I just made my first drawer set (3) for a bespoke wardrobe job. Really happy with them. I used the Blum concealed runners so my bottom panel was set up 25mm. I used a 6.3mm router bit for the grooves which was perfect for the 6mm MDF bottom. This was my first wardrobe build using your method of build a level subframe on the floor first which was so helpful. I’m definitely doing that going forward. Thanks.
Amazing, to be honest I haven't used the concealed runners much. That's good to know some of my vids are helping people. Any other vids you may need for the future let me know 👍👍
OK I will do, to be honest most the drawers I make are for wardrobes and behind doors, so when the drawer is opened the door doesn't allow you to see the side of the drawer so you never see them. I will buy some though and play around with a set 👍👍
Sorry for the silly question, but why even add the rebate beyond helping with the pin gun alignment? Couldn't you just pin, glue and screw the bottom right up against the underside of the butt joints? I'm relatively new to woodworking so sorry if this is obvious to everyone else!
Hello I’ve watched the drawer design video and am nearly ready to have a go. Can I ask is it possible to make the drawer without the rebate. I’m not equipped to make rebate.I was hoping to glue the base and pin and screw without the rebate. Could this work. Or if I bought a palm router could I make a jig to cut the rebate. Hope you can answer. 👏🙏👍
Hi! Yes sure, you can make the drawer without a rebate. The reason for the rebate is not to see the edge of the drawer bottom. But it's not necessary if you don't mind seeing the edge. 👍👍
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop okay thanks for reply 👍. . I’m really enjoying the experience of making this wardrobe as a project It’s all been down to your advice off the channel it’s working out pretty ok for a beginner tbh. I’ve watched a fair few but yours seem to be more concise and understandable. It’s great to see someone giving back the knowledge so freely. I know it promotes your business but I know the work you put in to showcase what you do. Anyway I’m off to order my drawer clips and leave you in piece now. 👍👍😂😂
Thank you 😊 My smaller compressor is as quiet as a mouse but this one is ridiculous! I may line my new workbench cubby hole for the compressor in celotex, good shout 👍👍
A great sharing video! Thank you for that! Perhaps I'm wrong, you seem to apply Osmo Polyx coating to the preassembled pieces of the drawer. This would imply that during assembly you glue up two pieces where at least one piece is coated with Osmo , and the result is apperently sturdy enough ... Am I correct?
Thank you! Yes you are correct, but it's alot simpler to oil components rather than a complete drawer. The Downside is what you just mentioned. I havnt seen and detrimental effects from this though and the drawers so far have held together 😁👍
Hi - one other question. You mention oiling the plywood. What do you use? I'm about to build a chest of drawers using birch ply and would appreciate your suggestion / recommendation. Thx!
Hi Colin, I use an osmo woodwax finish or osmo polyx oil. They do a range of colours and tints and also clear. For a clear finish then a clear polyx oil is good or if you don't want the wet look ( wood darkens very slightly when you put a clear oil) then go for a raw polxy oil. This has white pigment in it that keeps the wood looking as original colour as possible. All of these are from Osmo and thats all I use to be honest when protecting wood and birch etc 👍👍
Thank you. For me it's just down to what the customer wants. They both do the same job and maybe birch is tougher over the years as its a real wood in layers. I personally love birch, but it is considerably more money than mdf
Hi Ryan I plan to cut the rebates for the drawer bases with a trimmer router having not used a router since school. I’m going to buy the Katsu version just to get started. Would you know which router bit would deal with the cut dimensions you do. Could I do this cut in one pass ? Embarrassing question tbh but have to ask 👍
Hello! Firstly I'd like tonsay thank you for joining my youtube membership it really is appreciated 😊 I'm filming just atm so as soon as it is over, I'll pop over to my cutter section and will send over some info for you... It should be a few hours or so if that's ok? Cheers ryan 😊👍👍👍
Worth every penny mate I wish I had done it sooner . Thank you whenever you have time. I’ve never set a trim router up so I’m looking at the information on you tube it’s very confusing as a lot are American. Also one last thing my drawers sides will measure in total 470mm is there a specific length of runner. Im guessing 450 mm. As I’m buying 4 pairs I don’t want to mess it up 😂.
