This is fantastic. Thank you. I have some great films that are not even out on DVD, let alone Blu-ray, but I have them on Laserdisc. I have the Hauppauge box thing from years back, and they complicated it with pictures, color detail, etc. I can do that on my PC.
If you have a Laserdisc player, there is possibly a better way to capture the analog on those discs using the LD-Decode method. I have not done it. But it's a fascinating story of how it came to be. In fact, this LD-Decode project forked off to create the VHS-Decode project, which is still a work in progress, but they share the same concept. For a deep dive, I recommend @RetroRGB video on this topic: ua-cam.com/video/klK4UZ5nlqs/v-deo.html
Capture guide built a windows XP computer. Custom built XP computers are the best for this because virtualdub works better with XP and the best cards require XP. The best cards are the ATI AIW like capture guide has. Windows 7 works well with Virtualdub but there are less cards that work with it. Windows 10 is busy and has a lot going on in the background and there are way less cards that work with it. I capture in Windows 10 with virtualdub because I wasn’t willing to build an XP computer. I keep my system offline because updates happen like every six months and can make your card not function. Cards are important but your biggest quality boost is going to come your VCR.
@ryanortega1511 I agree with what Duncan said. If you have a video capture card that runs only in a Windows XP computer, then use a pre-owned desktop computer that looks like it had WindowsXP installed on it. If you find one, try to find the model number and Google it to see the release date. About 2005 is probably the sweet spot for Windows XP computer that are relatively new You can find these pretty inexpensive on Facebook Marketplace. The Dell Optiplex GX260 was the last Dell to include an AGP slot on the motherboard. This is only relevant if you get a video capture card that connects via AGP (as opposed to PCI-express). Even if the person selling the computer updated the OS, you can reinstall WindowsXP SP2 to make it a Windows XP machine again. Apart from that, I would check to make sure that the computer case has two places for hard drives. You will use the first as as the system drive (C) and the second as the data drive (D). I put together the parts for my Windows XP computer, but that was probably overkill and I would have probably just followed my advice above. Here are the parts I used with a motherboard from 2007: Motherboard: Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA2) CPU: Intel Core2Duo E7500 (LGA775) RAM: Kingston 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM 800 (PC2 6400) HDD: WD 1TB HDD: Seagate BarraCuda 2TB Internal Hard Drive HDD ST2000DM008 Video card: ATI AIW 9600XT Sound card: Turtle Beach Santa Cruz (TB400) If you have a USB capture device that works best in Windows 7 (eg, ATI 600), then you will be able to buy a slightly newer computer. In fact, it might be a good idea to buy a pre-owned Windows 7 computer and use it exclusively for capture, even if you buy a more recent USB capture device, like the I-O Data GV-USB2, which runs in Windows 7. That way, you will avoid the issues of a Windows 10/11 OS update messing with the capture card drivers, etc. I have a Dell Inspiron 537 with Windows 7 installed. I used it as my capture device for the ATI 600. I have two hard drives installed. And it is fast enough for capture. Like my WindowsXP machine, it is not connected to a network/internet. I only use it for capture.
@@videocaptureguide Why invest in an old crappy computer as opposed to investing in a brand new M4 Mac Mini? My brand new M4 Mac Mini can capture VHS tapes using the ADVC 110 just fine. As I have stated prior. If you really want to help people investing the ADVC 110, Intensity Shuttle and a Mac would be very beneficial to yourself and the viewers.
@@videocaptureguideThe ATI AIW series is kind of interesting. ua-cam.com/video/AXbLts0kzcQ/v-deo.htmlsi=yzVFX__1SFdn2CCk It’s strange how they made such a great product then Nvidia just beats them down the rest of the time until AMD buys them for too much. They don’t have anything about the AIW cards in that video but everyone praises that series of cards in the comments.
OBS can work but the settings need to be carefully set. Because OBS can either be used to capture what is on the screen (like how the Print Screen function works for images) or it can be used to save the full video stream (like how the Save As function works for images). I have not experimented with OBS but I read an explanation showing that it can be done the second way, but you need to ensure all the settings are done correctly.
There are several USB video capture devices than can capture HD. You stated the cheap video capture device looks extra dark and extra bright. That is because the dynamic range is getting crushed. That has nothing to do with 4:2:2 VS 4:1:1 or MPEG VS Pro Res VS MJPEG etc. It is better to have 13 stops of dynamic range using H.264, 8 bit with 4:2:0 chroma then only 10 stops of dynamic range using Pro Res 10 bit 4:2:2 uncompressed. I have told you this several times. My Sony A7 III uses 8 bit, 4:2:0 H.264 but it yields great image quality. The hardware in the Sony a7 III is top notch. The cheap USB video capture cards have cheap hardware inside. You need to mention that. To be fair some video codecs are better than others but this video is not a good testing method for that. It is somewhat helpful but neither capture device has professional broadcast compliant hardware and specs. Keep in mind when the Sony A7 III hit the market it was known the world over for having 13 stops of dynamic range and great low lighting capabilities. Do you see my point? I agree the capture hardware and software are both important. That is why I use Professional Software like Premiere Pro and broadcast compliant hardware. No professional video production house would use cheap software like virtual dub. Do you know why? Keep in mind when you use your cheap software programs more often than not you have messed up the aspect ration when using your beloved ATI 600. You never notice the aspect ratio being incorrect. Other people always point it out to you. You can maybe do that once in a professional environment but not twice. If you worked in a professional broadcast facility you would have been fired by now. Would you agree with that? I would love to make a video response to several of your videos I just don't have the time right now. If you want to continue to do VHS transfer videos then you need to invest in Premiere Pro CS 6 and also buy the Canopus ADVC 110 and the Intensity Shuttle (USB version). You need those products if you ever want to bring your A-Game and give good advice moving forward. If you do that I might be able to recommend your channel but as of now I cannot. I will end by saying this video was not bad but it could have been better.
