Toughfan 12 VS A12x25 is the copy as good as the ORIGINAL?
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2021
- There is no way you can convince me that Thermaltake didnt just copy the A12x25, with some slight modifications. The most stark one being the black and grey color scheme, we have been asking for a Chromax A12x25 for years, we just didnt know Thermaltake was going to be the one to make it for us.
Is the copy as good as the original, well today we take a shot a finding out.
Noctua A12x25
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Thermaltake Toughfan 12 twin pack
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Lol, that “this vs that” intro, good taste
It’s funny how often the car community and PC tech community comes together
@@ATejkl well yea, you guys do the beep boops for my civic
Same
awesome intro
Friggin rights he just did, this must be zip n plies ungreased for pc's :D
I like the static pressure test idea, It would be cool to see it incorporated in the fan showdown. A test rig with a flap that has a pointer and a number scale would be fairly easy to construct.
Great content! Keep it coming.
it can be mirror surface on a flap and laser above the fan. Red dot will show you fan power on the table.
@@arsmol yes, with just a bit of code, a metallic coated paper, a laser pointer and a stepper motor with spindle combined could give you a lot of information on what the fans are doing.
re-do all the fans! :D
To be fair though, mounting the fan on the top of a u-shaped, water-filled tube isn't much more difficult to construct, and it will immediatly give you a measurement in the right units (mm H2O).
@PC_Modder I don't realize that at all, rather I'm sure it would measure only the static pressure, as the airflow through the fan will come to a stop once the pressure within the tube reaches the maximum static pressure that the fan can generate.
Noctua: 0.14A
Thermaltake: 0.7A
Power consumption seems to be one key difference.
That's actually a surprisingly major difference.
Rated power consumption isn't really comparable between brands. Some of them write the maximum locked-rotor current, some of them write the typical 100% speed current, etc. That's why current ratings can be weirdly high on Coolermaster fans, for example
Needs to be measured, I want to see, but I doubt there would be more than 5% difference for the same RPM
Another thing - on pccasegear.com, the Toughfan is apparently rated for 0.12A, I'm not sure if that figure is correct or not
The real key difference is a flaw in the design of the thermaltake fan:
It has a round casing, with open gaps, that will lose efficiency on radiators and you can't even mount rubber gaskets on them, because they don't have a square contact frame. See the Corsair QL120: Same cooling on radiators at 1500rpm as an Arctic P12 at 800rpm
I'm really baffled by Thermaltake dumb design mistake, considering they point their market towards watercooling!
I replace fans in commercial equipment (transmitters and CCTV NVRs) as well as home computers, all of which run 24/7 for many years. I have been using Noctua since I found them. I have never replaced a Noctua fan because they last a very long time. For me the beige/brown is a badge of quality. Once I install Noctua fans in something I don't need to repair it again (for heat issues). Usually, for me, endurance outweighs beauty.
That was my thought as well, although I don't have much experience with noctua fans or PC fans in general. Given that the performance is about the same, my guess is that the more expensive one will just last longer.
I have never needed to replace a fan in any computer I have ever built and not once have purchased a Noctua fan. I am also pretty sure most people don't use Noctua, so it stands to reason when you replace fans, they are unlikely going to be Noctua. It's not that Noctua fans are better quality, it's just there are way more none Noctua fans out there.
It's a similar thing to how a lot of people like to say how Mac doesn't get viruses, but the simple truth is it does ... it's just so few because why create a virus that only infects a very small percentage of computers? Those who are making them are always going to go for the bigger slice.
@@SilvyReacts if you never replaced fans it means your needs are just low, I as a person valuing silence just bought bunch of "silent" fans from different brands and only A12x25 does well enough, though SW3 would probably be close to that but I skipped the 120mm variant and can't really compare the 135 one to that
You want Endurance, how about a Titanium-Aluminum Alloy fan, or why not a sintered Titanium-Carbide fan, or Boron Nitride fan, The fans would never break, and are more heat resistant than Ice.
@@Z4KIUS or my power supplies don't fluctuate like a madman, and I don't blow the cables of fans, burning the wires due to too high current. Because some idiot decided to wire copper wires with aluminum wires.
this vs that intro caught me off guard, 11/10
I'm a this vs that fan :-)
Seriously, I was checking to make sure what channel I was on 😅
@@MajorHardware ha ha that was punny.
Inb4 somebody uses this pun as inspiration for a fan showdown idea
One real reason to stick with the Noctua is reliability. The A12x25 has a 6 year warranty, the Toughfan only 2 years. And the Noctua also comes with a bunch of useful accessories.
That additional 4 years of warranty could account for the slightly elevated price point. Thanks for this tidbit.
But who uses a warranty for a fan?
I legitimately do not care even in the slightest about a warranty on a $20 part. I would literally rather just pay $20 rather than deal with the RMA process and keeping track of receipts. Besides, the warranty is not free. It is factored into the price which is why the Noctua is over 50% more expensive.
