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My Controversial Soulslike Tier List...

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  • @EmberPlays
    @EmberPlays  Рік тому +115

    Thank you for watching! This was something a little different I wanted to make for fun so I hope you enjoyed! Subscribe for more :)

    • @dorianpompa8409
      @dorianpompa8409 Рік тому +10

      hollow knight is an easy S tier bruh definitely not just a 2d game with how well the world and lore is crafted, and the game is just beautiful with flawless simple but fun combat wtf did ya played
      also ds3 is easy s tier since its flaws like linearity and mid areas arent as bad as what you could oversee in er with its shit endgame, boring lore and boss fights

    • @FOES-YT
      @FOES-YT Рік тому +4

      Fun video, also about what you said about Nioh, yeah you’re not meant to invest everything into health because all the stats raise health and your weapons scale of different stats, so you might have made the game harder for yourself by having less damage than you should, plus you need to constantly replace your gear

    • @DRKLRD-kv4cm
      @DRKLRD-kv4cm Рік тому +3

      Funny how a lot of people in the comments Say your opinion Is wrong. Like tastes about games could ever be wrong🫣🫣🫣

    • @reznik232
      @reznik232 Рік тому

      Great video mate, it is something a bit different. 🙂👍
      I'd actually never even heard of some of these...

    • @EmberPlays
      @EmberPlays  Рік тому +6

      @@FOES-YT that would make a lot of sense hahaha thank you!! I plan to try it again after Wo Long

  • @1markknox
    @1markknox Рік тому +590

    "you can't put guns in a soulslike" -puts Bloodborne in S tier lol just poking fun here love your content

    • @EmberPlays
      @EmberPlays  Рік тому +61

      Lol u right

    • @DrDolan2000
      @DrDolan2000 Рік тому +16

      Well, more specifically, don't make guns the main weapon. Bloodborne made guns an accent (or whatever you call it)

    • @mullz113
      @mullz113 Рік тому +2

      You beat me to this comment 😂

    • @darthshard8967
      @darthshard8967 Рік тому +1

      @@EmberPlays put elden ring at A you coward

    • @mvgikk1969
      @mvgikk1969 Рік тому

      @@darthshard8967 elden ring >sekiro

  • @UncleRedsnow
    @UncleRedsnow Рік тому +755

    After the placement of Fallen Order I started worrying about the safety of this man’s family and loved ones

    • @Dimi421
      @Dimi421 Рік тому +101

      Fallen Order is trash af. Lame puzzle solving. Boring combat. Cringe protagonist and antagonist. Must I go on?

    • @Metal-Covers
      @Metal-Covers Рік тому +122

      @@Dimi421 Bro why are you being so toxic. Let the man have an opinion

    • @Dimi421
      @Dimi421 Рік тому +88

      @@Metal-Covers Why are you being toxic and not letting me have an opinion?

    • @bardockshiny
      @bardockshiny Рік тому +67

      @@Dimi421 nah it's pretty good, your opinion is the trash in this situation

    • @24thpanzerdivision99
      @24thpanzerdivision99 Рік тому +12

      ​@@bardockshinyits called an opinion for a reason lmao hes not saying hes right hes just saying that he doesnt like it

  • @ruski77
    @ruski77 Рік тому +426

    I honestly think DS3 deserves A, it’s the perfect ending to a market-altering trilogy, and overall has the most amount of my favorite fights in the genre. Otherwise, banger tierlist and I agree with pretty much everything else.

    • @utisti4976
      @utisti4976 Рік тому +81

      DS3 is S tier in my eyes

    • @SJ-di5zu
      @SJ-di5zu Рік тому +11

      I haven’t played DS3 but I was surprised to see it get B. It’s an original Souls game and one that’s very well-liked by the community, so it’s surprising to see it go in B-tier when it’s a list of Soulslikes. Idk though; again, I haven’t played it. From what I hear, the bosses are incredible but maybe the area design is lacking?
      Edit: Also it feels like he really wanted to put it in A the whole video but just didn’t lol. When he put Nioh 2 in A then quickly said “wait no it’s not better than DS3” I was just thinking “man just bump DS3 up to A so you can add more games in A-tier without feeling bad”.

    • @giftspritze8122
      @giftspritze8122 Рік тому +25

      ​@@utisti4976 100%. For me its better than Elden Ring. It is the atmosphere what makes it unique.

    • @imurderragdolls
      @imurderragdolls Рік тому +9

      It belongs in B. Great bosses and that's about it. All the levels are boring af and blend together. DS3 is the most overrated in the series.

    • @omuraiku7592
      @omuraiku7592 Рік тому +9

      It deserves an A in my opinion, it did everything from previous games but better

  • @MrBubbles0o0o
    @MrBubbles0o0o Рік тому +327

    Nioh 2 is genuinely one of my favorites of the whole genre.

    • @Jaguarum
      @Jaguarum Рік тому +84

      It's criminally underrated imo

    • @leo-fg9du
      @leo-fg9du Рік тому +55

      The combat style and weapon variety feels good

    • @MOULAYRECHIDREDOUAN
      @MOULAYRECHIDREDOUAN Рік тому +1

      ​@@leo-fg9du but unfortunately not all build work well

    • @MOULAYRECHIDREDOUAN
      @MOULAYRECHIDREDOUAN Рік тому +1

      Me too

    • @WhatwouldRoddyPiperdo
      @WhatwouldRoddyPiperdo Рік тому

      Agreed I preferred it to dark souls 3 I hated that game but in retrospect I only "like" Dark souls until izaleth, hated 2 & 3 despite completing them but it might be I was sunbroing so me and my friends had to do everything 3 times and fucking MIDIR 2days in real life banging our heads against that wall

  • @CaptainInnuendo69
    @CaptainInnuendo69 Рік тому +56

    Hollow knight being in any tier other than S is just straight up criminal

    • @bestaatroxeuw
      @bestaatroxeuw Рік тому +8

      its a S tier game but its not really an S tier soulslike,
      to be honest im not sure why its even called a soulslike

    • @ttchme9816
      @ttchme9816 Рік тому +1

      ​@@bestaatroxeuw Idk either. Hollow knight is much more cup head than souls for sure

    • @adinnusaurus9266
      @adinnusaurus9266 Рік тому +2

      @@bestaatroxeuwI think some people just say its a soulslike because of the difficulty , but its more of a metroidvania

    • @Arfadoz
      @Arfadoz Рік тому +2

      @@adinnusaurus9266 It's a souls-like. Ruined kingdom, losing souls mechanic, one bonfire per level, dark colors, melancholic OST, high difficulty, big and varied boss roster, etc.
      The only thing that Hollow Knight lacks is the RPG element of Dark Souls. But I think it's for the better, since it's easier to balance a game without any build variety (and it shows).

