I forgot mention this in the video, but more specifically when ppl buy an expensive new card. It’s normal to just go for nvidia because they are the standard. I kinda mentioned this, but I just wanted to make it more clear
Its a brainwashed standard, monopoly regime. Who gave the authority to make nVidia as a standard ? If you goto your local Microcenter or any best buy they easily spell out Intel and nVidia and if you challenge them they go all crazy nuts. End of the day they want some crazy fool to buy some crazy stuffs. Only the real Engineer would know the value of AMD powering from World's top Super Computer to gaming consoles. Truth always wins the numbers shown by AMD presentations are correct and they stand to what they shown. Else people would have sued the company for sure..
tell amd let RDNA use fluid motion or interpolation again and i may consider buy them, while nvidia can use AI interpolation rn, even cuda interpolation too. but amd cut it from RDNA
@@BastyTHz Please use the older RNDA drivers or raise a request in the community. Else take the code build it for yourself if that helps you for a better purpose..
AMD had great brand loyalty, and were very honest and open about performance until the 7k series. Like they use to be spot on, or just under rated but over delivered in performance.
yea a just recomended rx6750 over 3060 (non TI) to my colleaque, he declined it immidietely even if rx6750 is litteraly cheaper here in czech which is kinda insane vallue proposition. Anyway "geforce is better he said".. thats it. People are often just braindead creatures of their habbits. Doesnt metter if its about buyning hardware, politcs or religion they just exists locked behind bars made from blindness , completely voluntarily. :) Nvidias marketing works sickeningly well, here.
@@Kratochvil1989 I would actually love to use AMD, but it just isn't an option for me as I am working with GPU computing (specifically NNs) and Nvidia is just better situated with CUDA (instead of ROCm)
@@shoutz5872 Of course :) In your case AMD gpu just doesnt makes any sense, thats very reasonable. I would went with nvidia too. In this scenario it is what it is, i kinda hoped for Intel will be able to compete with Nvidia, one day. But now with their ARC i am not quite sure yet. I am big fun of any competition thus i hate stagnation and greedness which often comes together in pretty much every company.... maybe one day there will be more options :).
@@Kratochvil1989 well the main thing that Nvidia is just taken as the best (cause they have the biggest power) even when I bought 2080 the AMD didn't have much to offer or there were problematic drivers at that time, but when you not care about absolute top, the AMD is insane value.
As a software engineer, AMD has my full support. Many people doesn't even realise how much convenience and security in modern society relies on open source. AMD developing open source is for everyones good, and Nvidia preying on open source while making a lot of technology proprietary (and worse) is behaviour many devs look down upon.
@@swen1208 As a counterpoint to this I have an NVIDIA laptop and the card worked out of the box on my Linux install, no configuration required. That said, the Linux drivers are treated as second class by NVIDIA. For instance, Starfield has been unplayable since launch due to a driver bug in Linux. I'm thinking of choosing AMD when I build my next desktop pc thanks to their open source drivers which I've heard are fantastic.
@@NightRaven5568 Yea MUCH better then NVIDIA, NVIDIA never give a crap about Linux, that's why AMD graphics cards are better in Linux, because AMD do care about good drivers for Linux. There is a reason why the Steam Deck uses Linux and not Windows. But yes both NVIDIA and AMD works good on Linux, but AMD is still king.
Im happy to see Intel in the GPU market. More competition is always good. But the most important thing is - Price to performance , performance per price!!!
One time I mentioned to one of my friends I was building and he went "Oh what RTX are you getting?" It's crazy how most of the general population doesn't know what an AMD is.
The last nvidia card i've bought was a 9800gt back in 2009. Since then i've bought 5 gpus, all amd. They were always cheaper and never had any issues, which is why i kept buying them.
@@justanobody4983 ive had a 580 for like 4 years, still have it, and it runs very well. Its possible you got a faulty card from a third party seller like gigabyte or asus.
I bought an RX6800 nearly two years ago having been a long time Nvidia user. Have to say I've absolutely loved the card and had zero issues with it. Performance is excellent, it's quiet and it was cheaper. I'll certainly be considering going with AMD again when it comes time to replace it - but based on current performance that won't be for another year at least.
i also have the 6800 non xt and it is an amazing card. i put mine under water and that thing barely hits over 60 at all. got it undervolted and overclocked too.
Same come from a very long time nivida user. Did a trade with the 3090 I had for a 6900xt red devil extra £1200 on top I couldn't say no. Anyway there drivers have been solid it's even got better with driver updates. I'll just be buying the best gpu my money can get from now on. I think they have a crazy bad reputation with drivers from wow days.
i plan to ride mine for like 5 years. got tired of the two year upgrade cycle. my 6800 xt (xfx) performs way better than I ever thought possible for an amd card.
Amd ruined their reputation with bad drivers and the inability to be more performant than nvidia at the top end. When people see that the 4090 is the most powerful card in the world, they associate the best with Nvidia.
Nvidia is the best at everything tho? AMD only saving grace is the low price but at the productivity side it isn't even competition. Also streamer literally can't even use AMD card to stream lol
Important factor that you missed with AMD, for Linux gamers as small as that percentage of gamers is, AMD graphics cards essentially get driver updates way past their usable age. There are experimental projects underway right now for the HD 5000 and the HD 6000 to get Vulcan support and it's expected to be done by October. The ATI rage got a performance boost a couple years ago and the the x300 and whatever series that came from in 2004-2005 got substantial performance boost recently as well. And obviously you can do the math for how old and out of date those graphics cards are yet the community continues to support them. You're lucky if you can make any use of an Nvidia GPU older than fermi at this point in the Linux ecosystem.
I use nvidia on linux witg fermi, ill be honest gaiming aint that great since i dont have vulkan support (falling just short of 396 drivers) and i cant wait to get an amd
I bought an AMD 6800XT ASUS TUF late last year. Its my first AMD GPU and I am super happy with it. I gave 700 bucks for it, and at the same time the cheapest 3070Tis and 3080s was at least 150 bucks more. Having 16GB of Vram and with the newly released Adrenalin update, my card is doing a great job keeping fps up with the other two for less money.
i had the luck of buying 6700xt card for only 276 bucks in 2 hand market with 6 months warranty left. i use exclusively amd since 2015 and will continue to use in the future because i bought the nvidia 970 with the 3.5 gb issue + slow 512 mb and didnt liked being scammed by NGreedia
I have a 6950 xt and its my 6th GPU and my last 5 were Nvidia and AMD GPUs are better in my opinion and besides caught dude lying in this video so once again we have to suffer a Nvidia fanboy no truths here
Somehow I feel that AMD is gunning for the APU market: lower powered mobile devices. They are absolutely killing it in the integrated graphics segment. Perhaps they see a strategic space that they feel NVIDIA will be neglecting
It's not that Nvidia is neglecting it, they just cannot do it, the tried with Tegra and that failed miserably. AMD is an experienced CPU manufacturer, that's why they can create APUs. This started with semi-custom for the PS4 and Xbox One.
You are right. Their upcoming MI300 will be the biggest apu ever created. even without the CPU part it will be one humongous gpu. 150 billion transistors. Which will power fastest Supercomputer. So they are actually saving their limited 5nm wafer for these accelerator/apus which will make way more money than gaming gpus. Hell even CPUs make over 3 times more money than GPUs with same die space.
@@Gley-m7m AMD sucks for anything other than games. So if you're in graphics or AI business, nVidia is really the only option. Why I abandoned Apple, after the GTX 10XX series, because no more support was going to be given to nVidia cards.
Had Radeon for 10 years: R7 260X, RX 470, RX 5700XT. Switched to an Arc A770 to be a part of the developing product. That lasted two months before the driver situation got to me. Went back to Radeon, and it felt like coming home. Does that make me a fanboy? I seriously considered Nvidia this time around, but I game at 1440p ultrawide, and hope to upgrade to 4k in the future. Vram was a serious consideration, and Nvidia doesn't compete w/ Radeon on vram until the 4080, which was outside my budget.
I always look at Nvidia when buying a GPU but they just don't offer the Value AMD do. If when I bought the RX 6600XT if the 3060 has been the similar performance and the same price I'd have prob gone Nvidia as I have in the past but they were 25% more expensive with 8% less performance.
I want to buy 7900xt half a year back. Was 750 eur in Amazon ,but needed to wait 3 weeks. Then i open Ebay. For this price i searched for 7900xtx, but it was hard at that moment ,but possible. After 2 days of searching I found 4080 for 760 eur. Garantie 4 years , more than 3 left. 😂 I didn't choose nvidia, it chose me.
Valid points are brought up; I definitely agree. AMD really does need to design something new for their next release, so it gives gamers a choice. The issue I foresee with this thinking is that it requires money, and when it comes down to it, they only have about 15% of the market share, so resources are tight. Nvidia has a huge advantage in this area.
Gamers do have a choice. I bought an RX 6600 because it has better performance to the dollar than Nvidia. Next I'll upgrade to the RX 8600 next-gen because the RTX 5060 will be more expensive like they always are.
Maybe my wording could have been better; "gives gamers more of a choice" might have been more suited. However, I do feel there are way too many variables to decide if a specific card has better performance to currency. In general, I would say that for modern, high-graphics-demanding games, Nvidia still has an edge. Keep in mind that I'm someone who wants AMD to succeed, but taking for example, the FSR 3 technology, it's a big step forward for AMD, but only plays catch up to bring them in line with DLSS 3 (but still with slightly less detail). It's great, but Nvidia pulled ahead again right away with DLSS 3.5, using AI upscaling to improve framerates. However, I will note that AMD's ray tracing is beginning to catch up with Nvidia's. There are, of course, many more variables, but this reply is getting long, so I'll leave it there.@@MarkLikesCoffee860
Nvidia is also more preferred in the productive and artistic side of things like 3D modellers, streaming and whatnot. Rarely have I seen AMD mentioned or widely used in those aspects. Obviously they should work since it's also a graphics card. I'm just not sure if it's optimized for those use cases.
@@Deathisi Yes I agree 100%. Raytracing and DLSS are great features that give Nvidia a big edge. However, Nvidia have only had those two features since the RTX 2080 was released in September 20, 2018. Before that date, Nvidia's market share was 81.2% and raytracing/DLSS didn't exist. The majority of gamers chose the GTX 1060 which didn't have raytracing and didn't have DLSS. The GTX 1060 also only had 6Gb VRAM. The RX 480 was faster and had 8Gb VRAM. This proves it's not the extra features that caused Nvidia's market share to get so big. Gamers had the choice of more VRAM, a higher framerate without losing any features and they still chose Nvidia.
I'd love a choice in an actual high end GPU without having to choose between something that will burn my house down (4090), something that will melt itself (7900xtx) and high mid tier card masquerading as a high end card with not enough vram (4080)
The problem is, nvidia cards have EVERYTHING. That's it. Amd cards are really good deals sometimes but when a few dollars aren't going to affect you, nvidia becomes the default option. Tbh if FSR was as good looking as DLSS, I'd buy AMD. On top of that, I don't even care much about RTX but if I'm spending a lot on a card, I'd rather just wanna have the OPTION to turn the setting on for a few minutes and look around at the visuals. It comes down to essentially that for most people i think. The little things do matter. If AMD could have better FSR or ray tracing than nvidia some day, i bet the market distributions would change a lot.
I have build a new computer for a friend of mine. And he was going up from a rx580 to a rx6800. After the change he hat a lot of fps problems and stutters. Sometimes even freezes for a second. I tried every possible driver update and all tips and tricks for those problems i could find online. Nothing helped. Now he is sending the card back and is getting a Nvidia card. And i can fully understand him. I have used Nvidia since i started with pc gaming and i'm on my 4th gpu. I had never any problem like this. Maybe that is the point why no one buys amd. Because its a fkn hassle. If you look in the comments of the potential "fix" videos, there are thousands of people with the same shit happening to them.
without RTX amds cards do better than the nvidia cards with DLSS on, the 7800xt has the same performance and sometimes better than the 4070 ti super which is a more expensive card
@@kurtwagner16 Nvidia also has cuda. It might not look like much for raw gaming alone but it is an insane deal breaker for rendering, software development, video editing, etc. and it essentially functions as extra cpu cores your pc can offload to, and the difference between AMD performance in non-gaming tasks are MASSIVE. Amd fanboys love meatriding amd and call it the second coming of christ but I'm sorry. I hate Nvidia's prices but Amd's GPU's aren't even close.
@BonRex97 first of all, it was for 1440p and second it should work fine with the 3600x. Maybe not the best performance but it should work. I saw some tests where it worked before.
AMD is looking more and more appetizing over time and the competition is genuinely welcomed because Nvidia have been just throwing around damn near extortionate prices for way too long. AMD have got to start marketing their products better because the performance and value is already there! They're doing a lot of the tough ground work pretty well, they've got a good product at a good price, but it seems the marketing department just... don't know how to leverage that? It's a weird situation... Hoping AMD take more market share and do well in the future, the industry really needs the competition.
they also have issues with drivers causing issues like crashing etc. doesn't matter how good the hardware is if the software that runs the hardware sucks.
AMD are not appetizing. Nvidia are not appetizing. Intel are not appetizing. Ignore the brands. Ignore them all. Watch the damn benchmarks and buy the fastest your budget allows. That's what I've been doing for 25 years. Too many people are obsessed with the brand. My current GPU is the RX 6700. For the money, Nvidia could only offer an RTX 3060 which is slower.
I switched to all AMD for the first time when the XTX graphics card came out. Also using AMD processor. But I switched because I was building a new PC and valued performance over brand. I also wanted to take advantage of the memory performance boost that AMD allows for between the processor and graphics card.
How is the experience? I am planning of building new PC (this would be my first time) so not able to decide, in theory AMD is giving better performance to the price( looking at rx 7800xt) and ryzen 5 7600, but not able to decide should I ho with 4070 or AMD.
@@duhudu I love it so far. I delid my processor for direct die cooling. Worked perfectly. I liked saving $500 on my video card. Nvidia control panel is antiqued and horrible to work with. AMD controls are much more intuitive and easy to use. Especially the processor overclocking controls built into the desktop, so I don’t have to do it in the BIOS/UEFI.
The thing with Nvidia isn't really their marketing that makes it so common among PC users. I would say it's more the influencers and people you interact with on a daily basis. Most streamers and UA-camrs use Nvidia cards and apple phones. Most of my friends even use Nvidia cards and of course have apple phones. Like apple Nvidia is able to capitalize on being the default choice for people. The reason I went with Nvidia 2 years ago was because I didn't know anything about AMD cards. So that's why AMD has a big disadvantage and Intel has an even bigger disadvantage. Since a lot of people don't even know that they exist
that and Lego, like common, other brands, like cobi, megabloxx etc provide like 4x the amount of weight in bricks for the same buck, and they also stick better and aren’t like red, green and yellow bricks in a star wars set or sth, allowing you to actually build something of your own! only issue is their minifigs are bad due to lego using copyright claims all the time
Not really, today's trend, one that was actually around for a while Is simping for AMD, and trying to be different while crying bang for buck when people that did not try both ends can't grasp on Only reason AMD survives is because it puts on the good guy mask to try convince more people to buy and tries to capitalize on others blunders rather than doing their own thing
Only main difference with Apple is that Android (Like Samsung) is extremely well known too (Although I don't live in the usa). That difference is way smaller, than Nvidia and Amd, where Amd only caught up recently (after also years of negativity around it). Although in both cases its also to do with being used to the ecosystem (with phones bigger difference, although it used too), which people don't want to change. I remember as a kid the rant about the iPhone 5 (like worse than Android phones from 2 years before, with was a huge gap back then). My Cousin got in anyways, saying at least its better than the Iphone 4. He wanted to stick with the brand and ecosystem he was familiar with. I mean if people got Nvidia all there life and never had problems with it, they buy the new one (if they can afford) and get a better one than they have.
I thought I could dm on epic but ig not. If ur on fort then I could prolly msg u then. Also Ik ur real busy so just whenever ur free. I don’t wanna get u caught up or something
For me the problem is the damn cuda cores and deep learning libraries support, I really hope the drivers continue improving mainly because I love open source and having competition in hardware would be great.
Thing with open source though is I don't need AMD for any of it. Like FSR or whatever is great especially since it can easily be modded into games but you can run it fine on an Nvidia gpu and you also get dlss, rtx and Cuda and shit... Like it's basically not a benefit for AMD at all...
@@zwenkwiel816 considering that you also have to pay upwards of 250$ more for the same performance class just to have RT and DLSS it just doesn't make sense going for Nvidia if you don't own a pc for work. The Encoders are basically the only argument why one should use Nvidia over AMD but that only goes for workstations not your average gamer. I'll dare you to show an average gamer Valhalla with and without RT. I guarantee you that most can't even spot a difference. Especially not if you're gaming instead of standing around scenery looking at a rain puddle in RDR2.
@@PuddingXXL it's nice to have the option though, like no matter what you can always run it. also encoders are pretty important if you want to stream VR, AMD is not good at VR anyway. (and I think also if you just want to stream on twitch or something) oh and cuda is nice for AI shit. messing with stable diffusion is fun and AI will only get better. anyway I wasn't trying to get into some argument about which is better (cuz that's obviously Nvidia XD) just pointing out that the open source nature of AMD's tech doesn't really help them sell GPU's.
i switched to AMD last GPU gen and got a 6900XT and have never been happier, i feel like most ray tracing implementations at the moment really aren’t crazy enough for me to want to spend an extra 300 for an nvidia GPU
@@S1lverspike it will definitely be a significant upgrade, i upgraded for a 2060 super and noticed lots of differences straight away from noise level to amazing performance you definitely won’t regret it
The last gen was really disrupted by covid and mining. If a 6800XT had been available at MSRP, it might have been the card to make big gains in market share. One thing I will say about the 6900XT is that they finally had a great reference cooler, and the drivers were all great from day 1. It was a fantastic experience all around, it's just a real shame that they had competing products at all levels for Nvidia offerings, and they couldn't take advantage of it.
It's about the software. Frame generation is insane I'm getting 400 fps in dying light at 1440p maxed with raytracing. Spiderman was a near constant 300 fps. Nvidia is always 10 steps ahead of AMD software wise. They are always in the lab cooking something up. Then AMD just releases a scuffed version of that software that never lives up to Nvidias version.
@@MotoFlowsI think I misread his post it was like 3 am when I wrote that shit but I think I meant to say the 7800 XT should be around 500 dollars idk where he be finding it for 700. Also base 6800 it's like 350 and still pretty good id gun for that instead
@@letssayhypothetically hey i have a 1080p monitor and I don't want to buy a new monitor, can you tell me a gpu which is the most powerful in 1080p and it will last me for years i.e futureproof?
