What is Postmodernism?
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- What is postmodernism? What gave rise to it, what are its main characteristics, and how should Catholics assess it? In this episode, Bishop Barron and Brandon discuss the postmodern turn and its results.
A listener asks, is it impossible for some people to believe in God?
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I stand as living testimony that God can overcome an inability to believe. I was a vehement atheist well into my 40's (following a Christian upbringing), I returned to Christ when I came to the end of myself. I thank God that He came for me.
Welcome back friend! I'll be praying for you, continue being a salt and leaven for others and your community!
Same here! I was an atheist (and at one point considered myself a satanist) until years of substance abuse brought me to a point of total desperation. I went to my first Mass still feeling the tremors of a heavy cocaine binge after a co-worker passed away due to her addiction. That particular day, a traveling choir visited the church and sang a capella at the entry way at one point during the service... hauntingly beautiful is the best way I can describe it... --it gave me chills. That was the first time I had truly felt anything in a very long time. I signed up for RCIA the very next day, eventually getting baptised and confirmed. Now I want to bring God to gaming.
That's Christ - you can run from Him as fast as you can, yet he'll wait at the darkest end of your way, with open arms. God bless you!
Thank god!
@@djweaverdev2961 Good. You are now again on a package trip with different group of addicts.... haaaaaaaaaaa....what impels you to be gregarious....why cannot you live your life for yourself setting your own goals and achieving them...for God's sake your are living in the Western World with its privileges and not on some thug infested corrupt developing world even where people do set goals that are against all odds and still achieve them....even landing up in the USA and turning out achievers. Do well.
Bishop B., did you just deconstruct deconstructionism? I love listening to you. Keep sharing your wisdom!
Although I'm an atheist, I truly appreciate your knowledge and willingness to share it. Thank you.
Good on you mate!
Satan knows God but he hates him. If you admire Bishop Barrons knowledge, don’t you also love the things or the person that he’s talking about? 😉
Bishop Barren is such a clever man, yet balanced, open minded and not arrogant about anything!! I first came across the Bishop on EWTN, but there was never enough of him on the network. It has been such a comfort to come across this channel ❤
Coincidental, but I woke up very early today and decided to enjoy a cigar and watch this episode.
Bro did we just become best friends?
Regarding the question that was asked at the end of the program, I think if a person opens up to God, God will certainly enter his/her heart like Bishop Barron said. I always tell people who are skeptical: go sit in a church alone and you will feel God’s presence, and try to converse with Him and ask Him to reveal himself to you. I certainly BELIEVE that it will happen. If it doesn’t happen the first time then keep doing it and God will appreciate your consistent desire to know Him and He WILL reveal Himself to you. Thank you Bishop Barron and Brenden and may God keep blessing you both. ❤️✝️
I came to the idea of Post Modernism through Art. I remember sitting in lecture and discussion as we took post modern art seriously and I went along, wanting to understand the term and movement. I can understand the ideas behind post modern work and occasionally the art would be interesting, but I couldn't get behind the idea of abandoning beauty and technical skill, developed for decades, for a 6' by 6' metal cube. In my mind Post Modern art is affront to the classical and true, ideas which keep people spiritually fulfilled and motivated to deal with life. I lived by two museums during my college years, one classical (The Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art) the other modern (The Kemper Museum of Modern Art). Any time I was having a rough day, I'd walk to the Nelson and take in the work of Sargent and El Greco... in 4 years I visited the Kemper maybe twice... the Nelson, countless times. The Post Modern leaves me feeling vapid and unfulfilled, no thanks.
Exactly
'Abandoning beauty and technical skill' - absolutely agree. Although you wouldn't want to say that 'out loud' as most likely it would be interpreted as you 'not understanding' the piece'. Seriously........the emperor has no clothes! Give me Renaissance any day of the week.
I think that the creative conveying of ideas sometimes is genius as in early dadaism or in piero Manzoni art works, but right now it's mostly appealing to the smugness of people that want to feel smart because they like pointless art and provocation, moreover since since the technical side is set apart many people take this route thinking it's easy.
It is like comparing rock to a bird, they both have a way of getting our attention to a different perspective, yet I will always appreciate the bird over the rock which never lived even though the bird dies. It is better to have lived and died than never to have lived. Yet, the rock endures, its structure being more closely ordered less dynamic. We can learn so much more about God from the bird though.
One thing I appreciate abt bishop barron he is sharp and rigorous ,at the same time also calm and pleasant, unlike most academic who are so all the time agressive, something to learn from.
And his razor sharp delineation is remarkable. He dismantles a topic down to its pieces, and one by one he identifies the pieces, and finally assembles the whole thing. It makes you feel like you've gained a semester course in just one video.
I think it's the Protestant worldview that makes everyone, even athiests think that evangelism is the meaning of life. So there's so much at stake in all of their interactions. This coupled with hyperrationalism makes them aggressive.