    • @Elden-Bear
      @Elden-Bear 10 днів тому

      ⁠​⁠@@Arfadozi think you’re throwing anything that is a famous trope in games a “soulslike” tag
      Ruined kingdom, melancholic ost, high difficulty and varied roster of bosses are NOT soulslike original things

  • @dgouin99
    @dgouin99 Рік тому +323

    I personally haven't played it, but I'm surprised Thymesia wasn't on the list as it was one of the more recent soulslike releases

    • @komboguymagyar1640
      @komboguymagyar1640 Рік тому +23

      I finished thymesia, and its an okay game. It is short, and the story it isnt interesting. The mechanichs are interesting, but are poorly executed.

    • @dgouin99
      @dgouin99 Рік тому +4

      @@komboguymagyar1640 Is it worth the buy on sale?

    • @komboguymagyar1640
      @komboguymagyar1640 Рік тому

      @@dgouin99 yea, I think it is.

    • @dashman8499
      @dashman8499 Рік тому +12

      @@komboguymagyar1640 I found it to be a ton of fun, but I just didn’t have a need to finish it because it didn’t grab me from a narrative perspective. I loved the combat and weapon system but idk the bosses didn’t really do it for me except for a couple and it just led to me not really feeling liked I needed to see the end

    • @komboguymagyar1640
      @komboguymagyar1640 Рік тому

      @@dashman8499 okay.

  • @ratdoggaming8700
    @ratdoggaming8700 Рік тому +256

    Blasphemous is so underrated it’s actually crazy just an amazing world and atmosphere

    • @zestycrunchman602
      @zestycrunchman602 Рік тому +14

      blasphemous is like my most played game ever i love it so much. best ost in any game and with the free dlc’s it has become my favorite metroidvania and my second favorite game of all time. wish more people knew how good it was

    • @pliskin5161
      @pliskin5161 Рік тому +1

      That and Salt and Sanctuary should’ve def been on the rankings

    • @SecondCitySavior6969
      @SecondCitySavior6969 Рік тому +13

      It's good but it's more metroidvania than soulslike

    • @electrolyteblend
      @electrolyteblend Рік тому +5

      ​ it's one of my favorite games. I also think it's more of a metroidvania. I don't understand why it's considered a soulslike

    • @eea8794
      @eea8794 Рік тому

      ​@@zestycrunchman602
      yep I agree man finished the game already 2 times and still to this day listening to the ost its incredible

  • @sivyahi
    @sivyahi Рік тому +178

    I wonder how much of Hollow Knight have you played? Because I felt kinda 'meh' about it too at the beginning, and now it's one of my favourite games of all time

    • @dolphinpower1107
      @dolphinpower1107 Рік тому +27

      Same I didn't have a lot of interest in the game until my first fight with the mantis lords, which kicked my ass and led me on a long journeying killing many bosses just to upgrade my nail to rechallange them, I literally couldn't put the game down after. But the start definitely felt slow.

    • @skinless5136
      @skinless5136 Рік тому +36

      Yes the worst part of hollow knight is definitely the start of the game

    • @Emulator833
      @Emulator833 Рік тому +19

      Yeah i changed my view of the game in City of Tears.

    • @zululvivon2463
      @zululvivon2463 Рік тому +1

      Nah the best part is definitley the beginning

    • @catwiffhat4274
      @catwiffhat4274 Рік тому +16

      City of Tears is when the game becomes magical

  • @rizqmadani8529
    @rizqmadani8529 Рік тому +13

    the fact that dark souls 3 was ranked anywhere below bloodborne is a crime

    • @jajasking9652
      @jajasking9652 Рік тому +5

      That's a normal take, but hollow Knight ranking in b tier, now, that's a crime that deserves several years behind bars, i wouldn't count It as a soulslike, but is still the single Game that i think is a perfect 10/10

    • @Sephirothkingdom782
      @Sephirothkingdom782 Рік тому +7

      @@jajasking9652 I think dark souls 3 is also perfect, bloodborne is a flawed game that gets overshadowed by people circlejerking it’s atmosphere. Yes farron keep is mid and bosses like ancient wyvern exist, however they don’t really degrade the overall experience of the game the same way that bosses like living failures and rhom do, due to how absolutely bloated and annoying those fights are. Plus living failures is just a reskinned boss IN A DLC. At the very minimum halflight is a unique boss that deserves a place in the dlc because he’s unlike any other boss in the game.

    • @562.anthony2
      @562.anthony2 Рік тому +3

      That’s what I’m saying. Bloodborne is mad overrated

    • @jajasking9652
      @jajasking9652 Рік тому +4

      @@Sephirothkingdom782 to be honest, while i'm not totally agree with your comentary, i can totally respect It and i see where you are coming from, i prefer bloodborne because combat is amazing, while still having those RPG such a level Up and weapon variety and the old hunters DLC is amazing, without It, bloodborne would rank below ds3 for me
      Ds3 has one problem for me: a lot of areas are pretty meh, plus the Game is a little bit too easy once you replay It for like the third time
      Edit: reading better your comentary, i want to point out some stuff
      How living failures is a resking of a bossfight ? If anything, the reesking is Lawrence, and even then, the second phase is still original soo is not a 100% reesking bossfight
      ROM is also not anoying, although the little spiders deals much more damage than they should, but both bossfight doesn't damage my overall bloodborne experience
      I would say that two bloodborne bossfight that does hurt my bloodborne experience is the last reborn and the witches of hemwich, one of them is just a Messi with really bad moveset to engage with, plus take the maidens of is a awful time sink, while witches of hemwich is a bossfight that tries to sink as much time of your Life as posible, becuase, unless you get hit by the grab proyectile, you Will never die
      Another thing that is really anoying in bloodborne is the lanters teleports, as well as Frontier nightmare being a really bad area overall
      In ds3, i would say that ancient wyvern and, specially, most of the areas before irythill hurts the experience of the Game, is true that besides that, the rest is perfection, but the first half ( without counting DLCs ) of the Game is pretty lame, but is over rather fast so that's good

    • @jajasking9652
      @jajasking9652 Рік тому +1

      @@Sephirothkingdom782 but i should have been more specific, the Game being in B tier is a crime, for me is a low S tier

  • @Steuerhinterzieher66
    @Steuerhinterzieher66 Рік тому +10

    dark souls 3 on b is a crime

  • @corex7125
    @corex7125 Рік тому +85

    For me Nioh 2 is an easy S tier. The combat imo outclasses everything on this list.

