Between a ton of people being locked out of the game and half the players still playing against bugs. There was no way that 2 billion kills was possible.
We were on track early (just barely) on but with the holiday weekend the numbers definitely started lagging. Early on we were getting 10% every 12 hours then it dropped off on the weekend
Yeah, it’s literally ridiculous. That over half the community is scared to death of fighting bots. It’s actually caused me to kind of turn against the bugs and only five bucks because it pisses me off but whatever.
The SteamDB charts dont really reflect this at all. On PC its still hovering right around the 10th most played game on the platform and its basically just following the slow player number degrade almost every game goes through. Also this weekend was Mothers Day weekend so a lot of normal players probably weren't at their systems.
It's optional though. People don't have to do it, so that shouldn't affect the numbers. Although people choosing to not play bc of the initial backlash is understandable
@@aaronsmith9855you're a week behind on the news, I think. PSN isn't required but the game is still unavailable in countries that don't have PSN (which is a majority of them)
@@SephzillaDZXyup all this drama is bogus.. player base and sales show differently.. All my streamer friends who are posting helldivers is dead.. sony evil... they all still play the game.. I like the game and I am gunna play it!
There were a few factors that made killing the bots harder than killing the bugs: 1. They fixed the double counting, so our progress was cut in half (or more!), 2. Much fewer people play bots* (for many reasons, including balance), 3. Fewer bots spawn on the same difficulty compared to bugs. 4. Much lower player count due to controversy, balance, Mother's Day weekend, et cetera. All of these cut our progress in half or more compared to Terminids. This was already going to be multiple times harder than the bug one, but I'd wished more than half the players were fighting bots. Not that I don't understand, though; rocket and heavy devastators are super annoying. * Edit because I swapped bots and bugs. Also, if you think bots are easier, I understand; bugs can suck. But they feel more counterable (except hunters are still annoying) and have fewer ragdolls, which is what annoys me most.
Idk about you, but bots are infintely easier to fight than bugs for me. Even when there are swarms of bots, I prefer the endless lightshow to the swarm of rabid aliens literally tongue flicking my ass every second, on top of the armoured bull and oversized stick bug.
@@DrayhgoGetting high kill numbers is far easier with bugs. Even the easiest maps spawn dozens if not hundreds of the little mites, which die quickly to a Rover. Bug tunnels spawn dozens of weaker enemies in tight groups which can only rush forward into crowd killers like flamethrowers and mines. Terminid flyers can die for a single shotgun pellet, while Automaton gunships need support weapons. Thing is, 2 billion in a few days is nearly impossible against Bots. The Creek reminds us why.
@@DrayhgoBugs for me are easier because there's less 1 shots. Generally if you get 1 shot against bugs you weren't looking for stalkers or your positioning was bad (granted I've turned a corner to immediately die to a spewer) and the bug heavies are easier to kite until you can deal with them. Running jar 5, gp, laser rover and quasar there's nothing I'm unable to deal with for bugs. I use a completely different bot loadout and rocket/ heavy devastators just have scary accuracy sometimes and lead to many 1 shots. I definitely wince when I see half the players not running mo's though. I don't have a preferred faction, I run whatever is needed to clear the mo. Bugs to me are comfortable to fight on t8-9 but bots feel more difficult on t7
Just finished playing. I'm very fine with bots and like what they have to offer but just discovered a bug on some major assets defense maps : the factory striders can be dropped behind you, just before the last door. And if it werent already painful it can easilty destroy the generator with it's upper canon from here. Happend in 2 difficulty 7 missions and we lost both because of it.
People need to remember that the first game had a whole war that was fun for the community. The peak player count of thw first game was about 8k. The amount of players even down is orders of magnitude higher around 300k.
Guys we need 38 million kills an hour to be on pace, that sounds bad but we've done more with less I do wish they'd count bigger bots for more kills to reward higher difficulties
Yeah, the purpose of the major order is to reclaim the metal that was used to create war machines They couldve made killing factory striders count as 200 or something
At the time this video dropped it was roughly 4,000 bots per person, within 14 hours, and assuming 100% of the playerbase was playing automatons. Ridiculous numbers.
@@FunhausRyan Some other YT channel made the calculations at the start of the MO that every 4-man team would need to kill around 500 bots per 30-minute mission coming to 1000 bots per hour (going to around 1.500 bots /hr if only Eradicate missions cus higher density and faster turn around), which is doable and would have put us easily enough above the 2 Billion. Still, he had counted something like 110.000 Helldivers doing it near non-stop which didn't pan out as at times during it there were only 76k Divers and 40k+ were doing Bugs.
100% correct on the warbond releasing in the state it has been monthly. That is what has caused me to put this down for a little break at the moment. Can't look forward to those monthly drops if the stats of the items in them are trash.
Calm your tits, warbonds may start weak, but they do buff. The pistols are a perfect example, they just buffed the dagger n senator and they're now really good, it's called balancing, and if you don't like it, don't play live service😂
I actually fully expected them to say the counter wasn't tracking correctly, that way they could guarantee we win even if we didn't actually do it. We would never have any way of knowing if they simply made kills worth 1.5 or something.
Funny thing is bigger Emily count as multiple and not as individual eg a bile titan counts as 8 Emily kills while a scavenger counts as1 that’s why we did the bugs so fast
Not only that but they'd be kinda shooting themselves in the foot monetarily too since they have earnable currency. If they take a month off or make one Warbond every two months, a lot of people will have the opportunity to save up a lot more SC in the meantime. That would mean less people need to buy SC with real money which means less income for AH/PS. Obviously they had a nice load of cash from the launch but ongoing income is important for live service so it could hurt them in the long run.
@@Fatlumpthe1st they know that but as the first guy mentioned, its an obligation, even the guys on discord said theyd prefer not to do this monthly stuff.
A consumer report around February 24th showed that the PC community makes up 60% of all helldivers. I wouldn't call that a small portion of the player base.
@@mix7893 there's still over 100,000 concurrent players on steam. I'm not sure what the math is on that I don't know how many total players you need to maintain 100,000 concurrent but I'm sure it's a lot. But I get what the sentiment is Sony's really trying to make that not the case.
@@mf_foxy I can believe that there was once a majority of Helldivers on Steam. But needless to say, after this region locking fiasco, I am now in doubt.
Would like to say I spent three hours trying to farm bots and had multiple defense missions either not complete properly because of a glitch or get BTFO’d by mountain climbing Hulks and Berserkers
Let’s be honest, as much As I love helldivers 2 What Sony did really fucked this game name up and people are obviously having a hard time coming back even with working for a new stratagem. After literally being told f*** you and ripping a game away from so many people,sorry you can’t play but here’s a new stratagem
Exactly, I tried refunding the game multiple times because guess what arrowhead chose to have Sony publish the game. Their are plenty of other publishers but now they are getting what they deserve. Also i got my entire game refunded thanks to Steam.
