@@maureengibbons9472uh, no we don’t. Get your facts straight before making accusations. We HONOR Mary as the mother of God because she is the mother of Christ, who is fully God and fully man. I bet this is a bot tho, so whatever. If not, learn more about the Catholic faith if u want to attack it.
I personally think the end times obsession is unhealthy particularly the rapture. Growing up evangelical it seemed more important to "usher in the end times" rather than spread the news of the Kingdom.
When I was younger (middle school) I had such a deep fear of the end of the world! It was an anxiety I can’t describe. Any rainy day, any crazy thing that would happen on earth I thought for sure Jesus was coming that night and it was terrifying to me. So I echo your thought, the obsession can become unhealthy!
I think it's from the fact that evangelicals already believe that they are saved from Sola Fide so they are more concerned with the end of the world than the end of their own lives.
Dear Horn Trent I invite you to come on vacation in Croatia with your family. I’m parish priest in a parish on Adriatic sea with beautiful coast. I am very grateful for the gifts that the Lord has given you and that you share with us.
Up until recently I had the pessimistic view of eschatology (pre-millennial dispensationalism), if you couldn’t tell I’m Protestant. I realized that it’s really a stretch to make the pre-trib rapture fit and it requires a whole lot of eisegesis in order to see it in the Bible. I recently watched Dr. Scott Hahn’s testimony and the way he describes the book of Revelation from the view of the Catholic Church just deeply resonated with me, as did his talk on the Eucharist. I can’t say I will become Catholic, but for the first time I actually understand the RCC and how its doctrine is based on the Bible and not idolatry like so many claim and I will defend you guys as my brothers and sisters in Christ any day. Let’s have encouraging dialogue with each other, not putting either group down as though we are enemies, when the real enemy is alive today working through principalities, powers, the rules of darkness and spiritual hosts of wickedness (Ephesians 6). God bless you!
God bless you too! I just got confirmed myself, coming from Protestantism. I've been looking around for the "true Church" for a long time and found it in the Sacred Tradition of Catholicism. I realized that if the Eucharist is truly the body and blood of Our Lord, then we have nothing left to do but bow down and worship Him and to receive Him as He told us in John 6. Since then, I made sure I became Catholic the next Easter.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it. The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. ============================ "It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view." The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197. The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.
@@tony1685 In Galatians 4:24-31 Paul spoke about the "two covenants" and described the Sinai Covenant as the covenant of "bondage". Later in the passage Paul told the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage". We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant of Mount Zion in Hebrews 12:22-24. These passages provide a clear contrast between the two covenants. Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Growing up protestant I used to be terrified of the rapture. I remember how much relief I had in RCIA learning about it. My wife said she could literally see the worry melt off my shoulders.
if you believe in post-trib you should be more terrified. it will be a horrible final 3 1/2 years. be prepared to die for your faith and testimony of Jesus
@@lufhopespeacefully2037 I'm not sure what most of that sentence meant, but you're right, the word 'Trinity" is not found in the Bible. This, however, does not disprove the Trinity. The word Trinity is used to describe the nature of God's persons found within the Bible.
It looks like Protestant belief of rapture is kinda of delaying the second coming of Jesus and thereby giving the believers an easy go approach with millennium/tribulation. but it is not the case actually..that’s why Catholic Church opposed Protestant heresies strongly in medieval period.. it make sense..
I remember being an Evangelical and trying to use Sola Scriptura to try and figure this out. I bounced around all over the place until I settled on a Post-tribulation view. I thank God for the Catholic Church, which teaches me truth.
I personally think Mike Winger did it better than Trent. Mike have all the different ones, and said which he personally believed, but then reminded everyone that this is _not_ essential doctrine, and it is very dangerous to try to interpret the future. The Catholic Church doesn’t have a specific set stance on this for a reason. It’d just be unnecessary conflict. Trent’s belief that we are in the thousand years doesn’t make sense, IMO, even for Catholics (I’m a Protestant, but respect the Catholic Church and am not Sola Scriptura anymore). You guys have exorcists who have fought Satan. Obviously Satan isn’t chained. And look at the world around us. We are drifting from God like never before. We are not in the thousand years.
I’m Catholic and had many questions regarding this rapture so I looked into it and this is what I found. The word translated for “LEFT” in the Bible in Greek is "aphethēsetai" which means FORGIVEN. The left will be the FORGIVEN ones! The word translated as “TAKEN” in Greek is "paralēphthēsetai" with uses PARA- as a prefix which means against and in opposition, in this case, to forgiveness. Also in the apocrypha gospel of Thomas 61.1 is quite straight forward with this: Jesus said, “two will rest on a bed, the one will die, the other will live.” Sadly people who been conditioned to believe in the rapture mistakenly think is the other way around.
@@disguisedcentennial835 you respect their false gospel ?? Don’t do mortal sins , and don’t worry if you die with beniel sins well get you out by praying rosary to lady Carmel
What about the people say, 60 years ago who were preaching next year he is coming back. What about under Carter the false prediction, what about under Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Obama, now under Biden. The Rupture is far rights scare tactic, to keep pastors jobs, members, paying to keep fine churches, political power. If the rupture would happen, who would not be taken. Im sure in that case, hypocrites would be left behind. God knows each and every one whom is a sunday morning and night act. I do not attend church, but will stand beside any far right bible thumping, trumptard, racist, homophobe, closet case, forked tongue, adulterer, fornicator, liar, boastful, christian any anyday. would rather face God I am than proclaiming to be someone I'm not. More pastors will be held accountable for not preaching to their members.
Haha we could say he wore sandals and Trent will be like “Well, they’re there, but they’re not there.” And give the more accurate word for the shoes he wore or something
Sounds like the protestants with with Catholics. I have heard such whoppers as this: the trinity came from the Roman Church so it most not be real. The Jesuits invented dispensationalism so those evangelicals who believe it were hoodwinked. The Roman Church respects Mary. Hey the Muslims respect Mary. So that means the Roman Church invented Islam. And on and on.