Stops of dynamic range are irrelevant here. Also your capture workflow isn’t all that perfect either. In my broadcast facility I would not use either the ADVC or Intensity pro usb. I might want to use virtual dub from which can make perfectly valid D1 formatted recordings. I also wouldn’t want to work with someone with your attitude.
@@timellis7720 I would never want to work with you either. Having said that you are 100% incorrect. With only 10 stops of dynamic range the shadows will get crushed to black with no detail. Bright parts of the video will appear white and over exposed very quickly. The cheap USB video capture card limited the dynamic range but not by that much. Maybe one full stop or a half stop. Neither the ADVC 110 or Intensity would be used for professional broadcast work because they both lack BNC connectors and XLR connectors. Not to mention they lack RS422 deck control. The quality is broadcast compliant. Virtual dub does not allow for RS422 shuttle control and would not tap into the Professional Betadecks or 3/4" decks. In a professional environment you need full deck control. Our Avid Media Composer had hardware encoders for MJPEG. So did the Matrox Digisuit line and Media 100 boards. You would never capture into D1using those products.
@@timellis7720 For the record I never stated I would never work with Video Capture Guide or that I would fire Video Capture Guide. I simply stated what would be the end result if he were to work at a broadcast studio. My statement is true. For the record you would also be fired if you tried using Virtualdub at a video production house equipped with an Avid Media Composer, Digitsuit LE setup or even a DSP system. Your boss would not tell you twice to stop using that crappy software. That is simple FYI.
You do realize this video is targeted at the average person who just wants to digitize some home movies, right? If said person is willing to buy a generic $20 capture device then chances are they aren't interested in spending hundreds or thousands on a "professional" workflow. VirtualDub and the gear used here is more than good enough if you actually know what you're doing.
Ok I made an error here assuming you were arguing with good faith. But on a second watch of the video I’ve found the claims you’ve made about the video are infact not what was said. Enjoy the read. > There are several USB video capture devices than can capture HD. I dont see where this was claimed otherwise in the video, VCG says “If you browse Amazon you’ll find the majority of low cost devices are SD capture.”. So maybe you misunderstood what was being discussed here, simply the use of SD capture devices. > You stated the cheap video capture device looks extra dark and extra bright. That is because the dynamic range is getting crushed. That has nothing to do with 4:2:2 VS 4:1:1 or MPEG VS Pro Res VS MJPEG etc. This was never claimed in the video, the section with Mediainfo @5:35 was just to show the differences in the files captured, at no point did VCG link the picture discrepancies to the chroma subsampling or the codec used. > It is better to have 13 stops of dynamic range using H.264, 8 bit with 4:2:0 chroma then only 10 stops of dynamic range using Pro Res 10 bit 4:2:2 uncompressed. I have told you this several times. Ok so this doesn’t make sense at all, we are capturing a fixed width video signal, we just need to get everything from 0-1 volts within the 0-255 8 bit colorspace. Thats not something we can measure in stops. If this device is blowing out the highlights then it’s not a dynamic range issue, it’s a “device not fit for purpose” issue. The ATI handles this fine, the cheap one on the right does not, bin it. > My Sony A7 III uses 8 bit, 4:2:0 H.264 but it yields great image quality. The hardware in the Sony a7 III is top notch. Thats nice, entirely irrelevant to the topic. At no point is 4:2:0 8bit described as inadequate. > The cheap USB video capture cards have cheap hardware inside. You need to mention that. I think that’s implied. > It is somewhat helpful but neither capture device has professional broadcast compliant hardware and specs. We’re not dealing with broadcast quality sources though, this is VHS, recorded on consumer devices captured at home by hobbyists with consumer devices. However the ATI 600 and other devices that share its chipset have proven themselves to be very accurate at digitizing VHS. Also sometimes the high end broadcast gear is not so good at dealing with VHS’s often messy signal. The extent at which that is true I’d like to see quantified, but I think its fair to say that wether some thing is “professional broadcast grade” or not does not entirely define its value. > Keep in mind when the Sony A7 III hit the market it was known the world over for having 13 stops of dynamic range and great low lighting capabilities. Do you see my point? No this is truly irrelevant. A capture card is not a camera, there’s a very fixed amount of data for it to gather. > I agree the capture hardware and software are both important. That is why I use Professional Software like Premiere Pro and broadcast compliant hardware. No professional video production house would use cheap software like virtual dub. Do you know why? I think they do, maybe not TV stations but there are