Shooting with the Arri Alexa Classic
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- Today we take out the Arri Alexa Classic and the Canon C70 for a video shoot. See what the Alexa Classic can accomplish out in the wild.
Always a pleasure working with
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Timestamps
0:00 Failed vlog
0:48 Intro
1:31 C70 as B-cam
2:05 Camera movement
2:40 Vintage Lenses and EF mount
4:03 Highspeed 120 fps
4:47 Alexa B-roll Compilation
7:06 I love the Alexa
7:37 Upcoming Work
jesus man, the colors. the *colors*... absolutely spot on...
Keep up the good work, I love the informal setting of your videos!
Another awesome video man! Thank you for uploading. The Footage looks amazing. Great to see you working on a vintage lens! Looking forward to seeing the short film you will work on 🙏👍
KEEP EM COMING. I’ve never used an Arri before but it’s a dream of mine.
Right on bro!
great video! I'm excited to see more from your channel!
These are awesome! Please keep them coming 😁
Great video, I can't wait to see when you start shooting short films.
Hey, beautiful footage. Great to see the camera used for these kind of shots. The form factor and your setup seems to work very well for you, tucked under your arm with the control monitor on top.
I don’t know what it is exactly about this camera but the image is so pleasing. I totally want one and it is utterly impractical.
Was fortunate to work on a shoot using an Alexa mini a couple of weeks ago - what an image that ALEV sensor produces - it's got a universal wowness that has nothing to do with perceptual camera knowledge - even clients notice it when looking at the monitor.
Really cool.
Would love to see an Alexa vs C70 video, especially in the dynamic range department. Considering how both use DGO tech
Hopefully I can deliver that this month! I've been impressed with the dynamic range so far.
What do you think of the dynamic range and "noise" when you film underexposed areas and subjects etc. Do you think that the camera gives your more flexibility to shoot natural then a more expensive camera with lighting etc.
It has about 6 stops of dynamic range in the highlights, still the best on the market. When it comes to shadow areas it's a bit subjective depending on how much noise you are comfortable with. It retains color accuracy very well even when under exposed which is one of the big benefits of the sensor.
In short I would say it's a fantastic camera to use for no lighting style shooting. The more and more lights you incorporate the more and more the difference between cameras begins to diminish.
Hopefully that gives some insight.
What is the rig you are using to hold the Alexa called? Mine is too heavy.
Id love to see a side by side of the s1h. I have the s1h but have been toying with the idea of getting an Alexa
It's been hard to match shooting in 10 bit but if you shoot RAW and use the color space transformation in Resolve it should match well. I've gotten the Sigma FP to match pretty easily. The color coming off the Panasonic may not be as workable though. Hopefully I can test it one of these days.
this deep voice!
Are you recording to an ATMOS external recorder ?
Nope just the internal recording. That would be a good way to get around using the expensive SXS cards, but you'd be limited to 422.
Cool Man thanks. Buying an Amira soon 🤍
Awesome man, that might be next up for me.
do you use external 7Q raw recorder or is it just a monitor?
Just a monitor. The Pix-e5 can record HD 444 out but not RAW unfortunately. It can be a good option if you don't want to buy the somewhat expensive SXS cards.
To me RAW is kind of a pain to deal with on the Alexa so I'd rather just shoot 444. I do have SXS cards though as I am not a big fan of external recorders, just another point of possible failure.
Hey Renaissance Digital, what kind of top plate are you using? And how is installed?
Bro let me find what cheese plate I used. It was fairly simple but definitely confusing to find as there are next to zero modern accessories for the Classic body.
@@renaissancedigital5730 man been praying for solution brotha, I almost want to pull out cad solid works and design my own. Got any request?
@@renaissancedigital5730 looks like CAMVATE Aluminum Cheese Plate, but the screw holes line up? That’s flippin genius! I just some sort of confirmation. Fire content btw, need to drop more man.
Alsome Camera! whats the handle name? its so fast to ajust!
It's called the Shape Double Quick Arri rosette handle. It's definitely super handy and quick to adjust!