    • @crisschan2463
      @crisschan2463 Рік тому +17

      true and true

    • @fabioviti7384
      @fabioviti7384 Рік тому +8

      EHHHH, don't know bruv.
      Sure it's cool but it has a lot of crap, plus it basically thinks "Oh yeah, let's not make a difficulty curve"

    • @boutatak3anl30
      @boutatak3anl30 Рік тому +18

      Absolutely! The combat of the Nioh series as a whole, and especially Nioh 2, kinda blows all the other games on the list out of the water.

    • @jarjar2930
      @jarjar2930 Рік тому +24

      ​@@fabioviti7384EHHHHHH don't know about that bruv
      Nioh 2 is both built as a soulslike and diablolike and so the post game content is far better than any soulsbourne game. Also there is a difficulty spike - there are several whether it is in different game cycles, dlc or the literal 3rd mission of the game.
      Also "has a lot of crap" can easily apply to several games in the list including the s tier elden ring

    • @firetitan19
      @firetitan19 4 місяці тому +2

      i mean it can’t really compete with any real souls game but a tier list of souls likes sure

  • @starman6468
    @starman6468 Рік тому +30

    Nioh 1 & 2 are my favorites. The DEPTH those games have is amazing because if you can kinda comprehend it the game becomes 10 times easier. Magic and shinobi builds are straight up op

  • @silentwraith3948
    @silentwraith3948 Рік тому +9

    The DS3 disrespect is crazy DS3 is an easy s tier

  • @lencysoup
    @lencysoup Рік тому +89

    I highly encourage you give Hollow Knight another try, especially with Silksong right around the corner

    • @isaiahwebb3743
      @isaiahwebb3743 Рік тому

      Bitch that shit coming out 2026 😭😭😭

    • @akreates8100
      @akreates8100 Рік тому +6

      b is high enough

    • @pkyios
      @pkyios Рік тому +8

      After 200 hours with Hollow Knight i can easily say that HK is the best metroidvania ever made, but if we're talking about souls games ofc its not even near to from software games. But imo you should finish the game at least once.

    • @yeahkeen2905
      @yeahkeen2905 Рік тому +12

      @@pkyios I mean it’s not even a soulslike. It has one or two similar mechanics and that’s it. It still confuses me that people put it on these lists.

    • @lencysoup
      @lencysoup Рік тому +4

      @@akreates8100 yes, but he almost put it at C and he also said that it just feelt like a 2D game and nothing special, I'm not mad at the placing, it's just that Hollow Knight is so much more than "just a 2D game" and giving it a another try might might make people relize why Hollow Knight is so beloved

  • @diooverheaven6561
    @diooverheaven6561 Рік тому +7

    Nah man Nioh2 is SSS for me probably my favorite game overall

  • @562.anthony2
    @562.anthony2 Рік тому +42

    Did you really just do DS3 like that? You’re insane!

    • @leobro6398
      @leobro6398 Рік тому +5

      True, id put it along ds1 in A Tier

    • @aganbraganca4156
      @aganbraganca4156 Рік тому +2

      @@leobro6398 it's S tier dude thats a masterpiece game and way better than elden ring

    • @leobro6398
      @leobro6398 Рік тому

      @@aganbraganca4156 i agree that its better than elden ring, but its not as good as sekiro in my opinion

    • @aganbraganca4156
      @aganbraganca4156 Рік тому +1

      @@leobro6398 that I agree

  • @danielshwarts1737
    @danielshwarts1737 Рік тому +39

    Dark souls 3 should be S tier no doubt about it, some of the best bosses in the series and amazing weapons and levels, and some of the best DLC's of the series with probbly the BEST ending to the souls franchise, not to mention also the amazing ost, 100% a masterpiece

  • @thatmemeguy2520
    @thatmemeguy2520 Рік тому +15

    nioh 2 was great personally i think its the best interms of gameplay and combat

  • @qzemii3653
    @qzemii3653 Рік тому +141

    You sir have my absolute respect for putting Sekiro so high up!

    • @JacobBite
      @JacobBite Рік тому +54

      Sekiro is honestly FromSoft's best game IMO. No, I haven't played Bloodborne and no I won't buy a PS4

    • @jenjoe4359
      @jenjoe4359 Рік тому +4

      @@JacobBite fair enough

    • @rijusnar1994
      @rijusnar1994 Рік тому +13

      ​@@JacobBiteso how Can you Say that without playing Bloodborne ? Make no sense

    • @clouto94
      @clouto94 Рік тому +12

      @@JacobBite having played both; Sekiro is second only to Bloodborne

    • @namphan8593
      @namphan8593 Рік тому +1

      I have played all three but I prefer Elden ring more due to the amount of build variety and because the bosses in base BB kinda lackluster (sekiro is more of the matter of opinion)

  • @saltiestfries
    @saltiestfries Рік тому +32

    Putting Hollow Knight and Dark souls 3 in B is absolutely diabolical and outrageous ☠️

    • @fathomgaming25
      @fathomgaming25 Рік тому +2

      Ah yes, put a game in B tier because it's 2D... supreme logic...

    • @Leon-cy1hh
      @Leon-cy1hh Рік тому

      @@fathomgaming25 2d games are ass

    • @KershalJC
      @KershalJC Рік тому

      Just because you enjoyed the game, doesn't mean everybody will.

    • @saltiestfries
      @saltiestfries Рік тому +2

      @@KershalJC Okay? Is it wrong for me to disagree with him?

    • @KershalJC
      @KershalJC Рік тому

      @@saltiestfries No, but you are clearly questioning his opinions, and berating his taste.

  • @eduardodehnhardt1894
    @eduardodehnhardt1894 Рік тому +13

    Sekiro, Nioh 2, Elden Ring and Bloodborne are my favorites. I didn't play Wo Long yet but hope to do it soon.