I got an rx 6700xt and it's been like the best decision I made for my build, one thing that really bugs me though is how all the reviews go with the narative that AMD cards don't work with professional workloads. I do work with SOLIDWORKS, blender, premiere, and a whole suite of smaller programs and never had an issue. Edit: I mostly dabble with these programs to experiment as a maker and only engage in solidwork, solidcam, mastercam and a couple of electronic design softwares for work. My issue stems not from professionals not using them but from gamers being shunned away from them due to a seeming lack of compatibility which most often would not be an issue for someone who merely wants to experiment with creative outlets, which even then would be a minority of users.
The longer time goes on, the more I'm thinking of adding the 6700XT to the list of All Time Great GPUs. Along with the Geforce 6600GT, Radeon HD4770, GTX750Ti and R9 280X.
Define issue? For some of us, a blender render taking 30 minutes instead of 10 would be an issue. When your GPU is getting beaten by an older entry level Nvidia card in the benchmarks, that would be an issue (at least for most productivity users). Having vray refuse to open, or After Effects crash, these would also be issues. Getting artifacts when building certain lighting situations in Unreal, or being locked out of certain features, these are issues. The complaints about AMD and productivity are real and legitimate. Obviously it will depend on the user, and their workflow but even at the bare minimum, unnecessarily long render times that get beaten by older gen entry level hardware is not exactly something to be ok with.
@@deuswulf6193 I know that a sample size of one is pretty bad in terms of getting a general idea of the effective performance of a card and I can't really speak for blender as that's what my gf uses my computer for however I know that for SOLIDWORKS it's been a dream, especially for the price point.
@@APS1350 I would assume Solidworks is mostly a CPU based application. I don't use much CAD software, so I can't comment too much on that. Looking it up on PugentSystems though, they seem to imply certain visualizer features won't work with some gpus. Are you rendering those models in any particular way? If so is the renderer based on the GPU or CPU. Its highly likely your choice of GPU has little to no impact on the basic viewing and editing features found in Solid Works.
@@deuswulf6193 it's really dependant upon your settings but for the stuff I typically do I've noticed it tends to be more gpu bound, SOLIDWORKS is unfortunately still single threaded and my dad's old 6th gen laptop i7 works fine for even up to date SOLIDWORKS, my biggest issue is how much vram there is cause model files get quite large for me. The most gpu intensive task I believe would be assemblies where the gpu handles the rendering of, in some instances thousands of complex geometries and their interactions, should you use solidworks motion. I'm not trying to say that AMD is equal or better than Nvidia in terms of professional workloads support, and I do believe that Nvidia's GPUs, especially their professional GPUs are far more reliable. I just don't like how AMD's lacking professional drivers are pushed as a reason for the average person or gamer not to buy them because even if you do like to dabble in modeling or cad or rendering or video editing, a Radeon gpu will most likely be sufficient.
Just upgraded to a 7900 XTX from a RTX 2070 and I have to say... I am loving it. It is Playing all my games the game I love. Streaming worked great. I had no issues with drivers. I did do a DDU clean install also. Upgraded my RAM up to DDR4 32gb 3600 as well. Everything is running buttery smooth.
@@Xilent1 I play at 4k 60. But I have another monitor I use for FPS games and that is 280Hz 1080p. So just depends on the game. Hogwarts Legacy I played at 4k 60 tho for example.
The problem is that AMD is a CPU company and not a GPU company. Ever since AMD bought ATi, Radeon has really been an after thought. AMD is much more interested in competing with Intel than they are competing with nVidia.
Ya well Nvidia will end up as a monopoly, which is illegal. So AMD can't pull out of the GPU market. Intel GPUs were kind of a failure too. I just hate how much Nvidia charges
That is not true. You must know that AMD was on the edge of destruction before they launched Zen architecture. AMD had to focus on a product to get them out of their bad financial position. Zen helped greatly and AMD is now moving towards to become a force to be reckoned with in Data Center while they are expanding towards becoming a software company. AMD cant compete with Nvidia because compared to Intel, Nvidia didnt play around when there was or wasnt competition out there for them. Intel were doing some new cpu generations with 4%-improvement with 4-cores before the release of Zen. AMD has to refocus and work on getting their Radeon brand a new start like Zen architecture. For now they are in a good position in terms of hardware development. Going towards „chiplets“ for GPU will cut down costs and will have „better yields ratio per wafer“ theoretically. In the meantime AMD is hopefully or have been working on a new architecture to go forward in GPU space like Zen has done for CPU‘s.
@@eorzorian Although everything you said is not wrong, it fails to explain the utterly incompetent way AMD has handled its Radeon IP, especially in relation to nVidia. And of course, your comment doesn't really disprove my comment either. They prioritized their CPU performance over their GPU performance, despite the coming AI revolution, which they just handed over to nVidia. Why? Because to AMD CPUs are the main dish, and the GPU is a bit of a dessert. There was no way they were going to sacrifice the CPU on the altar of the GPU. More over, what I'm saying is backed up by first party reports coming from engineers at AMD. Radeon engineers have felt like second class citizens ever since the acquisition. This was one of the driving reasons that Radeon's chief GPU architect, Raja Koduri, left back in 2017 for Intel (which isn't exactly an organization that silicon valley engineers want to work at given other options).
This may apply to gamers, but for productivity users in the creative industry, much of the software we rely on (Adobe CC, Blender, etc) are optimised for Nvidia cards. That may change (Blender is rolling out more AMD support with each version) but for now, that's a big reason why Nvidia is the obvious choice for people looking for GPUs for something other than gaming.
Anyone who does anything other than gaming with their GPU understands why Nvidia is so much more popular. Their product is technologically superior in every meaningful way. It's not that AMD is bad, it's just that Nvidia users are unwilling to compromise. It's very similar to how apple works.
This is a huge point that gets overlooked a lot. It is always about gamers but people do forget that productivity is also very important. I like to use zBrush and video editors like Davinci Resolve and the Nvidia cards just have way better support for those programs. I do also like to game but productivity is also just as important to me.
I just recently find a free voice removal tool and it utilizes GPU to do the work. Guess what GPU was recommended? It's Nvidia. The software author don't even recommend AMD or any other GPU. You can use CPU also. But the process will be much slower.
AMD just announced recently ROCm is coming to windows. This software is AMDs counter to Nvidias CUDA and has been available on Linux and server GPUs for a while now. When this releases the gap will shrink considerably.
@@omargodinez7256 Not really, most Android phones are just as capable for less with the same features but AMD lacks greatly in features that actually matter unlike Apple that just keeps taking away features to cut costs
It’s crazy when you realize most gamers stick with mid range GPU options and that’s where AMD shines most but it’s also the history with their drivers that probably created a lot of customer loyalty but I think Reflex has kept a lot of ppl to with Nvidia
I used to have an RX 6600, it was my first AMD gpu. I was pleasantly surprised by performance per dollar. But Adrenaline software SUCKS, and also the drivers never worked on latest released games. Other than that it wasnt a terrible experience.
@@azazeltheforgottenright? I have a 6800xt red devil since it launched , never had any issues , even when I went from windows 10 to 11 , works flawlessly, windows does weird things like uninstalled drivers which can happen to any gpu or any platform , most of the time people blame drivers when it’s really the operator lol 😂, can’t say how many times I help fix my friends problems and only to find out he messed with certain settings , like people messing with OC profiles and certain games don’t like oc
@@APS1350 I don't know what's cringier, getting butthurt someone commented they enjoyed a product, trying to one up them with a laptop chipset(lol), or writing all that shit thinking I would care.
just upgraded from 1660S to 6700 XT and freaking love it. being able to play most of the games I like at high fps is great. i have a 1080p monitor so thats why im stuck on that. But overall its been great
its really good even for 1440p, only 2 games i know cant run max on 1440p max with 60 fps always, cb 2077 and plague tale requirem, if u dont mind using fsr in both games tho requirem need mod for it, u can play those and every game for sure 1440p if u dont mind no rt, mine brother is using it for 1080p atm, will upgrade later to 1080p 144hz or 1440p 75hz since he dont play much fps games
@@fantasypvp What CPU and board are you using? you may need to update your chipset driver and GPIO driver at a minimum as the much faster card will put a lot of stress on older CPU, another option is to go into graphics settings through your windows search bar and set minecraft onto low power mode, can sometimes solve issues on AMD cards if it's being under utilized
With prices falling, I went with a Sapphire Pulse 7900 XTX. I am more than happy with performance. 90% of my gaming is MW2 and WarZone 2, so in those titles, I'm closer to a 4090 than 4080. Cost was £950 with a copy of RE4, which is something different to play for "free" at least.
allways have an eye on Consumption, how much Wattage need those cards in comparison for what they offer. Calculate this with how much you spending for a year.
Lol gpus are used for more than just gaming my man. Anyone that has to work in certain industries will have to use nvidia because they are just way better at certain non gaming tasks.
Bought an RX6700XT 2 years ago. Still kickin' it. Drivers? I wouldn't say they're bad. In fact, I love how you outlined just how much worse the "GeForce Experience" is - Adrenaline is a nice piece of Software, ReLive in Particular. I've had some issues with a Driver Version back in the days where Horizon Zero Dawn would suffer from a memory leak. However, they fixed that. There are games that just favour Nvidia because they have Nvidia's technology baked in, but AMD still manages to hold their ground. Go Team Red.
I love AMD GPUs. I upgraded from an RTX3080 to a Radeon 7900XTX and was frankly very pleasantly surprised how superior the Adrenalin software package is to Nvidia, not to mention how smooth the card performs at 4k
lower power draw doesn't mean better efficiency. doing more work for the same amount of power or using less power for the same amount of work is more efficient
Well FSR is usefull for cheaper gpu's when u can't run on 4k or 2k; 7800 xt is like the top dog...it will probably come in handy when games get release in 8k and gpu can't keep up
i’ll say as someone who built a pc about 8 months ago and started with a AMD card, the rx 6700xt and later upgraded to the rx 6950xt w/amd cpu.. i’ve had 0 issues personally. plus with the value it’s kinda crazy. at least with last gen cards. i think it’s the easy choice if you don’t wanna spend a ridiculous amount on a nvidia card.
My first “gaming” PC (smaller tower office computer with a low profile graphics card slapped in) was had an Nvidia card card in it. My first 2 graphics card purchases were heavily swayed by ETA Prime. My first card in 2019 was a low profile GT 1030 then a low profile RX 6400. Right now with my first actual gaming pc I have RX 6700 XT. Again I loved every Card I used so. Can’t beat the price to performance that AMD offers
Planning to get a 6700xt soon too, it's crazy the performance x price compared to Nvidia, in Brasil, 6700xt is 2700 reais and the 3070 is like 3700/4000, for the same game performance lmao
@@jhowgx same performance but you also got to look at the vram usage that amd has better than nvidia, at least for the 6700/ 3070 type cards... you can find videos of vram usage making re4 remake unplayable at really high settings at 1440p on the 3070
@@slite3276 That's because it's poorly done port by no other than Iron Galaxy. It's a poor taste to bench cards using unoptimized ports, and claim that 8GB cards are dead. Go back to the days of people complaining about the performance of Arkum Asylum. It's no different with RE4 and LoU. They're both VRAM hogs, plain and simple.
@@ABRetroCollections i dident find that iron galaxy ported re4… tlou port was beyond awful but i wasn’t comparing the vram usage to it. Nor did i say 8gb cards are dead, but if everything keeps going the way it is and has been doing the past 20 years, people look forward to newer and higher resolutions just like how we went from 720p>1080p>1440p>4k and now 8k is becoming somewhat playable with the 4090… and also amd with display port 2.1 getting ready for the advancements in resolution upgrades as well… anything that is under 12gb will be left behind much much faster just as say a 2gb card would have 10 years ago
Went with a 6700 XT myself and I can run every game I play on ultra, sure I may not have ray tracing. Yet I payed half of an equivalent nvidia card would have cost, at the time. Even the most graphically intense game I have, Icarus, looks amazing and runs smoothly. Sure if I went and bought a 4090, it would improve with ray tracing and more FPS, yet I do not have $1,600 to blow on one component. When I have about $1,800 in my entire setup and it does everything I need it to do.
Yeah no need to feel pressured by content creators that are literally sponsored and pay by these manufacturers. In the end no matter its 1080p or 4K you’re all playing the same game. They just keep bring up the anxiety of not get the latest newest coolest stuff, will the game break if you dial down a few settings? Or will your super vision pick up the difference of few frames. I don’t know man. The truth actually is that game developers will most likely consider the widest range of gpu possible, you can see in the steam survey the most own cards are still the 1650 1060 and 2060 from years ago. If the game is poorly optimised, you’ll feel shit in a 4090 either way, just upgrade your card when you feel it doesn’t deliver anymore, not because you wanna get robbed today.
As a 90's gamer who spent a PC build getting burnt by AMD's poor optimization, it's easy for me to understand why NVidia has so much ground. AMD buried themselves. They used to genuinely have buggy cards. I can't express to you the pain of looking up why your game is not working to realize it's an AMD driver issue. This kind of thing is what will make people give up buying your card forever. However, I'm no fool, and I'm also not a 13 year old boy who only built a PC one time before trying an AMD card in an otherwise entirely NVidia build, and modern times have made troubleshooting significantly less of a hassle, so as long as the prices stay consistent, I'll be building my first absolute crackhead overpowered machine with AMD parts. I've been very impressed with how AMD has done with their CPUs over the years and it has made me want to try a "red PC" lately again.
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There are other reasons: in these parts (Balkans) there are significantly fewer choices for buyers from the AMD lineup, and the prices are higher compared to elsewhere. I have seen them make more inroads with users lately, if forums are anything to go by. Also, there's the matter of work use, mainly because of nVidia's CUDA cores and how ubiquitous they have become in professional applications such as rendering.
Personally I bought an Nvidia because everything seems to work on the Nvidia, on my AMD card I had a lot of driver issues. But not with the drivers themselfs, but with the apps. With Nvidia everything just... Seems to work... I'd like AMD to comeback and take over the GPU market, since their gpus are REALLY REALLY GOOOD and at a good price
I've had the same experience with two AMD cards in the past. Their hardware is incredible but their software is lacking compared to Nvidia in my experience. At least from a driver's standpoint. Ge-Force experience is incredibly lackluster compared to adrenaline but I don't really use either so it doesn't matter. Also Nvidia just has superior encoders for my experience with OBS. I've never had a single issue recording or streaming with an Nvidia card but AMD used to make me want to rip my hair off. I'm currently rocking an RTX 3070 TI but I still haven't had as much joy as when I first bought my RX 5700 for $250 brand new in 2020.
I've flip flopped in the past between team green and team red but have way more faith in nvidia. The last amd card I had was a 5700xt. On paper that card should have been great, however in my system it just wanted to cook itself and stank of burning plastic. I tried to warranty return it but apparently the fault couldn't be replicated. I ended up losing a bunch of money on it and selling it as faulty. Never had such a problem with nvidia. Same reason I'd buy a BMW over a Peugeot, they just work
i had to return my 7900 xtx the week ive got it, so much bugs and underperforming in a lot of games compared to green, its sad because the 6800xt was a real success before, and the 7000 serie of cpus is so trash take 3 min to boot each time you open your pc lol its literraly the most extremly stupid thing i ever experiences in modern pc's
@@julienlauzon1106 but people will call you an Nvidia shill for sharing your experience. I really want to put my wife on RDNA3 for the bang for the buck but the driver issues are what keeps me from doing it.
@@abramwalker882 I'm reticent to go back to amd, I currently have a 2070s. £600 for the current gen similar offering is a bitter pill and I worry about amd reliability. To be fair, the state of current AAA gaming I'm not massively excited to jump in on anything, maybe my 2070s can last me a bit longer!
Went with a RX 6700 XT and got no complain about it. Runs smoothly in every game, with the latest driver, a bit of undervolting and overclocking, has pretty much passed the RTX 3070 performance in most games (I'm using the strix model which has factory oc). And the UI is really friendly considering a minimum knowledge on GPU optimization. The stigma towards AMD comes much from the driver issues they had back there and the fact that Nvidia really has a strong marketing. Even knowing that most os AMD GPUs are pair to pair with Nvidia, just the "GeForce RTX" brand is enough to convince the avenger consumer. Sure they have some really good codecs and blame AMD for not keeping it up, but I do think the percentage of people using those resources are minimal considering the scenario
6700 XT here as well. Cheaper than a 3060 Ti and like you said, trades blows with 3070 while being cheaper and having 50% more VRAM. The only downside is that I cheaped out and bought a model with a crappy cooler (PowerColor Fighter).
Same exact card and I’m very happy with it, but I don’t really care about amd or nvidia or intel. I just get what’s the best value for me. At launch they market the 6700xt to the 3070 and it got slaughtered, but with driver optimisation and price drop, its a no brainer today. No need to feel bad about a multi billion business like its an indie game developer, consumers should just choose what they want to buy.
Yep got my 6700 non xt for 320 dollars and I'm basically right smack in the middle of 3060 and 3070 performance I really wanted a 3060ti but their like 480 at any store I got to because I don't like to shop online because I'm never home to pickup packages, found a 6700 for 320 and for my frist amd card I was kinda scared with the whole ddu process and drivers. But honestly it all took 20min and I only have one single complaint which is NFS heat besides that everything runs great
Got the Red Devil RX 6700 XT, I got it for both Gaming and work purposes. With Games barely needed to adjust myself onto Adrenalin Software, what's funny is with how I changed my workflow with apps like 3ds max, Maya, Subtance 3D Painter, Photoshop and Premiere. I barely changed my workflow a bit and I managed to adapt to the GPU nice and easy without relying on CUDA. Like how the comments said, I'm also undervolting my GPU with Adrenalin's Tuning Tab via Performance options. I managed to set it around 2250MHz, 912mV, and power limit to -6%. Pretty much stable and runs beautifully.
Still, after upgrading to a 7800xt, there is no way I would ever switch back to nvidia just because at the price of that card the nvidia counterparts are just not as good.
Never owned an nvidia card, and it would be a tough deal to break since AMD offers way more value for my situation. I recently purchased a 6750XT to upgrade my aging 570, which I had for almost 5 years and considering this one now has 12GB of VRAM it will be more than enough for my needs.
You need to factor in that AMD makes their software to work across all brands of cards. Nvidia is a walled garden, much easier to only make it work with your hardware. Therefore older Nvidia hardware can benefit from AMD support even after Nvidia has stopped supporting their own buyers.
