Apparently tank flamethowers were excellent at producing surrenders if you just rolled up and shot a bunch of fire that intentionally fell short. Everyone looked at the massive fireball display and just went "fuck that."
It probably helped that many of the “German” soldiers in pillboxes on the Western front of WW2 were actually conscripts from conquered nations, instead of the more, uh, “ideologically committed” units
From my experience, just explain to them that you have the high-ground. Feeling trapped, this will either provoke them to charge at you, making them easy to take down or will result in their peaceful surrender. I actually did my Jedi Masters thesis on psychological warfare and negotiation, so I'm glad I could provide some advice on the topic.
If you could please begin research on why during the 1st Battle of Geonosis, both sides armed with long range weapons still just ran straight at each other in a giant line.
@@Justin_Taylor The most charitable guess you could make is that because of how rushed the operation was and since the ones leading them were a melee focused super unit, the republic thought the best option was a full frontal assault trying to mow down as many CIS units and structures as possible before they could escape the planet. Plus there's the thing that these are droids and clones (read: disposable) and thus leadership considered it as much loss of life as you would throwing a butch of drones with 9mm at the enemy base until everything is dead.
The who to surrender to is vital. In WWII German soldiers and leadership hightailed it west so they could surrender to the Allies instead of the Soviets.
It's really sort of amazing how eager we were to put WW2 German leadership into Cold War NATO leadership. Might even look bad if you didn't already inherently know that you were the good guys.
The Germans in WWII is probably a bad example. Nazism was all about blood and soil, which extended into the military. So divisions were assembled of men largely from the same towns. It was very common to either be childhood friends with the men in the fox hole with you, or at least be childhood friends with their other family members. Giving them an unusually strong bond and sense of camaraderie and duty. And because of this, Germany had very low rates of surrender, high cohesion, and typically persevered above and beyond what you would expect a military unit to general do in the face of overwhelming adversity.
The German even experimented with brigade and even divisional level rotations to try instead of individual unit replacements. It was a massive strain on manpower and for the Germans wasn’t worth it tbh.
"Don't do the war crime, and they WILL do surrender time." *...Damn it.* So we can't get any prisoners to give us intel? I wish I had known that BEFORE I brought extra grenades, explosives, nerve agents, and ammo.
Wait I'm actually curious do war prisoners do some work like cook food for enemy forces eat and chill in the prison like most other prisons? I don't really know about war stuff
@@cheems6193 It depends really. Ranges anywhere from being treated better than the natives of the country that captured you to being used as forced labour with an expiry date of maybe a week or so.
Or just reward entire armies to surrender by being peaceful and reasonable to POWs. In Band of Brothers there's a seen where like 100k German Soldiers surrender. Huge W for the Allies fighting on the Western front not having to deal with a battle that could last months to years. Committing war crimes just emboldens people and make them rebel against you. Being nice to someone makes them a lot more cooperative. This is why cops get snitches snacks, money, and protection from criminal charges while they chat. You're more likely to fight to the death of you know the enemy is torturing soldiers and other war crimes.
I think it also probably depends on the nature of the enemy's society. If their society is one of distrust, backstabbing, and manipulation, it might be harder to get them to surrender as they'd fear that they'd just be getting tricked.
I would question how a society operating on those kinds of principles could field an effective military force in the first place. The Skaven are not real. And even within their fiction they have a bunch of "cheats" that let them succeed, despite their constant self-sabotage.
Damn, I guess that can apply to the entire civilized world. I mean folks in America might backstab each other, folks in East European are notorious for deception and theft, folks in North and South Asia are hyper vigilant of fraud, it makes sense.
You really overestimate how much that sort of thing exists. In literally any war you will have more in common with an ordinary enemy soldier than your commanding officer, materially speaking. North Koreans aren't the fucking Skaven
btw the one reason germans didn't give up was mainly that the consequences of surrendering without orders from high command could lead to some very bad repercussions for not only them but also the family at home, the "best" consequence was instant death. one of my ancestors was in the luftwaffe and a few weeks before the war ended he decied to make a run for it, afterall all the planes where grounded or shot down anyways, but his former "friends" decided to fire the flakguns into the forrest, killing him.
If you're not prepared to lose everything then don't be on a battlefield. Soldiers don't know what they sign up for. There's a war film that comes to mind. All quiet on the westen front? I think it's that one.
@taramaforhaikido7272 When you graduate from middle school and stop larping in the youtube comments you should open a dictionary and read the entry on conscription.
@@Pacemaker_fgc Do you have anything useful to say? I've saved lives. What have you accompished? Come back to me when you get results instead of making excuses. You don't learn the real lessons in school either.
People often lose their reputation because they are too concerned about their self image. The only reputation worth having is an honest one. Hide nothing. Admit everything. At least then people will know. People won't just fight and die for that. You can go as far as destroying peoples lives and still having them be your allies. Because in the end you're there when others weren't. Ever played Shadow of War? Sauron's methods are effective for a reason. It's the "allies" that turned on Talion. Moral high grounds don't cut it. Not when you run away from your problems. Not when you abandon people. Honestly, it makes one wonder if Sauron has a point. Hard to say if he wants to be beaten. What's known for sure is that he's going to want to use you. Who hasn't felt useless at some point? Pretty clever. Let the "allies" fight each other about moral high grounds then recruit those that were abandoned. If his entire plan is having a place for the lost then that's noteworthy. Chaos faction in warhammer also a good example. Even space marines and chaos can fight side by side too. All because of keeping ones word.
