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sony has not been the same sony since it became an american brand in 2018
@@handsomemre It got infested with the woke
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You talk loss without talking worth. Sony is worth 119 billion.
They won the console wars and had great exclusives that you mentioned early in the video. They’ll be fine. This isn’t Microsoft.
“Future proof their business model” is one of the most ludicrous shifts ever made.
Sony was future proof with a line-up of critically and commercially acclaimed games. All they have to do is keep that up. If Sony had announced 12 new single player games with a mix of new and old
IPs they’d be riding a gravy train compared to what is happening currently.
Make good games and you win. Win on PC, win on console, win on handheld, win as a phone game, win as an arcade unit.
Just make good games and the rest will flow.
But then they dropped the ball.
@@ys3606 Sony dropped the bat, the ball and a whole stadium.
To be fair, though, Sony has been in a couple tight financial situations in recent years. They're in cost cutting mode right now because they have profit margin targets to hit that they are struggling to get to.
@@LifenowafterOHprobably the soap too
I can understand the idea, maintaning that good will is gonna eventually become quite the hassle because Play Station needs to keep upgraping the cost of their games to make them more grandiose, and eventually the investors are gonna get annoyed that Play Station doesn't make a sustaineable profit unless those games have +10M units sold.
That is something you can count with a GTA, but not with a new IP from Sony... Of course, Sony didn't have to gamble with life-service, they could simply need to have more faith in their smaller games in order to give Sony's Big Developers more time to cook without feeling pressure to be super succesful... But that is when the investors wanting a life-service changed things...
No new Jak & Daxter
No new Days Gone
No new Resistance
No new Sly Cooper
No new Killzone
No new SOCOM
No new Infamous
No new Prototype
No new Bloodbourne
$400 million smackaroos down the crapper...
ratchet and clank!
@@Edruschitz Ratchet and Clank games are still being made, Rift Apart was a PS5 launch title and is now on Steam on PC
...i am shocked anyone remembers SOCOM, let alone Killzone.
@@acetrigger1337 sad but true.
God I miss Resistance 😭
What a waste. For that money, they could have started an indie division, take on dozens of promising early access games and gave them the boost to make them into a real, high quality product. The executives all chased after that 1 big number, that one big tree that they missed the forest.
I honestly dont want a AAA studio to try and buy indie studios because the execs are gonna force those studios to do things that the indie team doesnt want to do
@@IamJustA You're probably right.
God, no. Just no. This is how EA started. Tons of amazing studios become an unrecognizable slop under EA.
Remember when Maxis, PopCap Games and DICE made good games? Where are they now?
Too bad they can't do something similar, like buy dead IP's like "the day before" and actually make it into the game it was promised to be. Everyone had it on their wishlist until it turned out to be a scam. There is a lot of potential (I think) in fixing abandoned games like this that people obviously WANTED. But.... that's not going to happen.
@@DawnAfternoon westwood, bullfrog, mythic, visceral.
EA are serial killers of studios.
Another one of Sony's multibillion dollar disaster is Bungie.
They spent like 4 billion to acquire it. They hoped Destiny 2 would sell well but didn't. They hope Marathon will sell well just like Concord they think Marathon is future of PS, but it won't sell. They cancelled another one of Bungie's own project. They canceled TLOU multi-player on which Bungie helped.
So why tf did they even acquire Bungie
At least Sony can get the money back after PS5 pro release. They are big big company with many loyal fans.
4 billion to Sony is like 4 bucks. Yeah it's "some money" but really their ceo starbucks costs way more.
@@ianal0028 1000$? im not that loyal lol
@@MasouShizuka It's still a lot of money to Sony. Sony is a multi-billion dollar conglomerate sure, but 4 billion is a 25th or so of Sony's 100+ billion wealth. It's a lot of money.
They acquired Bungie for 3.6B and what they were after was their live service knowledge, Destiny and Marathon were obviously a factor but not the primary reason, Jim Ryan had this idea that they could utilise that expertise and dominate the market and make a lot of money, what they didn't realize was that Bungie were lucky, in Destiny they had a franchise that had excellent moment to moment gameplay and that one thing more than anything is why it's still around 10 years later, the recent stories about Bungie that have been doing the rounds have shown that it's now obvious that at the executive level they were a joke, their own devs were telling them how the company and the game were being run wouldn't work.
Have a look for the Justin Truman presentation at GDC 2022, he works for Bungie and gave a talk about how to run a successful live service game, it was eye opening for all the wrong reasons.
One of the most glaring problems with all of Sony's live-service attempts is the upfront cost.
With a live-service you're essentially baiting someone onto a treadmill... Now imagine if you went to the gym, paid your entrance fee, then went over to the treadmills to get some cardio in and found out you needed to pay extra to use them... Nobody would touch them, because you can walk or run wherever you want, you only use the gyms treadmills because they're there and they're free and you're at the gym anyway.
Both Genshin and Fortnite figured this out years, "free to play", because the goal is to get the person running on the treadmill, not to monetize the treadmill itself.
I love the way you explain it. You should try teaching.
Lowkey such a good comment
Genshin want you to buy their sexy protein shake while youre on the treadmill. Cant resist that 😂
@@ReedSolutions yeah they got me on that one, was prepared for the long run, but then they gave me the sexy protein shake earlier than i was prepared for and had to dip my wallet in
My methaphorical take on free to play games is that we are both trying to scam each other so it balances out. They are trying to scam me out of money by having over priced microtransactions but thats okay because I am trying to scam them back by trying to get a fun game for free. If I feel it is worth it after playing the free version then I might go okay you got me I enjoy the game and am willing to pay to enjoy it more.
