Living 3 Years With My Mazda MX-5 ND - The Definitive Long Term Review
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
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How does a race driver decides on his ideal daily? Can a two seater roadster even be considered a viable candidate? After 3 years and 82.000 km, Gabriele Piana has very good grasp about what his 2017 Mazda MX-5 ND can and can not do. Enjoy this in depth analysis of how this car is to live with daily and why we think Mazda missed the mark on this one.
0:00 - Intro
1:25 - Searching for the Ideal Daily
2:50 - Why NOT a Boring Diesel?
4:48 - Why NOT a Racecar For The Road?
5:56 - Cost of Ownership, The Real World Figures
9:30 - Top 5 Things That I Hate About My MX-5 ND
16:04 - Top 5 Things That I Love About My MX-5 ND
19:24 - The BIGGEST FLAW of the Mazda MX-5 ND
24:59 - Is the ND the ideal car for YOU?
27:28 - The Epilogue: And Now What?
Join us next Friday, and every Friday for the next 4 weeks, to see Gab trying to fall in love again with his MX-5 by searching aftermarket solutions to address most of the issues discussed above. Can we succeed and turn this one around? - Авто та транспорт
3:41 "I want to feel something when I'm doing it"
Don't we all Gabe...
Actually, the only thing we want to feel is the joy of watching Kostas cook!
ahaha same here!
that's what she said
Fucking Tim! xDDD
I drove my MX-5 NA for 17 years. 1996-2013. Yes, I went through midlife crisis and menopause driving this car on a daily basis. I still miss it. Got the 2020 ND last October, a birthday gift to dear old me. Miata or nothing!!
The fact that you have an ND and miss your NA is my whole point. The ND could have been a NA 2020 but in reality is just a watered down nostalgia operation that I thoroughly don't enjoy.
On the other hand, I am sure many do and good for them. Still, this does not make it a good car to me :D
@@GabrielePiana my biggest issue with the ND is that the hood/fender view is atrocious. My god i feel like im driving a GMC Sierra or an 18 wheeler.. The older MX5s had actual sports car visibility. The mazda engineers should have known better. The perception of speed and motion is directly proportional to how much of the road's surface directly in front of you is visible out of your peripherals as you drive by. when the hood is as long and tall as an Imperial star destroyer and your line of sight STARTS 20 foot in front of your car, the speed sensation is lost and the car just feels muted. This is why cars like the 370z, R35 GTR, and Dodge Challenger are "fast car boring". they feel like you're sitting in a fancy elevator. all you feel is G-force doing 300kph, but you see no speed and the experience is dulled. while on a bike with no helmet would feel like a rocket ship only going 100kph. The miata used to be more like this... they're better than this. what were they thinking.
Miata is always the answer.
@@shiftintohigh5564 unless it's an NC or ND
Wow, you are a true driver at heart!
In the meanwhile, the whole video was recorded while driving and the audio is perfect 👌
Checkmate!
Jokes aside, we can argue about everything but not about the level of cabin noise.
Perfect audio at 50 with a professional microphone 10cm away from my mouth, yeah, one gotta hope so!
Things Gab hates:
"The usb charge!"
"The manual closing electric windows!"
"The noise!"
"The steering wheel that adjusts only in depth!"
Me stuck inside my NB... "i'M i A jOkE tO yOu?!?"
in the meanwhile:
"what is an usb?"
"at least we have electric windows, the slowest on earh but we have them"
"FULL EXHAUST! with semislick, cause why not"
"tiny and beatiful fixed seats produced somewhere in uk and an oldstyle steering wheel"
At least is reliable, it wont stop while you're going to the Nurb..
@@santalfredos17 depends if you pass through Switzerland or not...
@@ArisDrives oh, I see.
I give it all back for a proper steering man
@@GabrielePiana going back serious. Can’t you give more caster and negative camber and improve the thing?
While I disagree somewhat with many aspects of your review, I still loved every second of it. I have my 2015 MX-5 in stock form, and absolutely adore driving it. Perhaps I am a customer similar to your father 😌
My previous car was a 1.5 2018 mx5 and upgraded to a 2022 2 litre and have discovered that many issues complained about have been improved since then. The steering has been improved in 2024, Mazda are always trying to make this car better. This is a close to perfect car for me. I am also a similar height.
Fuck, almost stopped procrastinating, here we go again!
procrastinating increases creativity tho!
@@GabrielePiana actually it's right because of procastinating I learned to play the guitar
@@giovanniiurilli6667 Scientific facts. That's what we are all about.
What a great review! Watched every second. You are very engaging and I found myself smiling throughout much of the vid. Well done guys, now subscribed 👍
I never owned a Miata BEFORE my ND Club. I've had so much fun in this car & many days during this Pandemic its been the total BAD mood breaker ! Owned since 2017 March 10th. Saw the Fiat 124 Spyder Abarth video review 1st & one sunny day after work stopped by the local Fiat dealer for a test drive 2017 124 Spyder Abarth. I was in traffic & this accented the heavy clutch feel along with its notchy shifter. Add the turbo lag & delayed throttle response ... very unimpressed. Next day the 2016 Mx-5 Club with BBS / Brembo package. Same White color as that Abarth with Black trim. What a difference in clutch feel ! So light / shifter very easy to find the gears. Throttle response instantly gives it to you ! This was the car that impressed. The dealer even let me test drive it for the weekend knowing it would SELL me ! Monday I made it official & bought it ! Very under rated car overall. Winter tires transform it in snow. Its my daily driver not a toy !
Any Bad weather it has performed really well. Best car I've owned & my garage has had some very nice cars before. I think the problem is you don't appreciate the soft top down driving as my top is down 75% of the time. Its also my 1st convertible.
Hi Alan! I am very happy you are loving the car! I unfortunately cannot oversee the lack of driver feedback 😥
@@GabrielePiana Sorry your senses have died so soon in life ! 😢
@@ag4allgood Hi Alan!
You don’t really need to patronize and dismiss my opinion to defend yours you know?
I am glad you are enjoying your car and I really don’t think you are doing something wrong because of that, more power to you! I’m not trying to convince you otherwise even!
Heck I even say it in the video that some people will love it and good for them, no need to get all defensive about your beloved ND, I think your time would be better spent driving it!
I have years of experience in Motorsport and in the automotive world testing and developing cars and setups, I’m fairly confident that my senses are just as sharp as they ever were 👊🏻
24:00 what I’ve heard Mx5 owners do is to change the springs of the car in order to eliminate body roll totally. There are many UA-cam videos that are tutorials of how to do it. Everyone who have done this and say that it feels amazing.
I test drove the 2021 Mx5 manual yesterday and although I loved it; I literally told my friend that I felt like I was driving an OG Ford more than 100 years ago 😂 if I were to describe it and I own a 2020 VW Jetta is that the Mx5 feels EXTREMELY raw. I’m a bit nervous that it’ll get tiring after a while but for now I am still planning on buying it! I had fun driving it and I started laughing so much at one point because I was in third gear and in the cabin there is a ton of noise, the exhaust, the wind, etc, I felt like I was going 100mph when I was only doing 45😂 it was at that point that I started laughing and decided that I was going to get this thing soon.
