Here from Vancouver! it's interesting that THIS was the train they sent over here, instead of any other of any of their much better trains. The line it ran on between New West/Abbotsford is the former British Columbia Electric Railway interurban, now the Southern Railway of BC/SRY Rail Link shortline railroad
@@cccenturion4480 if they were trying to sell it here as an export product, it would've never worked there's nothing for a train like the pacer to really do in north america, the railroads here are too specialized. (look to the Renaissance cars on VIA, the former Nightstar sleeper train cars, those are an absolute headache for them)
Me and my uncle rode this train during Expo86. The unit wasn't uncomfortable but it was travelling slowly as a sightseeing excursion and not an actual attempt at reintroducing commuter service. The line followed much of the BC Hydro Railway right-of-way, which was North America's longest interurban electric tram service (Vancouver-New Westminster-Abbotsford, 150km) which ended in 1959 with the "Rails to Rubber" conversion to buses. Today's SkyTrain S-bahn service started in 1986 and is only now being extended from Surrey to Langley, following the BCHydro original RoW.
Not the first time in the 20th Century the UK tried to enter the Canadian rail market: the prototype Deltic was to be tested by Canadian National but was damaged and thus the attempt was aborted.
@@sglenny001poor thing would be wide open basically all the time. Also it doesn't have dynamic brakes so it would have been limited to passenger trains.
I'm surprised it was worth shipping back here. Don't they have scrapyards in Canada? Truly delusional to think anyone else would want these things. Even travelling on a preserved one is more depressing than nostalgic.
They should preserve at least one unit as a reminder of how not to do trains only Britain would concoct a passenger train from a freight chasis and body styled on a 1960s bus😂😂😂🤣
The Fox Chase Rapid Transit Line in Philadelphia in the 90’s tested these as well. But they ended up just abandoning the whole thing due to low passenger numbers.
If rail slander videos have taught me anything, it's that the designated fishbowl train is the 333. Doesn't create a neat pairing with the car, though.
It's not just Canada. KTM Railways of Malaysia bought a metre-gauge version for their railways back in 1980's as well for testing too. Apparently it didn't last long though and by the mid-1990's it was most likely cut up for scrap after sitting unused for ages.
Put a pacer on a flat car fully assembled and it still doesn't exceed the height of a North American auto carrier... I think that perfectly sums up the difference between British and NA loading gauge...
Canada Got The 88th Out Of 96 Pacers Made By Leyland The Pacer Is Not A Train, It’s A Rail-Guided Bus That Uses The Underframe According To The Principal Of The British Railway Pacer Rail-Guided Road Vehicles Require Underframes To Run On Either The E&CR Or Irish Rail E&CR Stands For The “English & Celtic Railways” The E&CR = British Rail + Sodor Railway + BR’s Irish Route (Not Irish Rail) Rail-Guided Road Vehicles Are Only To Be Used On Railways Without An Underframe In Mainlander Countries (Spain, France, Italy, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Holland, Canada, U.S.A., Etc.) Trains Station Platforms In These Countries Are Either At Ground Level Or Railway Level In Order To Make Ways For Freight Trains, In These Ways You Can Run Any Rail-Guided Road Vehicle On These Railways Without The Underframe As The Requirement, Because They’re Accessible At These Platforms Rail-Guided Road Vehicles Are Only Accessible To Train Station Platforms At Either Ground Or Railway Levels, Unless You Install An Underframe Like That Of The British Railway Pacer, So That Any Rail-Guided Road Vehicle Would Have An Accessibility To Train Station Platforms At Their Standard Level, Like Those Of Both Britain & Ireland Rail-Guided Road Vehicles Are Also To Be Used On Tramways Around The Globe E&CR’s Motorised People Movers For Goods Trains German: Wagon & Mechanical Engineering Dennis Wickham & Company Park Royal Vehicles Automobile Carriers Ltd. Dennis Wickham (Revised) One Named “Elliot” Drewry Car Company UK’s Rail-Guided Buses Leyland Experimental Vehicle Dennis Wickham LEV Leyland National Rail-Guide “R3” (Underframed) RBxxx Intercity (Nicknamed: 🇩🇰) RBxxx Footboard (“RB004”) RBxxx Official (Classified: “141”) Leyland National Train (Classified: “140”) Leyland Pacer (Classified: “142”) Barclay / Alexander Pacer (Classified: “143”) Walter Alexander Pacer (Classified: “144”) Cab Car Consists Driving Motors Driving Motors, Wheelchair Spaces Driving Motors, Lavatories Driving Motor (Quad) = 4DMs Driving Motor (Quad): Wheelchair Spaces Driving Motor, Lavatory (Quad) Driving Motor (Quad) With A Lavatory DML (Quad) With A Wheelchair Space Driving Motor (Treduple) = 6DMs Driving Motor (Treduple), Wheelchair Spaces Driving Motor, Lavatory (Treduple) Driving Motor (Treduple) With A Lavatory DML (Treduple) With A Wheelchair Space DM (Quad) + DMs (Wheelchair Space) DM (Quad) + DMs (Lavatory) 8 Driving Motors Ten Driving Motors Twelve Driving Motors Twensief Driving Motors And So Forth Treduple = Three Doubles = Sixfold (6) Twensief = 2 x 7 = Fourteen (Ten > 4) Consistencies 3 Cars Or More
Instead of the Class 142 Pacers getting scrapped which sadly they have gone for scrap. Perhaps they could have been transported by sea to Canada to be used in Canada.