This pay to enter and pay to get the full experience demands that I respect the game makers time by paying upfront but then don't respect my time by constantly interrupting me to try and nickle and dime me. If you want me to respect your time then respect my time. If you want don't plan on respecting my time by offering time savers, fomo and overpriced microtransactions then don't demand I respect your time by paying upfront.
It’s actually impressive how many Ls Sony has been racking up lately.
Try telling that Sony Defence Force that. They are definitely in the denial stage at the moment
@@GamingRobioto lol the SDF!!!!
Like whay besides Concord?
@@skurinski SDF spotted
@@skurinskion queue hahahaha
Gotta give props you are wearing a Berserk shirt. RIP Kentaro
Do not be distracted. Fact is SONY is once again requiring PSN account for God of War on PC. A SINGLE PLAYER GAME requiring PC players to sign in and be online to play a SINGLE PLAYER GAME..
Me still playing my Sega Genesis & Super Nintendo...... I don't have these problems.
I've been informed that if you "sail the high seas" then you can bypass this requirement... I'm planning to test this soon once my download completes...
they're probably going to make next single-player an online only one needing some random server to play
does it really matter that much? you need a steam account to play any game on pc unless you pirate it.
@@PolumbiusTheThird yes, playstation is known to have several data breaches; and psn isnt available in several countries, making the game unplayable there
The arrogance of these people is truly astounding. They take no outside feedback at all and stubbornly refuse to change. It really is bizarre.
Its just narcissism doing it's thing. Notice how many of these terrible shows/films/games seem to be created for the creator's own ego and self-insert, not a product with an end consumer in mind. They seem to have forgotten that they also need to have a business, which used to be selling escapist entertainment and not their personal fan fiction.
They only care about the bottom line. If feedback doesn't = more money, shareholders and investors don't care.
Remember when all the feedback from Concord's open beta was dismissed as "white noise"?
And then the game shut down in less than a month while Deadlock is doing conga lines on its grave?
Maybe I'm a bad person, but I do get some satisfaction out of watching narcissists reap what they sow.
It's political propaganda driven by people higher up the food chain. It's not about making money, it's about being allowed to make money and so having to check all boxes. There is no "free market".
@@luistrigojr.3729 So very short-sighted.
Live-service games are supposed to be like agriculture: you water the seeds you plant, you feed the livestock you house, and you sell the products that both means produce.
Sony has been expecting all the product sales and none of the maintenance and care required to give people what they want.
CEOs have ONE main concern - making more money. Every CEO wants their company to have a Fortnite, Call Of Duty, or Destiny 2. Until they change that 'profit over quality' thing over to include customer satisfaction, company longevity, and employee health they will continue to make crap much of the time. CEOs should NEVER have creative input. They're executives, that should be FACILITATING the creation of product, executives love to hop on successful trends, but they not creatives and shouldn't be involved in those type of decisions... stick to the money, emails, and spreadsheet guys, leave the game creation to the creatives.
Not entirely accurate: They want to make more money RIGHT NOW. That last part is the problem. They care not for long term viability and profits, they want all the money, right now. Future be damned. Because that quarterly report has to look good for investors.
Put those last two together and you still don’t have Fortnight. Fortnight is “fuck you” levels of big, it’s bigger than most mobile games. At this point only Tetris is a bigger game than Fortnight.
I dunno if destiny two was the best example to mention since Sony bought Bungie and you can tell that went down...
@@SpottedHares bigger than genshin?
Billion? You mean $3B, aka Bungie.
Bungie hasn't given a fuck in so many years lol
Bungie with the heist of the century
@@realmtreader6566 More or less. I mean, I hear horror stories about Marathon.
There absolute idiots they seen Microsoft buying studios and they thought they needed the same😂😂
@@TDD_Drums I think they stopped giving a fuck right at the end of halo 3 when they left the chief floating in space :)
Sony has a habit of shooting themselves in the foot when they make a good game.
Helldivers 2
Don't get me started on what happened to Concord.
What the fuck were they doing for 7.5 years to have Sony dump more money into the game to "get it ready and out the door"
Sony didn’t make Helldivers 2, Arrowhead is independent, they just published the game. Seriously this take less then a minute to check.
Sony’s downfall was set in stone the second they moved to the United States. it’s no coincidence Nintendo is the only company of the 3 sticking to their formula and killing it in the exclusives department
Sony is still and always has been killing it with their first party single player games. The live service is the dumpster fire, their first party SP games are still almost always amazing
@@devak45167True.
It doesn't make them 'too big to fail', which is a laughable statement.
Kinda. But also when they stopped having exclusives.
The first leads to shit games, the second to no games
Yes I agree with you 100%. I still remember when they announced the changes and the progressive shift to focus on the western market. I told myself at the time that it would be the end of the sony I loved.
@@kasaimampuya2074 Inafume moment.
Spending ONE WHOLE SILLY BILLY on people's self insert games that will get to the end stages without onboarding or a store.
Concord was 6 years in development and had no onboarding on store, because what mattered was "what if this action character... ME?" And all the HR hags clapped.
Calling a billion a silly billy is amazing and I'm stealing it.
@@salthin Go ahead, also, also remember, Concord costed 400 silly millies.
@@Saint_Wolf_that was disprove almost immediately.
@@SpottedHares Sure thing, Jen.
I disagree. They aren't blindfolded throwing darts. They are just super arrogant, believe they are infallible and that their customers will buy whatever they do. Their hubris is an an all time high this era.
I'm honestly not sure why companies are so stupid as to fail to realise that the live service winners are all either fundamentally good games or the very few that managed to capture lightning in a bottle and successfully rode that wave into becoming fundamentally good games.
I think the problem is the people running these giant companies have zero idea how actual people function or how games should work to be enjoyable (and therefore successful). Bobby Kotick wasn't unique, he was just visible.