Hi Aldo!
Changing the springs might definitely help with reducing body roll although as stated many times, the “softness” of the car is only part of the issue. The steering feel is much more of a problem.
Naturally, coming from a Jetta daily drive the ND will feel incredibly competent and therefore it might be the perfect car for you! If you loved it, you should go and buy it without being concerned with my opinion.
Just be aware of what you are buying, feeling like going 100mph when going 45mph gets old REALLY fast 😜
I replaced the springs on my 2021 ND2 before I hit 500 miles. The new springs not only give the car a more positive cornering feel with less roll (there is still a bit of roll in high speed cornering), but also have the added benefit of giving the car the proper stance. The 2 inch gap between the wheel and fender well always bothered me. The car looks and drives better with a minimum investment if you are a do it yourself guy. Just needs an alignment for which I recommend the specs given by Flyin’ Miata.
I’ve had an NB, NC, and now an ND. I have always considered the Miata to be a platform more than a completed car. It is cheap enough to modify to your liking while maintaining a high degree of reliability. In addition to the performance springs, I have added a complete exhaust that is more open but not obnoxiously loud, 6 piston calipers and 12.88 inch slotted rotors up front and 4 pistons in the back with lighter rotors. I was thinking about adding stiffer sway bars, but I think I am stopping here. These modification just made the car better in every way without impacting the daily driver needs.
I did all the work myself, so the cost was probably an additional US$5,000. I can’t think of a better option for right around US$40,000. After the first year I still smile ear to ear every day I drive.
That feeling is why the MX-5 is the best. Nothing else matters except for that feeling.
@@robertdawson5303
You young people are funny af, try driving anything from 50-70s then come back and talk about "roll" in a ND Miata!
I absolutely want to buy a car that feels like it's 31 years old lol. Most newer cars make me feel nothing, the ND makes me feel engaged and connected to the car in a fun way. I've driven it back to back with the NC at an autocross and the NC felt like a pig in comparison, hardly chasing "ultimate performance".
I know it's a crazy thought, but if you're so upset with the suspension that you can rant about it for several minutes at a time, modify it lol.
Hello Al!
But you don’t really. You want a modern car without the modern handicaps (electronic this and that, automatic gearboxes etc)
You don’t want suspension from 31 years ago, you don’t want brakes from 31 years ago and you don’t want tires from 31 years ago. I can guarantee it!
Im happy you are enjoying your ND, I really am and I can even imagine this far, being lighter, being more fun at an autocross event (although there are so many variable in your comparison is difficult to take it factually).
Bottom line, the Mx5 should not be about ultimate performance but should be FUN and engaging and honest on the road.
To me, the ND is far from that since the combo of wobbly setup and dead steering makes you feel nothing about what’s really happening 🤷🏻♂️
And I‘d say that an MX5 with no „feel“ is just pointless 🥺
@@GabrielePiana I don't own a ND, but I have driven it a bunch of times. It's incredibly easy to toss it into corners with great accuracy and the 2.0L engine is great (though I have heard it's quite lame with the 1.5). The body roll on the stock car is just fine by me. I did own a stock 1990 Miata a few years ago by the way, so I do want a 31-year-old car and loved it lol. It all comes down to preference.
@@AlDim000 I think Gabe is comparing to cars like the Honda S2000, which (while no Lotus) were quite a bit sharper than an MX5.
Problem is that you live in Swiss, you can’t change anything in this car. I had NBFL, now I have NCFL ( more powered, lower, harder, sharper, faster, with good breaks) but first months when I changed cars I wasn’t sure if I like it more than NB. As stock you need also to think about version with Bilstein etc, that’s a different. NC is also floppy with normal shocks.
I will try nd next year ;)
I heard about steering lacks, that NC makes it 1000x better, but we will see :)
This has to be the best review of the MX5 ever. Period! It has everything, i.e, facts, fun, passion, alternative/controversial viewpoints. Awesome work guys. I think I want one more than ever now.
what "period" have to do with this video? why did you add it into the sentence?
“Period” is the American word for full stop. Hopefully this makes sense to you now.
The single best review of this car I have ever come across. It is what journalism should be. His presentation style is engaging, honest and most importantly you get a sense of what the car is ACTUALLY like to drive, not just crap like how fast to 62kph etc. Untainted by politics it’s just really realistic. Great video.
Hi Graham!
Thank you very much for the kind words. As a consumer and customer first of all, I really had trouble wrapping my head around how far removed my experience was compared to all the raving reviews.
It might be that we don’t have to please a Publisher or a manufacturer that lent us the car, nor we are invested in the MX5 community and we are then able to provide an „outsider“ view?
I really don’t know
@@GabrielePiana I suspect you are right. There is no editorial nicety. You don’t have to worry about getting the next model to review, or alienate the manufacturer.
But more than that: for once you told me how it FEELS to be in this car, something that most reviews just miss.
I want to buy an open top sports car that gives me real ‘feel’ but has some creature comforts. Now I am not so sure about an MX-5. I suspect I will need a Porsche, or perhaps a BMW Z4 (2nd gen). But I will approach a test drive much better advised, so thank you!
Besides you have a naturally interesting presenting style.
I bought an ND (2.0) 🥳
Thank you so much. Your honest video is extremely helpful.
I own an ND2 and I thought I was the only one having issues with the handling and steering. This is the most honest MX-5 ND review I've seen. I changed the suspension to CUSCO Sport S. Eliminated the body roll but dead steering feel is still there. Straight from the factory, my 2012 Toyota 86 has better handling and steering feel than the ND2, even with the CUSCO 24-way adjustable suspension. I have a suspicion that Mazda engineers designed the ND for a specific market: senior-aged American drivers. Sorry, I had to mention it.
Hi Francis!
I have a feeling that you are pretty much bang on the money as far as the market they went for :(
So sad!
Yeah our car also a lot better after the mods we did ua-cam.com/video/8qq3m3fORE4/v-deo.html but the steering... well... this Friday we are releasing the last episode of the series where all answers will be given!
I've a MX-5 ND2 184cv since 2019 and and I did about 35000 km. For me it's a really funny car and it's really difficult not to rev it in the corners. I did some works, changed wheels and tyres, the spring and the muffler. Every time is a pleasure.
Did they fix the steering?
@@Moriggia sicuramente è migliorata molto, ora è più diretto, ha un senso del centro molto più definito ed è meno moscio.
@@LucasD180 grazie, domani vado a provare la 184cv 2022, ho già provato una 160 cv del 2017 e mi è piaciuta abbastanza ma l'ho guidata in una strada con traffico quindi nulla di ecclatante.
Great review! Thank you!
Do you trying to drive RX-8? How it's compare to ND in corners?
Hi Igor!
Thanks for the kind words.
I have not driven an RX8 yet but I am surrounded by RX8 fans so one day I might end up in one! I heard great things!
Great video! While I agree with your take on the body roll, I think Mazda was targeting people like your dad or the non-racer first. They know the enthusiast will modify the suspension, which is not really hard to do.
Hello there!
