's a nice guy. He had great success at Troy, but it hasn't transferred to WV, and it seems that it never will. It's time to move on from Neal Brown. It will be interesting to see where he ends up. Maybe he'll figure it out somewhere else? A lot of things have changed since his Troy days! He's got to change too!
Brown's done, but no moves till end of the year. Building up all of our hopes just to crap the bed, massively, in two of the first 3 games? Done. We haven't been ranked ONCE since Neal took over. That is just unacceptable. If we had been told that at the time of the hiring - only over 0.500 due to FCS wins, and not being ranked in the top 25 a single week at any point in his tenure? No one would have called that acceptable.
Not to dogpile but 3 of those wins also came from beating previous G5 schools last year and we even loss to Huston who was terrible last year.
But his fans have went into hiding. Wait till a team takes WVU lightly and that will happen and WVU upsets somebody. Going to happen. Then the BROWN fans will be back saying trust the climb, give him more time , extend the contract with a huge salary increase. We’ve finally arrived . Just watch and a couple of wins like CINCY and the BROWNIE fans will be back.
@@BrianB55Yeah it’s like a .450 win percentage against power conference teams. He’s gotta go at worst after this season. Good dude and probably a good coach but just not on this level.
Been calling for him to be fired for 3 years now... a foolish coach. Horrible play calls, no adjustments when needed, and just not game smart in my eyes
Iowa had a 99% win probability with a minute to go vs ISU. 🙂 I don't think Kirk is going to be fired.
I expect they keep Brown through the season, for a better "buyout" package. Plus end of season is when coaches free up, so they get better replacement choices. I am tired of bringing in small-school coaches and hoping for a better outcome. They don't need a Bryant/Saban/Paterno type, but there has got to be better choices than Troy.
Get Jimbo on the phone. He wants the job.
I've had a healthy leash for him because of everything that has happened since he arrived- first the roster when he got here, Covid, NIL, etc. But it's probably time. I can't even imagine what next year looks like after losing 2 NFL OL after last year, Milum after this year along with multiple other O linemen...
I dislike firing a coach during the season, unless it is fatty Pittman from my beloved Hogs. As a West Virginia fan from afar, it must be crushing to lose two both Penn schools. I would tell the coach win out from here on or else.
That coaching staff has excuses for days
If WVU loses to a Grimes offense, it's definitely over for Brown.
As a kstate fan I’m sure I speak for a lot of us if not all!! We are so glad we got Kleinman instead of brown
Also wanted to mention West Virginia's president gee leaves next year. So Baker may try to get a new football coach before he leaves and then maybe not. But there's always a possibility a new president comes in and fires everyone including Baker the athletic director even though he's newer. Put some of these presidents want their own people. But with that said yeah Neal Brown's fired after the Kansas game if he loses if not bakers on his way out.
Any word on who his replacement will be? I fear the worst! They could go the DEI route, which would mean sports take a back seat to anything else.
They won’t fire him mid-season. But I did hear Wren Baker looked very unhappy after the Pitt game.
KU QB is going to have the best game of his life. Betting will probably go with KU, so in THAT case only, WVU wins with A LOT of referee help. If there is not that much money is on this game, then WVU loses handily. KU QB will run and pass his way to records.
Don't forget....the AD 2 years ago was fired!!!!
They said this was their year! Lol
Fire Neal Brown now!
Yes, don’t let the rot continue
As a WVU fan, I know that the next coach is going to be eventually driven out of Morgantown, too. Dana Holgorsen did a good job, but Mountaineer fans expected more. Neal Brown has not done a good job, but WVU fans were (foolishly) predicting a trip to Arlington this season. I predicted a 6-6 record this season because I think with my brain, not my heart.
97%……………don’t underestimate Neal’s ability to F things up
Penn State has never really been a "rival" as much as Pitt is, it's kind of how Marshall views WVU as a "rival" even though we never play them and we're like 9-0 all time vs them. PSU leads the series 50-9...it's never been a rivalry or competitive. I've been a WVU fan since the late 80s and I'd consider Pitt the no 1 rival, and even VT or Maryland a bigger rival for us than PSU.
