James O'Brien vs David Cameron loyalist | LBC debate
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- Опубліковано 12 лис 2023
- James O'Brien takes on caller Fenn - someone who strongly believes in David Cameron's prospects as Foreign Secretary. As the debate enflamed, O'Brien pressures Fenn to name a 'single successful policy' that was delivered while David Cameron was the Prime Minister, caller Fenn failed to give an answer...
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David Cameron was elected in 2010 saying they would pay the debt off in one term of government, then he is responsible for the referendum. So for the caller suggesting he needed more time, I refer you to Cameron himself. This where we are now because of the divisive rhetoric and lies & people keep falling for it.
The referendum was the best thing he did. At least he stuck to his word if he didn't come back from Brussels with a better deal for UK, then he would hand the decision to the public. How brexit has turned out is down to the incompetence of the MPs dealing with it. Not the public for voting for it or to Cameron for implementing the referendum.
How dare he let the UK public choose their destiny! It should have been left to the unelected EU beurocrats to decide!
@@blewis1733
Not a great reflection on the decision making abilities of the UK public, is it?
@garywilton246 hilarious mate, tell us another one....
Not pay off the debt, end the budget deficit. There is a huge difference. You don't have to be economically illiterate to be left wing, but it really does helps...
Crazy when people argue that we spent too much money on the NHS and healthcare when we're always below the EU median average of health spending per capita.
You guys should eventually move towards a hybrid insurance system like in The Netherlands. The costs increase according to income, from basically free all the way up to around 100 quid a month. Dont get me wrong, its still very much a national health service, you are not even allowed not to be insured, its just that wealthy people need to chip in a bit more. I myself am at arounf 35k a year and I still get almost half of the insurance costs refunded by the state, and I am really not to concerned with the 50/mo that this costs me. I mean, I can get a GP appointment tomorrow if I want. Another advantage is that these insurance companies buy the healthcare packages from the providers and they do have a commercial interest so they are much more competative than the state paying for everything through tax. And like I said, people on minumum wage or on benefits like single moms, kids and the elderly get everything refunded so it isnt anything like whats going on in the US.
It's about HOW they spend it not how much they get
its the hotel bills we can,t do everything can we thank the ,,,eu for the bills ,,
@@stephenisom6089 Mate... if you were still in the EU you could have gotten skilled workers from Poland and whatnot, plus under EU law you would have had the right to send any illegal immigrants back to France. But you wanted "sovereignty" or whatever that even means so control your own borders and stop complaining.
@@ageoflove1980 take your head out of the sand, this was tried when we were still in the EU it the ECHR we need out of
The fact that people still believe austerity worked shows how badly our media, politicians, and education system have failed.
Children aren't taught to ask questions in school anymore, it's only to accept narratives and given answers. Parents are responsible too, it is up to them to teach reality and make up for the shortfalls in the education system, unfortunately many of them are distracted by vacuous nonsense instead of being aware of legitimate global problems.
The country is over £1tn in debt, we could halve the size of the state and it would take decades to pay that back. We socialised bad bank debt on 2008,we should have let them to go to the wall. Another financial crisis is lurking in the shadows (sovereign debt, this time). What do you suggest?
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@@cosmos237pay back to whom
@@matthewv4170 anyone who holds UK govt bonds. 🙄
This was depressing and comedy all at once. We need to be electing and evaluating politicians on policies, not personalities. This bloke is evidence of why we need much better citizenship education in schools.
im suprised that critical thinking was only taught post 16 (when i was in college). best subject even though only 1 lesson a week we ever did. and I also did the sciences and history
agreed, luckily our teacher was excellent and left teachin to pursue being a comedian. but a rare case albeit. but still state. @@Denis.Collins
too right. But its easier to manipulate people, how will those in power, stay in power?
Can someone explain to me how Appointing a non MP to an Office of State , and quickly making him a Lord, squares with Democracy?
Conservatives...The clue is in there.....somewhere..
How does trying to overturn the result of a public vote "squares with Democracy". Lets ask Starmer.
