I guess SOMEBODY had to make a Dark Sector Review
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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I think this may just be the longest video I've made so far, I hope you enjoy it, and I also hope that Warframe 1999 can capture the essence of Dark Sector.
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Hey All! This video took a lot to make and to my knowledge, everything should be accurate and in order, but if you notice anything amiss, please let me know and I'll make any clarifications here. Thanks again for watching, yall made this video possible!
Only 1 thing amiss: What is the name of the song in the intro and outro?
I had a lot of fun with the original Dark Sector, and I'm fairly certain I played it before I got into Warframe - I remember being super excited when they first introduced the Glaive, especially before they nerfed it XD
It's the Zariman Ten Zerk. Not the Nariman.
In Warframe nightwave mission I got a mission that says complete a mission with a glaive and pistol. And they call that "just like old times" reference to dark sector
thats awesome
when i saw that one, i was so giddy
I love that
In one of the old Battle passes you could get Protocol Skins which are his res versions of weapons from Dark Sector.
@@Lord_Phoenix95 I have them all lol
Fact of the day: any DE employee recent or old will immediately have nightmares about Dark Sector and how badly they abandoned it (for good reason to be honest) once a year. This goes from the designers and devs all the way to Steve himself.
I definitely don't doubt that, you can tell that Dark Sector had a great deal of love put into the lore and setting that could have only come about from the folks working on it having a genuine passion for it. I wouldn't trade the Warframe we have today for anything, but the thought of some kind of follow up to dark sector does have an appeal to it
That would be awesome, but im definitivly happy that warframe exists@@Zachmo
There's so much DE could do to incorporate the lore of dark sector in with Warframe.
@@Ace4573 iirc they don't have the rights to it anymore, no?
@@coel3572 It would be nice if they could get in contact with the company that has the rights and negotiate something, at least.
If I recall correctly, the infected go insane because the technocyte virus causes immense and constant pain.
The reason Hayden handles getting infected fine is because he has congenital insensitivity to pain, an extremely rare medical condition where a person doesn't feel any pain.
I'm pretty sure this is never mentioned in-game, I only know about it because I read it in a gaming magazine some time before release.
I remember hearing that too, from somewhere. It makes me think about just how much other plot or background from the game had to be left on the cutting room floor. Something that I only noticed through wiki diving is that Nadia is related in some ambiguous way to Viktor, the informant Hayden kills in the prologue. You'd never know it going just off of in game info though.
It would be so cool if DE had the IP rights to Dark Sector again
Uhh, but ... in cutscene where he was infected he reacted to being impaled with grunts of pain.
@@quint3ssent1a The fact that he was only grunting in pain, rather than blindly attacking everything around him, kind of proves the point. Perhaps Hayden was merely highly insensitive to pain, instead of being unable to feel pain. At a certain point, the practical difference is irrelevant.
What you said makes me think that the Sacrifice quest in Warframe might be yet another nod back to Dark Sector. Because the reason the first Warframes went insane and were deemed uncontrollable by the Orokin was because of the incredible physical (and emotional) pain that their transformation induced within them. And the Tenno were only able to control them by "taking their pain away."
You know, the fact that the whole time-manipulation, continuity, and alternative timeliness is a thing in warframe....who knows... maybe darksector is just one of them
If DE manages to use Eternalism to make Dark Sector concurrently canon with 1999 I won't even be mad, you'd just have to respect the move
An alternate thread in the weave of Khra
@Zachmo respects is as an understatement. Would TOTALLY give em huge kudos. Would give "We end, as we began" one WHOLE different perceptive to analyze lore wise.