His kind of mentality is ultra pervasive in large companies, gaming related or not. The consumer is a number on a spreadsheet, not an actual person. The game is just a commoditized product, not a creative work. Does it check the boxes on what they've analyzed as other successful games? If so then it should be successful right? Right?
Turns out when capitalistic greed outweighs everything else you don't get particularly good art.
There are more of such people because the gaming industry is a sea of money.
Last of Us and Horizon were the warning signs
When they keep focusing on remaking, re-releasing, and spinning off these 2 "popular" series over and over and over again it already showed they were caring more for shareholders than gamers
last of us is sonys skyrim. it will be re released for 20 years lmao
I love Horizon but I am so mad it's now being remade. I watched a bit of the remake trailer and there is no difference! It already was a good looking game on ps4! What a waste of time.
"Sony! That's premium!"
Also premium prices for disc drives! 💀
Thankfully, no one is forced to buy any of this slop. Vote with your wallet and don't be a mindless consumer.
I feel like conversations among the Concord developers went something like...
"Players don't like the character art or general aesthetic."
"Can we change that?"
"No, we'd have to spend another $50 million updating pre-rendered cutscenes and rewriting character dialogue."
"Maybe they'll change their minds if the gameplay is really sick."
"Oh, totally, let's go with that."
But it turns out the gameplay wasn't quite sick enough (being a 2016 rehash).
"Maybe players will appreciate matches if we draw them out with stupidly slow movement speed."
"Maybe players will like this healer if we make his hitbox as big as a tank!"
"We can totally make players love these characters, all we have to do is FORCE THEM to play EVERYONE!"
"Okay, maybe players don't like them NOW, but give us a couple of months to release a ton of static conversations about what Rip-off Draxx's favorite Burrito is!"
"What do you mean we don't even have 700 players at launch?"
Firewalk was genuinely delusional, there's simply no other way to explain it.
Imagine throwing all that money away on not only a live service, but a hero shooter at that. No way Concord was worth that much. Most of that money was pocketed. No hero shooter would ever need that much cash to make. That genre is so bottom-of-the-barrel, it's actually below said barrel because Sony scratched at the bottom so much, they broke through and dug into the earth.
So that's why there is so much talk around Concord, I had no idea it had such a high budget, I was wondering why there was suddenly so much talk about what looked like a random indie game failing that nobody had heard about before. Was there no marketing outside of maybe within the Playstation store or something?
A mismanaged project can bleed money very easily without fraud.
The problem is that GTA6 has a reported development budget of 250m, just to make it and that’s the most expensive game ever made we can actually get some verified numbers for. But none of the talking heads seems to bring this up. Which tells us none of them did any research when talking about Concord, which being into question how honest their being about the 400M development alone.
True. Concord had less than 200m budget. It was not 100m because of the production of the animated stories and marketing campaign.
Entire Cyberpunk cost was 318m. There is nothing to compare here. There was no 400m. That info is barely a rumour.
Insane how a company can spend a billion dollars and come up with a 600 lb black woman in green armor who yells and screams. That's the 'talent' money buys you? I could think of a better character in 2 seconds for free.
Case in point, Warframe, a F2P co-op game with a generouus amount of content and a decent "singleplayer" story.
@@soulstalker4624 the problem with live services i've played is over monetization, except warframe, dlc content makes sense to be paid, but in destiny 2, it's literally pay to win, weapons and even abilities are locked behind dlc, as well as armors. The monetization goes so far to this point, every year, there are 4 (now 3) seasons, each one has a special exotic mission for an exotic tier gun, this mission is only for season pass holders, though after the year is over and the season is removed fully, then the mission is for dlc owners, so the mission is essentially early access to anyone who buys the season
It's not "what" you know, but "who" you know that gets you into these jobs.
@@paxluporum4447 I hate to rain on the parade, but that's kinda always been how it works. I'm not saying it's good, I just remember my dad talking to me about his experience in the tech industry. Your resume didn't mean shit back then if you didn't have a foot in the door to land somewhere decent, and the way you did that was by knowing someone there.
That's actually one of the reasons that industry conferences exist. Grease palms, learn names, get In The Know. It just comes as a shock to people these days because nobody but those in the system bothered learning how it worked.
@TheRedstonian You are definitely not raining on my parade lol! I don't even think it's a bad thing on it's own. Good, talented, hard-working people tend to recommend people they know are like themselves. But I've seen more than one small business enter into a death spiral because someone shitty gets put in charge then invetibally bring in more shitty people that they know. Which is I think is one of the main problems here.
Can’t focus with the Satisfactory music, I just keep thinking about the plastic factory I need to finish tonight.
I'm gonna need to make a new rubber factory since turbo motors need so much rubber, from components and directly...
Glad I'm not the only one. Heavy modular frames my beloathed.
It just makes me think that somewhere out there, g-portal has a server whos permanently spinning our 8 karts in a loop around a power pole.
If Western game dev studios continue this downward spiral, it wouldn't be a surprise if people chose to play Stellar Blade or other Chinese-produced games.
Stellar Blade is Korean.
that is until the US bans us from playing Chinese-produced games lol
@@Shizzmoney74 I'm going to laugh if the last bastion for decent games in the west will turn out to be niche porn games.
BlackRock marketing strat is goind strong! Can't sell diversity? "Force behaviors!" Still does not work? Lobby the law that ensures it!
Damn, I love the internet. There is a video of BlackRock CEO openly saying all that. Yet people are still buffeled by all this sudden onset of token characters and incopetence.
Larry Fink is one of the worst human beings to walk this earth. Change my mind. I've seen the video you're mentioning, of him sitting on stage at the WEF. The fact that ESG is literally created by Blackrock and ESG is basically the financial incentive to create DEI departments in order to obtain investors means that Larry Fink is the power player behind DEI everywhere.