The woman that ran the high school youth group at my parish made us watch this movie. Another example of the terrible catechesis people receive at most parishes
@@T_frog1 Charismatic Catholics have a false sense of security in their spiritual life. Some of them think that they have some special relationship with Jesus when they can't even avoid the same mortal sins for more than a year, which means they are residivist. They have turned the reality of the spiritual life on it's head, the first goal is to stop sinning entirely and learn about all of the virtues. The goal is not to learn about the false powers of the holy spirit which the Protestants preach about.
@@sterlingteall3462 "Two men went up into the temple to pray: the one a Pharisee standing, prayed thus with himself: O God, I give thee thanks that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, as also us this publican. I fast twice in a week: I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not so much as lift up his eyes towards heaven; but struck his breast, saying: O God, be merciful to me a sinner. I say to you, this man went down into his house justified rather than the other: because every one that exalteth himself, shall be humbled: and he that humbleth himself, shall be exalted." (St. Luke 18:10-14)
I converted to Catholicism a few years ago from Shia Islam and nondenominational Protestant Christianity and I am amazed at the beauty and truth of the only true church the Holy Roman Catholic Church
@@lufhopespeacefully2037 right here - Matthew 28:19 “therefore go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” Right there
Wow. I didn’t realize Catholics don’t believe in the rapture! This video helped to assuage some of my concerns about the rapture. I have been learning so much since delving into Roman Catholic beliefs.
I've met nuns who believe that God is a woman, priests who believe Jesus was an alien...the beliefs depend on the Catholic. Church doctrine depends on who is the current Pope. It's remarkably subjective considering it's the absolute unquestionable truth.
@@halcyonzenith4411 No, the Pope doesn't just decide dogma. The Church isn't the Pope, nor is the Pope the Church. The Church is not any human, humans just belong to it. What those nuns were saying is what we in the Catholic Church call heresy. It goes against Dogma, which is the portion that no Pope can ever change. Jesus was 100% Man and 100% God, consubstantial in essence. Kinda weird they said that, cause priests and nuns have to be taught Theology for years before being allowed to be ordained. They may get in trouble for that, as it goes against Nicaea. Anyway if you want what is the Church's *actual* stance on basic things, check out the Catechism.
Thank you for touching on this issue. I was raised Catholic, but left the church when I was confirmed. My best friend has helped me to see that I should come back to the faith and so I have. My mother now follows a rather famous pre-Tribulation pre-Millennial theologian who’s single focus seems to be the end of the world. I was speaking to my friend and she mentioned that this person’s teachings on that issue, were biblically incorrect. Seeing that she knows more than I, and myself being a curious sort, I asked her for more information and she sent me this link. It answered all my questions. God Bless -Saoirse, West Belfast, NI
As a memento of my evangelical days, I still have on my shelf a copy of Edgar Whisenant’s “88 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988” (Oct. 4, to be precise). He then released a sequel: “89 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1989”. After that he gave up.
Yes he believed in the rapture but he was contrary to scripture that says not to set a date because no Man knows the date or Hour. There are people who will confuse truth with error. That is why you must check the source. God Bless
Exactly how I would have ended the video. I was thinking it the entire time. To anyone obsessing over the end times, don't worry. Your time and mine will come at any time, and likely way sooner than the end of the world. The real apocalyptic question is not "when?", but "are you ready today?"
9:32 and 10:37 - Amillenialism 9:44 - Postmillennialism 10:10 - Premillennialism 11:14 - Augustine, amillenialism, and Satan being bound 12:53 - A bit of history surrounding postmillenialism, and how its popularity dwindled after World War 1, World War 2, and the Cold War 14:20 - Post-tribulational Premillennialism 15:06 and 15:53 - Pre-tribulational (dispensational) Premillennialism 16:35 - Does the Bible support a dispensational, pre-tribulation return of Jesus Christ? 16:46 - Does Acts 1:11 support a “secret, invisible return” of Jesus Christ? Will His return be visible? 17:27 - Does Matthew 16:27 show that Jesus will return, visibly? Does this passage show that the final judgment will take place as soon as Jesus returns? 18:08 - Does 1 Corinthians 15 talk about a pre-tribulation rapture? 19:05 - Is Luke 17:35-37 talking about a pre-tribulation rapture?
The current premillennial eschatology (rapture+tribulation+millennial reign) is a 19th Century American invention coming out of the early stages of Adventist/Jehovah's Witness tradition. C.I. Scofield learned about it and put it in his study bible, which is how it spread to the larger fundamentalist community and became part of standard evangelical protestant doctrine. It is the silliest part of 21st century Protestantism, especially how so much scripture is interpreted in an incredibly crazy way to make it work. David Currie's book "Rapture" is a great study on this craziness.
Luke 21:36 is a pretty good verse in favor of the pre tribute rapture. The 144 ,000 are raptured in the middle of the tribulation then the two wwitnesses are raptured after their ressurection so why is it crazy to believe the church is taken our before God's wrath?
@@klh768 The entirety of Luke 21 is referring to the destruction of the temple in AD 70, as is made clear in Lk 21:7. There is historical evidence of all of the events referred to in Luke 21 in the years leading up to the temple destruction. It is not referring to the end times. Luke's decision split Matthew 24 into 2 separate chapters (Lk 21 and Lk 18) clears up the confusion in the 2 part answer Jesus gives to a 2 part question in that Gospel that rapturists have used to support their theory.
“Therefore, when in the end when the church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, “there shall be tribulation as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies 5.29.1 Irenaeus lived from about 130-200, so no it’s not at all a new belief but a truly ancient one derived from the Bible.
@@klh768 can you imagine the apostles not getting laughed off the planet when they told their first century followers that they would be rescured before the persecution began? They would never have told them that. They told them to persevere even unto death.
I don’t know about any of this, the only thing I’m certain about… He shall come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom shall have no end.
