Important protein considerations on a plant-based diet | Luc van Loon
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This clip is from episode 299 ‒ Protein: muscle protein synthesis optimization, quality sources, quantity needs, and the importance of resistance training with Luc van Loon, Ph.D. Luc is an internationally renowned expert in skeletal muscle metabolism.
In this clip, they discuss:
- What amino acids are not found in plant proteins?
- Compensating for lower-quality proteins in a plant-based diet by consuming higher quantities of plant proteins
- Why people with chronic illness would not benefit from a plant-based diet
- And more
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Now here's the rub, Doc Luc is a muscle expert not a cancer specialist (aka oncologist) so his advice for cancer patients may help them keep muscle, but it may also be the worst thing for their survival! Meat and dairy accelerate the growth certain prostate cancers for example. Nutrition is complicated and a little knowledge, no matter how well intentioned, is still a dangerous thing.
Are you an expert? Aka oncologist?
Hmm, I thought maybe an example or 2 of foods that have those specific nutrients might help me when selecting plant based options. Thanks Doc for your informative channel .
Does it have high protein? There ya go. It's not hard. Plus these videos aren't meant for normals who don't have some background in nutrition or exercise science already
@@nattyfatty6.0 Thank you for your concern. I've been intermittent fasting, eating high protein including plant based protein and self educating (with the help of a Doc friend) for oh, 35 years. You see I'm a double amputee, I walk on 2 prostheses. It's imperative that I understand what I eat and how to eat to keep an optimum weight while eating as clean as I can so I can stay bipedal as well as healthy. Please try to be kind and considerate. I'm was just looking to the experts for a bit more info. N so it is, nattyfatty. Namaste!!
Methionine:
Sunflower seeds
Tofu
Edamame
Black beans
Refried beans
Cashews
Leucine:
Tofu
Edamame
(would look into supplementation here, even the two listed above are still relatively low in leucine compared to animal products)
Lysine:
Pumpkin Seeds
Lentils
Almonds
Cauliflower
I'm no expert, if anyone else has better suggestions listen to them.
@@andreasfroggy Thank You for giving me this list. Best practice for me is looking to those in the know to give guidance. Again many thanks, & have a success-filled week
Lentils are a good source of leucine and lysine. I use Cronometer to track my intake (more like an audit of a few days of a week every so often), and I've literally never run low on any of the 3. And I've customized my goal of leucine intake to 10 g instead of 2.
I eat beans, lentils, tofu, and other whole soy products. I do not eat animal products. I'm not focused on protein all that much either, and I eat probably 1500 calories a day.
It really isn't that hard.
I'm a cancer survivor. Vegan before, during, and after. I tolerated chemo better than anyone else I know. My labs stayed normal or very close to it. My white count never even got low. My iron levels were fine. I kept working. I kept up a lot of my life as normal. I'm a firm believer that my nutrition and my physical activity are why.
I agree. I eat 90 percent plant based, I eat one meal after my weight training sine type fishr or eggs. I do three meals and only one with that type of protein. I do eat a lot vegetables. All different types in my three meals, I also eats walnuts, Pistachios , pecans and Brazilian nuts everyday
Careful…eating more than a few brazil nuts per day can create toxic levels of selenium in the liver.
It's a hassle. Vitamin wise, there's vitB, vitD&K, iron, sulfur(msm), calcium, magnesium. Protein wise, I'm supplementing creatine and alcar besides soy isolate powder. But I'm still having low blood pressure, probably because of low lysine and metheonine content in soy isolate powder. I could increase my overalll protein consumption. But I decide to supplement lysine and sam-e for a try.
Could you suggest what we can do about it too...for instance from looking up...i try to mix diffrent
sources but i don't know how to maximise it or make sure im not wasting more than enough that is needed...
Can i trust any nutrition app togive a suggestion as in how much individual aminoacids i could be missing in their gram content.
1:28 Did they not mention the quantity vs quality thing in Game Changers? I know Wilks mentioned it during the Joe Rogan debate. But he also pointed out that, in actual human studies, the "quality" difference isn't as significant as PDCAAS or DIAAS would suggest
I came to the comment section looking for this comment. You are right in all of that.
why not take 12 seconds and say what would be the best plant based proteins and or what workaround ?
Does it have high protein? There ya go. It's not hard. Plus these videos aren't meant for normals who don't have some background in nutrition or exercise science already
Because you should know it already if you are an adult. Educate yourself! You can't expect to get everything on a silver plate. Do your research!
@@KST9182 then there is no reason to make this video
@@elduderino1329 thats what i was doing here, instead i got a worthless 3 min video that said nothing
@@nattyfatty6.0 umm no, thats literally the only thing the video said was exactly the opposite of that
This is an example of why I say that being a doctor doesn't make you right. Or smart. It makes you a doctor. There are brilliant janitors and doctors I wouldn't let change my socks.