My favorite content of yours is when you blend the lofty abstract stuff to the real ground experience, like this video. I don’t think many people realize that the loftiest, most out there philosophy often either comes from, or has direct effect on the battlefield. Your piece on doctrine was like that, hitting on how it comes from the battlefield while also meaning to shape and inform it, but it can’t be informed by it while being dictated by it, and there’s no point dictating jt, if it’s always changing and we’re hoping to learn from it, etc etc etc All these lessons translate to other spheres of life too. Great job man. Keep these coming.
3:08 I guess it was a joke but prohibitive child labor laws were legislated in most Western countries by early 20th century so I don't think thinking they belong to factories was considered a mental disorder in the 1940s.
I play a game called 'Arma Reforger', a sort of military simulator game. It has features and community modifications which allow you to heal, talk to, emote to, and carry other players (including enemies). What I usually do is, in combat, follow the Geneva Convention as I remember it. If an enemy is incapacitated and I am within six feet, I usually try to help them and offer their surrender with guarantee of freedom and good treatment. The utility of which is to get them to tell me where their friends are in the field, giving my team live intel. That's if I'm on the US side, if I'm on the other side I'm it's considered the Geneva Suggestion.
This just makes me think about the dozens of videos I’ve seen from the Russo Ukrainian war of soldiers trying desperately to surrender to a drone and then it mercs them anyways after taunting them. Absolute horrorshows of war crime when I’m casually doomscrolling before bed.
Hey Justin, you should do a viedo on the French Army Mutinies of 1917, it's a fascinating topic that relates to the part about losing faith in one's leaders but not losing cohesion
During the start of the Battle of the Bulge in front line American units were caught by surprise, outnumbered, outgunned in many cases and many were captured because there wasn't really time to consider other outcomes. Just imagine being a green troop, put out on a "quiet" part of the line to gain experience, you're sitting in your foxhole, and suddenly a massive artillery barrage comes down on your units positions, and then following right behind that were dozens of German heavy tanks and infantry with StG 44's were rushing right towards you and all you have is your M1.
Yeah right, that is the weak vigin way of making individuals surrender. A true chad commits the most atrocious warcrimes known to mankind, like impaling 20.000 POWs, making the entire enemy army give up and retreat.
That's works only if you fight other humans with morals, my great grandpa was captured by Hungarians during the push with the soviets, they have tortured him etc. funny enough one of his daughters married a Hungarian later one, he disowned her and nearly killed him.
With battles in utter sh*t conditions, like trench warfare in winter where it proper sucks to be a Soldier. I’ve thought the best way to make the enemy surrender is send POW’s to a 5 star luxury country club or cruise ship. With a private en-suite room, king size bed, the best heating / aircon system, all the movie and sports channel packages on tv and most importantly the best food they’ve ever eaten. Give them indoctrination that the POW camp country club looks after them better than their own Generals do. Keep the POWs there for a while until they get used to the good life, then send them back to their front lines in a prisoner exchange with a promise that if they refer a friend, they can come back and get the presidential honeymoon suite. Make them think, why am I in this cold wet trench eating one cold MRE a day when I could be in that PoW country club / cruise liner instead?
Yeah, think nowadays most soldiers have a pretty good idea of what the enemy is like. Of course there's still propaganda but there's only so much lying you can do with the internet and world wide news. Lot of wars in the past though they had no real way of getting information about what other countries were like.
Out of the 5 rules you gave, it becomes pretty evident why Germans in WWII were so hesitant generally to surrender to the Soviets: the Red Army broke at least numbers 4 and 5 and often 3 as well, though to their credit they tried their hand at psyops like the broadcasts in Stalingrad telling the Germans in their own language that every 7 seconds a German soldier dies with a ticking clock in the background. The belief was strong amongst German troops that surrender meant spending the rest of your life as a slave in a gulag or just outright murdered, to the point that one common slogan or battlecry in the last several months was Sieg oder Sibirien (Victory or Siberia). Part of this was the German propaganda machine trying to bash it into their heads that literally Germany as a concept would cease to exist if it got overrun but the propaganda in fact got a lot of help from the Soviets themselves. In October 1944 the Red Army entered core German land via East Prussia and captured some km's of ground and a few towns and cities but a determined counterattack threw them back east part of the way, allowing German troops and correspondents to see how horribly the Soviets treated the German civilians in the captured ground- pictures soon started circulating of the gruesome dead including females, victims of unspeakable acts. While there were a lot of reasons for it, ultimately the brutal behavior of the Soviet troops, while arguably justified by the crimes committed by the Germans in their land, wrote into stone the general desire among the German forces to not surrender until they saw that they had genuinely no other option and units started surrendering en masse in April and May 1945. Of course it could be said that the Germans also broke these rules and yet took so many prisoners in the early years but I think that is largely due to their military success at that time. They were simply so efficient at destroying, routing or disorganizing the enemy that they saw no choice but stop fighting while they could from rock bottom morale, much like other campaigns like the Iraq wars.
so in a short sentence summery what I got was: a force with depression and the belief that they have a high chance of non-existing has a higher chance to surrender and the contrast, a highly motivated and high resolve force will much more likely surrender less anyway, however you put it, taking this from a ww2 veteran that war IS worse than hell because it is a waste of so many human lives and the costs are astronomical in all factors from the food, land, people, welfare, etc that could have been invested somewhere more positive for the people involved in it Jesus said, “Blessed are the peacemakers (armed forces), because they will be called sons of God” Matthew 5:9 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. Matthew 5:38-39 "He has brought back their wickedness upon them And will destroy them in their evil; The Lord our God will destroy them." 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12:21 ESV translations the force that makes the opposing force surrender must make it known that they will be in good hands and good care
Life is cheap. That's the thing. And what do people even live for anyway? Want to know the real reason for "pointless" wars? Other then greed. It comes down to our most basic resource. Food. If there weren't wars then people wouldn't die in high numbers. If people didn't die in high numbers there would be mass starvation. China has to expand their borders. One of the most overpopulated countries on the planet. So either you have the pointess wars, or you expand until war comes to you. Either way it's coming. Doesn't mean YOU have to be a part of it. But it's going to be the same cycle regardless.