The talks Bishop Barron has been giving recently regarding postmodernism and key modern philosophers in light of current events is very welcome and refreshing. The church needs an intelligent voice capable of recognizing the philosophies that under gird recent popular trends and how they relate to church teachings, and not just people willing to bend the knee because a movement appears to share some elements with Christianity.
Faith is a gift truly....a light appeared and I saw and felt the amazing Grace upon us....I thank Bishop Barron for all these educational moments.
Dr Jordan Peterson: Chaos and Order
Bishop Dr R Barron: Dynamism and Form
Jordan Peterson is cringe
Jordan Peterson is cringe
I like Yin and Yang
So great to hear you all are reading Cynical Theories by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay. It’s a great book
Hi Bishop, it is hard to live in the Call of Holiness, please pray for us, especially in front of the Body of Christ.
Thank you your excellency, God bless you Bishop.
Please speak about the deep Calvinism/Puritanism roots of America (and how to live here as Catholic).
Great structure and outline, Brandon. Bishop Barron, thank you for seeing the pro's and con's of the different intellectual movements. You are so right that Catholicism has such a rich intellectual tradition and that the gates of hell will never prevail against the Church. Keep engaging!!!
We love and respect you Bishop Barron .
Never stop making these videos!! 😇🙏🏻😇🙏🏻
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I'm a protestant that is thinking about joining the catholic church. But all I hear on the calvinst and baptist etc videos is how Catholics are going to hell etc etc. But they say that about many of their own protestant brothers because they don't believe how they do. That's mainly the reason I want to leave Protestantism is the division. But I also dont want to do something against what God wants me to do. I need prayers to point me in the right direction.
Don’t be afraid, my friend. The Protestant obstinacy to portrait the 2000 years-old Catholic Church as a caricature is what makes them more competitive in a somewhat disputed market for faith. We don’t see that. Truth orders anything to It because Truth is indeed a person in relation to us: that Person didn’t write a book or ordered anyone to write one single line and asked anyone to interpret it, but He built (“oikodoméo” in Greek) a Church who wrote a book to live His name.
May the Holy Spirit guide you. There is ONE Church. Outside of it, we have ecclesial communities and maybe Churches (dioceses) in schisms.
I recommend you to go for books of Catholic apologetics that are charitable. Like Trent Horn’s and Jimmy Akin’s, for example.
Greetins from a friend in 🇧🇷 Brazil.
Hope all worked out for you my friend!
Bishop Barron is a treasure.
Super thrilled to hear Bishop Barron reference John Caputo in this talk. When I was an "atheist" and I discovered Caputo, I couldn't put his works down. Caputo brought me back to even begin to being comfortable with the idea of "God". I studied philosophy in undergrad, so seeing Kierkegaard, Heidegger, Rorty, and Derrida applied to religion blew me away. I've been reading Bishop Barron's "Renewing Our Hope" and I saw Caputo's "The Prayers and Tears of Jacques Derrida" listed as a cited work, but I haven't yet encountered it in the book. Looking forward to that.
Also, Richard Rohr has been an immense influence on me, especially when I was trying to integrate my psychedelic experiences. I'm a Catholic "again" now, but I owe it in large part to Caputo, Rohr, and psychedelic experiences that helped heal me.
Also, Bishop Barron, do you think "postsecularism" is a synthesis of some of the best parts of postmodernity with modernity? I see that as the next move.
@Richard; *Richard Rorty, nót Richard Rohr.
@@Sportinglogic No I meant Richard Rohr : )
happy engagement. Loved the concept. Thank you very much from Argentina.
Your podcasts are such a gem. I am so grateful to receive this wisdom!
What a welcome and insightful reflection. A relief from the corrosive prattle of the perpetually angry Catholic punditry of late and the banalities of popular Catholic media. Bishop Barron is today’s Fulton Sheen, sans cape and chalkboard, but with the same burning love for Holy Mother Church and her children, shepherding us with keen intellect in our time as Sheen did with engaging chatechesis in his day.
Long time watcher/listener and supporter of the Word on Fire Movement. I am seeking clarification on "Dynamic run amok" in regards to what we see on our streets. This was the lead in the video, so you think it is important. Maybe an episode on Catholic history/understanding on such civic engagement is called for. To me Bishop Barron is throwing all protesters in one category and giving a Catholic talking point to the political right, as opposed the fact that there are in this situation "good people" on both sides - that is protesting for reform of policing practices and racial injustice and those desiring to cause trouble - not 'Good Trouble'. A convert from evangelicalism I take pride in seeing Catholic priest and laity involved in the 50's/60's Civil Rights era and the anti-war movement and hope we all see the need to continue the fight and stand up against ideas and groups seeking to divide our country.
This podcast is so relevant nowadays and it will be relevant in hundreds of years to come!