@@HarryFlowerrs Labour did it too when Gordon Brown brought Peter mandelson back into government by making him a peer.
Well I for one can say we need to rejoin the EU. I'm sure we're all fed up with these unelected bureaucrats ruining our democratic rights 😂
@@steveheald3837 You "for one" want to join the EU?
Don't tell the knuckledraggers, they'll have a fit.....
Another caller who hasn't got a clue. David Cameron gave the Brexit referendum. He should be nowhere near the levers of power.
Giving the brexit referendum was only part of it. The other part being that when the nation voted for what he offered, he ran away.
@@TheRip72He certainly did run away. That's absolutely true.
A lil inheritance baby he must be, never had to work a day in his life
If the cry baby losers can end their tantrum and accept they lost we can move on. Spoiled children however, dislike being told 'no'
Because liebor wouldn't Because they were scared to do it,
“He’s the fall guy when it comes to Brexit” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 yes you eejit, HE DID IT therefore HE IS RESPONSIBLE
Worse than that, he ran away immediately after his proposal was adopted.
Yes he did what the public demanded for once...pretty rare for a politician
@@davidatkinson5858 And why did they ask for it? Because the media and westminster had spend the decades blaming the EU for every bit of bad policy our government could think of and just as many that never even existed. Couple that with the desperate discontent caused by austerity and a healthy dose of racism and you've got a prime recipe for a hard-right reactionary shitshow just wating to be platformed by a vapid and destructive media landscape owned by billionnaires.
In fairness, the "52pc" are responsible. Aided by "our Dominic" 🤮🤮
And setup by "our Dave" . . 🤮
@@davidatkinson5858 The public didn't demand an EU referendum.
It still amazes me that anyone would set themselves up for public humiliation just to try (& fail) to defend a politician that they are no more than a number to.
Doesn’t surprise me at all. I mean this guy is no different than the majority of U.K. politicians, especially those in government!
You can only be publicly humiliated if you care what the public think. No Tory cares what the public think. Once you've cast your vote you're redundant for the next 5 years.
It's great entertainment that they do though.
Do we get free pigs in blankets this Christmas in honor of David Oink Cameron's new cabinet appointment? 😂
I suppose it depends upon what is being said but social media is full of people defending the indefensible and try to get others to vote this or that. Political parties have billions of pounds behind them. They don't need me to do their work for them. Instead they need to earn my vote by improving the economy and education.
6:24 I was DYING to hear the little tipper tapper of a keyboard in the background, frantically typing the question into ChatGPT 😂😂
David Cameron: " I'm coming back into government because I believe in public service" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂 no seriously he said that. 😂😂
What has the UK become 😢
Great quote but there is on word missing….”I’m coming back into government because I believe in CUTTING public serviceS”
he said he was bored sh**less too lol
If DC really wanted to do so public service again, he should have stood as an MP candidate.
You were eviscerated, Fenn. You shouldn't be in the deep end of the pool when you cannot swim, pal.
I wouldn't even let Fenn get in a paddling pool.
Perhaps, thinking about what they’re going to say “before”calling might help ?
Although I highly doubt it.
@@de68aI wouldn’t let Fenn walk through a puddle
He shouldnt even be in the gene pool
I don't know what motivated this guy to phone in but this really is genuinely the way most members of the public think when it comes to which politicians they support.
It's not about policies, it's just about finding them superficially likeable.
It's the primary reason Boris Johnson beat Jeremy Corbyn.
People will vote against their own best interests, and against the best interests of others they love - simply because they think they'd enjoy sitting down and having a pint with them more.
My parents are in their 60s and will be voting for Rishi Sunak over Keir Starmer for this exact same reason.
It’s true also why so many voted Brexit was not bc they believed it was for their better interests either was more because it was something in line with their insular mindset small Britain
People will tend to agree with people who are more like them. It’s also a very tough ask to have a sensible position on any given policy. Maybe if you work on that sector, but more often than not we just falling back on our ideology. So inevitably it becomes a superficial popularity contest.