Premillennialism Third on the list is premillennialism, currently the most popular among Fundamentalists and Evangelicals. Most of the books written about the End Times, such as Hal Lindsey’s Late Great Planet Earth, are written from a premillennial perspective. Like postmillennialists, premillennialists believe that the thousand years is an earthly golden age during which the world will be thoroughly Christianized. Unlike postmillennialists, they believe that it will occur after the Second Coming rather than before, so that Christ reigns physically on earth during the millennium. They believe that the Final Judgment will occur only after the millennium is over (which many interpret to be an exactly one-thousand-year period). But Scripture does not support the idea of a thousand year span between the Second Coming and the Final Judgment. Christ declares, “For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done” (Matt. 16:27), and “[w]hen the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. . . . And they [the goats] will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life” (Matt. 25:31-32, 46). The Rapture Premillennialists often give much attention to the doctrine of the “rapture.” According to this doctrine, when Christ returns, all of the elect who have died will be raised and transformed into a glorious state, along with the living elect, and then be caught up to be with Christ. The key text referring to the rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, which states, “For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.” Premillennialists hold, as do virtually all Christians (except certain postmillennialists), that the Second Coming will be preceded by a time of great trouble and persecution of God’s people (2 Thess. 2:1-4). This period is often called the tribulation. Until the nineteenth century, all Christians agreed that the rapture-though it was not called that at the time-would occur immediately before the Second Coming, at the close of the period of persecution. This position is today called the “post-tribulational” view because it says the rapture will come after the tribulation. But in the 1800s, some began to claim that the rapture would occur before the period of persecution. This position, now known as the “pre-tribulational” view, also was embraced by John Nelson Darby, an early leader of a Fundamentalist movement that became known as Dispensationalism. Darby’s pre-tribulational view of the rapture was then picked up by a man named C. I. Scofield, who taught the view in the footnotes of his Scofield Reference Bible. Many Protestants who read the Scofield Reference Bible uncritically adopted the pre-tribulational view, even though no Christian had heard of it in the previous 1800 years of Church history. Eventually, a third position developed, known as the “mid-tribulational” view, which claims that the rapture will occur during the middle of the tribulation. Finally, a fourth view developed that claims that there will not be a single rapture where all believers are gathered to Christ, but that there will be a series of mini-raptures that occur at different times with respect to the tribulation. The problem with all of the positions (except the historic, post-tribulational view) is that they split the Second Coming into different events. In the case of the pre-trib view, Christ is thought to have three comings-one when he was born in Bethlehem, one when he returns for the rapture at the tribulation’s beginning, and one at tribulation’s end, when he establishes the millennium. This three-comings view is foreign to Scripture. Problems with the pre-tribulational view are highlighted by Baptist (and premillennial) theologian Dale Moody, who wrote: “Belief in a pre-tribulational rapture . . . contradicts all three chapters in the New Testament that mention the tribulation and the rapture together (Mark 13:24-27; Matt. 24:26-31; 2 Thess. 2:1-12). . . . The theory is so biblically bankrupt that the usual defense is made using three passages that do not even mention a tribulation (John 14:3; 1 Thess. 4:17; 1 Cor. 15:52). These are important passages, but they have not had one word to say about a pre-tribulational rapture. . . . Pre-tribulationism is biblically bankrupt and does not know it” (The Word of Truth, 556-7). What’s the Catholic Position? As far as the millennium goes, we tend to agree with Augustine and, derivatively, with the amillennialists. The Catholic position has thus historically been “amillennial” (as has been the majority Christian position in general), though Catholics do not typically use this term. The Church has rejected the premillennial position, sometimes called “millenarianism” (see the Catechism of the Catholic Church 676). In the 1940s the Holy Office judged that premillennialism “cannot safely be taught,” though the Church has not dogmatically defined this issue. With respect to the rapture, Catholics certainly believe that the event of our gathering together to be with Christ will take place, though they do not generally use the word “rapture” to refer to this event (somewhat ironically, since the term “rapture” is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17-”we will be caught up,” [Latin: rapiemur]). Spinning Wheels? Many spend much time looking for signs in the heavens and in the headlines. This is especially true of premillennialists, who anxiously await the tribulation because it will inaugurate the rapture and millennium. A more balanced perspective is given by Peter, who writes, “But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. . . . But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace” (2 Pet. 3:8-14).
@@chandlercaulder3006 Doesnt matter if you believe it or not. There are a healthy number of born again folks who dont even know about it like me when i was first changed. You got suckered into a cult of personality that tells you there is no hope of anything and that if you follow all its rules and stuff your face with its god crackers and bow down befor all its pretty graven images that you will still wake up in the flames of some pergatory where you pay for your own sins because Jesus shed blood isnt enough. May i ask, how in the world did you decide on that pedophile holyman filled cult?
As God did not spare His own Son from the trial of the Passion, I do not understand why one would ever think God would spare us the trial. I certainly would never just assume that I will be spared serious trial.
God spared Noah and his family, and Lot from destruction of the world, and from destruction of Sodom. He saved the Israelites and Moses from the coming flood. Believer in Chirst are "in Christ" and Christ is "the Rock". When Moses needed water for the Israelites, God told Moses to strike the rock and water came out. When they needed water again, God told Moses to speak to the rock. Moses got mad and struck the rock, God punished him for this. Why? Because you don't strike the rock twice. Jesus is the Rock, we are in Him, and you don't strike the Rock twice. Regardless, we are brothers and sisters in Christ, and I cannot wait for our Blessed Hope to stand before you and I! God Bless you!
This is the absolute truth!!!! I was thinking that the Christian community (non catholics) was right and we were wrong! 😲. Unfortunately it turns out that I was wrong in believing this!!! Thank you for publishing this important info
Just so then people know, there is an incognito thought about the rapture: it's about being baptized by Christ in the Spirit. The main characters in Left Behind are people who haven't been visited by Jesus yet and are left to deal with the world. The film was most likely designed for a modern Christian audience in this way. There is no official "rapture" in terms of how it is defined in pop-culture. If people are not Christian or questioning the system at that time, there won't be any tribulation for them right before Jesus and the saints return.
I feel terrible for those who fall for a pre-tribulation rapture, will be such a sad awakening wjen 'shtf' and they're all still here. Many mystics talk about an era of peace after an illumination of conscience and major chastisements all before the final persecution and second coming/final judgment. Just stay close to Christ daily and don't worry about it too much. Worry offends trust in Divine Providemce.
I don't understand why Protestants get so wrapped up in eschatology. The end times will happen regardless of what you believe, I don't see how studying it prepares you for it, and odds are that you're going to die before the end times anyway. So why not focus instead on more relevant areas of theology?
As a Protestant myself, I totally agree. It's fun to think about but there's enough mystery about it that it's enough to know Jesus is coming back, all will be made right, and we'll be with God forever. Just focus on life now.