  • @m.h.4907
    @m.h.4907 Рік тому +16

    Nioh 2 is S-Tier and it filters souls players very quickly

  • @Z11004
    @Z11004 Рік тому +2

    Dark souls 3 and nioh 2 deserve S tier imo.

  • @tripalink
    @tripalink Рік тому +3

    "for hollow knight everyone probably wants me to put it in a" no we want you to put it in S

    • @tripalink
      @tripalink Рік тому

      also fallen order was too low. but i get your reasoning

  • @intigim5861
    @intigim5861 Рік тому +39

    Hollow Knight is the only soulslike game that I think reached that FromSoftware level of quality in design and narrative. Highly recommended!

    • @2canwin635
      @2canwin635 Рік тому +30

      It’s barely a souls like though. It’s 90% Metroidvania and 2d platformer

    • @denisn8336
      @denisn8336 Рік тому +1

      lol no

    • @ChuckFinelyForever
      @ChuckFinelyForever Рік тому +6

      @@2canwin635 Everything is a souls like these days, don’t you know?

    • @yorusaka3554
      @yorusaka3554 Рік тому

      @@2canwin635 yeah, it isn't a soulslike, it just took inspiration

    • @twt2801
      @twt2801 Рік тому +7

      ​@@yorusaka3554 it actually wasnt even inspired by dark souls, even the devs confirmed that

  • @daemyno
    @daemyno Рік тому +21

    I'd put Nioh 2 on S tier!
    If you still get one shot after 70 hours you're doing something wrong!
    Here's something important about the game! Your whole first playthrough is a Tutorial!
    The beauty of that game is how to put a build together, stats, rolls, graces ....
    Give it a second try and focus build crafting

    • @EmberPlays
      @EmberPlays  Рік тому +3

      I will play again after Wo Long. Thank u for the advice!!!

    • @AdventuresOfGravox
      @AdventuresOfGravox Рік тому +3

      I’ve played all the way through the depths and I would say ignore all builds until you get to say ng+++. Whatever you find that’s better than what you’re using swap immediately. There’s no point worrying about gear until the end game. For NG, just keep swapping your gear for whatever you find. You shouldn’t get one shot at all.

    • @jackjager8790
      @jackjager8790 Рік тому +1

      I love Nioh 2, played it more than 150 hours but i dont think its S, the level design is not always good, only in the last third it gets good, also the bosses are a hit or a miss, some are really good but a lot of them are just forgettable and easy, imo.
      The combat is amazing though.

    • @daemyno
      @daemyno Рік тому +2

      @@jackjager8790 you're right, i totally agree with you, but it's S tier for what you play it for, for what it excels at, builds and pure gameplay

    • @amusedhermit4672
      @amusedhermit4672 Рік тому +1

      @@AdventuresOfGravox to me thats a huge negative. I don't want to play the game three times for builds to become important.

  • @dennisdavidov782
    @dennisdavidov782 Рік тому +107

    Some notable games worth adding here (and playing):
    Darksiders 3, Thymesia, Steelrising, Stranger of Paradise and Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty.
    And some more obscure ones:
    Asterigos: Curse of the Stars, Chronos: Before the Ashes, Pascal's Wager, Shattered: Tale of the Forgotten King, Necropolis, Arboria and The Last Hero of Nostalgaia.

    • @MrProdigy810
      @MrProdigy810 Рік тому +11

      I don’t think darksiders 3 is a souls-like. Good game, but I don’t think it follows the formula

    • @mobilemetal4554
      @mobilemetal4554 Рік тому

      And last hero of nostalgia. I thought it was pretty good. Not great but fun enough.

    • @dennisdavidov782
      @dennisdavidov782 Рік тому +6

      @@MrProdigy810 I mean if Jedi: Fallen Order qualifies for this then Darksiders 3 should as well.

    • @MrProdigy810
      @MrProdigy810 Рік тому +4

      @@dennisdavidov782 even that I’d say has elements but isn’t really a soulslike exactly. Soulslikes we’re more about the flow of combat and the awe-inspiring bosses. JFO has a lot more puzzle systems and platforming emphasis with only a couple of bosses worthy of that title. Is soulslike games you feel the influence of the boss at the end of it throughout the level and the boss feels like a culmination of what you’ve been working towards(at least if it’s done right). Neither of those really feel like that. Darksiders feels more akin to old school god of war or devil may cry or bayonetta

    • @Darkheart1413
      @Darkheart1413 Рік тому +4

      @@dennisdavidov782 I’m playing JFO now and I really enjoy it but apart from one or two aspects it does not feel like a soulslike at all. It just isn’t one.
      Also you mentioned Shattered: The forgotten king, have you played that? It’s on my switch wishlist but i’m not too sure on it.

  • @VicVibez
    @VicVibez Рік тому +41

    Nioh 2 is by far the best of the souls like genre IN MY OPINION. The combat is bar none the most complex and has the most depth, especially if you learn the advanced techniques like animation cancels, combo extenders, weapon switchin and comboing with the spirits etc. The NG+'s and DLCs open the game up 10 fold by having bosses have new attacks, new tier of loot and new loot overall, harder mobs, missions, new missions. It deserves an A tier minimum.

    • @antviper135
      @antviper135 Рік тому +10

      Nioh 2 definitely has the best combat

    • @blaisewood150
      @blaisewood150 Рік тому +6

      Nioh is really underrated

    • @amirphoenix2327
      @amirphoenix2327 2 місяці тому

      Is it true about one shooting though, cause that sounds unfair. I have not played it, but that bothers me even hearing it

    • @VicVibez
      @VicVibez 2 місяці тому

      @@amirphoenix2327 lol you may get 1 shot by a couple of bosses, if you get hit in the BACK its considered a crit hit and if a boss gives your a backshot and you have a low HP build you more than likely will die lol

  • @kargetina
    @kargetina Рік тому +42

    Haha, when i read ''My controversial Tier List'', the last thing i expected was to completely agree with your list. Small things here and there aside, Elden Ring, Bloodborne and Sekiro are S-tier games for me, the lore, the music, the combat, the worlds...if i could pick 3 games to replay forever, these 3 would be it.

    • @wbuzash
      @wbuzash Рік тому +5

      I mean Elden Ring is great but 9 unique bosses? 🤦‍♂️

    • @legobatmanthevideogame3194
      @legobatmanthevideogame3194 Рік тому

      @@wbuzash 80*

    • @wbuzash
      @wbuzash Рік тому +8

      @@legobatmanthevideogame3194 Renalla, Radahn, Rykard, Fire Giant, Placidusax, Malenia, Maliketh & Radagon/Elden Beast are the only unique bosses in the entire game. Every other boss is reused.