many video archiving organizations and video conversion facilities that use virtual dub, specifically for the lossless files that you can generate. > Keep in mind when you use your cheap software programs more often than not you have messed up the aspect ration when using your beloved ATI 600. You never notice the aspect ratio being incorrect. Other people always point it out to you. You can maybe do that once in a professional environment but not twice. If you worked in a professional broadcast facility you would have been fired by now. Would you agree with that? Who talks like this to strangers on the internet? No you would not get fired, It probably wouldn’t even be noticed without a side by side. Also this isn’t the fault of Virtual dub or the ATI 600, the AVI container does not have flags that define the aspect ratio, it must be specified every time when transcoding or using the files in Premiere, its an easy mistake to make. I had a thorough search and found, since the ATIs first appearance, only one instance of a wrong aspect ratio being noticed by a commenter, and about a hundred comments from you being a prick. > I would love to make a video response to several of your videos I just don't have the time right now. Sad > If you want to continue to do VHS transfer videos then you need to invest in Premiere Pro CS 6 and also buy the Canopus ADVC 110 and the Intensity Shuttle (USB version). You need those products if you ever want to bring your A-Game and give good advice moving forward. If you do that I might be able to recommend your channel but as of now I cannot. No, you dont NEED any of those things, there are many methods of GOOD vhs capture, this is one of them. Ok now your comments to me > With only 10 stops of dynamic range the shadows will get crushed to black with no detail. Bright parts of the video will appear white and over exposed very quickly. The cheap USB video capture card limited the dynamic range but not by that much. Maybe one full stop or a half stop. We dont measure the dynamic range in a video image by stops, it doesn't work that way. > Neither the ADVC 110 or Intensity would be used for professional broadcast work because they both lack BNC connectors and XLR connectors. Not to mention they lack RS422 deck control. The quality is broadcast compliant. The quality of the ATI 600 via Virtual Dub is also broadcast compliant then. You can record directly to DV if lossless isn’t for you. Absolutely good enough for broadcast. > Virtual dub does not allow for RS422 shuttle control and would not tap into the Professional Betadecks or 3/4" decks. In a professional environment you need full deck control. You absolutely do not need RS422 control to capture from betacam or umatic or even DV. On Avid Media Composer just switch of deck control, hit play on the deck and record. You can absolutely use Virtual dub to record these formats if you needed to. > For the record I never stated I would never work with Video Capture Guide or that I would fire Video Capture Guide. I simply stated what would be the end result if he were to work at a broadcast studio. My statement is true. For the record you would also be fired if you tried using Virtualdub at a video production house equipped with an Avid Media Composer, Digitsuit LE setup or even a DSP system. Your boss would not tell you twice to stop using that crappy software. That is simple FYI. For the record I do work in a broadcast facility and have and will continue to use Virtual Dub for tasks I deem necessary. The broadcast engineers I know use free software like FFMPEG all the time for tasks that would be tricky with vendor supplied solutions like Vantage or Viz One. I’ve also had my fair share of foolish technical errors go to air and my job status has never been in question. But this isn't for broadcast, this is for hobbyist wanting their home movies preserved using the tools that are easily available to them. None of this is mission critical or worth getting fired over. The dick swinging over whether something is broadcast grade or not is way outside the scope of this hobby. The mission here should be to convince people to ditch their easycaps for something that passes a basic quality threshold and to get preserving before its too late. Are your memories safe and have they been preserved with care, thats all that matters really.
Video Capture Guide, you need to bring some law an order ASAP. I stated the aspect ratio is correct in this video. Correct is the key word. I simply asked why use 1440 X 1080 in the year 2024? You need to tell you followers to stop attacking a strawman. 1440 X 1080 is not the issue nor has it ever been. The incorrect aspect ratio I am referring to can be seen in the video titled "ATI SD capture versus MiniDV camcorder". Can you admit to your followers that my comments have merit! Some of your videos do in fact have the wrong aspect ratio but you never catch it because you are obsessed with trying to prove the ATI products are better than the ADVC 110. Stop doing that! Start focusing on dtynamic range and the aspect ratio as those can become an issue using your method. Those will never be an issues when using Premiere Pro and a Firewire converter. Do you think your followers will apologize once you admit I was correct all along?