It has to do with the idea that if you warn people about the end, it may scare them into changing their lives. It does occasionally work, but many times does not
I am thorough enjoying Trent’s videos, he’s a great teacher. As a former Protestant, I felt pretty shame faced when I realized how silly the rapture is, this video will help me explain it to my Protestant friends
@@lois2997 That sounds a lot like the Jewish leaders told Christ when He spoke the truth to them. I guess that is a compliment, thank you and many blessings.
@@robertp881 Maybe you could help open their eyes and show them where priests can forgive sin and change the wafer into the body of Christ, or where Jesus and the apostles prayed to someone other than the Father, or where Mary was immaculate, remained a virgin, was assumed, and made a queen in heaven.
My Uncle who was Missionary Baptist Minister was the first to make me question the pre-tribulation teaching. I will never forget his words when we were watching the movie left behind on a family reunion trip. He just burst out of nowhere and said it’s not true, it won’t be like that. Don’t be fooled, as the Holy Spirit guides me I truly believe all will go through the tribulation period. I shake as I type this Lord please help me to be ready.
Premillennialism Third on the list is premillennialism, currently the most popular among Fundamentalists and Evangelicals. Most of the books written about the End Times, such as Hal Lindsey’s Late Great Planet Earth, are written from a premillennial perspective. Like postmillennialists, premillennialists believe that the thousand years is an earthly golden age during which the world will be thoroughly Christianized. Unlike postmillennialists, they believe that it will occur after the Second Coming rather than before, so that Christ reigns physically on earth during the millennium. They believe that the Final Judgment will occur only after the millennium is over (which many interpret to be an exactly one-thousand-year period). But Scripture does not support the idea of a thousand year span between the Second Coming and the Final Judgment. Christ declares, “For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done” (Matt. 16:27), and “[w]hen the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. . . . And they [the goats] will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life” (Matt. 25:31-32, 46). The Rapture Premillennialists often give much attention to the doctrine of the “rapture.” According to this doctrine, when Christ returns, all of the elect who have died will be raised and transformed into a glorious state, along with the living elect, and then be caught up to be with Christ. The key text referring to the rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, which states, “For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.” Premillennialists hold, as do virtually all Christians (except certain postmillennialists), that the Second Coming will be preceded by a time of great trouble and persecution of God’s people (2 Thess. 2:1-4). This period is often called the tribulation. Until the nineteenth century, all Christians agreed that the rapture-though it was not called that at the time-would occur immediately before the Second Coming, at the close of the period of persecution. This position is today called the “post-tribulational” view because it says the rapture will come after the tribulation. But in the 1800s, some began to claim that the rapture would occur before the period of persecution. This position, now known as the “pre-tribulational” view, also was embraced by John Nelson Darby, an early leader of a Fundamentalist movement that became known as Dispensationalism. Darby’s pre-tribulational view of the rapture was then picked up by a man named C. I. Scofield, who taught the view in the footnotes of his Scofield Reference Bible. Many Protestants who read the Scofield Reference Bible uncritically adopted the pre-tribulational view, even though no Christian had heard of it in the previous 1800 years of Church history. Eventually, a third position developed, known as the “mid-tribulational” view, which claims that the rapture will occur during the middle of the tribulation. Finally, a fourth view developed that claims that there will not be a single rapture where all believers are gathered to Christ, but that there will be a series of mini-raptures that occur at different times with respect to the tribulation. The problem with all of the positions (except the historic, post-tribulational view) is that they split the Second Coming into different events. In the case of the pre-trib view, Christ is thought to have three comings-one when he was born in Bethlehem, one when he returns for the rapture at the tribulation’s beginning, and one at tribulation’s end, when he establishes the millennium. This three-comings view is foreign to Scripture. Problems with the pre-tribulational view are highlighted by Baptist (and premillennial) theologian Dale Moody, who wrote: “Belief in a pre-tribulational rapture . . . contradicts all three chapters in the New Testament that mention the tribulation and the rapture together (Mark 13:24-27; Matt. 24:26-31; 2 Thess. 2:1-12). . . . The theory is so biblically bankrupt that the usual defense is made using three passages that do not even mention a tribulation (John 14:3; 1 Thess. 4:17; 1 Cor. 15:52). These are important passages, but they have not had one word to say about a pre-tribulational rapture. . . . Pre-tribulationism is biblically bankrupt and does not know it” (The Word of Truth, 556-7). What’s the Catholic Position? As far as the millennium goes, we tend to agree with Augustine and, derivatively, with the amillennialists. The Catholic position has thus historically been “amillennial” (as has been the majority Christian position in general), though Catholics do not typically use this term. The Church has rejected the premillennial position, sometimes called “millenarianism” (see the Catechism of the Catholic Church 676). In the 1940s the Holy Office judged that premillennialism “cannot safely be taught,” though the Church has not dogmatically defined this issue. With respect to the rapture, Catholics certainly believe that the event of our gathering together to be with Christ will take place, though they do not generally use the word “rapture” to refer to this event (somewhat ironically, since the term “rapture” is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17-”we will be caught up,” [Latin: rapiemur]). Spinning Wheels? Many spend much time looking for signs in the heavens and in the headlines. This is especially true of premillennialists, who anxiously await the tribulation because it will inaugurate the rapture and millennium. A more balanced perspective is given by Peter, who writes, “But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. . . . But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace” (2 Pet. 3:8-14).
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@@jazzpote4316 The Lutheran translation was awful and not at all the charity you're making it out to be. There's a reason these days not even Protestants use that one. It's awful, awful, awful.
@@jazzpote4316 Luther's translation was the 19th printed translation of the Bible into German, not counting quite a few medieval translations that never made their way to the printing press. Similar numbers can be seen in most other 15th and 16th century countries. This narrative that the Catholic Church was keeping the Bible in Latin for people to depend on them is absurd and mainly comes from the fact that the medieval period had no printing press (but tons of hand-copied translations into the vernacular). Thus, you are parroting Protestant propaganda.
Beautiful message and would appear to be the polar opposite of what I've been hearing in popular media. Although I must say, that for folks believing in the once saved always saved, that whole notion of being spared the tribulation would make sense to them. And it is certainly something they would want to believe. Thanks for the fantastic video!