Thats really nice to hear mate, thanks :-) So I would suggest a relatively small and managable cutter for this job... A 19mm radius flute cutter with a 25mm cutting length. You will need to use the little fence that will or would have come with your trimmer, and do the rebate in 2 passes. So set to the depth you need, then adjust the depth of your fence to do half of the rebate. Run it through at this setting on all pieces needed, then move the fence so the cutter moves a little further in and to your desired width, and do the 2nd pass. Here is the cutter I would recommend, jsy let me know if you have any questions... amzn.to/49PEgOs Cheers Ryan
Thanks for the reply that’s exactly what I needed to know. I’ just wasn’t sure re router bit perfect Ryan one last thing on thisdo you have a link for gtv runners to fit 470 mm width drawers. That’s it
@winty2721 ahhh i forgot to mention the runners... Yes so if your drawers are 470 deep, 450 long runners should be fine 😊 Here is the link to the type I'd use 👍 Https://amzn.to/3UxuXhL I couldn't find a link to my gtv ones or ones and you may be able to find cheaper too. But these ones would do and are the same really. Just look around if needs be 😊👍👍👍
Hello! We are so.busy nowadays that a company does it for us, they use cnc machines so they are accurate beyond belief! If we didn't use them we would use our table saw, I don't think we would get consistent accurate results if we used the track saw
i would like to see a video on your ideas for that bench. im not convinced its the right move for your situation. your a production workshop not a diy shop. any time swapping functions or moveing parts out of the way is wasted time.
I like your thoughts! This is true but I'm kind of missing the real joinery side of things. I have a thicknesser, chopsaw, router lift thingy and table saw along with compressor, extraction, and tools accessories storage, along with dog holes, t tracks and vice. Not only that, the bench should free up space to be able to keep my spindle, bandsaw and morticer out to use. I think you've spurred me on to do a quick video of the bench...ive been designing it for weeks !
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop i will wait for the video before i say i dont ike it but i would rather a seperate chop saw station so its always set up and ready to go. . some tools its easy to set once in a while if you dont use them everyday but it becomes a pain if you do use them evereyday
Been picking up some techniques from you for some time now, I really enjoy your videos we do the exact same thing, I also build paint and install all my projects, your spray tips videos have helped me fine tune my airless skills quite a bit 👍I don't really make youtube videos but if you want you can check some of my projects out at elitefinish.ca Cheers from 🇨🇦 🍻
Hi, great channel and everything is explained like in a book. I'm a home DIY-er, clumsy hobbist, but I wonder on your other video where are you biscuiting and bolting wardrobe, you use biscuit size 10 instead of 20, is it because you use screws so it is enough big? Also on melamine and MDF I've read that it is good to use confirmati screws, 7x50 or 5x50, have you tried it and does it make any differences?
Hi thank you. I don't use formica or melamine so I couldn't say on that. I use 10s biscuits just because I got a great deal on 10 boxes. The size difference doesn't really matter to me, as long as there is a biscuit sticking out that's fine. We used to use 20s though and either one works 👍
You’ve got a talent for teaching my friend 👍
Another simple and informative video 👍🏻 Excellent
Very late I'm really sorry, youtube hides some comments!!
But thank you very much indeed!
Ryan 👍
Great. Finally found someone making drawers finished without a fascia! Thank you.
Great clear information mate cheers, always look forward to your videos
Amazing that's really good to know!
Thank you👍👍👍🙏
Another great video, simple and informative 👍🏻 Excellent
Thank you very much, I'm glad it helps 🙏
I just made my first drawer set (3) for a bespoke wardrobe job. Really happy with them. I used the Blum concealed runners so my bottom panel was set up 25mm. I used a 6.3mm router bit for the grooves which was perfect for the 6mm MDF bottom. This was my first wardrobe build using your method of build a level subframe on the floor first which was so helpful. I’m definitely doing that going forward. Thanks.
Amazing, to be honest I haven't used the concealed runners much.
That's good to know some of my vids are helping people. Any other vids you may need for the future let me know 👍👍
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop Give them a look. Very strong and easy to fit. So nice to open a drawer and not see any mechanisms.
OK I will do, to be honest most the drawers I make are for wardrobes and behind doors, so when the drawer is opened the door doesn't allow you to see the side of the drawer so you never see them.