I’m not so sure Mazda deliberately built in a bad setup for enthusiasts to swap out. It feels like they went for a specific feel. There is nothing wrong with it, in theory, although the combination of it with the steering makes for a very disappointing car to me.
I also have the theory that it is also built for the enthusiast because the fenders can accommodate tires and rims much larger than the stock ones without modifications, while in many other cars this is not possible.
I saw that you can put 9j channel rims and 235 / 40r17 tires semislick, I myself have 17x9j and 225 / 45r17 semislick. Think if you add some hp.
Yeah but most enthusiasts would then rather buy a car without intrusive traction control and more direct steering feel that's lighter for a lower price, like the previous gens. The only pro in their mind to buying a new Miata besides having a nicer interior and more amenities is that it works better, but it doesn't. enthusiast that are going to mod their car the way they like it would rather have more money for mods instead of buying a 30k$ Miata and having little money leftover for mods and then the body roll and steering feel isn't there. The nd is great but they really should revise the suspension, if I'm buying new I don't expect a firm ride since it is a user friendly car, but I expect less body roll and more rigidity.
@@GabrielePiana I like the suspension on less than perfect roads, and the steering issue goes away on twisty roads.
This isn't a car for the Autobahn or US Interstates, but for the Alps, Ardennes, Vosges, or British B roads
I have the exact same car, although in Australia the 1.5L comes with LSD. I track my car a lot and I have found that 3 things transform it from 2CV to modern sports car. 1) adjustable sway (anti-roll) bars, 2) Eibach Pro springs, 3) sportier rubber (in my case Potenza RE71R on stock 16" wheels). And of course brake pads and racing brake fluid for the track. It is spot on for me now. Performs well on the street and feels sharp and responsive on the track. I haven't found anything to fix the non-self centrering steering though. Tried increasing static camber, caster and even a bit of toe. Car still needs constant steering input on the freeway.
Hey Richard!
Great to hear you are having fun with your ND!
I have no doubt in my mind that it can be turned into a competent car on track. Nevertheless, your comment about the steering leaves me very unhappy.
Maybe it’s me, but an MX5 with THIS kind of steering feel just is unacceptable and completely not fun on the road.
I don’t care about making the car faster on track, I want to have fun. This steering completely spoils it for me.
@@GabrielePiana I think the steering feel issue is related to the EPAS system . . . Steering rack swap?
What?! They come with an LSD in Au??? I wish they also sold it that way in Germany :( I’m forced to buy the 2.0l sports line
@@Socks3657 Yep, only models with no LSD in Australia are the Automatics.
@@apexhugger I have a 2017 ND with the same steering issue. Wheel alignment is not the issue. It’s the EPS and I’m pondering on a steering rack swap. I read later models from 2018 have an updated rack.
I like the way this video is different from the usual ones from OLH and I especially like the honest and emotional review of the car! Also, this video is very long but once arrived at the end it didn't felt like it was, this is a big pro.
Birra guadagnata
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Different strokes for different folks. Got an RF and i absolutely love it.
Thanks for the honest review! In the same class of car, would you prefer something like the BRZ over the ND if given the choice for your reasons?
with the noise issue, why did you not choose the targa hard top? Also, I don't own one yet, I am waiting for my order to be delivered, but I have test driven one and I have not noticed the steering flaw, now I am a bit concerned....
So what do you recommend? What can double as a DD and give you the feel you want? I had the opportunity to drive an S2000 for an extended time, but it was just too uncomfortable (for me) to use as a DD.
2:40 This is exactly why I'm loving my MX5. It's great on the fun roads and the race circuit but most of these things are 100s of miles away. So you are able to get their in comfort without using too much fuel and then have your fun.
Hi!
I am very happy you are loving it, to me unfortunately is underwhelming and lackluster on the road and straight up bad on the track, in stock form. But we are working on it!
ua-cam.com/video/8qq3m3fORE4/v-deo.html
@@GabrielePiana It's hilarious how defensive you are about anyone having a positive experience with a car you personally don't like. Did you really take the time to respond to anyone and everyone who wrote a positive experience to tell them how they are wrong? Of course you phrase your comments as just an opinion, but it's pretty obvious how desperate you are to tell anyone with a different opinion that your perspective is superior. I can't tell if you are extremely insecure, or just a douche.
This review confirmed this is the car for me. I'm not looking for a fast car, that can corner great. I want something fun to drive and switch up in-between the family suv and pickup. Once again great review!
A refreshing review of the ND from someone other than a journo.
I own an ND2 RF in Aus (our RF's only have the 2.0L).
The cars equipped with Carplay have a much higher output at least in one of the usb ports. I always have Maps or Spotify open and when I check the battery level of my iPhone XsMax even just a few minutes later, it's significantly higher than it was.
Totally agree with the auto-up windows. For me, when entering a car park, shifting gears along with not curbing the wheels and putting down the ticket somewhere safe is already enough stuff to do. So adding in the window is a bit annoying.
Some further improvements could be a digital speed display, oil temperature gauge, and permanent touch screen (all fairly minor gripes).
Also not sure why the doors are so long for a 2 seater car. This is annoying in tight car spaces.
As for grip, I find the standard Bridgestone S001's have very low grip for a more performance oriented tire. In the dry it's not so apparent, but even with the slightest amount of water, the car slides easily. When giving a bit more throttle, it even makes me question if my traction/dsc system is even working when I almost never switch it off. But I love that it's super playful.
Suspension is very soft and is never done settling by the time I'm done with a quick cheeky slide and sometimes makes me feel this is actually much more challenging than if the suspension were firmer and more predictable. It's pretty much the only thing I'd change on the car, but certainly in no hurry for now.
But when driving normally, the ride is a bit firm and jiggly. Or maybe this is only because the car is so light. Only when throwing it into a corner (more than say 6/10ths) will it enter a 'second stage' of suspension travel. Really strange.
The RF is much quieter and I recently went for a long drive on the motorway and found it extremely stable at speed. Very easy to keep the car centred in the lane. The Mazda service department always sets my tire pressures to 36psi (17inch wheels) but I always change it back to 30psi so maybe that helps? The tire pressure sticker recommends 29psi all round so not sure why Mazda's service departments keep doing 36psi.
Steering feel is fine for me, though I get that electronic power assist is never as good as hydraulic. But I never get the feeling that it's vague.
Will go and check if my cars steering self centres right now and edit this post very soon. I suspect Mazda has updated it in the later ND cars.
Edit: 2020 ND2 steering self centres and has no noticeable vagueness around the centre. I think Mazda has probably done a lot minor updates without mentioning them.
Thanks for the steering wheel update. Helps to decide :D
What year is your RF? Lots of changes 2019+
I think the steering feel and centering is helped with a different alignment.
2 bar as recommended by Mazda is tops (2015 1.5L on 16" )
I typically run higher pressures in my regular cars, but not so on the MX5
I've had them at 2.2 bar, and reduced it again to 2.
2.5 bar / 36psi is for when I put it in storage, and then it drives like $h!7
Die hards may find the suspension a bit soft, but I think it's excellent for daily use on our not so great roads, and it's especially nice over speed bumps.