People are so worried about the future when we can participate in eternity/ the kingdom of heaven through studying and participating in the Mass and bringing the Lord into the world through our lives right now!.. so much already in front of us.. Blessed be God forever!
@@thekingslady1 yes the eternal now is such a mind blowing concept/ experience.. the kiss where heaven meets earth as Scott Hahn so beautifully points out.. the Mass is where it's at!!
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it. The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. =================================== "It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view." The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197. The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.
I wish that I had better catechistism teachers in the early 80s. I left the church scared into other traditions. I'm glad that I came back. For me this is where I need to be...catholic!
Love it. The last 100 years have been tough for Catholics lots of confusion and poor leadership, the devil has been working hard trying to destroy our beautiful Church but the fires of hell will not prevail because of souls like you that are led so strongly by the Holy Spirit💪🕊
Sadly Protestantism distorts so many things in the Bible: the rapture with all its Protestant extras becomes synonymous with 1 Thessalonians 4:16. So if in some circles you don't believe the 'rapture' you don't believe the Bible.This and many other Protestant practices made me have a greater disconnect with the whole contrary Protestant system and thank God, I came into the True Church of Jesus Christ: Roman Catholic Church.
@@illuminatingone I like the term cradle Protestant; I heard it from you first. Although I must admit cradle Catholic sounds better. Anyway, I am so happy that you have shed so many old Protestant claims. I also hope and pray that you might go further and shed any loyalty to a particular denomination and enter the Catholic Church? May God guide you!
@@illuminatingone Hello, could you or @Bryon Lewis help me to understand the "old Protestant claims" that you have shed? I am not trying to be difficult but trying to learn. I just don't know what you are referencing is all. Thanks again.
@@christian11111 Things like: faith alone, Bible alone, statements like works have nothing to do with salvation, baptism has nothing to do with salvation; the pretense that all the Protestant denominations are one. Catholicism is not Christian.
@@byronlewis1330 hello, thanks for the reply and for the brief summary. I am a follower of Christ as well but I have not studied Catholicism in depth so I thought talking to folks who deem themselves converts might help explain the differences between Catholics and Protestants. I guess out of what you wrote the only two things I’d be interested in more elaboration is Catholics understanding of salvation. To simplify, my belief is that we are saved by believing, by faith, that Christ died on the cross for our sins by Gods grace. However Baptism and good works is a result of ones faith, it is an outward expression of our faith in God and Christ, ways that help to grow and show our faith. Not required to be saved but a natural result of ones salvation, an expectation as a result of ones faith. Thanks again for helping me understand your beliefs.
Great tribulation is coming. Rapture of the church, millions will vanish, Jesus took them to safety. Barack Obama antichrist, pope false prophet mayby, fake alien invasion with demonic creatures, realistic holograms in the sky, famine, earthquakes, ww3, mark of the beast, chip/marking on/in your body.. Jesus is the only way to The Father in Heaven. Repent and give Your life to Him. Folllw Him daily, worship, praise and read the bible everyday. ❤
I read "The Left Behind" series a long long time ago. Before I converted to the Catholic Faith. And allthough I'm far from a Theoligen by any stretch of the imagination it would be interesting to read again and pick out all the false Docterns.
Great video! I really appreciate the thorough breakdown of the misconceptions surrounding the Rapture. As a Catholic, I’ve always found it important to understand that the idea of a pre-tribulation Rapture isn't supported by Scripture or Church tradition. I love how you pointed out the Church’s teachings on the Second Coming and how we should focus on living out our faith rather than trying to predict specific events. Keep up the fantastic work of helping Catholics deepen their understanding of these crucial topics!
A lot of questions that were left unanswered by my Protestant pastor including communion and why we almost never had it and the secret rapture nonsense led me to the Catholic Church. I think the biggest lie to a question I had answered by the pastor regarding communion was why are we drinking Welch’s grape juice when the early church including Jesus drank wine? He said that they didn’t have real fermented wine like we have today. So at the wedding they got drunk on grape juice. Ridiculous
As a Catholic, raised by Protestants, I must say, I love Kirk Cameron! He’s Christian’s version on Michael J Fox. The Left Behind series are awesome! It hits the perfect middle ground between so bad it’s good and 90s Christian nostalgia
Yeah that’s kind of the problem… even though there’s an “infallible” magisterium with direct communication with God, they still haven’t defined what the right view is. They only take a stance when their authority is in question…
@@nickhanley5407 you got it a bit backwards and upside-down. Infallibility applies to doctrines only -- matters of faith and morals. I'm not sure what "direct connection to God" looks like in your imagination. To me it sounds like you believe the bishops are oracles. Catholics don't believe that (unless they're simply uninformed or lack intelligence). You've made a strawman character that's easily knocked down. In fact it's so easy to knock it down that I just helped you do it.
Great video (as always from Trent) with clear explanations of the different eschatological views. Even back when I was still evangelical(ish) Protestant, the idea of the rapture (a secret semi-coming before the actual second coming) never really made all that much sense to me, but I guess I just never questioned it very much. Thanks for this. Side note: It's funny how when you cite the verses from Luke 17, you have to clarify the meaning of the "two men in one bed" and the "two women grinding together" as if you anticipated the potential inappropriate jokes there...
I guess the bottom line is: the end times are when you breathe your last breath, whether naturally or during a catastrophic event...so be prepared and act as though today was your last day.
I’m Lutheran & I’ve always wondered about this bc my mom (who was raised Baptist) believes in it but I don’t remember ever reading about it in scripture or learning about it in the Lutheran school I attended. I had no idea that Thessalonians verse was the basis of the rapture people now think of from the movies. I never took it that way. The movie/book version seems a huge stretch imo
Hahaha....I was a part of the IFB Movement - online - as well😂 For a couple years. Omgosh.... OSAS, "hard/rip-face preaching", rabidly blind anti-Catholicism....wooo!! fun, fun fun!!!
Check out Pastor Sam Adams at Independence Baptist Church in Florida, and Pastor Matt Furse at Mountain View Baptist Church in South Dakota. These guys and a few others now in the IFB movement have completely rejected Scofield's doctrine.
