Wriothesley's Biggest Problem: GREED (Genshin Impact)
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So... a lot of talks have been going on about Wriothesley's true potential and how crucial C1 Wriothesley is. Well, in this video I am going to deconstruct everything about this myth, so that you can actually find out if Wriothesley is worth pulling for and if Wriothesley C1 is worth it.
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Neuvillette as well he needs c1
Characters' c1 should be a small boost, not fixing-the-kit
It's way too packed of 10 different things as well. Other character's con do one thing at a time.
Characters' cons should only give them extra numbers not quality of life but how else would hoyo get another billion.
@@MT-uy6vw Idk raiden C2 seems to work extremely well. While I don't think Wrio C1 is getting that many to get tbf, they're just abusing the Wrio fans, who also want furina/future characters.
Nah it should be a big boost its a whole garunteed pity in there. If it's a small boost it ain't worth it. And you say it like c0 Wrio is not fine when he is, lol. I saw ppl solo with him in abyss at c0.
Exactly
Neuvillette's C1 is a perfect QoL example cause he's perfectly fine without it
Changing the passive so much on constelation should be a goddamn crime
well, all gachas are a fraud
@@princessochka3690 Calling it a fraud is silly, you know what you are getting into, the chances of pulling are widely known and you can play the game without pulling for characters.
Is it still scummy? absolutely. But a scam or fraud? not really.
Its not that crazy like some people make it seem to be especially when it's only for the Charger Attack anyway. 🤷🏻
It literally changes 1 thing, and that thing is: you'll be using charge attacks now
@@kiraflo98 Every gachas gameplay orbits around characters - there is literally no point to play gachas without pulling.
Moreover, vast majority of gacha players don't even realise they are being manipulated. They don't understand, that whole system is built based on social engineering, and is deliberatly balanced to make gacha currency deficit, mentally destabilize players, and make them pay.
Gachas never tell full truth in their rules. Genshin for example. Its written consolidated probability is NOWHERE close to 1.6% for the first 74 pull. They deliberatly hidden systems like "softpity", "1 weapon, 1 character within 30 pulls", "two 5* characters, one 5* weapon within 270 pulls", etc. These systems were unveiled by community by scratching surface of pull statistics.
Also, only people in pink glasses would believe that gachas aren't rigged. There are no laws to control/monitor them, noone ever saw their gacha mechanisms (which they can tweak whenever they like), and it is impossible to prove anything if they play smart. Fun fact. On Paimonmoe, when new banner gets released, 50/50 wins in most cases start below 50% on first few days, and grow above 50% afterwards (draining f2p currency is profitable i guess). You can check - every single banner in Genshin has above 50% wins on 50/50, which means they manipulate statistics to look good.
Biggest problem I have with his c1 isn't about power of true potential locked behind cons. I think the biggest problem is how packed the c1 is compared to other characters. Strength wise does not matter, as it very much varies between characters by a lot. But most character cons (good ones/qol) are mostly just doing 1 thing, no matter how big the impact is.
For example yelan or shenhe c1 : one extra charge on E. Ok cool! Changes one thing of their kit.
For him:
1. Your CA does twice the amount of damage.
2. Extends your E duration.
3. Let you free eCA after N5
4. Changes the eCA CD to 2.5
5. Makes you hp positive (also run healerless comps.)
That's a CRAZY amount of changes to his kit, that's for some other characters their entire 6 cons. Again, Im not discussing about the strength and raw power of this con. Like yea, raiden c2 is insanely good but it only changes one thing, and it doesn't even affect the way you play her.
I'm just saying how much hoyo is begging wrio fans to pull for c1 before Furina. As if they know people who are going for Furina/Nev will not get wrio anyway, so they abuse/bait wrio fans as much as they can.
But tbh, if he doesn’t have those changes he’s CA will be borderline mobile interface not playable.
And mihoyo certainly isn’t giving those feature in c0. Ahh, not sure what they are doing.
C1 should be c6 as much as it changes his damn kit !
@@user-ti7me6yv7w c1 should just increase his special CA damage and decrease its cooldown. Getting special CA after NA combos should just be his basic kit, and the healing from the special CA should just be his first ascension passive talent. A very simple fix tbh
It reminds me so much of the Cyno release. They even gave them both beetles for mats.
Yup! I'm sure it was miHoYo's intention all along xD
Hmmm. Broken hydro character and mid but really cool melee character. Yup it's 3.1 again. We even have Venti here again.
@@renno2679
You are mid.
@@chaosinfernoid9008 mid can also mean "average", by the way.
@@BulletSponge71436
They compared it to Venti so it's obviously offensive.
Wish we'd get more off field pyro characters. Imagine a pyro xinqiu / yelan. I'll use them both in a wriosthesley team and I'd probably doing melt reaction every time.
Thoma says hello
@@raptorking3678ICD says hai
Xiangli... ah whatever.