I don’t see the comments you are talking about or the part of the video that you are talking about. I am not sure if he used the wrong aspect ratio or not. Even if he did he just says ow okay I’ll look into it when someone tells him something is wrong. I’ve noticed capture guide try’s to stay pretty neutral and avoid a bunch of drama. I don’t think he try’s to promote any hardware either he’s just giving information. You are the one that started the whole getting fired over aspect ratios being wrong talk. Then you are saying the channel needs to focus more on aspect ratios being right and asking people if they think they would get fired for having the wrong aspect ratio and asking capture guide if his followers will apologize after capture guide admits you were right. That’s all ego stuff. Get over yourself. I’m wrong plenty of the times. The people at dfaq know more than me about this. That’s okay. i learn from them. If I’m wrong okay. I move on. You are outputting 1920 by 1080 for UA-cam and when we say hey you are using the wrong aspect ratio you say it’s a personal choice. If capture guide is using the wrong aspect ratio then maybe it’s a personal choice. I’m not trying to get some get apology or something like that. I don’t need the attention from wanting a video chat or w/e you want to stroke your ego. In the case of it’s a personal choice why not just say hey do w/e you want with the aspect ratio. You’re using the wrong aspect ratio for UA-cam. Just look into it then change it. You’re wrong. It happens to everyone. Not a big deal. I actually followed you before dfaq or this channel. I’ve done your method before then I’ve done dfaqs. You haven’t used Virtualdub though. You haven’t used Hybrid or used Avisynth in Pmod. What experience do you have using the Shuttle as a capture card for analog tapes and how well did that go? You generally use the Intensity Shuttle to output to a CRT from premier but that’s not from the tape so there’s no timebase errors. I just don’t see why the shuttle is a must have. The frame drops may not be so bad with something to prevent dropped frames like a frame TBC or an es-15 but you never mention those. I’m wondering if you think a line TBC in a VCR prevents dropped frames. Really if we are talking about your VHS transfers vs others it’s not just about DV. The composite regular VCR you are using is a big jump down in quality from an Svideo VCR. I’ve compared my regular VCR and my 1980 and I see rainbows and other issues on my composite VCR that aren’t present on my 1980 because Svideo separates luma and chroma and prevents interference between the channels. The VCR is going to be the biggest jump in quality. The difference between good cards isn’t that big according to what I’ve heard. Rather than telling people to get a shuttle for previewing and a Broadcast CRT it would be a lot better advice to get an ES-15, a DVK 200 and a low end JVC non TBC Svideo VCR like an HR-S2902 there’s a lot of models in the HR s 2/3/4/5 lines. You can get them for like 100 bucks on eBay. EBay is not advised but that’s there decision. If someone is going super cheap they have to take chances. If they wanna get better quality and lower risk the price goes up but they are going to run into the same old gear issues trying to get a broadcast CRT. Both methods use legacy software. Both can work in windows 10. Premier is a good RGB color editor and that it for VHS. With Davinci Resolve you have to use Pro Res or DNxHD and neither of those are lossless but I believe premier has lossless options. Premier is great software it’s just not better at editing VHS than the open source scripting frame servers like Avisynth at editing VHS.
@TechTVusa You are 100 percent correct that in the the video "ATI SD capture versus MiniDV camcorder" I output the ATI-captured video with the incorrect aspect ratio, which made it look wider than it should have. In this video, under which we are commenting, the aspect ratio is correct. That is why folks were surprised and confused when you wrote: "Keep in mind when you use your cheap software programs more often than not you have messed up the aspect ration when using your beloved ATI 600. You never notice the aspect ratio being incorrect." They assumed you were referring to this video. In your comment just above this one, you repeat your previous claim: "Some of your videos do in fact have the wrong aspect ratio but you never catch it because you are obsessed with trying to prove the ATI products are better than the ADVC 110." Again, the aspect ratio in this video is correct and regrettably I cannot change the previous video. I can only try to continue outputting the aspect ratio correctly. Also, I don't *think* I'm obsessed with trying to prove that ATI products are better than the ADVC 110, but I will ask my therapist to view the videos and tell me what she thinks. The goal of this channel is to test different workflows to test claims made on discussion forums. So, rather than make claims that X is better than Y, I do the comparison videos and people can judge for themselves and buy whatever hardware they wish. Apart from the look of the end product, there are other factors to consider including price, ease-of-use, ability of the device to prevent flagging, and so on. For instance, I think for many users, the ADVC 110 or a Sony MiniDV camcorder passthrough is the right choice because at least in the case of the MiniDV camcorder passthrough wavvyness is dealt with very well, despite the drawbacks of a lossy DV-25 compressed video format with the ensuing blockiness in high-movement, low-light scenes. For others who want to digitize to a lossless video format, another capture device might be a better choice, although this method might require adding a Line TBC (eg, ES15) to the workflow. For some people, the expense and/or complexity might be too much. For others who can figure out how to put together the CX cards and find the tap points in their VCR, the RF method of VHS-Decode could be the right solution. There are many options, which can make it overwhelming. In a future video, I plan on tackling this topic.
@@videocaptureguide It’s good to just get a good amount of information so you can see through the really bad methods like anything that goes straight to H.264. Don’t pay attention to google reviews. Those people have nothing to compre it to. Definitely stay away from clearclicks and Legacybox is the absolute worst. I know employees. It’s good to get enough information to be able to see through the nonsense.
This is fantastic. Thank you. I have some great films that are not even out on DVD, let alone Blu-ray, but I have them on Laserdisc. I have the Hauppauge box thing from years back, and they complicated it with pictures, color detail, etc. I can do that on my PC.
