If my dog is running with another dog and won't listen to the tone or my voice, should I hold down tone or immediately go to the stim and nic her till she comes?
I'm currently recalling my gsd. We're on day 3. I tried tone without voice and she didn't get it. So I'm continuing to tone, then call her. I'm just wondering how long I should do this for till trying with just tone. I would like her to know tone means come asap, incase she's far away when we're at the beach etc
Does she know what “come “means? If she does, have a stimulation level on the dial that will come in in 1.2 seconds after the tone button. (Of course you’re still gonna say “come” and def have a long line to help her decide which way to go, ie to you.) Do not do this without having a long line on her. If she is very sensitive dog be at a lower number then if she’s a bull in a China shop, who won’t care.
You MUST have a directional leash on her. Don’t just push the button and rely on you saying “come”. it’s up to you to have her escape the pressure of the Ecollar as best you can which is saying come as well as using the long line. Don’t stand there. She needs directional help. If this doesn’t make sense then higher a trainer. If she’s super sensitive, then hire a trainer. I hope this helps!
@@leadoffleashk9training I will have to remember this when I bring her to a field tomorrow morning. I did a few reps earlier with a long line and I found moving backwards after I tap tone, cal her name, helps a lot. I praise a lot too when she comes back as well. We’re only day 3.
Hey , So my dog fully understands recall , understands ecollar pressure and the potential of a ecollar. Do you have any tips if my dogs istraction is so high that when offleash he engages with a high istraction and blows through the ecollar and ignores recall. Do I bump up the setting/correction on the ecollar?
Two things- 1) is whatever he is distracted by (a squirrel?) more fun than you? If that is the case, you need to make yourself more fun for him. Practice recall in a way that he LOVES to come back to you. Because you’re going to throw a stick, or a toy, or a ball, or play tug, etc. 2) is he not recalling to you because he’s chasing something with reactivity? (Reactivity in my mind meaning he is going after something with aggression? Or running away in fear?) in either case not able to listen to your recall and follow through. If that is the case, you need to work on his state of mind and changing his perception around that thing and feel like he doesn’t need to be doing that. you need to boost his confidence. I think it’s probably the first thing I listed. Which again, you need to be more fun. And if he’s recalling to you 95% of the time and blowing you off that 1 time out of 10, then you should set up a training session with a TWC trainer to talk about the idea of stopping that once-every-now-and-then-blowoff of you. I do offer virtual sessions and you can find out more about that on my website. (Once on my website, go to the programs and prices page, then scroll to the bottom to read more about it.) Thanks for commenting and watching!
Thanks so much for the videos!! I am binge watching your channel, great content! Question are you teaching recall using only play games such as chase and catch and then reinforcing it with E-collar?
I only use the ecollar for recall (for the most part). I don't use it in Chase and Catch. It can be off-putting for the dog. You have to build up on the motivation in the game to want to play it w you, versus playing it because they are avoiding an aversive. I hope that makes sense
I'm also curious. I use the dogtra arc e collar and if I had it at a level 37 it would make my dog scream. Her normal working level is around 7, but with more distractions around a 14.
It all depends on the dog, the fur, how tight the collar is, etc. I can put it on my neck at a 27 on my skin and it makes my muscles contract, but doesn't make me squirm. Others people would squirm. Bottomline - I never get stuck on a number, I just get the behavior I am asking for and the dog gets it quick that way. They will move quickly into avoidance mode. TBH I really only use it for off-leash recall in a -R event (or a +P event for certain dogs with specific behaviors that need to stop.). Hope this helps.
@@Erin_29 I don't use "working level" anymore. It never really made sense to me and after taking TWC, I now know why. In my experience the dog needs it at different levels for different competing reinforcers - so never a "one size fits all for the same dog". I also want the dog to not need stim at all in the big picture. i want to get them into forever avoidance of it. I find that being higher than the "working level" concept gets the dog into avoidance and then they just don't need it much, if at all. And again, I only I use ecollar primarily for recall in a -R event (and sometimes a +P for some dogs)
@@leadoffleashk9trainingthat makes sense. When using it for recall, do you set the dog up with something you know it’s going to find distracting / get them in a higher state of arousal so that you only need to use it a couple of times?
It depends on the person or the dog that it’s on. Everybody’s got a different sensitivity level. Also where it is on the body. You would just have to try it. I can do it on my neck at that and some people can’t do it on their hand at that.