Amber for the win
@@raptorking3678 agreed
The burgeon variant with yaoyao instead of nahida is way more comfortable at C0
Been having a lot of fun with him at C0 though. I'll get his C1 on his rerun.
rerun? there wont be any rerun hes a standard character
Not sure 😂
@@gepe1232 i want whatever you're smoking
@@gepe1232where tf did it mention he would be a standard character?
@@gepe1232There is people that still think he is a standard character 😂😂😂
Wriothesly's C1:
-Reworks your A1, so now it triggers whenever you hit your N5 regardless of HP
-Reduces the CD of your A1
-Damage boosts your A1 damage
-Extends the duration of your E
It's crazy
I think a lot of guides has misconstrued his passive c0, you only need to go below 60% to gain his passive and even if you heal over 60% the effect isn't cleared. You just need to do another charged atk to activate it. Bennet's healing doesn't go over 70% so I have been able to proc his passive and he can heal up to 100%. Even if you're out of your skill you can still proc the passive and heal yourself and the charged atk wont consume stamina.
Yeah, that's actually something I've finally noticed finally today. Might make a video about this.
The problem is that my bennet heals 8 k a tick. Wriothesley isnt really getting under 60%
Wow, and you get what, 1 CA extra in your rotation?
That's nothing
@@imjustaguycalledsanobros on full hp build
yes from my own testing and experience, im at c0 wrio and i used nahida bennett and thoma, you only need to trigger it by reaching 60% at least once in 5s regardless of he regained hp from healers, and 1 tick of my bennette almsot fully heal him afterwards, but i can still use the charge attack bonus, it doesnt removed until you use the charge attack. How do i reached below 60% fast? because of burning status, since wrio is melee, the burning dmg dramatically drops your hp in % just being close to the burning aura
His C1 is problematic but overall he is an okay character, not OP but not weak
I wish Dehya was like this
Imagine if dehya was like this...
So true
fr bro
No, what would fix Dehya is if she was a 4*. If everybody had her at c6, the fact that she feels incomplete at c0 would be a non-issue
As someone who has played A LOT with C0 Hu Tao, I can tell you that it's not just a simple DPS increase. Because even with jump canceling, you will run out of stamina, so a shield is a must. But not only that, in consecutive rotations, your stamina won't always be recharged to full (for example if you have to catch up to another enemy) and then, you can't even do charged attacks at the end of Hu Tao's skill anymore, which alone is already a big DPS loss, but if you don't even notice it, you will even lose some normal attack damage in the time, because Hu Tao is then not doing anything if you try to charge attack. C0 works well against bosses that don't move much themselves (like the new mechanical one). There jump cancels are enough to get you through as long as you have a shield (so you don't need to dodge any attacks), but in a lot of other scenarios, it can become quite difficult.
I can actually attest to this big time, I had Hu Tao C0 from her first banner and only got C1 later in Inazuma, the difference is as you describe exactly. The way jump canceling works you basically have to stand still which felt pretty awful and in many cases necessitated a shield. I also noticed an increase in the amount of charged attacks I could do on average, and dash canceling became possible which felt so much better.
I still say her C1 isn't that big of a deal, but it definitely feels very different in practice, in a very good way. I still consider it much more optional than Wriothesley's C1 though.
Honestly from experience and constant 36 star in abyss its not that bad unless you want to min max(which is unecessary in genshin). The typical Shielder, Hu tao, XQ, Yelan comp doesnt suffer from this as much as yelan and XQ makes up for the down time in CA of Hu Tao. In most situation in abyss(the only place you need damage) either small enemies die fast to CA or a big hp enemies. So its not that big of a deal. Just pull for yelan if you're thinking of c1 Hu Tao the results in dps is the same.
@@tothetop3949
Again, it heavily depends on the enemy layout in my experience. A lot of small enemies in a small area (like the wolfs in chamber 1) are not that big of a deal, same with the mechanical boss (there she is so OP that it doesn't even take a minute to clear with jump canceling), but you start to suffer in chambers where around 3 medium strong enemies are present. Especially if these can hit you from a bit of distance so they don't group up like the wolfs. Of course you can still 36 star the abyss, but you need to be a bit more aware of your stamina in these instances.
Also to add, you need a dedicated shielder. I previously used Diona which was also built for her burst (since she had Noblesse) so her shield suffered a bit and if you don't dodge at all, this is noticeable. I have to say, since I got Zhongli, it became way easier to play. Though, I guess if I had built Diona purely on shield she might have been enough, but it was definitely a noticeable improvement.
Right now most of c0 Tao problems sefl fixing with ading Yelan at the party. So c1 not must have no more.
Yeah, dash canceling not only provides you with s to be even harder to hit, but it's also directional, you choose where to dash to reposition. Meanwhile, with jump canceling if you give it direction it takes longer to take action and you can be hit on the animation, this specially awful against bosses since you are just a static target jumping besides the boss. And it funny that the constellations increases 0% of Hutao's damage but is the change on her whole playstyle that makes it a damage increase.