I will buy some though and play around with a set 👍👍
Sorry for the silly question, but why even add the rebate beyond helping with the pin gun alignment? Couldn't you just pin, glue and screw the bottom right up against the underside of the butt joints? I'm relatively new to woodworking so sorry if this is obvious to everyone else!
Great job 👍
Great vid
Hello I’ve watched the drawer design video and am nearly ready to have a go. Can I ask is it possible to make the drawer without the rebate. I’m not equipped to make rebate.I was hoping to glue the base and pin and screw without the rebate. Could this work. Or if I bought a palm router could I make a jig to cut the rebate. Hope you can answer. 👏🙏👍
Hi!
Yes sure, you can make the drawer without a rebate.
The reason for the rebate is not to see the edge of the drawer bottom.
But it's not necessary if you don't mind seeing the edge.
👍👍
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop okay thanks for reply 👍. . I’m really enjoying the experience of making this wardrobe as a project It’s all been down to your advice off the channel it’s working out pretty ok for a beginner tbh. I’ve watched a fair few but yours seem to be more concise and understandable. It’s great to see someone giving back the knowledge so freely. I know it promotes your business but I know the work you put in to showcase what you do. Anyway I’m off to order my drawer clips and leave you in piece now. 👍👍😂😂
@winty2721 that's great, enjoy your project as woodworking is fun and enjoyable (when it's not a job 🤣🤣 kidding)
Have a great evening too 👍
Another great easy to follow video. Thanks. Can you do a how to build a compressor sound box video.😂 mine leaks as well, horrible noise. Thanks guys.
Thank you 😊
My smaller compressor is as quiet as a mouse but this one is ridiculous!
I may line my new workbench cubby hole for the compressor in celotex, good shout 👍👍
A great sharing video! Thank you for that! Perhaps I'm wrong, you seem to apply Osmo Polyx coating to the preassembled pieces of the drawer. This would imply that during assembly you glue up two pieces where at least one piece is coated with Osmo , and the result is apperently sturdy enough ... Am I correct?
Thank you!
Yes you are correct, but it's alot simpler to oil components rather than a complete drawer.
The Downside is what you just mentioned.
I havnt seen and detrimental effects from this though and the drawers so far have held together 😁👍
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop Thx's for the quick respons, and thanks again for sharing, it really helps!!👍
Thanks for the vid. I can’t find the link to the Corner clamps in the description
I just put them on now 👍
ha I had to look up the word "arris"... never heard that one before!
Haha yeah it's a wierd one !!👍
Hi - one other question. You mention oiling the plywood. What do you use? I'm about to build a chest of drawers using birch ply and would appreciate your suggestion / recommendation. Thx!
Hi Colin, I use an osmo woodwax finish or osmo polyx oil. They do a range of colours and tints and also clear.
For a clear finish then a clear polyx oil is good or if you don't want the wet look ( wood darkens very slightly when you put a clear oil) then go for a raw polxy oil. This has white pigment in it that keeps the wood looking as original colour as possible.
All of these are from Osmo and thats all I use to be honest when protecting wood and birch etc 👍👍
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop Thanks Ryan
Great video; can I ask why birch ply is the main board used to make drawers? Are MDF drawers any good? Is MDF too heavy?
Thank you.
For me it's just down to what the customer wants.
They both do the same job and maybe birch is tougher over the years as its a real wood in layers.
I personally love birch, but it is considerably more money than mdf
Do you think the corner clamps would be ok for larger items such as cabinets or wardrobes?
Yeah in hink so, they have a decent spring in them which is quite tough so one top and bottom of each corner should do.
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop Many thanks I'll give them a go.
No probs 👍👍
Hi Ryan I plan to cut the rebates for the drawer bases with a trimmer router having not used a router since school. I’m going to buy the Katsu version just to get started. Would you know which router bit would deal with the cut dimensions you do. Could I do this cut in one pass ? Embarrassing question tbh but have to ask 👍
Hello!
Firstly I'd like tonsay thank you for joining my youtube membership it really is appreciated 😊
I'm filming just atm so as soon as it is over, I'll pop over to my cutter section and will send over some info for you...