@@Zachmo I mean, there is a lot of nods to Dark Sector in Warframe, but the most interesting one that really makes me think the game already is Canon in the timeline is the fact Nyx has a skin that is straight up the nemesis(and nods to the fact it came from dark sector). there is also the fact the last boss of dark sector is a common boss in Warframe(Lephantis)
@AllucardBR-JPFS, "Why do you destroy us? We are your flesh" Lephantis
I went to the first Tennocon wearing the Dark Sector hat that came with the pre-order waaaaay back. The devs I managed to meet and staff actually loved me for wearing it, and when they asked my name, they were ecstatic to learn that my name is Hayden. They all warmly joked 'My god, the first Tenno walks among us.' lol The Proto Excalibur is a skin I have never removed, and for all its flaws, I still love the hell out of this game. But it was cool to see that the developers of Warframe still hold Dark Sector as a failed but fond memory. It's clear that without Dark Sector, Warframe would never be. And without Hayden, there would be no Tenno. I'm super excited for 1999, but part of me still hopes this game is canon to the timeline in some shape or form, as it's been held as precursor gospel amongst lore fans as a peak into the distant past with how the virus was born and ultimately spread throughout the universe, and that Hayden's unique biology may have been key in creating Warframes, a virus/technological fusion to allow suits to incorporate the powers without being infected. The same way Nadia was human but could utilize all the abilities by wearing her Warframe.
Either way, this game will always be a part of the legacy.
And I'm glad you enjoyed it!
From what i recall of old DE interviews (pre 2012) Warframe the space game was conceptualized and going through pre-production before thy came to publishers and got rejected with the space theme. They had to re-invent the setting into 20th century military shooter to gain publisher's approval. That means Warframe lore/setting is the original from which Dark sector takes root and not the other way around.
Yeah, that was around 1999 (when they finished work on Unreal Tournament) to 2004 (When it got very close to full production).
So we are back at it again 1999 the year it all began 😅
Dude literally says this like 2 min into the video
@@frealsolidusauxil5873 we're back... and we end as we began
Man, noticing little Warframe carry overs is really cool. 15:28 That's the sound of the Lex
the enferon being referenced by the new military as the 'efervon' weapons in 1999 is a fun little reference, too!
Yessss, I noticed that too when I got to that part in the video!
Hollvania is just another random central European sounding ish name too. It's so clearly, and delightfully a rehash.
R.I.P Unreal Tournament btw. Fuck Epic for Killing it off.
A detail that what was surprisingly not mentioned - Nyx in Warframe has a "Nemesis" skin that looks exactly like Nemesis in Dark Sector.
tats bc it ish nem. fwom D.S same as the glave and pwoto excal. skins tere all call bcks tu D.S as wen tey were relesed tey didnt tink tat us tenno would delve intu it bck ten tbh but at the time a few tenno suchy as myself started peicing it tugether and at tat time wen tennocon hit tat yr tere were some ppl asking about the 2 connections but DE nvr answerd em on the topic anyhoo im hopeing tat wif 1999 update DE will just come out and say it tat WF/DS are connected and 1 in the same instead of being bakas...but tats my opion tu tis 🙄
Lay off the drugs and get professional help
Bro’s talking to himself on the way to the station
Someone's been listening to
Into the Void
@@joefloggg3257Best Nine Inch Nails song
Pictures in his head of the final destination...
@@MEYH3M All lined up, all the ones that aren't allowed to stay...
@@reconkiller9777 Tried to save himself but his self keeps slipping away...
The jackal in this game kinda looks like the hounds you get from the sisters of parvos.
Also kinda looks like the jackal boss fight a little, makes you wonder really
DE_Steve and DE_Geoff said long time ago in a devstream that Warframe was supposed to be the far flung future of DS. However they changed the story along the line and just kept some easter eggs. On a scale of 1 to 10 of being related to Warframe, DS is about 5 or 6.
Oh, wow. They even reused the shot sound from The Hammer--that's my baby Lex Prime!
Arthur... like Excalibur's wielder? 😳
Oh shit
I didnt even think about this god damn
"I have a plan, Arthur..."