5 stars character should be a complete character. I didn't feel that with wriothesley and feel that need for c1. won't be doing that if they ever release another character like this, that was just sad
Yea his kit / mechanic got separated into the constellation it sucks I thought Neuvelette was bad enough then (he still God tier) now wrio got this treatment 😢
And there's dehya.....oops
Just bc his c1 is op doesn't mean he sucks at c0 lol, he's at Ganyu level at c0 already.
@@towa7916 Ganyu is mid
His C1 isn't completely necessary. It's overlooked that his A1 causes a state that has a condition. Once the condition is met, that state can be used at any point. All you need to do is initially fall below 60%. Easy with Instructors Bennett or assisting the HP burn with burning itself. You wanna get too close to the Sun with the Icarus here that is a boxer, especially since you have a healer that heals you if below 70%. It's not mandatory to CA while NA buff is up. The A1 state can activate while Wriothesley's E is on a cooldown.
So Bennett with Instructors on burning team or Dehya on burning team with standard Bennett build will do. You take burning damage with Dehya without overkill, or you weaken Bennetts healing for more EM.
His C1 is definitely a substantial boost. And it does kinda suck that he was obviously designed as C1 default then got nerfed so they had a constellation to sell. I'm still enjoying him at C0 though. It's slightly irritating but it's not a deal breaker considering how fun it is to rocket punch things.
I get that he's not Neuvillette-level in terms of dps. But honestly, at this point, every character in the game will pale in comparison to Neuvillette since the hydro dragon is just a busted unit.
Just to note, even at C0, once you go below 60%, you still keep the buffed charged attack even if you get healed above it.
Also, not sure if these are intended, but in the overworld, he gets infinite charged attacks as long as you get the buff and don't attack any enemy. Very useful for mining ores. He also can attack interactable items such as torches and the mushrooms for jumping to heal and get energy for your burst. So those at least are some things unique to him
Having low standards in Genshin community is a big problem. And you kind of represent that low standard right now. Please stop.
the c1 is under 60% or do na5 not both. you dont need to be under 60% for his c1 to work.
I didn't know about attacking torches and mushrooms! Will definitely give it a try.
being placed as a DPS and right next to an Archon...somehow this feels familiar. like History just somehow repeats itself
Poor Yoimiya
Got two of him in 18 pulls ✌️
if it's not him then it will be a different char, so I don't think it matter much😅
not only an archon but in between an archon and a dragon… he never stood a chance
Poor yoimiya 😭
Honestly after Neuvillette everyone else is mid now. 😅
He's hydro sovereign, so hoyo wanted to be lore accurate. But Isn't it just refreshing and sparkling to see husbandos to have the next meta? We had enough with waifus and their slave dogs😵💫
True
Perfect little soy boy and trash players with no skill can use neuvillete and gigachads can use wriothesley
@@Sambrokeimagine thinking you're a gigachad when you're still using a 5 star unit to clear content that can be done with a full 4 star team.
Oh punching needs so much skill right 😂
My favourite one was reading Yae skill and seeing a 4th lvl of totems... only to find out that you need c2 to get that
C0 Yanfei enjoyers seeing the 4th charge attack multiplier locked at C6.
@@Radi340 4*s are irrelevant in this discussion. im f2p and have a c6 yanfei and many other c6 4*s. yet all c0 5*s. except some standard banners.
@@newp0rt absolutely L take, c6 four stars are just as hard to get as c2 5 stars. It isn't irrelevant, not everyone has played since day one or wished on every banner their desired 4 star was on.
Ah yes... The Fox's Mooncall Constellation.
omg what an intro, u got my attention, very nice and smart video, thnks, I hope to see more of these kind of videos on ur channel
Huge thanks for actually discussing this stuff on your channel and criticizing hoyoverse. I think many creators tend not to talk about this kind of stuff for whatever reason so I think its great you do. Informing people of the scummy behaviour of hoyoverse is the first step towards players (hopefully) demanding change on things like Dehya and lack of proper representation in their games. :)
I got lucky and got his c1 10 pulls after getting him and then after seeing these videos I’m convinced I’m blessed with this one.
I get the same thing for Lyney 😅
Same lmao
Stop it i wont even try. 😂
I got c2 neuvillette in 120 pulls i feel you
Lmao. was getting c6 dori but got c0 early and c1 wrio early. Still gonna bench him like my hutao, eula, and yoi
I am maining him rn. I waited for a bit before activating his C1. And it does change things up so much (in terms of survivability) I am now proudly, running around Teyvat with just him in my team (not the abyss, though, you’d need to c6 him or stg to do that lmao) but he’s also fine at C0, deals quite a nice amount of damage with only his self buff (both passives, marechaussee hunter, and cashflow), but his C1 makes him a different beast.
Also love this man so much, so I don’t mind spending all my pulls for him
Don´t care about the abyss that much anymore, been having lots of fun with Wrio and Heizhou kicking and punching everything around and trying to come up with a juggle combos 🙃
@@tartagliax804it was confirmed last year that's not happening
@@tartagliax804 I would love to have C1 built into him straight away, it would make him so much better and seeing how Neuvilette is, totally ok character.
