You are correct, the cheap stuff is pure garbage and is never consistent, it just makes noise. Reloading always produces the most accurate rounds. I never extend my over all length so that I can't load it in a magazine but it can come very close. Reloading in my experience for accuracy has never been the maximum load but starting at minimum powder load and work the powder charge up to the sweet spot. Good video.
Thanks John. I feel like a custom chamber with a distance to the lands that can be achieved within mag length loads would be perfect for the AR precision loader. I may experiment more with my AR accuracy but I have so much load development to do for my bolt guns that it's gonna be a backburner project for a while. This experiment got my curiosity going now 🤣
As a veteran reloader, I would work up a load that would feed from the mag while optimizing accuracy. Oh and use a 20 or even 10 round mag for prone shooting. Many modern day AR shooters don't know or remember that the original factory Colt mags we used in our M16's were 20 rounders - & most of us loaded only 18 for reliability. Today's mags are vastly superior.
Yes, a 10 round mag would solve a lot of problems. Didn't have one when I made this video. Picked one up recently. And yeah, having a load that won't feed in a mag is clearly highly disadvantageous in a semi auto weapon, hopefully I made that clear a couple times in the video 😆. The goal of this video and this load was to satisfy my own curiosity about, specifically, loading at .020 off the lands in my AR which happens to have a 5.56 chamber. In order to do so I had to load well past mag length. Just for this test, just for this one video, in no way am I suggesting that loading past mag length is typically a great idea for an AR-15.
@@tralmanchronicles6163 Yep, I understood. I'm working on a good varmint load for my AR's 'cuz my favorite 60gr Vmax load for my bolt guns won't fit my AR mags either. The 40, 50, & 55gr Vmax & Nosler Ballistic Tip bullets fit in the mags & perform well, but I suspect the heavier 60gr will perform better @ distance.
@@tralmanchronicles6163 No. This batch was reloaded about 10 years ago & brass was neck sized only. They won't chamber in my AR even when loaded by hand, so will reserve them for my bolt guns. I no longer neck size, but was trying to use up the 200 rounds on hand.
I've talked about this in some other videos. I'm certain that in some cases it's possible to impart enough force or movement onto the handgaurd to deflect the scope. There's no doubt that this phenomenon is possible. However, I'm extremely skeptical that, in most cases, it makes any significant difference. Because the handguard is affixed at the barrel nut, any amount of movement at the front, where the bipod is, will be reduced by an order of magnitude at the fulcrum point of the lever, in this case, at the barrel nut where the scope is attached. That means even if I load the bipod hard enough to deflect the handguard, say, 1/32" at the front then it would move the rear of the handguard exponentially less than that. Certainly this movement of a thousandth of an inch of deflection can possibly impart variance down range on point of impact. Particularly with extremely precise shooting guns at extreme ranges. However, the 6 pound milspec trigger, my breathing, my imperfection as a shooter, variances in the ammo load charge weight, seating depth, resonance feedback from the gas tub to the receiver, etc. almost certainly cause dramatically larger variances on target than any microscopic poi shifts that might be caused by handguard deflection. I'm just saying, at 100yds, with a relatively inexpensive AR setup, and imperfect handloads, I'm personally skeptical that possible handguard deflection is a significant enough factor for me to worry about. Maybe ill do a test with the same loads with two different scope mounts and see if it actually makes a difference in the real world.
@@tralmanchronicles6163 Squeeze barrel and hanguard you will see how much barrel and handguard deflected. A miniscule shift scope took from handguard is exponentially reflected at range, in your maybe future video "TEST: Bridging the gap = REAL ISSUE?" dig a mini tench for bipod feet to sit in then push forward rifle load the bipod and you will see your rifle stablize. But with bipod push-loaded bipod feet pivot inward toward you and top bipod mount outward toward target this torque handguard downward thereby bending scope down too and you will hit high from point of aim. Vertical stringing can be obtained from this.
@@TrollinCrazyRussian yeah, for sure, I'm pretty aware of the mechanics of the issue. I'll definitely do some testing to see what actually happens. Now I'm curious.