I really appreciate that you showed that CGI trailer for original concept for Dark Sector, because I remember first watching it and being so hooked on from that :D
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I was always wondering why DE is holding the glaive (glaive prime specifically) in such OP state that its like the ferrari of weapons in warframe, not getting nerfed and simultaniously being insanely expensive, but after seeing this, I guess it could be a sentimental legacy kind of thing to keep it special
Early Warframe cover art had Excalibur basically every time with either the skana or the glaive. His design is made to go with the glaive specifically as well
all i want to see is the return of hayden tenno in warframe 1999,at least as an NPC or at least som documents of the story, not for canon storyline, at least for Easter egg on how warframe startes, a memorial for how it became over 11 years of warframe.....
Imagine they remake Dark Sector with today's technology and make it a prequel to warframe lore.
tey might dep. on how well tis update gos down at lest im banking on it 😅
Great video but YO. That Bionicle Heroes DS theme in the background is sick
Something to note is that DE apparently don't actually have the rights to the Dark Sector IP. Instead they're currently held by the game's publisher, Deep Silver.
So if DE wanted to make a follow-up or remaster they would need to negotiate with Deep Silver in order to do so.
I knew there was legal issues
soes this mean we dont get any easter eggs of dark sector in warframe 1999? :(
@@l4w1nc0l7well, the proto-skins for excalibur and glaive already exist, so...
@@l4w1nc0l7 There may well be a few nods to it, just nothing that will explicitly link the two as canon.
Given that Warframe already has several nods to the game (beyond the Proto and Nemesis skins and the Glaive melee finishers, the Zealoid Prelate's model is a dead ringer for the stalkers from Dark Sector).
@@thegrouchization Also you can see Nadia on a poster in 1999
Great video. I've always been curious about Dark Sector but never had the drive to play it, so it was good to be able to experience it vicariously like this.
Also it vindicates my overuse of glaive-type weapons in Warframe, so thats pretty neat.
The dark sector jackal also looks like a corpus hound
I’m literally only 22 seconds into this video and you’ve earned a like from me. A Warframe player making a review about Dark Sector while playing music from Furi in the background. Absolute Goat.
This game needs a remaster, updated graphics, enhanced ui, and NEW GAME +
or rework as a warframe sub-world story expirience (*such as Duviri)
@@rafar9563 this will work
@@rafar9563 Warframe 1999
I'd kill for NG+
I straight up NEVER got to use any of the higher tier weapons. Hell, I probably only got to use half of the guns
This is why I miss VG in the 90s and early 2000's because developers were truly experimenting with allot of concepts for games unlike today.
The title and thumbnail alone made me sub. This is gonna be a fun channel.
Great vid bro, I played this game years ago, had no clue digital extremes was behind this. Quick side bar, once I unlocked the glaive I never used guns lol
Yup, just what I needed because I loved DS and loved the fact that it's foundational to Warframe. That Glaive was and still is legendary, lol subscribed too thx for the
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I liked this one back in the day. Thanks for making a review!
This went beyond what i expected a Dark Sector Review to be, very detailed and very well researched.
Nicely done.
My favorite way of thinking of Hayden’s character is that up until infection he only sees things in black and white(figuratively) and follows the “good soldiers follow orders” mind set. An almost indoctrination l. It’s only when he’s infected that he starts having his mind opened. To mimic the art direction, seeing the world not only in Greys now, but full color
I actually remember seeing this in the newspaper. They reviewed it and everything.
3:52 “everybody wanted some of that delicious COD money”
COD was pretty established as a PC focused IP at the time. It was Gears of War that folks were really trying to copy at the time
watch 1999 be DE's version of Dark Sector being a canon alternate timeline.
"An Earth not quite like our own"
The final boss reminds me of Lephantis from Warframe, which is a giant Infested monster with 3 heads: Grineer, Corpus and Ancient (Infested enemy type)
The darksector story could continue in a warframe quest line one day
Is that the Bionicle shooter's ( forgot name) theme from the DS as the background?
yes.
after tennocon it seems its very much going to connect dark sector
Arthur/Excalibur, I wonder how far they'll push the similarity... everything is possible with realities crossing timelines (Operator/Drifter).
Back when this came out I was so Hyped.