@@FunnyParadox No they shouldn't, there's several issues that take months to fix because of AMD not having card manufacturer's work out the issues, some so bad that they killed people's PCs just earlier this year
@@Scornfull you are telling me a graphic card can kill your pc when running some software made from any brand ? Then that's on the fucking graphic card manufacturer. even worse it tells you it may be made so it is that bad with other specific software developpers that it is trying to kill itself
Built my first gaming rig last month, went with a R7 5700x and RX 6700 combo for 1080p high refresh gaming at max settings and it was such a good decision lol
2 years ago, when I decided to build a new gaming pc, I searched for the internet about the game I played and saw that many people with amd cards were having issues like unexplainable fps drops, crashes, stability issues etc. Combine this with 2 broken amd (Radeon) cards I had when I was a child, I decided not to risk it. Maybe the issues are true or just rumors I dont care. This is my leasure time activity and I cannot risk spending my time debugging issues. In the end, decided to go for the Nvidia option even if it was expensive and absolutely 0 issues so far
That's the same boat I was in. I actually did go in on a 6750XT for my build this summer, and the drivers were crashing every single hour on the hour, terminating my games in the process. I honestly didn't feel like spending hours on end trying to fix it, or waiting months for a set of drivers to make my PC usable, so I ended up going back to NVidia, and haven't had an issue since.
I upgraded from an RTX 2080TI to an AMD 7900XTX the only issues I've had after 3 months are. Some games (mainly Dead Space Remake) have random green or purple reflection (fixed simply by changing the reflection settings) And the hardware cursor being stuck on screen. (Fixed by tabbing out and back in) Otherwise it's a great upgrade if you are going for near top tier and don't care for ray tracing
I currently have a RTX 2080 and at the time (2019) I was planning on upgrading to the RTX 4080....that changed once the price was announced and the RTX 4070ti seems to have its own big compromise (12gb ram) at its price. So now I'm considering the RX 7900 XT or the RX 7900 XTX (price dependant) towards the end of this year.
@@brugj03 Lol, I recently moved from 4090 to 7900 XTX and have less problems. With 4090 system would fail to wake from sleep, clks would be stuck to 700MHz even when game was running, random audio drops... Sucks to be the guy that has never used both and has given both brands their fair share.
If the 7900xt and xtx launched at $699 and $799 respectively, it’d be more well received than it is right now. It’s hard to budge the market leader, so amd needs to priced their gpu to have great values compared to the competition imo. Great video btw!
Agreed... if they can sell it very competitively cheaper to make it no brainer to go AMD, I bet they'll get people to move, increasing their current market dhare. Though, I bet Nvidia would just match/adjust to the lower price too, so unfortunately AMD choses to bring their prices way too high (to match nvidia's) that maybe people would just think "Nvidia is better and doesn't cost that much more, so I'll go to Nvidia "
@@shyhrk exactly this. I have a 6800XT but for people who have always bought NVidia, you need to give them a reason to change. If the just price match NVidia, what’s the point?
Volume will hit capacity at some point, but more importantly, they are a business. They want to make money. They want money to reinvest in themselves. They want to grow their R&D, their marketing, their sales, their other divisions. Asking for that price is asking for competitive prices at the expense of the company's future. Look what happened about 10 years ago? When they were selling so cheap, so competitive that they were unable to spend enough time and money in R&D and almost disappeared from the market. I mean... C'mon people. I also would LIKE all those top end cards to be much MUCH cheaper, but 799$ for a flagship product when the competitor, market leader, most powerful brainwasher goes for 1599$? If they didn't sell at 1600+ USD, it'd be one thing, but they do. I'm more worried about the low end disappearing completely and the midrange going up to 400-600$. Price creep all around... But not *entirely* unwarranted. (cries in multivaried factors of shafting cost)
@@TheGheddon nvidia fan will always say about the AMD's driver issues so that sometime the new pc builder heard from other about the bad rumor spread by word of mouth. Honestly nvidia have more user base so it's not strange if they will pick nvidia first b'coz it's look more reliability from number of user
Definitely. If the RX7900XTX was around $700-$800, I'd have bought one. Now I spent extra for extra performance and better efficiency and bought an RTX4090. AMD positioned the RX7900XTX for the RTX4080 to be an enticing upsell. And the RTX4090 is a good upsell when you're considering the RTX4080. If the RX7900XTX was between $700-$800, the RTX4080 wouldn't have been an enticing upsell, and the RTX4090 wouldn't have been worth mentioning. Now I will spend another 5-6 years with an Nvidia GPU in my main rig.
I've purchased ATI/AMD video cards twice in my life (I've been building PCs since 1997). Both times gave me such headaches I've said "Never again". Yeah, driver issues were part of that headache but even ignoring that, one of my cards was a lemon with constant crashes, while the other lasted just over a year (coincidentally 2 months out of warranty). I'm sure their newer cards are more reliable, better drivers, etc. But I've never had any issues with the 7 or 8 NVIDIA cards I've owned. That's why I keep buying them.
I bought an refurbished AMD 8go 580, black screen one week before end of warranty, a friend gave me one nvidia 970 that already live a good life, I played a lot and no problems, honestly im hesitant to buy AMD again
@@flowinnature8235 Buying it Refurbished is the issue. That's already taking a chance that it'll not work as it was meant. This goes for the used market on top. You can't really pin the blame on AMD or Nvidia when you buy used or refurbished. Especially when you don't know exactly what the gpu went through before you got a hold of it. And yes, this means you can't always trust your friends when you buy from them. People will lie to sell their old cards, to upgrade. It's happened to many people already, and no one is special in this regard.
It's absolutely mind-boggling to me that NVidia still has 75% of the GPU share for Steam users. Now, in some of these cases I do get it. The 2nd most common card on Steam is the 4060 laptop, and I think Nvidia just generally comes in more laptops than AMD. But a 3060 and 4060 being in the top 3? Why? If you're buying low-end NVidia, you're basically saying you don't care about the lighting tech anyways. And then if value is your concern, you're better off just buying the previous gen RTX XX70 over the current gen RTX XX60, or buying the same on-gen AMD card within the same bracket. You will almost always be on-par or slightly better off in raw performance, and even when you're 1-2% behind you're saving literally 50% in some of these scenarios. I mean, damn you could literally go buy a used 1080 TI for $140 and have better performance than the 3060 if you're really that dedicated to buying from a specific brand. It's so interesting to me because this market seems to have a good chunk of informed consumers vs some others. Most people who are spending money on pc parts tend to do a fair bit of research beforehand... at least that was my impression. But at the same time how could you do any research at all and come to the conclusion of buying a brand new XX60 series Nvidia GPU anytime in the past 11 years?
@@monkeyking4320 That makes sense I guess. Also iIf it's true that AMD doesn't match price to region that's ridiculous of them. They're meant to be the value option that should be an obvious and easy move for them.
I guess that's because I've never had any problems with Nvidia. I had the GTX 970 for 9 years, and it never failed me once. The driver support has been excellent until this day, and I've had the same positive experience going back to the early 2000s.
On one hand I get it. On the other hand... Dont you wanna get more bang for buck with your money? Im not a fanboy of either company... I just buy AMD because for the same cash I get a way better card
@@mejdlocraftci yeah i know AMD has better price / performance ratio but i'm not a person who upgrade frequently. My PCs are built for the next 5-6 years so I don't mind spending a little bit more. I just built a new PC and am happy with the performance.
I bought my RX5700 back in January 2020, right before all that COVID and crypto mining stuff. And this was probably one of my most successful purchases. Except for recent AI image generators (which are mainly using CUDA), I don't really have a reason to switch to NVidia
this is my main gripe. Having to stand linux and weird installs with AMD to set up Stable Diffusion is such a pain. With Nvidia is as simple as to start up 1111 on Window and it works FASTER. I'm a bit tired...
Same. But i sold it as soon as the crypto boom came. Bought a a 3070 for the money i recieved. Fun part was, that i had the worst 5700xt i had to physically mod to be useful. And new buyer wasn't bothered. :D
i got 6700xt for 380$ this year right after ces 2023 because didnt see any info about the new 7000 mid range card . so far this card is great for 1440p in any games . If i change to 4k monitor I will just open fsr in every it will still give me like 80~90fps . I think its great value
if you need AI image generation, there are options for AMD. try using SharkSD. it has a built-in feature to recompile the models to work specifically with your gpu. works wonders on AMD. it still won't be as fast as an equivalent nvidia, but i mean, 6.8 it/s on 512x512 images is hardly bad for my 6900xt. generates a good image in like 3 seconds. a 5700xt should be about half as fast, which is good enough to almost match a 2060...
Last year (Nov) I bought an AMD RX6800 to drive my 1440p UW (3440 x1440) monitor and have had zero performance issues with any games and zero driver issues. Power and fan management have been excellent also. Very satisfied.
I think Nvidia also has an easier naming scheme betweem GPU and intel CPU "tiers". Easier for newer people to understand what they're even looking at it
I feel like you can still enjoy using both at the end of the day. No such thing as a bad GPU just badly priced GPUs. I have a 4070 in my main system for ultrawide 1440p gaming just because the 6800 XT is impossible to find here in Australia for a reasonable price, and in my 1080p system which I still use every other day has a 6650 XT and honestly I find both of them great, especially surprised with the performance a ryzen 5 3600 and the 6650 can output. There's nothing wrong with enjoying products from each company.
I’ve been thinking of upgrading from my 3080ti and I’m definitely going with the 7900 xtx. It just feels like Nvidea hates gamers and that we’re just a nuisance to them.
@@xpodxDude, the 4090's MSRP alone is $500 more than the 3080 TI's MSRP, and the actual price is even higher, around double the 3080 TI's MSRP. No shit they don't want to buy it if it's that expensive. There gets to be a point where even people who have more than enough money can understand that something costs way too much.
Amd cards just cannot compete in performance. I love amd cpus, but they lost the gpu market. Ray tracing performance is so bad that sane people who are into next gen stuff shouldnt even consider even the best amd card, because they are so weak
Four years ago, I took the plunge and got an AMD CPU. Last year, I took the plunge and got an AMD GPU. Compared to my lifelong experience with the Intel/Nvidia duo, I'd say it was a learning curve: Intel CPUs and Nvidia GPUs are usually fine out of the box. My 3700X and 6700XT both took some tweaking to perform at their best. But wow. The performance/price ratio is fantastic!
Went from Vega 64 to RX 5700 XT to RX 6800, once in all these years of upgrades had a bad driver update. That was with the 5700 XT where youtube would crash. I rolled back an update but they fixed it within a week and could update further. I had a 2060 briefly because I could get it for cheap from a friend. I had decided to stay with the Vega 64 since performance was actually better aswell as software heavy preference for AMD and the 2060 had loads of issues with Warzone.
After my 1080Ti croaked, I replaced it with a Radeon VII. That card was fine, but loud. I replaced it with a Red Devil 5700XT and loved it. Replaced that with a 6800XT in my main PC and put a 6700XT in my LAN PC, super pleased. No intention of buying Nvidia again any time soon.
From my gaming experience, having been both an AMD and Nvidia customer, I would say, at least for me, I have had better luck with Nvidia drivers. Both are not perfect, but for me, Nvidia has been closer to having perfect drivers... they also seem to update their drivers more often.
Just imagine having to suffer from Driver Overhead or not having enough VRAM... all those AMD drivers DELUSIONS would just feel like nothing in comparison... ua-cam.com/video/RQA3cTPNicg/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/qxpqJIO_9gQ/v-deo.html
Only have experience with one AMD card, rest was all Nvidia (Well and a voodoo2 XD) the 5700xt. Experience was terrible. Like I didn't even know driver issues were a thing before getting AMD XD Some games wouldn't even run and then they'd release one update that would fix one thing while breaking a bunch of others.... Never had anything even remotely close with Nvidia (usually I don't even update unless I get a new game and it notifies me of a new driver)
I've used exclusively Nvidia for the past 15 years and very recently bought an AMD card (RX 6700) for the very first time. Maybe AMD drivers were bad in the past? I don't know. But, as it currently stands, I've personally found AMD drivers to be far better designed with more useful features as compared to Nvidia. Especially when compared to GeForce experience which is just bad when you compare it to AMD's streaming and recording tools built into their drivers.
I wait 3+ months for benchmarks, driver updates, thermals etc to be published. For two decades now, I've been able to build and upgrade PCs with only rare, minor issues using both AMD and NVIDIA. From personal experience, sw/hw engineering are demanding and grueling fields where executives force employees to launch on arbitrary dates. If you simply don't buy at launch and check on updated reviews after a few months, you'll be fine.
so happy I'm still hitting it with a GTX 1060. I'd like to upgrade to AMD but my video editing software works better with Nvidia. Still not missing much atm.
@@evacody1249 that's great to hear because I have a 1660 ti so I'm looking to jump up to 1440p from 1080p gaming. I was looking at the 6700xt but I wasn't sure if prices were going to drop in April according to rumors
@@gekos9829 You must play on very small screens or sit far away because the jump to from 1440p to 4k is big..... A smaller screen hides lower resolution imperfections and a large screen allows you to appreciate higher resolution details not visible at lower resolution or smaller screens.
Got an 6900 xt and I'm completely satisfied (both with adrenaline control center & gpu performance). Used to own cards with different gpus starting from s3 trio, tseng labs, s3 savage,not amd owned radeon, geforce 9xx etc.. always choose the one the met my goals for reasonable buck.
The reason I rarely buy an AMD GPU is actually related to my terrible experience with their graphics cards back in the ATI days (mainly related to their drivers). I started playing computer games using an ATI graphics card, and it absolutely sucked. Frequent black screens, game crashes, blue screens, you name it. When I switched to an Nvidia graphics card, the issue went away. I've been majorly sticking with Nvidia since. But I guess it might be time for a change.
My first 3D accelerator was an Nvidia Riva 128 ZX which I quickly replaced with a Voodoo 2 because it sucked so hard. Everything after that has been Nvidia, though I absolutely hate them for their price gouging and skimming on RAM. But from a pure technology standpoint, unfortunately, for many years AMD has just been playing catch up. I would love to switch.
Yeah I would definitely say there's a world of difference since the old days. RX 480 on my side is still going, no glitches I have seen that I could attribute to graphics drivers so far, it feels just as stable as the Nvidia cards i had before it. Some games just do crash randomly even if you play with internal GPU or maybe other parts in the PC are unstable, or cleaning the PC with air duster used too much pressure and knocked some GPU components/capacitors loose over time. Some 3rd party GPU makers are also more reliable than others I bet, but that would go for Nvidia/Intel cards as well. No matter the brand just go for the cheapest stable card suiting your needs. AMD was it for my case then, just don't buy purely on brand loyalty.
Exactly. My first ATI graphics was the ATI Rage XL with 8MB of vram. I have issues with them before with compatibility. That's the reason why I have been into nVidia.
I just went from a 2070 laptop to a self built desktop and after watching a tonne of framerate comparisons opted for the 7900XTX. Zero regrets, although I actually really quite liked the GeForce Experience software personally.
I just switched from a prebuilt 2080 to my custom rig with a 7900xt. I went for it after seeing how some xtx models were having power issues. I’d have to say I like the adrenaline software a lot more than GeForce after learning how to use it properly
I had the 5700xt as my first built pc. It was great back then and i hardly had issues with the firmware. Then I jumped to the 3080 for the upgrade, where, ironically had driver issues when playing forza horizon 5. But I bought Nvidia because of the nvenc for game recording and photography and videography production and also potential cad software support.
Genuine question tho. If I can have FSR on any of my Nvidia card. And on top of that combine it with DLSS if I own RTX card. Why would I ever go for AMD cards? Yes they are cheaper but will it matter soon?
New FSR is coming soon. And Nvidia has low VRAM unless you spend 1000 or 2000 on 4080 and 4090. Why is Vram important? Newer games will have a problem running on those low 8gb and 12gb Vram cards. Most AMD are 16GB for same price as a 8gb nvidia. AMD is futurr proof
@@94jmbottaro XXXXD Vram is not so important, why use ultra preset on hogward lagacy and use 10-11gb vram at 1440p ultra when you can use high and get almost the same result for 7gb vram ?(even 4K high uses 9gb). it's the exact same problem as RT : you get a bit better looking game but for a lot of performance cost. and honestly beside the 3070 ti,3080(10gb), 4060 ti(8gb) all the nvidia gpu are vram balanced, don't think that a 6800 16 gb vram is an argument over nvidia amd put a lot of vram on their gpu because they are vram hungry and use it as a cheap way to make a marketing argument. it's really the graphical presets that influence the most vram utilization not the resolution. i think it's better to go down to high and play at a higher res so for me 12 gb is completely fine, 8gb is fine depending on the class of the card(7600 xt with 16gb what joke!!??? just marketing) and 16 gb is for the top end like 7900, 4080...and 24 gb on ly make sense for the 4090.
@@SirBrucie Shit you're young! I went from ... Cirrus Logic 512kb ISA Tseng Labs ET4000AX 2MB ISA Matrox Mystique PCI 3Dfx VooDoo 4MB PCI Nvidia Rvia TNT2 Ultra 32MB AGP ATI Radeon 8500 AGP Nvidia Geforce 4 Ti4800SE AGP ATI Radeon 9800 XXL (XT) AGP Nvidia 7800 GST AGP ATI Radeon X1950XTX PCI-X ATI Radeon HD4770 (x2) Crossfire PCI-X ATI Radeon HD 5970 PCI-X Nvidia GTX970 (x2) SLI PCI-X AMD RX 5600XT (x2) Crossfire PCI-X See, I always made the best decision, at the time, given what was available on the market in terms of performance vs price, whenever I wasn't happy with my current card, after checking benchmarks from 5-10 different sources! Right now I'm looking at either a used 6800XT or waiting to see what performance the 7700XT brings. If it's better value than the used 6800XT, I'll take it instead. Nothing from Nvidia is coming close in comparison right now. And I don't see that changing, unfortunately.
@@burwood69 The FX8350 was worth exactly what it cost, same with an FX6300. If you watch benchmarks, if you crunch the math before buying, you never make a mistake. Any mistake you make, you do so because YOU made a mistake, not because you were scammed, lied to, misled, etc. Do the math. Do the homework. Crunch the numbers. Work out what is the best product for what you need. And buy it. Don't be a dummy! XD Be a smarty, and then your kids will also be smarties.
I was being recommended a 30 series card as my first one to buy. It wouldve still been a great card to get, but I wouldnt have been able to afford it, by when I wanted my pc. I ordered a refurbished rx 590, it was more than great for what I needed, but had some problems with many of the games I played. So I returned it and ordered an ARC a750 instead. I only paid $40 difference between the two cards I purchased, and I have gotten the same performance I would have for buying a 3060, for about $100 less. I am happy to support either AMD or Intel in the gpu market.
How is arc so far? I consider it as an upgrade, because everything else is just more expensive for same performance, and there is still lots of potential in it, but possible problems with it spook me.
For me personally, AMD is just for gaming but Nvidia it’s for gaming - streaming - editing etc. Some will say that AMD can do that as well yet not as good as nvidia
Untill you get to RX 7900 GRE price range, AMD is better. Then Nvidia starts getting ahead. RTX 4070 Ti SUPER, RTX 4080 SUPER and RTX 4090 are ACTUALLY worth it, other cards are just meh, only RT is better than AMD.
