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Inside the Titanic sub disaster
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2023
- This week a submersible carrying passengers to the site of the wreck of the Titanic disappeared in the North Atlantic; all five aboard perished in a catastrophic implosion. Correspondent David Pogue, who rode in the same underwater vehicle last year, reports on this latest disaster, and looks back on his interviews with OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush and deep-sea explorer P.H. Nargeolet, who were among those killed.
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It’s always dangerous to go with someone who thinks they know everything.
True!
Hate this type of people
Yep, people thought Charlie Manson had all the answers.
Think they know everything is one thing, convince themselves that cutting corners will not go wrong is another.
It's the Dunning-Kruger syndrome. People will know just enough about a subject that they think that know more about the subject than everyone else. His arrogance also came into play by his thinking that his innovation skills exceeded existing regulations and that he could just ignore the regulations. Regulations do as much to increase innovation as it is restricting innovation. The restriction of innovation is in the sense that they should prevent very smart people from doing very stupid things.
As an engineer there's two things you don't cheat. Costs and physics. He did both.
Don't you mean mean material instead of costs.
I trust titanium over carbon fiber
@@oldskolacura9798 Well no not exactly. You can buy the same material from a different supplier for less the cost.
@@Body_Modelawh, but you missed material testing, as did OceanGate!
As an engineer I agree. If something simply, physically can't do something, just because you say it can do it, wont suddenly allow it to do it. Post modernism and science are not compatible, and science always wins.
The guy who was fired for raising safety concerns is a smart man. I bet his family is really greatful that he did leave. "Safety is a waste." Unbelievable
Safety first!
Safety never takes a day off.
And second and third
Will this tragedy help scientists 👨🔬 figure out where they went wrong . Will this tragedy help out for better technology and positive will come from it ? 😢 may those people souls be resting In peace
That’s how the titanic sank
Ignorance, is the reason it sank. The captain recieved iceberg warnings and was warned to slow down but didn't because he wanted a world record, and also it was his last time as a Captain before he retired@@poser224
I still cant get over the video game controller...its just crazy
At least use a 360 controller
thats actually the least sketchy part. Lots of commercial ROVs use game controllers. They're great interfaces. The US military even uses steam decks to control some of their drones
Its actually not. Its actually one of the more sane things, Army, Navy and many national army's use controllers to remote control drones, planes etc, they are actually top class for what they do.
Exactly, like what if the battery runs out? Lol
“At some point, safety just is pure waste”
That is a deeply concerning statement
A statement from a crazy madman, who didn't care if he lived or died. SAFETY is No.1 requirement.
there is always risk in doing things, but it should NEVER be ignored, it should be chiseled away at until it is manageable
seatbelts should be warn, even with the risk that they could injure you, because if you get injured by a seatbelt, think of what would happen to you if you hadnt worn the thing
you would be a heap of flesh and thats all she wrote
The statement itself is not wrong. At SOME point it is. He was just very wrong about where that point was.
About 12,000 feet deep
wow, what a statement. The non-sphere shape and differing materials were enormous red flags. Then you have all the cheap parts that are apparent which makes you really think what else did he cut corners on?
Him willing to go out doing what he loved isn't the problem, it was his willingness to take other people down with him.
@@davidmack4185I love egusi soup
You act like like a person who can see the future and know what about to happened why won't yall shut up?
carelessness
It's a crying shame it didn't have a lot more room aboard.
It’s American law officials fault since they didn’t stop an illegal business operation. Titan was not a certified submersible to begin with. Shame on them. 👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼
You guys need to leave the Titanic alone it's been over 100 years. Stop trying to find stuff that's deep down in the water.
‘Safety is a waste’ - sums everything up about this man
He was dead the moment he said that safety is a pure waste. Safety is and should ALWAYS be the number one priority above all else. His cavalier attitude toward the most important thing in any company is what got him killed and unfortunately he dragged others down with him. RIP.
He was cavalier... now he's caviar.
hes right in the sense that security is being monetized against us.
@@BobbyT-yj1cwHOW can you say they could still be alive??? It IMPLODED! That means the chamber got crushed like a tin can under the wheels of a car. The pressure was too much and the chamber did not stand up to the pressure. Each time they traveled down on their voyages to the titanic, that plexiglass probably weakened each time. Once enough pressure weakened it and it busted, the whole chamber just got crushed from the pressure. That’s what an implosion does.
Safety =time & money.
Company's don't like using either
@@theglitch99 companies
The minute he mentioned ‘safety & pure waste’ in the same sentence gave me chills..
Some brother, i felt the goosebumps just rising on me and I couldn't control them! I cant believe that these people tried to play with mother nature #TravisSurvived
I mean, I kinda understand what he means. At some point, you’re only adding safeties to things as a backup or for the teeny-tiny chance a specific thing would happen.
At the same time, that doesn’t give you justification to forgo said safeties.
@@Not_Cielit’s like that for a reason. It’s like that because humans make mistakes. And people shouldn’t have to die because of one humans simple mistake. That’s why airplanes have hundreds of indicators all for the simplest things so the pilot simply cannot forget.