Back in the day when they came out, Mazda stated they used a not too aggressive tyre so one could play with oversteer without it biting back when it grips again.
My 1.5L came with Yokohama Advan something , and they have the same characteristics. Being more of a Michelin kinda guy, I don't like them in the wet.
Both "issues" can easily be solved for those who want or need to.
If you want more grip, there's always stickier tyres - and snappier oversteer beyond their limit.
@@Wannes_ I’ve just purchased an ND1 in the states and daily it. I feel the softer suspension and steering feel issue people talk about but to me a lot of it is blown way out of proportion. I have yet to autocross the car or book a trackday until I get pads and tires sorted because mine came on Goodyear all-seasons. Remember, these aren’t designed to be fast out of the box, they are designed to be fun.
the most honest MX5 review I`ve seen yet, by far. it confirms my own short test drive experience, and the feeling I had of being in a boat, not a car. besides, my back started hurting about two minutes in, due to missing lumbar support. the question of course becomes why this reviewer missed the drawbacks he mentions in the first place, before purchase? boy, but I sure am glad I didn`t fall for all the MX5 rave reviews and opted for that used porsche boxster with hydraulic power steering instead...if only the fuel consumption were on the MX5 level, that is...
the section about the non-existent self-centering is so true; found myself having to continually adjust on the highway
Ciao Gabriele, cosa ne pensi di una ND 2.0 184cv vs GR86? A entrambe posso mettere un coilover senza problemi. Vorrei usarla per driftare ogni tanto, ma soprattutto godermi i giri sulle alpi... ho provato una 160cv e mi ha dato più o meno le tue impressioni ma pensavo che con l'assetto si sistemasse, invece mi sa che lo sterzo che non si autocentra potrebbe rimanere così.
When he says he doesn’t want to drive a 30 yr old feeling car I understand a bit. I always loved the looks of the 1960s Mustangs and thought I wanted to own one. Then I drove a friend’s 1965 Mustang. It was a stick, which is the set up I would’ve gotten. But, my god, the steering and the braking of this 1965 car had me feeling like I could die at any moment. The car was so floaty and the braking so slow I couldn’t believe THIS was a sports car at one time. I think that’s what the reviewer is getting at. Based on his level of experiences, the ND was his 1965 Mustang.
Hey there!
Yeah that’s pretty much it. Problem being that the car is being sold NEW, in 2021, with a price tag north of 30k Euros and it’s being pushed like it’s the best thing ever.
I believe no 65 Mustang owner would pretend their car is the most amazing driving machine ever, but maybe I’m wrong on this 😂
I just got a used RF GT. Do you guys get your windows tinted? Why or why not? Thanks.
Very honest review - liked it!
This is the best mx-5 review on youtube, thank you.
agreed
The most honest review of Mx5 ND you can find on UA-cam. Bravo !
Thank you for the kind words! I understand there is a degree of subjectivity to all reviews but I guarantee I said only what I really believe
I do confirm it is not an highway car as it needs constant input and it’s noisy but on mine it does come back 95% of the way to center. ND 1.5 rf is equipped with 17 inch and it make sense in stability, I think its the tires that have some negative input. Body roll versus comfort modification with coilovers will be a difficult choice for a daily.
I have been waiting so long for this review and look forward to the mods and new tests on the ring.
Hey Stefan! Glad you liked the review. Yeah, it is always difficult to strike a compromise of course but in 2020 many manufactures actually regularly manage to get close to it. Mazda instead seems further away from it than in 1989. The ND tries to please everyone and eventually it’s just not excelling anywhere
12:50, the seating position and lack of wheel adjustment was why I upgraded to ND2 from ND1. I even further lowered my seat by 1.25 inch (3cm +) to further improve driving position using a aftermarket bracket.
Hello Haibo! Yes, totally aware those are improvements in the ND2!
Haibo J do you have the same feeling with steering on ND2?
@@giuseppemancino5174 steering feedback has been fixed since 2018 ND1 I think, I owned a 2016 for 3 years and a 2019 now. There is a very noticeable difference.
@@haiboj4979 thank you!
@OneLapHeroes. Any issues with carbon buildup on intake values with high mileage?
I enjoy mine and I think it's the best. When I have to run an errand it turns it into a fun trip. I have nothing more to ask from a car.
Hi Buz!
No issue there, I'm genuinely happy you are loving it!
I take a small issue with your phrasing tho, if I may, since I can guarantee is not the best at anything. But you love it, that's ok and that's what matter eventually :D
Amazing review! Thanks
Thank you for the kind words!
Love and appreciate your honest review and thoughts! Can't wait to see if you find any noteworthy improvements. I am happy with my new ND2 2020 2.0L, I agree steering feel isn't the best, perhaps can convert to a manual steering rack? I smile every shift and turn and drive top down 95% in California beaches and canyons, closest feeling to a motorcycle on four wheels. Wanted to support lightweight manuals cars by buying a lightweight manual new. Not many options under 2500lbs here in the US. Plan to keep it for 30 years as future 2030 cars will be all electric. My second car can be a crappy whatever four door car/suv
Hi Danny! Thanks for watching and commenting! I have had people commenting the ND2 steering is FANTASTIC and now you come and spoil the party?! :P
Btw, I feel it's quite normal for the steering to still be on the wrong side of good in the ND2 as well, since the most they could have done is a software upgrade, which fixes nothing. Swapping the rack would be an incredibly intensive job as I am sure the system is integrated with ESC, ABS and whatever else.
I have no doubt this car gives smiles for your case use, it can be a good car for some customers and I am very happy it works for you! As I said in many comments, to me steering and general feel of the car are absolutely crucial metrics, for others can be annoying but not so important, horses for courses!
I wish you the best with your 30 years plan, I also have a dream car to keep for that long but the ND sadly ain't it :D
Props for buying Miata new! And props for saying that "crappy whatever four door car/SUV or electric car" don't need help buying new. I'm so sick of that "enthusiast" mentality where they go "don't buy a car new -- it loses its value the moment you leave the dealer!1!1" and jump used sports cars every year, yet a buy brand new "Mach E".
Great review, thank you for the specific details. The premise clearly stated the checkboxes the buying decision was based upon. I think this car is for me. I am not a race car driver, and I feel this is the best I can get within means. The fact that you drove it for years is a testament that even a race car driver can keep it long enough sans the racy feel on the curves. Good luck with your next purchase or share some of the mods you did to the car. Thanks. Subscribed!
Great analysis...I owned an ND1 soft top i-sport trim with the 150hp engine and it felt like driving a small boat at times. I then owned a ND2 RFClub and the 181 hp ... feels more purposefully built. Would be interesting to get your opinion on the RFClubs
As an owner of 1.5 Nd I agree with most of the criticism, as you would do in the coming episodes I also upgraded suspension first with oem eibach springs, body roll dropped handling improved , but it was not enough so I jumped to Tein coilovers & now I am happy with them. For the road noise part I took out all the interior apart & applied sound deadener to the whole cabin and luggage compartment & all area behind the seats, under the roof storage area... result is good no more excessive road noise. I also took out the sound tube ! Useless. Nothing to do with wind noise coming rear part of the roof as it is just a single layer top... to my opinion if you decide to buy the Nd you need to step by step improve the the car as a hobby :)
Hi there!