4070 super is just $50 more i know it has lesser vram but i will take it than have bad drivers, no nvenc, geforce recording is just better plus dlss and ray tracing
They got me when they came out with ryzen. Just got a 7950x3d to try out and Im looking to get the 7900xtx liquid devil once the opportunity comes up. Im definitely glad they stepped it up.
@@tahahaider5836 i can second this for that is the card I'm using right now. last week i saw it on sale for $560 for fathers day weekend. WHAT A STEAL!
Built an AMD/ATI machine with my dad that lasted 11 years. Fun fact, none of the hardware went bad, just didnt have any driver support and couldnt update anymore.. Team Red for life.
The 7900 xtx is faster then the 4080 and has 8 gb more vram and were calling amd overpriced?the 4080 is 200+ more and offers less raw performance and 16 gb of vram is to low for a card of that price.ray tracing wont mean anything in 2 years when the 4080 cant give you enough vram to run it
Considering AMD is making software updates for cards from 2005, buying an AMD card is great value. I'm actually in a funny situation where I want to upgrade but the RX 6600 is just too much of a BEAST. With my R9 5900x it just eats games.
@@mynamejeffgaming Everyone knows you're wrong because no serious person uses Dlss in their comparisons. That's not how it works. You don't even know why it doesn't work that way.
my last 3 cards have been AMD and my next will most likely be AMD great speed for the money. I have had 0 problems and i usually recommend AMD if people like value.
@@pilotpencil3959 " I" can say zero issues, because "I" have had zero issues. I do some solidworks and play some world of nerdcraft and have no issues. "I" can't speak for other people though.
@@lordcommandernox9197 Now try benchmarking video encoding and you will see how bad amd cards are for anything else than gaming. With amd you lose the NVENC codec and H265 encoming.
Seriously considered the XTX when compared directly to the 4080, however for the value (or lack thereof) people say if you’re spring for the 4080, one might as well get the 4090… for which there is no current AMD equal.
but your games will run better on 7900xtx cause devs develop for consoles and with amd vid card inside 1st then convert to run for PC that runs an AMD card. devs don't like developing games from scratch for NVDIA well except for COD
I love how Novideo guys always fall for their marketing. The 4090 is basically a Titan-class card, but because it is named like a regular consumer card, people be like "GuEsS I BuY ThAt tHeN "
I just bought a Red Devil 7900XT for $729.99 before taxes so they have gone down more but I also fear that the next generation of gpu’s will jump in price suddenly
I went from a 1650 Super to a rx6600 which had ultimately lead me to buy the rx 7900 xt this year and im in love with it. I had bought the XFX model and for 800 I cant see anything beating its price to performance. It runs so well that I don't even need to turn on FSR with the amount of frames I get. For anyone getting into gaming and want to get the best bang for their buck I really would consider looking into the 6000 series. It feels like a no brainer especially if you're only looking into just gaming.
I mean a little while ago you could find 4070ti’s going around for 700-800, slightly less powerful overall than the 7900xtx but better ray tracing performance, depends entirely on your purposes. But I don’t see why you would recommend the 6000 series unless you’re just doing free marketing for AMD, because right now you can get a stronger, cheaper card from nvidia in every performance bracket. The 3060ti matches the price of the 6700xt but performs better, the 3070 is significantly cheaper and performs slightly better than the 6800xt. The 6900xt offers a pretty unbeatable price to performance, but the 4070 offers very similar price to performance with a significant boost in performance for a moderate price increase. AMD isn’t really in a good position currently, because none of their products besides the 6900xt actually offer good price to performance in comparison to nvidia, at the moment
@@JuSSayZ Nobody cares about ray tracing if you go AMD. AMD just offers better price to performance Period. Its a useless gimmick to run RT unless you play on 1080p so that you only suffer performance from RT. But if you have a 2k or even worse a 4k monitor your performance is just horrible, especially with the 30 series cards. With the 40 series you get some playable frames but it's still extra you have to shell out for a feature that just tanks performance, while that extra money you put for RT can just get you a better GPu with AMD. But most importantly an overall better gaming experience. Also, you can't say "ooh drivers this and that" cause they both drop the same amount in a year, and both have issues of their own. Also 3060ti goes for 100-200 extra than a 6700xt and is kinda the same story for the rest of the cards. LOL where are you getting these prices from? Its absurd and a blatant lie. In pure just gamming. AMD wins with price to performance.
@@hectortriana4146 the prices are coming from amazon, if you're looking at used prices then it's a pointless conversation because in theory I can find an RTX 4090 for $600 used. Retail price, nvidia gpu's are in the same price range as AMD's offers for similar performance, and perform better (RT or not) except for in a couple instances such as the 6900xt, which does offer a really good price to performance ratio at the moment. Right now, on amazon, you can get the MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Ti LHR for $410. The 6700xt retails for an average of $410 on amazon, with the cheapest listing being $370 from PowerColor. If you want to say that $40 takes it out of the price range of the PowerColor 6700xt (which is your only $370 option besides the XFX speedster) then sure the 3060ti is more expensive, but it is not anywhere near $100-200 more. It's $40 in the worst case, and in reality they both retail for the exact same price which is $410. The 3060 also performs better, whether you're talking about RT or not, it benchmarks better in most titles. No one said RT was amazing tech, all I said was that the Nvidia options for last gen are cheaper and perform better; in the instances where the perform so similarly that it's indistinguishable, you also get the benefit of dedicated RT cores if you chose to go that route. No clue why you chose that as an opening as I literally only wrote one sentence briefly mentioning that RT cores are beneficial. No one ever mentioned drivers either. I never said anything to the effect of "gaming on AMD is bad/AMD drivers are bad/Nvidia doesn't have the same problems AMD has," I simply stated that the 6000 series from AMD doesn't make sense when you have cheaper options that perform better from nvidia at the moment. This isn't a lie, you can find the retail prices on amazon, the only person lying about prices is you when you claim that a 3060ti is $100-200 more, when in reality you can get both cards for the exact same price, with an option to get an AMD card for $40 less if you chose one of those two cards that I mentioned. Cheapest 3060 option: $410 Cheapest 6700xt option: $370 Cheapest 3070 option: $530 (average is $550, that's $150 less than the cheapest 6800xt option.) Cheapest 6800xt option: $699 Cheapest 6900xt: $650. This is the only AMD option that's beating Nvidia's price and performance from last gens options. But again, you can get similar price to performance from the rtx 4070 which costs $800. It's $150 more but you do get significantly better performance.
Honestly with the release of both brands upcoming midrange GPUs, I feel like AMD, if the value is great and their marketing focuses on that, can really shine like nvidia did with the 1060, given the current decline of economies globally.
last year i bought a 7900xtx, i used it for about 3 weeks. and in 3 weeks i got multiple crashes and driver errors. i tried ddu, fresh reinstall, underclock and still no solution. here i could return it within 30 days so i did and got a rtx4080 and i have it for almost a year now and i got 0 issues. it works just stock.
Still gotta make a point about drivers tho. As great as these cards can be, my 5700XT was a nightmare to deal with in terms of drivers. Constant video driver crashes, settings drop to default every time when the system doesn't have a proper shutdown. Look, I use Nvidia not because I like them. I use Nvidia 'cause it provides at least some sense of stability. The latest driver issue with 20% CPU performance drop was an unexpected punch in the stomach from team Green and it didn't make things any better than they are now, but AMD messed with my work and gaming constantly so I use 3080 on my main rig. I don't like both sides. AMD provides more features and possibilities but it feels gimmicky, cheap and "great value" in a bad sense, while Nvidia feels exactly like Apple. Like a bunch of constantly smiling men in suits, who want to sell you hardware for 3 times its real price. Waiting for Intel to reach high-end market
Same my first video card was 5700XT crashes all the time for the whole 3 years AMD was so late in their drivers and mostly they fix something and fucked something else, I bought 4090 and never had a crash never even once, i never felt happier 😭
Great to see amd improving. Most biases me and friends have are because every old amd card we had either died or had major driver issues (always used DDU), it was a trade off for us poor college kids back then. Looks like they might’ve fixed the issue and hopefully they actually maintain quality and don’t slip back. Then we get onto software that’s often reactionary and late, and just not as good implementation, but open source that’s good. The hope is it forces nvidia to create more open software, as their implementations are often better, but let’s be honest they won’t. We need more competition it’s always good for the consumer.
I've owned cards from both brands over the last 15 years and I can say without a doubt that from the rx400 series onward AMD has given me no reason to look elsewhere for a gpu. Driver updates are frequent and meaningful, software has become downright good with full control over voltage, vram and core clock speeds and fully customizable fan curves. It's at a point now where I haven't even thought about downloading Afterburner in several years, which I think says a lot in itself. It's also nice that there's so many monitors being released with freesync compatibility. I haven't had vsync enabled in any game for I don't even know how long. Buttery smooth with no tearing.
I was on the fence fighting wheather to get the rtx 3080 or 6800xt but in the end gave into the 6800xt as didint care about raytracing or DLSS anyway and was much cheaper, the extra VRAM, lower power draw and faster in regular games is all things to love, never had driver issues personally been a really solid card for over a year now
One area where open source does help far more is server side computation; i.e. HPC. That coupled with lower power means that AMD is starting to eat input NVIDIA / Cuda. Vulkan compute will help too.
I don't think I can agree here.... nVidia is CUDA, which is the basis for most computations. Also the 4000 series is less power hungry than the 7000's... Also nVidia already has purpose built IC's using CUDA cores for automated cars with expansion capabilities just for doing those computations. (outside of the consumer GPU market). AMD should be marketing for value per dollar. That's where they can gain an advantage, but they overhype their consumer products and then under-deliver. It's almost a meme at this point when they say they are going to clobber nVidia's top tier card.... They won't. Stop saying you will. Say you will offer better value for the people not dropping $1600 on a new video card.
@@Michael_Archer78 oH NooO they HAvenT TaRgeTed the 0,1% gpu that no one but extremely stupid rich individuals would ever buy Lmao they beat Nvidia in every price segment except for the one exorbitantly high priced card that no one cares about and which will become obsolete as a top tier product in half a year only to be surpassed by amd and Nvidia cards at half the price Going for good performance exclusively on one very niche halo tier product won’t give you marketshare, it’s the 200-400$ cards that make up 99% of sales and this a a class where Nvidia can’t compete at all. But keep looking at fake frames, with too low vram to make use of your excellent raytracing Performance, while gamers will pay half for better performance in every aspect Nvidia shills can’t stop coping
The biggest factor for me has always been and still is DLSS upscaling. I know there's many images showing that FSR looks pretty much the same, but when you're actually playing a game that's just not true. DLSS does motion a lot better. If performance wasn't much of a concern, I would leave FSR off, but still use DLSS quality.
I forgot mention this in the video, but more specifically when ppl buy an expensive new card. It’s normal to just go for nvidia because they are the standard.
I kinda mentioned this, but I just wanted to make it more clear
Its a brainwashed standard, monopoly regime. Who gave the authority to make nVidia as a standard ? If you goto your local Microcenter or any best buy they easily spell out Intel and nVidia and if you challenge them they go all crazy nuts. End of the day they want some crazy fool to buy some crazy stuffs. Only the real Engineer would know the value of AMD powering from World's top Super Computer to gaming consoles. Truth always wins the numbers shown by AMD presentations are correct and they stand to what they shown. Else people would have sued the company for sure..
tell amd let RDNA use fluid motion or interpolation again and i may consider buy them, while nvidia can use AI interpolation rn, even cuda interpolation too. but amd cut it from RDNA
@@BastyTHz Please use the older RNDA drivers or raise a request in the community. Else take the code build it for yourself if that helps you for a better purpose..
Ps there’s a lot of comments I’ll try to get to all of them
AMD had great brand loyalty, and were very honest and open about performance until the 7k series. Like they use to be spot on, or just under rated but over delivered in performance.
i don't buy amd because i bought nvidia and have never financially recovered from it enough to buy amd
LMAO
My 1660 was a better deal than anything on team red.
sell the nvidia for atlleast half , and try to recover atleast half & then buy used AMD for atleast half 😀😀
Hahahahaha
@@LiberatedMind1 I just upgraded from a 1660 to 7900xt
Never underestimate marketing department's ability to negate the engineering department's work.
This should be a maxim of business management 101
yea a just recomended rx6750 over 3060 (non TI) to my colleaque, he declined it immidietely even if rx6750 is litteraly cheaper here in czech which is kinda insane vallue proposition. Anyway "geforce is better he said".. thats it. People are often just braindead creatures of their habbits. Doesnt metter if its about buyning hardware, politcs or religion they just exists locked behind bars made from blindness , completely voluntarily. :) Nvidias marketing works sickeningly well, here.
@@Kratochvil1989 I would actually love to use AMD, but it just isn't an option for me as I am working with GPU computing (specifically NNs) and Nvidia is just better situated with CUDA (instead of ROCm)
@@shoutz5872 Of course :) In your case AMD gpu just doesnt makes any sense, thats very reasonable. I would went with nvidia too. In this scenario it is what it is, i kinda hoped for Intel will be able to compete with Nvidia, one day. But now with their ARC i am not quite sure yet. I am big fun of any competition thus i hate stagnation and greedness which often comes together in pretty much every company.... maybe one day there will be more options :).
@@Kratochvil1989 well the main thing that Nvidia is just taken as the best (cause they have the biggest power) even when I bought 2080 the AMD didn't have much to offer or there were problematic drivers at that time, but when you not care about absolute top, the AMD is insane value.
As a software engineer, AMD has my full support. Many people doesn't even realise how much convenience and security in modern society relies on open source. AMD developing open source is for everyones good, and Nvidia preying on open source while making a lot of technology proprietary (and worse) is behaviour many devs look down upon.
Does AMD work on Linux?
@@NightRaven5568 AMD is great on Linux, NVIDIA on the other hand however it's hard to set it up, took me awhile to get the settings alone.
@@swen1208 As a counterpoint to this I have an NVIDIA laptop and the card worked out of the box on my Linux install, no configuration required. That said, the Linux drivers are treated as second class by NVIDIA. For instance, Starfield has been unplayable since launch due to a driver bug in Linux. I'm thinking of choosing AMD when I build my next desktop pc thanks to their open source drivers which I've heard are fantastic.
@@NightRaven5568 Yea MUCH better then NVIDIA, NVIDIA never give a crap
about Linux, that's why AMD graphics cards are better in Linux, because AMD
do care about good drivers for Linux.
There is a reason why the Steam Deck uses Linux and not Windows.
But yes both NVIDIA and AMD works good on Linux, but AMD is still king.
Amd is shit in terms of android development.(coming from ryzen 5 2600 to i5 12400f)
Why do people buy Nvidia?
Because everyone wants to say they’re going to use it for blender, and not admit they only play stardew valley.
and blender uses CPU by default and few people change it.
@@justsomeitweebno way people don't change it
blender what is this year 2000 again may as well have said 3dsmax
@@homelessEh Blender's better for hobbyists
@@homelessEhblender has progressed to the point that it’s used by many professionals. So no, it isn’t the year 2000
I bought AMD and got the RX 6800XT for a great price and it's amazing hadn't had any problems and bought it a year ago.
AMD sucks for streaming and for creating content.
@@aloha8564am i a streamer/content creator?
No, so i dont care, got myself a rx7600 and im gonna do great 1080p gameplay
@@aloha8564 wouldn't say sucks, but what if they're just casual gaming for their own enjoyment?
@@null4145 you can't properly stream with amd right now, thats it.
@@aloha8564 ok that's relevant to basically no1
Im happy to see Intel in the GPU market. More competition is always good. But the most important thing is - Price to performance , performance per price!!!
they're not competition! at the moment.
Nvidia is more expensive due to both the very good performance in gaming AND productivity, which AMD doens't give as much as nvidia
@@malikgodThey are kinda taking over the low-end tbf
@@daedalus6433 a770,not even close. if it was like $200! but it's like $400
@@malikgod What about the A750 and A580?
One time I mentioned to one of my friends I was building and he went "Oh what RTX are you getting?" It's crazy how most of the general population doesn't know what an AMD is.
Cries in Matrox.
What was his reaction when he heard you say ayy emm deey
@@PomegranateJuiceSmoothieI just told him what GPU I was getting and the Nvidia equivelant
Amd is not cheaper in all countries. Only US maybe. It's also not available that easily like nvidia cards outside of US
And then you said AMD so he started crapping on you, and told you he can't be friends with someone who uses amd. Right?
I can't get an AMD card because my work depends on NVidia. 3D software builds upon NVidia.
was gonna say that
What i just wanna game on that cimputer no work or nothing just games
Same here.
@@Unknownalsnc buy amd then
Same here machine learning on ROCM is horrible
The last nvidia card i've bought was a 9800gt back in 2009. Since then i've bought 5 gpus, all amd. They were always cheaper and never had any issues, which is why i kept buying them.
Those were good cards. I ran two 8800GTs for years (until they melted - those cards ran hot).
Opposite for me. Tried the 580 before and it just died under warranty and amd basically told me to ho f myself. After that, never amd again.
@@justanobody4983 ive had a 580 for like 4 years, still have it, and it runs very well. Its possible you got a faulty card from a third party seller like gigabyte or asus.
Same never had issues with amd cards
I also have 9800GT in an old rig.
I bought an RX6800 nearly two years ago having been a long time Nvidia user. Have to say I've absolutely loved the card and had zero issues with it. Performance is excellent, it's quiet and it was cheaper. I'll certainly be considering going with AMD again when it comes time to replace it - but based on current performance that won't be for another year at least.
i also have the 6800 non xt and it is an amazing card. i put mine under water and that thing barely hits over 60 at all. got it undervolted and overclocked too.
Same come from a very long time nivida user. Did a trade with the 3090 I had for a 6900xt red devil extra £1200 on top I couldn't say no.
Anyway there drivers have been solid it's even got better with driver updates. I'll just be buying the best gpu my money can get from now on.
I think they have a crazy bad reputation with drivers from wow days.
I want to ask what usual temp for that gpu? Because i hear from friend is almost always overheat on idle and gaming
i plan to ride mine for like 5 years. got tired of the two year upgrade cycle. my 6800 xt (xfx) performs way better than I ever thought possible for an amd card.
Are you a single monitor user?
Enjoy streaming and tabbing on multi monitor...
Recently swapped to AMD (7800XT) and this was one of the first made me consider not going to nvidia to replace my 1070. Great results so far
i got one too it is an insane performer
me too i run vr games easily
im lookin to buy amd this time around as well to go along with my new build
You could get much better fps with frames generation of Nvidia, but choose not, what an idiot 😂
shi i went from a 1050ti to a 7800xt i feel like my pc can simulate the world rn
Amd ruined their reputation with bad drivers and the inability to be more performant than nvidia at the top end. When people see that the 4090 is the most powerful card in the world, they associate the best with Nvidia.