Any chance the side-by-side shots at 1:43 are mislabeled? When the medium shot was first shown at 1:36, I was certain it was the C70, especially since it came directly following the mention of the C70 in the narration. It has what I perceive as that smooth motion I associate - to varying degrees - with virtually every camera system out there aside from Alexa, where even 24fps looks smoother than you would expect. Like a less intense version of the motion interpolation on a TV. "Less separation between each frame" is a phrase that comes to mind. And then the closeup at 1:40 has not only that more pronounced motion cadence, where you can really see that separation from frame to frame, less perceived "blending" of the motion, but it also has that green-leaning tint that I expect from the Alexa as well. So imagine my shock at 1:43 when the image I thought was Alexa was C70 and vice versa, leaving me scratching my head as to how I could have liked the Canon image more. I'm here because I told myself when my Ursa Mini Pro eventually died (which it did this past weekend, after almost 5 years of use and one false alarm with the main board in 2020) I would finally get an old Alexa. But damn it if that shot at 1:40 doesn't have more of the motion cadence I'm after, and if that's really the C70 then I guess I may have to consider it. Unless....were you shooting 30fps? There were some other shots I saw that definitely looked like 30fps, so perhaps the Alexa was shooting 30 in this example? That might clear it up for me. And if all of the b-roll starting at 5:00 was shot on Alexa, then that would swing me back in favor of the Arri because that stuff looked great and exactly what I expect from Alexa, color and motion cadence-wise.
The shots are labeled correctly. All the b-roll starting at 5:00 is from the Alexa. I did do some slight work on the Canon to match it more to the ARRI. That could have been a mistake on my part for this video as I guess it gives an inaccurate baseline for the comparison. I need to do a much more precise test to demonstrate the differences between the two cameras. That will be coming in the next month at least.
I almost always shoot with a -3 green on the Alexa to compensate for the tint. That might be why you are not seeing it there as much. I have been really impressed with the C70 though it does sometimes feel like a toy next to the ARRI. I'd say coming from the URSA I think you'll like the Classic, as long as you can deal with the extra weight.
@@renaissancedigital5730 Thanks for the clarification. Great stuff. Definitely makes me reconsider the C70, which was never even really on my list of considerations prior to this, but the Alexa is still the dream cam of course. And I came from the OG big Ursa prior to the UMP so I feel like weight wouldn't be as big an issue as it would for some folks out there.
@@nickmichael8333 I haven't worked enough with the C70 to really have a strong opinion on it yet. I have in general been pleasantly surprised by it though. NDs are also a big plus. I wish it was a metal or carbon fiber body.
@@nickmichael8333 Bro, you were right it was accidentally shot in 29.97. It was set to 23.98 with the project at 29.97, from the last TV gig I did that required it. So I have slightly sped up footage. Good eye though, looking at it on a bigger screen you are absolutely right.
Curious to hear your thoughts on client perception. Can you command a higher rate because you show up with an “Arri” or just a big camera? Totally get that you like using Arri personally, but does it make sense as an investment since a lot of the stuff I saw in the footage would be indistinguishable from Canon R footage.
The Alexa definitely has a signature look but yes to your average client not so much. I am often able to charge an additional camera package fee. It's looking like the camera will have paid for itself in a couple months.
I'm hesitant to give advice on renting or rates as I think it's specific to where you live and who you know. People are more likely to rent from someone they already know or are at least aware of.
Part of the reason for the purchase was client perception and reputation for sure.
nice lamp
Very nice lamp indeed, great essay btw
hello.iam come from china. could u take about u vintage canon lenss?i want to konw more about it
I'll post a video on that as soon as possible!!
You just helped me realise something. This camera doesn't magically make your footage look better. It's technologically awesome, that magic the DG sensor is doing looks amazing but I just realised I can make the C70 look just as good
After using the Classic on 8 features this year as the A cam I can comfortably say the Alexa image just gives you something other cameras aren't giving. When you put a camera through its paces you really get to see it in every kind of situation and what its actually capable or not capable of.