If Noctua wants to insist on making their products atrociously ugly for decades then I'll gladly just spend my money elsewhere.
@@bgdowns10171 Warranty of a product is a real indicator of how long the company expects it to last.
@@ydihtty Then why do they charge 50% of the price of the product for it? Lol warranties are never free. Free shipping is never actually free either. Everything is factored into the price of the product
Wow, I'm surprised TT would ever copy another company's design, that's so unlike them.
I have Noctua fans that are over 6 years old, all working beautifully. I'd choose Noctua every time without a doubt, I've reused their fans in multiple builds.
Are you being sarcastic?
@@EvilCerealBoX yes and no
Well, noctua got their inspiration from the nidec GT, so there's that.
Thermalfake always copies others, but in this case, i won´t take sides. Noctua is on the same level of scumminess.
While I'm not a fan of TT, they just filled a market need that has been there for a while. Sorta scummy, but not that much.
@@TTks124 Noctua would take the same design and improve greatly upon them, Thermaltake does not, they copy and make them cheaper to undercut the 'original' design, for example they took Caselab designs and make them filmsy and lower quality, they don't have to do much RnD as their aim is not to improve upon it.
This is one of the reasons why Caselab got bankrupt, Caselab made the RnD and loss but then Thermaltake takes the profit of the hard work of Caselabs.
WHATTTTTT!?
ThermalTake ripped off another company again?
Noooooo, surely not
Right? Thermalfake strikes again
Can someone tell me why taiwainese and chinese companies have no ethics? Jez...
Easy clap.
@@WillCodeForFood.1905 And there still are youtubers who straight support getting the cheap copy...
surprised pikachu face
my last thermaltake fan didn't last long, and i still have 11 years old noctua fans that run like day one. So, on that note, i will stick with Noctua, because i'm pretty sure that their lifetime will be greater
My thermatake fans are still running strong after 4/5 years, that being said I wouldn't buy from Thermaltake again for ethical reasons
@@luca_sbll where is noctua’s manufacturing?
@@i2rtw Noctua's fans are made in either Taiwan or China. Gamersnexus put out a video comparing the two different country of origin kinds.
I guess for the price of those and the very old known design way before Noctua fan's I bet they will be reliable as this is not TT's common 5$ fans or some crap like that, but who knows...
I've got some riing series Thermaltake fans that are still working fine after 6 years
The A12 copied the Gentle Typhoon's from Nidec. It was the fan that everyone tried to rip off. It also had the same small blade to frame gap. To this day it still has the highest static pressure even against the A12 at low RPM.
Sticking with Noctua out of principle. Though I have been waiting for the 140MM version and in chromax. I opted for the more standard noctua fans in chromax for my rad just because... brown.
Yep. Spot on. TT has a long history of ripping off products . It's pretty sad really.
I think I would just go with those artic p14 fans instead of thermaltake or paying a lot more for noctua
Copy hurt the brand, the tt is only cheaper because they stole it, so the R&D was way cheaper
I just watched a video about them copying caselabs, and I can’t say I’m surprised. In any market, unless you are able to do something unique which is not easily copied by someone else, the possibility of imitation should always be at the back of your mind.
It is immoral to just copy something from another, but unless there are patents on the design, I can’t see much reason to blame the copying company. If you offer the same specifications, for a lower price, consumers would really have to think twice before buying the “original”. As they say “it’s just business”…
@@rushilkisoon yeah scummy business practices always suck.
I feel like the only person crazy enough to actually enjoy the Noctua design. I mean, there is no denying that when you see the beige and brown "That's the good one, no mistake."
Now, I also decided to apply vinyl woodgrain to my glasspanel PC case, so I might be against the typical user styling. Even then, when you see a black fan it's easy to mistake it for another one at first glance. When you see a beige and brown fan, you KNOW it's a Noctua.
The power of branding, and quality, cannot be beat.
there are also people like me who don't care what their PC build looks like. i cant even see into my case, it's just a black box that i use as a foot rest as often as not. there is a noctua in there though.
Very true but once, i heard someone say their color scheme was poop brown and hearing aid tan. Ever since then i cant get that combination out of my head
For me, the little bit of better cooling doesn't justify the terrible colors. It's really not THAT important to squeeze out every little bit of cooling as an average consumer. As generally, as long as your fan isn't garbage it will usually work well enough even for your typical overclocks. So why sacrifice on aesthetics if you don't have to? Having a computer with a similar theme is one thing, but for anyone else ... I don't understand it. They also cost way more too, and it's so unneeded. Anyone who brags about having noctua fans is brain dead. Reminds me of the same kind of people who brag about using Apple products.