    • @legobatmanthevideogame3194
      @legobatmanthevideogame3194 Рік тому +1

      @@wbuzash oh, my bad, I'm thinking you're talking about """OG bosses"""

    • @kargetina
      @kargetina Рік тому +9

      @@wbuzash You can play the game, beat 60 different bosses and not play a duplicate once. It's a huge game and all of those bosses are optional. On the other hand, if you enjoyed playing a particular boss, you could fight it twice. It's all up to you. If all 165 bosses were mandatory i could understand the criticism, but if you play every boss type only once, you still have more original bosses than their last 3 games combined.

  • @loveinlatin
    @loveinlatin Рік тому +11

    DS1 and 3 are masterpieces

    • @harrisongregg8068
      @harrisongregg8068 Рік тому +8

      Truly underrated in this tier list Id rate then both S tier. Dark souls 1 defining a genre, creating a beautiful open world and masterfully telling a deep story. And dark souls 3 perfecting boss fights and finishing the story created so many years ago in a way that lived up to the first.

    • @JinTekyta
      @JinTekyta Рік тому +3

      A real Masterpiece that Bed of Chaos. And I loved how they copied and pasted Taurus and Capra Demons throughout the Demon Ruins. Reskinned Stray Demon was just chef's kiss. Demon Centipede was honestly one of my favorite bosses in the entire genre. I also thought it was really great how they had a lot of undead Dragon Butts in the bright lava of Lost Izalith.

    • @loveinlatin
      @loveinlatin Рік тому

      @@JinTekyta no one cares

    • @loveinlatin
      @loveinlatin Рік тому

      @@harrisongregg8068 exactly

    • @JinTekyta
      @JinTekyta Рік тому

      @@loveinlatin except you, apparently

  • @andyrebelo
    @andyrebelo Рік тому +6

    I love Nioh 2, regardless of its difficulty. Nioh is great as well, but doesn't pack the emotional oomph of Nioh 2

  • @enma9359
    @enma9359 Рік тому +8

    tbh i put nioh 2 on S tier, rather than follow souls combat formula, that game really tried to be different than souls and it's succes, not to mention their loot system is quite unique and fun compared to souls
    and moreover that game has something that souls don't have, like :
    - good replayability,
    - more diverse build
    - different challenges depends on what NG+
    - refashion feature
    - kinda bias here, but graphical wise i like nioh 2 character more, the "eyecandy" aesthethic doesn't make it too weird while you using some anime mod

  • @juv3nylrp659
    @juv3nylrp659 Рік тому +6

    Nioh 2 is god-tier. Many people talk about the combat, which is extremely good, but the OSTs.... those are simply amazing in that game.

  • @davormiho
    @davormiho Рік тому +16

    Man somehow the outros keep getting better. They are what keeps me coming back to your vids tbh.

  • @EmissaryOfSmeagol
    @EmissaryOfSmeagol Рік тому +11

    Folks, definitely check out Hyperlight Drifter. At least check out a trailer. It's an extremely high quality work of art!

    • @Thorigorn
      @Thorigorn Рік тому +1

      And the main guy who designed it based the entire thing around his fight with heart disease and the struggle of going through that. Super cool game highly recommend

  • @matthewjalovick
    @matthewjalovick Рік тому +12

    You did not just put Fallen Order that low… I… I just can’t with you right now.

  • @konnettivina
    @konnettivina Рік тому +6

    “Demon’ s souls tried to imitate the formula” bro demon’ s souls IS the formula

    • @sprc155
      @sprc155 5 місяців тому

      Blade of darkness is the formula

  • @DragonOfPureGoofiness
    @DragonOfPureGoofiness 11 місяців тому +2

    Giving hollow knight a B is criminal

    • @GabrielSooS
      @GabrielSooS Місяць тому

      Because it's not a souls like

    • @DragonOfPureGoofiness
      @DragonOfPureGoofiness Місяць тому

      @@GabrielSooS yes it's not a soulslike but still it's shouldn't be in b tier

  • @rhythmmandal3377
    @rhythmmandal3377 Рік тому +2

    Nioh2: everything 1 shots me, unfun,
    Elden Ring: everything 2 shots me, so much fun.

    • @Jaguarum
      @Jaguarum Рік тому

      Games like these are for people that want to work for their victory instead of having it given to them

    • @rhythmmandal3377
      @rhythmmandal3377 Рік тому

      @@Jaguarum clearly you did not get my point

  • @wacktastic1
    @wacktastic1 Рік тому +8

    For me, Nioh 2 is a goated game. It punishes you for going too aggressive and not utilizing your parties. It had lots of unique weapon styles that is really 3 weapons in one with stances. It's fast pace and fun.

    • @jamesonedwardsii4943
      @jamesonedwardsii4943 Рік тому +8

      People forget that FUN is the name of the game….. take out everything and just judge based on how much fun you have playing the game and you realize that Nioh 2 combat system is SO FAR AND BEYOND the best of any of the games listed here.
      Compare it to Elden ring…… in Elden Ring you are quite literally doing the same thing over and over again every single fight. People program themselves to not think much of it as they press the same two buttons off of muscle memory and call it “fun” 😭

    • @therighttrousers343
      @therighttrousers343 Рік тому +4

      If you do master Flux and linking your combos with Yokai abilities, and knowing your combos and your items, you can play aggressively too. I basically only used the Shiftling parry at that, barely touched weapon parrying. I pretty much consider it closer to a Devil May Cry game, with the stamina sort of acting as a forceful mentor to make you understand how to play the game in an efficient manner, those Yokai abilities really let the stamina bar shine whereas the simpler system of one didn't, it was just hitting them again, backing off, or using an item, least in my opinion.

    • @jackjager8790
      @jackjager8790 Рік тому +1

      @@jamesonedwardsii4943 Yeah the combat is really amazing but its not just about combat, level design and enemy design are a thing and i think in those two areas Nioh 2 is lacking.

    • @jamesonedwardsii4943
      @jamesonedwardsii4943 Рік тому +1

      @@jackjager8790 right so pressing the same two buttons is fun to you? If so we have a difference in opinion…. Nioh was far more fun then doing the same attacks rinse repeat.