It’s not arrowheads fault it’s Sony the ceo is trying to get it solved and get the games back on steam inshallah it goes back on steam in the banned countries Ameen
@Le_fish0 the only reason Sony is involved is because of Arrowhead chosing them as the publisher. So it is their fault for making that huge decision. Look at the damage it has caused
@@ClevTrev7if you are a tiny developer and Sony comes knocking with a bag of cash you better grab it with both hands and legs. Yes there are many publisher out there but this is Sony you are talking about here
@@Le_fish0 I’m aware it isn’t arrowheads fault just soooo shitty seeing people still unable to play the game even after Sony Overturned the decision. Some people around the world still can’t even purchase it still
We're way behind because of the terrible bot ballancing, retrieing essential personnel missions are impossible to complete so everyone goes to dispense freedom on the bug front
Well said, Automatons are way fewer and harder to kill than the Bugs, then we have the same amount to kill, I would understand 1.2 Billion, but it should´ve been obvious that 2 Billion is practically undoable. However I think it will just delay the anti tank mines 1 or 2 weeks.
They are not impossible. Difficult. But not impossible. If people would actually mic up and TALK to each other, you know, COORDINATE their efforts, shit would go alot smoother.
I hope this failure makes the devs realize just how terribly balanced the Automatons are to fight compared to the bugs. Anybody who says they're about even are lying and clearly haven't been railed by 7 patrols, 5 hulks, 3 tanks, 2 cannon turrets, and 4 walkers all of which can shoot at you from extremely long range and have weapons that can instantly kill you. Meanwhile sure the bugs can swarm you, but you have a chance to tear their swarms apart whereas the bots force you into cover or else you'll be torn apart by rocket devastators and heavy devastators or any other unit
They're a rigged enemy. Their planets are miserable. I can literally almost fall asleep fighting bugs on 9 but against bots on 7 I am gritting my teeth pissed off every time. I'm tired boss. Taking a break until they manage to make this shit make sense.
Bots are more fun to fight, The balancing isn't the problem. The bots are easier to deal with when I go solo than when I have allies, The problem lies in the player base. The other day I had two allies each call 500 kg bombs on a factory strider, and they both missed and blinded the hell out of me which caused me to delay my advance. I killed it with orbital precision strike, but I died because my advance was delayed. And that about sums up the problem with the player base against bots. You need speed and precision, you can't just take a big damaging high armor penetration weapon and just expect things to work just because you can shoot a devastator in the chest. I've been using the tenderizer and I can pick them off left and right without any other bots noticing, so I can get in a good position to throw the stratagem that's going to do some work. You've got to have some kind of situational awareness, you should have some kind of plan that extends beyond run and shoot...
I think they should implement a research and development planet such as Mars I know we can't have every player trying to test things. Maybe they can randomly select people who are on ship or logging in and give them the option to test on the planet and leave feedback or play test whatever Arrowhead has left on the planet to try similar to what they did with the mechs at first on Tien Quan. Who knows It can even build hype and excitement for certain weapons / Stratagems that are soon to come from super earths greatest r&d researchers but I think Mars or another planet can work in game as a test planet lore wise. Think of it as having to serve jury duty. It's not often you'll get selected but when you do you better accept lol. Maybe it may alleviate some constraints with playtesting I don't know how to fix every problem with the game I just love it and want it to do good.
Gonna be honest, stiffing solo play so hard by nerfing the swiss army knife that is the Eruptor while more or less quadrupling enemies killed it for me. It wasn't just the Eruptor of course. Everything feels rough now in general. Hopefully the CEO is successful in steering us back towards the fun side of things. And it doesnt help that they did all this right before diablo 4 drops their loot rework.
Personally for me I refuse to touch the game until balance changes are made. Not sure how many are in the same boat but perhaps that is a contributing factor to why the MO failed.
They’ve been pumping out content. They have to be exhausted by now. Sony needs to work on funneling in their most talented devs to work on this game. That would help a lot.
@@killswitch432 Yet I guarantee you are the same person who would go on a crusade about how "it did better than a triple A company!", only to use this as an excuse. It doesn't matter if it isn't a triple A company FOR GODS SAKE they are partners with SONY. They have more than enough budget and resources from the game selling to be hiring new talents and or patching fatal crashes. There's no reason this should be happening on any game whatsoever.
@ThePepperedMelon yes I am like that. If you knew how hard it was to do what they do, you'd think the same thing. There's guys are just people like us. People forget that and expect way too much from game developers nowadays. This game shits on pretty much every triple game at the moment, and yet it still gets torn apart. And just because they have Sony doesn't mean shit. Sony is the reason why shit is going downhill for helldivers. Who's ever dumb fucken stupid idea to make people have a PSN account is absolutely retarded. If you want to blame someone, blame that scum company.
Yes they have been selling enough copies. They should be comfortable where they are at and be able to hire new devs and get more resources. I think they are just lazy because look at the warbonds. All of the items are basically reskins. With an occasional good weapon that will probably get nerfed in the next week when they should be fixing the bugs that have been in the game since launch. It just seems lazy to me
Keep in mind that Sony has NOT released the game again for the 150 plus countries. At the moment they stand to be manipulating us to fix the reviews for the game while they keep it the same
Oh trust me, everyone has been complaining about that since it happened. It was an awful nerf by one of the laziest devs in the industry, who some how manged to become the balence dev, and is now responsible for the main problem with the content of the game, balencing being completely busted and squed towards being unfun
Oh, I totally agree that they should put it back to its original state. Hopefully the CEO will get Alexis to remember that the game is supposed to be FUN.
The Major Order is a bit odd and, Arrowhead fixed the bug from the previous version that counted kills incorrectly. But they should also know that 30%-45% of the population does not leave bug planets, so why did we get the same two trillion kill order? At best I see a reasonable goal being 1.7-1.8 trillion, but it feels like AH just ignores known trends by the community.
I don't get this need for new content constantly. All I want for them is to unfuck the weapon balancing so that it's like it was early on, where you felt like you were at a buffet and everything looks good. Right now only a handful of weapons are really viable, and even worse than that many others just aren't fun at all. I'd rather they fix that and get rid of the damn bugs then get a new war bond for the next 4 months
The scope thing, is not a bug. You should adjust your scope distance to compensate the gap between your scope and gun barrel. They went realistic there.
Of the 20+ friends I made in this game only 4 have logged in to dive in the last couple weeks and usually just to do their Personal Order. I pretty much do the same. Pop in to get my 15 Medals and call it a day.