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment first of all!
You certainly did quite a lot of work to the car, some might argue that putting insulating material is against the "lightweight" spirit of the car but actually I believe you should do whatever the hell you want with it!
Eventually I even like the idea of having the car and "tweak" it to my tastes, but this time I feel is beyond the point. I cannot fix the BS steering, no matter what I tried (until now) it still feels like the worst steering I ever driven, and in a MX5 this is such a letdown I can barely wrap my head around it!
I’ve been daily driving a ‘95 NA as my only car for the last 13 years. It’s got nearly 300k km on it now.
I was considering getting an ND a couple years ago but ended up getting an NB for basically the reason you said.
If you want a car that feels like the NA/NB, then get one of those. So now the most modern car I’ve ever owned is from 2004.
That is a very good way to put it. The ND seems to me just like a nostalgia tribute, which would be great if they retained what made the NA great (steering) but actually they retained all the weak points and took out the advantages
me daily drive nd for 6 years and 230k km lol.
I think I know where you're coming from regarding steering. I test drove an ND2 a while back and the steering felt more similar to my Camry than I was expecting.
Not that I was complaining though! I felt right at home, and the feeling of flying down a street even at low speeds already sold me on this car! I'm probably the target audience for it, since I also rarely need to haul other people and cargo.
Well done with the honest review, sir! I have owned a GT86, a BRZ and a ND with the 2.0. I always loved the lack of weight in the Miata and its playfulness, how well the chassis is set and how neutral it goes around corners. However, I also always wished I had the BRZ's steering in the Miata, and the BRZ's seats as well. Oh, and the BRZs superfast one click window rolling up 😂
Hi Matheus!
Yeah, BRZ general feel and ND weight could very well be the answer, such a shame this unicorn does not exist! :D
The ND2 engine and gearing are so much more satisfying than the BRZ and 86 twins, I loved my 86, but the engine really let it down, looks like the new generation might be the answer.
@@bobreno4042 i got to say, once I did a tune with the OFT I had no issues with the BRZ engine.. before it also annoyed me a bit. That infamous torque dip is the issue. Tune it and you're good 👍 or get a MX5 which is also a brilliant car. Can't go wrong with either
The key engineering marvel for ND is weight reduction! The keyword is Retro!Let’s not complain...
I own a 2019 ND-2 Club w/ BBS wheels + Brembo brakes + Recaro seat, BTW 😜
Hey!
Agreed, the car is an engineering marvel in several areas, but it drives and feels nowhere near what an MX5 should!
I just cannot live with an MX5 with horrible steering feel, I just cannot do that. That was the whole point of the thing!
Good te see a honest review. I own the Nc, with the sportive package. With the right suspension, lsd etc. Its a different car than without. And recently i discovered Tires (and rims) are also very important! Sad to hear they made the same kind of mistakes. Because they can be great fun cars.
Hi Peter!
Imagine all the “problems” of your stock NC plus an even worse steering 😭😭😭😭
yeah, but WE WANT COOKING WITH KOSTAS!
YEAHS ahahah
You are absolutely correct in your assessment of the stock ND. But i saw the potential. I am in the USA and I bought a new 2017 GT that comes with the 2.0, took it directly to a Mazda Motorsport Cup Car builder and if you could drive my car now you would love it! Supercharged helps too.
Thank you for your explanation!
I have a model identical to yours and I completely agree with everything you said!
Hi Alberto!
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! I feel better knowing I'm not alone! We are doing some work on the car maybe fixing it?
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Great info!
I got me an NC2 last November, and changed the busted suspension for coil overs. I got light flow formed wheels and light lug nuts from Flyin' Miata. I replaced all fluids, and upgraded the coolant tank with the Moroso aluminium one. The NC2 has hydraulic power steering so there is great feel through the steering. The PRHT greatly reduces noise at highway speeds. I know the NC series is the most hated MX-5, but I adore this thing. An NC for less than half the price of an ND with a few mods, and it is all the car I ever wanted.
Hello there!
That is a cool story and I wish you a lot of happy miles with your NC! Go out, drive it as hard and as much as you can and don’t worry about what people think about it!
@@GabrielePiana Thanks, I'm only concerned about a car's handling, not what anyone may think about it. Cheers!
@@GabrielePiana I do drive the thing as it should be driven! I even make excuses to go out and drive it again. I even go on drives for the sake of the drive, lol. Again, thanks for you honesty, and your time. Have fun out there!
... a honest review !!! GREAT
Thank you from taking the time to watch and comment!!
I think your observation is why you get sport pack upgrade for the 2liter with bilstein suspension and added roll bar.
The comment 8:32 about the reliability is spot on in my opinion. It’s partly why the MX-5 is a legend. I own a ND RF and it’s a near perfect in terms of reliability.
I agree with you in relation to the usb charging port. The windows closure feature is there to protect hand being trapped. I have no issue with the steering wheel. This MX5 suits me very well. I enjoy driving it more than my F87 M2.
I agree with you 100%! I bought mine in 2017, a 2.0 GT. I then had it completely built up, Wilwood 6 piston (way overkill) Edelbrock Supercharger, LSD, Racing clutch, complete suspension for racing and built by Long Road Racing who at the time built MX-5 Global cup cars and they termed mine the Ultimate MX-5. I do have other cars to choose from but this one is the most fun to drive, just turned 68k miles.
Hey Mike!
I have no doubt that it might be a fun car after so much work, but are we talking about what? 50k MX5? For that price, I can guarantee you I'd buy so many things before an MX5 :D
@@GabrielePiana what would u buy
Does the 2ltr have a slightly firmer set up? I wonder if just a front sway bar would solve it
Honest review I ever seen! Respect! Can you compare it to NC2?
Great advice, great video, great car👍
It can't be that bad if he used it as a daily driver for three years!
Hello Stephen!
The car was leased as company car hence there were other considerations also when deciding to sell it earlier.
Beside this, as I clearly state in the video, the car was quite good at being a car (albeit with all the compromises), I just was heavily disappointed since it is far removed from what a “good driving car” should be.
This is of course my main issue since, if an MX5 is not good at being fun then what’s the point? Indeed I believe this car, as configured, is pretty pointless.
@@GabrielePiana Hello Gabriele!
I am new to your channel and opinions. I have had my MX-5 ND for a similar time but I bought mine meaning I could sell it it on at any time. But I have never felt the need since it has always remained a fun car for me. Perhaps it is because mine is the the U.K. sport spec with 2.0L engine, Bilstein shocks and LSD. Or maybe you are a much better, and therefore perceptive driver than me. I do not know or care but for me my car is certainly always FUN. Not sure how anybody can take your opinions of a car seriously when your opinion is slanted by 'lease lock in' - good or bad.
@@stephenhawes5391 Hello Stephen!
I really struggle to understand the connection between the car being locked in for a lease and it being good or bad?