There can be no salvation without the Catholic Church. So if the Church is raptured BEFORE the tribulation, then how could anybody be saved? There would be no Priests, no Altars, no Sacraments, no Grace, no Mass, no Marriage Supper of the Lamb. "“Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world. Blessed are those called to the Supper of the Lamb.”
Those are my thoughts. It doesn’t make sense to take the church with him then leave everyone to f around for a few years and then they’re damned anyways. Not really coherent
I remeber listening to a protestant teaching that talked about the millenium and finding the idea actually plausible. The guy even said catholics were amillenialist, though for whatever reason, I didn't remeber this by the time I listened to the podcast a second time and was shocked to hear it. So I actually did a bunch of research on the topic and developed a complicated theory in order to fit in the seemingly very literal millenium in Sacred Scripture with Church teaching, but this always seemed a bit strange to me. In the end though I've learned to have my position on any question be: "I find X plausible. But if the Church teaches Y unbeknownst to me, I'm with Y." This is really helpful with something like that where I'm a bit overconfused. (Wow, if a protestant reads this, they will SO think I don't have a mind on my own or something.)
Yes you do have a mind. You start with the understanding that your church is capable of error and very well could be in error but the Bible is not. You don't need the Church to tell you what to believe. It is your Job to keep the Church Honest to the Word of God. If the Bible shows you your church is teaching wrong doctrine challenge them or go where the word is preached. God Bless
I have never cared about any of this. It doesn’t change how I will live - trying my best to daily align my will with God’s through Jesus and His Church.
Good one SR. TRENT.. WEATHER ITS THE END OF THE WORLD OR YOUR WORLD. STAY IN GRACE WITH GOD. GOT to be in a real and true relationship with him daily. Hourly.. And every second. 👍🏻🙏🏻
Actually, I have documented that Papius, Polycarp and other patristic fathers referred to the harpotzio - rapture of the church. The first church taught it. The fist church is the Ancient Antiochene Church where we were first called "Christians".
I think I got the right concept about what the rapture is all about. Jews were given the exact day and time for the destruction of the temple as foretold in the book of Daniel. They did not believe and were not ready. Christ is coming. BELIEVE AND BE READY. Thanks Trent. I'm following you all the way from Fiji. Please help,as I'm interested in your book you mentioned in one of your videos.
I came across a message board while searching for info on this "rapture" I'd heard about. I understood even less after reading the threads, because people were arguing over terms that I'd never heard of -- the terms described in this video. All I know is that Jesus didn't leave us orphaned and He's coming back.
Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, the life. No one comes to the father but through Me." Trust Christ no a manmade church doctrine, there will be a rapture.
Recently I have decided to approach pre and mid trib rapture believers in the following way: "If it's pre, mid or right before the end of the 7 years of tribulation, it will be as Jesus meant and it will be righteous and just. Praise and thanks and all glory be to God." So there is little to no discussion about man's interpretation of The Word, simply an acceptance of It. Plus it may help some who hear/read this to not become apostates when they realise that 1948 was well over 70 years ago and that they are still here! Stay safe, God bless.
Even when I was a protestant, which I was raised as, when the denomination I was in (non-denominational denomination of Calvary chapel) started teaching pre-tribulation rapture, as a teenager I knew that wasn’t jiving with what I read in the Bible. People are fooled who want to be fooled. Protestantism is salvation for lazy people. But unfortunately it’s false.
Catholics call any person/religion who is not a catholic a protestant and that's very ignorant. Non denominational churches like Calvary Chapel are not protestant. Catholics have hijacked the word protestant to mean "if you're not with us, you're against us"
@@ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски and that’s really the heart of the matter isn’t it? Some believe they have to work really hard to be loved by God, others realize he loves us apart from anything we do to deserve it.
As a history nerd, I read the Rapture idea started in the 1850s. No mention by the Early Church Fathers, St Ignatius of Antioch, or in the Didache, etc.
1830 by heretics like John Darby. I am glad I was officially baptized as a Catholic in 1988 after going to Mass for a year without any knowledge whatsoever about ever being baptized. I was baptized the night before Easter Sunday in April 1988 and have never looked back. I see the Evangelists and I don’t take them seriously as they are ripe for lampooning. I believe in the Resurrection of the Dead and then Christ coming back in human form and meeting with him on Earth (the clouds was a tall tale to scare people). I am sticking with the fact that the Rapture is a False Teaching. I believe he will be back and we will see him in person. The Left Behind books and movies are Hollywood like propaganda productions.
I'm a retired Free Methodist pastor who is teaching a class on the end times - and once again I have found that while most evangelical lay people hold to a pre-tribulation rapture, most evangelical clergy do not. Last week, I literally covered the same 4 views Trent presented in the video. I also used the same charts! This week I will likely upset some by presenting both sides of the rapture question.... BTW, as Wesleyans, we do see great value in the church fathers, many of whom held the pre-millennial view, before 300 A.D. That said NONE held the pre-tribulation view. That leaves the other three views, all of which have been held by theologically solid folks over the centuries. I also agree with Trent's interpretation of the two "proof texts" so often used to "prove" the rapture. The only way they "prove" the pre-tribulation rapture is if one brings the doctrine to the passages, and then reads it into the text (eisegesis). This is the exact opposite way anyone (Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant or evangelical) should approach Scripture. We should seek to understand the meaning of the text, to draw it out (exegesis).
I'm a Protestant. The Rapture has to be the worst reason to convert from Catholicism to Protestantism. As I explore reasons for different beliefs I've been taught growing up, the Rapture/Pre-Trib narrative is probably the absolute worst held dogma in my sect. Not to say there aren't problems with Catholicism, and bad dogmatic beliefs there, but this one definitely goes to the Prots.
The black sheep is definitely the Pre-Trib rapture. I'm not Catholic so I'd be intrigued if you posted the Catholic escatological view. Thanks for the video!
Absolutely true and Dallas himself is a self admitted evangelical…however, Jonathan Roumie who plays Jesus is a devout Catholic and I would assume that he is making that known on set, so hopefully Dallas is learning something. On a very interesting note, Dallas Jenkins has out a lot of emphasis on the Blessed Mother, and a lot more than a lot of Catholics do. Very interested to see where Mr. Jenkins ends up in his journey. A lot of potential for conversion to Catholicism.