@@SilvyReacts Noise. Silence is a huge priority, and you get the noctuas and get AIB GPUs with the best cooling/noise. Though Id hate to be buying these fans now, theyve doubled in price. I paid approx $30 AU each for A12x25s back in 2018, they are now $70!! Buying PC parts now is absolutely ridiculous.
@@fredfinks
Tons of fans are pretty silent that are not Noctua, and perform fairly well. So I still don't know if I would consider that a justification. I am just going to be frank, the colors are ugly. I would never use a Noctua due to that.
Plus, if silence was that much of a priority, a fanless build is entirely doable with liquid cooling. Pretty sure there is even a PSU that is fanless.
Noctuas are best. They are made out of molten Playmobil.
Lol, true
Overrated
What? Explain.
@Girl On A Quest Definitely not. Lots of different materials fall under the category of "plastics", all with different properties used for different purposes.
@@StuTubed Let the liberal idiots who don't understand material science, believe whatever, how else am I gonna make them believe that Atropine spiked Water is just Water... and not a surefire method to kill them in a most excruciating manner.
After all Noctua has done helping you create enjoyment for us. I would have a hard time buying the cheaper one to mutilate and create a monstrosity with.
I feel like this is his way of nudging Noctua to make a black fan.
You think giving him a few fans is really helping him "create enjoyment"? It's hours of printing, filming, and editing that makes these videos...not Noctua freebies of which he has purchased far more I'm sure anyway.
@@timmturner they are making a black fan, Q3 of this year for their roadmap is black A12x25
@@timmturner yup, i'm not even sure if Noctua has ever sponsored his channel/videos too.
Noctua's pitch sounds much more pleasant, more "harmonious" if you will, than the TT
I actually found, in person, that the Toughfans remain deeper and darker sounding while the Noctuas droned on at an unpleasant pitch. I did a ton of A/Bing before returning the Noctuas in favor of my Toughfans.
i do not own the noctua one in this showcase but i do have there cut down variante of redux 140mm and i also prefer the tone of the 120mm of thermatake granted not same size not toch noch versu top noch either but i think can't rely go wrong whit either ;) take it for what it is gamer for what it is lol.Only fan did saw push as much air than the thermatake in 120mm was there 135 mm from cryorig big model which not as pleasante sound wise whit 120mm mounting position still quite descent performer though.
@@pccoldwar9160 Well you are in luck! I just got a couple Toughfan 140s and they crank!
@@tronus98 did you find the Toughfan 12 to rattle at 1000rpm like Optimum Tech?
I don't think noctua can sue the competitors with similar design because we already saw it with the gentle typhoon. It was black, by the way, and also made a 5500 rpm version. Don't know if it was the absolute first.
You should also try the arctic version of this blade design, it should perform very well on radiators, is cheap and is also black.
Have you used the Arctic P12 120mm fan at all? I have scoured the internet wastes, and there are no fans that come close to the combination of price, static pressure, air flow, acoustics, reliability/warranty, and features. The PWM daisy chain version is still cheaper than most competitors and they even have a double ball bearing version...that beats most prices lol.
I've honestly wanted to stack 2 of thier slim versions together, just for some self-entertaining lolz for a while now. 😅
I equipped my case with these and can't say a bad thing.
the 5 Packs are such a great value.
They have the P12 ARGB now. super quiet and should rly make noctua wake up
That is because you have not checked out Delta fans. They are hard to come by but they are the best fans in the fan industry.
www.delta-fan.com/catalogsearch/advanced/
Noctua every day all the way !!
Colour vs Reliability, Noctua every time.
There is a thing called paint, if you know how to apply it, looks great.
I wouldn't paint the blades personally, out of risk of effecting performance, but the case is fair game for whatever color it needs to be
@@DrRussian yeah, I agree. But have done it. Very lite dry coat.
Best result I got was, no paint, but a thin plastic cowling over the body. Improved performance also.
Anyone remember the thermalfake scandal? I think they shouldn't have reminded us about it
But it isn't a copy though, both the Noctua A12X25 and Toughfan 12 are based on the Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoon, released in 2008 www.nidec-servo.com/en/digital/pdf/D1225C.pdf
There have been made multiple copies of the design other than Noctua and Thermaltake, for example, the XPG Vento Pro, which was a licensed design, and more recently the Scythe Wonder Snail 120. So no, Thermaltake didn't copy the A12X25, they all take inspiration from the same fan released in 2008, and actually don't even perform any better (see link at bottom), which is pretty sad considering that that was 13 years ago.
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@@swecreations well except it's made from the same material than the noctua, from what he said. It looks more than an inspiration to me
@@mrle0719 I don't think the material is that much important for the end user as long as it performs... Who cares if one is plastic A, the other B and other XYZ when at the end it matters is performance-per-price and reliability...
I'm not the kind that would pay extra for one made of titanium or carbon or whatever unless it would perform just MILES better than cheaper same fan plastic design...