Someone already pointed this out on Reddit. When it is a terminid related MO, those on bot-front would flock to the terminid side to help. But when it was bot related MO, not that many people would come and help from the bug-front...
This major order is pretty tough. My average kills against the bots are about 100-200 per game. My average kills against the bugs are 400-700 per game.
4:57 as far as account linking goes, I was planning on getting this on Steam later. I have it on PS5 and would like to play on Steam whenever I get the chance. I was also waiting to get the Super Citizen upgrade when I did that. Now with all the controversy I might be waiting to see how things progress. If they keep self sabotaging I will reconsider. Before I thought it would be a good buy, not sure now. I’m hoping they turn it around I didn’t realize cross-progression wasn’t part of the PSN linking. So until the it would be pointless
Sadly, my friends and I have dropped Helldivers 2 for the time being. Too many bugs that need fixing, the game balance is off, and the warbonds are not worth the effort we are putting in to unlock.
Need more content and stop removing the fun out of it. Get very annoying to kill a chicken if I have to go around it while there 10 rocket flying all around me. It just not worth the time we get nerf and they buff everytime we find a easier way to kill them.
No seriously I wish there was more content for warbonds and the cost of medals just to get one weapon that isn’t even good like cmon man grinding for nothing
At this trend I can see about 10% of the population ever attempting illuminate, if the balancing stays bad and players prefer "easier" enemies/missions... we may aswell just surrender to them now to avoid a righteous doggin
Hello there ! thnaks for sharing so much intel about what's going on for HD2 ! I'd like to ask if you ever heard about some futur patch that could cancel the ammo nerf or the shrapnel nerf of the Eruptor, because it has became pretty much useless since the shrapnel was removed. Thks again !
What I don't get as a steam player is if steam is a small part of helldivers2 player base and they sold 12 million copies hows there barly 120,000 active players or not enough players to compete the major orders
It's an average.. people pop on and off but the average is 120 thousand an hour. Steam is smaller than ps5 because it is a playstation platform exclusive
People locked out cause its still blocked in like 180 countries, players who bought it and just didn't vibe with it and never logged back in, and time zones are a thing. When you're on, there are people logging off or sleeping and haven't logged in yet. 12 million players are spread across the world, and we can't all be logged in at once. I have a job, wife, family, and friends to deal with. Bots are also harder to kill than bugs, so thats also a contributing factor.
Fastest selling and now lost 40% of player base since the PSN linking issue, crappy War bond, and cutting out 170+ countries. I love this game but it is slipping and I hope AH, PSN, and Steam come together for everyones benefit.
If enough people drop on level 7-8 with sentries and the HMG to focus on dismantling enemies it should be possible. I find rushing the obj and then getting the bots to reinforce for more to dismantle is more engaging than spamming orbitals on the smaller maps
I believe how it was, was me and 3 people got 40 kills each they would add that (160) and multiply it by the number of players giving us 640 kills per full team run. Im not surprised at the drastic difference, we were stomping out bugs like they wouldn't mind their business. However, it could be bugged like before just in the opposite manner
The game is in a bit of a rough patch, but I think it'll push through. Talk on changes to weapon rebalances to focus more on buffs, the illuminate, vehicles, I think there are several things players want that are just in the works at the moment. Also people are still coming down from their Sony outrage, which might last as long as those countries are blocked... But that's being discussed too. I'm still having fun though, it's just not my only game
Hate me if you want, but when I see major orders that appear impossible, I just don't participate. I know it's not ideal, but I'm sure a bunch of others in the community feel the same. They need to seem achievable to keep the player base engaged.
News flash....people have to deal with something called reality. It gets in the way a lot of the time. Every order, whether it be major or not, is not always going to get done.
I mean if they’re going to rig the war map regardless of MO’s it doesn’t matter, we won the bot planet defense MO yet the bots ended up with more planets than they had before, so who cares, just play for fun
Strategem: *call down a heavy tank would be cool * call down AI pelican that stays down at a period of time to blast everything *call down vehicle for you and your team *call in mini gun * call in some sort of AI juggernaut. Idk I’m just throwing shit out XD
Why play against an unbalanced foe. No one will play vs them when it feels like a job. Terminids are actually fun to fight vs the heavy devastator spam and unreasonably tough double chainsaw dudes.
@@ArbitertacoI didnt know being constantly swarmed by what feels like a thousand hunters and chargers was "fun". Id take a patrol of heavy devastators over any of those bugs anyday
The Warbonds could be a single page every 2-4 weeks, as long as the stuff is up to the level it needs to be to be viable with the current state of the game.
I’m one of those people who doesn’t like fighting the bots. I use to do the major orders as they came, but the recent abundance of bot orders pushed me further away from them. I’ll do a couple bot missions, but that’s about it. The weapons are way too weak in comparison to the damage the bots do. You can argue skill all you want, but being swarmed by masses that all require precision shoots because the weapons are bad, but they can one shot me from across map isn’t fun to me.
I think the lack of major order progress is mostly coming from them "fixing" how kills are counted towards it. if they expected to keep scoring the same after over 100 countries getting denied access and lower the registered kills, it just doesnt work like that.
The balance lead at their studio needs to be fired from position and put somewhere else that they don't have direct decision making power on this title. The current balance lead is the same person who absolutely ran Hello Neighbor 2 into the ground with anti-player balance changes constantly, to the point that they successfully drove the player base away completely by making them hate the game. They have a massive ego, cannot listen to community feedback, they do not play the game they balance, and follow a child's mindset of, "PLAY MY WAY, OR NOT AT ALL" If an item or a gun feels good to use, you know immediately that it will be crippled in two weeks and then brought to a state of dysfunction where it's no better than a sidearm, or is worse. This game will completely die and drive the players away if they don't fire the guy.
I think worrying about the moving of front lines, and the course of the galactic campaign isn't needed, they'll adjust things accordingly, they aren't gonna make super earth get wiped out, attacked maybe, wiped out probably not.
tbh with how low player counts has been, destroying super earth and making a new campaign to get revenge would be perfect to have thousands of people come back for democracy
@theradtoast1159 naw some of us have real life principles and will never be playing the game again. Hopefully the refunds will start to make them realize how much they fucked up.
the 1st game had campaigns were we won against all factions or lost SUPEREARTH... I have no idea why the devs are so adamant about it and just keep rigging MOs
I don’t blame players for avoiding the automaton front. It’s not fun being stun locked in the middle of the stim animation and then getting swarmed by berserkers or nuked by rockets and tanks.