I feel you are taking this personally and getting defensive about it but I am happy the car is fun to you, as I said in the video there is undoubtedly a crowd for it, and you might be bang on in the middle of it!
Nobody here is trying to convince you that you should sell it, if you enjoy it by all means keep on trucking! We are big advocates that whatever makes you tick, you should do.
Given that I drive/race/test and develop cars for a living I can say with a degree of certainty that it is likely I have a much wider range of products to compare the car to, so it’s weaknesses might be more obvious to me than to someone who has a more limited experience. I believe this is what qualifies my opinion, not wether the car is leased or not.
you didn't undestand maybe, good for daily except from the space of course but not good for sportscar
@@GabrielePiana Hi Gabriele, I think Stephen’s main point might have been that if you had one of the ND models WITH Bildstein and LSD (like he does) you might have a different opinion. I’m shopping for a Miata and must have watched all the ND videos I could and all concur: the Bilstein equipped models have much less bodyroll. Lastly I understand from Stephen is that if you were not locked-in you could have traded for a Bilstein equipped Miata ...
Anyway thanks for the video
Any idea how the soft feel compares to the NC - is that preferable over the ND?
I think this is by far the most honest and objective review, especially considering its from an owner! Thank you sir for your honesty. The steering wheel not returning to center paired with body roll is not a "sports" car for me.
Then what car for the same price? Also, would the optional bilstein dampers fix the body roll?
Love your honesty. Maybe the Club Edition would feel better cornering. Very thorough review!
1.5ND owner here. Just like yours, but 2016 and even more basic, with no infotainment. nor bluetooth. Only AC.
I agree the car presents more body roll than expected, yes. And the feeling when you're driving on the edge is a bit loose. You're not sure what the car is doing and therefore it can be a bit umconfortable driving it fast. I'm not a race driver by any means and even i feel that.
But i think you're being unreasonable. You have to understand Mazda offers upgraded suspension on other versions. And, more important than that, is the availability of tuning parts. This is valid for every japanese sports car, since like ever. Basically every JDM legend from the past is what it is because of 2 things: Brilliant engineering of the manufacturer that create cars with infinite potential, and top notch support from the various tuning companies that make use of that potential. Be it GT-R, Supra, NSX, 3000GT, Civics, S2K, etc. Each of them started as a great base, that was turned to legend on extreme versions by the manufacturers, and/or by tuning companies.
This car, as is, is excellent value for both those that just want to pop the roof down and enjoy the sun, and for those that will modify the heck of it.
You just can't expect a new 20k car to be perfect for you, a race driver, while being also perfect for the main customer base.
A car like this, for this price, to be able to be such a good daily driver speaks volumes about the sheer brilliance of its engineering, and really, it negates you comparing it to a classic car.
Hey Tiago! Thanks for sharing your thoughts first of all.
It seems tho, that most of the commenters, including you, either did not watch the whole video or are just focusing on one aspect, the car setup.
I literally could not care less if the car was just a bit too soft, or the alignment too safe. That is ONE of the problems but not THE problem.
You say I’m being unreasonable because I need a car to satisfy my race driver needs, but in reality your assumption is wrong since I DELIBERATELY bought the ND because I believed to be a re-incarnation of the NA. Not a lot of grip, not a lot of power but incidentally a lot of fun with all the bonuses of a new car.
In reality tho, as I already wrote somewhere else, the car is built to mimick what the NA would do in 1989 (I will not discuss wether or not this is acceptable in 2021 from a car that list price is over 30k) while at the same time taking out all the feeling and pleasure the NA brought to the table.
I would not mind the extra roll if the car was fun and engaging. But it just is not that (to me).
Hope you watched the entire video because the points you raise are addressed, and I don’t care too much that you can buy extra parts to tailor it, I know that and it’s what we will do.
This tho, takes nothing away from the fact that this car is a massive let down, it’s exactly like building a “new” 1970 Porsche 911 (with all it’s obvious weaknesses and quirks) and put an electric power steering and take all the 911 feel out of it, what would be the point I ask you?
@@GabrielePiana I watched all the video. And I maintain. You bought a sports roadster that is cheap and comfortable enough do be daily driven for thousands and thousands of km of long trips. That alone speaks volumes about the quality of the car. You say it was built to mimic the NA, but doing what you did with an NA would have been a nightmare.
I respect your view that the car is soft, but I don't think it's boring to drive. It's low grip, very easy to make it slide, and it has a terrific 2nd and 3rd gear. I'd say there's nothing as much fun for less money, that is also able to be such a good, albeit small, daily driver.
For me the biggest problem of mine is that it is so pretty and looks quite more expensive than it is. And often people will look at it with envy. Actually one time I came back to the car after having dinner and there was a cigarrete butt and spit on the soft top. It's terrible being afraid of letting the car stay outside unnatended. It's for me the worst thing about it, but that is not the car fault but people's. Really depends on the places you take the car to.
hp@@tiagoadcosta Hi Tiago! First of all thanks for watching it all and for taking the time to reply.
I believe that I am not able to make my message clear enough for some reason. The ND, as a vehicle, is amazing. Reliable, cheap, comfortable, all the good boring stuff it does just as well as any other modern car, pretty much. No arguing on the engineering side of things.
Also, I might add, I'm much rather have this than the opposite, an interesting car that is undrivable regularly. This is why, as we say in the video, I picked this car over more extreme options. This is also why I still have it after 3 years, since it is a good way to go from A to B.
Beside the above tho, I believe we will never agree.
1- I did drive 15.000km in a single year with the RingBanana. I absolutely LOVED IT! It had no radio, no carpets, hard suspension, semi-slick tires. But it was FUN, the car was a blast to drive fast, flat out everywhere, it felt alive. I did not feel it was such a big compromise, my concern was that a 30 years old car has higher chances to break down and with 90hp it was a bit on the limit on the highways. I just wanted THIS again, with Satnav and Radio. Mazda told me that was the ND. They were lying man, if you close your eyes and drive the ND you could be in a Twingo for all that matters and you would not notice the difference.
2- Kudos to you for being able to regularly slide it around, I feel it's impossible to do it safely or in a fun way. One wheel wheel-spin, so much body roll it is pretty much impossible to slide in corners unless clutch kicking the hell out of it (and even then...), completely unpredictable behaviour due to steering feel, lack of lsd and body roll. You say it's low grip, I think it has too much grip actually! Dry road and summer tires, you have to be a complete lunatic to be able to slide it properly.
3- changing gear is fun, is one of the best features, agreed on that.
4- nothing as much fun for less money? The car is approximately 32K (1.5) and for roughly the same money you get yourself a Hyundai i30N. I was one of the instructors at launch, drove it on the Nordschleife and on the road and the car was a total blast!
With regards to the looks, I agree on you that it looks more money than it is and I also agree that this is a problem rather than an advantage.
@@GabrielePiana Gabriele, thanks for replying. I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Comparing it with a regular run of the mill car makes no sense. The car feels much more alive than one of those. It's lower, and the sound is quite a bit more intense. Even with your eyes closed. But obviously if you open them it's very obvious the care that was put into it. The instrument panel for starters is really premium with its anti glare and general quality. You can really see even by the positioning of the gauges how it was thought to be put into a sports car. The gear shifting has been pretty much considered the best on the market everytime a new mx5 comes out. And you can't isolate that from the driving experience.