@@jazzyjswift 😂😂 Settle down mate , Larry is just an agent of this particular global tribe 🤥 he isn’t the demiurge himself
@@jazzyjswiftWhat’s even crazier is that he’s argued to raise the retirement age ceiling.
Which is easy for him because he’s a billionaire.
@@jazzyjswiftGoblins aren't human.
Diversity is literally the last reason any of this failed. It's like entering a sedan into a Formula 1 race and saying "We lost because the car was painted brown". Trying to enter an oversaturated market with $40 games when all of the other games in the genre are free to play and more well established is just stupid. The design of the characters was terrible, even for the straight white male characters it was ugly and boring, so diversity is not the problem. If you really care about video games getting better and are not just a grifter looking for internet clout from right wing morons, drop the DEI stuff and look at the real reasons games are bad. falling for DEI bait is going to allow games companies to keep making bad games
I've seen a couple comments saying this is a problem with capitalism inherently. While capitalism has it's flaws, I actually think this particular situation is an example of capitalism working correctly! Think about it. They're failing. They're making bad products, and they're failing _because of it_. Our world is not fair or easy, but I'm glad, that for once, this part is working the way it's supposed to.
Well, failure isn't ever quite total and equal throughout a system of rules. You're looking at the successful part of capitalism. How about the part that causes a lot of issues? The penny pinching that leads to online games like mmos with poor moderation, out of control bots, and features only ever being added to storefronts in a subscription game? Or the part where final say and all of the gains for success as well as complete ownership of IP goes to suits who then squander it on out of touch initiatives yet never get cut for their personal failures like with bungie?
I bring these things up not because capitalism bad but because every rule set will run into human errors and abuses and we damn well don't seem to be adjusting and moderating these known issues whatsoever. The rules do not discourage the exploitation forces like activision will always pursue.
The main issue with these corporations is that they think for short term earnings.
They never stop to think that doing healthy business practices, selling a good product, honing a healthy work environment will be beneficial in the long run. They only want as much profit in the shortest amount of time possible.
@@soulstalker4624 lots of companies are valuing that. The problem you're pointing out isn't an issue with capitalism, it is an issue with corporatism and corporate cronyism, where executives get their bag and leave behind a broken company
@@soulstalker4624And they will fail because of it. The market has openly spoken witn Concord and if they do not see it still, then its a crash for them.
Yes I saw that and I agree, the free market will adjust. Concord failed because in the free market of ideas, no one wants it. That’s why it’s so critical to these DEI types that they infiltrate every aspect of gaming because they want to make it so there is no free market of games- where all games are touched by their mind virus.
still waiting on sequel announcements on:
Ape Escape
Bloodborne
Colony Wars
Cool Boarders
Demons souls
God of war
Gran turismo
Gravity Rush
Horizon
Infamous
Jak and Daxter
Killzone
Klonoa
Last of Us
LittleBigPlanet
MediEvil
MotorStorm
Patapon
Pursuit Force
Ratchet & Clank
Resistance
Sly Cooper
SOCOM
Syphon Filter
Twisted Metal
Uncharted
Until Dawn
Warhawk
Wipeout
Enough God of War for now
God of War, Horizon, Gran Turismo, Last of us, and Ratchet and Clank have all had games on the PS5. the rest are all true 100% tho
Uncharted series have finished mate
Colony Wars! Damn that brings back memories.
The "sequel" to demon's souls is dark souls. Atlus was involved with FROM on DeS and its kind of surprising they were able to get the rights to remake it. DeS originally didn't get a sequel because of the split of FROM from Atlus. Thats why Dark Souls is called as such instead of Demon Souls 2
The difference between Sony's State of Play and Nintendo's Directs couldn't be more in stark contrast. I actually finished the presentation and thought: "Do they even know what customers want?"
All of these developers/publishers are still looking for the magic of GTA Online. That was an accident of happy proportions for Rockstar. They had no idea it would become so huge.
When you said Said
"Bungie's Marathon" I couldn't help but laugh. The original Bungie is gone. The bungie we have now is just a shell and the people working inside it are taking an IP they know nothing about and they're probably going to ruin it.
The Last of Us 2 was also a bit of an issue. The story pissed A LOT of people off with how they killed of Joel immediately. We got none of what we loved about the first game and got another "zombies are a problem but humanity are the real monsters" story that every shitty modern zombie movie throws at us. Even if they didn't shift full focus towards live-service games, I don't know if the single player experiences would have been as good as what we used to get.
I expected joel to die, but not like that.
One of the biggest things that made tlou1 so good, was joel and ellies relationship.
They soon snatched that away.
Neil druckman said, the first game was about love, the second about hate.
Well he got the hate, both barrels from fans.
Another prick out of touch with fans, or so arrogant he doesnt care!
The genshin number you mentioned at 5 billion is only for mobile and the source isn't that reliable, Genshin had made 4 billion on mobile alone already 2+ years ago. Their numbers right now are more likely to be in the tens of billions.
You the man. Keep calling this shit out.
Brokie
you paid a random guy on youtube to trash talk companies who will never see this video...smh. who cares if u dnt like the games dnt buy them. i dont and i dont buy them.
@@JCashBeatz"leave the multibillion dollar companies alone...!" headass
Sold all my sony stock, this is going nowhere...
"The Xbox 360 Burger King games are more original than Concord" Sad but surprisingly true 😂
I kinda miss those games. A friend of mine asked to help him get all of them, so we ate BK for a week. He just wanted to farm achievement points. I enjoyed them for the comedy of a fast food company commissioning decently fun shovelware.
Sony would have gotten far more mileage with live service if they seriously think about what they want to create that is fun to play, unique in its execution, and bring something interesting to the table and put in the right amount of resources in one good studio to do it.