NATURAL SELECTION
“If you wanna be safe stay home” 🤣 the DRAMA
"When you're trying something outside the box, people inside the box think you're nuts." Not when 'inside the box' requires actual, secure safety measures and not a x-box controller to direct an entire sub. You can't expect a man who thinks he knows everything to lead a DIY submarine 12,500 feet down in the ocean. My heart goes out to the victim's families.
literally the "xbox controller" which isn't even an xbox controller, was NOT the problem of this sub. The actual problem of the sub was THE PRESSURISED HULL. all of you parroting the " xbox controller, sub didn't have security systems" just sound like ignorant fools repeating scandalous news headlines. The actual reason for the accident is told at 7:59 mark in the video. If you actually watched the video and paid attention, you'd know the actual problems with the sub. Also, this wasn't just Stocton Rush doing everything by himself. Yall ignoring the fact that he actually had some legit people on board the company who agreed with its ideology on how to achieve their goal. Like the P.H. Nargeolet, who has probably visited Titanic the most out of anyone ever and has himself operated over 5 different subs. P.H. Nargeolet even goes into detail that he knew the way the sub was made and that he agreed with the idea behind it.
Last words inside the sub: "Does anyone have extra batteries??"
Pfft victims?
Of what, their own stupidity or arrogance?
@seanpatrick8936 Ah yes, let's just call everyone who trusts people who are supposed to be experts stupid. Really open world view.
@@povilasmarveloustv3810 idk man if between a pc gaming controller, dollar store lights, and home depot security cameras and the main point of failure was still the important "people die when this breaks" part he had a really low bar to get over without murdering his passengers.
Just by looking at the size of Ocean Gate makes me claustrophobic.
Although this is tragic, as a mechanical engineering student this event really opened my eyes. I thought all the tedious math and abstract theories I was learning was just jargon to make my classes harder, but when now I see why we learn all these things. Some of the cut corners on this submersible is exactly what my professors warn us about.
Sometimes you feel like things dont make any sense in class until you apply it in practice/work, keep pushing!
"I thought all the tedious math and abstract theories I was learning was just jargon to make my classes harder" 99.9999999% of college graduates have the same opinion; that's why college degrees are worthless in the REAL world.
I love my girlfriend
I love my boyfriend
I love my dog
It's incredible how careless he was regarding a matter so serious.
Yeah and ARROGANT! This is what happens when you think you're a know-it-all, therefore theres no need to consult with safety experts!
@@onlytymewilltellyou just described americans
@@coastingalongfor real, they don't even know what a woman is. Women there saying they are oppressed not realising they have more privilege than anyone, children aren't safe, illegal immigration is done openly, they are bad at geography etc etc
@@coastingalong😂😂😂😂
@@coastingalongand Christians who need to be saved when you already think you saved. Can’t tell them anything when they practice the same lines . “God knows my heart”
Keyword: AEROSPACE not UNDERWATER airplanes are extremely different to underwater vehicles. Airplanes and other high altitude vehicles have air pulling outwards. Underwater vehicles have water pushing inwards. The design used for planes can't be used underwater
May everyone rest in peace. Bless all who are mourning their lost.
Perfect example of a man who knew just enough to be dangerous.
Sounds like a Democrat!!!
@@raymondwheeler4130republicans trying not to bring politics into everything challenge (impossible)
@@raymondwheeler4130 Hated regulations, and consistently donated to GOP candidates... odd thing for a Democrat to do... I don't care one way of the other, I'm not a yank, but the way some of y'all drag party politics into _everything_ , like you're obsessed with hating the other party.
@@jimbobeire No, I read that article and he did not "consistently" donate to GOP candidates. He also espoused woke donkey mentality in interviews and graduated from UC Berkley . . . It's also not so much the other side hates "regulations." What they don't like is regulations that are merely there to profit the dnc. You also don't have to be an American to have the exact same politics and write what you did. You can go down a checklist of your views; that's how cliche.
I served with guys like him. Their sales pitch shifted gears after realizing the enemy has a tendency to return fire.
That submarine captain was the best person you’ve had on to talk about it. He explained in a way that made sense why it failed. It wasn’t the carbon fiber or the titanium, it was because they were used together and flex to the pressures differently and weren’t a cohesive unit. James Cameron was another good person to listen to.
The carbon fibre in and of itself was a problem. Anyone who has dealt with composite over-wrapped pressure vessels would have looked at this and shuddered. It was simply not built the way you build pressure vessels. Composite vessels also have a cycle life - and this vessel was taken to crush depth on every dive.
Yes, and I bet he would not be able to fetch $250K for a trip inside a window-less submarine. It was another example of him prioritizing money over safety.
@@allangibson8494that’s the most mind blowing part of the whole thing to me.. how can you conceivably think you can go to such depths without making damned sure your vessel is safe? Absolute lunatic
If only he didn’t use carbon fiber, they would all still be alive today. James Cameron has done this 30 times in his submersible and never had a problem because he used materials that could stand the pressure.
@@allangibson8494 "Crush depth"...that sends shivers down my spine.....
A cool fact is that it take 0.05 seconds for the brain to feel pain the implosion actually was 0.01 meaning it was truly a event without pain
You don't know that
Once he told me it was controlled by a game controller, I’m gone. I’m afraid of water period so this would’ve never crossed my mind
The fact that it didnt implode on previous tourists is pure luck.
There's a youtuber and his gf that went out the week before. They were getting a free trip, and his video would he used for advertising. They ended up scrubbing the mission due to bad weather, and the next trip became the last trio. He has it all in video.
im suprised it didnt, if they never had issue before, what really happened
@@TheFrenchPug DALLMYD
Používaním sa rozpadne aj bicykel, otázka času.