If my dog is running with another dog and won't listen to the tone or my voice, should I hold down tone or immediately go to the stim and nic her till she comes?
I'm currently recalling my gsd. We're on day 3. I tried tone without voice and she didn't get it. So I'm continuing to tone, then call her. I'm just wondering how long I should do this for till trying with just tone. I would like her to know tone means come asap, incase she's far away when we're at the beach etc
Does she know what “come “means? If she does, have a stimulation level on the dial that will come in in 1.2 seconds after the tone button. (Of course you’re still gonna say “come” and def have a long line to help her decide which way to go, ie to you.) Do not do this without having a long line on her. If she is very sensitive dog be at a lower number then if she’s a bull in a China shop, who won’t care.
You MUST have a directional leash on her. Don’t just push the button and rely on you saying “come”. it’s up to you to have her escape the pressure of the Ecollar as best you can which is saying come as well as using the long line. Don’t stand there. She needs directional help. If this doesn’t make sense then higher a trainer. If she’s super sensitive, then hire a trainer. I hope this helps!
@@leadoffleashk9training okay,!
@@leadoffleashk9training I will have to remember this when I bring her to a field tomorrow morning. I did a few reps earlier with a long line and I found moving backwards after I tap tone, cal her name, helps a lot. I praise a lot too when she comes back as well. We’re only day 3.
Hey , So my dog fully understands recall , understands ecollar pressure and the potential of a ecollar. Do you have any tips if my dogs istraction is so high that when offleash he engages with a high istraction and blows through the ecollar and ignores recall. Do I bump up the setting/correction on the ecollar?
Two things-
1) is whatever he is distracted by (a squirrel?) more fun than you? If that is the case, you need to make yourself more fun for him. Practice recall in a way that he LOVES to come back to you. Because you’re going to throw a stick, or a toy, or a ball, or play tug, etc.
2) is he not recalling to you because he’s chasing something with reactivity? (Reactivity in my mind meaning he is going after something with aggression? Or running away in fear?) in either case not able to listen to your recall and follow through. If that is the case, you need to work on his state of mind and changing his perception around that thing and feel like he doesn’t need to be doing that. you need to boost his confidence.
I think it’s probably the first thing I listed. Which again, you need to be more fun. And if he’s recalling to you 95% of the time and blowing you off that 1 time out of 10, then you should set up a training session with a TWC trainer to talk about the idea of stopping that once-every-now-and-then-blowoff of you. I do offer virtual sessions and you can find out more about that on my website. (Once on my website, go to the programs and prices page, then scroll to the bottom to read more about it.)
Thanks for commenting and watching!
Thanks so much for the videos!! I am binge watching your channel, great content! Question are you teaching recall using only play games such as chase and catch and then reinforcing it with E-collar?
I only use the ecollar for recall (for the most part). I don't use it in Chase and Catch. It can be off-putting for the dog. You have to build up on the motivation in the game to want to play it w you, versus playing it because they are avoiding an aversive. I hope that makes sense
Love your vidc. Can you describe how intense a stim of 37 is? thx
I'm also curious. I use the dogtra arc e collar and if I had it at a level 37 it would make my dog scream. Her normal working level is around 7, but with more distractions around a 14.
It all depends on the dog, the fur, how tight the collar is, etc. I can put it on my neck at a 27 on my skin and it makes my muscles contract, but doesn't make me squirm. Others people would squirm. Bottomline - I never get stuck on a number, I just get the behavior I am asking for and the dog gets it quick that way. They will move quickly into avoidance mode. TBH I really only use it for off-leash recall in a -R event (or a +P event for certain dogs with specific behaviors that need to stop.). Hope this helps.
@@Erin_29 I don't use "working level" anymore. It never really made sense to me and after taking TWC, I now know why. In my experience the dog needs it at different levels for different competing reinforcers - so never a "one size fits all for the same dog". I also want the dog to not need stim at all in the big picture. i want to get them into forever avoidance of it. I find that being higher than the "working level" concept gets the dog into avoidance and then they just don't need it much, if at all. And again, I only I use ecollar primarily for recall in a -R event (and sometimes a +P for some dogs)
@@leadoffleashk9trainingthat makes sense. When using it for recall, do you set the dog up with something you know it’s going to find distracting / get them in a higher state of arousal so that you only need to use it a couple of times?
It depends on the person or the dog that it’s on. Everybody’s got a different sensitivity level. Also where it is on the body. You would just have to try it. I can do it on my neck at that and some people can’t do it on their hand at that.