But if its about the 36*? Well even if you can´t and leave the 12th floor altogether, you´re missing on 150 primos every abyss rotation, that is literally one wish to keep your sanity 😄
@@tartagliax804 That was not meant to degrade, but to show that having fun with thw character is more important than 36* abyss.
I am also F2P and running around looking for chests and all, but that's also part of the fun and why I want characters which will promote that.
But yes, I say that from the comfort of already having the staples like Nahida, Raiden, Kazuha, Zhongli, Ganyu, HuTao, Yelan and Alhaitham, but that's what playing from 1.3 gets you as a F2P 🥲 Even with C3 Qiqi and other lucky pulls...
@@tartagliax804 i care about that abyss i need the 500 crystals 😭
If u dont care about the abyss, u shouldnt be here in the first place commenting on video about his combat mechanic. If u have fun with wrio and heizou then good for you and your 1% minority group of general player. 99% of us care about abyss or endgame content. Without it, no one even bother to log in/grind to build their dps/level/artifact/team comp.
It has happened to other characters in the past, but their greed is getting so much worse lately. Lately, every single 5* Fontaine character has had their quality of life and playability locked behind a C1. Not only that, it feels like the "problems" these characters have are on purpose, and the C1 is only there to 'fix' these problems.
and they are all main dps characters lmao god forbid we get a sub/support to fix geo or promote new playstyles
really? Neuvillete feels perfectly fine and is a monster at c0. I feel no pressure to get any cons for him at all he's so good.
Neuvillette is already op at C0. If he was, on top of that, absolutely perfect in every other way, he would quite literally become powercreep. Nah, characters need at least one downside. Plus, slap a shielder on his team and you’re fine.
Never even heard of anyone talk about Lyney’s C1. Actually, I’ve heard a lot of people talk about how surprisingly strong he is in general.
Lyney and nuevillete is okay with c0 tho? Did i miss the other 5* fountaine.
@@books2438Neuvillette already is kinda powercreep, but the last bits of power are behind his c1: ability to play double hydro for hydro resonance (and probably Furina buff) and having all 3 stacks on top of it, no need for shielder
Create a Problem then Sell a Solution 😎
Hoyo wants you to get c1 so you wont have primos for furina... Classic hoyo marketing strat. Wrioslthesley nc though
Would get his c1 on his rerun lol. I'm not in a hurry anyway
i don't think the c1 is necessary, sure it changes his playstyle but the dmg gain is pretty minimal which doesn't force you to pull it mandatorily
Might have actually been worth it if you do it with the otter dragon man, but sadly Cerberus boxer man seems less useful
yeah Neuvillette's c1 gives him flexibility to run him with second hydro (furina) while still getting ascension passive 35%dmg bonus
@@draculaismeno need . U can still play the standard team at c0 and obliterate anything
I think hoyo create a character in reverse. For example, when hoyoverse create wrio's kit, they use wrio c1 as the baseline, then at c0 hoyo locks his basic feature at the point where his kit still works with some restriction
To me the only greedy unit is shenhe. Her kit is a demo of c6. All other character constellations add to the kit in other ways. Which I’m okay with. As a free player I can stay less powerful. But every time I play shenhe and buff runs out after 5 hits, it’s really annoying knowing that this changes all the way at c6. It it didn’t then I’d be more okay with it. I regret pulling her so much.
Wrio is fine with C0, just use XQ and a healer and focus on his Normals. C1 just lets you build greedier teams with no healer.
I dont recommend using flowing purity with wrio c0 if you use bennett only as healer. Its bond if life effect is something not to underestimate ngl
As it stands currently, it is pretty scummy how essential C1 is for him in terms of his best Abyss comps being healerless (or Bennett as healer which conflicts with C0).
However, for those suffering at C0, Furina incoming next patch is a "solution", in that her teams heavily incentivizing a healer to maintain buff renders Rizz Lee C1 supremacy moot.
i.e. the minute 4.2 arrives, Rizz Lee's best teams will shift to be him + Furina + healer + flex, demoting his C1 benefits to merely QoL upgrade rather than meta upgrade.
Of course, "requiring" pulling for another 5 star for optimal performance doesn't feel that great either, but at least you get to enjoy two different units/kits, so there's that.
It's not essential at all???? I'm using him with Bennet all the time, and guess what? I just don't do a charge attack because it's not any different than using a normal attack
Bennett is great for him because you can dip below 70% a lot faster and then heal back up to 100% with his CA.
@@wriothesleyenjoyerthe CA is pretty important since it doesn't follow standard ICD which limits Wriothesley's melt count, while CA is no ICD.
I once posted on reddit about Raiden Shogun being so good at C2 and kinda meh at C0, mainly due to C2 ignoring DEF. After a while I went back to that post and saw comments saying that my post didn't age well. But to me, it did age well, cause the point for that post was to highlight how C2 is basically when her kit really shines and I argued should be at C0. Raiden Shogun's release was the point where I saw the greed of wanting people to get constellations for a character's kit to be great. Now look at almost every characters ever since then.