Actually what happens with Veterans after they seen too much combat is that they become apathic. They do not care about anything the outcome of the war etc. They will be like drones. Not very effetive but also not very likely to surrender. Also the more motivated and clueless people will be dis-heartened by reality. And the more pessimistic people actually will be confimred and less likey phazed by war. So the war propaganda by the enemy hiding reality to their soldiers and population will be your ammunition just by showing the truth.
After studying military science in the well-earned rank of arm-chair general, I came to a conclusion that war isn't about killing at all. Like MCDP 1 Warfighting says, war is the clash of wills. Violence is purely one of the possible manifestations of that clash. That's the reason war is so difficult to analyze and study. We don't even know what the fuck a single will is, much less what happens when you clash them together with the subjective consciousness and all that stuff suddenly making the Hard Question of Consciousness many times harder. For one, who is a better commander: a) the one who decimated the enemy unit and any civilians that came to his path, causing most death but also enraging the rest of the army and causing a bunch of new volunteers to manifest when their father/brother/mother was killed; b) the one who killed only those who actively displayed intent to attack and took the rest prisoner, treated them humanely and with dignity and caused the rest of the army to realize perhaps surrender is worth it; c) the one who managed to convert the entire army unit, thus multiplying his own force, gaining a bunch of gear, intel and causing the rest of the army seriously question why not just turn coats. The third one killed 0 people and yet I'd argue he's the most successful of all the commanders.
This subject quickly becomes dark territory once these theories get applied to practical circumstances in the field, where you have the enemy's enticing cajoling to give up fighting on one side and draconian methods of dissuading desertion on the other. Basically it's Goebbels, well known German propaganda minister working in the civilian area. But more to the point, it is Ilja Ehrenburg, Goebbel's counterpart on the Soviet side, whose focus was much more on boosting fighting morale in the troops by instilling fear, than on how to keep them from deserting by instilling confidence, and to whom the vengeful brutality displayed by (and against) the russian soldiers (by the political commisars in NKVD) is attributed.
So in theory the best tactic is to wait for an enemy to entrench then besiege them, no way of fighting effectively when trapped on all sides, going to starve, hiding isnt doing much
War psychology is awesome. I first heard about it from lindybeige. Then I saw you in Chris Cappy's Task &Purpose. This is the first video I see from you. Very cool.
Sun Tsu was right about one thing: If you do not give them even the slightest hint of being able to escape etc they will fight to the death as they see no way out when trapped.
Even though it might be dense and challenging, have you ever considered reading through a "foundational" book on war, say The Art of War, and going chapter or section by section? Or even the highlights of a specific book?
"Low Deseration rates" KEKW Until 1943 Everyone fought they were winning then the Tides turned and in 1944-45 nobody except recruits lied to by recruiters believed in a German victory anymore, however thousands of deserters were shot by their officers or hunted down by Military Police and even best par of it persecuted in the Federal Republic of Germany after 1945 and up into modern day for "Desertation" to bring that into perspective. Sorry for the rant but context matters to everything as you surely point out as well , right. Cheers. PS: siderant: Oh and even if you surrendered on top of that you'd be shot by the Allies most of the time, especially if you were a tanker(cause theyd mistake the black uniforms for SS uniforms or hate you for HE shelling whole battalions of infantry) or mg gunner or had flamethrower equipment on you and werent wearing any kind officers uniform or you'll starve to death in Soviet Prison Camps, not out of spite by the Soviets but because they could not logistically handle it and feed you properly.
The "POW bank" only works if the enemy values their soldiers. The russian army does not seem to value their soldiers very much, although based on the images and video shown of russians who have been captured, they're not exactly the cream of the Red Army crop! It does seem like the better russian units either do not surrender, or do not get into situations where they may have to consider it very often.
In order to make soldiers surrender or to make them dance the Nutcracker in a pink dress, you have to get the ruler to type these orders into his magical suppression system.
I always figured if fighting North Korean soldiers the best thing to do is offer them food if they surrender. A western POW camp may actually be preferable to a NK soldier to whatever they have back home. So in some instances yeah offering them better conditions, works really well when fighting poor countries.
Also, running away and falling down a hill while the rest of your squad suddenly retire might win you a Medal of Honor. The rules really are made up and the points never mattered.
@@Modelstl063 When there is no immediate reason to like I said in the video. One can also imagine countries like North Korea punishing those who surrender rather than die in place if/when repatriated
@@Justin_TaylorIt's not a dictatorship exclusive, in my country you aren't legally allowed to surrender ever, if you do and get repratiated you'll be met by a firing squad charged with treason.
This scene appears to be from the movie The Wind and the Lion (1975), directed by John Milius. The scene depicts U.S. Navy sailors in white uniforms and carrying a mounted machine gun, consistent with a sequence in the film where U.S. forces land in Morocco. Let me know if you'd like more details about the movie!
Hey Ryan, I would suggest taking Thayer Road down to the main gate, after which do not turn around, make all purchases in cash, get a burner phone, and legally change your name.