You say live service in itself isn't a problem, but I disagree. The AAA market is oversaturated with games that demand my undivided attention and a revenue stream from me. I feel one of the many reasons BG3 resonates with so many is because it isn't doing FOMO. No limited time monetization, no content vault, no "you had to be there" events. Helldivers 2 is serviceable because while it might have that "you had to be there" element with the evolving story, warbonds not expiring means I don't feel pressured to play, I come and go as I feel.
Contrast to Destiny 2, the one live service I've allowed myself to fall into, where im scrambling to complete the season pass for Episode: Echoes because I put it off for so long, and it's dominating my free time.
The reason Sony wants Live Service is because while their single player experiences are great, they're also costly and don't have very high profit margins. Now without the COD deals to fall back on as well, the revenue intake is even tighter. That's why all the remasters exist now, because they are far cheaper to make, and they provide that little extra revenue boost Sony is looking for.
I think this was all Jim Ryan. Now that he is gone they should go back to what they know
My man is so down bad on Satisfactory right now, he's using it's OST for this discussion and I fucking love that lmao
Sony has become a company that would cut off it's own nose to spite it's face.
I'm hoping this makes Sony stop and learn. Old gamers like me remember the major failure of the PS3 and came back stronger. They were willing to make losses on the PS3. It's lucky XBox are not on strong grounds or gamers would make the jump like I did when the red ring of death struck
Sony is a person, so if they did learn, it would be a fleeting moment of clarity
Funny thing is Helldivers 2 was so successful that they decided to alienate 90% of their playerbase
Sony fucking sucks and has sucked since the original ps3 games like Resistance
The worst part about these token representation is that it conditions people to think that whenever a black person is a main character, it’s gonna be this type of hollow characterization, and that makes me sad as a black person
I've personally had thoughts about this too - There are a **lot** of people in this comment section that start losing it at the mere mention of a character not being straight, and I'm wondering how many mild annoyances have funneled people down the pipeline of hatred from the overall conversation.
I hear ya. This is why its important we take control of our image instead passively being scapegoats for these soulless gaming companies. Enough is enough.
@@TheRedstonian It's not mild annoyances, it's just straight up racism or homophobia. I've played many games where the white straight male protagonist was downright disgustingly bad written, where it felt forced into this "he's a badass, all women want him" narative, comments about women and sexualization left and right. That didn't make me immediatly assume that a game with a white dude mc is bad. Let's be honest, it's not small annoyances that make these people hate on these games, otherwise we'd all hate games with white male main characters, because of how many bad games with badly written white straight male characters there are. But you know it's just a bad game and move on. Why don't they do the same? We both know the answer.
Tell me why I'm playing Wolfenstein the new order, and there's like a 5 minutes sex scene I need to watch? And I'm talking about pretty detailed sex scene (not porn, but still). Isn't that also pandering to the straight male fantasy? Something that brings NOTHING to the plot. We could've seen their relationship the same with an implied sex scene, where you see them kissing and then they wake up in bed naked (something like TLOU2, you see Ellie and Dina starting to make out and then you just get a fast forward to them talking after the deed or something). And again, that didn't make me hate games where the protagonist is a straight dude.
Sure, there have been games with badly written black characters, or lgbt characters. Just like good games with well written black characters or lgbt characters. Let's not give the racists or homophobes any excuses, yeah?
Edit: I searched up the Wolfenstein The New Order scene just in case I might've been wrong about it. Nope, my point still stands. To sum it up: the main character (William) and Anya (his love interest) are a thing. She asks him if he has a moment, then the screen moves to the side (fast forwarded) to a guy next to a room, and you can hear Anya's sounds. We get inside the laundry room, and you legit see William thrusting into her (don't see his dick or anything, but still), and we see that for like 5 seconds. The plot relevance that NEEDED this sex scene? Well, just so William can say "I want this. Always" and Anya can say "We will", and then they have to leave. But this is deemed as normal, because it panders to the straight male audience. There's absolutely no reason to get this scene, we could've seen them kissing and saying the exact same stuff. Why do we have to see William's ass and see him thrusting into her? Not for the plot that's for sure. But because it's not about a black person, or LGBT person, people don't care. If it were 2 men instead... oh boy... i can already see the thousands of incels storming in saying "PANDERING! WOKE GAME!"
Mentioning TLOU2 in a good way immediately warrant a dislike
On the point of Foam Stars as a Splatoon player myself:
I thought this would have been a great game, however there are a few things that really turned me off from it. Splatoon is a highly player customized experience. You can make your avatar look however you want, the ability chunks are customizable to how the player wants it to be on their favorite pieces of gear. Foam Stars tries a mixture of Splatoon and Overwatch, the game play being Splatoon and the characters being reminiscent of Overwatch. When you take away the player customization you're not going to be seen fairly no matter how good the gameplay actually is.
Corporate greed is ruining the industry at large.
When you consider they scrapped a multiplayer live service Spider-man...when they could have just made Spider-man 2 coop where you and a friend could play as Peter and Miles or maybe even peter and venom...really makes you wonder what they are thinking.
Sounds like they are just trying to find a get rich quick scheme. Games like movies are about the creative talent, writing and world building immersion. Not creating bullet sponges and endless levelling.
Who could have guessed that giving into threats and accepting consulting from people who have never accomplished anything would end badly?
But we know they didn’t listen to any gammers?
16:45 Agreed. As a black guy, this is why i absolutely hate tokenism and wokeness. No good characterization and just toxic identity politics.
Ignoring the folks here who are pushing an agenda about it - my queer friends and I can absolutely smell hollow representation a mile away. These companies are not convincing anybody.
Rainbow Capitalism is a scourge, man. The chuds frothing at the mouth about it suck too, but they've been around for way longer than games have had rainbow flags in 'em.