Really wish theyd fix the pelican getting stuck/broken on landing if a bile titan is near the landing zone or an airstrike hits it. Running and crawling around in it until i fail the match is not a fun gameplay mechanic
The nerfs finally got to me man. It's so frustrating coming home from work to try and get some Ws with a weapon I've mastered just to realize I have to completely change my playstyle. I'm over it.
Players need to be given access back to Helldivers2 in all regions, and then once everyone can play again, they need to release the squids. A new enemy would really bolster engagement and bolster moral.
ngl even the personal mission is hard due to how many bugs/disconnects there are and i have no interest of running difficulty 1 solo three separate times
The reason why Arrowhead has to release a new warbond every single month is a contractual obligation they have with the publishing deal with Sony. Its a bit of a shitty practice aimed to generate the maximum amount of short term revenue from games that are not expected to have great sales or a long lifespan but it is also pretty standard in the industry. Since Arrowhead had no idea the game would blow up like a 500kg server bomb, they had only Helldivers 1 to go off in terms of success predictions which peaked at 10K CCU.
I feel like we really did lose a lot of divers after the PSN account linking patch (which got scrapped thankfully) but yeah - its sad thats prolly the reason we wont get anti tank mines cause so many uninstalled the game etc
Imagine how many more players they COULD have had if they could still sell in alllllll those countries that they restricted after not requiring the PSN account.
The issue is people are burnt out , bored, and or just dont like fighting the bots seeing as they have issues where they can shoot through cover and overall be an annoying rather than fun pain in the ass. It's unfortunate that this major order came out after the disappointing warbond further killing players drive even for a new stratagem. I'm hoping that the new balance update will breath some life into the game and further elevate for future updates. In all honesty they should have waited till they cleaned up some issues before they dropped a major order like this smh if the anti tank mines are just gone.
Test servers are useless in this scenario. That's for ironing out weird interactions, not for finding obvious bugs on paper, which is the vast majority of what we get.
i kinda think a test server (depending on how they implement it) could be harmful for the game just because a core element of gameplay and the story is centered around player count. could create a divide between players in the community being upset at each other for not contributing to orders like we already see with people getting angry about bug players not switching over to bots and vise versa. i'm sure there are ways to put it in without this issue but we shall see!
I think main issue is the Automatons just aren’t fun to fight against. Especially to play them enough to kill 2 BILLION. After one full set of missions I’m tired of the bots and that’s not even on helldive. I go play terminids on helldive for FUN
We are the majority of the helldivers on PC. PS is at BEST 40% or 20% at least at any given time. The active player counts can confirm that when compairing active steam users on helldivers vs what in game says are overall active. Remove what steam says is online, and that is your Playstation count.
No wonder player numbers are down if everytime someone has fun with a certain weapon or stratagem for that matter it gets nerfed becuase some guy who probably only plays difficulty 3 thinks they're too powerful. The constant nerfing surely didn't help the player count...
I’m getting tired of the nerfs. It is fun to feel powerful and as soon as you do it’s just stripped away the next week. The devs have to stop taking the ‘fun’ elements out of the game. This is not PVP.
Wonder of those 12 Million sales how much were from countries that supposedly shouldn't have had it in the first place. And I wonder if this counts the refunds that were not re-purchased.
This major order confirms to me that a good portion of the playerbase dont play bots and will never have the skill to fight them. These are the people complaining every change and they cant pass level 7 bug missions.
Between a ton of people being locked out of the game and half the players still playing against bugs. There was no way that 2 billion kills was possible.
We were on track early (just barely) on but with the holiday weekend the numbers definitely started lagging. Early on we were getting 10% every 12 hours then it dropped off on the weekend
plus them fixing what had allowed us to make it last time in the first place
Yeah, it’s literally ridiculous. That over half the community is scared to death of fighting bots. It’s actually caused me to kind of turn against the bugs and only five bucks because it pisses me off but whatever.
With like 40k player fighting bots it pretty hard
They demoralized the community with the PSN shit and the recent (and not fun) patches. It should have been 1 billion.
Hardly any of my friends have been playing. Common thread is “boring weapons and lame war bonds” and “tired of nerfs.” I tend to agree.
The main head said they’ve went too hard on the nerfs; gonna listen to the community more.
Buffs should roll out soon so hopefully things turn around!
No shit the player counts are down. They essentially cut off dozens of countries worth of players.
The SteamDB charts dont really reflect this at all. On PC its still hovering right around the 10th most played game on the platform and its basically just following the slow player number degrade almost every game goes through. Also this weekend was Mothers Day weekend so a lot of normal players probably weren't at their systems.
It's optional though. People don't have to do it, so that shouldn't affect the numbers. Although people choosing to not play bc of the initial backlash is understandable
If you bought the game u can still play so it hasnt affected much
@@aaronsmith9855you're a week behind on the news, I think. PSN isn't required but the game is still unavailable in countries that don't have PSN (which is a majority of them)
@@SephzillaDZXyup all this drama is bogus.. player base and sales show differently..
All my streamer friends who are posting helldivers is dead.. sony evil... they all still play the game..
I like the game and I am gunna play it!
There were a few factors that made killing the bots harder than killing the bugs:
1. They fixed the double counting, so our progress was cut in half (or more!),
2. Much fewer people play bots* (for many reasons, including balance),
3. Fewer bots spawn on the same difficulty compared to bugs.
4. Much lower player count due to controversy, balance, Mother's Day weekend, et cetera.
All of these cut our progress in half or more compared to Terminids. This was already going to be multiple times harder than the bug one, but I'd wished more than half the players were fighting bots. Not that I don't understand, though; rocket and heavy devastators are super annoying.
* Edit because I swapped bots and bugs. Also, if you think bots are easier, I understand; bugs can suck. But they feel more counterable (except hunters are still annoying) and have fewer ragdolls, which is what annoys me most.
Idk about you, but bots are infintely easier to fight than bugs for me. Even when there are swarms of bots, I prefer the endless lightshow to the swarm of rabid aliens literally tongue flicking my ass every second, on top of the armoured bull and oversized stick bug.
@@DrayhgoGetting high kill numbers is far easier with bugs. Even the easiest maps spawn dozens if not hundreds of the little mites, which die quickly to a Rover. Bug tunnels spawn dozens of weaker enemies in tight groups which can only rush forward into crowd killers like flamethrowers and mines. Terminid flyers can die for a single shotgun pellet, while Automaton gunships need support weapons.
Thing is, 2 billion in a few days is nearly impossible against Bots. The Creek reminds us why.