"psyops isn't what you think" Anybody think that isn't being used on us today? Anybody here thinking our sworn adversaries might actually be innocent victims? That they hold the moral high ground?
When you at the 4 minute mark talk about how you know of no country that don't have death penalty for deserting, surrendering and so on you could have found several if you did a quick search. I know that we in Sweden abolished the death penalty for soldiers in wartime in 1973, slightly over 50 tears after it was abolished for civilians. Since 75 it is expressly forbidden as a penalty in our constitution. As for the rest of the world, it is not easy to get exact numbers but according to one report I found from 2022 112 countries have abolished death penalty completely, that includes in war and for everyone no matter the crime. That is, the majority of the worlds countries have no death penalty at all, some have it for crimes during exceptional times (like war) and only around one in four actually have it for crimes in peace time.
It isn’t propaganda if it’s true. Comparing it to the material the US produces is also funny. Show me the US equivalent of the NK American war times museum. Having our own interests also isn’t wrong or immoral; we are a nation of hundreds of millions and hold a significant bulk of the worlds population.
You can't force control. Fear is not control. Let people come and go as they please. Either people follow you or they walk their own path. I employ Death's methods from Puss in Boots. I'm not nice about it. I'm honest. There's a difference.
@@Justin_Taylor you should be flattered you look like Donut Operator. He is about 63, and is handsome as hell at any age. You have a long career of that ahead of you 😆
INB4 “Wtf why did he put the five steps at the end and not the very beginning of the video”
Skibidy toilet, ''why did he put the five steps at the end and not the very beginning of the video?''
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4 Options: Fight, Flee, Surrender, or Posture
Yeah,.....😅
@@Marinealver 5 Options: Fight, Flee, Surrender, Posture, or 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂
Apparently tank flamethowers were excellent at producing surrenders if you just rolled up and shot a bunch of fire that intentionally fell short. Everyone looked at the massive fireball display and just went "fuck that."
Accorting to Lindybeige, it was "the most effective weapon of World War Two". He has a great video about it.
I can see that…
It probably helped that many of the “German” soldiers in pillboxes on the Western front of WW2 were actually conscripts from conquered nations, instead of the more, uh, “ideologically committed” units
@@alexroselle lovely phrasing on that, very nice
"Did that armor kill any enemies?"
"No, *but it looked fuckin' badass!"*
From my experience, just explain to them that you have the high-ground. Feeling trapped, this will either provoke them to charge at you, making them easy to take down or will result in their peaceful surrender.
I actually did my Jedi Masters thesis on psychological warfare and negotiation, so I'm glad I could provide some advice on the topic.
If you could please begin research on why during the 1st Battle of Geonosis, both sides armed with long range weapons still just ran straight at each other in a giant line.
This made me laugh out loud
"I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND!"
"DON'T TRY IT!!!"
"I AM WARNING YOU"
Ah, the negotiator
@@Justin_Taylor The most charitable guess you could make is that because of how rushed the operation was and since the ones leading them were a melee focused super unit, the republic thought the best option was a full frontal assault trying to mow down as many CIS units and structures as possible before they could escape the planet. Plus there's the thing that these are droids and clones (read: disposable) and thus leadership considered it as much loss of life as you would throwing a butch of drones with 9mm at the enemy base until everything is dead.
UA-cam has the most helpful tutorials.
Yes, thanks to this video I managed to get the enemy tank battalion in my backyard to surrender yesterday.
@@goki6548 I've been stuck in a hostage situation for weeks. Now, I've finally got the Black Ops Squad off my back.
Best goddamn comment, ever.
The who to surrender to is vital. In WWII German soldiers and leadership hightailed it west so they could surrender to the Allies instead of the Soviets.
It's really sort of amazing how eager we were to put WW2 German leadership into Cold War NATO leadership. Might even look bad if you didn't already inherently know that you were the good guys.
Soviets were also Allies. You mean Western Allies.
@@Name-ot3xw Experience is valuable and by then the Soviets were the bad guys.
@@noreply-7069 That's why I used the "gee gosh golly" phrasing, because I know in the current zeitgeist the WW2 Germans were the good guys.
What the fuck do you mean the Nazis were the good guys?
The Germans in WWII is probably a bad example. Nazism was all about blood and soil, which extended into the military. So divisions were assembled of men largely from the same towns. It was very common to either be childhood friends with the men in the fox hole with you, or at least be childhood friends with their other family members. Giving them an unusually strong bond and sense of camaraderie and duty. And because of this, Germany had very low rates of surrender, high cohesion, and typically persevered above and beyond what you would expect a military unit to general do in the face of overwhelming adversity.
Definitely one of the toughest forces in all of history, pound for pound.
Ja ja die gute alte Zeit 😂 Just kidding 😂
well, that was true at the beginning of the war anyway...
They knew what happened to POWs in soviet control. They knew what happened to POWs they took.
The German even experimented with brigade and even divisional level rotations to try instead of individual unit replacements. It was a massive strain on manpower and for the Germans wasn’t worth it tbh.
"Don't do the war crime, and they WILL do surrender time."
*...Damn it.*
So we can't get any prisoners to give us intel?
I wish I had known that BEFORE I brought extra grenades, explosives, nerve agents, and ammo.
I mean you can definitely find a use for the first second and fourth thing
Wait I'm actually curious do war prisoners do some work like cook food for enemy forces eat and chill in the prison like most other prisons? I don't really know about war stuff
@@cheems6193 It depends really. Ranges anywhere from being treated better than the natives of the country that captured you to being used as forced labour with an expiry date of maybe a week or so.