    • @Jaguarum
      @Jaguarum Рік тому +1

      People play souls games for the experience and the world, not really the combat. If you look at the best dark souls players in the world, they're only masters at timing their rolls. There's no comboes like nioh, no real weaknesses to exploit, no crazy methods of killing something. You can just roll around while attacking a boss for 2 hours with a stick and people praise you for it. I love DS1, (Fuck ds2), DS3, and Elden Ring but they're all just about rolling

  • @milessteamaccount
    @milessteamaccount Рік тому +10

    For me, Sekiro would be #1 followed by DS3, then ER. Still haven't played Bloodborne yet.
    Also, I love the irony in your "outro". What I mean is that you saying "I'm not doing an outro" every video is the outro 😆

  • @marcos_derozzi
    @marcos_derozzi Рік тому +2

    bro most of the games here either you haven't played, haven't finished or don't remember

  • @Mikupigeon
    @Mikupigeon Рік тому +5

    In terms of combat system, Nioh 2 is great! It takes a bit of time to comprehend how everything worls but once you got it, it has a lot of depths in it.

  • @plaz2701
    @plaz2701 Рік тому +46

    I'm surprised hyper light drifter was included. I never saw it as a soulslike, but I guess I can understand putting it in this tierlist. Definitely one of my favorite indie games, I highly recommend it if you haven't played it

    • @rajkanishu
      @rajkanishu Рік тому +5

      same goes for hollow knight, the only remotely "souls-like" thing about it is the way it tells its story, but it's a metroidvania (though not a traditional one)

    • @ey1615
      @ey1615 Рік тому +3

      @@rajkanishu
      Many games aren't soulslike. Honestly soulslike is the dumbest unofficial genre ever. Literally every game that shares one aspect with Dark Souls automatically gets thrown into it, with no regard for other genres like metroidvania, action-rpgs and hack' n slay.

    • @richmalacrea127
      @richmalacrea127 Рік тому

      Played through recently. I would argue in terms of indies in that Tunic and Deaths Door fit the mold better in terms of being a souls like, but highly recommend all three

    • @mathewhosier9739
      @mathewhosier9739 11 місяців тому

      ​@@ey1615I think your missing the point of the genre. And there are such things as sub genres and hybrid genres, all a game needs to be a soulslike are the equivalents of both souls and bonfires, as long as you drop the souls when you die, get one chance to retrieve those souls, respawn at last bonfire you visited and use the souls at bonfires to level up and obtain attribute points to increase your attributes in order to use stronger weapons and armor then it's a true soulslike, but even if a game has some of these elements I would still consider them as soulslites. And there are such things as hybrid genres like soulsvanias which are soulslike metroidvanias like hollow knight, grime, afterimage, deaths gambit afterlife and the salt series, we live in an age of evolution in the gaming industry where genres and sub genres are merging and crossing over, we live in an age where categorizing games and putting labels on games and putting them in small boxes is counter productive, don't gate keep whole genres, it hampers evolution and stiffles creativity, when you gate keep a genre and put them in a small box then the genre doesn't evolve or move forward and the genre would just die out due to a lack of creativity. Have an open mind and don't be a one trick poney, if developers were like you gaming would have died years ago

    • @riplix20
      @riplix20 10 місяців тому

      ​@@mathewhosier9739youre saying that devs constantly did this but thats a blatant lie.
      Soulslike is just a derivitive of roguelike which is already one of the shittiest namings for a genre.
      If other games did this, then 3d platformers would be mario likes, fps games would be doomlikes etc.
      Its an ARPG.

  • @chrisbeijer2778
    @chrisbeijer2778 Рік тому +6

    Dark Souls 3 in B!!!! Wtf man!

  • @scotaloo77g73
    @scotaloo77g73 Рік тому +4

    Nioh 2 has by far the best souls combat. It's so deep you can put over 1k hours in it and still have fun. No one does combat better than Team Ninja.

    • @m.h.4907
      @m.h.4907 Рік тому +3

      Sadly they disappointed a lot with Wo Long. Expected the same combat depth as Nioh, but Wo Long has watered down combat without any strategy attached to it. But hey, at least Omega Force delivered awesome combat with Wild Hearts

    • @HavenAndre
      @HavenAndre Рік тому +1

      @M. H. Wow. You hit the nail right on the head. I was coming to reply exactly what you said. I loved Nioh, and Nioh 2 is one of my all-time favorite games. Of course, I was excited to get my hands on Wo Long, but it's been a disappointment. What's frustrating is reading opinion pieces from large publications claiming Wo Long is better than what should have been expected from a Nioh 3. I hope Team Ninja has something better in development.

    • @m.h.4907
      @m.h.4907 Рік тому +2

      @@HavenAndre Wo Long is more casual, like the Fromsoftware games. Of course journalists and noobs approve, but Nioh pros like us know it is different

  • @biglad6749
    @biglad6749 Рік тому +11

    You should play blasphemous it's really good. Ashen is alright, probably still worth playing.

    • @bellbro62
      @bellbro62 Рік тому +1

      Ashen is a beautiful game, and has a really cool take on a hub, but I didn't love the combat and I definitely got "That's it?" feelings when it was over.

  • @grizzlytoes
    @grizzlytoes Рік тому +4

    Hyper light drifter is so good

  • @TenguHD
    @TenguHD Рік тому +4

    Nioh is S tier asf!!

  • @Godlysound
    @Godlysound Рік тому +2

    Hollow knight is objectively a masterpiece, fair enough if you didn't get on with it because it is a 2d game but if you get on with 2d games it really is the closest thing to dark souls in the 2d format

  • @tarnished7117
    @tarnished7117 6 місяців тому +2

    Mine for ones I have played:
    S: Hollow knight, Sekiro, Bloodborne, Elden Ring
    A: DS3, DS1
    B:Nioh2, DS2, Salt and sanctuary
    C: Nioh1, Remnant (with friends)
    D: Fallen order, Lords of the Fallen

  • @leobro6398
    @leobro6398 Рік тому +5

    Hollow knight is an easy S tier for me. Besides all the souls games my favoutite game

  • @Toksyuryel
    @Toksyuryel 11 місяців тому +3

    If you were getting one-shot constantly in Nioh 2 even with large investment into health then your armor was likely the problem. Most likely your mistake was running around in super light armor, which is a common mistake many dark souls players make when coming over to it. Try putting on heavier armor and see how that feels. Yellow agility is still perfectly fine imo.