@@DrayhgoBugs for me are easier because there's less 1 shots. Generally if you get 1 shot against bugs you weren't looking for stalkers or your positioning was bad (granted I've turned a corner to immediately die to a spewer) and the bug heavies are easier to kite until you can deal with them. Running jar 5, gp, laser rover and quasar there's nothing I'm unable to deal with for bugs. I use a completely different bot loadout and rocket/ heavy devastators just have scary accuracy sometimes and lead to many 1 shots. I definitely wince when I see half the players not running mo's though. I don't have a preferred faction, I run whatever is needed to clear the mo. Bugs to me are comfortable to fight on t8-9 but bots feel more difficult on t7
Just finished playing. I'm very fine with bots and like what they have to offer but just discovered a bug on some major assets defense maps : the factory striders can be dropped behind you, just before the last door. And if it werent already painful it can easilty destroy the generator with it's upper canon from here. Happend in 2 difficulty 7 missions and we lost both because of it.
@@isaacboyer2694 Im the opposite when it comes to the difficulty. I can solo helldive bots just fine, but for bugs I have to drop to atleast dif 7.
The devs forget we have jobs and school as well. I'm not going to run home to play because the order is due in 3 days.
People need to remember that the first game had a whole war that was fun for the community. The peak player count of thw first game was about 8k. The amount of players even down is orders of magnitude higher around 300k.
Guys we need 38 million kills an hour to be on pace, that sounds bad but we've done more with less
I do wish they'd count bigger bots for more kills to reward higher difficulties
Yeah, surely killing a factory strider should help the war effort more than killing a trooper
Yeah, the purpose of the major order is to reclaim the metal that was used to create war machines
They couldve made killing factory striders count as 200 or something
"That still only counts as one!"
At the time this video dropped it was roughly 4,000 bots per person, within 14 hours, and assuming 100% of the playerbase was playing automatons. Ridiculous numbers.
@@FunhausRyan Some other YT channel made the calculations at the start of the MO that every 4-man team would need to kill around 500 bots per 30-minute mission coming to 1000 bots per hour (going to around 1.500 bots /hr if only Eradicate missions cus higher density and faster turn around), which is doable and would have put us easily enough above the 2 Billion. Still, he had counted something like 110.000 Helldivers doing it near non-stop which didn't pan out as at times during it there were only 76k Divers and 40k+ were doing Bugs.
100% correct on the warbond releasing in the state it has been monthly. That is what has caused me to put this down for a little break at the moment. Can't look forward to those monthly drops if the stats of the items in them are trash.
Fair, except the warbond weapons are the best weapons in the game. I don't understand people shitting on warbond weapons.
Calm your tits, warbonds may start weak, but they do buff. The pistols are a perfect example, they just buffed the dagger n senator and they're now really good, it's called balancing, and if you don't like it, don't play live service😂
I don't allow myself to be excited about new things in this game. I don't want to like a gun like I did the eruptor and then have it yanked away.
Nerfing weapons in PvE only games like this feels so backward. Fire the game designers who make choices like this imo.
@@Vespyr_
Alexus is the reason
Remember the name
I actually fully expected them to say the counter wasn't tracking correctly, that way they could guarantee we win even if we didn't actually do it. We would never have any way of knowing if they simply made kills worth 1.5 or something.
nah it'll just be another missed MO. it doesnt make a difference.
Funny thing is bigger Emily count as multiple and not as individual eg a bile titan counts as 8 Emily kills while a scavenger counts as1 that’s why we did the bugs so fast
that would be cheap af and as some people mentioned, we dont have to win every time.
"I dont know why they need these warbonds every month." Contractual Obligations, gentlemen.
Once every couple months would be fine
Not only that but they'd be kinda shooting themselves in the foot monetarily too since they have earnable currency.
If they take a month off or make one Warbond every two months, a lot of people will have the opportunity to save up a lot more SC in the meantime. That would mean less people need to buy SC with real money which means less income for AH/PS. Obviously they had a nice load of cash from the launch but ongoing income is important for live service so it could hurt them in the long run.
@@Fatlumpthe1st they know that but as the first guy mentioned, its an obligation, even the guys on discord said theyd prefer not to do this monthly stuff.
A consumer report around February 24th showed that the PC community makes up 60% of all helldivers. I wouldn't call that a small portion of the player base.
Not anymore 😢
@@mix7893 there's still over 100,000 concurrent players on steam. I'm not sure what the math is on that I don't know how many total players you need to maintain 100,000 concurrent but I'm sure it's a lot.
But I get what the sentiment is Sony's really trying to make that not the case.
@@mf_foxy I can believe that there was once a majority of Helldivers on Steam. But needless to say, after this region locking fiasco, I am now in doubt.
That was forever ago and were they counting active players or just game sales?
So 12 million copies sold but PC has 60% of all Helldivers with 100,000 daily users? That doesn't add up.
Would like to say I spent three hours trying to farm bots and had multiple defense missions either not complete properly because of a glitch or get BTFO’d by mountain climbing Hulks and Berserkers
Defense missions are not optimal for farming, they take 3x as long as eradication, with similar kill counts
i got fucked multiple times cuz i just randomly popped back on my ship during a mission, like hello?
Let’s be honest, as much As I love helldivers 2
What Sony did really fucked this game name up and people are obviously having a hard time coming back even with working for a new stratagem.
After literally being told f*** you and ripping a game away from so many people,sorry you can’t play but here’s a new stratagem
Exactly, I tried refunding the game multiple times because guess what arrowhead chose to have Sony publish the game. Their are plenty of other publishers but now they are getting what they deserve. Also i got my entire game refunded thanks to Steam.
It’s not arrowheads fault it’s Sony the ceo is trying to get it solved and get the games back on steam inshallah it goes back on steam in the banned countries Ameen
@Le_fish0 the only reason Sony is involved is because of Arrowhead chosing them as the publisher. So it is their fault for making that huge decision. Look at the damage it has caused
@@ClevTrev7if you are a tiny developer and Sony comes knocking with a bag of cash you better grab it with both hands and legs. Yes there are many publisher out there but this is Sony you are talking about here
@@Le_fish0 I’m aware it isn’t arrowheads fault just soooo shitty seeing people still unable to play the game even after Sony Overturned the decision. Some people around the world still can’t even purchase it still
We're way behind because of the terrible bot ballancing, retrieing essential personnel missions are impossible to complete so everyone goes to dispense freedom on the bug front
Well said, Automatons are way fewer and harder to kill than the Bugs, then we have the same amount to kill, I would understand 1.2 Billion, but it should´ve been obvious that 2 Billion is practically undoable. However I think it will just delay the anti tank mines 1 or 2 weeks.
Shrugs in raising flag missions being stupidly easy..
That's a horrendous mission
They are not impossible.
Difficult.
But not impossible.
If people would actually mic up and TALK to each other, you know, COORDINATE their efforts, shit would go alot smoother.
What are you talking about?