@@guily6669 Errr, material science is important though. Part of the reason Noctua’s fans make the noise they do is the precision afforded by their proprietary blend that stretches just enough in motion to leave a small gap between fan blade and housing. Having a plastic that doesn’t share that property or isn’t as good could make a difference in longevity for weight or balance on a fan motor. It’s not a guarantee to have an effect but it’s not a guarantee that you should rule it out.
Literally just watched this vs. that before this lol. Love the nod
I´ve seen that fan before on other YT channels.
Unfortunatley here, they´re as expensive as the Noctua once, or even more expensive.
Also somehow I rly don´t appeciate Thermaltake stealing Noctua's design.
So I will most definitley stick to Noctua.
Nice testing as usual.
Take care, keep it comming.
It's not like noctua came up with the fan design. They just changed the material.
@@gheetza14 I mean they certainly look at least a little different to the Typhoons. The Toughfan looks identical to the A12x25, it just has lower precision standards and dropped the triangle bits on the blades.
@@gheetza14 Noctua certainly DID come up with that A12x25 design!
@@janezjavornik5432 they literally copied the gentle typhoon
@@janezjavornik5432 no,noctua DIDN'T come up with the design.
the Noctua has a better looking fan frame. I love the beige colors, but I'll also wait for the Chromax A12.
The Noctua Roadmap says Q3 2021
@@Steamrick In the past it also said 2019, 2020...
big ups on the Hoonigan reference! Keep all the amazing content comin!
Everyone doesn't know about the GentleTyphoon fan. They're the original fan with this similar profile.
I laughed when I saw your thumbnail! Thermal Take someone else’s design lol
But it isn't a copy though, both the Noctua A12X25 and Toughfan 12 are based on the Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoon, released in 2008 www.nidec-servo.com/en/digital/pdf/D1225C.pdf
There have been made multiple copies of the design other than Noctua and Thermaltake, for example, the XPG Vento Pro, which was a licensed design, and more recently the Scythe Wonder Snail 120. So no, Thermaltake didn't copy the A12X25, they all take inspiration from the same fan released in 2008, and actually don't even perform any better (see link at bottom), which is pretty sad considering that that was 13 years ago.
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Why can't Thermaltake do nothing for itself, less creative brand ever
Arent they a chinese brand?
@@Nbomber Yes they are, but it's not like a small noname Aliexpress brand, with the global representation they have, they should take this things more seriously.
I hope they collapse as a brand, just like they did with Caselabs, fucking TT suckers...
@@Nbomber they are Taiwanese...as a Chinese person i firmly believe that Taiwan is part of China(google Chinese civil war in case you are not clear on why).. but in this case they are Taiwanese a hundred percent and NOT Chinese
@@YOEL_44 no they are not..they are Taiwanese...as a Chinese person i firmly believe that Taiwan is part of China(google Chinese civil war in case you are not clear on why).. but in this case they are Taiwanese a hundred percent and NOT Chinese
@@niuchajianfa6222 Did your government make you say that? Lol... Taiwan is its own country, just happens to be next to a dictatorship 🇹🇼
You support the company that does the RnD.
Without companies like noctua, thermal take would have nothing to steal.
Exactly
noctua is an european company and spent years to make the fan, TT is a chinese company who spent a week to copy the fan. Yep, that's ok , support the fraud, when noctua goes bankrupt TT will have nothing to copy anymore and we will have cheap fans from china.
@@crichtonjohn1187 Taiwanese.
Yeah this is the thing that so many youtubers miss. Knockoff parts are good for those who don't have the budget, but absolutely anyone with the means should buy the original. It will fund more innovation in the long run thus benefiting the consumer. This especially applies when it comes to 3D printer parts, I feel really bad for the smaller companies that have their stuff ripped off and can't do anything about it. Don't advertise or use knockoffs, especially just based off of it not being black.
Copyright law as it stands is pretty terrible as it does nothing for small companies and is costly, and actually holds back innovation when a large company holds a patent. It also does nothing to stop Chinese companies.
@@lllllllllllillllllll I agree, however I think people are better off buying different fans all together.
Noctua is overpriced but shouldn't buy thermaltakes stolen goods.
Scythe just release the wondersnail.
The arctic p12 and p14 are great.
Those brown and beige colours are just so awesome.
The brown color always made me think of the idea of "race spec", where color doesn't matter much, but function and visibility are important. I always use the beige fans. They work well and an extra $40-50 over an entire build is hardly worth mentioning.
@@mikeycrackson its their brand design
It may be an imposter but it looks so good.
the TT fan frame looks cheap and dumb, too many angles for no reason.