If you have a Laserdisc player, there is possibly a better way to capture the analog on those discs using the LD-Decode method. I have not done it. But it's a fascinating story of how it came to be. In fact, this LD-Decode project forked off to create the VHS-Decode project, which is still a work in progress, but they share the same concept. For a deep dive, I recommend @RetroRGB video on this topic: ua-cam.com/video/klK4UZ5nlqs/v-deo.html
For your next video, I would like to know what computer is best for capturing video, or at least some general advice on that matter.
Capture guide built a windows XP computer. Custom built XP computers are the best for this because virtualdub works better with XP and the best cards require XP. The best cards are the ATI AIW like capture guide has. Windows 7 works well with Virtualdub but there are less cards that work with it. Windows 10 is busy and has a lot going on in the background and there are way less cards that work with it. I capture in Windows 10 with virtualdub because I wasn’t willing to build an XP computer. I keep my system offline because updates happen like every six months and can make your card not function. Cards are important but your biggest quality boost is going to come your VCR.
@ryanortega1511 I agree with what Duncan said.
If you have a video capture card that runs only in a Windows XP computer, then use a pre-owned desktop computer that looks like it had WindowsXP installed on it. If you find one, try to find the model number and Google it to see the release date. About 2005 is probably the sweet spot for Windows XP computer that are relatively new You can find these pretty inexpensive on Facebook Marketplace. The Dell Optiplex GX260 was the last Dell to include an AGP slot on the motherboard. This is only relevant if you get a video capture card that connects via AGP (as opposed to PCI-express).
Even if the person selling the computer updated the OS, you can reinstall WindowsXP SP2 to make it a Windows XP machine again.
Apart from that, I would check to make sure that the computer case has two places for hard drives. You will use the first as as the system drive (C) and the second as the data drive (D).
I put together the parts for my Windows XP computer, but that was probably overkill and I would have probably just followed my advice above. Here are the parts I used with a motherboard from 2007:
Motherboard: Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA2)
CPU: Intel Core2Duo E7500 (LGA775)
RAM: Kingston 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM 800 (PC2 6400)
HDD: WD 1TB
HDD: Seagate BarraCuda 2TB Internal Hard Drive HDD ST2000DM008
Video card: ATI AIW 9600XT
Sound card: Turtle Beach Santa Cruz (TB400)
If you have a USB capture device that works best in Windows 7 (eg, ATI 600), then you will be able to buy a slightly newer computer. In fact, it might be a good idea to buy a pre-owned Windows 7 computer and use it exclusively for capture, even if you buy a more recent USB capture device, like the I-O Data GV-USB2, which runs in Windows 7. That way, you will avoid the issues of a Windows 10/11 OS update messing with the capture card drivers, etc.
I have a Dell Inspiron 537 with Windows 7 installed. I used it as my capture device for the ATI 600. I have two hard drives installed. And it is fast enough for capture. Like my WindowsXP machine, it is not connected to a network/internet. I only use it for capture.
@@videocaptureguide Why invest in an old crappy computer as opposed to investing in a brand new M4 Mac Mini? My brand new M4 Mac Mini can capture VHS tapes using the ADVC 110 just fine. As I have stated prior. If you really want to help people investing the ADVC 110, Intensity Shuttle and a Mac would be very beneficial to yourself and the viewers.
Okay. How about using one of those external recorders, like the Atomos Ninja or the Blackmagic Recorder?
@@videocaptureguideThe ATI AIW series is kind of interesting. ua-cam.com/video/AXbLts0kzcQ/v-deo.htmlsi=yzVFX__1SFdn2CCk It’s strange how they made such a great product then Nvidia just beats them down the rest of the time until AMD buys them for too much. They don’t have anything about the AIW cards in that video but everyone praises that series of cards in the comments.
What about using OBS which is free?
OBS can work but the settings need to be carefully set. Because OBS can either be used to capture what is on the screen (like how the Print Screen function works for images) or it can be used to save the full video stream (like how the Save As function works for images). I have not experimented with OBS but I read an explanation showing that it can be done the second way, but you need to ensure all the settings are done correctly.
There are several USB video capture devices than can capture HD.
You stated the cheap video capture device looks extra dark and extra bright. That is because the dynamic range is getting crushed. That has nothing to do with 4:2:2 VS 4:1:1 or MPEG VS Pro Res VS MJPEG etc. It is better to have 13 stops of dynamic range using H.264, 8 bit with 4:2:0 chroma then only 10 stops of dynamic range using Pro Res 10 bit 4:2:2 uncompressed. I have told you this several times. My Sony A7 III uses 8 bit, 4:2:0 H.264 but it yields great image quality. The hardware in the Sony a7 III is top notch. The cheap USB video capture cards have cheap hardware inside. You need to mention that. To be fair some video codecs are better than others but this video is not a good testing method for that. It is somewhat helpful but neither capture device has professional broadcast compliant hardware and specs. Keep in mind when the Sony A7 III hit the market it was known the world over for having 13 stops of dynamic range and great low lighting capabilities. Do you see my point?