I distinctly heard Peter say if he was diagnosed with cancer he would go out of fast
I love eating like everyone else, this mostly plant based allow me to eat more with different flavors. No added salt either. Lots fibers. Somehow my body fats stays around 10 percent and I am 51 years old
Peter you need better lighting in these videos. Not sure if you're using a 5000 K LED but it makes you appear unhealthy. Switch to a warmer light temp, or better yet an incandescent light so that you also get some near infrared while working!
It's the spectra of fluorescent and LED lights that makes everything look dead in the first place, because of how they alter skin reflectance and subsurface scattering. A different temperature bulb won't fix that
I wish I'd heard this before suffering hormone complications from consuming so many plant based proteins to try to get sufficient bioavailable protein in my diet
What happened to you?
Is a grass fed cow plant based? I eat about 800 grams every day. Including heart and liver.
I'm convinced protein is now a religion.
I'm convinced this Loon guy has made his mom a religion
That is correct
peter is so obviously biased toward animal protein, it is astounding
That's because of the science about the quality of animal protein
@@jays7318 but that’s not the science. plenty of evidence for healthy plant based diet. I guess if you don’t acknowledge it, it doesn’t exist.
I guess he means leucine and not lycine?
As long as you eat a diverse array of plant foods, you'll be absolutely fine. Peanut butter, lentils, pea protein, cashews, and pumpkin seeds are some of my favorites. The obsession with meat is only resurgent because there are a lot of deeply insecure "men" out there who think that meat magically makes them masculine.
That’s a nice story you tell yourself
@@tas11117 There's no story. I've been vegetarian for 31 years and now fully vegan for about 6 of those, which means that I'd know by now if it was giving me any form of medical issue. Most of the people I know who are my age are visibly unhealthy and they'd never be able to keep up with me in the gym, let alone just through everyday tasks. My blood tests have all come back perfect and I always feel great as long as I get enough sleep. You've simply been propagandized by animal agriculture conglomerates for your entire life. It's entirely clear that you've swallowed their misinformation and their inferior products.
@@to819 I’m vegetarian, but ok 👍
This is supposed to be empirical science, not a religious war.
Maybe everyone with a hostile/ emotional reaction to any contrary position should consider that this whole debate will seem like a comedy in 20 years.
I used to do what you suggest. Then I switched to over 95% pasture raised animal meat. The best decision for my health. I feel so much better and gain muscle with ease
I am a nutritionist and this video does not have accurate information. Sorry.
A very unbalanced clip to show unfortunately, without mentioning the benefits and easy workarounds. Easy bandwagon to jump on I suppose. Pity
Plant-based bots and shills coming out of the woodwork.
@@miltonbates6425 ......said the Carnivore Bot
I love bacon 🥓 !😂, but I was looking for more information on the protein concerns than what everyone already knows.
There are a LOT more reasons a plant-based diet is healthy over and above simple energy restriction. I generally like what Attia has to say, but the protein fetishism here is astounding.
Plant-based bots and shills coming out of the woodwork.
Keep telling yourself that.
Projection: the comment
There are zealots on both sides of the Carnivores vs. Vegans Holy War, as well as healthy (living) octogenarians in both camps.
Isn't it pretty clear by now that we're not all geese or ganders?
@@saxgirlhornboy6458 there are people who don't exercise and still live into their 80s, but it doesn't mean exercise is worthless. Other factors can compensate to a greater or lesser degree, but exercise is still important to health and longevity. Same goes for focusing more on plant as opposed to animal products in one's diet
So these guys literally know nothing about this topic. Got it
Almost all diets are "plant based"
Why would you go with plant based over animal? Doesn't make sense.
Some people have decided that it's an appropriate trade-off to make their diet more challenging (vegan) in order to minimize the amount of suffering their life inflicts on other conscious creatures. Some fleeting mouth pleasure (consuming meat, dairy) isn't worth propping up what some people view as a horrendous industry (animal agriculture).
@@DerekSmithTheOne Oh I see. That makes perfect sense. Slaughtering plant life is fine, but not animals!
@DerekSmithTheOne Over 90% of my diet is grass fed, pasture raised meat. I claim to kill fewer creatures than over 90% of vegans. Vegans - who eat corn, soy, wheat, etc. - kill unfathomable numbers of insects due to farming practices. Not to mention the small animals who die when land is tilled, etc. My grass fed cow meat doesn't cause the massacre insects on mass, as allowing grass to grow doesn't require insect and soil harming farming practices.
@@DerekSmithTheOneOver 90% of my diet is grass fed, pasture raised meat. I claim to kill fewer creatures than over 90% of vegans. Vegans - who eat corn, soy, wheat, etc. - kill unfathomable numbers of insects due to farming practices. Not to mention the small animals who die when land is tilled, etc. My grass fed cow meat doesn't require the massacre insects on mass, as growing grass doesn't require insect and soil harming farming practices.
@@TTTHC 100%! As far as we know, there's nothing it's like to be a plant (only the very fringe think plants could have consciousness or experience something like pain or fear), but a cow can almost certainly have as rich of an inner experience as a pet dog does. It's hard for some people to justify the industrial creation and killing of mammals when humans can thrive on other foods.