I did enjoy “The Chosen” and can’t wait for season 3. From what I’ve seen, the series is pretty neutral in terms of denominational theology. The fact there’s quite a few scenes of Jesus and his mother with Mary a big focus has me optimistic of Marian respect.
@@lyndavonkanel8603 I especially loved the Wedding at Cana (is that considered a spoiler? 😅) episode with them showing how close Jesus and Mary are, essentially humanizing the mother and son relationship. I smiled so wide as he lifted her up and swung her around in his arms, both laughing at seeing each other again. 🥰 Even if it doesn’t get to the actual Marian dogmas, I think it’s a great display having Jesus treat his mom so respectfully and openly. It may help others realize Mary will always lead to Jesus and that Jesus and the other disciples honored/loved her as well.
What we sometimes forget is that it is all in God’s time and not human time. We sometimes look at prophecy and Biblical events with regards to the 24hr day time.
My view on when Christ returns/end ironically is that it doesn’t matter because that only deals with earth and likely not with yourself. The truth is if we are to live for eternity we are going to see Christ any moment by that logic and if we are to see Christ at any moment instead of guessing when that will be we should instead prepare ourselves for him instead of worrying when we will see him because that is guaranteed.
Standard Protestantism = easy cake Christianity where nothing is expected of them. Including any issues, problems, bad days, failure, sickness, trials, financial issues, penance, or anything else. So why would they think they would face the great tribulation. Lol. I can’t believe they actually believe that faulty mentality. Gotta love those bumper stickers too: “In case of rapture this vehicle will be unmanned. “. 🤦♂️ 🙄 So I guess there will be thousands of train wrecks, car accidents, plane crashes and traffic jams and other mess everywhere all at once some day. 😆
My fear is for the pre-Trib Evangelicals. What will happen once they find themselves in the midst of the Tribulation and their rapture did not happen? Will they toss away their Bibles and become the persecutors?
Premillennialism Third on the list is premillennialism, currently the most popular among Fundamentalists and Evangelicals. Most of the books written about the End Times, such as Hal Lindsey’s Late Great Planet Earth, are written from a premillennial perspective. Like postmillennialists, premillennialists believe that the thousand years is an earthly golden age during which the world will be thoroughly Christianized. Unlike postmillennialists, they believe that it will occur after the Second Coming rather than before, so that Christ reigns physically on earth during the millennium. They believe that the Final Judgment will occur only after the millennium is over (which many interpret to be an exactly one-thousand-year period). But Scripture does not support the idea of a thousand year span between the Second Coming and the Final Judgment. Christ declares, “For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done” (Matt. 16:27), and “[w]hen the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. . . . And they [the goats] will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life” (Matt. 25:31-32, 46). The Rapture Premillennialists often give much attention to the doctrine of the “rapture.” According to this doctrine, when Christ returns, all of the elect who have died will be raised and transformed into a glorious state, along with the living elect, and then be caught up to be with Christ. The key text referring to the rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, which states, “For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.” Premillennialists hold, as do virtually all Christians (except certain postmillennialists), that the Second Coming will be preceded by a time of great trouble and persecution of God’s people (2 Thess. 2:1-4). This period is often called the tribulation. Until the nineteenth century, all Christians agreed that the rapture-though it was not called that at the time-would occur immediately before the Second Coming, at the close of the period of persecution. This position is today called the “post-tribulational” view because it says the rapture will come after the tribulation. But in the 1800s, some began to claim that the rapture would occur before the period of persecution. This position, now known as the “pre-tribulational” view, also was embraced by John Nelson Darby, an early leader of a Fundamentalist movement that became known as Dispensationalism. Darby’s pre-tribulational view of the rapture was then picked up by a man named C. I. Scofield, who taught the view in the footnotes of his Scofield Reference Bible. Many Protestants who read the Scofield Reference Bible uncritically adopted the pre-tribulational view, even though no Christian had heard of it in the previous 1800 years of Church history. Eventually, a third position developed, known as the “mid-tribulational” view, which claims that the rapture will occur during the middle of the tribulation. Finally, a fourth view developed that claims that there will not be a single rapture where all believers are gathered to Christ, but that there will be a series of mini-raptures that occur at different times with respect to the tribulation. The problem with all of the positions (except the historic, post-tribulational view) is that they split the Second Coming into different events. In the case of the pre-trib view, Christ is thought to have three comings-one when he was born in Bethlehem, one when he returns for the rapture at the tribulation’s beginning, and one at tribulation’s end, when he establishes the millennium. This three-comings view is foreign to Scripture. Problems with the pre-tribulational view are highlighted by Baptist (and premillennial) theologian Dale Moody, who wrote: “Belief in a pre-tribulational rapture . . . contradicts all three chapters in the New Testament that mention the tribulation and the rapture together (Mark 13:24-27; Matt. 24:26-31; 2 Thess. 2:1-12). . . . The theory is so biblically bankrupt that the usual defense is made using three passages that do not even mention a tribulation (John 14:3; 1 Thess. 4:17; 1 Cor. 15:52). These are important passages, but they have not had one word to say about a pre-tribulational rapture. . . . Pre-tribulationism is biblically bankrupt and does not know it” (The Word of Truth, 556-7). What’s the Catholic Position? As far as the millennium goes, we tend to agree with Augustine and, derivatively, with the amillennialists. The Catholic position has thus historically been “amillennial” (as has been the majority Christian position in general), though Catholics do not typically use this term. The Church has rejected the premillennial position, sometimes called “millenarianism” (see the Catechism of the Catholic Church 676). In the 1940s the Holy Office judged that premillennialism “cannot safely be taught,” though the Church has not dogmatically defined this issue. With respect to the rapture, Catholics certainly believe that the event of our gathering together to be with Christ will take place, though they do not generally use the word “rapture” to refer to this event (somewhat ironically, since the term “rapture” is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17-”we will be caught up,” [Latin: rapiemur]). Spinning Wheels? Many spend much time looking for signs in the heavens and in the headlines. This is especially true of premillennialists, who anxiously await the tribulation because it will inaugurate the rapture and millennium. A more balanced perspective is given by Peter, who writes, “But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. . . . But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace” (2 Pet. 3:8-14).