I'll bet previous tourists have had the odd nightmare now
Death is sad. But dying due to someone else’s negligence, that is truly unfortunate. RIP.
You just described 'involuntary manslaughter '...
Was about to comment the same thing
I think the others have some blame, but the blame ultimately lies on Stockton. There is no way for someone to quantify the danger involved. You don't get to say "well we warned them" just because you said it was experimental and there was a risk of death. The risk of death should always be vanishingly small.
Of course it is possible this was a complete freak accident. We only see freak accidents in the news, so we should be careful of being biased to thinking it was inevitable.
@@lemuhuru No. I completely disagree. Stocken Rush misrepresented his claims...he life about NASA, lied about Boeing, lied about U of W being partners in his endeavor. He lied about safety, using high pressure sales tactics...he lied
I love the ocean and being a modern explorer is wonderful. But safety must come first. Sad situation here. God bless everyone of those people!
those who are making fun of these people dying are sick people. No one deserves to die like that.
The old submarine captain nailed it, 3 different materials response in a different way to the water pressure.
I'm not an expert but when I heard the body was made from carbon fiber in the beginning of the video, made me think is that why it imploded. Should of made it from Titanium.
He should have know specially if he’s an engineer. What’s shocking a PHD approved it and NASA consulted his design. Just no one caught the design flaws.
Also he fired engineers for raising safety concerns
And no port holes on subs it's a weak point
@@Body_Model The experts always show up after the fact.
My husband is a mechanical engineer and when he heard Stockton say “I am a rule breaker” he said there are no breaking rules in engineering. Rules are there for a reason and it either is right or it’s not.
As a humble plumber, your husband is wholly correct. Do it once and do it properly.
I feel like engineers are cringing at the things Stockton has said and done (or not done)!
Engineering is NOT a space to take shortcuts, cut corners or break rules.
If you break the ruler, it's broken.
My soon-to-be ex is a civil engineer and he thinks he is above the rules and that regulations are overly conservative. I wish he was into submersibles.
Rest in peace to those who died on the titanic, and to those on the submarine.. 😢
RIP Stockton
Is that what you think they are just resting?In peace wrong, we are spirit, not the body.You know exactly what I'm on about 1 day.Your time is ticking Close
I have been hearing about this tragedy on the news but didn’t know the exact details. Thanks for this video.
Firing the engineer who raised safety concerns directly to the CEO is a MASSIVE red flag. To decline a certification so people are safe is also deeply concerning. The CEO was a talking red flag imo
Edit: some of his emails have come to light. He dismissed safety concerns as senseless cries. This guy was so arrogant and his arrogance took not only his own life but the lives of other 4 people.
democrats have white social guilt
That engineer is sueing the company too and he is about to get a good payout.
@@haywoodlunsford4238 not if the company is broke
@@ReinierS yeah your right. Family members that lost lives might sue also.
@@ReinierS given how risky all of this was and the fact that the CEO was fully aware, then they might've gotten insurance so I wouldn't worry too much. I recall when the auto manufacturer VW fired a GROUP of engineers for raising concerns regarding the fake emissions. They protected the company by informing the boss about the fake numbers and declined any interview with the press and were still fired. The ones responsible were let go but kept as consultants, still getting paid and a lot of money. This is the world we live in ladies and gentlemen.
It's astonishing how cavalier he was about something so dangerous.
Delusions of grandeur af
It seems his approach on hiring his crew may have actually been dangerous. Hes quoted as saying "he didn’t want to hire “50-year-old white guys” on his team even if they were seasoned submariners". I want the best on my sub no matter the color.
@@bnb791 y’all keep picking up on that statement as if he was saying anything about race or sexuality. Read it again: he’s looking for young, inexperienced, and impressionable new engineers who won’t challenge him.
@@innocentnemesis3519 AND selling himself falsely as open-minded where he implied others are not.
he wanted money. other wise he would pay for all of it. greed
Such a shame that someone’s Ego destroys people
I’ve never seen the titanic and I’m still here
In an expedition like this, safety should not only be "first" but it should be EVERYTHING.
Praying for the families 🙏🏼
I would have taken a deep breath then Houdini out of the sub swim to safety while I held the sub with my other hand and bring it to safety.
I love my boyfriend
Praying for the family for fxxk?
If it’s everything, they wouldn’t go at all…
Man they deserved every bit of it 😂😂😂
The saddest thing about this story is that a father, knowing the incredible risks, thought it was okay to take his son along with him.
He might have taken his wife with him, the son wanted to go do took her place, so I've heard.
Still. We know why the royal family doesn't have together. Things like this.
The kid was terrified to go too, only went because of Father’s Day 😣
rich do what the rich want 😂 paid for it for sure!
The "kid" was 19 years old.
@@kscott2655still too damn young to die
To be honest, with the headlining thought being “let’s forgo safety because we need to break boundaries and be innovative” tells me it was more about arrogance, then confidence in their submarine… and what confirms it for me is when he says that he wanted to be the “Director of this mission” rather than “just a passenger” I guess it’s hard to see past your own ego when it’s highly inflated
"At some point, safety is a waste"..........chilling words to die by. If one of my employees were to make that statement to me in the highway maintenance profession we're in, I'll try my damnedest to get that individual removed from my crew. I don't want people like that around me on the job.
oh eff that. they are gone. pinkslip
Exactly! This guy's arrogance was over the top!
@@karenharris722 unbelievable.
A wise engineering professor once said, "If you are going to design a bridge that fails, you better be under it when it does." Rush did just that.