But it isn't a copy though, both the Noctua A12X25 and Toughfan 12 are based on the Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoon, released in 2008 www.nidec-servo.com/en/digital/pdf/D1225C.pdf
There have been made multiple copies of the design other than Noctua and Thermaltake, for example, the XPG Vento Pro, which was a licensed design, and more recently the Scythe Wonder Snail 120. So no, Thermaltake didn't copy the A12X25, they all take inspiration from the same fan released in 2008, and actually don't even perform any better (see link at bottom), which is pretty sad considering that that was 13 years ago.
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@@swecreations I found Thermaltake's lawyer. No, the Toughfan 12 is a copy of the Noctua A12x25.
@@jon4715 He does have a point. If Noctua wasn't the first to have that basic design, they have less to complain about.
@@dtester I agree they have less to complain about, but Thermaltake isn't producing their own version of the GentleTyphoon, they are producing a copy of the NF-A12, sterrox-style plastic included.
That whole time I was thinking you must have watched This vs. That. When you said you were a hoonigan fan I was extremely happy 😂
you dont need a dremel to remove the blades... jebus..
just grab something to support the hub center where the hole is and press down on the blades hard and it comes off.
you could put them back on later. i've done it with absolutely Zero damage to the hub. i tend to mess stuff up instead of making it better but surprisingly didn't.
upvote this so he reads it.
Everyone since noctua fans existed: Beige and brown ugly, make them black
Noctua: UGH fiiiiiiine we'll do it but we'll take several years to release it and it'll be more expensive than our already fairly expensive fans.
Someone else: I'll do it right now, and cheaper.
Noctua: wait that's illegal!
Noctua may still be more reliable / last longer.
From the motor/hub assembly it would certainly appear that thermaltake has used cheaper components.
Thermaltake isn't known for making reliable components.
I've learned that the TT toughfan is not reliable by any means. I have gone through 4 sets of 120 and 140 all under 30 days and failed. TT was useless for warranty, but it was still under 30 days so back to b Amazon each time. In total 9 fans used in 90 days and not one lasted for even 15 days under daily pc use of 8 to 12 hours of work.
I really like that paper test you did there. I think you should include it in the future. thanks for a great video
The review we have all been waiting for.
the black version of the NF-A12x25 is scheduled for Q3 2021, they have it on their website
Scrolled way too far to see this. They also have white fans scheduled
They had them scheduled for 2019, then 2020, now 2021...
What about variance? would be interesting to see the stats on three random A12x25's.
This. Also I'd be keen to see longevity testing too.
Back when I was in high school, our drafting class had a desktop cnc mill and we played with making epoxy molds and small plastic parts. One thing that became really obvious is that the color pigments would greatly affect the end part. For example red would setup in 10 min and the part would be very hard almost brittle using the same epoxy but blue dye instead of red would take 3-4 hrs to set and the part would almost be rubbery. I'm sure that it has become less of a problem with modern advancements but I'm sure it still has some affect.
I have the Toughfan 14 in my ITX build and they have been great performance wise. I think that it is valid for Thermaltake to take advantage for a demand in the market a Black A12 version. They saw a potential and went for it. Also, while from afar they might look similar, there are enough differences physically, motor wise and even the formula for the CLP is different. Maybe Noctua can simply learn from this.
Considering Thermalfake's reputation I'd still take the Noctua. Highly doubt the material matches. Even if it did, the price drop makes me wonder about longevity comparisons.
The price difference is likely because RnD is usually very expensive, and almost free for TT. For me it's more about ethics than quality of the product
But it isn't a copy though, both the Noctua A12X25 and Toughfan 12 are based on the Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoon, released in 2008 www.nidec-servo.com/en/digital/pdf/D1225C.pdf
There have been made multiple copies of the design other than Noctua and Thermaltake, for example, the XPG Vento Pro, which was a licensed design, and more recently the Scythe Wonder Snail 120. So no, Thermaltake didn't copy the A12X25, they all take inspiration from the same fan released in 2008, and actually don't even perform any better (see link at bottom), which is pretty sad considering that that was 13 years ago.
ua-cam.com/video/QwftVMGPOiI/v-deo.html
What does each fan weigh?
Noctua's are very slightly heavier. Just enough to feel if you have one in each hand. I think that's because Noctua use a slightly better motor with more gubbins.
Perfect This vs that intro :P love it haha. once the gpu world gets better you should do a hoonicorn inspired build!
It'd be interesting to compare both blades on the motor in the Noctua, see if the blades produce the same static pressure or if there's more to the motor specs.
@majorhardware you should get the Arctic P12 PWM. $10ea and I think it will be right up there with these.
I hope they get sued. You can't just make a blatant copy and get away with it.
they keep doing it soo idk if this will deter them
@@VivienneVoid thermaltake been stealing designs ever since there conception. China don't give a fk.
this is a load of bollocks. people have been ripping off the NH-D15 and the Hyper 212 for years.
@@GrockleTD screw thermaltake
@@GrockleTD screw thermaltake
Would love to see more fan comparisons taking popular fans on the market vs the A12x25!