Who on earth would rather have a pint with a tory than Jeremy Corbyn?! Crazy world we live in
How sad
Only in Britain, & America.
Cameron is not remotely the agreeable competent man he seemed when he was elected. Just another ex public schoolboy who thinks politics is all an amusing game. He facilitated the catastrophic policy of Brexit and nearly facilitated the break up of the UK by providing referendums instead of leadership. The resources he wasted on his ridiculous NHS internal market initiatives was another terrible mistake.
You missed the worst part: He gave us brexit then promptly ran away. He should have stood by what he created, at least until voted or forced out.
The best thing he ever did was quit, an it seems he can't even get that right!?
For the sake of political win Cameron was completely happy to split the population more than anyone else ever managed.
He also uncovered who the idiots in this country are.
@@clivesmith9377 he emboldened idiocracy.
@@clivesmith9377he allowed idiots to be radicalised and most of them will never be brought back to being normal. Most people didn't even know that leaving the EU was even an option before Cameron.
@@clivesmith9377 Still crying over Brexit? Ffs man up!
@@thegoat11111When does the NHS get the extra £350,000,000 a week that was promised?
How are you a David Cameron loyalist and cant name one single policy ? Unbelievable....
Cameron tried too hard to imitate Bliar to ever be taken seriously...
That is the shoddy state of politics in the UK. So many voters cannot be bothered to even look at what policies they are voting for or what was achieved. All just a popularity vote based on what the leader looks and sounds like.
Maybe just has the same affinity for pigs ?
That's how you become a loyalist or a conservative anywhere in the world. Being unknowledgeable.
It's all about being right and winning the argument down the pub mate. I'm convinced people would see this country become a wasteland if it meant they were right about it.@@TheWoodIsPoo
not sure how caller even managed to dial the number
His mother dialed it 😂
Is he still at play school.
If you smash your face against the dial pad for long enough you will get through to LBC. Try it, it only took me 2 hours. I couldent speak when i got through tho, my teeth were all over the table!
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@@jaydenmasters2888😂😂😂😂😂😂
he's got a vote........you could weep
Probably likely to replicate too.
Unbelievable, these gammons are getting worse by the hour
You perceive Cameron as Gammon ? He was a remainder.
@@greamespens1460 He was also a money sneak thief with that 7 million or so from shares from a bankrupt kinda greensy firm 😠😠😠 They have more front than a Siberian low in winter .....It gets worse and worse for Uk ..voted these fiends in and surely got to vote em OUT next year 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@greamespens1460You're forgetting this is the politics of tribalism.
It doesn't matter that Cameron, Major, and the majority of Tory MPs were remainers. It's doesn't matter that historically Labour have had a large Eurosceptic wing. It doesn't matter that Major signed what made the EU was it is now, Maastricht.
It's tribal. Tory are all leave and Labour are all remain. Despite that being fully untrue.
he was talking about the caller..@@greamespens1460
This bloke isn't even gammon, he's pure gristle
Maybe someone should point out to him that Cameron left, he didn't get booted out. He ran. So his 6 years was that short because he decided to end his time in no 10!
That was beautiful 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They haven't a clue!!
This guy has to be a political satirist, absolutely genius comedy.
james stop writing your own replies thank you ,,or your family its so cheap...
Why do English nationalist struggle so much with English grammar? Go google how and when to use commas. @@stephenisom6089
Exactly 😂
😂 Brilliant, "I know what you think, I'm just demonstrating you have absolutely no basis for it whatsoever...live on the radio"
The average voter ladies and gents
Sad but true. The current government are proof of this.
Doubtless a leave voter, too.
The average tory voters.
Cognitive dissonance
I can’t believe these ppl have a vote lol
Do these bootlickers not listen to the last time James eviscerated one of them and just think "Ah, maybe I'm not ready for this" before calling?
No, they don't. That would show foresight, and if they had that they wouldn't vote Tory while living in poverty.
Pretty much.
It rehearsed beautifully in front of a pint 😂
@@ClaudioBenghi at Spoons
They know all the talking points, but understand none, so when James challenges them they just fall apart quicker than a digestive in tea...