No wonder they are selling the PS5 pro at that price (with barely any real upgrade) rofl
Helldivers 2 is making a comeback, they just made huge changes to the gameplay that were entirely driven by community feedback and the player count is back to 100k daily, until Sony fixes and apologizes for the region specific issues it won’t make it back to the player count at launch, but it is now just a fun game at least
imagine remastering Horizon Zero Dawn - A 7/10 game that still looks FINE and is even playable on PS5 - but leaving Bloodborne with it's horrible vignetting and 30fps cap.
Well Horizon sold better in one year then bb did with like ten years of fan boys crying for attention…. So horizon not even trying by your claim is still more enjoyable and entertaining sting then bb.
@@SpottedHares Sales doesn't equal quality. If it did Michael Bays Transformers is the best movie ever made.
@@powerfist1340bruh sales is one thing they care about. Numbers and graphs they can show at investors meeting. "Look at this red line, that is how much players we forced in to PSN! Now imagine profits when we roll out our new required subscription service! *seals clap*"
@@SpottedHares your not gonna change anyone mind this comment section, sony's boy
This statement: "Sales doesn't equal quality. If it did Michael Bays Transformers is the best movie ever made" is just stupid. Both Horizon games are very high quality. The most popular, GTA5 is a very high-quality game. The Last Of Us is a popular title with a great story, amazing characters, and a great graphics design. Red Dead Redemption 2 is even more popular. Transformers can't even stand aside these productions.
Michael Bay's Transformers is just fcuking stupid and boring.
Bloodborne is a totally different animal than Horizon. It had very high scores. It is popular, but the game has bare-bones graphics and the story is just bad. The entire thing of this game is deep fighting mechanics and improving the character. The game has 9/10 or 10 out of 10 because of how fights are designed and played. There is a metric tonne of games which shine on multiple levels like story, gameplay, novelty, graphics, humour, fun, and attention to detail. It all means nothing because of the fighting mechanics in BB which gives it 10/10.
Imagine Bloodborne scores are higher than Witcher 3, Mass Effect, Metal Gear Solid, Disco Elysium or NieR Automata. Witcher 3 sold more than 7 times as many copies as Bloodborne. Witcher is a vastly superior game. The same goes for Red Dead Redemption 2. Way more quality and value than Bloodborne. These are not stupid but nice-looking games. Both sold multiple times more copies than Bloodborne.
Playstation execs are like Mr. Krabs forgetting that the krabby patty is what his core business is. Instead they are running around with money signs for eyes looking at everything that could potentially make them more money. Ignoring what the customers actually wanted.
If there is one thing you noticed about Japanese corporate culture and their culture in general, is that they are not very good at adjusting to new things. They can do their own thing very well, but adopting stuff from other cultures and make it their own is often very difficult for them because very often they simply do not know how to incorporate these new things to fit nicely in their own culture and world views that become comfortable for them.
Live action, multiplayer games is one thing Japanese executives just do not seem to understand for years, and they should either abandon it and stick with what they do best, OR learn to incorporate it into their culture and then come up with something that is interesting and unique that only a Japanese studio, Japanese people would be able to come up with.
Except all this was done while Sony America was in charge with Jim Ryan, a very, very white guy, was in charge
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Ever heard of Capcom or Square Enix ??!?!
They don't understand multiplayer titles (according to you) but the second most popular MMO is japanese, the biggest versus fighter game in history is japanese (Street Fighter), and MH is one of the most beloved franchises in gaming, and it's clearly a multiplayer focused experience.
Your comment seems very much clueless.
@@thesunryze4658 This. I lived there for 11 years, their comment doesn't make sense and generalizes to the point of ignorance and worse.
Plus this current version of Sony is FAR from being a Japanese company. They are pretty much full blown American now.
I'm gonna throw some encouragement out there to all of you. If you've ever thought about making video games, if you have some creative indy dev idea that you've been sitting on, now is the time to get to work and put your work out there. When you look at how many billions of dollars are being wasted on developing games that no one are playing, remember that people still want to buy more video games. They want to play more games. These games were supposed to fill people's gaming schedules and right now, people's gaming schedules are looking extremely empty. They are starting to flock to indy game websites to look for something new to play that the AAAA industry just isn't giving them.
I kind of want to disagree. Right now feels amazing for gaming with Satisfactory hitting 1.0, Frostpunk 2 releasing, Helldivers getting a good patch and I haven't even bought Space Marine 2 yet because those other games are filling my time.
Right now is the best gaming has been for a long time in my opinion. I don't care if AAA flops, I have stuff I am genuinely enjoying the fuck out of right this moment.
@@hungryal I was just trying to be encouraging to indie devs. I think most gamers don't really get hooked on certain games as much. All of my friends on Discord are constantly game hopping, looking for the next thing to try. Yeah there are a lot of good games out there. And gaming can never really get worse, you can always go back and find a way to play any game that's ever existed. But there is a several billion dollar hole in demand right now that isn't being met by AAA developers.
Sony is in a worse position than they were in the early PS3 era (2006-2008) and that's saying something. At least back then they putting out games people were willing to shell out $500/600 for a PS3.
Seems to me their games are selling great
I got the original ps3 when I was deployed in Afghanistan. Paid $800 at the PX
They’re actually in a far better position then they were back then, and Remwber we learned from the AVBK acquisition that Microsoft was in a third to Sony and Nintendo during the whole 360 era.
are we gonna talk about the comeback that helldivers has made for a week now??
Helldivers 2 was a great example, only thing I’d point out is that it was the studio devs who ruined the player base by nerfing a PvE game to oblivion
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@@gl8862 You must be one of Arrowhead's famously pleasant community managers.