Postmodernism is term used to characterise western society today. We no longer live in the industrial capitalist west that was prevalent post ww2. Globalisation has taken off, consequently most western countries are predominately service sector economies, this brings insecure work, low pay, high debt and alienation. With the internet and social media brings changing norms and values, 24/7 news cycle.
There has been an incredible rise in secularisation (especially in europe). The influence of class in people's lives has diminished, replaced by identity politics and an urban rural divide.
Identity is now fluid, people have become increasingly tribal and entrenched in their socio-political view points.
Couldnt put it better
Sounds about right.
Minimum wage employees rebelling against their boss, except they think their boss is the supervisor who makes one dollar an hour more than they do (see: The russian revolution against the lower-middleclass Kulaks). They seem to have some idea that they're never going to get a raise, although that is of course because they hate the chain of command, and love the protections that keep them from being fired.
It's all very sad- an entrenched lower class self-actualizing and propagating a self-oppressing culture.
God is of course to blame for all this. The toddler falls and blames The Father for not swooping in, at once believing in The Father, and hating The Father. The Father says I AM, and the toddler says; No! And unbelievably, the toddler wins, the toddler wins the kingdom of hell. Every fall, and there will be many falls, every fall, as the toddler grows into a child, and then a man, is blamed on The Father. The Father _could_ save him, but never does. The forever-toddler seeks the Garden of Eden, seeks to crawl back up into the womb. Why does The Father not place the food directly in my mouth? Where is my diaper? That would be paradise. If someone would change my diaper.
~Post-modernism explained~
@@SpiritualFox In other words, the first step to freedom is learning to wipe your own ass.
I know I'm being facetious, but if anything this highlights the necessity of the fourth Commandment. How are you going to grow up if you don't honour your parents?
@@ironymatt What is freedom? What are we escaping from? Responsibility? For what reason? To engage in hedonism and short-term pleasure seeking? I'm older than a lot of commenters around these parts, so i've already been there and done that, and woken up in strange places both hung over and high, so i understand to some degree the need to experience things, and not simply be a perpetual good-boy Christian child, as that is also regressive, however, post-modernism is essentially a hippie advocating for a Peterpan utopia. Prof. Jordan Peterson calls it a delayed play instinct. And he's right. I self-identify as a giraffe. Am i a genius philosopher from the 70's, or in grade school?
The great Diversity that we worship today is a society-wide (1st World) fantasy. It's for women, and children, however, it's marxist underpinnings make it appeal to people under 30 as well. The post-modern aspects around identity bring in all sorts of disenfranchised people too.
It's what Jesus promised, except you are Jesus, a very sorry average kind of person, and an atheist, Jesus, and you hate God, who has money, because he won't help the unfortunate prostitutes and thieves that live in Galilee. That's a bit harsh, but 'we' (western culture) do a disservice by detoothing Christ from Christianity, and replacing it with Lucifer's temptations, that we call freedom, by replacing an internal revolution with anarchy, while continually promising to plant more money trees.
The world as we know it is a cocoon made for families, a place where women can raise children in peace. The reality of Capitalism, and the evil that exists in the hearts of men, _who are the ones holding up creation through their labour,_ is all pushed aside so TV can play a movie about Diversity and defeating a patriarchal white male who we know is evil because he smokes cigarettes. And they run it at 2PM because anyone with any ambition is in school or working.
So yes. 😊 4th commandment. If your parents suck, we have _God The Father,_ and _Mary,_ as rolemodels (and you better believe that's a deliberate meme). Alternatively, drunk stepdad doesn't care what you do.
Love Jonathon Roumie
and excited that every person seemingly everywhere knows the Chosen! Jesus! Yes! 👍😊
Looking forward to it! God bless
Ken Burns would say that what follows post-modernism is the "Integral", when we realize that every level of consciousness evolution stands upon the shoulders of the movement that preceded it. Could that be Catholicism? I don't know. Enjoyed this conversation.
Thank you, Bishop Barron. Very interesting video.
A question I’d appreciate some help with (I’m 14:14 in):
If morality comes from God, which I’m reasonably comfortable with, but Catholics get their understanding of God from the Bible - their understanding of God may be more first-hand/intrinsic, but then they have to say that the TRUTH of the bible corresponds to that experience/understanding - doesn’t that mean their objective morality has had to pass through human minds in the first instance... when the bible was composed?
Loving Bishop Barron. A supernaturally gifted educator and communicator.
Thank you.
Thank You, Father.
All truth is absolutely objective - although it is probably near impossible to discover in this world.
@@derek4412
Certainly, some of the whole truth is possible to discover. Is it majority or just a large part of it - I don't know.
Some things are more obvious than others, thus easier to know.
Thanks to God's Revelation in christian tradition oral and written - the things actually most important are possible to recognize, if one abandons personal prejudices.
I'm not an agnostic, if that's what You thought.