There isn't a large enough market in the high end for it to be worth it
Nvidia is the best at everything tho? AMD only saving grace is the low price but at the productivity side it isn't even competition.
Also streamer literally can't even use AMD card to stream lol
Important factor that you missed with AMD, for Linux gamers as small as that percentage of gamers is, AMD graphics cards essentially get driver updates way past their usable age. There are experimental projects underway right now for the HD 5000 and the HD 6000 to get Vulcan support and it's expected to be done by October. The ATI rage got a performance boost a couple years ago and the the x300 and whatever series that came from in 2004-2005 got substantial performance boost recently as well. And obviously you can do the math for how old and out of date those graphics cards are yet the community continues to support them. You're lucky if you can make any use of an Nvidia GPU older than fermi at this point in the Linux ecosystem.
I use nvidia on linux witg fermi, ill be honest gaiming aint that great since i dont have vulkan support (falling just short of 396 drivers) and i cant wait to get an amd
factor but not even close to an important one
@@hades8072 L take when 2% of gamers (millions of people) game on linux.
@@TheRavenOfDestiny you literally just disproved yourself
@@hades8072 Millions of gamers according to the steam survey, showing millions of people need a gpu for this use case lol.
I bought an AMD 6800XT ASUS TUF late last year. Its my first AMD GPU and I am super happy with it. I gave 700 bucks for it, and at the same time the cheapest 3070Tis and 3080s was at least 150 bucks more. Having 16GB of Vram and with the newly released Adrenalin update, my card is doing a great job keeping fps up with the other two for less money.
i had the luck of buying 6700xt card for only 276 bucks in 2 hand market with 6 months warranty left. i use exclusively amd since 2015 and will continue to use in the future because i bought the nvidia 970 with the 3.5 gb issue + slow 512 mb and didnt liked being scammed by NGreedia
The 6800XT is INSANELY GOOD.
I swapped my 6800xt for a 3080, due to the encoders for VR, but lost some performance even software features.
i have AMD 6800XT its focking great
Same story here, i'm so satisfied with my 5950x and 6800xt.
I have a 6950 xt and its my 6th GPU and my last 5 were Nvidia and AMD GPUs are better in my opinion and besides caught dude lying in this video so once again we have to suffer a Nvidia fanboy no truths here
Somehow I feel that AMD is gunning for the APU market: lower powered mobile devices. They are absolutely killing it in the integrated graphics segment. Perhaps they see a strategic space that they feel NVIDIA will be neglecting
Nvidia tried with motherboard chipsets and mobile GPUs, but nowhere near AMD.
The current console generation is running AMD inside.
It's not that Nvidia is neglecting it, they just cannot do it, the tried with Tegra and that failed miserably. AMD is an experienced CPU manufacturer, that's why they can create APUs. This started with semi-custom for the PS4 and Xbox One.
You are right. Their upcoming MI300 will be the biggest apu ever created. even without the CPU part it will be one humongous gpu. 150 billion transistors. Which will power fastest Supercomputer. So they are actually saving their limited 5nm wafer for these accelerator/apus which will make way more money than gaming gpus. Hell even CPUs make over 3 times more money than GPUs with same die space.
@@LuizValenz it has been that way a few generations now.
Because raytracing, CUDA, Optix, dlss, rtx video enhancer, nvenc. If AMD will do that cheaper i'll buy amd
💚DLSS + Reflex for me💚
@@brandonleemoss AMD now has actual true Nvidia Reflex. Only has to catch up with DLSS now
@@sergeantlightning6178and ray tracing, nvenc better recording studio first
Amd still sucks in blender
@@Gley-m7m AMD sucks for anything other than games. So if you're in graphics or AI business, nVidia is really the only option. Why I abandoned Apple, after the GTX 10XX series, because no more support was going to be given to nVidia cards.
Bought an AMD GPU recently - pretty happy with it - felt it was a great value and the performance has held up to expectations.
Had Radeon for 10 years: R7 260X, RX 470, RX 5700XT. Switched to an Arc A770 to be a part of the developing product. That lasted two months before the driver situation got to me. Went back to Radeon, and it felt like coming home. Does that make me a fanboy? I seriously considered Nvidia this time around, but I game at 1440p ultrawide, and hope to upgrade to 4k in the future. Vram was a serious consideration, and Nvidia doesn't compete w/ Radeon on vram until the 4080, which was outside my budget.
I always look at Nvidia when buying a GPU but they just don't offer the Value AMD do. If when I bought the RX 6600XT if the 3060 has been the similar performance and the same price I'd have prob gone Nvidia as I have in the past but they were 25% more expensive with 8% less performance.
doesnt sound like a fanboy to me, just chose what fit the budget and worked! cheers
I want to buy 7900xt half a year back. Was 750 eur in Amazon ,but needed to wait 3 weeks. Then i open Ebay. For this price i searched for 7900xtx, but it was hard at that moment ,but possible. After 2 days of searching I found 4080 for 760 eur. Garantie 4 years , more than 3 left. 😂 I didn't choose nvidia, it chose me.
Valid points are brought up; I definitely agree.
AMD really does need to design something new for their next release, so it gives gamers a choice. The issue I foresee with this thinking is that it requires money, and when it comes down to it, they only have about 15% of the market share, so resources are tight. Nvidia has a huge advantage in this area.
Gamers do have a choice. I bought an RX 6600 because it has better performance to the dollar than Nvidia. Next I'll upgrade to the RX 8600 next-gen because the RTX 5060 will be more expensive like they always are.
Maybe my wording could have been better; "gives gamers more of a choice" might have been more suited. However, I do feel there are way too many variables to decide if a specific card has better performance to currency. In general, I would say that for modern, high-graphics-demanding games, Nvidia still has an edge.
Keep in mind that I'm someone who wants AMD to succeed, but taking for example, the FSR 3 technology, it's a big step forward for AMD, but only plays catch up to bring them in line with DLSS 3 (but still with slightly less detail). It's great, but Nvidia pulled ahead again right away with DLSS 3.5, using AI upscaling to improve framerates.
However, I will note that AMD's ray tracing is beginning to catch up with Nvidia's. There are, of course, many more variables, but this reply is getting long, so I'll leave it there.@@MarkLikesCoffee860
Nvidia is also more preferred in the productive and artistic side of things like 3D modellers, streaming and whatnot. Rarely have I seen AMD mentioned or widely used in those aspects. Obviously they should work since it's also a graphics card. I'm just not sure if it's optimized for those use cases.
@@Deathisi Yes I agree 100%. Raytracing and DLSS are great features that give Nvidia a big edge. However, Nvidia have only had those two features since the RTX 2080 was released in September 20, 2018. Before that date, Nvidia's market share was 81.2% and raytracing/DLSS didn't exist. The majority of gamers chose the GTX 1060 which didn't have raytracing and didn't have DLSS. The GTX 1060 also only had 6Gb VRAM. The RX 480 was faster and had 8Gb VRAM. This proves it's not the extra features that caused Nvidia's market share to get so big. Gamers had the choice of more VRAM, a higher framerate without losing any features and they still chose Nvidia.
I'd love a choice in an actual high end GPU without having to choose between something that will burn my house down (4090), something that will melt itself (7900xtx) and high mid tier card masquerading as a high end card with not enough vram (4080)
The problem is, nvidia cards have EVERYTHING. That's it. Amd cards are really good deals sometimes but when a few dollars aren't going to affect you, nvidia becomes the default option. Tbh if FSR was as good looking as DLSS, I'd buy AMD. On top of that, I don't even care much about RTX but if I'm spending a lot on a card, I'd rather just wanna have the OPTION to turn the setting on for a few minutes and look around at the visuals. It comes down to essentially that for most people i think. The little things do matter. If AMD could have better FSR or ray tracing than nvidia some day, i bet the market distributions would change a lot.
I have build a new computer for a friend of mine. And he was going up from a rx580 to a rx6800. After the change he hat a lot of fps problems and stutters. Sometimes even freezes for a second. I tried every possible driver update and all tips and tricks for those problems i could find online. Nothing helped. Now he is sending the card back and is getting a Nvidia card. And i can fully understand him. I have used Nvidia since i started with pc gaming and i'm on my 4th gpu. I had never any problem like this. Maybe that is the point why no one buys amd. Because its a fkn hassle. If you look in the comments of the potential "fix" videos, there are thousands of people with the same shit happening to them.
without RTX amds cards do better than the nvidia cards with DLSS on, the 7800xt has the same performance and sometimes better than the 4070 ti super which is a more expensive card
@@kurtwagner16 Nvidia also has cuda. It might not look like much for raw gaming alone but it is an insane deal breaker for rendering, software development, video editing, etc. and it essentially functions as extra cpu cores your pc can offload to, and the difference between AMD performance in non-gaming tasks are MASSIVE.
Amd fanboys love meatriding amd and call it the second coming of christ but I'm sorry. I hate Nvidia's prices but Amd's GPU's aren't even close.
@BonRex97 ryzen 5 3600x
@BonRex97 first of all, it was for 1440p and second it should work fine with the 3600x. Maybe not the best performance but it should work. I saw some tests where it worked before.
nvidia is like the teacher while AMD is the indian dude on youtube helping you with your problem
Lol! I like that analogy! 0ver 20 years in the pc never bought Nvidia.
😂
But if you gaming @@Lonewolf-ei5yv
Spot on 😂
No? You can’t compare a gpu to a teacher. That shit ain’t gonna grow a mouth and teach me how to find X
AMD is looking more and more appetizing over time and the competition is genuinely welcomed because Nvidia have been just throwing around damn near extortionate prices for way too long. AMD have got to start marketing their products better because the performance and value is already there! They're doing a lot of the tough ground work pretty well, they've got a good product at a good price, but it seems the marketing department just... don't know how to leverage that? It's a weird situation...
Hoping AMD take more market share and do well in the future, the industry really needs the competition.
Haha, keep dreaming fanboy
they also have issues with drivers causing issues like crashing etc. doesn't matter how good the hardware is if the software that runs the hardware sucks.
@@Stackaliso does nvidia…
@@Stackali Had my 6700XT for a year now, never had any problems with crashing except for MW2, which crashing was happening for every pc
AMD are not appetizing. Nvidia are not appetizing. Intel are not appetizing. Ignore the brands. Ignore them all. Watch the damn benchmarks and buy the fastest your budget allows. That's what I've been doing for 25 years. Too many people are obsessed with the brand. My current GPU is the RX 6700. For the money, Nvidia could only offer an RTX 3060 which is slower.
I switched to all AMD for the first time when the XTX graphics card came out. Also using AMD processor. But I switched because I was building a new PC and valued performance over brand. I also wanted to take advantage of the memory performance boost that AMD allows for between the processor and graphics card.
Me too this year. First time i'm back to AMD in a decade.
How is the experience? I am planning of building new PC (this would be my first time) so not able to decide, in theory AMD is giving better performance to the price( looking at rx 7800xt) and ryzen 5 7600, but not able to decide should I ho with 4070 or AMD.
Me too, Ryzen 5 5600G paired with an RX 6500XT, no problems at all
@@duhudu I love it so far. I delid my processor for direct die cooling. Worked perfectly. I liked saving $500 on my video card. Nvidia control panel is antiqued and horrible to work with. AMD controls are much more intuitive and easy to use. Especially the processor overclocking controls built into the desktop, so I don’t have to do it in the BIOS/UEFI.
DirectStorage is coming just wait, dont need any amd crap to do this
The thing with Nvidia isn't really their marketing that makes it so common among PC users. I would say it's more the influencers and people you interact with on a daily basis. Most streamers and UA-camrs use Nvidia cards and apple phones. Most of my friends even use Nvidia cards and of course have apple phones. Like apple Nvidia is able to capitalize on being the default choice for people. The reason I went with Nvidia 2 years ago was because I didn't know anything about AMD cards. So that's why AMD has a big disadvantage and Intel has an even bigger disadvantage. Since a lot of people don't even know that they exist
that and Lego, like common, other brands, like cobi, megabloxx etc provide like 4x the amount of weight in bricks for the same buck, and they also stick better and aren’t like red, green and yellow bricks in a star wars set or sth, allowing you to actually build something of your own! only issue is their minifigs are bad due to lego using copyright claims all the time
Not really, today's trend, one that was actually around for a while
Is simping for AMD, and trying to be different while crying bang for buck when people that did not try both ends can't grasp on
Only reason AMD survives is because it puts on the good guy mask to try convince more people to buy and tries to capitalize on others blunders rather than doing their own thing
Only main difference with Apple is that Android (Like Samsung) is extremely well known too (Although I don't live in the usa). That difference is way smaller, than Nvidia and Amd, where Amd only caught up recently (after also years of negativity around it).
Although in both cases its also to do with being used to the ecosystem (with phones bigger difference, although it used too), which people don't want to change. I remember as a kid the rant about the iPhone 5 (like worse than Android phones from 2 years before, with was a huge gap back then). My Cousin got in anyways, saying at least its better than the Iphone 4. He wanted to stick with the brand and ecosystem he was familiar with. I mean if people got Nvidia all there life and never had problems with it, they buy the new one (if they can afford) and get a better one than they have.
iPhone might be default in America, but not so much in Europe.
@@GrandElemental Yeah living in Europe too and was thinking the same! Marketshare Samsung has been higher for over 10 years or so.
Nice video Vex, this was well researched! I agree with all your points. I also still owe you a 1v1 in Fortnite :D
Fr dude. Most of the info came from u so thanks for that!
Also I aint scared, I’ll 1v1. Epic: Ency999
Add me u won’t 😈
@@vextakes I'll add you ;)
I thought I could dm on epic but ig not. If ur on fort then I could prolly msg u then.
Also Ik ur real busy so just whenever ur free. I don’t wanna get u caught up or something
@@vextakes Got Discord? I'll add you there.
Yessir! ency#3505
For me the problem is the damn cuda cores and deep learning libraries support, I really hope the drivers continue improving mainly because I love open source and having competition in hardware would be great.
Same here
the only gripe for me not having AMD GPU.
i planned to use GPU mainly for work and gaming second.
Thing with open source though is I don't need AMD for any of it. Like FSR or whatever is great especially since it can easily be modded into games but you can run it fine on an Nvidia gpu and you also get dlss, rtx and Cuda and shit...
Like it's basically not a benefit for AMD at all...
@@zwenkwiel816 considering that you also have to pay upwards of 250$ more for the same performance class just to have RT and DLSS it just doesn't make sense going for Nvidia if you don't own a pc for work.
The Encoders are basically the only argument why one should use Nvidia over AMD but that only goes for workstations not your average gamer.
I'll dare you to show an average gamer Valhalla with and without RT. I guarantee you that most can't even spot a difference. Especially not if you're gaming instead of standing around scenery looking at a rain puddle in RDR2.
@@PuddingXXL it's nice to have the option though, like no matter what you can always run it.
also encoders are pretty important if you want to stream VR, AMD is not good at VR anyway. (and I think also if you just want to stream on twitch or something)
oh and cuda is nice for AI shit. messing with stable diffusion is fun and AI will only get better.
anyway I wasn't trying to get into some argument about which is better (cuz that's obviously Nvidia XD) just pointing out that the open source nature of AMD's tech doesn't really help them sell GPU's.
i switched to AMD last GPU gen and got a 6900XT and have never been happier, i feel like most ray tracing implementations at the moment really aren’t crazy enough for me to want to spend an extra 300 for an nvidia GPU
I’m about to buy the asrock oc edtion mint condition for $450 this week Moving from red devil vega 56. Hope it’s a significant upgrade.
@@S1lverspike it will definitely be a significant upgrade, i upgraded for a 2060 super and noticed lots of differences straight away from noise level to amazing performance you definitely won’t regret it
I just switched from an RTX 2060 to an RX 6900 XT for only $720. It's really nice having 3090 levels of performance
The last gen was really disrupted by covid and mining. If a 6800XT had been available at MSRP, it might have been the card to make big gains in market share. One thing I will say about the 6900XT is that they finally had a great reference cooler, and the drivers were all great from day 1. It was a fantastic experience all around, it's just a real shame that they had competing products at all levels for Nvidia offerings, and they couldn't take advantage of it.
It's about the software. Frame generation is insane I'm getting 400 fps in dying light at 1440p maxed with raytracing. Spiderman was a near constant 300 fps. Nvidia is always 10 steps ahead of AMD software wise. They are always in the lab cooking something up. Then AMD just releases a scuffed version of that software that never lives up to Nvidias version.
And right now, which RADEON graphics card its ideal for 1440p gaming? a Rx 7800 XT 16gb ? here in Peru that one -from XFX- its around $690 usd.
I'd go for the 6800 XT you can find them about 500 bucks you'll do pretty good at 1440
@@letssayhypotheticallywhy would you buy 6800xt for $500 when you can buy 7800xt for 500
@@MotoFlowsI think I misread his post it was like 3 am when I wrote that shit but I think I meant to say the 7800 XT should be around 500 dollars idk where he be finding it for 700. Also base 6800 it's like 350 and still pretty good id gun for that instead
@@letssayhypothetically hey i have a 1080p monitor and I don't want to buy a new monitor, can you tell me a gpu which is the most powerful in 1080p and it will last me for years i.e futureproof?
@@shantanuzodpe9880 I have simillar situation and Im going to buy RX6950
I got an rx 6700xt and it's been like the best decision I made for my build, one thing that really bugs me though is how all the reviews go with the narative that AMD cards don't work with professional workloads. I do work with SOLIDWORKS, blender, premiere, and a whole suite of smaller programs and never had an issue.
Edit: I mostly dabble with these programs to experiment as a maker and only engage in solidwork, solidcam, mastercam and a couple of electronic design softwares for work. My issue stems not from professionals not using them but from gamers being shunned away from them due to a seeming lack of compatibility which most often would not be an issue for someone who merely wants to experiment with creative outlets, which even then would be a minority of users.
The longer time goes on, the more I'm thinking of adding the 6700XT to the list of All Time Great GPUs. Along with the Geforce 6600GT, Radeon HD4770, GTX750Ti and R9 280X.
Define issue? For some of us, a blender render taking 30 minutes instead of 10 would be an issue. When your GPU is getting beaten by an older entry level Nvidia card in the benchmarks, that would be an issue (at least for most productivity users). Having vray refuse to open, or After Effects crash, these would also be issues. Getting artifacts when building certain lighting situations in Unreal, or being locked out of certain features, these are issues. The complaints about AMD and productivity are real and legitimate.
Obviously it will depend on the user, and their workflow but even at the bare minimum, unnecessarily long render times that get beaten by older gen entry level hardware is not exactly something to be ok with.
@@deuswulf6193 I know that a sample size of one is pretty bad in terms of getting a general idea of the effective performance of a card and I can't really speak for blender as that's what my gf uses my computer for however I know that for SOLIDWORKS it's been a dream, especially for the price point.