I agree the capture hardware and software are both important. That is why I use Professional Software like Premiere Pro and broadcast compliant hardware. No professional video production house would use cheap software like virtual dub. Do you know why?
Keep in mind when you use your cheap software programs more often than not you have messed up the aspect ration when using your beloved ATI 600. You never notice the aspect ratio being incorrect. Other people always point it out to you. You can maybe do that once in a professional environment but not twice. If you worked in a professional broadcast facility you would have been fired by now. Would you agree with that?
I would love to make a video response to several of your videos I just don't have the time right now. If you want to continue to do VHS transfer videos then you need to invest in Premiere Pro CS 6 and also buy the Canopus ADVC 110 and the Intensity Shuttle (USB version). You need those products if you ever want to bring your A-Game and give good advice moving forward. If you do that I might be able to recommend your channel but as of now I cannot.
I will end by saying this video was not bad but it could have been better.
Stops of dynamic range are irrelevant here.
Also your capture workflow isn’t all that perfect either. In my broadcast facility I would not use either the ADVC or Intensity pro usb. I might want to use virtual dub from which can make perfectly valid D1 formatted recordings. I also wouldn’t want to work with someone with your attitude.
@@timellis7720 I would never want to work with you either. Having said that you are 100% incorrect.
With only 10 stops of dynamic range the shadows will get crushed to black with no detail. Bright parts of the video will appear white and over exposed very quickly. The cheap USB video capture card limited the dynamic range but not by that much. Maybe one full stop or a half stop.
Neither the ADVC 110 or Intensity would be used for professional broadcast work because they both lack BNC connectors and XLR connectors. Not to mention they lack RS422 deck control. The quality is broadcast compliant.
Virtual dub does not allow for RS422 shuttle control and would not tap into the Professional Betadecks or 3/4" decks.
In a professional environment you need full deck control. Our Avid Media Composer had hardware encoders for MJPEG. So did the Matrox Digisuit line and Media 100 boards. You would never capture into D1using those products.
@@timellis7720 For the record I never stated I would never work with Video Capture Guide or that I would fire Video Capture Guide. I simply stated what would be the end result if he were to work at a broadcast studio. My statement is true. For the record you would also be fired if you tried using Virtualdub at a video production house equipped with an Avid Media Composer, Digitsuit LE setup or even a DSP system. Your boss would not tell you twice to stop using that crappy software. That is simple FYI.
You do realize this video is targeted at the average person who just wants to digitize some home movies, right? If said person is willing to buy a generic $20 capture device then chances are they aren't interested in spending hundreds or thousands on a "professional" workflow. VirtualDub and the gear used here is more than good enough if you actually know what you're doing.
Ok I made an error here assuming you were arguing with good faith. But on a second watch of the video I’ve found the claims you’ve made about the video are infact not what was said. Enjoy the read.
> There are several USB video capture devices than can capture HD.
I dont see where this was claimed otherwise in the video, VCG says “If you browse Amazon you’ll find the majority of low cost devices are SD capture.”. So maybe you misunderstood what was being discussed here, simply the use of SD capture devices.
> You stated the cheap video capture device looks extra dark and extra bright. That is because the dynamic range is getting crushed. That has nothing to do with 4:2:2 VS 4:1:1 or MPEG VS Pro Res VS MJPEG etc.
This was never claimed in the video, the section with Mediainfo @5:35 was just to show the differences in the files captured, at no point did VCG link the picture discrepancies to the chroma subsampling or the codec used.
> It is better to have 13 stops of dynamic range using H.264, 8 bit with 4:2:0 chroma then only 10 stops of dynamic range using Pro Res 10 bit 4:2:2 uncompressed. I have told you this several times.
Ok so this doesn’t make sense at all, we are capturing a fixed width video signal, we just need to get everything from 0-1 volts within the 0-255 8 bit colorspace. Thats not something we can measure in stops. If this device is blowing out the highlights then it’s not a dynamic range issue, it’s a “device not fit for purpose” issue. The ATI handles this fine, the cheap one on the right does not, bin it.
> My Sony A7 III uses 8 bit, 4:2:0 H.264 but it yields great image quality. The hardware in the Sony a7 III is top notch.
Thats nice, entirely irrelevant to the topic. At no point is 4:2:0 8bit described as inadequate.
> The cheap USB video capture cards have cheap hardware inside. You need to mention that.
I think that’s implied.
> It is somewhat helpful but neither capture device has professional broadcast compliant hardware and specs.
We’re not dealing with broadcast quality sources though, this is VHS, recorded on consumer devices captured at home by hobbyists with consumer devices. However the ATI 600 and other devices that share its chipset have proven themselves to be very accurate at digitizing VHS. Also sometimes the high end broadcast gear is not so good at dealing with VHS’s often messy signal. The extent at which that is true I’d like to see quantified, but I think its fair to say that wether some thing is “professional broadcast grade” or not does not entirely define its value.
> Keep in mind when the Sony A7 III hit the market it was known the world over for having 13 stops of dynamic range and great low lighting capabilities. Do you see my point?