“What are you having for lunch? I hope it goes better than this”
Oooooch!
David Cameron's the biggest loser of them all.
No, WE are. He goes away and has his pension and his millions and we wind up living with all his made up BS.
"A man who climbed to tge too of the political tree in order to set it on fire."
- Jeremy Paxman
Poor guy got cabin fever trying to write his memoir. Now he’s happy to rejoin a club facing certain relegation.
A close second or third!
That's a bold statement when you consider the calibre of the others in the running for that title 😂
The Dunning-Kruger effect perfectly encapsulated.
"One policy success? I'm trying to think....."
James O'Brien is my new hero. Wish we had his here in he US.
Please take him🙏🙏
@@alanbest9328certainly prefer him than you.
@@alanbest9328conservative clown says what??????
@@alanbest9328 Sure. I'll trade you. You can have our political debate moderators .... all of them.
@@evaburnz ahh diddums, bless
James you're a sadistic man, playing with your lunch like that 😂
Is that an echo? 😂😂😂 This is hilarious😂😂😂😂
I giggled all the way through this 🤣 funniest one I've seen so far
350 mps and he chooses an non elected member to take the 3rd most highest office in the land lol, just shows the lack of talent or sanity left in this joke of a government
Also shows no backbone from the current Mp's to watch what is going on and to say nothing nor do anything.
@@gregorymorton3783 nobody but the tories can do anything. and they always put party first
I feel it’s all set up for the Tories to lose as they probably are going to anyway, they’re best of having “fall men” like Sunak who’s clueless and Cameron who nobody really likes and has had his day, after a few years of more of the same with a Labour government we’ll be seeing Boris do a Trump and run for reelection
YES!!! You’ve said it!!!
@@Topspin1 300+ Conservative could do something but personal gain they say nothing.
The country is back in the black, the one you wear for special occasions.
David Cameron's legacy as prime minister is food banks
I cant think of a single successful tory policy of the last 13 years. Not one….
I mean... They're getting to grips with the rise in obesity.
Sure, it's because working people can't afford 3 meals a day anymore with everything else... But... Progress is painful amirite?
Can you think of a labor one before that then?
@@davidatkinson5858 we were third in world for healthcare and had low waiting times before the tories came in for one.
What about raising the tax thresholds so very low earners pay no tax. There's one.
I'm still convinced these are staged callers.There cannot be that many ignorant people who want to embarrass themselves on national radio
I rang Sheila on two accessions and got through.
There are plenty more where he came from.
“Seventeen point four million of them mate”.
As they keep telling us, ad nauseam !! 🙄
I live in a very affluent area in East Sussex, and I'm surrounded by people sounding exactly like this.
Walk into any one of the thousands of spoons in this country at 1pm.
I bet Fenn wished he'd written more than one statistic on his notepad before calling in to the show. 😂
History viewed with rose tinted glasses what the Tories do best
I'm sure some of these callers have cut-outs of the Daily Mail, Express & Telegraph that they read directly from.
Don't hog the middle lane 🤦
Is this a euphemism for what Dodgy Dave gets up to down on the farm?
I absolutely adore James O'Brien
If the general public was smarter, the actions of the Conservative Party would keep them out of office for a generation.
Sadly, the general public are a lot like this caller.
The one thing that makes Cameron better is that he isn't Braverman the Cruel.
He really should of had a google before he got on the radio 😂 silly mug
I thought James kept saying 'fam' and was very confused
The clearest response was to what are you having for lunch..wow. 😁
@askmartinez6409 He didn't know the answer to that question either!
They’ve joined a club! No amount of rational argument works when people have decided to base their vote on lifelong fealty to a team instead of objectively viewing the actions and outcomes of a political party to which we owe zero allegiance, and determining their vote on that, but Christ why let logic get in the way of the flag colour. Footballification of politics- the reason why we are where we are.
Great comment 👍👍
Kermit you are a wise man
Truer words have never been spoken.😌
Northern Tory’s are the worst
Does that logic work both ways then or just with the other football team?