Or just reward entire armies to surrender by being peaceful and reasonable to POWs.
In Band of Brothers there's a seen where like 100k German Soldiers surrender. Huge W for the Allies fighting on the Western front not having to deal with a battle that could last months to years.
Committing war crimes just emboldens people and make them rebel against you. Being nice to someone makes them a lot more cooperative. This is why cops get snitches snacks, money, and protection from criminal charges while they chat. You're more likely to fight to the death of you know the enemy is torturing soldiers and other war crimes.
@@nicobenji0248My brother did prisoner escort and confirmed something that I figured... a cigarette and water goes further than torture.
I think it also probably depends on the nature of the enemy's society. If their society is one of distrust, backstabbing, and manipulation, it might be harder to get them to surrender as they'd fear that they'd just be getting tricked.
I would question how a society operating on those kinds of principles could field an effective military force in the first place.
The Skaven are not real. And even within their fiction they have a bunch of "cheats" that let them succeed, despite their constant self-sabotage.
Idk man look up the video "why modern Arab militaries suck" and they surrendered in DROVES.
Damn, I guess that can apply to the entire civilized world. I mean folks in America might backstab each other, folks in East European are notorious for deception and theft, folks in North and South Asia are hyper vigilant of fraud, it makes sense.
@@discerningmood2674don't forget governments going after their families
You really overestimate how much that sort of thing exists. In literally any war you will have more in common with an ordinary enemy soldier than your commanding officer, materially speaking. North Koreans aren't the fucking Skaven
Thank you for this amazing tutorial! I’ll make sure to try this next time!!☺️☺️😉
Step 6: Promise a cat girl wifu and a dodge challenger at only 12%.
Cat girl?!?? ONLY 12%?!??!!!? YOU GOT A DEAL
They’ll see that 12% interest rate and think it’s a trap. No Dodge Challenger outside an Army Camp is that cheap.
@@notmenotme614 yeah that's not passing the sniff test!
2 in 3 doubt till one takes the deal, once they see him get exactly what's promised you'll run out of cat gorls fast better stock up
i jus need someone to love me
btw the one reason germans didn't give up was mainly that the consequences of surrendering without orders from high command could lead to some very bad repercussions for not only them but also the family at home, the "best" consequence was instant death.
one of my ancestors was in the luftwaffe and a few weeks before the war ended he decied to make a run for it, afterall all the planes where grounded or shot down anyways, but his former "friends" decided to fire the flakguns into the forrest, killing him.
There's also evidence that shows that if the war had been prolonged a few more months the Army would have collapsed from surrender and desertion.
If you're not prepared to lose everything then don't be on a battlefield.
Soldiers don't know what they sign up for. There's a war film that comes to mind. All quiet on the westen front? I think it's that one.
@taramaforhaikido7272 When you graduate from middle school and stop larping in the youtube comments you should open a dictionary and read the entry on conscription.
@@Pacemaker_fgc Do you have anything useful to say?
I've saved lives. What have you accompished? Come back to me when you get results instead of making excuses. You don't learn the real lessons in school either.
@@taramaforhaikido7272 I've given children the ability to hear. You pretend to be pubescent on the internet.
Keep your reputation high so they can actually trust you eith their lives
People often lose their reputation because they are too concerned about their self image.
The only reputation worth having is an honest one. Hide nothing. Admit everything. At least then people will know. People won't just fight and die for that. You can go as far as destroying peoples lives and still having them be your allies. Because in the end you're there when others weren't.
Ever played Shadow of War? Sauron's methods are effective for a reason. It's the "allies" that turned on Talion. Moral high grounds don't cut it. Not when you run away from your problems. Not when you abandon people.
Honestly, it makes one wonder if Sauron has a point. Hard to say if he wants to be beaten. What's known for sure is that he's going to want to use you. Who hasn't felt useless at some point? Pretty clever. Let the "allies" fight each other about moral high grounds then recruit those that were abandoned. If his entire plan is having a place for the lost then that's noteworthy.
Chaos faction in warhammer also a good example. Even space marines and chaos can fight side by side too. All because of keeping ones word.
My favorite content of yours is when you blend the lofty abstract stuff to the real ground experience, like this video. I don’t think many people realize that the loftiest, most out there philosophy often either comes from, or has direct effect on the battlefield.
Your piece on doctrine was like that, hitting on how it comes from the battlefield while also meaning to shape and inform it, but it can’t be informed by it while being dictated by it, and there’s no point dictating jt, if it’s always changing and we’re hoping to learn from it, etc etc etc
All these lessons translate to other spheres of life too. Great job man. Keep these coming.
Free red bull and smokes this way, check gear at the door.
“Being Irish” 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah we weren't beneficiaries of the empire. Fuck that.
i thought the 5 steps were Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive, and…. Dodge. welp here i was wrong all along again.
3:08 I guess it was a joke but prohibitive child labor laws were legislated in most Western countries by early 20th century so I don't think thinking they belong to factories was considered a mental disorder in the 1940s.
An American woman during FDR times I think was responsible for that
I play a game called 'Arma Reforger', a sort of military simulator game. It has features and community modifications which allow you to heal, talk to, emote to, and carry other players (including enemies). What I usually do is, in combat, follow the Geneva Convention as I remember it. If an enemy is incapacitated and I am within six feet, I usually try to help them and offer their surrender with guarantee of freedom and good treatment. The utility of which is to get them to tell me where their friends are in the field, giving my team live intel. That's if I'm on the US side, if I'm on the other side I'm it's considered the Geneva Suggestion.