Luckily they got their shit together and practically either reverted or buffed everything. Still will hold them for taking so long to realize that was something they should do
@@gl8862 🤣🤣🤣good one
@@Lobotomy_cat ... which they then followed up with a massive increase to player damage, making armor effectively worthless, and stealth buffing numerous enemies that absolutely did not need it.
The problem I have with Fairgames is a problem I have with every team-based competetive PvE game that's not asimetric enough - balancing.
Sneak tactics being the pervasive means of play, those starting the objectives always being at a disadvantage which always ends with frustration. And frustrated playerbase is not a healthy playerbase, not in a long run.
seeing the character creator for new dragon age game makes me wish for early grave
it's a shame that helldivers 2 became a victim of sony's management failure
GoY will be the next firestorm for Sony, the game will be a super disappointment as they try to shoehorn in messaging that should be left out of games.
If messaging has to be in a game, then do it with style, aplomb, dignity and intelligence. Messaging has been a thing since forever in entertainment, but do it well, if you have to do it at all. Messaging done well is subtle in most cases, whereas modern gaming has no delicate touch when it comes to their product and messaging. We all suffer, both sides suffer when bad games are released.
bungie cancelling the last of us live service only to greenlit concord is so funny
Good time to start plowing through that backlog of games.
As someone who hates live service games, I love seeing them fail.
Sony really is running blind, i mean, everyone that actually plays games know what we want; a new Twisted Metal, specially after de TV series. A remake/remaster or even a sequel of Bloodborne, hell, could you imagine a new Killzone? Sometimes it feels like these companies like to make it harder for themselves lol
Well the problem is none of those games sold any where as well as dumb ass gammers want to think the did. Sony dose know from the actual sales data that the games you virtues single name dropped we’re never as popular as other games they make.
Its just another example of companies falling due to greed and hubris
I'm just sad I can't buy Ghost of Tsushima or any other PlayStation studio game that comes out in the following years (living in Vzla). Only the high seas now, and I actually wanted to buy them. Sad times man.
You can. Get a PS5 and buy the disk
@@skurinski I'm a PC player with all my games and money invested in Steam and GOG, so nah thanks.
@@dazt6hman of culture
Wait you can't buy any of the new games?
@@JessFromMead correct any of the countries not covered by PSN aren't able to buy the games on Steam anymore, I can buy any game pre-Helldivers, but anything that came out after it deleted itself from my Wishlist and no longer appears on search (Ghost of Tsushima and GoW Ragnarok were on my wishlist and now they don't even appear on my Search bar on Steam)
Sony 8 years ago: “ we need more women in tech!”
Helldivers 2 is carrying Sony right now!!! (could’ve made even more if they lifted the restricted countries)
The funny thing is they did by removing the login requirement, and yet they’ve done nothing to ACTUALLY return it lmao
True.
Absolutely not true. As much as I love HD2 and SONY effed up, the countries locked behind have borderline zero purchasing power. Now sure, makes zero sense locking the countries out, but let’s not pretend Afghanistan or most African countries would make them millions… SONY already made their money for HD2…
@@FishoD That's asinine, numbers would still rise no matter what, if you restrict your product, your bound to get less numbers.
No one cares for the gamers outside of the US and EU anyways, Helldivers 2 is cooked and will never properly bounce back regardless. If I were you all, I’d just look for better PVE games that will be worth the time and money than Arrowhead’s embarrassment of a sequel.
The impact of Sony's treatment of the Helldivers 2 players went beyond the player base. I observed it from the sidelines, and thought to myself that I am not prepared to support that kind of anti consumer behaviour with my money.
I've been a PS console player since the first generation, but now I've switched to buying my games on PC. Am I sad that I won't get to play Ghost of Yōtei?
Absolutely. Is it worth it to me to not support the decisions that Sony has been making? Definitely.
The problem with capitalism has always been, why shouldn't you make more money when you can? Then proceed to ignore everything that makes a society function, a culture flourish, a people happy, morals upheld, beauty created, passions fulfilled, health of the economy preserved, prosperity for all, and humanity championed.
The irony is so thick. My rebuttal got shadow banned and a high likes comment being relegated so low in exposure.
suddenly I can hear some slightly overweight electrically charged man coming rapidly towards your location with a steel chair...
Capitalism has nothing to do with this game failing you goofball. Capitalism is the reason your mom bought you a pc and your ps5.
This game failed because of woke Marxistsx democrat hires at the studio
Capitalism failed? Bro capitalism is the reason you have your ps5 or hi end pc. These games are failing because of woke dei hires and ideology at the core of studios of weirdos that are the views of 5 percent of the total population
And the problem with Marxism is you shove me concord and call me a bad person if I don’t want it
And what would be the solution to all the benefits you describe, if not Capitalism? If you blame Capitalism for this travesty, you must admit that Capitalism has given us video games in the first place.
Live service games will not die when we have Fortnite making 26billion; Destiny 2 having over 100k concurrent players most of its life; and mobile games raking in billions a year.
Sony could make God of War AND games like Concord. They’re investing way too heavily into live service games.
With the 200 million from Concord (confirmed cost) they could have made 2 single player games and 1 live service. Assuming it was 400m, that could have been at least 4 new IP’s. Publishers are getting greedy… but thankfully Indies are dominating.
People talking about "this is capitalisms fault" are the peak of stupidity. Completely misguided and uneducated.
Dont know what you are talking about. Communist countries gaming and entertainment industry is peak. Just look at..... hmm.... oh
@@cirescythe lmao
No, this IS peak capitalism. Why make millions when you can make billions? Sony wants to make that GTA online money. They know that if they can just make one of those, it will be “worth it”. You aren’t thinking like a capitalist. We normies would be happy to just be profitable. That’s not capitalism. Capitalists want MAXIMUM profit, profit at ALL COSTS.