This and singularity are so underrated
True
Excellent, video on Dark Sector. In the Warframe quest that introduces the Infested, and has you detonate a bomb, I want to say had a lotus line that explicitly said it was Enferon. But, I am not 100% on that, and would have to see if I could dig up proof. As for the canon status, I think the introduction of the multiverse to Warframe gives DE the option to alway say or use any version of Dark Sector. But, the Dark Sector we got was also a very painful experience for the those that worked on it. Just as you showed how much the games concepts got changed by the market conditions, really hurt the hearts and minds of DE developers. So, I can only imagine there is a bitter sweet memory of the DS that was released. All that is too say, even if DE has all the rights and a in world explanation to go back to the 2008 DS game, they probably just don't want to. 1999 is DE giving itself permission to reinvent DS and create a proper prequel to WF. Something, that would be confusing and messy if treating DS 08 as strict cannon, instead of a spiritual successor, and maybe a far off multidimensional iteration of Eternalism.
Genuinely cool to know so much about this game. Thanks for all the info! Extra points for FURI music 👍
9:30 I see we've adopted the Mandy Homealone gag
hell yeah, a Tenno covering darkSector. I love WF currently and wouldn't trade it for the world... HOWEVER I do wonder what things would be like if OG concept darkSector had been able to rival to Dead Space the same way that Resident Evil and Silent Hill are rivals.
in the lore of warframe, dark sector is nothing but a movie
This is an awesome video. Good job! This was like a documentary.
Arthur being Hayden is one of those "everyone who knows, knows" bits of gaming.
It's like Gaster in Deltarune. Confirmed by the fans, regardless of the true outcome. If it doesnt happen, many people will be VERY disappointed.
1999 (to my understanding) is an altered history due to Albrecht Entradi traveling back in time and changing things. Thanks to the infinite multiverse implications of Eternalism, somewhere in the Warframe universe there's an alternate timeline where Dark Sector happened.
Dark Sector was an underrated gem!
I want that ak, we gotta have a quest where we rob arthur for his gun
It was a twitch drop during tennocon
@@thomaspriewasser6660 yeah i know, already have it
no way bro say the zariman "nariman" 😭😭😭
i think all of Warframe players never knew about this... but when we got the skin of Excalibur... many of us realize that Dark Sector canon or not, is a part of Warframe
as someone who's only barely played Warframe, I'm so surprised that Dark Sector game I tried back when I was a teen has these many connections to Warframe. Maybe I'll go back to Warframe after this vid, great vid btw
They pretty much did get to make their dream high speed MMO shooter later in their years . Thats what war frame kind of is
The first Dark Sector cinematic looked amazing at the time. Like Solid Snake in Space
holy shit i can't believe i finally found out what the name of this game was. I remember playing it a long time ago probably around 2010 and really enjoyed it. You've unlocked a part of my memory haha thanks so much for this!
THIS WAS A WILD GAME
Its amusing to think that our clandestine CIA agent is the first Tenno,ill keep it in my headcannon folder because it entertains me.
WTB Hayden's Glaive Riven PMO.
Jokes aside it's interesting seeing how much of Warframe exists in Dark Sector.
This game was in a compartment in my brain that I completely forgot about. Dark Sector was one of the first 360 games I ever played lmfao
I have Felt like the only person That ever played Dark Sector amongst all the people ive talked to about games!
Same bro it's a horrible thing I don't wanna be indie lol It was a solid game
Fun fact - Stalkers invisibility gives you an instant kill on enemies in mele range while you are cloaked.
Thats the one hit kill Nemesis uses on you later.
I remember when using glaives with ivaras navigator would sometimes bring an item back to you, like in DarkSector. Pretty funny
I am furious that you failed to mention that the aiming reticule when you're about to throw the glaive is EXACTLY the same as the one used in Warframe!