I play on a fluga server and i make it historicaly accurate
(I meet allah and take them with me)
Geneva checklist, maybe?
@@stanislavyackon1887 if you’re Canadian.
The world if the Geneva Convention was not looked as a suggestion: 🌎
The world if war crimes didn’t exist: 🌎
But do your allies not shoot the enemy after you capture them?
instruction unclear, he shots me 3 times
Sir your mustache seems like it's trying to escape
I was in for 10 years desperately trying to get all of these points across as a paralegal to MP's.
honestly love your vids man, so informative, fun and chill :D
This just makes me think about the dozens of videos I’ve seen from the Russo Ukrainian war of soldiers trying desperately to surrender to a drone and then it mercs them anyways after taunting them. Absolute horrorshows of war crime when I’m casually doomscrolling before bed.
Hey Justin, you should do a viedo on the French Army Mutinies of 1917, it's a fascinating topic that relates to the part about losing faith in one's leaders but not losing cohesion
Writing that down for future topics
During the start of the Battle of the Bulge in front line American units were caught by surprise, outnumbered, outgunned in many cases and many were captured because there wasn't really time to consider other outcomes. Just imagine being a green troop, put out on a "quiet" part of the line to gain experience, you're sitting in your foxhole, and suddenly a massive artillery barrage comes down on your units positions, and then following right behind that were dozens of German heavy tanks and infantry with StG 44's were rushing right towards you and all you have is your M1.
"Don't do warcrimes"
Me, a Nightlord fan: I didn't hear that.
Yeah right, that is the weak vigin way of making individuals surrender. A true chad commits the most atrocious warcrimes known to mankind, like impaling 20.000 POWs, making the entire enemy army give up and retreat.
Those uhhh.. those were not POWs that vlad impaled but just regular people
@@BusinessWolf1I was gonna say 😂😂 kid wants to be the next Dracula
Wtf why did he put the five steps at the end and not the very beginning of the video
Hey, my employer does all 5 to me.
To get you to surrender... your time
So you watch the whole video 🙂
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I was about to turn it off, thanks gosh there is steps
This is a refreshing topic to see and very informative! Keep up the good work dude :)
That's works only if you fight other humans with morals, my great grandpa was captured by Hungarians during the push with the soviets, they have tortured him etc. funny enough one of his daughters married a Hungarian later one, he disowned her and nearly killed him.
Step 1: tickle tickle
He said no war crimes
I'd assume having infantry acting in hate wishing for revenge or retaliation is one of the largest problem keeping the enemy from surrendering.
Brilliant Tutorial to take POWs 😁👍 the rules surprisingly are similar to my shift rules in Kindergarten 😂
With battles in utter sh*t conditions, like trench warfare in winter where it proper sucks to be a Soldier. I’ve thought the best way to make the enemy surrender is send POW’s to a 5 star luxury country club or cruise ship. With a private en-suite room, king size bed, the best heating / aircon system, all the movie and sports channel packages on tv and most importantly the best food they’ve ever eaten. Give them indoctrination that the POW camp country club looks after them better than their own Generals do. Keep the POWs there for a while until they get used to the good life, then send them back to their front lines in a prisoner exchange with a promise that if they refer a friend, they can come back and get the presidential honeymoon suite.
Make them think, why am I in this cold wet trench eating one cold MRE a day when I could be in that PoW country club / cruise liner instead?
Gotta be credible.
As someone who got trench foot at my civilian job I can confirm this would work
Another thing about 91'. The Iraqis were told we'd straight up urder them if the surrendered. They were shocked when they got treated well.
Yeah, think nowadays most soldiers have a pretty good idea of what the enemy is like. Of course there's still propaganda but there's only so much lying you can do with the internet and world wide news. Lot of wars in the past though they had no real way of getting information about what other countries were like.
Out of the 5 rules you gave, it becomes pretty evident why Germans in WWII were so hesitant generally to surrender to the Soviets: the Red Army broke at least numbers 4 and 5 and often 3 as well, though to their credit they tried their hand at psyops like the broadcasts in Stalingrad telling the Germans in their own language that every 7 seconds a German soldier dies with a ticking clock in the background. The belief was strong amongst German troops that surrender meant spending the rest of your life as a slave in a gulag or just outright murdered, to the point that one common slogan or battlecry in the last several months was Sieg oder Sibirien (Victory or Siberia). Part of this was the German propaganda machine trying to bash it into their heads that literally Germany as a concept would cease to exist if it got overrun but the propaganda in fact got a lot of help from the Soviets themselves. In October 1944 the Red Army entered core German land via East Prussia and captured some km's of ground and a few towns and cities but a determined counterattack threw them back east part of the way, allowing German troops and correspondents to see how horribly the Soviets treated the German civilians in the captured ground- pictures soon started circulating of the gruesome dead including females, victims of unspeakable acts. While there were a lot of reasons for it, ultimately the brutal behavior of the Soviet troops, while arguably justified by the crimes committed by the Germans in their land, wrote into stone the general desire among the German forces to not surrender until they saw that they had genuinely no other option and units started surrendering en masse in April and May 1945.
Of course it could be said that the Germans also broke these rules and yet took so many prisoners in the early years but I think that is largely due to their military success at that time. They were simply so efficient at destroying, routing or disorganizing the enemy that they saw no choice but stop fighting while they could from rock bottom morale, much like other campaigns like the Iraq wars.
I really like how down to earth you are.
"Sir, these Iraqis are trying to surrender"
"Well, we're unsurrendering them"
GK reference spotted
@@Justin_Taylor Police That Moustache!