@owenpurcell8318 w professor, I remember when i was a little kid I saw you say that at a interview. How time flies!! #sublife
The problem is he wasn't ALONE. If it was him and him alone who died on this unsafe vessel I would actually have much sympathy for him and see him as a risk taking explorer. The problem is he had 4 other people in there who died needlessly because of his risk taking including a 19 year old. 19....
@@Liverpool5095 exactly 😩
Good. Otherwise we all know multi millionaires get away with almost anything
Don't let this distract you from the Epstein emails with JPMORGAN!!!
As an engineer, it is saddening to hear a fellow engineer saying something like safety being a pure waste. Inspections, regular maintenance, risk assessments and all sorts of regulations are there to prevent exactly these sort of catastrophies. Many regulations have come about after incidents where people have lost their lives due to something that was overlooked or not properly assessed, so saying that safety is a waste is like taking all those lessons learnt and throwing them in the bin. I'm really sorry for how this ended. It really was just a matter of time - those people just happened to be in the sub that inevitable unlucky time.
Well if it makes you feel better, in pure irony he's now a martyr for safety.
“Safety being a pure waste” 🫡
They built the sub out of carbon fiber which is brittle when it exceeds its pressure, unlike Iron which flexes under pressure without cracking. Ya, I agree it’s a big engineering mistake on their part…
Another engineer here. I'm not sure the title Engineer is fitting for Stockton Rush. He fills the CEO role much better. He put his company and money before more important things, like safety. To me, at best he's a "project manager". But an Engineer he is not. For his main role in this tradegy and the loss of 4 other lives, I would be happy to see him stripped of that title.
well said!
Exactly Its an Engineer's first priority to put safety before innovation
This hurts, no matter what. Yes we take risks daily, but come on😢
Good evening 🖐️
aw you poor baby
"At some point, safety is pure waste." Stockton Rush, CEO OceanGate
Should put that on his grave stone...
@@gordonfreeman5958factss
And look at him now, shark food.
Stockton Rush was motivated by pure greed. Stockton was working the emotions of naive folks who have $250,000 just lying around. What a stupid, ignorant statement, "Safety is a waste." quoting Rush. Cameron shared the word arrogance as being part of Rush's personality. Condolences to all who perished because of Rush and their lack of common sense.
'Former' CEO...
James Cameron said it best in his interview with Anderson Cooper. Cameron stated he did dangerous things but NEVER took anyone with him, as to not put anyone else’s life in danger. I feel very sorry for these other 4 people who were convinced this was a risk worth taking.
Cameron n josh gates both said the same thing n they both seemed to b correct…josh actually went on a cruise in it n said it was a disaster waiting to happen
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I love my boyfriend ❤
@@Heart.jam3yyI love u ❤
There dead, they don’t care
6:58 Famous last words
Would you fly on a plane because someone said "we found a new way to attached the wings" 😅😅🤣
I like this reporter's healthy skepticism
That’s what it needs to work in journalism.
@@aid0nexyet most journalists simply take orders from above and ask no questions, so as not to «rock the boat».
The fact that any new network would put their own employees at risk is simply negligent.
yet he got on the thing anyway and would’ve gone down to the titanic if something hadn’t gone wrong. it isn’t just the naive that make stupid decisions, it’s people that are the risks but ignore their own doubts because of so called “experts”. one of the most revered experts died in this
@@Vinguluh this journalist did that, he got on the thing and was going to go down to the titanic despite his own doubts, because he was assigned to do it
Most people don't know anything about deep-sea diving, so when someone tells you they're an expert and they sound as confident as Stockton does, you're going to believe them when they tell you that what they're doing is safe. The waivers they had to fill out may have said "experimental sub" and "possibility of death", but it's easy to ignore that when you're being told something is safe and you don't know any better.
I think it was extremely unethical to put passengers in an experimental sub without attaining proper certification. There's a reason that certification exists, and it's to avoid this exact kind of catastrophy. If Stockton wanted to risk his own life, fine, but passengers??? Astoundingly stupid
The crazy part is stockton really BELIEVED his sub was safe , thats how this whole thing happened
Noone would ride that piece of junk of stockton wasn't so confident in it that he rides with them ,
No sane man that knows how much skimping on safety and balatant ignoring of rules would go in the sub himself
From all I’ve seen of him, I think he was completely convinced he was right and everyone else was wrong. He saw himself as a visionary.
Yeah common sense comes in . Something like this you better bet I would be doing my own research.
he needed people to fund his “research” and thats the way he did it had people pay for the experience but they weren’t his customers they were considered “staff members”
Yes people would still go because the sub has taken 8 trips before
Stockton Rush died for his passion and he deserves praise for his courage. No one is perfect after all.
Very sad condolence to all their families and friends, may their souls rest in peace.
When I come across people like Rush, I RUN. Spending 2 minutes with him you’d realize he’s overconfident and blind to so many important risks.
Seriously the most dangerous thing in the world is a person who thinks he’s a god in such over confidence that he doesn’t believe in flaws or weaknesses of his own creation
Rules are there for a reason..
If anyone wishes to breake them for reasons known by their own, those reasons better be acceptable with evidence and proof... Otherwise it just could be someone's fantasy risking lives of others...
@@joedaniel8503I don’t think he thought he was a god, but when you have over 40 + successful dives and you’ve created multiple subs, planes and etc that all worked…..I can see why the cockiness and overconfidence got him. He was flawless until this people forget
These types are dangerous because they are so married to their idea, nothing will deter them. They have get-there-itis.