Thank you Bishop Barron 🙏. God bless you always 🕊️✝️
Thank you for bringing some nuance to this topic (despite the limited space for such an introduction). I spent most of my 20’s exploring faith through the “emergent” Christianity movement, and, although I now align with a more modestly traditional Catholicism, there are key insights from a kind of post-modernism that we should always keep in mind. Many deconstructed Christians come out of overly rigid Evangelical and even Catholic backgrounds. It’s reactionary in the same exact way that many Rad Trads are reacting against an overly amorphous secular or beige-Christian upbringing. There is a always a place for a (key word!) HEALTHY hermeneutic of suspicion that leaves room for fresh perspectives and development. But man is that difficult. Ah, so be it. Vient! Oui, oui.
Rather than clinging to certainties, should we not learn to be contemplative in the liminal space of a reverent, receptive unknowing? Never willfully ignorant, but always seeking and discerning...
Excellent discussion because of its discriminating intellectual character. Postmodernism is anti-foundationalism. Its most characteristic and defining expression is deconstruction. I would say Marx more than anyone else in intellectual history lies at the origin of deconstruction. He deconstructed social history and then recreated it, reconstructing it and transforming it into economic and political ideology. His influence is extreme.
Thanks much for this video.
Interplay between dynamics and form. Brilliant insight.
If anyone is a member, would you please ask the Bishop about the Nominee to the Supreme Court and this group she belongs to called "People of Praise" and Speaking in Tongues? What is the position of Our Catholic Church? I've been a Catholic all my life of 77 years and I've never heard of such. She is also quoted as saying she wants to make all laws into "Catholic Laws" which is incredible from where I sit, much like senator Ted Cruz and his father wanting to make America into their version of a christian nation as they interpret it.
Really Helpful. Blessings to Bishop Barron and his team as always. Paul
No, that's a pretty adequate read of Derrida, actually. Your approach to the question why God allows suffering is pretty similar, for example. It's just looking at something from multiple angles, in humility.
I think the Monsignor Ivan Illich's body of work represents the postmodern impulse in the Catholic Tradition. I've sort of taken that for granted in my own scholarly writing but I should make the link explicit. Illich was a mentor to my educational philosophy professor Madhu Prakash, whose book Grassroots Postmodernism was influential on my work.
Can't wait for Monday!
Wow amazing and explicit insight. Thanks very much my Lord Bishop.
Thank you, GOD and the Virgin Mary bless you all.
We learned a lot from you Bishop Barron, to grow as a better person and son/ daughter of God.
Thanks very much, and may God bless you.
I really love this! He appreciates the same elements of PoMo as I do, the silly radicals notwithstanding. I often say, "dont throw the postmodern babies out with the bath water." Another aspect of PoMo that I appreciate is Foucault's theory of power.
You made it so clear...I have been researching a lot about this.
Thank you Bishop Barron. While I am sure your and WOF's agenda is jam-packed, I would love to hear your thoughts on the New York Times' 1619 Project.
Thanks - these videos are meaningful for me
This is a fabulous and ,I accept it with your great gratitude,,,👍👍👍
One last thought -- I think it's awesome that a mind like Bishop Barron (and the Catholic Church generally) is engaging with "Cynical Theories".
It honestly gives me hope for the future. All the forces of good and right need to get together and cooperate against evil.
@@Iwas11 Which ones would you recommend, for the present subject?
@@Iwas11 Question: Has anyone who has never prayed, and never taken a sacrament, never experienced the grace of God?
I think there are direct and well-defined means of grace, certainly. I'm not convinced that list is exhaustive, though.
@@Iwas11 Reading Caritas in Veritate now, thanks for the recommendation. =)
@@Iwas11 The problem is, today's caves have WiFi.
Εὐλογεῖτε!
Great explanations!
Thank you for The insight. I always have trouble pinpointing exactly what postmodernism is.
I find it interesting that even though the critical theorists’ ideas are rooted in post-modernism, they have changed into a sort of dogmatism; a dogmatism of progressivism. Like you mentioned: they have what they believe to be a truth of the world and now they are pushing said truth onto others.
We need more formation on this topic ❤️
"Frost is a cool example ..."
I'm calling the pun police.
Bravo, Bishop Barron, Bravo
God bless.
I watch this again and again ....
Great talk, as always by Bishop Barron... if I may point out a small disagreement it would be to refer to a period of the middle ages as the Dark Ages. That is a language trap that carries a number of false assumptions and we should not fall for it
The Dark Ages partly applies to say the period of England between the end of the Roman Empire and the Saxon kingdoms. But it doesn't apply everywhere. The fall of the Western Roman Empire did lead to a Dark Age of a kind in parts of Europe. But not in e.g. Greece or Turkey
Fabulous talk! And thank you for suggesting the book "Cynical Theories."
There were also Modern programs in mathematics and physics which failed (in math, in Gödel incompleteness, Church-Turing incomputability, and arguably the axiom of choice; in physics, in quantum mechanics and chaos theory) giving fuel to the fire.