And yes the car actively tries to slide. Maybe even too much for most people. Again, I'm no race driver, far from it, maybe its the way he does provoke the sliding that feels wrong to you? I could see that being the case, as often the car surprises with a seemingly unnecessary loss of traction before cutting it with its electronics. Maybe that's way you say it was done to mimic the NA. But then you say yours grips too much. Also you say yours steering doesn't center itself. Maybe there's differences in our cars. I can understand the car is not as focused as a driving enthusiast would want. Even I feel it could do with a bit more noise and a bit more composed suspension but i say as it is, it is a really great stock car.
Shouldn't really compare with a hot hatch either. One of those would cost you much more money in maintenance I think. And it's a completely different deal. You gain usability sure with the added seats, but they are generally a bit harsh on the suspension. And you have no soft top.
See, most people considering a roadster don't really want a hot hatch anyways. Maybe that would have been the ultimate best car for your use, but I think it would be more expensive to live with.
As far as prices go, atleast here in Portugal starting prices for my model, the most basic, we're around 25k. But I don't think they had much stock of those as I never seen one as basic as mine. And I bought mine used. Would say realistically they sell for around 30k with a better trim level. Which yes puts it close into hot hatch territory. But then a hot hatch is not a sports roadster. Say what you will about the tuning of the car but put it into a workshop lift and observe the full aluminum suspension for instance. And the 50% weight distribution and the hoot it is to drive and see the elevated fenders at the sides of the hood. The mx5 arguagly feels and is more special, even if underperformed.
I atleast thing it is a very happy car to drive, and it is actually very nice to drive slowly too. Which is a good think when you want to just enjoy the wind, the sun, or the stars. Doing that is much better on the mx5. Driving fast will be faster on any hot batch surely.
You completely got the point. In Europe there is no sports car
This reminds me a lot of the old Show "Telemotor" where cars were tested by Paul Frere. It's nice to see a honest review about cars rather than the usual "Hype or Hate" on UA-cam to generate clicks.
Since you also have someone with a "Eunos Roadster" that gets modified, you could also compare the improvements between the original and the new car that wants to feel like it.
Well we already know how a NA feels, we actually had 7 or them at the same time few years ago and we still have 4!
wait what why does your ND does not return to the original middle point after steering thats kinda strange my ND returns automatically when i steer left or right it self centers itself
3 years and 130,000 miles on my ND Club. I will always have a Miata.
If I understood correctly, you have the basic model without limited slip diff, bilstein suspension and 17" wheels - am I correct? Did you have an opportunity to try better factory spec? I suspect that the body roll or steering feeling could be partly caused by those differences in different reviews
Hi there,
You are correct, this is the basic 1.5 model. We have done some modifications to it now, you can check the whole playlist on the channel.
ua-cam.com/video/-ICyUZmn1UA/v-deo.html
I am sorry to report that, while the roll was brought under control, no amount of work fixed the steering feel, so much so that we decided to sell the car.
Hi Gabriele, what are your thoughts on the new Nissan Z coming soon? Do you think this would be a much better alternative vs a new ND miata?
Hi there!
I have no opinion about it as I have not researched any info about the car! I was not even aware a new Z was on the way! I will have a look!
Best car review I have seen in ages!
We having the same reason to get a car.I am looking for this car lately.Do you drive this car in snow?And how?Can you share your experience?
Well, what an interesting video! I owned a new NB for 3 years then traded it for a new NC (foldy electric hardtop) in 2007 with Eibach springs because the 1st generation NCs looked like 4x4s in original form, a car I ran until last year, so 14 years! I loved it, but it was never a great 'looker' and its looks got worse with time. I could afford to replace it though it had never given any problems and was running just great.
What to buy? If it was to be reliable, cheap to buy and run, look good, and be a soft top there was only one car - the ND2. I test drove a couple at dealers and noted the poor feedback of the steering compared to the NC, but it was a marginal thing - no deal breaker, and due to the electric rack instead of the NC's hydraulic rack.
To me, the ND handles pretty much the same as the NC, steering feedback apart. Mine's a 2.0 'cause I'm lardy at my age. It still feels as light and responsive as the NC did, in fact even more so because of the extra power. I couldn't believe what you said about the steering not self-centering after a bend so I went out this morning to check on some twisty roads. No problem! As you wind-in the steering lock for the corner the steering wheel responds by getting harder to turn, and after the bend you can just let it run back through your fingers to self centre, which it does. Mine is the latest ND2 from May 2021 and a 2.0. maybe Mazda have improved the steering response since your early 1.5 ND as what you describe does NOT happen with my car.
I'm delighted with my ND. It's better than the previous MX5s in every way except SLIGHTLY less steering feedback from the electric rack. I think you should try a 2022 2.0 ND!
Interesting point about steering feel. Can't you adjust self centering and steering feel through caster?
This and the savagegeese review are the most thorough overviews of these cars on UA-cam. Nice hearing from someone who isn't emotionally invested. Still considering if an ND Club is right for me. What I REALLY want is for Japan to build an M235i/M240i.
370Z or 400Z would be the Japanese M240i, wouldn't it? :)
I have always considered a car a tool. Then i bought a 2021 Sould Red 2.0 Litre Manual Mazda MX5. I love it! i stopped riding my motorcycle. All of a sudden driving is interesting and fun. It's an amazing car. I dont agree with you on the noise or maybe its been sorted for 2021 but i have the soft top and can have the top down at 70mph and chat easily to someone. The sound comes out of the headrest and ive asked can people hear me ok and they often as not say perfectly.
Hi Jaggy!
Thanks for sharing your experience and I am very happy you have finally seen the light of what kind of emotions can a car give.
I believe that having always considered cars like tools you might have been driving “dishwashers” on wheels until your ND, hence of course the ND rightfully feels like a miracle!
While all this is good and awesome, if you have been bitten by the car driving bug I suggest to stick around because you might see some cars that REALLY are pure 100% driving focused on this channel and one day you might end up like us, buying 20 years old cars with no power steering and no ABS! 😂
I had blue ND for 2 years! Took it to valthoren & hinter tux in april & once to zermatt! It was great fun ski & me.
Much better seating for 170. Only needs thicker steering wheel
Hey there!
Im very happy you enjoyed your car and thanks for taking the time to comment under this video!
Very interesting review ! So at the end of the day, for the same amount of money what would you have chosen ?
Hi Ivan!
Well, difficult to answer quickly. Depending on your priorities, the answer could be very different. If I wanted a pure sportscar and I would not worry too much about warranty issues etc, I might look at an S2000, NA, NB, GT86/BRZ or even a Boxster/Cayman. Pure fun factor, Fiesta ST is also a strong option.
@@GabrielePiana thanks ! Sorry I just saw your answer !!! I was indeed considering an old boxer :)
@@tuccobuibui 986 S is a great option we think!