I got Hu Tao on her second rerun but i didn't get her C1 so i wanna get it on the next rerun, but after i played her for a long time, i found her gameplay at C0 is good enough that makes me don't want to pull her C1, I can full star the abyss just fine with C0, its similiar to Wriothesley i think. But it really is depends from player to player i guess.
People who cry about C1 hu Tao don't have zhongli nor do they have mechanical power to execute N1CJ which If done properly can dish out around 8 charged and it slaps. As a hu Tao main since he first banner, it became my habit to N1CJ unconsciously and Homa is a better investment for hu Tao and your account than C1
I've had hutao since her first banner and i still don't get the "hutao needs c1" meme. Serious case of skill issue. The only reason I'm considering getting her c1 on a good banner one day is because of how much people have memed that she needs it but to this day I'm still not feeling the need
fr.. i got her c0 and used her consistently for 8 months with absolutely no issues, only got her c1 recently bc i felt it was justified as i use her so much. obv it is a nice improvement but definitely not a 'required' con as some ppl make it out to be, probably wouldnt have got it if i didnt use her as much
@@toodled1340 even if I get her C1 in future I don't think I would loose the habit of N1CJ, and with dash cancelling too you need to N1CD - N1CD and N1CJ due to internal cooldown of dash. Also to position your camera so you don't dash away will break my wrist as an enemy who can be killed with 3-4 Charged attacks I do dash cancel cause I was trying to go for her C1 before I saw how broken the nuvelette was.
@@osoiii I said homa was better investment for your account than C1 hu Tao because Homa is a great weapon and can be used by other polearms and polearms are one of the best units in game currently. I'm a hutao stan but sometimes I have use some other characters for abyss if they are small and many cause hu Tao won't cut it even with C1. So I just think it's better to go homa than C1, though it's your account where you do what you wanna do and don't succumb to meta.
p.s for past year I have not built or used any dendro character cause I'm not a meta slave.
yep, his C1 is a hugeeeeee upgrade. But yes, in term of clearing (Abyss) time it's not that different, but it's clear that you don't have to worry that much about his survivability anymore.
After got his C1 I can finally do solo Abyss.
if only there's no rule where he lost his buff whenever his HP fall less than 50% at C0
Even C1 Neuvillette allows you to get maximum damage with only two reactions which enables you to play him more teams and with the hydro Archons coming soon may end up being a significant buff, and that's ignoring the interruption resistance
I have him at c0 and did floor 12 with him in a freeze comp without healer. My team was wrio xingqiu yelan shenhe. And yeah he can easily get wiped by enemy attacks simply because he regularly sits between 40-70% of his max hp. That being said freeze did help by delaying enemy attacks.
I really planned to get Wriothesley but with Furina in the next banner, I am really on the horizon on getting him at C1. Also the 4 star characters on the banner is just bad. :(
As someone with who managed to get the last two cons I needed for Thoma and who already had Chongyun c6 prior, I really don't want to pull on this banner more for c1. I have no use for Dori
It doesn’t matter if he gets interrupted during his N5 combo at C1 because he will still get his enhanced CA every 2.5 seconds if he’s below 60% too
From my experience wriothesly is more than fine c0 I more than understand the appeal for c1 but i personally was shocked how easy abyss was on c0. Hes definetly a character you have to play alot to understand how to use his rotations properly c0 for optimal dmg i personally welcome the difficulty c0 provides since its not ruining my personal enjoyment of the character.
best infomation
Really wanted his C1 as it literally helps a lot but the Fontaine girls are just around the corner so I'll just stick to C0 😓
You know, C1 Wriothesley "fixing the limitations" reminds me of C1 Neuvillette. It may not be as extreme in terms of damage, but C1 Neuvillette allows him to do double Hydro without losing part of his kit, which expands his team comps just like C1 Wriothesley using healers or not.
Neuvi C0 itself gives enough damage to not worry about double hydro comps - Anyone can easily 36 stars with Neuvi in their 2nd half team of spiral abyss .
So C1 is just an extra ease for it , but there is no need for it
The main advantage of C1 Neuvi is you get to run shieldless comps for him; However, Neuvi has one of the best synergy with Zhongli so you don't really need his C1 to get his best version as long as you has Zhongli; Zhong doesnt only give shield, but he also procs Neuvi's passive and shred enemies defense; If you dont have Zhong, then I guess C1 is worthed it
why you want to run shieldless comp? the crystallize reaction also counts for the stack which increases his charge dmg!@@andreasparasian7225
@@andreasparasian7225that may change since Furina is Neuv's best support, and Neuv wants a shielder but Furina wants a healer. What then? A shielder and healer occupying two slots? A Prototype Amber Tankfei?
You will also have to play extra cautious with Neuvillette during Furina's HP burning session since HP is more closely gonna stay around 50% HP, so Neuv has to be extra weary of any sneaky enemies or enemies that jump around to hit from behind.