@@LB-yg2br capitalism = when stupid greedy people try stupid greedy stuff. For sure. The ignorance and over simplification is impressive.
Let me know when you grow up and graduate highschool 🤣
@@LB-yg2br "capitalism is when stupid greedy people try stupid greedy thing"
Bro 💀
Maybe try looking up the definition of capitalism, you've completely lost the plot
These were made for the "modern game audience" that does not buy the game console , does not buy the game.
I love how there's an arms race among youtubers making videos on the concord disaster. Started at $100m now it's $1b. Within a week we're going to see a thumbnail with the blue coat character and a streamer doing shocked thumbnail face.. "Sony's $30 trillion mistake. Was Concord worse than World War 2!?"
Halfway through the video and he hasn't even mentioned Concord, did you even watch the video before constructing your strawman?
The entire point of the video is Sonys shift into live service, he hardly even mentions Concord
@@DevilYouKnow77it's a joke!
I think Foamstars had promise, IF the game would have been a coop and not a PvP game. Been a PvP game make it a less interesting Splatoon game but if you had your heroes fighting to clean the city in a race against other teams. That could have resonated more with people... Helldivers with bubbles if you like
Im just starting to think that its the new generation of higher middle class people who are the minority in the world that are just out if touch of what the average person let alone gamer wants. They are terminally online on social media and stuck in echo chambers. A majority of them have never even had to go thru true struggles or adversity, so they cant make meaningful or fun stories
I don't understand the backwards logic of Sony. They make a game and expect it to be popular. How the hell do they know what will be popular? Just make good games first and then turn the popular ones into multi-platform-media franchises. Epic never expected Fortine to be such a massive hit, it kinda happened.
This experiment did not bring us Helldivers 2. Arrowhead made a good game with Helldivers and they made a sequel worthy of that game PlayStation had nothing to do with it.
I seriously think people overblow the impact of Sony's SP games.
The funny thing is, there's currently only 1 Sony first party game that's PS5 only that I can think of, Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart. The only reason I'm not counting Returnal is because Sony bought that studio after Returnal launched. And I'm not counting PC ports either.
And you might say "What about Last of Us 2 Remastered", you answered your own question, "Remastered". I don't count PS4 remastered games because they are playable on the PS5, and illustrates my point: Sony can't rely on their SP offerings only. The reason Sony was so scared of losing COD was because it makes a huge amount of revenue for them. And its all because Sony relies on everyone else to pad out their numbers between releases of their "big hits". Sony has backed themselves into a corner. The PS5 will not sell more than the PS4, I can pretty much guarantee that. The PS6 won't either. Console market is stagnant. Has been ever since the PS2 era. Seriously, if you add up the totals of the PlayStation and Xbox consoles since the PS2 era, you get 180 million consoles sold each "generation" give or take.
This is why Sony was trying to break into the Live Service model, but Sony only knows how to market and sell "hits". They don't know how to make or market anything else. And it's nice and dandy to say "well, they just need to keep making hits" but those take too long to make and cost too much, and Sony backed themselves into a corner of only knowing how to make and market these types of games anymore. Seriously, they are sitting on a huge treasure trove of IP... yet the CEOs of PlayStation, and even Sony, keep crying they don't have IPs.
And to all those who cling to "Exclusives", you're the reason Sony's dying. The gaming market has changed. And unless your name's Nintendo, your game's don't carry enough weight.
They need to also release on PC as well because thats another 2-4 million in sales. Do it day 1 stop waiting 3 to 4 years...
Trueing
They think that it will make PC gamers buy consoles. But most of the ones that _would_ buy consoles, _already have them._
Well at least with the recent update Helldivers 2 is back, still being undermined by Sony though
bro this video is TOO good. Can we get a behind the these of making this type of content.
It is people that have never played a video game running the video game industry.
I still don't echo this sentiment that HD2 should get away with monthly paid content updates and premium store just because it is _technically_ possible to earn the supercredit ingame if you play the game nonstop and waste time running after otherwise mostly useless tertiary objectives in hopes of supercredit drops. I don't respect a game that disrespects player time like that. if the game makes you run chores to earn premium currency instead of focusing on the best parts of the game and naturally rewarding organic play, the monetization system is actively making the game worse.
Problem when management aren't gamers.
If Sony was smart, they'd poll their playerbase on what games they'd be most interested in seeing.
But Sony isn't smart.
Case and point: Bungie.
At this point. It sounds like all the big companies are reaching the end of their empires.
Sony pissing away it's prestige with short-sighted greedy decisions reminds me of when HBO turned into MAX
The problem is that, Sony have tasted that success, from launching AAA high quality games instead of live service slop, the PS4 was extremely successful because of that, so they know the fomula works, yet they choose to pursue live service slop, all that money/time and work could've went into making great AAA single player experiences. PS5 sold well because of the success of PS4, the PS5 pro and PS6 will not benefit from that success, they lost their advantage.
"I hope these failing, will make them stop make these games." Maybe. Warner Bros. decided to double down. Executive brain rot is rampant these days.
As uninspired as Concord is, I kind of felt like Foamstars is in some ways worse, mostly due to it being a blatant rip-off of Splatoon. Something about that one actually annoyed me. I honestly don’t think they got past “Splatoon, but with humans on a different console” in the design phase. It’s so naked in its ambitions that it’s no wonder nobody is playing it. The kicker is that game is still going. I guess the moral is, if you’re gonna rip off a game, rip off something novel and you won’t have to shut down your servers after two weeks.
TLDW: Instead of focusing on quality, Sony chose to suckle on live service teets.
There is one problem with live services. People wanting to play Fortnite,LOL,DoTA or CS...don't need bugged, unfinished, with barebones of content replacements. Invent something new to pull these players to your game or copy trends and keep losing money.