@@APS1350 I would assume Solidworks is mostly a CPU based application. I don't use much CAD software, so I can't comment too much on that. Looking it up on PugentSystems though, they seem to imply certain visualizer features won't work with some gpus. Are you rendering those models in any particular way? If so is the renderer based on the GPU or CPU.
Its highly likely your choice of GPU has little to no impact on the basic viewing and editing features found in Solid Works.
@@deuswulf6193 it's really dependant upon your settings but for the stuff I typically do I've noticed it tends to be more gpu bound, SOLIDWORKS is unfortunately still single threaded and my dad's old 6th gen laptop i7 works fine for even up to date SOLIDWORKS, my biggest issue is how much vram there is cause model files get quite large for me. The most gpu intensive task I believe would be assemblies where the gpu handles the rendering of, in some instances thousands of complex geometries and their interactions, should you use solidworks motion.
I'm not trying to say that AMD is equal or better than Nvidia in terms of professional workloads support, and I do believe that Nvidia's GPUs, especially their professional GPUs are far more reliable. I just don't like how AMD's lacking professional drivers are pushed as a reason for the average person or gamer not to buy them because even if you do like to dabble in modeling or cad or rendering or video editing, a Radeon gpu will most likely be sufficient.
Just upgraded to a 7900 XTX from a RTX 2070 and I have to say... I am loving it. It is Playing all my games the game I love. Streaming worked great. I had no issues with drivers. I did do a DDU clean install also. Upgraded my RAM up to DDR4 32gb 3600 as well. Everything is running buttery smooth.
I got an 7900xt for 800 and I have had zero issues with drivers. What's funny is the software suite is SO MUCH BETTER than Nvidia.
@@rage8010 Do you use it for 4k or 1440p? Just asking
@@Xilent1 I play at 4k 60. But I have another monitor I use for FPS games and that is 280Hz 1080p. So just depends on the game. Hogwarts Legacy I played at 4k 60 tho for example.
The problem is that AMD is a CPU company and not a GPU company. Ever since AMD bought ATi, Radeon has really been an after thought. AMD is much more interested in competing with Intel than they are competing with nVidia.
I think they thought that first conquer CPU market than pay attention to gpu market
Ya well Nvidia will end up as a monopoly, which is illegal. So AMD can't pull out of the GPU market. Intel GPUs were kind of a failure too. I just hate how much Nvidia charges
Biggest mistake was not keeping the ATI name for their GPU products.
That is not true. You must know that AMD was on the edge of destruction before they launched Zen architecture.
AMD had to focus on a product to get them out of their bad financial position.
Zen helped greatly and AMD is now moving towards to become a force to be reckoned with in Data Center while they are expanding towards becoming a software company.
AMD cant compete with Nvidia because compared to Intel, Nvidia didnt play around when there was or wasnt competition out there for them.
Intel were doing some new cpu generations with 4%-improvement with 4-cores before the release of Zen.
AMD has to refocus and work on getting their Radeon brand a new start like Zen architecture.
For now they are in a good position in terms of hardware development. Going towards „chiplets“ for GPU will cut down costs and will have „better yields ratio per wafer“ theoretically. In the meantime AMD is hopefully or have been working on a new architecture to go forward in GPU space like Zen has done for CPU‘s.
@@eorzorian Although everything you said is not wrong, it fails to explain the utterly incompetent way AMD has handled its Radeon IP, especially in relation to nVidia. And of course, your comment doesn't really disprove my comment either. They prioritized their CPU performance over their GPU performance, despite the coming AI revolution, which they just handed over to nVidia. Why? Because to AMD CPUs are the main dish, and the GPU is a bit of a dessert. There was no way they were going to sacrifice the CPU on the altar of the GPU.
More over, what I'm saying is backed up by first party reports coming from engineers at AMD. Radeon engineers have felt like second class citizens ever since the acquisition. This was one of the driving reasons that Radeon's chief GPU architect, Raja Koduri, left back in 2017 for Intel (which isn't exactly an organization that silicon valley engineers want to work at given other options).
This may apply to gamers, but for productivity users in the creative industry, much of the software we rely on (Adobe CC, Blender, etc) are optimised for Nvidia cards. That may change (Blender is rolling out more AMD support with each version) but for now, that's a big reason why Nvidia is the obvious choice for people looking for GPUs for something other than gaming.
Anyone who does anything other than gaming with their GPU understands why Nvidia is so much more popular. Their product is technologically superior in every meaningful way. It's not that AMD is bad, it's just that Nvidia users are unwilling to compromise. It's very similar to how apple works.
This is a huge point that gets overlooked a lot. It is always about gamers but people do forget that productivity is also very important. I like to use zBrush and video editors like Davinci Resolve and the Nvidia cards just have way better support for those programs. I do also like to game but productivity is also just as important to me.
I just recently find a free voice removal tool and it utilizes GPU to do the work. Guess what GPU was recommended? It's Nvidia. The software author don't even recommend AMD or any other GPU. You can use CPU also. But the process will be much slower.
AMD just announced recently ROCm is coming to windows. This software is AMDs counter to Nvidias CUDA and has been available on Linux and server GPUs for a while now.
When this releases the gap will shrink considerably.
@@omargodinez7256 Not really, most Android phones are just as capable for less with the same features but AMD lacks greatly in features that actually matter unlike Apple that just keeps taking away features to cut costs
It’s crazy when you realize most gamers stick with mid range GPU options and that’s where AMD shines most but it’s also the history with their drivers that probably created a lot of customer loyalty but I think Reflex has kept a lot of ppl to with Nvidia
I used to have an RX 6600, it was my first AMD gpu. I was pleasantly surprised by performance per dollar. But Adrenaline software SUCKS, and also the drivers never worked on latest released games. Other than that it wasnt a terrible experience.
Also something I have found very consistently is people blaming AMD drivers for every issue that happens when most of the time is a windows thing
@@azazeltheforgottenright? I have a 6800xt red devil since it launched , never had any issues , even when I went from windows 10 to 11 , works flawlessly, windows does weird things like uninstalled drivers which can happen to any gpu or any platform , most of the time people blame drivers when it’s really the operator lol 😂, can’t say how many times I help fix my friends problems and only to find out he messed with certain settings , like people messing with OC profiles and certain games don’t like oc
@@azazeltheforgotteneasy to blame windows for literally any malfunction
@@77Frictiondid u use display driver uninstaller to remove old nvidia drivers
I got my 6950 XT for $800 in November and I'm just blown away. It is a very enjoyable 4k experience.
@@APS1350 Not much of a flex. Owning AMD cards is literally the subject of the video. Sorry you're insecure but ok.
@@APS1350 Hahahaha, cringe.
@Alan Schabelski Yeah sure you do buddy. We totally believe you along with that 6700xt and your father's dual a6000 system, lol.
@@APS1350 I don't know what's cringier, getting butthurt someone commented they enjoyed a product, trying to one up them with a laptop chipset(lol), or writing all that shit thinking I would care.
@@fredericktorres6651 you right 👍
NVIDIA is the apple of gpus
Hahahah ya
100%
just upgraded from 1660S to 6700 XT and freaking love it. being able to play most of the games I like at high fps is great. i have a 1080p monitor so thats why im stuck on that.
But overall its been great
I play everything on highest settings in 1440p with my 6700XT, no problems whatsoever..
its really good even for 1440p, only 2 games i know cant run max on 1440p max with 60 fps always, cb 2077 and plague tale requirem, if u dont mind using fsr in both games tho requirem need mod for it, u can play those and every game for sure 1440p if u dont mind no rt, mine brother is using it for 1080p atm, will upgrade later to 1080p 144hz or 1440p 75hz since he dont play much fps games
Just went from a 980to to a 6700xt, most games run better but Minecraft seems to have gotten way more laggy 😭
@@fantasypvp What CPU and board are you using? you may need to update your chipset driver and GPIO driver at a minimum as the much faster card will put a lot of stress on older CPU, another option is to go into graphics settings through your windows search bar and set minecraft onto low power mode, can sometimes solve issues on AMD cards if it's being under utilized
@@fantasypvp I play minecraft with my son. Only problem I'm having with it is it's capped at 65 fps and I can not figure out why.
With prices falling, I went with a Sapphire Pulse 7900 XTX. I am more than happy with performance. 90% of my gaming is MW2 and WarZone 2, so in those titles, I'm closer to a 4090 than 4080. Cost was £950 with a copy of RE4, which is something different to play for "free" at least.
its a great card. with value well into the future. especially if your building your entire Rig (named Rig Astley) from scratch.
bruh is it working good enough now too ?
allways have an eye on Consumption, how much Wattage need those cards in comparison for what they offer. Calculate this with how much you spending for a year.
Damn Daniel
@@sukunamodule9585 Rock solid. Still churns out a ton of FPS in titles I play
The amount of brand fanboyism in the comments is insane, just get the better value card rather than bootlicking companies.
Exactly. So simple. Think for yourself.
Lol gpus are used for more than just gaming my man. Anyone that has to work in certain industries will have to use nvidia because they are just way better at certain non gaming tasks.
@@maxillae2874 This is a gaming channel with a gaming viewer base. Not only you're in the wrong place but you also can't read.
@@Norim_ the video is about Why AMD gpus are so great but no one buys them. I just told you a reason why some people buy Nvidia.
@@maxillae2874 Then comment under the video, because I am talking about a different topic.
Bought an RX6700XT 2 years ago. Still kickin' it. Drivers? I wouldn't say they're bad. In fact, I love how you outlined just how much worse the "GeForce Experience" is - Adrenaline is a nice piece of Software, ReLive in Particular. I've had some issues with a Driver Version back in the days where Horizon Zero Dawn would suffer from a memory leak. However, they fixed that. There are games that just favour Nvidia because they have Nvidia's technology baked in, but AMD still manages to hold their ground.
Go Team Red.
I love AMD GPUs. I upgraded from an RTX3080 to a Radeon 7900XTX and was frankly very pleasantly surprised how superior the Adrenalin software package is to Nvidia, not to mention how smooth the card performs at 4k
I sold my 3080 to my brother and get a 7900 XT great card great value great performance!!!
@@olddadagamer dunno I have RX560 but it does great in streamint with Ryzen 2600 with 32 GB RAM
I got an 7900xt to replace my 3070. Went all AMD with both my rigs this year and I am super happy with them. Can't wait for the 7800X3D !
I just went from a 5700xt to a 3090 and I miss adrenaline. It just didn't always work great. But when it did I was using it almost daily.
Until raytracing coming into play
lower power draw doesn't mean better efficiency. doing more work for the same amount of power or using less power for the same amount of work is more efficient
Nvidia cards are doing exactly that
I convinced a buddy of mine to an Radeon 7800XT. He couldn't be more pleased for the money, and doesn't even use FSR, FL, etc.
Well FSR is usefull for cheaper gpu's when u can't run on 4k or 2k; 7800 xt is like the top dog...it will probably come in handy when games get release in 8k and gpu can't keep up
i’ll say as someone who built a pc about 8 months ago and started with a AMD card, the rx 6700xt and later upgraded to the rx 6950xt w/amd cpu.. i’ve had 0 issues personally. plus with the value it’s kinda crazy. at least with last gen cards. i think it’s the easy choice if you don’t wanna spend a ridiculous amount on a nvidia card.
My first “gaming” PC (smaller tower office computer with a low profile graphics card slapped in) was had an Nvidia card card in it. My first 2 graphics card purchases were heavily swayed by ETA Prime. My first card in 2019 was a low profile GT 1030 then a low profile RX 6400.
Right now with my first actual gaming pc I have RX 6700 XT. Again I loved every Card I used so. Can’t beat the price to performance that AMD offers
Planning to get a 6700xt soon too, it's crazy the performance x price compared to Nvidia, in Brasil, 6700xt is 2700 reais and the 3070 is like 3700/4000, for the same game performance lmao
@@jhowgx same performance but you also got to look at the vram usage that amd has better than nvidia, at least for the 6700/ 3070 type cards... you can find videos of vram usage making re4 remake unplayable at really high settings at 1440p on the 3070
@@slite3276 That's because it's poorly done port by no other than Iron Galaxy. It's a poor taste to bench cards using unoptimized ports, and claim that 8GB cards are dead. Go back to the days of people complaining about the performance of Arkum Asylum. It's no different with RE4 and LoU. They're both VRAM hogs, plain and simple.
@@ABRetroCollections i dident find that iron galaxy ported re4… tlou port was beyond awful but i wasn’t comparing the vram usage to it. Nor did i say 8gb cards are dead, but if everything keeps going the way it is and has been doing the past 20 years, people look forward to newer and higher resolutions just like how we went from 720p>1080p>1440p>4k and now 8k is becoming somewhat playable with the 4090… and also amd with display port 2.1 getting ready for the advancements in resolution upgrades as well… anything that is under 12gb will be left behind much much faster just as say a 2gb card would have 10 years ago
@@ABRetroCollections iron Galaxy didn't do the res4r port, that's the tlou port.
Went with a 6700 XT myself and I can run every game I play on ultra, sure I may not have ray tracing. Yet I payed half of an equivalent nvidia card would have cost, at the time. Even the most graphically intense game I have, Icarus, looks amazing and runs smoothly. Sure if I went and bought a 4090, it would improve with ray tracing and more FPS, yet I do not have $1,600 to blow on one component. When I have about $1,800 in my entire setup and it does everything I need it to do.
Glad ur happy. Ur not missing out much on raytracing. I ended up getting a 3080 over a 6800 xt and rtx still isn’t that usable
Bro i got a 6700xt over a 3060ti. good value and runs all my games very well.
Yeah no need to feel pressured by content creators that are literally sponsored and pay by these manufacturers. In the end no matter its 1080p or 4K you’re all playing the same game.
They just keep bring up the anxiety of not get the latest newest coolest stuff, will the game break if you dial down a few settings? Or will your super vision pick up the difference of few frames. I don’t know man.
The truth actually is that game developers will most likely consider the widest range of gpu possible, you can see in the steam survey the most own cards are still the 1650 1060 and 2060 from years ago. If the game is poorly optimised, you’ll feel shit in a 4090 either way, just upgrade your card when you feel it doesn’t deliver anymore, not because you wanna get robbed today.
@@vextakes Oddly I can go to my local bestbuy and get a 4090 founder edition for $1,600, but on Newegg I can not buy a 3090 for less than $1,800 LOL
Nice
As a 90's gamer who spent a PC build getting burnt by AMD's poor optimization, it's easy for me to understand why NVidia has so much ground. AMD buried themselves. They used to genuinely have buggy cards. I can't express to you the pain of looking up why your game is not working to realize it's an AMD driver issue. This kind of thing is what will make people give up buying your card forever. However, I'm no fool, and I'm also not a 13 year old boy who only built a PC one time before trying an AMD card in an otherwise entirely NVidia build, and modern times have made troubleshooting significantly less of a hassle, so as long as the prices stay consistent, I'll be building my first absolute crackhead overpowered machine with AMD parts. I've been very impressed with how AMD has done with their CPUs over the years and it has made me want to try a "red PC" lately again.
There are other reasons: in these parts (Balkans) there are significantly fewer choices for buyers from the AMD lineup, and the prices are higher compared to elsewhere. I have seen them make more inroads with users lately, if forums are anything to go by. Also, there's the matter of work use, mainly because of nVidia's CUDA cores and how ubiquitous they have become in professional applications such as rendering.
brate kod nas amd ne postoji skoro
Not only do they give us less options in some countries they are even more expensive then nvidia
Not only balkans. AMD plainly produce less. It affects aviability worldwide.
@@y00d Nađe se po oglasima i u nekim radnjama, ali ni blizu kao nVidia. Sad ima više nego ranije.
@@heyhoe168 I know, but I can only speak from experience.
Personally I bought an Nvidia because everything seems to work on the Nvidia, on my AMD card I had a lot of driver issues. But not with the drivers themselfs, but with the apps. With Nvidia everything just... Seems to work... I'd like AMD to comeback and take over the GPU market, since their gpus are REALLY REALLY GOOOD and at a good price
I've had the same experience with two AMD cards in the past. Their hardware is incredible but their software is lacking compared to Nvidia in my experience. At least from a driver's standpoint. Ge-Force experience is incredibly lackluster compared to adrenaline but I don't really use either so it doesn't matter. Also Nvidia just has superior encoders for my experience with OBS. I've never had a single issue recording or streaming with an Nvidia card but AMD used to make me want to rip my hair off. I'm currently rocking an RTX 3070 TI but I still haven't had as much joy as when I first bought my RX 5700 for $250 brand new in 2020.
I've flip flopped in the past between team green and team red but have way more faith in nvidia. The last amd card I had was a 5700xt. On paper that card should have been great, however in my system it just wanted to cook itself and stank of burning plastic. I tried to warranty return it but apparently the fault couldn't be replicated. I ended up losing a bunch of money on it and selling it as faulty. Never had such a problem with nvidia. Same reason I'd buy a BMW over a Peugeot, they just work
i had to return my 7900 xtx the week ive got it, so much bugs and underperforming in a lot of games compared to green, its sad because the 6800xt was a real success before, and the 7000 serie of cpus is so trash take 3 min to boot each time you open your pc lol its literraly the most extremly stupid thing i ever experiences in modern pc's
@@julienlauzon1106 but people will call you an Nvidia shill for sharing your experience. I really want to put my wife on RDNA3 for the bang for the buck but the driver issues are what keeps me from doing it.
@@abramwalker882 I'm reticent to go back to amd, I currently have a 2070s. £600 for the current gen similar offering is a bitter pill and I worry about amd reliability. To be fair, the state of current AAA gaming I'm not massively excited to jump in on anything, maybe my 2070s can last me a bit longer!
Went with a RX 6700 XT and got no complain about it. Runs smoothly in every game, with the latest driver, a bit of undervolting and overclocking, has pretty much passed the RTX 3070 performance in most games (I'm using the strix model which has factory oc). And the UI is really friendly considering a minimum knowledge on GPU optimization.
The stigma towards AMD comes much from the driver issues they had back there and the fact that Nvidia really has a strong marketing. Even knowing that most os AMD GPUs are pair to pair with Nvidia, just the "GeForce RTX" brand is enough to convince the avenger consumer.
Sure they have some really good codecs and blame AMD for not keeping it up, but I do think the percentage of people using those resources are minimal considering the scenario
6700 XT here as well. Cheaper than a 3060 Ti and like you said, trades blows with 3070 while being cheaper and having 50% more VRAM. The only downside is that I cheaped out and bought a model with a crappy cooler (PowerColor Fighter).
Same exact card and I’m very happy with it, but I don’t really care about amd or nvidia or intel. I just get what’s the best value for me. At launch they market the 6700xt to the 3070 and it got slaughtered, but with driver optimisation and price drop, its a no brainer today. No need to feel bad about a multi billion business like its an indie game developer, consumers should just choose what they want to buy.