I love my girlfriend
"Don't Rush it" when it comes to engineering, has a whole new meaning now.
The Titanic that sank 111 years ago must have had precious cargo. That must be the reason they moved together thinking they would hit the jackpot. Instead the jackpot hit them RIP
Excellent video. I really like this reporter.
I think the dude had a way about him to make people comfortable. Just watching him in the submersible answering the guys questions made me feel a sense of ease and trust. His confidence went far.
Very true. I was thinking that guy could easily be cast in an acting role as the US president.
To the gullible you mean.
Clearly the fathers som who gave up the seats had concerns about the integrity of the build. To come out on tv after they died and said on live television he was concerned and asked questions that millionaire brushed off his answers. Real arrogance that led them to there death.
Being a good talker doesn’t protect from the pressures of the ocean.
@@inconvenientfacts58 he believes in himself as well..he’s not trying to cheat anyone
As James Cameron said:
"Both the Titanic and the Titan tragedies were preceded by unheeded warnings."
@owenpurcell8318
Well considering that James Cameron is a close friend of yours, you should maybe have asked him whether or not he said it before criticising others.
James Cameron DID say exactly that, not once or twice but multiple times on numerous different news station interviews.
And he was right too !!
Just because he's your best buddy it doesn't mean you're automatically informed of every word he says before anyone else is. I have loads of close pals and I do not monitor their words or start telling others off for quoting their words without first investigating whether or not they said it.
What on earth your friendship with him has to do with the words he says is completely irrelevant. You're jumping to his defense, arse licking him and name dropping in some sort of a boasting way in almost a threatening manner when he actually did say it because I heard him say it a few times.
Congratulations, you've just made an absolute idiot of yourself.
What a wally 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@owenpurcell8318
Surrrre he his
@@FortValanceBruhhh...was??? 🤣🤣🤣
@owenpurcell8318was???😂😂😂
2:35 "i am definitely not alive" lmao
I just found this out, the movie titanic was released 85 years after the disaster, and the titanic shipwreck was found in 1985, the movie titanic was made 12 years after the discovery, the titanic sank in 1912, and the titanic wreck was discovered 73 years after the titanic disaster, and thomas andrews was born in 1873, the designer of the titanic
Also rest in piece all 5 men, especially the young one, since was terrified and knew something was gonna go wrong 🙏
Still find it poetically justified that the person who believed nothing could go wrong with his ship… went down with his ship. He truly believed it was a safe vessel. He believed in his work despite all the red flags warning him against it. I don’t believe he could have survived that guilt of costing people their lives. As cruel as it sounds; going down with his vessel was best case scenario for him personally.
He rejoins the "inventor who died because of their invention" wikipedia article. Not too bad.
@@gluonpa6878 lol these guys waste no time
@@BobbyT-yj1cwno way to open from the inside and estimated to be out of oxygen (and water) for days... I don't think they have any chance of survival
He deserved it, but it's tragic for the 4 other people that were with him and their families.
There is a old saying with bridge architects. If you design a bridge that fails - you better be standing underneath it when it does.
@@BobbyT-yj1cw because it was destroyed, they found the end caps. you people need to be more skeptical of your own assumptions
This is really eerie that they interviewed him back then, in a way that perfectly answers todays questions
Good journalism.
So a fast food ordering machine, a game controller, and a single power button.
Not only R.I.P. to the 5 pain passengers, but also including the father and his son.
Combining three different materials to build the " Ocean Gate " submarine. All three either contract or expand. Under that much pressure deep below the surface.. all it took was a single weak spot in a joint/seem.. for it too implode.
“At some point, safety is just pure waste…” wow. That’s all you need to hear.
@Jmoons22 I was just flabbergasted when he said “safety is just pure waste!!!
Like what??!! At that depth Safety should be the first and the most important priority!! Period. And that too when you are taking paying customers.
If you heard a car manufacturer say that, you'd probably think twice about buying one of their vehicles...amazing that people were still willing to gamble on Stockton with their lives.
I doubt he told that to the 250k paying passengers..
yep...this guy was NOT an engineer, which point on which curve was he pointing to? at 99.9999999999% on a stats curve or at some $ number on his NPV curve?
He's right though isn't he. If you never took a risk, you would stay in bed. If you want to stay 99.999999% safe, don't leave the house, but that level of safety is a waste, it's overkill. That is what he meant by that phrase.
Astonishing. Everything about this story is astonishing. The ego. The lack of experience and expertise. The gall to take peoples money onto/into an unregistered, uncertified vehicle. The balls to compare yourself to successful businesses with PROVEN results, through TESTING and CERTIFICATION. As James Cameron said: it’s ironic that Rush died next to the Titanic in much the same way that doomed the ship itself. I’m not sure that I feel much for those who joined him, other than the kid. He was 19. The others should’ve had more sense. Instead they only had more money.
The French diver/explorer should have known better and seen all the red flags from this operation. I'm very surprised he signed up.
But how stupid the people were to pay 250K knowing this vessel wasn't certified, etc.
I think when you said 'the ego' that was at the heart of it! 👍
Exactly. His passengers didn’t do their due diligence in making sure the “vehicle” was safe. He sweet talked them into parting with their money and glossed over any minor concerns that might have been raised. What an irresponsible and dangerous man he was. The more I know about him, the more I believe he had a death wish and if there was a way he wished to exit this world, it would be exactly the way he did. I wish his passengers had known better 😢
All of that money & they traveled in a vehicle put together with parts?? My God!