No this is truly irrelevant. A capture card is not a camera, there’s a very fixed amount of data for it to gather.
> I agree the capture hardware and software are both important. That is why I use Professional Software like Premiere Pro and broadcast compliant hardware. No professional video production house would use cheap software like virtual dub. Do you know why?
I think they do, maybe not TV stations but there are many video archiving organizations and video conversion facilities that use virtual dub, specifically for the lossless files that you can generate.
> Keep in mind when you use your cheap software programs more often than not you have messed up the aspect ration when using your beloved ATI 600. You never notice the aspect ratio being incorrect. Other people always point it out to you. You can maybe do that once in a professional environment but not twice. If you worked in a professional broadcast facility you would have been fired by now. Would you agree with that?
Who talks like this to strangers on the internet? No you would not get fired, It probably wouldn’t even be noticed without a side by side. Also this isn’t the fault of Virtual dub or the ATI 600, the AVI container does not have flags that define the aspect ratio, it must be specified every time when transcoding or using the files in Premiere, its an easy mistake to make. I had a thorough search and found, since the ATIs first appearance, only one instance of a wrong aspect ratio being noticed by a commenter, and about a hundred comments from you being a prick.
> I would love to make a video response to several of your videos I just don't have the time right now.
Sad
> If you want to continue to do VHS transfer videos then you need to invest in Premiere Pro CS 6 and also buy the Canopus ADVC 110 and the Intensity Shuttle (USB version). You need those products if you ever want to bring your A-Game and give good advice moving forward. If you do that I might be able to recommend your channel but as of now I cannot.
No, you dont NEED any of those things, there are many methods of GOOD vhs capture, this is one of them.
Ok now your comments to me
> With only 10 stops of dynamic range the shadows will get crushed to black with no detail. Bright parts of the video will appear white and over exposed very quickly. The cheap USB video capture card limited the dynamic range but not by that much. Maybe one full stop or a half stop.
We dont measure the dynamic range in a video image by stops, it doesn't work that way.
> Neither the ADVC 110 or Intensity would be used for professional broadcast work because they both lack BNC connectors and XLR connectors. Not to mention they lack RS422 deck control. The quality is broadcast compliant.
The quality of the ATI 600 via Virtual Dub is also broadcast compliant then. You can record directly to DV if lossless isn’t for you. Absolutely good enough for broadcast.
> Virtual dub does not allow for RS422 shuttle control and would not tap into the Professional Betadecks or 3/4" decks. In a professional environment you need full deck control.
You absolutely do not need RS422 control to capture from betacam or umatic or even DV. On Avid Media Composer just switch of deck control, hit play on the deck and record. You can absolutely use Virtual dub to record these formats if you needed to.
> For the record I never stated I would never work with Video Capture Guide or that I would fire Video Capture Guide. I simply stated what would be the end result if he were to work at a broadcast studio. My statement is true. For the record you would also be fired if you tried using Virtualdub at a video production house equipped with an Avid Media Composer, Digitsuit LE setup or even a DSP system. Your boss would not tell you twice to stop using that crappy software. That is simple FYI.
For the record I do work in a broadcast facility and have and will continue to use Virtual Dub for tasks I deem necessary. The broadcast engineers I know use free software like FFMPEG all the time for tasks that would be tricky with vendor supplied solutions like Vantage or Viz One. I’ve also had my fair share of foolish technical errors go to air and my job status has never been in question.
But this isn't for broadcast, this is for hobbyist wanting their home movies preserved using the tools that are easily available to them. None of this is mission critical or worth getting fired over. The dick swinging over whether something is broadcast grade or not is way outside the scope of this hobby. The mission here should be to convince people to ditch their easycaps for something that passes a basic quality threshold and to get preserving before its too late.
Are your memories safe and have they been preserved with care, thats all that matters really.
Video Capture Guide, you need to bring some law an order ASAP. I stated the aspect ratio is correct in this video. Correct is the key word. I simply asked why use 1440 X 1080 in the year 2024? You need to tell you followers to stop attacking a strawman. 1440 X 1080 is not the issue nor has it ever been.
The incorrect aspect ratio I am referring to can be seen in the video titled "ATI SD capture versus MiniDV camcorder". Can you admit to your followers that my comments have merit! Some of your videos do in fact have the wrong aspect ratio but you never catch it because you are obsessed with trying to prove the ATI products are better than the ADVC 110. Stop doing that! Start focusing on dtynamic range and the aspect ratio as those can become an issue using your method. Those will never be an issues when using Premiere Pro and a Firewire converter. Do you think your followers will apologize once you admit I was correct all along?
I don’t see the comments you are talking about or the part of the video that you are talking about. I am not sure if he used the wrong aspect ratio or not. Even if he did he just says ow okay I’ll look into it when someone tells him something is wrong. I’ve noticed capture guide try’s to stay pretty neutral and avoid a bunch of drama. I don’t think he try’s to promote any hardware either he’s just giving information.