Got my 6800 non xt for 330$, same price of 3060 coz ppl here also workship Nvidia. 330$ for higher game pef of 550$ 3070ti ( no RT ) why even think xD
Yep got my 6700 non xt for 320 dollars and I'm basically right smack in the middle of 3060 and 3070 performance
I really wanted a 3060ti but their like 480 at any store I got to because I don't like to shop online because I'm never home to pickup packages, found a 6700 for 320 and for my frist amd card I was kinda scared with the whole ddu process and drivers. But honestly it all took 20min and I only have one single complaint which is NFS heat besides that everything runs great
Got the Red Devil RX 6700 XT, I got it for both Gaming and work purposes. With Games barely needed to adjust myself onto Adrenalin Software, what's funny is with how I changed my workflow with apps like 3ds max, Maya, Subtance 3D Painter, Photoshop and Premiere. I barely changed my workflow a bit and I managed to adapt to the GPU nice and easy without relying on CUDA. Like how the comments said, I'm also undervolting my GPU with Adrenalin's Tuning Tab via Performance options. I managed to set it around 2250MHz, 912mV, and power limit to -6%. Pretty much stable and runs beautifully.
Still, after upgrading to a 7800xt, there is no way I would ever switch back to nvidia just because at the price of that card the nvidia counterparts are just not as good.
Never owned an nvidia card, and it would be a tough deal to break since AMD offers way more value for my situation. I recently purchased a 6750XT to upgrade my aging 570, which I had for almost 5 years and considering this one now has 12GB of VRAM it will be more than enough for my needs.
@Shadowyarts oh but the 1050 was a great card when it launched, those were different times .
@@derrick2181 6950XT for $650 is also amazing value though
top tier 4k performance and not bad for ray tracing either
@@bruceludlow1326 It's certainly a good value, but definitely doesn't offer top tier 4k performance.
I guess you don't know then since you've never owned one.
@@itstheweirdguy hell no, and I don't want to own one.
You need to factor in that AMD makes their software to work across all brands of cards. Nvidia is a walled garden, much easier to only make it work with your hardware. Therefore older Nvidia hardware can benefit from AMD support even after Nvidia has stopped supporting their own buyers.
Yes that's just dumb imo, amd needs to stop doing that
@@clinged2711No i think that everyone shpuld be doing like amd imo, they got very good P.R. because if that
its like iOS vs Android
@@FunnyParadox No they shouldn't, there's several issues that take months to fix because of AMD not having card manufacturer's work out the issues, some so bad that they killed people's PCs just earlier this year
@@Scornfull you are telling me a graphic card can kill your pc when running some software made from any brand ? Then that's on the fucking graphic card manufacturer.
even worse it tells you it may be made so it is that bad with other specific software developpers that it is trying to kill itself
Built my first gaming rig last month, went with a R7 5700x and RX 6700 combo for 1080p high refresh gaming at max settings and it was such a good decision lol
Rubbish cpu ,, nice GPU
Great combo
Planning to get almost the same combo, AM4 Is just amazing
@@tilapiadave3234 whats inherently wrong with the cpu?
@@mike5214 literally nothing. He's just brain-dead.
2 years ago, when I decided to build a new gaming pc, I searched for the internet about the game I played and saw that many people with amd cards were having issues like unexplainable fps drops, crashes, stability issues etc. Combine this with 2 broken amd (Radeon) cards I had when I was a child, I decided not to risk it. Maybe the issues are true or just rumors I dont care. This is my leasure time activity and I cannot risk spending my time debugging issues. In the end, decided to go for the Nvidia option even if it was expensive and absolutely 0 issues so far
That's the same boat I was in. I actually did go in on a 6750XT for my build this summer, and the drivers were crashing every single hour on the hour, terminating my games in the process. I honestly didn't feel like spending hours on end trying to fix it, or waiting months for a set of drivers to make my PC usable, so I ended up going back to NVidia, and haven't had an issue since.
I upgraded from an RTX 2080TI to an AMD 7900XTX the only issues I've had after 3 months are.
Some games (mainly Dead Space Remake) have random green or purple reflection (fixed simply by changing the reflection settings)
And the hardware cursor being stuck on screen. (Fixed by tabbing out and back in)
Otherwise it's a great upgrade if you are going for near top tier and don't care for ray tracing
I currently have a RTX 2080 and at the time (2019) I was planning on upgrading to the RTX 4080....that changed once the price was announced and the RTX 4070ti seems to have its own big compromise (12gb ram) at its price. So now I'm considering the RX 7900 XT or the RX 7900 XTX (price dependant) towards the end of this year.
Even if you do care for ray tracing.
Did you remove all the nvidia stuff from your PC? It can also make some issues. 😞
Still problems you didn`t have with Nvidia, and there are way more to come.
@@brugj03 Lol, I recently moved from 4090 to 7900 XTX and have less problems. With 4090 system would fail to wake from sleep, clks would be stuck to 700MHz even when game was running, random audio drops... Sucks to be the guy that has never used both and has given both brands their fair share.
If the 7900xt and xtx launched at $699 and $799 respectively, it’d be more well received than it is right now. It’s hard to budge the market leader, so amd needs to priced their gpu to have great values compared to the competition imo. Great video btw!
Agreed... if they can sell it very competitively cheaper to make it no brainer to go AMD, I bet they'll get people to move, increasing their current market dhare. Though, I bet Nvidia would just match/adjust to the lower price too, so unfortunately AMD choses to bring their prices way too high (to match nvidia's) that maybe people would just think "Nvidia is better and doesn't cost that much more, so I'll go to Nvidia "
@@shyhrk exactly this. I have a 6800XT but for people who have always bought NVidia, you need to give them a reason to change. If the just price match NVidia, what’s the point?
Volume will hit capacity at some point, but more importantly, they are a business. They want to make money. They want money to reinvest in themselves. They want to grow their R&D, their marketing, their sales, their other divisions.
Asking for that price is asking for competitive prices at the expense of the company's future. Look what happened about 10 years ago? When they were selling so cheap, so competitive that they were unable to spend enough time and money in R&D and almost disappeared from the market.
I mean... C'mon people. I also would LIKE all those top end cards to be much MUCH cheaper, but 799$ for a flagship product when the competitor, market leader, most powerful brainwasher goes for 1599$? If they didn't sell at 1600+ USD, it'd be one thing, but they do.
I'm more worried about the low end disappearing completely and the midrange going up to 400-600$. Price creep all around... But not *entirely* unwarranted. (cries in multivaried factors of shafting cost)
@@TheGheddon nvidia fan will always say about the AMD's driver issues so that sometime the new pc builder heard from other about the bad rumor spread by word of mouth. Honestly nvidia have more user base so it's not strange if they will pick nvidia first b'coz it's look more reliability from number of user
Definitely. If the RX7900XTX was around $700-$800, I'd have bought one. Now I spent extra for extra performance and better efficiency and bought an RTX4090. AMD positioned the RX7900XTX for the RTX4080 to be an enticing upsell. And the RTX4090 is a good upsell when you're considering the RTX4080. If the RX7900XTX was between $700-$800, the RTX4080 wouldn't have been an enticing upsell, and the RTX4090 wouldn't have been worth mentioning.
Now I will spend another 5-6 years with an Nvidia GPU in my main rig.
The encoders part is largely why I don't have amd today. Made a big difference in editing workflow for my case.
I've purchased ATI/AMD video cards twice in my life (I've been building PCs since 1997). Both times gave me such headaches I've said "Never again". Yeah, driver issues were part of that headache but even ignoring that, one of my cards was a lemon with constant crashes, while the other lasted just over a year (coincidentally 2 months out of warranty). I'm sure their newer cards are more reliable, better drivers, etc. But I've never had any issues with the 7 or 8 NVIDIA cards I've owned. That's why I keep buying them.
I bought an refurbished AMD 8go 580, black screen one week before end of warranty, a friend gave me one nvidia 970 that already live a good life, I played a lot and no problems, honestly im hesitant to buy AMD again
@@flowinnature8235 Buying it Refurbished is the issue. That's already taking a chance that it'll not work as it was meant. This goes for the used market on top. You can't really pin the blame on AMD or Nvidia when you buy used or refurbished. Especially when you don't know exactly what the gpu went through before you got a hold of it. And yes, this means you can't always trust your friends when you buy from them. People will lie to sell their old cards, to upgrade. It's happened to many people already, and no one is special in this regard.
@@xalderin3838 indeed, I take that into account 👍
Buy intel then
It's absolutely mind-boggling to me that NVidia still has 75% of the GPU share for Steam users. Now, in some of these cases I do get it. The 2nd most common card on Steam is the 4060 laptop, and I think Nvidia just generally comes in more laptops than AMD. But a 3060 and 4060 being in the top 3? Why?
If you're buying low-end NVidia, you're basically saying you don't care about the lighting tech anyways. And then if value is your concern, you're better off just buying the previous gen RTX XX70 over the current gen RTX XX60, or buying the same on-gen AMD card within the same bracket. You will almost always be on-par or slightly better off in raw performance, and even when you're 1-2% behind you're saving literally 50% in some of these scenarios. I mean, damn you could literally go buy a used 1080 TI for $140 and have better performance than the 3060 if you're really that dedicated to buying from a specific brand.
It's so interesting to me because this market seems to have a good chunk of informed consumers vs some others. Most people who are spending money on pc parts tend to do a fair bit of research beforehand... at least that was my impression. But at the same time how could you do any research at all and come to the conclusion of buying a brand new XX60 series Nvidia GPU anytime in the past 11 years?
Prebuilts PC's... that's your answer. And I heard in certain countries AMD GPUs are the same price, if not more expensive or just don't exist.
@@monkeyking4320 That makes sense I guess. Also iIf it's true that AMD doesn't match price to region that's ridiculous of them. They're meant to be the value option that should be an obvious and easy move for them.
The funny thing is the 4060 is garabage same price like 7700xt
I guess that's because I've never had any problems with Nvidia. I had the GTX 970 for 9 years, and it never failed me once. The driver support has been excellent until this day, and I've had the same positive experience going back to the early 2000s.
enjoy your 3.5 GB i guess.
Still rolling my 970 after 8 years, not a single issue with drivers or hardware, still playing low setting with 80+ fps
On one hand I get it. On the other hand... Dont you wanna get more bang for buck with your money?
Im not a fanboy of either company... I just buy AMD because for the same cash I get a way better card
@@mejdlocraftci yeah i know AMD has better price / performance ratio but i'm not a person who upgrade frequently. My PCs are built for the next 5-6 years so I don't mind spending a little bit more. I just built a new PC and am happy with the performance.
@@royalecrafts6252 yeah it still runs 1080p pretty well if you reduce the settings to mid-low. I've finally upgraded to the 4070 btw
I bought my RX5700 back in January 2020, right before all that COVID and crypto mining stuff. And this was probably one of my most successful purchases. Except for recent AI image generators (which are mainly using CUDA), I don't really have a reason to switch to NVidia
this is my main gripe. Having to stand linux and weird installs with AMD to set up Stable Diffusion is such a pain.
With Nvidia is as simple as to start up 1111 on Window and it works FASTER. I'm a bit tired...
Same for me. I bought a 5600XT, and it's been great. For me, I'm almost exclusively on Linux, so the open source drivers for AMD are a huge win
Same. But i sold it as soon as the crypto boom came.
Bought a a 3070 for the money i recieved.
Fun part was, that i had the worst 5700xt i had to physically mod to be useful. And new buyer wasn't bothered. :D
i got 6700xt for 380$ this year right after ces 2023 because didnt see any info about the new 7000 mid range card . so far this card is great for 1440p in any games . If i change to 4k monitor I will just open fsr in every it will still give me like 80~90fps . I think its great value
if you need AI image generation, there are options for AMD. try using SharkSD. it has a built-in feature to recompile the models to work specifically with your gpu. works wonders on AMD. it still won't be as fast as an equivalent nvidia, but i mean, 6.8 it/s on 512x512 images is hardly bad for my 6900xt. generates a good image in like 3 seconds. a 5700xt should be about half as fast, which is good enough to almost match a 2060...
Last year (Nov) I bought an AMD RX6800 to drive my 1440p UW (3440 x1440) monitor and have had zero performance issues with any games and zero driver issues. Power and fan management have been excellent also. Very satisfied.
Nvidia is the Apple in GPUs
I think Nvidia also has an easier naming scheme betweem GPU and intel CPU "tiers". Easier for newer people to understand what they're even looking at it
I feel like you can still enjoy using both at the end of the day. No such thing as a bad GPU just badly priced GPUs. I have a 4070 in my main system for ultrawide 1440p gaming just because the 6800 XT is impossible to find here in Australia for a reasonable price, and in my 1080p system which I still use every other day has a 6650 XT and honestly I find both of them great, especially surprised with the performance a ryzen 5 3600 and the 6650 can output. There's nothing wrong with enjoying products from each company.
Amd is great price but cheap perf while nvidia is terrible price but superior perf, anyway nvidia is better
I’ve been thinking of upgrading from my 3080ti and I’m definitely going with the 7900 xtx. It just feels like Nvidea hates gamers and that we’re just a nuisance to them.
Didn't wanna get a 4090?
@@xpodxDude, the 4090's MSRP alone is $500 more than the 3080 TI's MSRP, and the actual price is even higher, around double the 3080 TI's MSRP. No shit they don't want to buy it if it's that expensive. There gets to be a point where even people who have more than enough money can understand that something costs way too much.
@ambientNexus I definitely will when I got money at the end of the year if it comes out.
@ambientNexus if you have the money why wouldn't you? Never enough power. I game at 4k 144hz and 5k 60hz so I need more power
Amd cards just cannot compete in performance. I love amd cpus, but they lost the gpu market. Ray tracing performance is so bad that sane people who are into next gen stuff shouldnt even consider even the best amd card, because they are so weak
Four years ago, I took the plunge and got an AMD CPU. Last year, I took the plunge and got an AMD GPU. Compared to my lifelong experience with the Intel/Nvidia duo, I'd say it was a learning curve: Intel CPUs and Nvidia GPUs are usually fine out of the box. My 3700X and 6700XT both took some tweaking to perform at their best. But wow. The performance/price ratio is fantastic!
"Life is too short for cheap graphic cards. Buy a RTX 4090. It's worth it." - Isaac Newton.
corny
Did he really say that?
@@Batman-bm5tuHe did, I was there.
Went from Vega 64 to RX 5700 XT to RX 6800, once in all these years of upgrades had a bad driver update. That was with the 5700 XT where youtube would crash. I rolled back an update but they fixed it within a week and could update further. I had a 2060 briefly because I could get it for cheap from a friend. I had decided to stay with the Vega 64 since performance was actually better aswell as software heavy preference for AMD and the 2060 had loads of issues with Warzone.
After my 1080Ti croaked, I replaced it with a Radeon VII. That card was fine, but loud. I replaced it with a Red Devil 5700XT and loved it. Replaced that with a 6800XT in my main PC and put a 6700XT in my LAN PC, super pleased. No intention of buying Nvidia again any time soon.
From my gaming experience, having been both an AMD and Nvidia customer, I would say, at least for me, I have had better luck with Nvidia drivers. Both are not perfect, but for me, Nvidia has been closer to having perfect drivers... they also seem to update their drivers more often.
Just imagine having to suffer from Driver Overhead or not having enough VRAM... all those AMD drivers DELUSIONS would just feel like nothing in comparison...
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Only have experience with one AMD card, rest was all Nvidia (Well and a voodoo2 XD) the 5700xt. Experience was terrible. Like I didn't even know driver issues were a thing before getting AMD XD
Some games wouldn't even run and then they'd release one update that would fix one thing while breaking a bunch of others....
Never had anything even remotely close with Nvidia (usually I don't even update unless I get a new game and it notifies me of a new driver)
I've used exclusively Nvidia for the past 15 years and very recently bought an AMD card (RX 6700) for the very first time. Maybe AMD drivers were bad in the past? I don't know. But, as it currently stands, I've personally found AMD drivers to be far better designed with more useful features as compared to Nvidia. Especially when compared to GeForce experience which is just bad when you compare it to AMD's streaming and recording tools built into their drivers.
@@piyush2202 I'm glad that the AMD experience has improved over the years and that it's good for you. Thanks.
I wait 3+ months for benchmarks, driver updates, thermals etc to be published. For two decades now, I've been able to build and upgrade PCs with only rare, minor issues using both AMD and NVIDIA. From personal experience, sw/hw engineering are demanding and grueling fields where executives force employees to launch on arbitrary dates. If you simply don't buy at launch and check on updated reviews after a few months, you'll be fine.
so happy I'm still hitting it with a GTX 1060. I'd like to upgrade to AMD but my video editing software works better with Nvidia. Still not missing much atm.
I'm in the market for a 1440p GPU and I'm seriously considering going to AMD because of the cost to performance. Thanks for the video!
I did that. I have to 1440p monitors and I have a 6700xt. I'm happy with it.
@@evacody1249 that's great to hear because I have a 1660 ti so I'm looking to jump up to 1440p from 1080p gaming. I was looking at the 6700xt but I wasn't sure if prices were going to drop in April according to rumors
Why not just 4k?
@@007GoldenLion the difference in visuals is not worth the difference in price vs 1440p whereas 1080p vs 1440p has a big difference
@@gekos9829 You must play on very small screens or sit far away because the jump to from 1440p to 4k is big..... A smaller screen hides lower resolution imperfections and a large screen allows you to appreciate higher resolution details not visible at lower resolution or smaller screens.
Got an 6900 xt and I'm completely satisfied (both with adrenaline control center & gpu performance). Used to own cards with different gpus starting from s3 trio, tseng labs, s3 savage,not amd owned radeon, geforce 9xx etc.. always choose the one the met my goals for reasonable buck.
I'm glad that the 6900xt wasn't popular. I just netted a nitro plus version for $500.
The reason I rarely buy an AMD GPU is actually related to my terrible experience with their graphics cards back in the ATI days (mainly related to their drivers). I started playing computer games using an ATI graphics card, and it absolutely sucked. Frequent black screens, game crashes, blue screens, you name it. When I switched to an Nvidia graphics card, the issue went away. I've been majorly sticking with Nvidia since. But I guess it might be time for a change.
Same here. Lot of years ago Had AMD card and it's driver loved crashed. That made me switch to Nvidia sadly
My first 3D accelerator was an Nvidia Riva 128 ZX which I quickly replaced with a Voodoo 2 because it sucked so hard. Everything after that has been Nvidia, though I absolutely hate them for their price gouging and skimming on RAM. But from a pure technology standpoint, unfortunately, for many years AMD has just been playing catch up. I would love to switch.