  • @HeartOfHallownest
    @HeartOfHallownest Рік тому +4

    Hey ember, not sure if you remember me from awhile back but I was the guy who asked you for tips about the abyss watchers. I just want to say thank for that and now that I’ve beaten every boss including both dlc. It’s made me want to go back and play more souls games. So that was what started me with ds1 with a mage build. Thank you again.

    • @EmberPlays
      @EmberPlays  Рік тому +3

      Ayeeee congrats!!!! Love to hear that

    • @HeartOfHallownest
      @HeartOfHallownest Рік тому

      @@EmberPlays thx bro you’ve earned a sub from me and all the ones now

  • @nemvallalomanevem7798
    @nemvallalomanevem7798 Рік тому +1

    there are two kinds of people,people who rate ds3 s and there are people who are wrong

  • @sepanmustafa9989
    @sepanmustafa9989 Рік тому +10

    Nioh 1 and 2 are my favorite souls like games. The fact that I got to play the entire campaign of Nioh 2 with my friend who hates souls like game puts it up there for me. I loved DS3 but nioh are higher in my tier list.

  • @Scrotus_the_odd
    @Scrotus_the_odd Рік тому +3

    Demon souls IS the formula

  • @yaqubebased1961
    @yaqubebased1961 Рік тому +2

    Nioh 2 is just so much fun. Best NG+ hands down and gameplay with the most depth. If you're not aggressive, you're gonna get bent.

  • @angelosorfa4616
    @angelosorfa4616 Рік тому +2

    putting dark souls over dark souls 3 is a crime

  • @_yordie
    @_yordie Рік тому +7

    NIoh 2 is definetily better than any game in its genre. Also its kinda weird to say that its a souls like. Nevertheless, nioh 2 is a masterpiece

  • @gandalfcritz8180
    @gandalfcritz8180 Рік тому +3

    blasphemous is one the best experiences ive ever had in a game

    • @rickard486
      @rickard486 Рік тому

      Facts, second only to Hollow Kight in my opinion

  • @GothamiteYT
    @GothamiteYT Рік тому +1

    Lost me with Elden Ring, won me back with Sekiro

  • @hyrulehollowtitan9657
    @hyrulehollowtitan9657 Рік тому +2

    Hollow knight is atleast A tier

  • @DayFul
    @DayFul Рік тому +15

    I love Nioh 1 and 2, The damage you take is really high but the game gives you the tools to make cheap builds that allow you to fight fire with fire. I did a tonfa/ninjitsu build in 2 and was killing a lot of stuff before they could get close enough to hit me, If they got near the tonfas where amazing to use I love that moveset.

  • @Geez-ph9td
    @Geez-ph9td 8 місяців тому +3

    Nioh 2 should be S tier, greatest game of all time and DS3 should at least be A tier man smh.

    • @thatmemeguy2520
      @thatmemeguy2520 7 місяців тому

      interms of combat and gameplay yes but lore and the world of nioh probably NO

  • @plaidchuck
    @plaidchuck Рік тому +2

    All of the ds3 babys first dark souls easy mode fanboys here foaming at the mouth lmao

  • @pixel_perspectivesp4667
    @pixel_perspectivesp4667 Рік тому +5

    You hit the nail on the head with the S tier.

    • @couchwilly5575
      @couchwilly5575 Рік тому +4

      Bloodborne is overrated

    • @yeoldbigbrain6673
      @yeoldbigbrain6673 Рік тому +2

      @@couchwilly5575 no, but I can understand it's not for everyone.

    • @jamesonedwardsii4943
      @jamesonedwardsii4943 Рік тому +4

      Nioh 2 should have been there if Elden ring and it’s rinse repeat zombie mindless combat system is there. Elden ring deserves to be there but if we are talking fun….. the only thing that made that game fun was the open world. I can only speak for myself but when I realize I’m pressing the same two buttons an entire game it makes me think how good is this game really?

    • @LuM4rex
      @LuM4rex Рік тому +4

      I haven't seen such an overrated game as Elden Ring for many years. Only Bloodborne was kind of fan food, but at least it was original. Elden Ring is another Dark Souls (3.5) only with shittier quality, poor PvP/PvE balance, shitty and sometimes unfair boss design. And yes, you don't need to write jokes to me, like to get better. Lol. I went through this shit on RL1 and I dream of forgetting this circus of freaks as a terrible dream.

    • @yeoldbigbrain6673
      @yeoldbigbrain6673 Рік тому

      @@LuM4rex YES I agree 100 %

  • @jimmyrustles358
    @jimmyrustles358 Рік тому +3

    I would put Elden Ring in C and DS3 in A. I would also add Runescape and put that in A.

  • @masson5775
    @masson5775 11 місяців тому +3

    i don’t consider hollow knight a souls like, but if it is in this tier list it should be high A minimum

  • @Megaman8880
    @Megaman8880 11 місяців тому +1

    Nioh 2 is at the very top if you ask me. To this day I still boot it up and have a ton of fun.

  • @artorias7933
    @artorias7933 Рік тому +1

    My dude put Dark sous 2 in the SAME category with Code Vein... Just go have an ice bath 🤣

  • @roadle11223
    @roadle11223 Рік тому +4

    I'd bump DS3 and Nioh 2 up to A. Your B tier looks a little full

  • @AmericanNerdLife
    @AmericanNerdLife Рік тому +3

    I was mostly looking forward to your rankings of the indies (salt and sanctuary, blasphemous, deaths gambit). Sad to see you didn’t do them.

  • @mohdhasnain6164
    @mohdhasnain6164 18 днів тому

    Bro played 10 hours of one game and did not play some, but here we are watching him prepare a tier list 😂

  • @Ollowayn
    @Ollowayn Рік тому +2

    Dark Souls 3 in B-Tier? NAH. A/S it is.
    Aside from that it´s pretty spot on imo.

  • @yeehawtaw2134
    @yeehawtaw2134 Рік тому +16

    Death's Gambit (right before Demon's Souls) is actually a super fun soulslike with a more meta take on the storytelling. I'd reccomend you check it out!

    • @yeehawtaw2134
      @yeehawtaw2134 Рік тому

      Hyper Light Drifter is also one of favorite games of all time. It's a bit similar to old Zelda titles, so maybe check it out if that sounds interesting.