You are the one that started the whole getting fired over aspect ratios being wrong talk. Then you are saying the channel needs to focus more on aspect ratios being right and asking people if they think they would get fired for having the wrong aspect ratio and asking capture guide if his followers will apologize after capture guide admits you were right. That’s all ego stuff. Get over yourself. I’m wrong plenty of the times. The people at dfaq know more than me about this. That’s okay. i learn from them. If I’m wrong okay. I move on. You are outputting 1920 by 1080 for UA-cam and when we say hey you are using the wrong aspect ratio you say it’s a personal choice. If capture guide is using the wrong aspect ratio then maybe it’s a personal choice. I’m not trying to get some get apology or something like that. I don’t need the attention from wanting a video chat or w/e you want to stroke your ego. In the case of it’s a personal choice why not just say hey do w/e you want with the aspect ratio. You’re using the wrong aspect ratio for UA-cam. Just look into it then change it. You’re wrong. It happens to everyone. Not a big deal.
I actually followed you before dfaq or this channel. I’ve done your method before then I’ve done dfaqs. You haven’t used Virtualdub though. You haven’t used Hybrid or used Avisynth in Pmod. What experience do you have using the Shuttle as a capture card for analog tapes and how well did that go? You generally use the Intensity Shuttle to output to a CRT from premier but that’s not from the tape so there’s no timebase errors. I just don’t see why the shuttle is a must have. The frame drops may not be so bad with something to prevent dropped frames like a frame TBC or an es-15 but you never mention those. I’m wondering if you think a line TBC in a VCR prevents dropped frames.
Really if we are talking about your VHS transfers vs others it’s not just about DV. The composite regular VCR you are using is a big jump down in quality from an Svideo VCR. I’ve compared my regular VCR and my 1980 and I see rainbows and other issues on my composite VCR that aren’t present on my 1980 because Svideo separates luma and chroma and prevents interference between the channels. The VCR is going to be the biggest jump in quality. The difference between good cards isn’t that big according to what I’ve heard. Rather than telling people to get a shuttle for previewing and a Broadcast CRT it would be a lot better advice to get an ES-15, a DVK 200 and a low end JVC non TBC Svideo VCR like an HR-S2902 there’s a lot of models in the HR s 2/3/4/5 lines. You can get them for like 100 bucks on eBay. EBay is not advised but that’s there decision. If someone is going super cheap they have to take chances. If they wanna get better quality and lower risk the price goes up but they are going to run into the same old gear issues trying to get a broadcast CRT. Both methods use legacy software. Both can work in windows 10. Premier is a good RGB color editor and that it for VHS. With Davinci Resolve you have to use Pro Res or DNxHD and neither of those are lossless but I believe premier has lossless options. Premier is great software it’s just not better at editing VHS than the open source scripting frame servers like Avisynth at editing VHS.
@TechTVusa You are 100 percent correct that in the the video "ATI SD capture versus MiniDV camcorder" I output the ATI-captured video with the incorrect aspect ratio, which made it look wider than it should have.
In this video, under which we are commenting, the aspect ratio is correct. That is why folks were surprised and confused when you wrote: "Keep in mind when you use your cheap software programs more often than not you have messed up the aspect ration when using your beloved ATI 600. You never notice the aspect ratio being incorrect." They assumed you were referring to this video.
In your comment just above this one, you repeat your previous claim: "Some of your videos do in fact have the wrong aspect ratio but you never catch it because you are obsessed with trying to prove the ATI products are better than the ADVC 110."
Again, the aspect ratio in this video is correct and regrettably I cannot change the previous video. I can only try to continue outputting the aspect ratio correctly. Also, I don't *think* I'm obsessed with trying to prove that ATI products are better than the ADVC 110, but I will ask my therapist to view the videos and tell me what she thinks.
The goal of this channel is to test different workflows to test claims made on discussion forums. So, rather than make claims that X is better than Y, I do the comparison videos and people can judge for themselves and buy whatever hardware they wish.
Apart from the look of the end product, there are other factors to consider including price, ease-of-use, ability of the device to prevent flagging, and so on.
For instance, I think for many users, the ADVC 110 or a Sony MiniDV camcorder passthrough is the right choice because at least in the case of the MiniDV camcorder passthrough wavvyness is dealt with very well, despite the drawbacks of a lossy DV-25 compressed video format with the ensuing blockiness in high-movement, low-light scenes.
For others who want to digitize to a lossless video format, another capture device might be a better choice, although this method might require adding a Line TBC (eg, ES15) to the workflow. For some people, the expense and/or complexity might be too much.
For others who can figure out how to put together the CX cards and find the tap points in their VCR, the RF method of VHS-Decode could be the right solution.
There are many options, which can make it overwhelming. In a future video, I plan on tackling this topic.
@@videocaptureguide It’s good to just get a good amount of information so you can see through the really bad methods like anything that goes straight to H.264. Don’t pay attention to google reviews. Those people have nothing to compre it to. Definitely stay away from clearclicks and Legacybox is the absolute worst. I know employees. It’s good to get enough information to be able to see through the nonsense.