Aside from gunships, bots have better balance than bugs
I hope this failure makes the devs realize just how terribly balanced the Automatons are to fight compared to the bugs. Anybody who says they're about even are lying and clearly haven't been railed by 7 patrols, 5 hulks, 3 tanks, 2 cannon turrets, and 4 walkers all of which can shoot at you from extremely long range and have weapons that can instantly kill you. Meanwhile sure the bugs can swarm you, but you have a chance to tear their swarms apart whereas the bots force you into cover or else you'll be torn apart by rocket devastators and heavy devastators or any other unit
I love getting ragdolled by random missiles from across the map so much.
They're a rigged enemy. Their planets are miserable. I can literally almost fall asleep fighting bugs on 9 but against bots on 7 I am gritting my teeth pissed off every time.
I'm tired boss. Taking a break until they manage to make this shit make sense.
Bots are more fun to fight, The balancing isn't the problem.
The bots are easier to deal with when I go solo than when I have allies, The problem lies in the player base.
The other day I had two allies each call 500 kg bombs on a factory strider, and they both missed and blinded the hell out of me which caused me to delay my advance.
I killed it with orbital precision strike, but I died because my advance was delayed.
And that about sums up the problem with the player base against bots.
You need speed and precision, you can't just take a big damaging high armor penetration weapon and just expect things to work just because you can shoot a devastator in the chest.
I've been using the tenderizer and I can pick them off left and right without any other bots noticing, so I can get in a good position to throw the stratagem that's going to do some work.
You've got to have some kind of situational awareness, you should have some kind of plan that extends beyond run and shoot...
Bots are easy to fight, just don't pull multiple patrols. And if you do, you should run away. 1 Eaglestrike can wipe an entire group
Skill issue i main level 9 and bots are funner to fight imo
You can shoot the anti material rifle in 3rd person. There is no crosshairs but you can totally do it
I think they should implement a research and development planet such as Mars
I know we can't have every player trying to test things. Maybe they can randomly select people who are on ship or logging in and give them the option to test on the planet and leave feedback or play test whatever Arrowhead has left on the planet to try similar to what they did with the mechs at first on Tien Quan. Who knows It can even build hype and excitement for certain weapons / Stratagems that are soon to come from super earths greatest r&d researchers
but I think Mars or another planet can work in game as a test planet lore wise. Think of it as having to serve jury duty. It's not often you'll get selected but when you do you better accept lol.
Maybe it may alleviate some constraints with playtesting I don't know how to fix every problem with the game I just love it and want it to do good.
I predict illuminate will likely be an unpopular faction to fight, they were in HD1
They seem like they'll be super cool, a completely different game
Yeah I imagine they’ll be 10x more tougher than the bots. We need more stratagems
what were they like?
@@brandonarmstrong2053 or better guns preferrably
Gonna be honest, stiffing solo play so hard by nerfing the swiss army knife that is the Eruptor while more or less quadrupling enemies killed it for me. It wasn't just the Eruptor of course. Everything feels rough now in general. Hopefully the CEO is successful in steering us back towards the fun side of things. And it doesnt help that they did all this right before diablo 4 drops their loot rework.
Personally for me I refuse to touch the game until balance changes are made. Not sure how many are in the same boat but perhaps that is a contributing factor to why the MO failed.
Same. Was hoping today's update would pull me back but definitely wasn't.
They’ve been pumping out content. They have to be exhausted by now. Sony needs to work on funneling in their most talented devs to work on this game. That would help a lot.
Pumping out content my ass
@CBRN-115 you do realise these guys aren't a triple A company right?
@@killswitch432 Yet I guarantee you are the same person who would go on a crusade about how "it did better than a triple A company!", only to use this as an excuse. It doesn't matter if it isn't a triple A company FOR GODS SAKE they are partners with SONY. They have more than enough budget and resources from the game selling to be hiring new talents and or patching fatal crashes.
There's no reason this should be happening on any game whatsoever.
@ThePepperedMelon yes I am like that. If you knew how hard it was to do what they do, you'd think the same thing. There's guys are just people like us. People forget that and expect way too much from game developers nowadays. This game shits on pretty much every triple game at the moment, and yet it still gets torn apart. And just because they have Sony doesn't mean shit. Sony is the reason why shit is going downhill for helldivers. Who's ever dumb fucken stupid idea to make people have a PSN account is absolutely retarded. If you want to blame someone, blame that scum company.
Yes they have been selling enough copies. They should be comfortable where they are at and be able to hire new devs and get more resources. I think they are just lazy because look at the warbonds. All of the items are basically reskins. With an occasional good weapon that will probably get nerfed in the next week when they should be fixing the bugs that have been in the game since launch. It just seems lazy to me
Keep in mind that Sony has NOT released the game again for the 150 plus countries. At the moment they stand to be manipulating us to fix the reviews for the game while they keep it the same
IMO the once a month warbond is a contractual item with Sony to entice casual players to purchase super credits for it.
No shit haha
Couldn't help but notice there is a know issue missing from the update list: The Eruptor is missing it's shrapnel effect.
It's not missing. The devs removed the shrapnel effect and increased its damage. I like personally like it with the shrapnel.
Oh trust me, everyone has been complaining about that since it happened. It was an awful nerf by one of the laziest devs in the industry, who some how manged to become the balence dev, and is now responsible for the main problem with the content of the game, balencing being completely busted and squed towards being unfun
@@jeromysimmons6730 I hear ya, but I don't care what Alexus says, it should be reverted, especially since it was a selling point for the warbond.
Oh, I totally agree that they should put it back to its original state. Hopefully the CEO will get Alexis to remember that the game is supposed to be FUN.
The Major Order is a bit odd and, Arrowhead fixed the bug from the previous version that counted kills incorrectly. But they should also know that 30%-45% of the population does not leave bug planets, so why did we get the same two trillion kill order? At best I see a reasonable goal being 1.7-1.8 trillion, but it feels like AH just ignores known trends by the community.
I don't get this need for new content constantly. All I want for them is to unfuck the weapon balancing so that it's like it was early on, where you felt like you were at a buffet and everything looks good. Right now only a handful of weapons are really viable, and even worse than that many others just aren't fun at all. I'd rather they fix that and get rid of the damn bugs then get a new war bond for the next 4 months
The scope thing, is not a bug. You should adjust your scope distance to compensate the gap between your scope and gun barrel. They went realistic there.
Of the 20+ friends I made in this game only 4 have logged in to dive in the last couple weeks and usually just to do their Personal Order. I pretty much do the same. Pop in to get my 15 Medals and call it a day.
Someone already pointed this out on Reddit. When it is a terminid related MO, those on bot-front would flock to the terminid side to help. But when it was bot related MO, not that many people would come and help from the bug-front...