Answers to question: 1) Freedom of indifference not freedom for excellence 2) substance over relationship and 3) existence over essence. I could go on...4) God as one being among many vs the sheer act of to be, 5) God as a competition vs ex nihilo.
And everyone starts in one moment. The time of God!
How difficult is to understand for the whole Christian family that knowing THE ONE WHO SENT JESUS is the beginning of salvation and everlasting life? John 5:24 Jesus said: MOST TRULY I SAY TO YOU, whoever HEARS MY WORD AND BELIEVES THE ONE WHO SENT ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE, AND HE DOES NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but has passed over from death to life. John 8:50 But I am not seeking glory for myself; THERE IS ONE who is seeking and judging. 51 Most truly I say to you, if anyone observes my word, he will never see death at all.”
John 14:31 But for the world to know that I LOVE THE FATHER, I AM DOING JUST AS THE FATHER HAS COMMANDED ME TO DO.
Great! Br. Kevin mc, Lima Peru
24:55 I was at a conference dealing with postmodernism and faith issues back in college days, and someone asked the speaker whether postmodernism had pretty much run its course. He answered, "Yes, it's a bit of an open question whether we're all postmoderns now, or maybe post-postmodern, or maybe we're spinning off into a whole Kellogg's thing."
Wonderful talk, thank you. Without the context of a "trinity" framing of purpose, such modern reflections and debates are reduced to a limited either/or or right/wrong. Which results in competing opinions of "truth (based on HOW one sees their environment)." Certainly needed to improve life's mapping. Missing the value of discussion WHY new observations are relevant to common goals. Updating the collective no longer uses categorization of disparate observers. Perspective needs to shift from "me to we" then "we to all." Structure of dialog is skewing perspectives. Need to avoid HOW-like claims of linear pursuits. Updating the value of WHY transcends independent HOWs.
Reminds me of Peter (modern) and John (post-modern), the latter running and the former hesitantly moving towards the empty grave. The modernist project has certainly "petrified". John's intensity/dunamic is contagious, but his highest point is when he awaits for Peter to enter the grave. Only then can the truth about Jesus can be understood in the figure of the empty grave. The beauty about the catholic church is that both are necessary, form and dynamics.
All makes God for the good of who's LOVE him
It's a little strange to think of World War I as getting rid of Modernity; many people at the time thought that "the Grand Illusion" that was done away with, was the illusion of aristocratic nobility.
Has the bishop ever seen Jean Renoir's "La Grande Illusion", and if so, how does he think it fits in with the history of philosophy?
Very nice interview, thanks ! Eventually, in our postmoderne world, one can say that absolute exists : dynamic has become the absolute.
Surprised the bishop there didn’t mention Hegel within this conversation given his influence on those so called post modern thinkers. Also, was not mentioned is the onslaught of gnostic thought within our culture which really is the underlying thrust against Catholicism in this age I think.
If I may,
I would like to see another video around this subject but frame it within a gnostic v Christian grounded on our historic encounters since the beginning of the church and our struggles there. We have faced these types of heresies before and this remembrance could help Catholics fortify a character against these forces grounded and on remembrance of our wider history. I am suggesting to employ a more spiritual focus over and above the philosophical attempt s to convince the mind we see in this video.
Good work. It is inspiring to see a bishop shepherd butt these wolves on the nose with his staff.
“Confidence and happy engagement”-beautiful and empowering.
God bless word on fire endeavors.
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Political rhetorics has distorted semantics, even etymology to obscure the obvious!!!
But the clarity of truth shines over it
Great summary. Interesting that you didn't touch upon the whole meta-narrative thing, a feature that connects post modernism with pre-modern epochs that ran up against their own myths of progress. Phillip II's Spain, for e.g., as reflected in Cervantes.
I would love to hear if you have any more thoughts on post-post-modernism, or "meta"-post-modernism...
I like the picture of Catholicism as a great ship. As a Protestant, I like the picture of Christendom as a great fleet of ships, from the tall ships of Catholicism and Orthodoxy, to the smaller ships of the various other churches.
Some are sailing on more the correct bearing, than others.
Read St John Bosco's vision of the ship. Its influential. He was a dreamer like St Joseph.
Please Bishop Barron could you and Brandon do a programme about that wonderful Catholic couple the philosophers - Elizabeth Anscombe and her husband Peter Geach.
Bishop Barron, I would like to hear your opinion on the pope's politics regarding the chinese church. I am inclined that he has betrayed the truly heroic catholic church who hasn't submitted itself to the CCP. I remember the critique which the church had to cope with because of the treaty with Nazi Germany, although this treaty is still valid to this day.