All glued together lol omg
Condolences to their families and friends who have suffered a devastating loss of their loved ones! 😢😢❤❤
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I have no empathy for Rush but feel awful for the other 4 passengers. “If you want to be safe, don’t get out of bed.” What an insult to everyone. Comparing getting out of bed to diving 2 1/2 miles down in an experimental sub.
El hombre era un arrogante,sin duda
I'm exactly the same, I feel nothing for Rush, but to think of the four poor souls he took to their deaths with him, is enough to squeeze tears from a stone.
Exactly agreed I thought the same thing
He played 'Russian roulette' with those four lives. I'm so sorry for their families!
@@karenharris722 Nah I think he knew it was dangerous he just didn't wanna die alone. But the people also knew there was a risk of death in the waiver that they signed. My guess is they prob just wanted to see the titanic while stockton rush literally rushed to end of his life and unfortunately took some souls with him
God, that CEO totally had it coming. I just wish he didn't take those 4 other passengers with him.
If he was going to sink, I guess he didn't want to be the only one. I think he took his adulation for Musk a bit too far.
It was purely luck. There was no way you could of predicted that.
S m h he didn't have death deserved just because he was arrogant
@@personincognito3989He built his own death cage
Greed, plain and simple. He'd have been seen as foolish but (mostly) sympathetically tragic had it only been him down there. Instead, he wanted to make the big bucks getting rich people down there ASAP.
Very sad story. It always amazing me when certain breeds of people think they can just go take on the craziest of endeavors, and expect everything to go smoothly. What amazes me even more, is when it DOES all go smoothly according to plans. What did they say, he successfully did it 12 times or so? That’s pretty cool.
You just searched this because you’re about to rewatch Titanic for the 33th time in your life 👇
When a man who has spent more that 5 YEARS of his life actually in the ocean, says that the Titan wasn't safe, it's probably a damn good idea to listen to him.
Ok, we will do 👍 how's it going?
The problem is that people are jealous when they see you making an achievement and you don’t know if they say it to u to not let you progress or for your good. Probably this was he’s case he didn’t listen because he thought that they are saying it because of jealousy. That’s only an opinion 🤷🏻♀️
Jelous of what ?
These people that warned him have already achieved more then he ever would at sea
well said
Any doubts about safety would have been counter weighed by the fact that the CEO would be with them in the sub. This was crucially why the other 4 passengers were aboard the titan and so are blameless.
It pisses me off how all these news outlets are trying to paint Stockton Rush as some kind of innovative and brave explorer when in reality he was a lying, egotistical, and grandiose man who put people lives at risk multiple times in the past and ended up getting people killed due to his negligence. He doesn’t deserve words of praise, he deserves to be placed in history as a reminder of what hubris can lead too.
Especially since the other innovative and brave explorers in the DSV field were so safety and design conscious this was the first ever loss of a manned civilian DSV in sixty years. Painting him with the same brush as them is a disservice to them all.
Yeah I agree. If he wanted to only use it for himself then okay don’t worry about safety BUT don’t take people and kids down and charge them when you aren’t even certified or completely sure it wouldn’t fail. It also should have been checked or x rayed after 12 visits down to make sure the pressure didn’t causes breakdowns in the frame… they do that with shipping containers so I don’t get it
Rush, is such a befitting name
Even a king may ride the waves, but he does not command them. He disrespected the ocean, and the ocean did not take kindly.
Totally agree
"Does that not raise eyebrows in the industry?"
"Oh yeah ...I'm an outlier."
The 3 staff took “money cant buy anything” to a different level 💀💀💀💀 (rip 2 customers) 🙏🙏🙏
The fact that the 19 year old didn't even want to go on the sub is crazy.
Always trust your intuition
He only went on because of Father’s Day :(
@@vegsamosagoes to show you how much these man made holidays really mean. Nothing!
There are conflicting stories to that. The aunt says he was scared and the mom says he asked for her ticket so he could get on.
I feel sympathy for that 19 year old :(
Navy sub captain hit the nail on the head with the hull being three vastly different materials. Also scary to hear dude dismiss safety the way he did. Can safety look differently on different projects, sure, but to have the idea that it will disrupt your project is def a red flag.
The three different materials weren’t the problem titanium and acrylic plug windows have been used for decades. Carbon fibre is however problematic in and of itself. Carbon fibre has no compressive strength. All the compressive loads are carried by the epoxy binder - and OceanGate bought that epoxy as “time expired” surplus from Boeing.
The radial winding process they used to build the required thickness is also suspect as it produces shear planes from the outside of the hull to the inside with no resistance to bending forces.
The hull design was also questionable in that the NASA modelling recommended 175mm (7”) of composite and OceanGate used 125mm (5”).
Rush, is such a befitting name
@@allangibson8494 yeah well we all are gonna take the captains word over yours, buddy
@@oldskolacura9798 shut up Ron de santis
@@elihernandez800 Plug windows are designed to expand and contract in a titanium frame - that’s why they are tapered.
The rest of the hull design? Not so much. The US Coast Guard hasn’t reported finding any substantial parts of the carbon fibre hull spool but have found both end caps therefore what was between failed in compression.
If the end caps had failed or the acrylic window the hull spool would have survived, at least in part.