I've wanted him fired since the end of season 4. It's been clear since the first couple of seasons that he doesn't play to win. There is a portion of our fanbase that is delusional because he's a nice guy off the field, but he can't win(He's sub .500 against FBS), he can't recruit, and he can't surround himself with successful coaches. We make the same mistakes in year 6 that we made in year 1. Team isn't prepared, defense has always been bad, we play soft and not to lose instead of with aggression and to win the game.
Knowing WVU, we won't make any moves during the season, because we've never done that. Coaching search is likely underway, behind closed doors most of the big money boosters/donors are already done and were already restless after the Houston debacle last season. Hopefully we can get a good OC/DC from a current power program. Brown needs to go back to the Sunbelt because that's about the only level he can coach at.
He will be at WVU this season
I’m not for firing him in the middle of the year. We’ve never done that before and future coaches need to see what they have to look forward to, if given the job.
Nothing short of a big 12 championship will save Neil Brown's job in my opinion 🏈
Been hardcore fan thirty years this year has been backbreaking and we been through a lot unfulfilled promises
NB blames the refs.....blames the team....blames the luck, but he won't look in the mirror and blame himself...... If you don't recognize the real problem, you can't fix it!
Who's gonna pay his buyout? We've wanted him out for 4 years
If things get bad enough, maybe he'll resign and make a deal? Maybe I'm naïve? I don't see him sticking around is WV goes 2-10 or 3-9. There would be no denying that the blame is squarely on his shoulder for the program's complete decline. WVU football has everything it takes to succeed, including some of the best facilities in the country and one of the best NIL collectives. There's no reason we should be unsuccessful. Do you realize that the last coach to have us in national prominence was Bill Stewart, and he was fired because he couldn't win a national championship. Neal Brown can't even compete for a conference championship.
Some WVU fans defended NB. Others, like me , seen through last years soft schedule & 9-4 record. I really like him & wished it would've worked out, but I've believed for 4 yrs (counting this seeason) that NB needed/needs to go
Thanks. But, our Mounties have a long history as heart-breakers.
Honestly, with the way they lost to Penn St and blowing a late lead over Pitt, the best thing for the conference would be for WVU to lose every game from here on out. Unfortunately, that is not likely to happen.
WVU has never fired a coach during the season, and I doubt they do now. They will give Brown the season to see what happens. I'm hoping we can turn it around and salvage the season but for Brown, anything less than a Big 12 title, and I think most fans will still want him gone. As much as I'd love it, I dont see Brown pulling that rabbit out of a hat.
If we manage to end the regular season 8-4 or better, Brown won't be going anywhere whether the fans want it or not.
What Are You Going to Say when WVU beats K STATE ?
Fine we get rid of NB, and tell me who do we get? Y'all tell me, I'm not a NB fan. I just wanna know who should we get?
WVU caint afford to pay to let him go.
Lol Brown is signed thru 2027 season..which donor gonna pay his buyout an help with a proven college coach that won't be cheap. Offense has been pretty good under brown it's his pathetic predictable conservative play calls that stymy us. Same with Jordan Leslie he is a 3 man lay back zone delay blitz coach which in big 12 will get you lit up. Clearly brown an Leslie lost 10 points lead an game with scared predictable coaching.
You must not know about Ken Kendrick’s wow lol 😂🤦♂️
I don’t see us losing to Kansas at home.
Wait, you will see it Saturday. Take the gold and blue glasses off. Daniel’s will throw for 400 yards and 5 touchdowns against this secondary
@@ToneChaser79he’s probably gonna run up the middle for 400 yards also
It's over for Neal Brown they may try to keep him until the end of the year I doubt it or they may even keep him for next year we have an easy schedule for the beginning of next year Robert Morris, Ohio bobcats then Pitt. So next year will be one of our easier schedules and then we're back to playing hard schedules with Alabama. But I think they fire him sooner than later because of the damage it does to the revenue, but first they will call Nick Saban then they will call Jimbo and then they will call Doc Holliday, but we need an older coach this time. Experience is everything this time. We've had the young guys already.
Agree
Barring another 9-4...he's done. And 9-4 ain't happening.
Poor Gold and Blue Dude died……Maybe West Virginia should leave the Big XII for the ACC.
Brown isn’t going anywhere.
Hell with neil brown imma fie hard eer fan and ive been ready for neil to leave for 3 seasons now...neil brown is a shitty coach and garret Greene needa a better coach
Look at the all-time record between Penn St. and WV, and you'll see it's no rivalry. It's a fistfight between a senior and and a freshman.