You are correct, the cheap stuff is pure garbage and is never consistent, it just makes noise. Reloading always produces the most accurate rounds. I never extend my over all length so that I can't load it in a magazine but it can come very close. Reloading in my experience for accuracy has never been the maximum load but starting at minimum powder load and work the powder charge up to the sweet spot. Good video.
Thanks John. I feel like a custom chamber with a distance to the lands that can be achieved within mag length loads would be perfect for the AR precision loader. I may experiment more with my AR accuracy but I have so much load development to do for my bolt guns that it's gonna be a backburner project for a while. This experiment got my curiosity going now 🤣
As a veteran reloader, I would work up a load that would feed from the mag while optimizing accuracy. Oh and use a 20 or even 10 round mag for prone shooting. Many modern day AR shooters don't know or remember that the original factory Colt mags we used in our M16's were 20 rounders - & most of us loaded only 18 for reliability. Today's mags are vastly superior.
Yes, a 10 round mag would solve a lot of problems. Didn't have one when I made this video. Picked one up recently. And yeah, having a load that won't feed in a mag is clearly highly disadvantageous in a semi auto weapon, hopefully I made that clear a couple times in the video 😆. The goal of this video and this load was to satisfy my own curiosity about, specifically, loading at .020 off the lands in my AR which happens to have a 5.56 chamber. In order to do so I had to load well past mag length. Just for this test, just for this one video, in no way am I suggesting that loading past mag length is typically a great idea for an AR-15.
@@tralmanchronicles6163 Yep, I understood. I'm working on a good varmint load for my AR's 'cuz my favorite 60gr Vmax load for my bolt guns won't fit my AR mags either. The 40, 50, & 55gr Vmax & Nosler Ballistic Tip bullets fit in the mags & perform well, but I suspect the heavier 60gr will perform better @ distance.
@@ronaldperkins4222 sounds about right, for sure. Have you tried using a Bob Sled?
@@tralmanchronicles6163 No. This batch was reloaded about 10 years ago & brass was neck sized only. They won't chamber in my AR even when loaded by hand, so will reserve them for my bolt guns. I no longer neck size, but was trying to use up the 200 rounds on hand.
Bridging the upper and handguard gap. Every load variance you put on bipod transfer to handguard thereby to your scope.
I've talked about this in some other videos. I'm certain that in some cases it's possible to impart enough force or movement onto the handgaurd to deflect the scope. There's no doubt that this phenomenon is possible. However, I'm extremely skeptical that, in most cases, it makes any significant difference. Because the handguard is affixed at the barrel nut, any amount of movement at the front, where the bipod is, will be reduced by an order of magnitude at the fulcrum point of the lever, in this case, at the barrel nut where the scope is attached. That means even if I load the bipod hard enough to deflect the handguard, say, 1/32" at the front then it would move the rear of the handguard exponentially less than that. Certainly this movement of a thousandth of an inch of deflection can possibly impart variance down range on point of impact. Particularly with extremely precise shooting guns at extreme ranges. However, the 6 pound milspec trigger, my breathing, my imperfection as a shooter, variances in the ammo load charge weight, seating depth, resonance feedback from the gas tub to the receiver, etc. almost certainly cause dramatically larger variances on target than any microscopic poi shifts that might be caused by handguard deflection. I'm just saying, at 100yds, with a relatively inexpensive AR setup, and imperfect handloads, I'm personally skeptical that possible handguard deflection is a significant enough factor for me to worry about. Maybe ill do a test with the same loads with two different scope mounts and see if it actually makes a difference in the real world.
@@tralmanchronicles6163 Squeeze barrel and hanguard you will see how much barrel and handguard deflected. A miniscule shift scope took from handguard is exponentially reflected at range, in your maybe future video "TEST: Bridging the gap = REAL ISSUE?" dig a mini tench for bipod feet to sit in then push forward rifle load the bipod and you will see your rifle stablize. But with bipod push-loaded bipod feet pivot inward toward you and top bipod mount outward toward target this torque handguard downward thereby bending scope down too and you will hit high from point of aim. Vertical stringing can be obtained from this.
@@TrollinCrazyRussian yeah, for sure, I'm pretty aware of the mechanics of the issue. I'll definitely do some testing to see what actually happens. Now I'm curious.