That said I definitely would not recommend the Classic to most people. I have a friend who owns a GH5 and wants to upgrade. There really is no need for it though. The GH5 can tell an award winning story in the right hands.
The C70 and FX6 are probably the best options on the market in terms of overall image and usability in the field.
@@renaissancedigital5730 There is a powergrade called GHAlex by Emotive Color that will 100% match the Color, OLPF and the Gamma of ARRI Alexa. You won't be able to tell both cameras apart except by the DR. Your friend should use that. It will breathe new life into his Lumix
@@renaissancedigital5730 This camera seems like it's best use is in actual film production with a crew. All of it's features become huge assets in that setting. Maybe even music videos if you're really committed. Other than that it might become a nuisance
@@shueibdahir If you like doing a lot either handheld or on sticks its great. Past that support gear gets cumbersome and expensive. It also will take a toll on your body if you don't have assistants, I am definitely feeling it this year lol.
URSA Mini 4.6. Still love mine so much. A freaking workhorse for almost any situation.
Do you use the odyssey7q
I haven't. Prores 2k 444 has always seemed plenty for me.
Where did you get Leitax EF mount ? Great video btw :)
leitax.com They are based in poland. They have very quick shipping to the states. I am not sure if all this insanity in Ukraine is affecting shipping right now though.
@@renaissancedigital5730 Agreed, I also joined the club and purchased Alexa Classic 3 months ago and got Leitax FD mount from them. Not cheap but quality is fantastic and shipping was fast.
@@RednWhiteWorld I really love their products. I am thinking about getting their PL mount as the original ARRI one is difficult to remove and put back on.
How has your experience with the Classic been? I sometimes wish for a smaller setup but nothing can come close to the image it gives you.
@@renaissancedigital5730 Totally agreed. I come from BMD cameras and wanted to see the difference comparing it to ALEXA. My first impression even just looking through viewfinder having FD 35mm / f2 was WOW !!! I understood almost immediately that this is really whole another level. Footage was very clean despite low light setting and blacks are so deep. I am yet to take it to real film set but given the FD lenses and adapter are small size , this camera is not as that huge as it may be when PL zooms are attached what others are comparing it to.
I just love it, camera that gave us so many Oscar winning films, what is not to love !
Having finally in my life to own ARRI is just as exciting, I was there with Canon 7D shooting music video paid gigs when this camera was announced more then 10 years ago. I have now purchased LG HU85LA projector and trying to figure out VIVE trackers in Unreal Engine and have a go at Virtual reality with the ALEXA in UE 5.
That screams Hollywood to me on Indie budget with respectable gear.
Shit, it looks so good!
Hi Tom, I’m writing you from Italy, I like the quality of your video from minutes 4:47 to 7:00, can you tell me which lens you used to record this video on Arri Alexa Classic? Is it Canon FD 50mm F1.4 Vintage lens?
Hey Andrei, its a mixture of a lot of different lenses. A lot of Canon 35mm f2, some Pentax 50mm 1.2 and Canon 85mm 1.8.
@@renaissancedigital5730 Thank you Tom for your answer, really I don’t have the Arri Alexa Classic, probably I’ll be able to buy it in the next 1 year, I’m looking and studying the Alexa world and trying to understand and see which Arri records better and I found your recordings the best in comparison with new 4K Arri Mini and Mini Lf and SXT which humans recordings are far away from reality, their quality is fake, but yours with Arri Classic is real as my eyes see the world and that is perfection of videocamera and this Arri Alexa Classic I can found at cheaper price then the new Arri, this opens interesting possibilities to a common poor as me, I’m studying from you what to buy together with Arri Alexa Classic, I’ve found you use the HS7T II KeyPort, Leitax Canon Ef mount, now you explained me which lenses I can use to record, then you use THE DOUBLE QUICK HANDLE ARRI ROSETTE SINGLE SHADOW to control your videocamera, you record in Prores 444 or 422 in those videos? I have another question for you, which support equipment as a backpack you buy to fix and control your Arri Alexa Classic camera for recordings? And I want to ask you if the support for the KeyPort that joins it with Arri is included with KeyPort or Have I to buy it apart? If you have some other suggestions to share to understand how can I also record such video, as for example which anti-reflective for lenses you used so I know it will fit good with this lenses and other suggestions I’m grateful for your shared experience
@@renaissancedigital5730 Tom in your video here you explain that you use Canon 35mm f2 FD version lens not the EF and later you said that Leitax mount is the EF version, this Leitax EF mount is good for a FD lens? Or I don’t understand this part and your Leitax mount is a FD version?