This was a really fun vid; haven't seen anything like it before.
would love more like this about the psychological aspect of wartime stuff.
so in a short sentence summery what I got was: a force with depression and the belief that they have a high chance of non-existing has a higher chance to surrender and the contrast, a highly motivated and high resolve force will much more likely surrender less
anyway, however you put it, taking this from a ww2 veteran that war IS worse than hell because it is a waste of so many human lives and the costs are astronomical in all factors from the food, land, people, welfare, etc that could have been invested somewhere more positive for the people involved in it
Jesus said, “Blessed are the peacemakers (armed forces), because they will be called sons of God” Matthew 5:9
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. Matthew 5:38-39
"He has brought back their wickedness upon them And will destroy them in their evil; The Lord our God will destroy them."
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12:21 ESV translations
the force that makes the opposing force surrender must make it known that they will be in good hands and good care
Imagine having the balls to put words in GOD'S mouth. Lmfao. Same energy as the crazies outside abortion clinics.
Life is cheap. That's the thing. And what do people even live for anyway?
Want to know the real reason for "pointless" wars? Other then greed. It comes down to our most basic resource. Food. If there weren't wars then people wouldn't die in high numbers. If people didn't die in high numbers there would be mass starvation. China has to expand their borders. One of the most overpopulated countries on the planet.
So either you have the pointess wars, or you expand until war comes to you. Either way it's coming. Doesn't mean YOU have to be a part of it. But it's going to be the same cycle regardless.
Actually what happens with Veterans after they seen too much combat is that they become apathic. They do not care about anything the outcome of the war etc. They will be like drones. Not very effetive but also not very likely to surrender.
Also the more motivated and clueless people will be dis-heartened by reality. And the more pessimistic people actually will be confimred and less likey phazed by war. So the war propaganda by the enemy hiding reality to their soldiers and population will be your ammunition just by showing the truth.
After studying military science in the well-earned rank of arm-chair general, I came to a conclusion that war isn't about killing at all. Like MCDP 1 Warfighting says, war is the clash of wills. Violence is purely one of the possible manifestations of that clash. That's the reason war is so difficult to analyze and study. We don't even know what the fuck a single will is, much less what happens when you clash them together with the subjective consciousness and all that stuff suddenly making the Hard Question of Consciousness many times harder. For one, who is a better commander: a) the one who decimated the enemy unit and any civilians that came to his path, causing most death but also enraging the rest of the army and causing a bunch of new volunteers to manifest when their father/brother/mother was killed; b) the one who killed only those who actively displayed intent to attack and took the rest prisoner, treated them humanely and with dignity and caused the rest of the army to realize perhaps surrender is worth it; c) the one who managed to convert the entire army unit, thus multiplying his own force, gaining a bunch of gear, intel and causing the rest of the army seriously question why not just turn coats. The third one killed 0 people and yet I'd argue he's the most successful of all the commanders.
Military science? Were you in Russian or Soviet army ?
This subject quickly becomes dark territory once these theories get applied to practical circumstances in the field, where you have the enemy's enticing cajoling to give up fighting on one side and draconian methods of dissuading desertion on the other. Basically it's Goebbels, well known German propaganda minister working in the civilian area. But more to the point, it is Ilja Ehrenburg, Goebbel's counterpart on the Soviet side, whose focus was much more on boosting fighting morale in the troops by instilling fear, than on how to keep them from deserting by instilling confidence, and to whom the vengeful brutality displayed by (and against) the russian soldiers (by the political commisars in NKVD) is attributed.
So in theory the best tactic is to wait for an enemy to entrench then besiege them, no way of fighting effectively when trapped on all sides, going to starve, hiding isnt doing much
4:39 why isn't fleeing included as an option other than fight, hide or surrender ?
Counts as hide probably
I feel like the thing with the Russians trying to call your family would just piss you off though because they’re targeting your loved ones
You know what increases unhappiness the most? Annual Online Training!
This video is really well made! Why tf don’t you have more subscribers??
Wish I knew 🥲
War psychology is awesome. I first heard about it from lindybeige. Then I saw you in Chris Cappy's Task &Purpose. This is the first video I see from you. Very cool.
I also remember the phone tapping sound at MK in Romania😂
Sun Tsu was right about one thing: If you do not give them even the slightest hint of being able to escape etc they will fight to the death as they see no way out when trapped.
He was right about alot of things....for a book he wrote on about ancient warfare
Even though it might be dense and challenging, have you ever considered reading through a "foundational" book on war, say The Art of War, and going chapter or section by section? Or even the highlights of a specific book?
Bro. The art of war has like 20 chapters. Soldiers aren't known for their reading comprehension. That shit is direct and to the point.
The unit fulfilling a soldiers needs for affection is something the ancient Greeks knew a lot about...
Hey bud your stash is falling off
"Low Deseration rates" KEKW Until 1943 Everyone fought they were winning then the Tides turned and in 1944-45 nobody except recruits lied to by recruiters believed in a German victory anymore, however thousands of deserters were shot by their officers or hunted down by Military Police and even best par of it persecuted in the Federal Republic of Germany after 1945 and up into modern day for "Desertation" to bring that into perspective. Sorry for the rant but context matters to everything as you surely point out as well , right. Cheers.
PS: siderant: Oh and even if you surrendered on top of that you'd be shot by the Allies most of the time, especially if you were a tanker(cause theyd mistake the black uniforms for SS uniforms or hate you for HE shelling whole battalions of infantry) or mg gunner or had flamethrower equipment on you and werent wearing any kind officers uniform or you'll starve to death in Soviet Prison Camps, not out of spite by the Soviets but because they could not logistically handle it and feed you properly.