"Let's go down to crushing depth in a mesh sub!"- Genius
This is what happens when you cut corners. My brother told me that one of the engineers at the place in his internship skipped the safety protocols and next thing ya know he was electrocuted and fried to death. There's a reason for every safety rule out there.
He was extremely lucky with the previous 12 dives, his luck simply ran out. He unfortunately took 4 paying customers with him to the afterlife instead of the Titanic graveyard.
13 unlucky for some 😢
He didn't make it to Titanic on MOST dives. One video of their touring the Titanic looks doctored
Theres not much left of it.
Technically, they became a new addition to the Titanic graveyard.
Nope. He also took them to the titanic graveyard… just about 1600ft away 😂
I feel bad for that 19 year old. His auntie said right before he got on that he didn't want to go because he bad feeling something was gonna happen. If you ever feel like you shouldn't do something, then don't do it. Your intuition might save your lives.
His mum gave an interview and said he was excited. Who do you believe, an aunty who hasn't spoke to the family for some time, Or the lads mother.
Aunt is probably angling to get in on a big lawsuit payday...
@@dextervonwhiplash1755then do it? What?
yep…if that little voice inside of you is asking “is it safe?”….IT ISN’T
That 19 year old should have done research before going
I keep hearing that death was 'instantaneous' for the people on the Titan. I'm not so sure about that. It's scary and painful to think about, but I'm guessing there was probably around 30 seconds of pure horror while they were all crushed into each other and drowning. Idk, maybe not
I heard they didn’t feel it and it deff was fast but they probs did see it come which makes me feel more sad abt it
@@lacie18 absolutely. Terrifying doesn't even cover it. This thing was famous for making 'low caliber gun shot' noises as you went deeper and deeper. I imagine that it was probably making some very loud, and horrifying noises in the seconds leading up to the implosion. God what a scary way to go.
7:09 “I think I can do this just as safely by breaking the rules”
-Haunting Words
Unfortunately,he got what he deserved
You summed it up very nicely.. “hunting words” indeed… what scared me was the 3 strikes rule… it should have been 1 strike.. people lives are worth more…
@@GeorgeSmith-ze5vkYes, 3 strikes? As a passenger, I'd want 0 strikes.
So frustrating how he KNOWS it's not safe and laughs, it doesn't matter for him, it was all about making $$$$ out of his toy 😒 "kind of cynical of his McGyvering"
@@TheFrenchPug I mean if just one thing fails… they scrub the dive.. instead of 3 things.. cause think about it.. well we have surface return fail safe not working.. we are still good to go… oh wait now we have 2 fail safe not working.. oh we still go to go….there is something very very wrong with that.. this is not baseball but deep deep deep diving… crazy thinking if you ask me…
Unfortunately, from my experience in the last 44 years of my life, I met people with similar body language of this guy. They all have one thing in common. Never argue with them as they are always correct.
Yeah something isn't right with Stockton, he would sell you nonsense and many of these people bought his pitch with no second thought...criminal on his part.
@@vincentlatour1190well that guy has more money than the ceo. He’s dead
@@vincentlatour1190 😂 are you alright ???
being always right is foolishness the bible even says.The guy was a conman/ cow boy really and arrogant
@@nina2222 arrogance and recklessness
You would think with 250000 USD tickets, he would eventually upgrade his diving trashcan.
"They all died in a 'yellow' submarine"
- The Beatles
"We run the whole thing with this game controller" Game Over!!!
unbelievable! Right!
Controller was not the problem and was probably the most reliable thing in this thing.
Common practice don't know why all these people are hating on it when this is nothing new for robotics industry
The words you never want to hear a person in charge of your life saying is “at some point safety just becomes a waste“
Because they didn't know when they paid $250k and signed a waiver for their own lives..
😂
@@Nu_Ruyou laugh but you're literally alive because of people who risked their lives
@@Tenchi707 am Alive bcoz of my creator
People who only see money cannot be trusted.
Very sad about the innocent folks that died onboard. But, this is a great lesson of why you should not cut corners. This submarine was the prime example of: "let's cut every corner that there is, and justify it with other companies trying to stop rapid progress.) The rapid progress, instead became rapid implosion.
The whole thing looks & sounds terrifying even without knowing the end it reached, just the CONSTANT galactic pressure on its cylindrical structure 😳
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for those wondering, those 380 atmospheres of pressure crushed the submarine in about 1 millisecond, which is such a short amount of time that they were dead before they knew that it imploded
i wonder though, do they feel something before the implosion starts?
@@neilbertmillar9960 probably not, even a tiny dent with a depth of, for example, 1 mm is already a weakness in the structure and could be the starting point of the implosion
@@John_Gillman i mean, does human feel early symptoms before the implosion happens?
@@neilbertmillar9960 not really, i guess when you start hearing metal bending it´s already too late
In all honesty I feel like they were probably so paniced at that point and in darkness
Now paying customers are going to want to see the Titan. It never ends
exactly
"Curiosity killed the cat"
Spot on!!
Now OceanGates new trip is call "Journey to the Centre of the Earth" Not a big f.....in
Queue for those tickets I would imagine!
Theres few white plastic part and 2 titanium cap. Everything within the carbon fiber is vaporized, carbon fiber included.
If you are not afraid for your own safety and think safety is a waste, okay, just don't put other people's lives in danger for money
He should've went in that sub by himself instead of letting other people get in that death trap with him and risking their lives.