    • @jakubpuawski3875
      @jakubpuawski3875 Рік тому +5

      Death's Gambit really suffered from being released in a very bad state, but the re-worked version (Afterlife) is excellent

  • @jamesmeikle7216
    @jamesmeikle7216 Рік тому +3

    I pretty much agree with all of this except for 2 things.
    Move Nioh 2 up one tier
    Move Elden Ring down 2 tiers
    Good list though

  • @conika92
    @conika92 Рік тому +2

    Nioh is not exactly souls like, except the bonfire stuff, but build is a must if you want to move forward, I got one shoted in the DLC in Nioh as well. Once I saw few videos and start learning the game and the builds, actually lets you progress throughout the game, plus it has lots of rng levels crafting etc. You can spend easily over 200 hrs if you give a chance to the game.

  • @shade7887
    @shade7887 Місяць тому

    the hollow Knight and DS3, and jedi fallen order placements are insane

  • @oic7566
    @oic7566 Рік тому +10

    For me, Fromsoftware is one of few developers in the industry that can take their work beyond being just a game. Bloodborne and Sekiro are pieces of art for me that I will never forget for it's settings and emotions it made me feel.
    That said, Nioh 2 is my favorite game in traditional sense of video games. It has the richest and most entertaining gameplay I have ever experienced. Even though I don't have much time to play games lately, Nioh 2 always welcomes me back.

  • @Booya456
    @Booya456 Рік тому +3

    Hellpoint is so slept on. I put so many hours into that game. Made so many builds. Yeah it's got some jank, some unbalanced mechanics, pre-alpha vibes here and there, but it definitely adds some charm. For only a dozen developers that made it, it's a great souls-like

    • @tesselesk8
      @tesselesk8 Рік тому +1

      map is way to similar, impossible to navigate, but points for putting local coop there

    • @Booya456
      @Booya456 Рік тому +1

      @tesselesk8 True, and True. Definitely my first time playing it was a whole lot of wtf am I going lol. Not to mention the lack of content to search for it. After I got familiar with the layout the replayability got alot higher for myself.

  • @jnst8295
    @jnst8295 7 місяців тому +1

    elden ring over hollow knight and dark souls 3 is the biggest crime in this whole list

  • @kirkkork
    @kirkkork Рік тому +14

    You should check of Thymesia.
    Objectively, it might be low on the tier list, but it was a lot of fun with good combat and pretty short.

  • @mikereyes2269
    @mikereyes2269 Рік тому +2

    My favorite soulsgames are Bloodborne, Elden Ring and Nioh 2. I feel like those are just on a whole other league compared to the rest.

  • @Santosos255
    @Santosos255 Рік тому +1

    Hyper Light Drifter is one of the best and most unique games i've played.

  • @Punisher_Raider5447
    @Punisher_Raider5447 Рік тому +5

    So I've played Mortal Shell and Thymesia but I'm still playing my first playthrough on both of them I'm suprisesed that Thymesia wasn't on here that's a souls-like but it will definitely remind you of Bloodborne. But I want to buy Blasphemous I want to play that really bad it looks so cool.

    • @brookspn
      @brookspn Рік тому +2

      I couldn't get into Thymesia. Something just didn't click about it for me. Blasphemous was pretty great. Weird and dark in all the right ways, imo.

    • @Punisher_Raider5447
      @Punisher_Raider5447 Рік тому +2

      @Patrick Brooks I know Blasphemous is so good I want to get it I saw gameplay of it and now that's all I want to play lol.

  • @charlesrhodes71
    @charlesrhodes71 Рік тому +3

    punching the air at Code Vein getting higher than Fallen Order

  • @Ehx0
    @Ehx0 2 місяці тому

    Fallen Order in the same tier as lords of the fallen is hilarious

  • @dsVektor
    @dsVektor Рік тому +2

    I actually prefer Hollow Knight over DS1, DS2 and DeS. It's so fucking good and the amount of content for $15 is crazy. First playthrough was roughly 70 hours iirc, without a guide, and that's not even counting doing everything in Godhome. Completing all the pantheons can take a loong time, not to mention all bosses on radiant.

  • @Spriqqan
    @Spriqqan Рік тому +3

    I srsly dont understand what a Soulslike is, like at all. I understand why Nioh would be considered a soulslike, cuz it looks like a souls game but how is a metroidvania game like Hollow Knight or Hyper Light Drifter considered soulslike? Both games have bosses and checkpoints oh wow, but is that really all it takes to be a soulslike?

  • @pissant42
    @pissant42 Рік тому +4

    Jedi Fallen Order in D tier because it has puzzles? And Hollow Knight in B tier because it's "Just 2D" I can't tell if this man is being ironic or not but I sincerely hope that he is because these are some genuine dogwater takes

    • @ZachariasTheFirst
      @ZachariasTheFirst Рік тому

      From what I can tell Ember’s only appeal to the masses is drawing in the clickbait with Elden Ring polls

  • @MrPatrickbuit
    @MrPatrickbuit 10 місяців тому +1

    Hollow Knight in B tier is insane

  • @krsmovie1939
    @krsmovie1939 Рік тому +2

    I would put Remnant from the Ashes into S tier.
    This game is one of a kind.
    Its basically a Dark Souls with guns, rocket launchers and beam rifles. You still can't find anything like that on the market.

  • @meame6945
    @meame6945 Рік тому +3

    "Controversial tier list" This is probably one of the least controversial tier lists I've seen.

  • @plaidchuck
    @plaidchuck Рік тому +4

    Props for not being on the hate train for Elden Ring. But Demons Souls same as DS2? Shit take.

  • @stevenbrooks8983
    @stevenbrooks8983 Рік тому +1

    I never knew about adaptability in DS2, never leveled it up, and beat the game 3 times. I still don't understand why people bitch about it.

  • @SpyNoob21
    @SpyNoob21 7 місяців тому

    "lets see if i give you a outr-" video ends

  • @Kukker2283
    @Kukker2283 Рік тому +4

    I don't think you can really go back and play Nioh 1, after Nioh 2 -but just letting you know Nioh 2 is quite a bit more polished so they are not really same tier.
    Other than that I agree pretty much, personally not a fan of Mortal Shell, but everyone else I know praises it a lot, so might be me being the issue.
    Hollow Knight as many others probably will say, you should give it a shot (more)?

  • @cybersleuther6185
    @cybersleuther6185 Рік тому +1

    Hollow Knight not being S tier physically hurts me, its A tier at the very least and that's streching it