"we sold 12 million! Now, how can we fuck it up?" -Sony, about 2 weeks ago
This major order is pretty tough. My average kills against the bots are about 100-200 per game. My average kills against the bugs are 400-700 per game.
4:57 as far as account linking goes, I was planning on getting this on Steam later. I have it on PS5 and would like to play on Steam whenever I get the chance. I was also waiting to get the Super Citizen upgrade when I did that. Now with all the controversy I might be waiting to see how things progress. If they keep self sabotaging I will reconsider. Before I thought it would be a good buy, not sure now. I’m hoping they turn it around
I didn’t realize cross-progression wasn’t part of the PSN linking. So until the it would be pointless
Yes they need to release a big buff to weapons patch.
Get everyone back into the game then do a big order like this.
Sadly, my friends and I have dropped Helldivers 2 for the time being. Too many bugs that need fixing, the game balance is off, and the warbonds are not worth the effort we are putting in to unlock.
Need more content and stop removing the fun out of it. Get very annoying to kill a chicken if I have to go around it while there 10 rocket flying all around me. It just not worth the time we get nerf and they buff everytime we find a easier way to kill them.
No seriously I wish there was more content for warbonds and the cost of medals just to get one weapon that isn’t even good like cmon man grinding for nothing
At this trend I can see about 10% of the population ever attempting illuminate, if the balancing stays bad and players prefer "easier" enemies/missions... we may aswell just surrender to them now to avoid a righteous doggin
Hello there ! thnaks for sharing so much intel about what's going on for HD2 !
I'd like to ask if you ever heard about some futur patch that could cancel the ammo nerf or the shrapnel nerf of the Eruptor, because it has became pretty much useless since the shrapnel was removed. Thks again !
They'll just change liberation impact % to be higher if theres less players. Which im pretty sure they mess with already
Love this channel. No fluff and filler, or constant babbling or click-baity videos. You guys rock!
What I don't get as a steam player is if steam is a small part of helldivers2 player base and they sold 12 million copies hows there barly 120,000 active players or not enough players to compete the major orders
It's an average.. people pop on and off but the average is 120 thousand an hour.
Steam is smaller than ps5 because it is a playstation platform exclusive
People moving on
People locked out cause its still blocked in like 180 countries, players who bought it and just didn't vibe with it and never logged back in, and time zones are a thing. When you're on, there are people logging off or sleeping and haven't logged in yet. 12 million players are spread across the world, and we can't all be logged in at once. I have a job, wife, family, and friends to deal with.
Bots are also harder to kill than bugs, so thats also a contributing factor.
Also it was a counting glitch the first time.. Arrowhead bad on that
major examinations in germany and Uk.. many people revising and not having enough time for gaming anymore
Fastest selling and now lost 40% of player base since the PSN linking issue, crappy War bond, and cutting out 170+ countries. I love this game but it is slipping and I hope AH, PSN, and Steam come together for everyones benefit.
If enough people drop on level 7-8 with sentries and the HMG to focus on dismantling enemies it should be possible. I find rushing the obj and then getting the bots to reinforce for more to dismantle is more engaging than spamming orbitals on the smaller maps
I believe how it was, was me and 3 people got 40 kills each they would add that (160) and multiply it by the number of players giving us 640 kills per full team run. Im not surprised at the drastic difference, we were stomping out bugs like they wouldn't mind their business. However, it could be bugged like before just in the opposite manner
Glad to see the game is still holding up, taking a small break to prevent burnout but will be back for the new faction when it releases
The game is in a bit of a rough patch, but I think it'll push through.
Talk on changes to weapon rebalances to focus more on buffs, the illuminate, vehicles, I think there are several things players want that are just in the works at the moment.
Also people are still coming down from their Sony outrage, which might last as long as those countries are blocked... But that's being discussed too.
I'm still having fun though, it's just not my only game
Hate me if you want, but when I see major orders that appear impossible, I just don't participate. I know it's not ideal, but I'm sure a bunch of others in the community feel the same. They need to seem achievable to keep the player base engaged.
I agree. It was impossible right from day 1. Made it not worth attempting
News flash....people have to deal with something called reality. It gets in the way a lot of the time. Every order, whether it be major or not, is not always going to get done.
I mean if they’re going to rig the war map regardless of MO’s it doesn’t matter, we won the bot planet defense MO yet the bots ended up with more planets than they had before, so who cares, just play for fun
Strategem:
*call down a heavy tank would be cool
* call down AI pelican that stays down at a period of time to blast everything
*call down vehicle for you and your team
*call in mini gun
* call in some sort of AI juggernaut.
Idk I’m just throwing shit out XD
I wish I could’ve had time to help with the major order, life is just too busy sometimes. My apologies fellow Helldivers.
I just started playing and still strugle with level 4🙃 but joining randoms helped a lot. The helldivers community is realy nice from my experience
This is the second time that the bug players screwed over a major order.
Why play against an unbalanced foe. No one will play vs them when it feels like a job. Terminids are actually fun to fight vs the heavy devastator spam and unreasonably tough double chainsaw dudes.
@@Arbitertaco Me hate medals and new stratagems is all I’m hearing.
@@ArbitertacoI didnt know being constantly swarmed by what feels like a thousand hunters and chargers was "fun". Id take a patrol of heavy devastators over any of those bugs anyday
@@superiornicholas412 This is a video game dude, calm down.
@@Arbitertaco skill issue
Over half a billion dollars. That wild.
The Warbonds could be a single page every 2-4 weeks, as long as the stuff is up to the level it needs to be to be viable with the current state of the game.
We failed the last order, too. Shocker. The player base is 1/4 what it was.
Major order for Medals to unlock shitty armor with weapons that will be nerfed next Tuesday. I don't mind failing major orders lol
I’ve shot the AMR in third person. What do you mean you can’t. Everyone u run my “Mando” build I do. It comes in clutch when they get to close
Just like the new heavy mg you can shoot 3rd person you just don’t get crosshairs
Heavy MG does have third person aim reticle now though.
@@kamikeserpentail3778 shows how long it’s been since I’ve run that lol but still
I saw someone saying the bullets being lower than the sight was a feature and not a bug due to realism lol.
The AMR is very accurate from the hip
I remember we took all the bots.. Then next day they took everything back... That was it for me
I'm digging the back and forth news format. Great job guys. Also, +1 for not using foul language so my son, who plays HD2 with me, can also watch it!
I’m one of those people who doesn’t like fighting the bots. I use to do the major orders as they came, but the recent abundance of bot orders pushed me further away from them. I’ll do a couple bot missions, but that’s about it. The weapons are way too weak in comparison to the damage the bots do. You can argue skill all you want, but being swarmed by masses that all require precision shoots because the weapons are bad, but they can one shot me from across map isn’t fun to me.