Man this going to be a good “this vs that” race
I hate to say it but, Noctua's colour scheme/design has kinda grown on me.
I say that, not owning a single fan they make so...
Yeah, they are unmistakable, classy looking, off-beat, and actually look great in silver cases.
They don’t match many builds but they are definitely the the best quality fans I’ve ever used. If you value performance and longevity there’s nothing better.
You didn't get an rpm measurement? Just because they say 2000rpm on the box doesn't mean that is real world performance.
Oooh are you going to add static pressure to your fan tests?
Totally late to the party but how do either of these compare to the silentwing pro 4?
I just watched gn's thermalfake cases and this pops up 😆
But it isn't a copy though, both the Noctua A12X25 and Toughfan 12 are based on the Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoon, released in 2008 www.nidec-servo.com/en/digital/pdf/D1225C.pdf
There have been made multiple copies of the design other than Noctua and Thermaltake, for example, the XPG Vento Pro, which was a licensed design, and more recently the Scythe Wonder Snail 120. So no, Thermaltake didn't copy the A12X25, they all take inspiration from the same fan released in 2008, and actually don't even perform any better (see link at bottom), which is pretty sad considering that that was 13 years ago.
ua-cam.com/video/QwftVMGPOiI/v-deo.html
How is thermaltake able to rip off noctua? I would like to imagine that there is some type of patent with their fan.
TT allways does the same shit, for years
I don't think noctua patent their designs, but I could be wrong
@@ydihtty TT is a Taiwanese company, a patent wouldn't do noctua any good, since IIRC Taiwan wouldn't enforce it
Noctua can't patent the design because they copied a Scythe design in the first place.
@@ffwast Scythe sold the Gentle Typhoon, but it was made by Nidec, and I'm of the ones that don't think this is a copy of that, but I consider the EKWB Vardar to be instead (yeeee, even with a different amount of blades, design =/= amount)
Well said. For ordinary temperature sensors in PCs and the like an error of half a degree (combined accuracy and precision) is already pushing it, especially when taking a delta between two independent measurements. Btw you should check the RPMs and power consumption of these fans. Power is not the most interesting but knowing the RPMs tells if the fans are indeed very similar or that one does have inferior blades but makes up for it with RPMs.
Just wanna say that in the side-by-side comparison, the Noctua seems to have a much more diffused exhaust flow of smoke. The TT produces a smokescreen you can't see through.
should have tested the bio hazard and compared to see if there was any difference in the motor and/or frame.
Dude the brown and beige is a flex and a half. If you aren't buying one of the best fans on the market because it's brown and beige you have other problems to deal with
Oh my.. that bass line in the intro 😮👌
To be hobest, the only reason I refuse to use Noctua fans in my PC is the color sceme and that I fell in love with the Lian Li Unifan concept. Slotting 4 fans together and remaining with just two wires instead of 8 is like a dream for CM. Sure, there are other fans that are daisychainable by wires, but then you still have to deal with more wires.
2:23 truest statement on the internet.
The only reason Thermaltake stays in business is that they don't have to employ design or engineering teams. They just steal everyone else's product designs.
RnD at zero cost ✔️🍻🍻🍻
Steal design, make it look cooler and advertise it cooler, the Thermaltake way
They did the same with Case Labs cases.
@@Knowbody42 and Fractal Design.
Not true
Hey, it's the 2020 Racing Point and the 2019 Mercedes!
Looking for my case fans currently on stock fans. Case is Aorus c700g. Any recommendation for the front 3 fans?
To be honest: If some company makes a blatand copy from another product, i'd never buy it just because of that...
"they needed 4 years to develop this thing" right in the bin.. honor where honor is due.
Dude... They just changed the material and copied the gentle typhoon. They took years of rnd because noctua takes years of rnd for things as small as a color change.
Really Dead Guy ok I didn’t know they took the basic design but they have differences. Blade Material (Vibration) double Ball bearing vs fluid bearing and rubber feet are 3 of the differences i see from those 2. The TT one got fluid bearing, sais it‘s the same material as the noctua one and has rubber feet.. wich every fan should have by now, yes.. I mean: I can’t tell anything that’s different to the noctua one except the color. Nothing is innovated or changed technically or visually to make it a different product. I don’t jump on them, I don’t care. It‘s just my opinion and I would stick to noctua. The legal issues is noctuas business, not mine. But I understand your point nonetheless man.
@@Pleumel The only differences I saw are the hub shape, the triangle things on the blades are missing, and there's a slightly larger gap between the blades and fan frame.
But it isn't a copy though, both the Noctua A12X25 and Toughfan 12 are based on the Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoon, released in 2008 www.nidec-servo.com/en/digital/pdf/D1225C.pdf
There have been made multiple copies of the design other than Noctua and Thermaltake, for example, the XPG Vento Pro, which was a licensed design, and more recently the Scythe Wonder Snail 120. So no, Thermaltake didn't copy the A12X25, they all take inspiration from the same fan released in 2008, and actually don't even perform any better (see link at bottom), which is pretty sad considering that that was 13 years ago.