Sunak helping his wealthy mate Cameron, its just an old boys club for the super rich.
That is what the conservatives stand for.
Hey James, is muppetry contagious? I think so, we have more than our fair share in the U.S.
Some people you just can’t reach.
"He's a great politician."
"So what's his greatest political achievement?"
"I don't know."
Absolute clown.
He did eventually think of an answer. It was "The Middle Lane". That was a bit like saying your favourite colour is 42.
If your one of those who thinks Blair should be in prison, then Cameron should be in the cell next door for what he did in Libya, Its not as if he hadn't seen what happened in Iraq.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
👹The lot of them! Each one as bad as the other! The only true leaders get ousted out like JC bless him. You can't have a heart in that job. You have to be in to make the rich richer & poor poorer. It's not about the people. It's about the elite. The sooner people wake up & realise this the better.
@@TheRip72but 42 is the meaning of Life the universe and everything…..
Gotta love these waterheaded mugs.
just to correct the caller.. austerity was a massive mistake and a spread sheet error
you can look it up..
sadly we are still paying for these cockwoblem being in charge from day one
I would actually be interested in reading up on this, I will use Google but this was a while ago....please share your source if you get five minutes - Thanks
Austerity hasn't ended, if it had things would've returned to how they were before the cuts.
@@thlifethlife-cf1wcit hasn't ended, but even when it does it won't make things better overnight
Rebuilding is always slower than burning things down 🙁
Austerity didn’t go far enough. Without it the markets would’ve quickly lost confidence. It reduced the deficit from 10% of GDP to 2% before covid but it should’ve gone further to nought so we’d have a budget surplus. Would you spend 10% more than your earnings on a regular basis? We have to live within our means.
@@chrisj9700 deficit spending isn't a bad thing if done wisely
As a houshold example, if your car was old, unreliable and putting you at risk of losing your job because you're regularly late for work, would you buy a reliable car on credit?
Investing in future income makes sense. Austerity is when you lose your job rather than buy a car on credit that reliably gets you to work
This is what education, by big media, does to a nation.
They also ripped off millions into off shore Bank account. And don't pay any taxes...
David Cameron's two major achievements were a) he almost became the Prime Minister who ended the 300 year old UK Union, and then after not learning his lesson he b) became the Prime Minister who ended UK membership of EU!
That's some career!!
So now he is given a lordship and a seat on the cabinet.
I definitely should have gone to Eton!!!
What a country this is!!
how has austerity tripled our debt? can a tory explain this? how do you cut funding anything and end up more in debt than before? where has that 2 trillion gone?!
Lockdown fiasco
I think it's called 'scraping the bottom of the barrel' Doesn't Sunak have anyone else? Bringing back a failure is going to be the end for Sunak.
"In your kitchen" had me dyin 😂
Oh lord, it's 2010 again! My time machine works!
To anyone who thinks this is a set up, 2 things.
These people definitely exist and genuinely think they can get one over on James.
Also, if you think you can do better than the pillock on the phone, give James a call, I'm sure he'll be more than happy to show you up on national radio as well
James looked so close to laughing hysterically at that policy success. Well done for keeping a straight face!
it's like James is talking to a pigeon!
We’ve been told for so long, basically, that misery and disaster are just normal and unavoidable.. That any collective prosperity is impossible and that the only way for things to not get even worse is to cut to the bone for the masses and give all the savings to the already wealthy. It’s obscene.
The country and world is against each other on so many issues. This is the problem with both the Tories and Labor. Both so divided.
the tories divided the country with brexit. dont blame anyone else
@@kanedNunable
I said both parties are divided. No one party or political ideology is exempt. No one is denying the division brexit caused . Labour is as divided as the tories. Neither party can decide who they are.
@@kanedNunable it’s been the gift that keeps giving, division as a political strategy, chaos and fear the fertile soil of Fascism.
Jobs for the boys
just too many Plonkers in the world..