It should be a few hours or so if that's ok?
Cheers ryan 😊👍👍👍
Worth every penny mate I wish I had done it sooner . Thank you whenever you have time. I’ve never set a trim router up so I’m looking at the information on you tube it’s very confusing as a lot are American. Also one last thing my drawers sides will measure in total 470mm is there a specific length of runner. Im guessing 450 mm. As I’m buying 4 pairs I don’t want to mess it up 😂.
Thats really nice to hear mate, thanks :-)
So I would suggest a relatively small and managable cutter for this job...
A 19mm radius flute cutter with a 25mm cutting length.
You will need to use the little fence that will or would have come with your trimmer, and do the rebate in 2 passes.
So set to the depth you need, then adjust the depth of your fence to do half of the rebate.
Run it through at this setting on all pieces needed, then move the fence so the cutter moves a little further in and to your desired width, and do the 2nd pass.
Here is the cutter I would recommend, jsy let me know if you have any questions...
amzn.to/49PEgOs
Cheers Ryan
Thanks for the reply that’s exactly what I needed to know. I’ just wasn’t sure re router bit perfect Ryan one last thing on thisdo you have a link for gtv runners to fit 470 mm width drawers. That’s it
@winty2721 ahhh i forgot to mention the runners...
Yes so if your drawers are 470 deep, 450 long runners should be fine 😊
Here is the link to the type I'd use 👍
Https://amzn.to/3UxuXhL
I couldn't find a link to my gtv ones or ones and you may be able to find cheaper too. But these ones would do and are the same really.
Just look around if needs be 😊👍👍👍
Do you cut the plywood or order it cut to size? If you do cut it what method do you use?
Hello!
We are so.busy nowadays that a company does it for us, they use cnc machines so they are accurate beyond belief!
If we didn't use them we would use our table saw, I don't think we would get consistent accurate results if we used the track saw
Hey what's was the mm for the bottom of the drawer? Is it 18mm?
Hi its 6mm 👍
What the hell does a joiner use a rifle for?!? :-) Thx for the video!
Haha pigeons near my solar panels 😁
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop That makes sense - thought it was a drastic way of dealing with bad debtors ;-)
Where in london are you?
North London, also out of London in watford
So what’s the story behind Sean, is he related too you?
Nope but he lives near the workshop 👍
Can I ask you what software do you use for designing the wardrobes, please?
Sure, it's sketch up.
They do a free version which is good enough. Lots of tutorials on UA-cam to get you started 👍
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop Thanks.
i would like to see a video on your ideas for that bench. im not convinced its the right move for your situation. your a production workshop not a diy shop. any time swapping functions or moveing parts out of the way is wasted time.
I like your thoughts! This is true but I'm kind of missing the real joinery side of things.
I have a thicknesser, chopsaw, router lift thingy and table saw along with compressor, extraction, and tools accessories storage, along with dog holes, t tracks and vice.
Not only that, the bench should free up space to be able to keep my spindle, bandsaw and morticer out to use.
I think you've spurred me on to do a quick video of the bench...ive been designing it for weeks !
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop i will wait for the video before i say i dont ike it but i would rather a seperate chop saw station so its always set up and ready to go. . some tools its easy to set once in a while if you dont use them everyday but it becomes a pain if you do use them evereyday
Been picking up some techniques from you for some time now, I really enjoy your videos we do the exact same thing, I also build paint and install all my projects, your spray tips videos have helped me fine tune my airless skills quite a bit 👍I don't really make youtube videos but if you want you can check some of my projects out at elitefinish.ca
Cheers from 🇨🇦 🍻
Hi, great channel and everything is explained like in a book. I'm a home DIY-er, clumsy hobbist, but I wonder on your other video where are you biscuiting and bolting wardrobe, you use biscuit size 10 instead of 20, is it because you use screws so it is enough big? Also on melamine and MDF I've read that it is good to use confirmati screws, 7x50 or 5x50, have you tried it and does it make any differences?
Hi thank you.
I don't use formica or melamine so I couldn't say on that.
I use 10s biscuits just because I got a great deal on 10 boxes.
The size difference doesn't really matter to me, as long as there is a biscuit sticking out that's fine.
We used to use 20s though and either one works 👍