Opal Mints were also converted to Pacers, but they proved so unpopular that they were discontinued in 1985. Sadly they never made it to Expo 88, otherwise the history of ugly, boxy, square things with stripes down their sides could have been so different!!
The pacers were reliable old trains they served the Welsh valley lines here in Wales for 30 years they were hammered and gave fantastic service miss these old awesome trains far better than some of the modern rubbish running on the network today the class 197 junk running in Wales are far worse than any pacer unit
With the canadian/american fishplates not lining up line those on the uk it must have offered a harsh ride. sp under rated - Its easy to forget what the pacer/railbus offered BR and local communities at the time.
Also wasn't it California that tried a single car version of this for their local metro system? But eventually said no thanks, because of it's lack of accessibility issues.
The question 🙋♂️ is it true that the 2 car class 142 pacer trains 🚊 🚆 🚂 have went to Canada 🇨🇦? Perhaps 🤔 it must have happened. The FGW - First Great Western seats 💺 were on the 7 x 2 crappy 💩 car class 142 pacer trains 🚂 🚊 🚆 are 142001/009/029/030/063/064/068 is because they were on a long term sublease from NT - Northern to FGW - First Great Western from Monday 3rd 🥉 of December 2007 until three 3️⃣ separate dates 📅 📆 are Wednesday 19th of October 2011 are class 142029/064, Sunday 27th of November 2011 are 142009/030 and finally until Wednesday 30th November 2011 are 142001/063/068. The short term loan 💸 💵 2 car class 142 pacer trains 🚂 🚊 🚆 are from Monday 3rd 🥉 of December 2007 until early December 2008 are the 5 x crappy 2 car class 142 pacer trains 🚂 🚊 🚆 are 142004/028/028/062/067 that had musty seats 💺. All pacer trains 🚊 🚆 🚂 have standard class accommodation only and are second generation DMU - Diesel ⛽️ Multiple Unit trains 🚂 🚊 🚆 . They are class 140 -144 pacer trains 🚂 🚊 🚆 were last used in Wales 🏴 named TFW - Transport For Wales 🏴 on Saturday 29th of May 2021 is nearly 4 previous years ago when it comes to 2025. The pacer trains 🚂 🚊 🚆 are very bumpy, noisy 🗣️and bounce up ⬆️ 🔝 🆙 and down ⬇️ everyday that they feel uncomfortable 😣 😳 🥴. All pacer trains 🚂 🚊 🚆 have a toilet 🚾 🚻 🚽 in the DMSL - Driving Motor Standard Lavatory 🚾 🚽 🚻 , no smoking 🚭 accommodation is because it’s prohibited 🚫, open windows 🪟, automatic operating doors 🚪, hard seats 💺, a ladder 🪜 in the DMSL - Driving Motor Standard Lavatory 🚾 🚻 🚽 , fire 🔥 extinguisher 🧯, luggage 🧳 rack, no carpet, without central heating and it feels cold 🥶 inside the train 🚂 🚊 🚆. Don’t worry 😉 about the crappy 💩 2 car class 142 pacer trains 🚂 🚊 🚆 is because they aren’t part of BR - British 🇬🇧 Rail anymore. Plenty of the most of the crappy 💩 2 car class 142 pacer trains 🚂 🚊 🚆 have previously gone to scrapyard. Good 👍 😌 😊. It serves them right. Middle finger 🖕to the crappy 💩 2 car class 142 pacer trains 🚂 🚊 🚆. 👍 😄 😃 😁
The North Americans got their own back by shipping over those awful Boeing LRVs (tram, not Lunar Rover Vehicle) to Manchester. Thankfully no more than 2 ever arrived.