Not me I did not support him at all. I knew exactly what was gonna happen this year he’s a loser and I predicted it. I said five and seven.
neal brown has never accomplished anything ever ever
Andy who? I couldn't make out who he said as possible coach.
Penn State OC Andy Kotelnicki, the secret to KU's former success
Brown is a loser he cannot win a big game
If he goes 6-3 in the Big12 and ends up 7-5 I don't see how you fire a coach with back to back bowls. Even if he goes 5-4 in the B12 and 6-6 will another bowl it makes it hard to hire a coach when they know bowl appearances are not enough to keep your job.
Who are we going to beat? Look at that schedule. Cincinatti and Texas Tech are our best shots at another victory, and we historically take a dump in Lubbock. We could go 2-10 or 3-9. 4-8 looks like the ceiling for this team. We can't stop the pass or tackle a scrambling QB and we have no defensive depth so we are dog tired in the 4th quarter every game. Plus our offense always figures out a way to do the wrong thing at the wrong time. You could be correct, 7-5 is a mathematical possibility. I just don't see it realistically.
@@jscotthopkins6692 I did look at that schedule. I was mostly disagreeing with John's take that Coach Brown had to go 9-0 or 8-1 to keep his job. If Brown somehow manages to finish with a winning conference record with that schedule I don't see how he deserves to get fired. But I agree that it is unlikely UWV ends up with a winning conference record.
I disagree. If he goes 7-5 or 6-6 in year 6 you absolutely have to fire him. This guy isn’t going to magically change who he is. The sooner WVU rips this bandaid the better off this program will be down the road
@@zacheryelkins5688 While I totally agree with that statement, reality is probably a little different. I mean they fired Bill Stewart for only winning 10 games a season. I guess they would do it if the right donors demanded it?
@@jscotthopkins6692 the donors absolutely have to be on board with it. The question is though what would they want moving forward? Do they want a up and coming coordinator or g5 coach? Or because of the last two experiments do they want a proven coach from the P4 level? OR and this may be the case too, do they leave it as it is until the contract is much cheaper? I hope it’s not the case but it certainly could be.
Coach Brown will be here for a long time to come. He has rebuilt 7 of 8 position rooms, and the DBs are the last one, which is on the verge of fixing. Anyone who can't see it isn't looking. John Kurtz go away.
Man I want some of what you're smoking. Must be some REALLY good stuff if you still believe Neal Brown is the man for the job. This clown should have been fired 3 yrs ago.
Most delusional take I've ever seen. He's sub .500 against actual FBS teams and 1 game over .500 after 6 years. There isn't a more clear definition of mediocrity. He hasn't rebuilt anything, he's torn the program down completely.
@@TeKnoVKNG23 And all you look at is arithmetic. Your understanding of the problems under Holgorsen and what Brown has built would have to improve significantly to work up to being superficial.
@@WVUFootballGoinDeep Nah I've seen how we look on the field for the last 6 seasons. Never prepared to play, soft players, no fire, no intensity, secondary has been the worst it's ever been at WVU under Brown, etc. Coming off a 9-4 season where he saved his job for a year, knowing we open with a huge PSU game at home, McAfee Show in town, massive hype and the team yet again comes out completely flat and unprepared to play after Brown spent weeks in the media saying we are disrespected and should be ranked. He's 0-4 in home openers against actual FBS competition at WVU and it's the same flat mistake filled performances almost every year. The loss to Houston last year and the near disaster to Baylor were just a microcosm of his coaching career.
I was done with him when he got caught on a hot mic saying "Why all this hype for one game?" during his first Backyard Brawl. He doesn't understand the culture at WVU and belongs back coaching in the Sun Belt if even that. WVU can do much better, and will when he fails to even win 6 games this year.
It’s difficult to fire someone, so nice, but if we start looking now we have a better chance of getting a really good Coach 🏈
Stop with that nonsense why do people say he’s so nice. He’s a smart ass who blames everyone including the players HE recruited and never takes credit. Brown is a bum!!! Fire Neal clown
Out, see ya, go back Troy, play little boy ball
A little incorrect. We “sorta” bought in but mainly due to returning talent. Not charmin soft Kneel. Been awful for 6 years and counting………..