I think the lack of major order progress is mostly coming from them "fixing" how kills are counted towards it.
if they expected to keep scoring the same after over 100 countries getting denied access and lower the registered kills, it just doesnt work like that.
The balance lead at their studio needs to be fired from position and put somewhere else that they don't have direct decision making power on this title.
The current balance lead is the same person who absolutely ran Hello Neighbor 2 into the ground with anti-player balance changes constantly, to the point that they successfully drove the player base away completely by making them hate the game.
They have a massive ego, cannot listen to community feedback, they do not play the game they balance, and follow a child's mindset of, "PLAY MY WAY, OR NOT AT ALL"
If an item or a gun feels good to use, you know immediately that it will be crippled in two weeks and then brought to a state of dysfunction where it's no better than a sidearm, or is worse.
This game will completely die and drive the players away if they don't fire the guy.
Well I loved playing against bots with Eruptor, it was so fun and the gun was satisfying. But they nerfed it.
Still can't unblock players. Still can't accept friend requests. They don't know how to fix anything. Useless company
There are also a lot of final tests going on in America, so I know at least my friends haven’t been playing recently.
I think worrying about the moving of front lines, and the course of the galactic campaign isn't needed, they'll adjust things accordingly, they aren't gonna make super earth get wiped out, attacked maybe, wiped out probably not.
tbh with how low player counts has been, destroying super earth and making a new campaign to get revenge would be perfect to have thousands of people come back for democracy
@theradtoast1159 naw some of us have real life principles and will never be playing the game again. Hopefully the refunds will start to make them realize how much they fucked up.
the 1st game had campaigns were we won against all factions or lost SUPEREARTH... I have no idea why the devs are so adamant about it and just keep rigging MOs
i really want a star wars warbond were we get stormtrooper armour and blasters as weapons, boba fett flavoured jump pack and maybe mandalorian too
I don’t blame players for avoiding the automaton front. It’s not fun being stun locked in the middle of the stim animation and then getting swarmed by berserkers or nuked by rockets and tanks.
Really wish theyd fix the pelican getting stuck/broken on landing if a bile titan is near the landing zone or an airstrike hits it. Running and crawling around in it until i fail the match is not a fun gameplay mechanic
I mean the problem with the tenderizer: how hard is it to give it 10 more bullets in each mag and 10 more damage?!
The nerfs finally got to me man. It's so frustrating coming home from work to try and get some Ws with a weapon I've mastered just to realize I have to completely change my playstyle. I'm over it.
Players need to be given access back to Helldivers2 in all regions, and then once everyone can play again, they need to release the squids. A new enemy would really bolster engagement and bolster moral.
Using the tenderizer now that it doesn’t look like a fucking nerf gun off wish
I eagerly await the fixed stats too
Hey guys I’ve been trying to play helldivers on ps5 but it keeps saying can’t start the game. Can anyone help me with this?
I love this game but sony f*cked it up to much. Not even enough helldivers for the mayor order.
ngl even the personal mission is hard due to how many bugs/disconnects there are
and i have no interest of running difficulty 1 solo three separate times
I wish more people complained about the Kodiak Color in comparison to the trailer but thats just me 😂
The reason why Arrowhead has to release a new warbond every single month is a contractual obligation they have with the publishing deal with Sony. Its a bit of a shitty practice aimed to generate the maximum amount of short term revenue from games that are not expected to have great sales or a long lifespan but it is also pretty standard in the industry. Since Arrowhead had no idea the game would blow up like a 500kg server bomb, they had only Helldivers 1 to go off in terms of success predictions which peaked at 10K CCU.
I feel like we really did lose a lot of divers after the PSN account linking patch (which got scrapped thankfully) but yeah - its sad thats prolly the reason we wont get anti tank mines cause so many uninstalled the game etc
With 170 countries still unable to play, not surprising we’re falling short of the general order.
Order failure is because the community is much smaller for... reasons.
Imagine how many more players they COULD have had if they could still sell in alllllll those countries that they restricted after not requiring the PSN account.
The issue is people are burnt out , bored, and or just dont like fighting the bots seeing as they have issues where they can shoot through cover and overall be an annoying rather than fun pain in the ass. It's unfortunate that this major order came out after the disappointing warbond further killing players drive even for a new stratagem. I'm hoping that the new balance update will breath some life into the game and further elevate for future updates. In all honesty they should have waited till they cleaned up some issues before they dropped a major order like this smh if the anti tank mines are just gone.
Test servers are useless in this scenario. That's for ironing out weird interactions, not for finding obvious bugs on paper, which is the vast majority of what we get.
Its finals week for college.
A lot of people will be focusing on other things the next 2 weeks.
I should be delivering freedom again by friday
i kinda think a test server (depending on how they implement it) could be harmful for the game just because a core element of gameplay and the story is centered around player count. could create a divide between players in the community being upset at each other for not contributing to orders like we already see with people getting angry about bug players not switching over to bots and vise versa. i'm sure there are ways to put it in without this issue but we shall see!
That explains why they provided us a pole to have the war bond released or to wait a little bit
I think main issue is the Automatons just aren’t fun to fight against. Especially to play them enough to kill 2 BILLION. After one full set of missions I’m tired of the bots and that’s not even on helldive. I go play terminids on helldive for FUN
Remember that they asked if they should release the warbond or wait for it and people voted for release
We are the majority of the helldivers on PC. PS is at BEST 40% or 20% at least at any given time. The active player counts can confirm that when compairing active steam users on helldivers vs what in game says are overall active. Remove what steam says is online, and that is your Playstation count.
I feel like as soon as the new faction(s) drop the player numbers are going to skyrocket
No wonder player numbers are down if everytime someone has fun with a certain weapon or stratagem for that matter it gets nerfed becuase some guy who probably only plays difficulty 3 thinks they're too powerful. The constant nerfing surely didn't help the player count...
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They did ask if we wanted the Warbond pack now or later
I’m getting tired of the nerfs. It is fun to feel powerful and as soon as you do it’s just stripped away the next week. The devs have to stop taking the ‘fun’ elements out of the game. This is not PVP.
It's obvious we wouldn't be able to kill that many automatons... they're harder to kill and spawn significantly fewer mob units.
Wonder of those 12 Million sales how much were from countries that supposedly shouldn't have had it in the first place. And I wonder if this counts the refunds that were not re-purchased.
Need to fix their friend request bs
This major order confirms to me that a good portion of the playerbase dont play bots and will never have the skill to fight them. These are the people complaining every change and they cant pass level 7 bug missions.