I have a 7900xtx that i got like 5 months ago and have had 0 issues with it, the drivers are absolutly ok
Yeah I would definitely say there's a world of difference since the old days. RX 480 on my side is still going, no glitches I have seen that I could attribute to graphics drivers so far, it feels just as stable as the Nvidia cards i had before it. Some games just do crash randomly even if you play with internal GPU or maybe other parts in the PC are unstable, or cleaning the PC with air duster used too much pressure and knocked some GPU components/capacitors loose over time. Some 3rd party GPU makers are also more reliable than others I bet, but that would go for Nvidia/Intel cards as well. No matter the brand just go for the cheapest stable card suiting your needs. AMD was it for my case then, just don't buy purely on brand loyalty.
Exactly. My first ATI graphics was the ATI Rage XL with 8MB of vram. I have issues with them before with compatibility. That's the reason why I have been into nVidia.
"No one buys them" I use it go away
I just went from a 2070 laptop to a self built desktop and after watching a tonne of framerate comparisons opted for the 7900XTX. Zero regrets, although I actually really quite liked the GeForce Experience software personally.
its not bad but needing a account to access it is extremely dumb.
I dunno, I'm liking AMD Adrenaline a lot more than GeForce Experience, and this is only two days in.
I just switched from a prebuilt 2080 to my custom rig with a 7900xt. I went for it after seeing how some xtx models were having power issues. I’d have to say I like the adrenaline software a lot more than GeForce after learning how to use it properly
Adrenalin is a lot better if you look the features on it.
GFE isn't nVidia's big driver issue.. it's the control panel UI they've been using for 23 years.
I had the 5700xt as my first built pc. It was great back then and i hardly had issues with the firmware. Then I jumped to the 3080 for the upgrade, where, ironically had driver issues when playing forza horizon 5. But I bought Nvidia because of the nvenc for game recording and photography and videography production and also potential cad software support.
Genuine question tho. If I can have FSR on any of my Nvidia card. And on top of that combine it with DLSS if I own RTX card. Why would I ever go for AMD cards? Yes they are cheaper but will it matter soon?
New FSR is coming soon. And Nvidia has low VRAM unless you spend 1000 or 2000 on 4080 and 4090.
Why is Vram important? Newer games will have a problem running on those low 8gb and 12gb Vram cards. Most AMD are 16GB for same price as a 8gb nvidia. AMD is futurr proof
@@94jmbottaro lol he said 12gb is low
Comparatively it is.
Regardless, everything he said was true, so it's kinda weird to get hung on that detail.
It will matter if Nvidia keep this up.
@@94jmbottaro XXXXD Vram is not so important, why use ultra preset on hogward lagacy and use 10-11gb vram at 1440p ultra when you can use high and get almost the same result for 7gb vram ?(even 4K high uses 9gb). it's the exact same problem as RT : you get a bit better looking game but for a lot of performance cost. and honestly beside the 3070 ti,3080(10gb), 4060 ti(8gb) all the nvidia gpu are vram balanced, don't think that a 6800 16 gb vram is an argument over nvidia amd put a lot of vram on their gpu because they are vram hungry and use it as a cheap way to make a marketing argument. it's really the graphical presets that influence the most vram utilization not the resolution. i think it's better to go down to high and play at a higher res so for me 12 gb is completely fine, 8gb is fine depending on the class of the card(7600 xt with 16gb what joke!!??? just marketing) and 16 gb is for the top end like 7900, 4080...and 24 gb on ly make sense for the 4090.
I've been using AMD since my first build like 15 years ago, planning on sticking with them. About to upgrade my system again, been a few years
Same. Started at the r9 250, then rx460, then rx470 then rx6600.
I've been using AMD since they were ATi cards 😁
@@SirBrucie Shit you're young! I went from ...
Cirrus Logic 512kb ISA
Tseng Labs ET4000AX 2MB ISA
Matrox Mystique PCI
3Dfx VooDoo 4MB PCI
Nvidia Rvia TNT2 Ultra 32MB AGP
ATI Radeon 8500 AGP
Nvidia Geforce 4 Ti4800SE AGP
ATI Radeon 9800 XXL (XT) AGP
Nvidia 7800 GST AGP
ATI Radeon X1950XTX PCI-X
ATI Radeon HD4770 (x2) Crossfire PCI-X
ATI Radeon HD 5970 PCI-X
Nvidia GTX970 (x2) SLI PCI-X
AMD RX 5600XT (x2) Crossfire PCI-X
See, I always made the best decision, at the time, given what was available on the market in terms of performance vs price, whenever I wasn't happy with my current card, after checking benchmarks from 5-10 different sources!
Right now I'm looking at either a used 6800XT or waiting to see what performance the 7700XT brings. If it's better value than the used 6800XT, I'll take it instead. Nothing from Nvidia is coming close in comparison right now. And I don't see that changing, unfortunately.
@@burwood69 AMD have no marketing. Performance speaks for itself. Benchmarks never lie. All you need is a brain. Leave your emotions at home.
@@burwood69 The FX8350 was worth exactly what it cost, same with an FX6300.
If you watch benchmarks, if you crunch the math before buying, you never make a mistake. Any mistake you make, you do so because YOU made a mistake, not because you were scammed, lied to, misled, etc.
Do the math. Do the homework. Crunch the numbers. Work out what is the best product for what you need. And buy it.
Don't be a dummy! XD Be a smarty, and then your kids will also be smarties.
I was being recommended a 30 series card as my first one to buy. It wouldve still been a great card to get, but I wouldnt have been able to afford it, by when I wanted my pc. I ordered a refurbished rx 590, it was more than great for what I needed, but had some problems with many of the games I played. So I returned it and ordered an ARC a750 instead. I only paid $40 difference between the two cards I purchased, and I have gotten the same performance I would have for buying a 3060, for about $100 less. I am happy to support either AMD or Intel in the gpu market.
How is arc so far? I consider it as an upgrade, because everything else is just more expensive for same performance, and there is still lots of potential in it, but possible problems with it spook me.
For me personally, AMD is just for gaming but Nvidia it’s for gaming - streaming - editing etc. Some will say that AMD can do that as well yet not as good as nvidia
Untill you get to RX 7900 GRE price range, AMD is better. Then Nvidia starts getting ahead. RTX 4070 Ti SUPER, RTX 4080 SUPER and RTX 4090 are ACTUALLY worth it, other cards are just meh, only RT is better than AMD.
4070 super is just $50 more i know it has lesser vram but i will take it than have bad drivers, no nvenc, geforce recording is just better plus dlss and ray tracing
They got me when they came out with ryzen. Just got a 7950x3d to try out and Im looking to get the 7900xtx liquid devil once the opportunity comes up. Im definitely glad they stepped it up.
Always go for sapphire nitro +
@@tahahaider5836 i can second this for that is the card I'm using right now. last week i saw it on sale for $560 for fathers day weekend. WHAT A STEAL!
Built an AMD/ATI machine with my dad that lasted 11 years. Fun fact, none of the hardware went bad, just didnt have any driver support and couldnt update anymore..
Team Red for life.
Okay one problem I have is that the steam survey doesn't work every time I do it it gets my hardware wrong
The 7900 xtx is faster then the 4080 and has 8 gb more vram and were calling amd overpriced?the 4080 is 200+ more and offers less raw performance and 16 gb of vram is to low for a card of that price.ray tracing wont mean anything in 2 years when the 4080 cant give you enough vram to run it
Considering AMD is making software updates for cards from 2005, buying an AMD card is great value. I'm actually in a funny situation where I want to upgrade but the RX 6600 is just too much of a BEAST. With my R9 5900x it just eats games.
The 7900 xrx is not faster than the 4080 especially with dlss 3.5
@@mynamejeffgaming Everyone knows you're wrong because no serious person uses Dlss in their comparisons. That's not how it works. You don't even know why it doesn't work that way.
That's a disingenuous argument. They're both overpriced.
Right, it`s heaven on paper but hell in real world. Seems you rather have great specs than a great gaming experience.
You hear that a lot with AMD.
my last 3 cards have been AMD and my next will most likely be AMD great speed for the money. I have had 0 problems and i usually recommend AMD if people like value.
I tried the Arc a770 and i don't regret it. Amazing card for the money.
You cant say with Amd 0 issue I have Msı Rx 6600 xt Gaming X and in a mounth 1-2 time ım taking watman problem. Im playing 4 hours in a day.
@@pilotpencil3959 " I" can say zero issues, because "I" have had zero issues. I do some solidworks and play some world of nerdcraft and have no issues. "I" can't speak for other people though.
@@pilotpencil3959 I've been using an XFX 6600 XT for over a year all day every day and I've had zero issues. I've benchmarked hundreds of games too.
@@lordcommandernox9197 Now try benchmarking video encoding and you will see how bad amd cards are for anything else than gaming. With amd you lose the NVENC codec and H265 encoming.
Seriously considered the XTX when compared directly to the 4080, however for the value (or lack thereof) people say if you’re spring for the 4080, one might as well get the 4090… for which there is no current AMD equal.
The thing is a normal person doesn't need a high end cards.
but your games will run better on 7900xtx cause devs develop for consoles and with amd vid card inside 1st then convert to run for PC that runs an AMD card. devs don't like developing games from scratch for NVDIA well except for COD
I love how Novideo guys always fall for their marketing. The 4090 is basically a Titan-class card, but because it is named like a regular consumer card, people be like "GuEsS I BuY ThAt tHeN
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Tbh id rather people not buy amd so that they stay cheap
I just bought a Red Devil 7900XT for $729.99 before taxes so they have gone down more but I also fear that the next generation of gpu’s will jump in price suddenly
The more people buy it the cheaper they are tho just because of production at scale
The 6700xt/ 6750xt best money for value, people have no clue!
Is the Radeon 7900XTX 24Gb GPU a good graphics card?
I went from a 1650 Super to a rx6600 which had ultimately lead me to buy the rx 7900 xt this year and im in love with it. I had bought the XFX model and for 800 I cant see anything beating its price to performance. It runs so well that I don't even need to turn on FSR with the amount of frames I get. For anyone getting into gaming and want to get the best bang for their buck I really would consider looking into the 6000 series. It feels like a no brainer especially if you're only looking into just gaming.
I mean a little while ago you could find 4070ti’s going around for 700-800, slightly less powerful overall than the 7900xtx but better ray tracing performance, depends entirely on your purposes. But I don’t see why you would recommend the 6000 series unless you’re just doing free marketing for AMD, because right now you can get a stronger, cheaper card from nvidia in every performance bracket. The 3060ti matches the price of the 6700xt but performs better, the 3070 is significantly cheaper and performs slightly better than the 6800xt. The 6900xt offers a pretty unbeatable price to performance, but the 4070 offers very similar price to performance with a significant boost in performance for a moderate price increase. AMD isn’t really in a good position currently, because none of their products besides the 6900xt actually offer good price to performance in comparison to nvidia, at the moment
@@JuSSayZ Nobody cares about ray tracing if you go AMD. AMD just offers better price to performance Period. Its a useless gimmick to run RT unless you play on 1080p so that you only suffer performance from RT. But if you have a 2k or even worse a 4k monitor your performance is just horrible, especially with the 30 series cards. With the 40 series you get some playable frames but it's still extra you have to shell out for a feature that just tanks performance, while that extra money you put for RT can just get you a better GPu with AMD. But most importantly an overall better gaming experience. Also, you can't say "ooh drivers this and that" cause they both drop the same amount in a year, and both have issues of their own. Also 3060ti goes for 100-200 extra than a 6700xt and is kinda the same story for the rest of the cards. LOL where are you getting these prices from? Its absurd and a blatant lie. In pure just gamming. AMD wins with price to performance.
@@hectortriana4146 the prices are coming from amazon, if you're looking at used prices then it's a pointless conversation because in theory I can find an RTX 4090 for $600 used. Retail price, nvidia gpu's are in the same price range as AMD's offers for similar performance, and perform better (RT or not) except for in a couple instances such as the 6900xt, which does offer a really good price to performance ratio at the moment.
Right now, on amazon, you can get the MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Ti LHR for $410. The 6700xt retails for an average of $410 on amazon, with the cheapest listing being $370 from PowerColor. If you want to say that $40 takes it out of the price range of the PowerColor 6700xt (which is your only $370 option besides the XFX speedster) then sure the 3060ti is more expensive, but it is not anywhere near $100-200 more. It's $40 in the worst case, and in reality they both retail for the exact same price which is $410. The 3060 also performs better, whether you're talking about RT or not, it benchmarks better in most titles.
No one said RT was amazing tech, all I said was that the Nvidia options for last gen are cheaper and perform better; in the instances where the perform so similarly that it's indistinguishable, you also get the benefit of dedicated RT cores if you chose to go that route. No clue why you chose that as an opening as I literally only wrote one sentence briefly mentioning that RT cores are beneficial.
No one ever mentioned drivers either. I never said anything to the effect of "gaming on AMD is bad/AMD drivers are bad/Nvidia doesn't have the same problems AMD has," I simply stated that the 6000 series from AMD doesn't make sense when you have cheaper options that perform better from nvidia at the moment. This isn't a lie, you can find the retail prices on amazon, the only person lying about prices is you when you claim that a 3060ti is $100-200 more, when in reality you can get both cards for the exact same price, with an option to get an AMD card for $40 less if you chose one of those two cards that I mentioned.
Cheapest 3060 option: $410
Cheapest 6700xt option: $370
Cheapest 3070 option: $530 (average is $550, that's $150 less than the cheapest 6800xt option.)
Cheapest 6800xt option: $699
Cheapest 6900xt: $650. This is the only AMD option that's beating Nvidia's price and performance from last gens options. But again, you can get similar price to performance from the rtx 4070 which costs $800. It's $150 more but you do get significantly better performance.
@@JuSSayZ tell me your kidding! Right? Right?
Honestly with the release of both brands upcoming midrange GPUs, I feel like AMD, if the value is great and their marketing focuses on that, can really shine like nvidia did with the 1060, given the current decline of economies globally.
last year i bought a 7900xtx, i used it for about 3 weeks. and in 3 weeks i got multiple crashes and driver errors. i tried ddu, fresh reinstall, underclock and still no solution. here i could return it within 30 days so i did and got a rtx4080 and i have it for almost a year now and i got 0 issues. it works just stock.
Still gotta make a point about drivers tho. As great as these cards can be, my 5700XT was a nightmare to deal with in terms of drivers. Constant video driver crashes, settings drop to default every time when the system doesn't have a proper shutdown. Look, I use Nvidia not because I like them. I use Nvidia 'cause it provides at least some sense of stability. The latest driver issue with 20% CPU performance drop was an unexpected punch in the stomach from team Green and it didn't make things any better than they are now, but AMD messed with my work and gaming constantly so I use 3080 on my main rig. I don't like both sides. AMD provides more features and possibilities but it feels gimmicky, cheap and "great value" in a bad sense, while Nvidia feels exactly like Apple. Like a bunch of constantly smiling men in suits, who want to sell you hardware for 3 times its real price. Waiting for Intel to reach high-end market
Same my first video card was 5700XT crashes all the time for the whole 3 years AMD was so late in their drivers and mostly they fix something and fucked something else, I bought 4090 and never had a crash never even once, i never felt happier 😭
Yep same, first and last AMD gpu for me...
I would not pin my hopes on Intel, though, it will be certainly worse than AMD in this regard.
Great to see amd improving. Most biases me and friends have are because every old amd card we had either died or had major driver issues (always used DDU), it was a trade off for us poor college kids back then. Looks like they might’ve fixed the issue and hopefully they actually maintain quality and don’t slip back. Then we get onto software that’s often reactionary and late, and just not as good implementation, but open source that’s good. The hope is it forces nvidia to create more open software, as their implementations are often better, but let’s be honest they won’t. We need more competition it’s always good for the consumer.
I've owned cards from both brands over the last 15 years and I can say without a doubt that from the rx400 series onward AMD has given me no reason to look elsewhere for a gpu. Driver updates are frequent and meaningful, software has become downright good with full control over voltage, vram and core clock speeds and fully customizable fan curves. It's at a point now where I haven't even thought about downloading Afterburner in several years, which I think says a lot in itself. It's also nice that there's so many monitors being released with freesync compatibility. I haven't had vsync enabled in any game for I don't even know how long. Buttery smooth with no tearing.
I was on the fence fighting wheather to get the rtx 3080 or 6800xt but in the end gave into the 6800xt as didint care about raytracing or DLSS anyway and was much cheaper, the extra VRAM, lower power draw and faster in regular games is all things to love, never had driver issues personally been a really solid card for over a year now
Now You Got FSR 3.0 for You GPU 😊
Got a 6800 too.
And yeah 1440p and no raytracing for me either.
Since I simply don't care about that for now.
Really solid card
@@igeloi Got a 6600 but an overpowered Ryzen 9 5900x as well. 1080p gaming super satisfied. Eats games.
I’m gonna go with an RX 7900 XT GRE. 4070 Super Ti performance for $300 less. This will be my first build. AMD 7 7800X3D of course.
One area where open source does help far more is server side computation; i.e. HPC. That coupled with lower power means that AMD is starting to eat input NVIDIA / Cuda. Vulkan compute will help too.
I don't think I can agree here.... nVidia is CUDA, which is the basis for most computations. Also the 4000 series is less power hungry than the 7000's... Also nVidia already has purpose built IC's using CUDA cores for automated cars with expansion capabilities just for doing those computations. (outside of the consumer GPU market).
AMD should be marketing for value per dollar. That's where they can gain an advantage, but they overhype their consumer products and then under-deliver. It's almost a meme at this point when they say they are going to clobber nVidia's top tier card.... They won't. Stop saying you will. Say you will offer better value for the people not dropping $1600 on a new video card.
@@Michael_Archer78 oH NooO they HAvenT TaRgeTed the 0,1% gpu that no one but extremely stupid rich individuals would ever buy
Lmao they beat Nvidia in every price segment except for the one exorbitantly high priced card that no one cares about and which will become obsolete as a top tier product in half a year only to be surpassed by amd and Nvidia cards at half the price
Going for good performance exclusively on one very niche halo tier product won’t give you marketshare, it’s the 200-400$ cards that make up 99% of sales and this a a class where Nvidia can’t compete at all.
But keep looking at fake frames, with too low vram to make use of your excellent raytracing Performance, while gamers will pay half for better performance in every aspect
Nvidia shills can’t stop coping
I have used 7900XTX for 3 month and still everyday I check for driver update. Most issues are resolved but still not as good as nvidia on day 1.
Yeah they do have driver issues, I think in tests from a year ago and now the gpu’s have gotten 11% better or something
The biggest factor for me has always been and still is DLSS upscaling. I know there's many images showing that FSR looks pretty much the same, but when you're actually playing a game that's just not true. DLSS does motion a lot better. If performance wasn't much of a concern, I would leave FSR off, but still use DLSS quality.