These rusty old rotters seem to get everywhere.. it wasn't bad enough that they made the people of Northern England suffer with these nasty unsafe trains but they wanna make the Canadians suffer it too. 😂😂😂
Why limit the screeching and thrashing to the UK when you can make it available worldwide 😂
Iran and the Netherlands say hello.
Canada, we are sorry. The British
Britain, that's our line. The Canadians
@stinkyroadhog1347 as your parent state...
Well played
I was there while watching this exact pacer entering the EMR Scrapyard in Tamworth. What a cool sight!
I genuinely love the Pacer train and I miss them. And yes I had the good fortune to commute on them in the 90’s/00’s.
I for one, liked the pacers. I often travelled on them in the Welsh valleys. I even went on the TFW pacer farewell tour, which i enjoyed.
The class 142: we make other trains look good
Nothing quite as terrifying as a Pacer going at full pelt through the Severn Tunnel. Never been so happy to see Sprinters take over a route.
@@southcalder at least they got rid of slam door trains if they didn't they would be here still
Here from Vancouver! it's interesting that THIS was the train they sent over here, instead of any other of any of their much better trains.
The line it ran on between New West/Abbotsford is the former British Columbia Electric Railway interurban, now the Southern Railway of BC/SRY Rail Link shortline railroad
Boggles the mind really, as a Brit I'm ashamed we sent this "thing" when we should have sent a class 43 HST.
@@cccenturion4480 if they were trying to sell it here as an export product, it would've never worked
there's nothing for a train like the pacer to really do in north america, the railroads here are too specialized. (look to the Renaissance cars on VIA, the former Nightstar sleeper train cars, those are an absolute headache for them)
I love pacer trains😊
Me and my uncle rode this train during Expo86. The unit wasn't uncomfortable but it was travelling slowly as a sightseeing excursion and not an actual attempt at reintroducing commuter service. The line followed much of the BC Hydro Railway right-of-way, which was North America's longest interurban electric tram service (Vancouver-New Westminster-Abbotsford, 150km) which ended in 1959 with the "Rails to Rubber" conversion to buses. Today's SkyTrain S-bahn service started in 1986 and is only now being extended from Surrey to Langley, following the BCHydro original RoW.
Umm, WHAT?
North America's longest?
Sacremento Northern (295 km), Illinois Terminal (353.44 km), and others would like to say "hi"
Not the first time in the 20th Century the UK tried to enter the Canadian rail market: the prototype Deltic was to be tested by Canadian National but was damaged and thus the attempt was aborted.
Just imagine the Deltic in Canada
@@sglenny001would’ve been cool because Via Rail Canada bought the Nightstar Coaches so would’ve been like a British Trainset in Canada
@@TheRandCrews that's sounds amazing ngl
@@sglenny001poor thing would be wide open basically all the time. Also it doesn't have dynamic brakes so it would have been limited to passenger trains.
Ultimately I hated riding the pacer in peak times but I do miss seeing these on the rails. I don’t miss hearing them screech along the rails tho.
I'm surprised it was worth shipping back here. Don't they have scrapyards in Canada? Truly delusional to think anyone else would want these things. Even travelling on a preserved one is more depressing than nostalgic.
They should preserve at least one unit as a reminder of how not to do trains only Britain would concoct a passenger train from a freight chasis and body styled on a 1960s bus😂😂😂🤣
Would you murder me if I told you I liked them,
Then again I never had ti commute on them
@@toddhunter3137Have you seen _how many_ Pacers have been preserved?!?!
Why haven't they sent class 43's ?
The Fox Chase Rapid Transit Line in Philadelphia in the 90’s tested these as well. But they ended up just abandoning the whole thing due to low passenger numbers.
The Pacer car was an interesting vehicle as well. It too was a fishbowl on wheels.
If rail slander videos have taught me anything, it's that the designated fishbowl train is the 333.
Doesn't create a neat pairing with the car, though.