Hold on hold on I came here expecting a nice lil analysis on a nostalgic game from back in the day and now I have to jump into the “Darksector is Warframe” rabbit hole now? What the fuuuuck
tldr; Darksector takes place in an alternate universe to Warframe
ah yes when people ask what i mean by “ill use my dark sector build” i can send them this video
Thank you for making this, there’s truly no vids on this game worth watching until now👍🏾
HOLY SHIT. THIS GAME. THIS FUCKING GAME. IVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR IT FOR OVER A DECADE, TRYING TO FIND IT AND BEING CONVINCED IT WAS A FABRICATED MEMORY, A FEVER DREAM. THANK YOU
Dam you made me remember this game , what a fun and good game . Surprisingly it run pretty decent back then on my PC . It was that time where the RE4 third person camera was becoming popular and others used it for their games . I considered the graphics pretty great too back then .
Didn't knew about the history of the development of this game , some sick tech demos and concepts . Thanks man .
I still have my original copy, I played this, Elder Scrolls 3 and call of duty when I got my 360. I love this game. Underrated.
Dark Sector was the first rated M game I bought at the ripe age of 17. It still holds a special place in my heart
i remember wanting to play Dark Sector but never realized the connection
warframe 1999 is a spiritual remake of dark sector. Has that been done before lol?
Hey, maybe in 1999 we will actually meet Hayden Tenno.
this game was a hugely formative experience for me, so I'm glad someone's talking about it.
I also remember being baffled by how abruptly the game ends and writing(email) to DE to ask about the possibility of a New Game plus option or something, to my surprise they responded but only to say they didn't have any plans for that but were glad to hear I wanted more and that they were planning on doing more with story at some point. Too bad Warframe ended up not being my cup of tea.
This review really did Dark Sector the justice it deserves.
Is that some MAGNAVOLT at the end?
I loved Dark Sector as a kid. Went back later on and bought a copy for the ps3 when I got older. Definitely showed its age, but I still had a blast. Every time its brought up, I pray for a remake or a sequel as futile as it may be.
I'm SO FUCKING GLAD I wasnt the only who thought Arthur was Hayden Tenno, when WF:1999 shown off. I almost lost my mind that DE brought him back.😅
After i settled down, i was glad Arthur was his own character AND vocied by Ben Starr, no less!
Thnks for the review of Dark Sector, i played this many years ago and much of it is a blur to me now.
Finally someone else who recognised Arthur as Hayden and not that guy from Metal Gear
this game just popped into my mind after 15 years and here is a review from yesterday
damn what a piece of nostalgia appeared in my feed. I loved Dark Sector back in the day. It was a good game. Nothing extraordinary but still a good game to play through, especially if you like Warframe. Great video
you get a like for the fury soundtrack in the background.
Somebody already did bud a few years ago but in today's world anything that happened a month ago is ancient history
Wait, THAT'S why Nyx has a Nemesis skin? She was in here too??
Holy shit I hope they give us fold up helmet animations and hauman Warframe faces to play around with, but not a lot of play, as these faces aren't ours.
Great video! Also wanted to say that Mezner Boss Fight reminds me to Lephantis from Warframe
Good review. You seem to have a knack for making good quality videos
As a millennial finding out DE were the guys that made Unreal tournament is crazy 😮
I loved DarkSector enough to get all the achievements back when it came out. i never knew it was somewhat related to warframe.
I remember playing this game and getting stuck at a part where you have to throw your weapon and control it to access the next area
Such a nostalgic game for me, my teenage self loved the edginess
I think also the fact that ("fact" its just a thing I heard and I vaguely remember checking and confirming that its true but I dont recall 100%) that Excal has Hayden Tenno written on him in orokin script helps make darksector canon
I will always consider it canon no matter what DE says
sorry
I will not be swayed
I like your style and your review of this hidden gem, and you got yourself a sub. But - the boss fights, on the contrary, are fun, as they usually use puzzle elements instead of simply shooting a weak point or the like.
Great game overall.
3:01 "click to enlarge"
buddy, I'm already wayyy ahead of you 😲😲
The glaive throw mechanics in Warframe actually are just lifted straight from dark sector, if you time the throw right you get the same high powered throw, not to mention all the other carry overs from dark sector
I vividly remember having the gameinformer with game on the cover. I always wanted to play it but always forget to pick it up