@@flamezforthegamez1056 Baizhu.
Anniversary rewards should include a new consumable that unlocks a 5-star constellation on a character of our choosing. Maybe offer a 4-star variant from event rewards occasionally. With the amount of characters that will exist in the game in 2+ years time, I can't imagine they will be able to continue without somehow changing how unlocking cons/characters works.
Love to pull him but Furina is on the way and archon is always a must pull, may be next patch.
Well let's hope his reruns won't be along with an archon
I might have an unpopular opinion but I think putting his best constellation to C1 is not a greedy move at all, in fact, light spenders or f2p can get his C1 next time if they actually like him. Only 1 copy and he can deal better damage, better sustain ability, less stamina requirement, more on field time. It's like all upgrades from different cons are put into one. With melt team and his 4 star weapons being pretty good, he's already good at C0, but if you want to make him more comfy and stronk, just pull 1 more time, not really a big deal. Same thing about Hutao, Itto, etc.
"It's like all upgrades from different cons are put into one"
That's the point - why couldn't they just put all that into his passive?
Hutao is already complete at c0. her c1 just adds comfort/quality of life. Not literal damage boost.
Itto slaps at c0 and is already complete there.
Rizzly feels handicapped at c0. He can clear abyss and i dont really care about that, but playing him feels like there are glaring issues and the fact that 1 more copy makes him complete is just what the video is pointing out: scummy and greedy
@@gravelor78 naurrr I have Hutao C0 and I dropped her tbh, she's so hard to play, her auto aim sucks so bad so I ended up wasting even more stamina chasing after the enemies, her damage is good but her playstyle is just so..... I don't find this problem with C0 Wrio, his gameplay doesn't revolve around CA only like Hutao. And the whole thing about self healing, a dps is not supposed to heal themselves, Neuvilette is an exception because he already requires a shielder to keep his uptime.
Every constellation should include damage boost, that's the whole point of cons. If they can clear abyss well at C0, then it's definitely not a greed problem
@@chil800 his c1 literally changes his entire passive and gives him a massive difference in playstyle idk why yall are tolerating this.
Then again, I agree he can clear any content at c0, but the fact that his c1 gives this much controversy speaks volumes that maybe, jusstt maybe, this is not just a "skill issue that players have to just adjust his clunky c0", but rather "this is what rizzly's complete kit should've been but let's lock it at c1 - Hoyo"
And no, I disagree that cons should give damage boost - that's just half right. Maybe at higher cons then yeah sure, but Cons should generally just give a good quality of life, not entirely changing its kit.
@@gravelor78 so are you also gonna say Xiao's C6 or Childe C6, etc. should have been included in their passive because it changes their entire gameplay? Just because sth is "a massive change to their kit" doesn't mean it's supposed to be included in their passive. If you want to trigger his passive that much, just use him without a shielder and use Dehya for anti interruption, maybe that's their intention in the first place. The damage boost from it wouldn't make that much change anyway because of its 5 secs cd. The point of it at C0 is mostly emergency heal
I keep my opinions tho, damage boost should be included in every con, ppl pay real money for that shjt.
@@chil800 @chil800 what. Nah u lost me the moment you mentioned a character's c6 like bruh of course their entire kit's changed. The guy's fcking C6! Lmao! It's totally different from reworking 6 things of a character' core gameplay locked in a single 1st copy! Other character's cons give them increments of upgrades- 1 upgrade per con, not giving all of them right away in 1 single con. That is my point.
C1 Tartaglia was a huge quality of life improvement for me. That was the 1st C1 that I wanted and I lost the pity 3 times on reruns before I caved and played 2 pity on the last rerun. Becouse of that I haven't saved any primos for the fontaine chars 😢😢
I'm guessing it's a marketing strategy with Hoyo anticipating the low sales of a banner right before the new Archon is released. Players who REALLY want Wriothesley wouldn't want to stay on just C0 knowing that his C1 is a major upgrade for his entire kit. I honestly think some of his QOL upgrades should've been locked as an ascension passive instead of an early constellation.
And this is why I love this guy's videos. He just presents the information truthfully, and then gives you the pluses and minuses. It's an art form to present a scummy practice in a way that doesn't get you irate at the developers.
That said, I don't know how these players are even able to get c2s much less c3s or five stars because it just sounds like I absolutely crazy amount of money and playtime.
If that's the case then i'll gladly pull for his reruns. But, after that I want to mostly save for Nahida (bec I have two of her BiS weapon)
If I had Venti I might pull for Wrizzo. There’s also Furina upcoming so he isn’t really a priority for me right now.
The leaks saying he originally suppose to be standard character might be true.
In the end, they ultimately decide to make Wrio a limited and buffs his normal attack and skill multiplier, but leave his constellation without any change.
Like how Dehya need C2 to make her skill uptime more reasonable
That was never true. That was just speculation.