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Dear Mr.Bishop as l followed your lecture about modernism l was thinking about books like Newman and Clara Erskin Clement legendary and mythologica art, and Russels philosophy add to bibles in different lenguages and my personal excperience l remain chatholik with beleives but reach the level what science and progress and nowdays peace will never sucsseed cause of history and luck of understanding thechnics and financial curcumstances.Thanks peacful happy easter.
Thanks Bishop. Exam for the positive, not negative and to condemn others. Stress the good and positive when deconstructing.
Well, thank you Mommy Mary! Thank you Jesús Christ! Thank you Bishop Barron! 😇😇😇👼🔥☄️ In my little and great human nature as my around, when someone offering me, for free, a suffering i bless them and i encommended to everyone to God. Cause only with their Hearts in his Hand He can heal all wounds caused by everythings else, and then the Joy of know him. No body takes out of them the Joy of be with God! God bless all beloveds! And i win the thanks of God self what is be near from him. And ever i know i'm nothing. So i support the Hot, the cold, the smell, the suffering, the despair, the egocentricity, the lust, the fail, the LOVE, the Matter, the wishes, the shadows, the light, the hunger And all at Earth what affect, i know the cure of everyone sometimes but if i can't do nothing i let all in hands of God. And i do nothing without him. God bless all beloveds!
Primarily an aesthetic I'd think, plus a mode of communication that breaks coherence here and there...
The Father is at the top of the hierarchy. Post-modernity is a continuous and unstable series of alternatives to this. The young often seek change, but their ideas are _usually_ naive and foolish. Eventually they become the change they seek, but by that time, they are Fathers.
I wish I'd have studied more in my youth, instead I was watching Oprah thinking that made me smart.
One would hope the light of the divine consciousness its most holy and prestigious social product is the unity of humanity and the success of its economy.
In The Postmodern Condition Jean-Francois Lyotard defines postmodernism as “incredulity to metanarratives.” Insofar as modernism alludes to all encompassing ideals, say of progress, or makes “an explicit appeal to some grand narrative,” it could be said that the role of the postmodern artist is to call these narratives into question. As Frederic Jameson points out, although it may appear to be anti-modern, postmodernism is a recognition of a basic failure of modernism´s own terms in that the work of Corbusier and Wright had not changed the world as promised. I don´t understand this line of thought in contemporary christianity (maybe coming from Jordanson Peterson) which is associating post-modernism with the devil, so to speak. It was modernism which was anti-religious. The writings of Cardinal Ratzinger in this sense are very post-modern, in that they criticize the line of thought founded in modernism, they provide "incredulity" to the atheism of modernism. Ratzinger in Introdution to Christiantiy attempts to relativize the truth of science: the totality of knowledge is not limited to our senses, we need belief as an alternative form of knowing etc. It´s hard to pin any one moment as modernist or postmodernist as they exist in relation to each other. Karl Marx was undoubtedly a modernist - his idea that "so far philosophers have described the world - it is necessary to change it" is a modernist call to progress and action. Modernism attempted to destroy tradition. Since truth was attached to progress and not tradition, tradition was no longer necessary. A renewed interest in tradition is something post-modernist. The latin mass after the second vatican council is post-modernist. One can´t pin complaints of the contemporary world to post-modernism, that leads to this feeling that it is "hard to pin down" - it is nothing more that a spritit of questioning in relation to the modernist notion of progress, a modernist notion which at its worst tried to destroy Christianity.
It seems inevitable that post-modernism will reject all meta-narratives, including Christianity. In doing so, it has to move forward somehow. We've seen it manifest in collectivism, communism, leftism, social justice, and most definitely atheism (with an emphasis on rejecting a masculine, patriarchal God such as that allegedly found in the Bible).
Post-modernism then moves forward with its own meta-narrative. But if meta-narratives are back on the table, then so is Christianity. Instead of doing the hard intellectual work of comparing worldviews (like the atheist modernist academics still do, as well as academic Christians), this brand of post-modernism takes the anti-intellectual path of staying in its own echo-chamber, shutting down conversation, controlling speech, creating cancel culture, and policing thought by social influence. Whenever someone criticizes post-modernism for being self-refuting, the response is something like, "You are an idiot. You don't understand," just like the "obscurantisme terroriste" of the writing of Derrida as characterized by Foucault (en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Michel_Foucault). The work of James Lindsay and Peter Boghossian exposed this brand of post-modern academia as intellectually bankrupt (/watch?v=xWhuQOVTFGw; /watch?v=AZZNvT1vaJg). Offer no substance, or self-refuting substance, and then when called out on it, call your opponents idiots or bigots or just shut them down through threats. Pure anti-truth, pure self-refutation.