It's not just Canada. KTM Railways of Malaysia bought a metre-gauge version for their railways back in 1980's as well for testing too.
Apparently it didn't last long though and by the mid-1990's it was most likely cut up for scrap after sitting unused for ages.
We sent it to Canada for a laugh.
Am I the only one who miss these trains 😶
Put a pacer on a flat car fully assembled and it still doesn't exceed the height of a North American auto carrier... I think that perfectly sums up the difference between British and NA loading gauge...
Like all stopgap solutions, it stuck around for a while longer than intended.
Canada Got The 88th Out Of 96 Pacers Made By Leyland
The Pacer Is Not A Train, It’s A Rail-Guided Bus That Uses The Underframe
According To The Principal Of The British Railway Pacer
Rail-Guided Road Vehicles Require Underframes To Run On Either The E&CR Or Irish Rail
E&CR Stands For The “English & Celtic Railways”
The E&CR = British Rail + Sodor Railway + BR’s Irish Route (Not Irish Rail)
Rail-Guided Road Vehicles Are Only To Be Used On Railways Without An Underframe In Mainlander Countries (Spain, France, Italy, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Holland, Canada, U.S.A., Etc.)
Trains Station Platforms In These Countries Are Either At Ground Level Or Railway Level In Order To Make Ways For Freight Trains, In These Ways You Can Run Any Rail-Guided Road Vehicle On These Railways Without The Underframe As The Requirement, Because They’re Accessible At These Platforms
Rail-Guided Road Vehicles Are Only Accessible To Train Station Platforms At Either Ground Or Railway Levels, Unless You Install An Underframe Like That Of The British Railway Pacer, So That Any Rail-Guided Road Vehicle Would Have An Accessibility To Train Station Platforms At Their Standard Level, Like Those Of Both Britain & Ireland
Rail-Guided Road Vehicles Are Also To Be Used On Tramways Around The Globe
E&CR’s Motorised People Movers For Goods Trains
German: Wagon & Mechanical Engineering
Dennis Wickham & Company
Park Royal Vehicles
Automobile Carriers Ltd.
Dennis Wickham (Revised) One Named “Elliot”
Drewry Car Company
UK’s Rail-Guided Buses
Leyland Experimental Vehicle
Dennis Wickham LEV
Leyland National Rail-Guide “R3” (Underframed)
RBxxx Intercity (Nicknamed: 🇩🇰)
RBxxx Footboard (“RB004”)
RBxxx Official (Classified: “141”)
Leyland National Train (Classified: “140”)
Leyland Pacer (Classified: “142”)
Barclay / Alexander Pacer (Classified: “143”)
Walter Alexander Pacer (Classified: “144”)
Cab Car Consists
Driving Motors
Driving Motors, Wheelchair Spaces
Driving Motors, Lavatories
Driving Motor (Quad) = 4DMs
Driving Motor (Quad): Wheelchair Spaces
Driving Motor, Lavatory (Quad)
Driving Motor (Quad) With A Lavatory
DML (Quad) With A Wheelchair Space
Driving Motor (Treduple) = 6DMs
Driving Motor (Treduple), Wheelchair Spaces
Driving Motor, Lavatory (Treduple)
Driving Motor (Treduple) With A Lavatory
DML (Treduple) With A Wheelchair Space
DM (Quad) + DMs (Wheelchair Space)
DM (Quad) + DMs (Lavatory)
8 Driving Motors
Ten Driving Motors
Twelve Driving Motors
Twensief Driving Motors
And So Forth
Treduple = Three Doubles = Sixfold (6)
Twensief = 2 x 7 = Fourteen (Ten > 4)
Consistencies
3 Cars Or More
Instead of the Class 142 Pacers getting scrapped which sadly they have gone for scrap. Perhaps they could have been transported by sea to Canada to be used in Canada.
Opal Mints were also converted to Pacers, but they proved so unpopular that they were discontinued in 1985.
Sadly they never made it to Expo 88, otherwise the history of ugly, boxy, square things with stripes down their sides could have been so different!!
Welp,now I guess I can now get a model of the pacer and it would still be accurate if I ran it on my layout cause I model british columbia lol
Ohhhh dear! What have we done 🇬🇧 😅 ?
That is a crazy idea ( with 3 foot Canadian snowdrifts 😝 ) .... ( ? ) ................... DAVE™🛑
British power not being designed for mountainous terrain! Who would have thought?