Cameron caused pain and distress to millions, he was hard line against the working classes and even as a self employed guy he hammered me financially and don't forget the bedroom tax which was brought in to force people out of their homes, it failed but it's still in place today.
So Fenn from Tebay. The UK's AAA credit rating was under threat ever since we got it and regardless of government. It wasn't Labour that lost it though, guess what, it was the Tories. And they didn't lose one tier, it went down to the fourth and that is under successive governments.
Fenn obviously hasn't looked at the actual quantitative easing figures on the Bank of England's own website either. If he did, he'd see that the QE prior to 2010 was a tiny proportion of all of the QE the BofE made. The majority of all the QE was made by the BofE under Tory appointed stooge, Andrew Bailey. Not sure how anything Fenn Chapman of Tebay said can be backed up.
I hope he has evidence of James's middle lane hogging, though i doubt he does.
This was hilarious!!! 😂😂😂
I've heard this guy's modulated voice before.
His name wasn't Fenn before.
He was talking about Brexit and James ran rings around him then too!
He's obsessed!
Let him talk James, he's a perfect of example of how to talk yourself into the ground.
Savage way to end the call 😂😂
He will probably be the worst foreign secretary in modern history as well as the worst Pm.
That's an achievement considering he had Boris and (I nearly forgot her name) liz Truss as competition in both roles.
Incredible stuff.
Just call me Dave roll up sleeves Brilliant 😂😂😂.
Hope when he goes to the shopping and what he used to get is no longer available who caused it in the first place Cameron and reflect on how he could not stand up to the ERG and the disaster that is Tory Brexit
I have a PhD in politics but I wouldn't take my chances against James on national radio! ;-)
Yep, he’s a real bull fighter, in both senses of the phrase.
"You'll have to answer the question or admit that you're soiling yourself live on national radio."
James has a way of painting a picture wth words....using brown paint here.
This country is on its knees !!!AGREED? WHO HAS BEEN IN CHARGE FOR 13YEARS!!!ITS UNBELIEVABLE!!!
"It's another echo" 😂
James you are a pure genius
Spending on the NHS has gone up because of inflation and forcing trusts to use private for profit companies. Spending per capita has actually been reduced.
The tories don't actually spend money on the NHS itself really at all. It gets funelled out to outsourcing. They don't allow the NHS to spend it internally.
How has spending per capita been reduced? If the expenses for service have gone up plus inflation
@@jamesjacob21as I said in the comments, the Tories don't actually allow the NHS to spend the money they ring fence. It gets fuelling out to the private sector. The NHS aren't allowed to spend it themselves. Goes out to their big business mates with corporate interests in healthcare. It's corruption.
Cameron's appointment is to get the India free trade deal done. The one which won't be scrutinized by parliament.
Sunak is the illegitimate son of Modi...and he could not get a deal...after his mother and modi.. had it off... whats Cameron going to do
Why do i feel like i just watched an episode of Clarke and Dawe? 😂
That ending 😂
That went well Fenn😂
I'm not glad to see Cameron back, he and his chums have done so much damage and why are people defending austerity? Yeah, they had a plan alright. Feathering their own nests. As usual. I hope it goes better than this.🙄
Country becomes more corrupt by the day - we sit and do nothing
I have a company meeting tomorrow and i'm going to use "if i had access to all the statistics" in response to every question
What a plumb
Let's hope the dude relfects and understands that he had no reason to like Cameron. That Cameron actually made his life worse.
Sounds like someone from the working class calling in to tug his forelock. If they could carry a Tories stool they would.
😂he doesn't know what he's cooking about
What you having for lunch...? I laughed so much 😂
This is actually quite common these days, voters go I like X or Y or Z but they are simply incapable of giving any arguments for or against. Democracy is okay in theory but in practice what happens when the majority of voters become clueless drones? Disaster.
Divisive as ever Camerons B/S that was austerity worked out well then
Quite a thing to voluntarily come on public radio to humilate yourself.
The man who claimed a new washing machine on public expenses.. that £300 you needed for food, heating and rent
Loved this video, my chuckle for today. 😂
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