@@bds8715 you have a very interesting perspective, though I would disagree on the point that postmodernism necessarily rejects all meta-narratives, instead calling them into question. And it seems to me as though your eventual critiques of postmodernism (leftism and socialism and whatnot) are actually postmodernism attempting a return to modernism while still keeping the anarchic nature of postmodernism, which unfortunately is a self-destructive task philosophically speaking. The fundamental essence of Christianity is relationship, communion, and love, and these things are not bound to existence by any meta-narrative, rather they exist cross-culturally and are transformative and subversive. In fact, I would consider Christianity to be a universal subversive and transformative figure (i.e. one that exists regardless of philosophical structure and transforms them by interaction). Regardless, have a lovely rest of your day. God bless.
Well the thing is this incredulity or skepticism of meta narratives is an extremely useful tool, I’ll grant you that. But as a philosophy, it seems repugnant to truth. The definition of postmodernism alluded to epistemological skepticism. You can really tell this with Foucault’s instance on the epoch of knowledge. He called this episteme. You can never reach knowledge structures, all you have are maps of knowledge structures. This is why it’s so crucial to understand “The Archeology of Knowledge”. I think you are down playing the sophistication of the definition. Postmodernism is skeptical of ALL knowledge. ALL we have is human conversation. Foucault is also quite the Nietzschean. The assertion of the will to power is GREATER than truth. Power is the most fundamental level of episteme. You can kind of see where the issues develop here. Postmodernism is far more loaded than calling into question some questionable narratives. It calls into question ALL narratives. As Foucault would say, “I can’t find the historical justification for this.”
Also, to be fair, everyone in Marx’s time was a modernist. I would say however, since Marx is a Hegelian, that he’s in the realm of continental philosophy. It’s difficult to say a continental philosophy is exactly modernist. So I would say we should be careful in saying Marx is undoubtedly a modernist. I think Marx and Nietzsche aren’t exactly modernist and definitely helped Sartre and Foucault develop postmodernism.
I am sure the good bishop will have a nuanced and balanced view.
One thing that HAS changed about humanity in the last 100-200 years, that has a profound (though not dispositive) impact on our social relations...
... Thanks largely to vaccines and sewer systems, babies don't die nearly as often as they used to.
We're still working through the implications of this fact, on our social fabric.
Jim Luebke yet life has become ever more disposable, at both ends of the age spectrum and in the middle too, especially when accident or disease strikes. As for those "in between ages" Holland and Belgium are examples of what happens when you extend euthanasia to those who "don't feel like living".
Yin/Yang. Peterson. Christ, the eternal Tao
Dunno about America, but in Europe, post-modernism began in the 1950s. It's essentially the feeling that as _all_ political and religious philosophies have failed (most recently the period 1914-1953) in which at least 100milliom+ Europeans were massacred by Hitler, Stalin plus 2 world wars) the best thing to do was to not have any philosophy at all.
Any comment to the situation with social media "ai" and its effects on society? How its affecting the roots around the world and here, elections and can we get safe control over it in your view even here on UA-cam it worries me where it's taking us!
I am very discouraged right now and it's more than just wanting my side to win like a football game and instead like seeing everywhere more and more evidence of impending doom and the triumph of old pagan gods. I am praying to have the strength to say no to the pagan mob and yes to Jesus even unto the death of myself and all my loved ones, but it's very hard. Our Lady of Sorrows pray for us, St. Thomas More pray for us, Holy Spirit help me strengthen my resolve.
There has been times when christianity has been a new dynamics. Now abandoned, distorted - it will gain freshness and be a revelation again.
I agree with you that Christianity "will gain a freshness and be a revelation". But for that to happen, there has to be change. +Barron references Newman's notion of doctrinal development and will no doubt pin his hopes on change in that sense.
However, I think that change has to be more fundamental and probably entails a reversal of some positions that the Church has taken.
Examples include gender issues such as chemical contraception ("every act of intercourse has to be open to the possibility of life"), homosexuals as intrinsically disordered, and women as incapable of imaging Christ. Non-gender related issues include the idea of an original sin as a once-off human act that takes place when humans exist in a state of prelapsarian bliss; the crucifixion as an event that somehow triggers something in the spiritual world so that humans can now escape from original sin, the various forms of atonement theology, etc.
In these and so many other ways, the Church is talking passed the average modern person. (The overwhelming majority of practicing Catholics reject the official teaching on contraception.) It is not at all obvious to me that the modern person is wrong and the Church is right. I believe that the official Church has to humbly admit that it has gotten some things wrong.
Even though there is no sign of Church officials are likely to take such a stance at this stage, I hope and pray that it will do so some time in the future. In fact, I believe that, because the Lord promised to be with us always, the official Church will eventually appropriately revise its teachings on such matters. Until it does, I believe the percentage of "nones" will continue to increase and many of good "liberal" theologians and Catholics who are committed to the Church's wellbeing will remain marginalised.