Surprised it didn't spontaneously combust going up the rockies.
The only train with a bsi coupler went alone to Canada
You'd thought we'd send a class 156 instead
The pacers were reliable old trains they served the Welsh valley lines here in Wales for 30 years they were hammered and gave fantastic service miss these old awesome trains far better than some of the modern rubbish running on the network today the class 197 junk running in Wales are far worse than any pacer unit
There not the worst there better than 195s and I think they would do well with Via rail
With the canadian/american fishplates not lining up line those on the uk it must have offered a harsh ride.
sp under rated - Its easy to forget what the pacer/railbus offered BR and local communities at the time.
Turns out a buss makes a bad train
Even if you forced a diesel engine on a 1984 UTDC Mark 1 it would be better
Poor Canucks
Also wasn't it California that tried a single car version of this for their local metro system? But eventually said no thanks, because of it's lack of accessibility issues.
Philadelphia
The Pacers were so awful they were brilliant.
Well, they must’ve learnt from it because now Britain now sends its best Trains the HST Abroad and leaves its rubbish at home in Britain
The question 🙋♂️ is it true that the 2 car class 142 pacer trains 🚊 🚆 🚂 have went to Canada 🇨🇦? Perhaps 🤔 it must have happened. The FGW - First Great Western seats 💺 were on the 7 x 2 crappy 💩 car class 142 pacer trains 🚂 🚊 🚆 are 142001/009/029/030/063/064/068 is because they were on a long term sublease from NT - Northern to FGW - First Great Western from Monday 3rd 🥉 of December 2007 until three 3️⃣ separate dates 📅 📆 are Wednesday 19th of October 2011 are class 142029/064, Sunday 27th of November 2011 are 142009/030 and finally until Wednesday 30th November 2011 are 142001/063/068. The short term loan 💸 💵 2 car class 142 pacer trains 🚂 🚊 🚆 are from Monday 3rd 🥉 of December 2007 until early December 2008 are the 5 x crappy 2 car class 142 pacer trains 🚂 🚊 🚆 are 142004/028/028/062/067 that had musty seats 💺. All pacer trains 🚊 🚆 🚂 have standard class accommodation only and are second generation DMU - Diesel ⛽️ Multiple Unit trains 🚂 🚊 🚆 . They are class 140 -144 pacer trains 🚂 🚊 🚆 were last used in Wales 🏴 named TFW - Transport For Wales 🏴 on Saturday 29th of May 2021 is nearly 4 previous years ago when it comes to 2025. The pacer trains 🚂 🚊 🚆 are very bumpy, noisy 🗣️and bounce up ⬆️ 🔝 🆙 and down ⬇️ everyday that they feel uncomfortable 😣 😳 🥴. All pacer trains 🚂 🚊 🚆 have a toilet 🚾 🚻 🚽 in the DMSL - Driving Motor Standard Lavatory 🚾 🚽 🚻 , no smoking 🚭 accommodation is because it’s prohibited 🚫, open windows 🪟, automatic operating doors 🚪, hard seats 💺, a ladder 🪜 in the DMSL - Driving Motor Standard Lavatory 🚾 🚻 🚽 , fire 🔥 extinguisher 🧯, luggage 🧳 rack, no carpet, without central heating and it feels cold 🥶 inside the train 🚂 🚊 🚆. Don’t worry 😉 about the crappy 💩 2 car class 142 pacer trains 🚂 🚊 🚆 is because they aren’t part of BR - British 🇬🇧 Rail anymore. Plenty of the most of the crappy 💩 2 car class 142 pacer trains 🚂 🚊 🚆 have previously gone to scrapyard. Good 👍 😌 😊. It serves them right. Middle finger 🖕to the crappy 💩 2 car class 142 pacer trains 🚂 🚊 🚆. 👍 😄 😃 😁
The North Americans got their own back by shipping over those awful Boeing LRVs (tram, not Lunar Rover Vehicle) to Manchester. Thankfully no more than 2 ever arrived.
These rusty old rotters seem to get everywhere.. it wasn't bad enough that they made the people of Northern England suffer with these nasty unsafe trains but they wanna make the Canadians suffer it too. 😂😂😂
Hardly unsafe trains they have years of reliable service pacers. We're great trains
We sent it to Canada for a laugh.