@@anyaaa2801 just because it's speculation doesn't mean it's not true. Fact is we just don't know. It may have been the case, it may not.
Dehya C2 does make it more reasonable, but it also gives the player with a clunky gameplay choice because it boosted the 2nd form of the skill (the relocate one). Now you're left with a choice to either use the skill, count in your head to 8 while hitting the target, then use the relocate in case the boss moved to maximize its potential, or use it twice immediately but lose the ability to relocate. In a boss like the whopperflower this is an easy choice, but for mobile bosses, not so much.
There's so much wrong with dehya kit I can't even imagine what sort of decision making is going at hoyo.
That's why writhosley asked neuvilette - what is your secret -( of healing)😆
Im gonna side with "C1 wrio on next rerun" team ❄
Cs we should remember that the next is Furina, means bad time to invest a lot on wrio
Be strong my fellow wrio friends!
THANK YOU for talking about this and not being a hoyo-shill this kind of system needs to stop. cons should be like a "bonus" not make a broken character and have cons to fix it!
Like Alhaitham, his C1 coming home was unexpected but a welcome surprise for me.
Greed is every single character in the game's problem I'd say
It’s a bit too much of an upgrade that it feels they intentionally downgraded his c0 self just to make his c1 that tantalizing. I got Neuvi at c1 bc I thought his c0 self was solid. I feel against getting Wrio c1 bc the trap is too obvious. I’ll wait for his rerun.
What I don’t get is that his C1 is his biggest damage boost but a couple of other characters have very “bait-y” C2s with arguably lackluster C1s. His C1 is good if you’re trying to maximize his passive charged attack such as in melt comps and you can get by without a healer in some comps but his skill just enhances his normal attacks which are still a significant portion of his damage.
I think a lot of people overvalue his passive’s charged attack and dismiss his NAs because they aren’t as big of numbers and I can’t help but think a lot of this might just be a case of “damage per screenshot” syndrome. Plus especially following up after Neuvillette who I’d argue is a just bit overtuned, being a good/decent dps apparently doesn’t cut it anymore.
Would love to get him, but just got C1 Neuvillette with his sig weapon and am saving for Furina as support. Wriothesley is hot for sure 🔥I don’t care if he is not the best. He looks good and fun to play…Hope to get him and maybe his C1 on rerun. Can give him Wanderer weapon, I don’t really use him anyway 😅
I personally pulled for him, just cause I like him.
But without Shenhe I mainly will just use him as a hyperbloom driver, where he performs pretty well so far.
Reason why I don't go for his C1 despite having 330 wishes left is cause I want not just Furina, but also Navia + another rumored Geo 5* afterwards.
I would rather have more characters and have fun with them than to worry about clearing 36* abyss with every character on every rotation.
cant believe this video got released 6 hours after i got his c1😩 wish i waited a bit but oh well.. too late now LOL
Waiting for the patch preview. If nothing interesting comes up I'll get him but he is just not necessary
this is so true on the fate points on nevus banner there was a glitch that didnt give me the weapon after i got it i contacted genshins support system and i am pretty sure it was a bot who replied since it made no since what it said they didnt even give me it witch is crazy since i spend money on the game shows how greedy they are i had farmed so much for it not sleeping til 3 am or 4
I'm thankful I personally don't have this problem because I got him and his C1 in 70 pulls. His weapon in 30, too, but I'm insanely lucky in this banner. I'm forever thankful.
Bennet - Noelle - Sayu has similar C1 which is make their healing become easier to manage
Because at C0, their healing has a limitation
For *4, I always classified them as 3 part
C0 = character that nerfed from limitation or some lock
C before 6 = character that complete for what role they intended to do
C6 = the character gain additional new role, or playstyle... Possibly to compete with *5
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For *5, I also classified with 3 parts
C0 = a complete character for what they intended to do
C before 6 = that role got buffed even further
C6 = just straight gameplay changing
If people can still clear the current and future abyss with their old teams IMO you don't need the obligation to get cons for the new characters. You just need to enjoy them and get their cons when you get the urge to burn some primos.
I think the point is C1 shouldn't be this drastic
That's a very good argument, sadly majority are gacha addicts and will pull anyone and compare them to the others and be disappointed
Yknow midley fan still coping because they lock his kit into c1 L
Under normal circumstances I would love Wriothesley, and was super excited for him because I love wolves, ice, and I'm a crayon eating Titan, so I love punching stuff, but his kit seems like such a hassle without that c1 (which should be part of his c0 imo), that just obliterated any desire of pulling for him.
Don't forget 1 extra point for hu Tao, her c1 makes she evade more, that means in frames, dashing be faster than jumping isn't the only good thing
I think the biggest issue is his C1 fixes some fundamental problems with his play pattern you cannot fix any other ways. Like with C1 on Neuvillette helps him not get interrupted while channeling but there are tons of ways to fix this problem without needing C1. I'm fine with constellations making improvements to damage (C2 Raiden, etc) that feel great but aren't mandatory to be useful. Just from playing him in the test run and seeing what C1 did made me know I wasn't going to pull for him (plus Furina & Navia coming up are probably way more important).