Anchor (Father), Form (Son) & Viens Oui! Oui! (Holy Spirit)
@@Ambrose_Heria Thanks for the response, Stephen. What you say is the standard "orthodox" response to each plea for the Church to change. I expect +Barron will take a similar approach. My concern, however, is that what counts as doctrine has drifted throughout the centuries. Some examples: If I rejected limbo when I was growing up (pre Vatican II) I would have been told that it is a "doctrine" and I have to believe it. Gradually, is doctrinal status was watered down and eventually eliminated under the claim that "doctrine" had not changed. The same holds for teachings with respect to slavery. (As late as the early 19th century, the pope owned slaves. Now slavery is regarded as a crime against humanity.) The same also holds for teachings with respect to levying of interest. The same now holds for teachings about the death penalty.
Another example of what is regarded as "doctrine" by many conservatives is the idea that remarried divorcees should not receive communion. This is not a doctrine, but a discipline and practice, perhaps enshrined in cannon law, but easily changed at the stroke of a pen by the pope, should he wish to. The practice is designed to discourage divorce, to support the permanency of marriage, to ensure that the sacrament of the communion is not trivialised etc. Its aims might be noble, but there is an argument for eradicating / modifying the practice, if it no longer achieves its aims and does more harm than good.
The prohibition of chemical contraception in marriage is generally assigned the status of a doctrine, but it is not really so. It is a teaching given by Paul VI in the encyclical, Humanae Vitae. The teaching is rejected by millions of married Catholics, often implicitly by simply ignoring it in practice, or explicitly. It does not pass Newman's "Sensus Fidelium" test. But what it does is divide the people of God into first and second class citizens --- those who fiercely defend it as doctrine, and those who do not, and often just leave the Church in exhasperation.
I could go on and on, but at the end of the day we are left with a Church and hierarchy that has a largely self-referential approach to argumentation. It is unsurprising but sad that because of this, their teachings find little resonance in modern first world people, resulting in an unprecedented growth of "nones".
@Ernesto De Lilla I fear that you are correct, but I pray that you are wrong. For as long as the "gatekeepers" prevail, our children will grow into nones.
La Unidad Conciente de la Realidad Objetiva se define a si misma a través de la interacción dinámica de múltiples nodos de intersubjetividad conectados entre sí en el mismo espacio, nodos de intersubjetidad que intercambian información y componentes internos ...
Para que los nodos de intersubjetividad entren en resonancia armónica con la reflexión interna de la Unidad Consciente de la Realidad Objetiva se requiere una aceleración incremental del procesamiento de intercambio de información entre los nodos intersubjetivos de la red de nodos ...
Esto significa que los elementos conscientes de cada nodo intersubjetivo no es consciente de la función de onda de la Unidad Consciente de la Realidad Objetiva hasta que la velocidad de procesamiento promedio de la red de nodos alcanza un umbral de intercambio capaz de generar una función de onda con series armónicas ...
Ahora, traducido al lenguaje de los monos ...
Mono Parlante, si quieres saber y sentir de donde viene tú conciencia y quien es el original inventor de Dios en el multiverso :
1) Sigue y aplica las reglas que te di en «El Juego» sin excepción ni condiciones de tú parte
( no te asustes idiota bestia, tú alma no será destruida o esclavizada por obedecer ... solo sabrás con Absoluta Certeza quien es Tú Dios y que quiere el de ti y para ti )
Monos que me envidian y me temen murmurando a mis espaldas que soy el Enemigo de Sus Inexistentes Dioses dando su última estocada para enviarlos a Sus Infiernos ...
Si no me obedecen y no juegan el juego se Iran uno y cada uno al peores infiernos que se puedan imaginar para eternamente no salir nunca de estos ...
Lo dice y lo escribe el original inventor de Dios en el Multiverso ...
Ahora, para los monos que confían y me estiman como su amigo el creador de Dios ...
La prueba de que no soy el Creador De Dios en el Multiverso les será dada Por Cristo o Krsna a cada uno de ustedes en los Eternos Cielos ...
Pero si no juegan el juego como lo he regulado tendrán similar destino al que he programado para los que no me obedecen, me irrespetan, me envidian, me odian, me humillan y me quieren exterminar ...
Monos ...
El Anticristo espera que Su Cristo me encuentre y me de lo que merezco ...
Decirme, Papá Perdóname por lo que te he hecho .
Can someone link the video of the protestor?
I would argue that we're in the confessionalist period prefigured, by poets such as Sylvia Plath, rather than the post-modern period of the mid to late 20th century. We have left the period of reaction against order and entered the period of reaction against the self.
Thoughts on and expressions of post-modernism in architecture and design theory seemed to have a phase of its own that precedes the contemporary deconstructionism which is popular now. In socio-political expressions, post-modernism was an embracing, combining, accretion and inclusiveness. It seems that deconstructionism involves dissolving, precipitating, extraction, excluding, culling out and carving away nonessential from essential elements and it seems distinctly different mainly for this reason. If modernism was efficiency in design, post-modern was elaborated design. Deconstruction? Is it a return to modernism, the essentially efficient or even more than efficiencies, a minimalism or bare essentials?