The "POW bank" only works if the enemy values their soldiers. The russian army does not seem to value their soldiers very much, although based on the images and video shown of russians who have been captured, they're not exactly the cream of the Red Army crop! It does seem like the better russian units either do not surrender, or do not get into situations where they may have to consider it very often.
In order to make soldiers surrender or to make them dance the Nutcracker in a pink dress, you have to get the ruler to type these orders into his magical suppression system.
Bruh, that coment at 3:03 about mental illness took me totally by surprise lol
"don't do War crimes" spot on advice
"Tell him free air force DFAC for life." ok on to the video.
Caveat: its on a joint base with army funding 😢
after cody ko went away, i have found my perfect substitute
Nah, I'm just gonna go out during the banzai charge.
Show them their president's "speech". That would work 🏳
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I enjoy your spirit !
I always figured if fighting North Korean soldiers the best thing to do is offer them food if they surrender. A western POW camp may actually be preferable to a NK soldier to whatever they have back home. So in some instances yeah offering them better conditions, works really well when fighting poor countries.
Romania mentioned, yeaaaahhh💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
I think theres something to think about with conscript vs volunteer soldiers.
Also, running away and falling down a hill while the rest of your squad suddenly retire might win you a Medal of Honor. The rules really are made up and the points never mattered.
Why would u face the firing squad for surrendering as u said at 5:46? Surrendering when u can’t fight isn’t desertion
@@Modelstl063 When there is no immediate reason to like I said in the video. One can also imagine countries like North Korea punishing those who surrender rather than die in place if/when repatriated
@@Justin_TaylorIt's not a dictatorship exclusive, in my country you aren't legally allowed to surrender ever, if you do and get repratiated you'll be met by a firing squad charged with treason.
2:36 - 'not met'?
Smarter move: don't sign up to become warhead fodder
Great now the army is gonna put me on a watchlist.
What movie is that at 1:26?
This scene appears to be from the movie The Wind and the Lion (1975), directed by John Milius. The scene depicts U.S. Navy sailors in white uniforms and carrying a mounted machine gun, consistent with a sequence in the film where U.S. forces land in Morocco. Let me know if you'd like more details about the movie!
@jaysontaylor6243 thank you !
@@HazmatUnit yeah totally!
POV: You’re Putin watching this while taking notes 0:02
12.00 that traitor got turned into swiss cheese in spain btw
What unit were you in back in 2020!? I was there too! Shit mega sucked but it was an important mission in hindsight...
Hey Justin can u do a video about how to get out of West Point
Hey Ryan, I would suggest taking Thayer Road down to the main gate, after which do not turn around, make all purchases in cash, get a burner phone, and legally change your name.
Fight, hide or surrender..........they also forgot suicide.
6:41 as a Canadian I take great offence to this.
"psyops isn't what you think"
Anybody think that isn't being used on us today? Anybody here thinking our sworn adversaries might actually be innocent victims? That they hold the moral high ground?
"How to make a soldier to surrender" is some questionable grammar
This is actually the name of the Russian Military Doctrine
Your mustache looks like its trying to crawl up your nose.
It's trying to get inside my empty cranium for warmth.
Don't look at his crooked moustache.
When you at the 4 minute mark talk about how you know of no country that don't have death penalty for deserting, surrendering and so on you could have found several if you did a quick search. I know that we in Sweden abolished the death penalty for soldiers in wartime in 1973, slightly over 50 tears after it was abolished for civilians. Since 75 it is expressly forbidden as a penalty in our constitution. As for the rest of the world, it is not easy to get exact numbers but according to one report I found from 2022 112 countries have abolished death penalty completely, that includes in war and for everyone no matter the crime. That is, the majority of the worlds countries have no death penalty at all, some have it for crimes during exceptional times (like war) and only around one in four actually have it for crimes in peace time.
I think this video didn't make a clear difference between surrender and desertion
seems nobody has let israel know about tips 3, 4 and 5 yet!
Fascinating.
Take the music down just a few decibels?
calling DPRK propagandized right after spouting the epitome Western propaganda is definitely irony
It isn’t propaganda if it’s true. Comparing it to the material the US produces is also funny. Show me the US equivalent of the NK American war times museum. Having our own interests also isn’t wrong or immoral; we are a nation of hundreds of millions and hold a significant bulk of the worlds population.
Your wife asked you why you had her saved by her government name and not some pet name... and you've been running with that story ever since.
Funny and informative
The US, I can do 1 and 4. Sometimes...
Really good!
i took you for a breadtuber at first.
@@caleblebaron1179 this is a new word for me
@@Justin_Taylor Keep it unknown
You can't force control. Fear is not control.
Let people come and go as they please. Either people follow you or they walk their own path.
I employ Death's methods from Puss in Boots. I'm not nice about it. I'm honest. There's a difference.
Thanks for this video, 23 year old Donut Operator!
I’m flattered you think I’m that young
@@Justin_Taylor you should be flattered you look like Donut Operator. He is about 63, and is handsome as hell at any age. You have a long career of that ahead of you 😆
Your mustache looks like one of those stick on disguises
It originally was glued to a pair of large frame glasses but I removed them because they didn't fit the shape of my face.
3:11 - My new gender identidy is Irish.
Dprk troops arent the only ones whove had "generational indoctrination"
Wtf why did he put the five steps at the end and not the very beginning of the video
Great topic