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ThermalSteal back at it again I see.
But it isn't a copy though, both the Noctua A12X25 and Toughfan 12 are based on the Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoon, released in 2008 www.nidec-servo.com/en/digital/pdf/D1225C.pdf
There have been made multiple copies of the design other than Noctua and Thermaltake, for example, the XPG Vento Pro, which was a licensed design, and more recently the Scythe Wonder Snail 120. So no, Thermaltake didn't copy the A12X25, they all take inspiration from the same fan released in 2008, and actually don't even perform any better (see link at bottom), which is pretty sad considering that that was 13 years ago.
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I'm using these toughfan 12s they have been good and quiet. Out of 4 units I have one that appears to have a noisy motor. But there so cheap its been worth it.
They have a high speed version but I have yet to see any reviews on them.
I've been waiting for the noctua chromax for so long, then last night I saw the TT fans for 16 dollars each on Amazon, it was a no brainer lol
Noctua: making black paint is hard reeeeeeee
Thermaltake: hold my beer
Tt is surprisingly sound so much harsher at the same db measurement, I guess it due to little texture on the blades
The moment I hear the outro it reminds me of journey across Japan
I can't speak for TT, but my experience with Noctua fans is excellent, I have a fan in my system that's been running for 8 years without any problems. Also, their customer service is the best I've ever encountered. They sent me a mounting kit for my cooler free of charge within days.
33€ is my cheapest find in Ebay Germany for the TT .. At this Price i rather pick a Noctua for 31€ ?!
Arctic P12 - 10€, hat pwm pass through und den gibt es auch als RGB Variante. In Tests ist der sehr ähnlich zum noctua und kostet deutlich weniger.
@@fynnstechkanal OK, dachte nicht das da ein 10€ Lüfter rankommt. Vielen Dank
@@fynnstechkanal und bei 1000RPM gibt es einen extrem nervigen Resonanz-Sound. Habe deswegen meine P12 und P14 rumliegen und nicht mehr in der Benutzung.
@@Minkafighter Okay hab ich so noch nicht erlebt, aber dann kann man die Geschwindigkeit ja auch auf 1100RPM setzen
The color doesn’t concern me as much as that outrageous price, I would 100% get the Thermal Take fans as long as the performance is close. I currently have a bunch of Corsair ML series fans, and have been very happy with their performance.
Whats the outro song? Hear it often and would like to know.
This video is really helpful! 12/10!
Scythe did it first,these designs are just copies of the gentle typhoon,noctua didn't come up with it at all.
exactly, the "father" is Scythe
after what thermaltake did to caselabs I'm never buying any of their products.
what did thermal take do to case labs
@@oscarpeters5309 Attempted to steal their designs (at the expo they revealed them), and then just laughed at them when they wouldn't let them inspect the case and said they'd just steal it once it came to market.
@@oscarpeters5309 Also, the story ended with caselabs closing cause they couldn't compete (price whise) with the inferior TT copycats
@@YOEL_44 also caselabs was full thick aluminum, which is very expensive
@@Dirtyz1234 also caselabs had to apologize to thermaltake lol
Having thought about the static pressure thing a bit I think it could be interesting to test the total airflow using a test rig with two configurations. The rig could be quite simple consisting of a fan mount, a box behind the fan with a anemometer, preferably a vane type and rather large diameter, at the outlet from the box. This would measure the airspeed and total volume of air moved. Put a 120mm radiator behind the fan and you get a standardized and pretty typical obstruction in a computer cooling situation. Measure with and without the obstruction to see how the fans performance changes depending on how obstructed it is. Perhaps also test with the obstruction on the intake side of the fan to see how that influences the airflow and noise.
Despite the colour scheme of the Nactua one, I'd be more inclined to choose it over the Thermaltake version, purely because Noctua has a better track record of longevity in their products (at least from my experience). So I'd wager the long-term quality would be better on the Noctua, even if the colour of the Thermaltake is more pleasing to the eye.
I personally dislike thermalfake ever since caselabs went under
And yet Noctua copied the Scythe Gentle Typhoon which came out around 2013-2014 if I remember correctly.
My Noctua NH-U12A came with a pair of A12x25 ran it for a few weeks couldn't stand the poo brown. I quickly switch them out with a pair of CM MasterFan SF120M. They also have the same style of blade design minus 2 blades and with a ring around them. CM spec claim fan pressure is at 2.40 mmH2O on high settings. I will change them to SF120 ARGB when they come out this year. Love Noctua but IMHO they're behind with the times.
i think swapping the HUB you mount fans on at this point would change the outcome of the next batches, especially if it doesn't have as much power as the Noctura one (as seen in the paper test) .
hows the bearings? does it start to make shitty whine at certain rpms or age?