@@Infinite-void908 exactly 💯
It was operated by a PlayStation controller and they still got onboard. Wow
Sometimes you have to humble yourself and listen to others. Such a tragedy. All of this could’ve been avoided!
He was all ego.
I’m an aerospace engineer working for a huge company with composites( carbon fiber). Once I heard that this submarine is made out of composite I knew right away something really bad is going to happen. This guy should’ve known that compression on a carbon fiber will shatter and will not leave deformation. Not only that it takes years and months to develop a good submersible submarine. He took a short cut to validate his own sub than the professionals validating his sub. This sub is all about compression , strength and deformation. I question how the plies are laid up, 0,+45,90&-45??
Could you explain further? Or simpler?
dafuq is composite?
With a 5" cross section he had no way of knowing what was going on with the internal structure and it sounds like he was averse to ultrasound testing. There seems to be some confusion over whether the pressure tube or the viewport failed. It would be nice to get clarification for the sake of data. If it was the pressure tube then we learned that his design is really only good for 3 or 4 dives before it needs to be replaced.
Before Fosset passed he had a sub commissioned to go to Challenger Deep that is also of carbon fiber design. To my knowledge they would only certify it for 1 dive.
I’m an engineer too. I thought the point of the carbon fiber was to prevent expansion of the titanium tube rather than resist compression? Not saying it’s not a stupid idea, but as long as the expected expansion is equal or greater to the external pressure, the carbon fiber would not be in compression. What am I missing?
@@seanmurphy3413the navy stated they found both end bells intact, which leads me to believe it was either an issue with the tube construction itself or the joint between the tube and end-bells. No issue with the viewport itself
"The risk of dying gives meaning to living." compare this sentence to the past 3 years, where we had to try anything to save everybody.
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The problem isn't a matter of facing the fear of dying, the problem is that Stockton took lives with him.
Did he do it because they pressured him to go down even if some things were a no go? I thought CBS went down. It appeared they went down. Reality, they didnt go down. If CBS went down and it fell apart last year- the journalists would not be happy. So did it not go because of the pressure from the riders or ….
… and took 250K from each one of them for the “ privilege “ !!!
Still saving face for OG ... and defending his hubris ... good job CBS.
I think David Pogue is defending his visit and ride in this Pepsi can.
he should have been stopped at "carbon fiber is stronger than steel and titanium". No, Stockton, only cheaper. The thing you built is what you'd get if you ordered a ROV from Wish. Those were literal famous last words.
Carbon fiber is also more brittle, untested and in development
Metals will take a certain amount of load and then tend to bend before they break. Carbon Fiber is nice material, but it will take a load, and take some more load, and some more load, and then it will instantly shatter.
@pyropulse7932 cylinders are only string when pressure is applied vertically, but sadly no one explained water pressure to this guy....Carbon fiber...when i heard that all i could say was "WHAT?!"
@@Richy_Tthat same submersible did go down about 2-3 times in the past right? Looks like the structure just couldn't take it anymore
@@Richy_T I see
I have sympathy for all 5 men but specifically and mostly for the young man. He had his entire life ahead of him and was seemingly terrified of this dive. And just as many comments have addressed previously, the fact that Rush used 3 dissimilar materials with different molecular structure and compression threshold was ridiculous. He was an arrogant man but a good salesman so it’s not unbelievable that other risk takers jumped at the chance to take that journey in his tin can.
yes, consider his father wealth, he simply will have a wonderful luxury life ahead ... had he not join his father
The kid had an entire life of affluence, inherited wealth, and bad decisions
The weight of water doesn't give a s*** how much money you have!
"He had his entire life ahead of him" how you can be so sure about that?
@@user-rz6wu3eo8k ? No one ever can be sure. But he was only 19. That is very early
"At some point, safety just is pure waste. I mean, if you just want to be safe, don't get out of bed. Don't get in your car. Don't do anything." - Stockton Rush
Ironic.
I was training to become a pilot with a CFI that had the exact same attitude as this guy with the sub. He wasn’t worried about any of the problems I mentioned with his aircraft. I ended up canceling my training with him and a few weeks later we had a fatal crash. I stopped flying all together.
He was too sure of his invention n too wrapped up with himself if he had consulted with the most high God n ask for instructions frm him he wouldnt be where he is right now.The Titanic sang a decay ago leave what the most high put down alone the sea is not something to play with .this man was out of his reach n Let this be a warning to the WORLD.
amen dude 🙏
I love my girlfriend
I love my boyfriend
Sounds like a scared 🐝 otch 😆
Carbon fiber is great for tension....but terrible for compression, especially in the shape of a long tube. Rush was using it just opposite in terms of it's actual strength. NASA used carbon fiber pressurized containers on the Space Shuttle, but they were 1) spherical in shape, and 2) contained internal pressure, not trying to withhold external pressure.
Why did NASA went with the production?
@@rollzoloNASA uses the same material for their spacecrafts, but to my knoweldge they had nothing to with the creation of this tincan. if i recall a lot of the parts used were for air planes, used parts even, literal junk.
Ok well it’s not “terrible” or else it would’ve failed earlier. If it did fail, it was likely due to fatigue, which is more difficult to detect in a non-ductile material like carbon fiber as to steel or titanium. The guy at 7:30 explains this.
Absolutely correct. Imagine blowing up a balloon inside a cloth bag. It would hold a lot of pressure. Now imagine quashing it in a vice. No contest!
A couple of cans of Flex Seal would have done the job.