Your comments are spot on. But a complete transformation is very simple, addressing all the points raised beyond your expectations. At between 500-1000eu depending on your choices. Much cheaper than buying another car that will leave you "cold". I know as i have done it. If you are interested, I can tell you exactly how, provided you promise to do another video covering the changes and your personal opinion after driving it. This way others in the same "boat", which in fact are most experienced drivers/owners can benefit. Mazda has repeated similar solutions as in the NA and NB without considering today's reality and users.
Have you checked the alignment of your car? After I had done an alignment on my ND2 the steering feel improved vastly and also the self centering suddenly appeared :D
Hi Max!
We have recently aligned the car and well the car was not off at all. I'm happy that the alignment fixed it for you, for the moment we have not been so lucky.
@@GabrielePiana Could I ask what your caster is set to? To improve steering centering with these cars, you really need to max out the caster to something like 7 or 8 degrees. This should be achievable while retaining decently negative camber now that you're going to be riding on coilovers. It's also good to keep in mind that the dynamic camber curve is more extreme in the rear with NDs, so you'll actually want to run more negative camber in the front than in the rear, which obviously goes against common MX-5 convention.
@@GabrielePiana Hey Gabriele, you may consider yourself lucky to have grabbed the single existing ND which isn't completely crooked :D
I've seen your most recent video: I guess with the new coil overs your handling will improve massively. Also, consider different to OEM alignment specs. I personally can recommend SPS Motorsports' set up.
@UCw9XVkuTyZ3mcaz17ieLuag Tires also make a huge difference! On my ND2, the self centering is great and strong on my summer tires, but nonexistent on my winter tires.
Thank you for translating it to miles, gallons etc :)
The whole point is that it drives like you are going much faster than you are. The ideal thing if you live in a world where speed cameras are out to milk you for every cent.
Completely agree on the steering. I thought it was just me needing to get used to it... ...well, I still need to ,anyway! It IS difficult to go in a straight line, you do need to adjust tiny bits, all the time. Also agree on the roof though - haven't tried it on the move yet, but as you demonstrate, it can be done both ways at fairly decent speed. Superb!
The early NDs blew the roof liner clips around the rear window if you opened or closed the roof @ too high a speed. Those clips were later redesigned.
I've opened and closed the roof up to 50 kph.
Bought one last year. Really lovr my ND. But what i also like is the honest review. You really go against the typical over enthusiastic youtube ND reviews. I also like to know if you got any tips on good alternatives.
ND2 Sport (sway bar + Bilsteins + LSD) owner here and I just can't agree with some of your points: the steering wheels self-centers just fine, phone conversations are no problem at 90 km/h and phone charging is not an issue. Yes, MX-5 does roll and definitely is not a motorway cruiser. But the only thing that bothers after 1 year of ownership is my left feet sometimes touching ceiling of the footwell when I move it from the foot rest to the clutch pedal and back but I am 186 cm tall and have size 46 (US 13) feet.
Disclaimer1: I am not a race driver
Disclaimer2: my age is probably closer to your father's than yours :)
Hi Juri!
Thanks for taking the time to comment and watch the video!
Seems like some owners have no complaints and some other have just the same issues I am having as far as the steering, don’t know if it’s about perception or else.
As with phone calls, yeah fair enough, at 90 is probably acceptable if you crank the volume all the way up, but at European highway speeds (120-150kph) is not so easy 😅
I have a 2021 RF it’s a great car and will be a classic
yeah ! honesty on this car about the noise, this is rare. Didn't bought it as a daily because of this, wish it was less noisy and better steering feeling, would totally buy it
Here in the US my friend's 30AE version came with 200TW summer tires, didn't last long enough for Kostas to make and eat a meal. Want to see Kostas cook!
Your friend might want to turn the aggressiveness settings down a notch then :D :D
Is that a soft top? because calls in the RF ND's is superb..
excuse me would Bilstein chock help and the 2022 kinematic posture contril???
Should a got a 2 litre 30th edition matie ?
Fun rant at 19:25 ! I appreciate where Gabe is coming from. Sounds like Gabe wanted a Honda S2000 that happens to do 6.5L/100km, but ended up with the ND MX5 which didn't hit the mark.
Hi Lorenzo!
Probably you are summing it up really well with wanting an S2000 :D
This is a harsh review from someone who has a specific need from a car. As an owner of the RF version myself, not a race driver, but someone who likes to have a bit of fun now and again, this car is perfect. It regularly gets complimented, and the community surrounding it is second to none. I understand the criticisms stated here, but for the vast majority of people who will buy this, none will be bothered or even be aware of them. It's a fun to drive, well manufactured, beautifully looking, feel good car, and 99% of it's target audience will appreciate this. If you want a race car, go and buy something hot and Italian, but make sure you have deep pockets, you'll need 'em!
Hi Chris!
I appreciate your comment and as I say in the video, this car is just not for me! I recognize there is a customer base that will enjoy it for what it is.
To me, the car is impossible to justify in my head. I have no interest in how the car is perceived or complimented from outside, nor I have any interest in the community.
I might agree that a certain percentage of owners might care of the above for their buying decision but for me those are irrelevant metrics.
It seems some commenters are getting hung up on the fact that I am a race driver and wanted a race car but in reality this is far from true. I deliberately bought an ND because I wanted a slow fun car for the road. To you, the ND is that but to me it’s just not.
It’s not a matter of the car being soft, it’s ok! I expected as much.
The issue is it being INSANELY wobbly and paired with a dead steering system that does not communicate anything to the driver. This combination of aspects completely spoils the fun, especially at low speeds on the road.
Begs the question wether or not it makes sense to have a compromised 2 seater car that also has the same steering feel as a Van.
The frustrating part is that it could have been so easy to just keep the steering feel of an NA in a modern package but instead they just ruined it completely.
Regardless of all the above, I am genuinely happy you are enjoying your RF! It is a cool looking car and does a lot right for the right customer and I wish you a lot of happy fun miles with it!
@@GabrielePiana Hi, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect yours, but anyone who is seriously considering this car should probably watch the Savagegeese or Exhaust Sports Auto reviews. As an owner, I would say their take on the ND is mutch closer to the actual owner experience than this review. All the best.
@@chrislox1 I agree with you 100%. I drive an RF G132 (MY 2019) and use it as a daily. In everday traffic, when doing a trip on the German Autobahn or occasional trips to the countryside, this visually stunning, affordable litte convertible/targa serves all my needs. ;)
Very good accessment of who should buy ,I find my nd not as thrilling as a mfg I owned in the past .driving position hard to get right ! I agree .However at retirement age as you say is pleasurable .Younger drivers need a Hyundai n series with the nd look.Thank goodness you didn’t mention the cup holders or the glove box like everybody does ,your view was very truthful.Would not try to change my jb in any way ,but would like to drive a 2022 model for comparisons .thankyou and will follow .
For lack of steering feel you probably need to do a full wheel alignment. More caster angle will definitely improve return to center and make it stay in a straight line on highway (less frequent need of adjustment)
Car is now re-aligned and we cranked the max caster we could get. Still the steering is only marginally better.
Sounds like it is an issue with the EPS programming, which is not an easy fix, unfortunately!
Excellent review