@@andreiiakavlev3198 So Canon FD lenses need to be modified so they can be mounted to an EF mount. Several companies sell conversions kits for this. Shapeways and SIMMOD are two companies that sell these kits.
Leitax makes an EF mount. They also make a Canon FD mount if you don't want to convert the FD lenses to EF mount.
There are other great vintage glass options that can be mounted to EF such as Nikon lenses.
@@andreiiakavlev3198 I shoot 444 if I need the highest quality possible, otherwise I shoot 422.
Any monitor with SDI inputs will work. You just need the SDI cable. Unfortunately there are no monitor that give you access to camera controls. You have to use the EVF or side panel for that.
In terms of anti reflection for lenses a polarizer works. Most brands will work fine for that. Just get one that fits your lens or a get a step up ring.
What do you record on? What is your monitor?
I recorded internally to SXS cards. I do have an external recorder which is the Pix E5, but I usually just use it to monitor.
@@renaissancedigital5730 Thanks for that. I assume this monitor doesn’t allow for arriraw, right?
@@StillPictureProduction Unfortunately not, you have to get the Odyssey7Q. I personally find Prores 444 to be really nice and the smaller file sizes are nothing to complain about.
@@renaissancedigital5730 I did get the 7Q+ but I was looking for a brighter monitor option with arriraw capabilities. All the best to you!
@@StillPictureProduction yeah unfortunately it doesn't exist. I think the Gemini does RAW. You could pair that with a brighter monitor I suppose. Lot of bulk to an already heavy rig tho.
Honestly what I'd really want is a monitor that can also control the camera. Too bad its a dead system with no new accessories. The image is so hard to look past though.
What about an F3 vs Alexa video?
like video vs digital film
Why are you not making more footage with alexa ??? Want to see more
Sorry I have! Shot 2 features with it so far. Just need to make some videos! Been super busy having moved to New York City! I need to get on the youtube game again
@@renaissancedigital5730 how can we see your feature films . please let us know. excited to see . thank you
hello are you the one using the camera?
no that is Roger Deakins
are you roger deakins
What are you settings. Do you record in 2k
Yes 2k unless I am shooting 120p which is HD only. It looks so good even if you only shoot in prores 422.
2k arri raw?
The odyssey7q hardrive are 500 something and they record only 14 min in raw do you know were to buy larger hardrive for the odyssey7q 😁
@@pjjackson7358 the hard drives for the Odyssey are the Samsung 850 PRO. You can get 2tb 850 pros. A 512gb card will give you 48 minutes in ARRIRAW 2.8k 24fps. So that is like 200 minutes on a 2TB card. I know a 1tb card will work not sure about the 2tb, but I don't see why not.
@@pjjackson7358 Just Prores. I mostly find myself shooting in Prores 422.
Would definitely have thought this was Blackmagic Gen5 footage if the video wasn't Arri derived
BM footage just feels a lot thinner when you start playing with it, haven't played with the URSA 12K yet, I have heard good things about it.
Hey, do my eyes deceive me or at 2:44 , you rigged a DIY top plate plus handle set up. How's that holding up? Got any more details on it? Legit there's a lot of Alexa Classics listed without a top handle or bridge plate. These poor people who buy naked Alexas are in for a real treat. If you can do a rig run down video, I'm pretty sure the community would love you forever.
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Footage looks horrendous digital de noised. You sure this is an ARRI?
welcome to youtube compression
final results footage does not look like shooting with an alexa classic. many other smaller cameras can do this kind of footage easily.