Big fan of this channel
what im hearing is thermaltake realized noctua is dumb af for not releasing a black fan after people complained for literal years so they capitalized and now noctua is crying lmfao
Thermalfake have been copycatting for years now. They would have made it even if noctua made them in black
@@mrle0719 and if noctua made them in black, ppl would have bought noctua.
And it isn't even a copy, both the Noctua A12X25 and Toughfan 12 are based on the Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoon, released in 2008 www.nidec-servo.com/en/digital/pdf/D1225C.pdf
There have been made multiple copies of the design other than Noctua and Thermaltake, for example, the XPG Vento Pro, which was a licensed design, and more recently the Scythe Wonder Snail 120. So no, Thermaltake didn't copy the A12X25, they all take inspiration from the same fan released in 2008, and actually don't even perform any better (see link at bottom), which is pretty sad considering that that was 13 years ago.
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for the next season of the fan show down i would like to see the noise and the power consumption added into the the points for the billboard so not just the cooling performance is the only factor that matters. it could lead to more innovative fan concepts.
What is your opinion about the Arctic P12 and P14 fans? I have those right now...quite happy with them and really cheap 😁
The Thermaltake has a definite droning sound to it that is not pleasant.
This is widely reported by users and noticeable in this video. The sound signature is quite different. Maybe that is caused by a sub-par motor?
ThermalFake strikes again!
I'm gonna go buy a couple of Noctua fans right now just to spite the thieves 🤣
or maybe noctua should have made it black from the begining
But it isn't a copy though, both the Noctua A12X25 and Toughfan 12 are based on the Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoon, released in 2008 www.nidec-servo.com/en/digital/pdf/D1225C.pdf
There have been made multiple copies of the design other than Noctua and Thermaltake, for example, the XPG Vento Pro, which was a licensed design, and more recently the Scythe Wonder Snail 120. So no, Thermaltake didn't copy the A12X25, they all take inspiration from the same fan released in 2008, and actually don't even perform any better (see link at bottom), which is pretty sad considering that that was 13 years ago.
ua-cam.com/video/QwftVMGPOiI/v-deo.html
Btw, Noctua never paid Nidec for the design.
One reason to pick the noctua is if you have several fans connected to one fan header.
TT is a 0.7amp not and the noctua 0.14.
Fan headers are usually 1amp, so you could potentially put 7 noctua fans on one header (might be overdoing it abit)
But only a single TT fan. Which would also exclude it on a dual fan CPU cooler set-up.
Odd, thermaltake's website says 0.12A rated current.
The bast majority of fans don't consume more than 0.2 amps...
Ah the This Or That intro... I see you’re a man of culture as well
thermaltake just doing what they do best 😂
At least this time their target kinda had it coming, Noctua always drags their heels as if they are bitter the world doesn't want brown and beige computers. First thing I did when I got my U12a was replace they fans with Vardar RGB to match my white scheme, and they perform 96% as well which is good enough to stand looking at my build. Also they are not unreliable crap like older Vardars for some reason.
But it isn't a copy though, both the Noctua A12X25 and Toughfan 12 are based on the Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoon, released in 2008 www.nidec-servo.com/en/digital/pdf/D1225C.pdf
There have been made multiple copies of the design other than Noctua and Thermaltake, for example, the XPG Vento Pro, which was a licensed design, and more recently the Scythe Wonder Snail 120. So no, Thermaltake didn't copy the A12X25, they all take inspiration from the same fan released in 2008, and actually don't even perform any better (see link at bottom), which is pretty sad considering that that was 13 years ago.
ua-cam.com/video/QwftVMGPOiI/v-deo.html
Noctua shouldn't sue them, we asked this for quite a long time for a black version of it. They simply didn't meet the demand, but a different company was able to make the same thing but meet the demand the people wanted. Honestly, it seems like Noctua was just making excuses for not making it the color we wanted.
There are slight differences the angle of the noctua is little bit steeper and the gap smaller, also no notches on the thermaltake copy. The quality seems bit better and slightly better performance. But would you support a knockoff for a better price performance?
I don't have either, but I really like noctua for going with the non-black while still keeping it low key. There is already enough monochrome (and rainbow-barf) in computing.
noctua did it to themselves, over charged and forced a shitty color scheme everyone complained about
All this smack talk when BOTH fans are NIDEC fan copies.. SMH
There’s also the wonder snail 120 from Scythe looking pretty similar. Wonder how it stacks up with these.
I wonder when it comes out. meanwhile i hear this song :_: ua-cam.com/video/Va0vs1fhhNI/v-deo.html
I am crazy but I like my brown d15 fans from Nocua, it doesn't seem to change the video output color from my video card so all good.