I kinda wnna skip both neuvillete and wriotheseley to prepare for furina, but I realized I dont have many dps and I love basic attack catalyst users like wanderer and yanfei, so I use my guarantee for wriotheseley. now I just hope I got enough primos for furina and win my 50/50, or gave me mona at least
I personally think he is perfectly servicable at c0 and think that while his c1 is one of the most powerful c1s in the game, c0 is perfectly fine and plenty powerful to cleae content.
I was hesitant on pulling bc of his C1 "fix" but I got lucky and got him twice in a ten pull. I gotta say I love his kit so far and its so satisfying punching mobs to death.
Nice video. Its too bad that some 5* featured units are 100% out of the box and some need c1,c2 or their signiture weapon to be 100% kit. Thanks for bringing that to the forefront.
Waiting for C1 on his rerun. Hoping for better 4 stars.
I never knew how lucky I was to get two wriothesley in one ten pull...automatic c1 without even trying . I am soo happyyy
yeah, I'll snatch his C1 on his rerun.. same with grabbing Wanderer lol
I feel like how he can be used with furina with how her ult works and use her skill as a heal.
I tried to get his c1 but got c4 qiqi. Will try on a rerun. But furina is guaranteed now.
i have him on c1, my king deserve it all
Ever since first Alhaitham banner (yeah it's been that long) I kinda stopped caring about Abyss and I've been pulling for characters out of fun (I pulled Dehya 100% knowing how bad her kit is lmaooo). Neuvilette is the first character I actually really wanted ever since (didn't even know he's gonna be that broken) and I pulled Wriothesley blindly, just because I really love his character (and he looks cool).
As you should! Play for fun, not for meta
Hutao is perfectly fine at c0
She's fine but gonna loose so much dps
Fine as Faruzan c0
On one hand i used my extra pulls to get neuvilete weapon so i don't have enough for c1 wrio but on the other hand now wrio has 300+ cdmg
I don’t have a cryo dps even tho I’ve been playing for ever now lol so I decided to go for it and get him lol
Yeah, agreed, his C1 should be his passive where he get that CA effect when he below 60% or when he land his hast NA, C1 can be just increase the CA dmg from 50% to 200% is enough tho, I mean really even many 5* constellation is just giving small increase
I got neuvillette and his weapon his very strong in c0 and i used him with lost prayer and wanderer troupe.
Now im using MH with sig but it had very little difference
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Ngl I’m scared for Clorinde. Because they have been hyping her to be the strongest fighter in Fontaine and because she’s electro.
Now the electro part is good AND bad. Good part: she will already have multiple strong dendro characters as her teammates especially Nahida unlike Cyno’s first release.
The bad part: they can gatekeep her full damage potential behind a weird niche reaction and stop her from being able to use dendro.
I would probably argue that Eula c2 allows her to ignore the restriction of her skill cooldown with her artifact set another quality of life
Hoping for early pity for his C1 if not I'll probably go for Furina
Lmao I already knew this when they released faruzan, they’re not even trying to hide it
I would have enough to try c1 b4 his banner ends but i lost the dm 50/50 to pyro lioness, don't hate her in terms of character but not her kit :(
the scary part that in the future new characters can only run but in c1 they can have their basic attack back lol.
He isn't bad at C0, I feel like C1 makes his signature weapon viable cause honest it kinda sucks imo, and changes his playstyle completely. C0 he's all NA with 1 CA every 5 secs, but with C1, he has to CA every time he finishes NA. I don't think it's about fixing his kit, but rather changing it completely. At C0 tho, I'm hitting 33k NA without his signature weapon or reactions, so I'm not mad. It's just very dumb that you need C1 to make his signture weapon viable, cause without it, it's kind of a waste of primos if you already have Wanderer's signature weapon
Imma c1 him on rerun
I’m C0 with a mediocre hunter set; I was hitting 12-77k with Bennett. Not too bad
You see, i had enough for furina and C1 wrio. when i wished for his C1, i got... C2... somehow
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i mean, mihoyoverse is a business first and foremost. And that the goal of a business is to earn profit. There are characters with potentials bound to be locked behind paywalls. Mihoyo already gave us neuvilette last patch if we need a strong character. There are also characters that doesnt need cons to work. Not every character needs that cuz at the end of the day mihoyo needs profit to run stuff and go on vacation in hawaii or smth like that.
me with c3 brice lee: interesting
He is more than fine at C0 to me. Better than Yoimiya and similar to C0 R0 Hu Tao. Difference is just that Cryo isn't nearly as good as Pyro. I feel like he's a top 10 carry at C0.
And I know a lot of people say he is bad because he is HP negative you just need a healer... but most comps need a healer anyway. Hu Tao is also HP negative and Xiao also needs a healer. So i don't really get it tbh.
aah, If money just would grow in trees. Maybe on his rerun if theres no interesting new characters coming. So long c0 will do totally fine :D
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