I’m converting from baptist to Catholic and your Channel has been a huge help, thanks brotha man❤️
Not trying to hinder your conversion or anything, but Pastor Charles Stanley was a great man! He helped me though some very dark times.
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Be sure, catholics worship Mary, Jesus is the only one worthy of worship, find a another Bible believing church
@@maureengibbons9472 Define ''worship''
@@maureengibbons9472uh, no we don’t. Get your facts straight before making accusations. We HONOR Mary as the mother of God because she is the mother of Christ, who is fully God and fully man. I bet this is a bot tho, so whatever. If not, learn more about the Catholic faith if u want to attack it.
I personally think the end times obsession is unhealthy particularly the rapture. Growing up evangelical it seemed more important to "usher in the end times" rather than spread the news of the Kingdom.
Yes, it is unhealthy
I actually believe in the rapture, but I still agree with you on this point. It should never be our main thing. The Gospel should always be our focus.
When I was younger (middle school) I had such a deep fear of the end of the world! It was an anxiety I can’t describe. Any rainy day, any crazy thing that would happen on earth I thought for sure Jesus was coming that night and it was terrifying to me. So I echo your thought, the obsession can become unhealthy!
I think it's from the fact that evangelicals already believe that they are saved from Sola Fide so they are more concerned with the end of the world than the end of their own lives.
Don’t forget tithing…
Dear Horn Trent I invite you to come on vacation in Croatia with your family. I’m parish priest in a parish on Adriatic sea with beautiful coast. I am very grateful for the gifts that the Lord has given you and that you share with us.
Up until recently I had the pessimistic view of eschatology (pre-millennial dispensationalism), if you couldn’t tell I’m Protestant. I realized that it’s really a stretch to make the pre-trib rapture fit and it requires a whole lot of eisegesis in order to see it in the Bible. I recently watched Dr. Scott Hahn’s testimony and the way he describes the book of Revelation from the view of the Catholic Church just deeply resonated with me, as did his talk on the Eucharist. I can’t say I will become Catholic, but for the first time I actually understand the RCC and how its doctrine is based on the Bible and not idolatry like so many claim and I will defend you guys as my brothers and sisters in Christ any day. Let’s have encouraging dialogue with each other, not putting either group down as though we are enemies, when the real enemy is alive today working through principalities, powers, the rules of darkness and spiritual hosts of wickedness (Ephesians 6). God bless you!
God bless you too! I just got confirmed myself, coming from Protestantism. I've been looking around for the "true Church" for a long time and found it in the Sacred Tradition of Catholicism. I realized that if the Eucharist is truly the body and blood of Our Lord, then we have nothing left to do but bow down and worship Him and to receive Him as He told us in John 6. Since then, I made sure I became Catholic the next Easter.
Amen! This is what God wants. He wants us to work with each other not fight each other. May God bless you! 🙏🏼🕊❤️
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
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"It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view."
The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.
The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.
@@tony1685 Based on Col. 2:16-17, Christ is our Sabbath rest.
@@tony1685 In Galatians 4:24-31 Paul spoke about the "two covenants" and described the Sinai Covenant as the covenant of "bondage". Later in the passage Paul told the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage".
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant of Mount Zion in Hebrews 12:22-24.
These passages provide a clear contrast between the two covenants.
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Growing up protestant I used to be terrified of the rapture. I remember how much relief I had in RCIA learning about it. My wife said she could literally see the worry melt off my shoulders.
Can I ask what helped you get over your fear? I’m in a position similar to your wife with a worried loved one.
if you believe in post-trib you should be more terrified. it will be a horrible final 3 1/2 years. be prepared to die for your faith and testimony of Jesus
,,jesus is the main central figure of bible,didn`t agree with me we have find a bible with his name,where does jesus talked about trinity.
@@lufhopespeacefully2037 I'm not sure what most of that sentence meant, but you're right, the word 'Trinity" is not found in the Bible. This, however, does not disprove the Trinity. The word Trinity is used to describe the nature of God's persons found within the Bible.
It looks like Protestant belief of rapture is kinda of delaying the second coming of Jesus and thereby giving the believers an easy go approach with millennium/tribulation. but it is not the case actually..that’s why Catholic Church opposed Protestant heresies strongly in medieval period.. it make sense..
I remember being an Evangelical and trying to use Sola Scriptura to try and figure this out. I bounced around all over the place until I settled on a Post-tribulation view. I thank God for the Catholic Church, which teaches me truth.
I personally think Mike Winger did it better than Trent. Mike have all the different ones, and said which he personally believed, but then reminded everyone that this is _not_ essential doctrine, and it is very dangerous to try to interpret the future.
The Catholic Church doesn’t have a specific set stance on this for a reason. It’d just be unnecessary conflict.
Trent’s belief that we are in the thousand years doesn’t make sense, IMO, even for Catholics (I’m a Protestant, but respect the Catholic Church and am not Sola Scriptura anymore). You guys have exorcists who have fought Satan. Obviously Satan isn’t chained. And look at the world around us. We are drifting from God like never before. We are not in the thousand years.
I’m Catholic and had many questions regarding this rapture so I looked into it and this is what I found.
The word translated for “LEFT” in the Bible in Greek is "aphethēsetai" which means FORGIVEN. The left will be the FORGIVEN ones! The word translated as “TAKEN” in Greek is "paralēphthēsetai" with uses PARA- as a prefix which means against and in opposition, in this case, to forgiveness. Also in the apocrypha gospel of Thomas 61.1 is quite straight forward with this: Jesus said, “two will rest on a bed, the one will die, the other will live.” Sadly people who been conditioned to believe in the rapture mistakenly think is the other way around.
@@Loveisabrilliantlight if you’re Catholic, why are you quoting from a Gnostic scripture? That’s heretical.
Truth ?? Haha paying mass to get you out of purgatory?? Or rosary to lady Carmel ??
@@disguisedcentennial835 you respect their false gospel ?? Don’t do mortal sins , and don’t worry if you die with beniel sins well get you out by praying rosary to lady Carmel
"Don't be left behind" *proceeds to explain the joke for the next 30 seconds*. Never change Trent 🙏🏻
one of the signs of being a good dad, explaining the joke
LOL
@@tony1685 Its true, catholics wont be raptured.
Rapture’s unbiblical!
The church of Christ is the ONLY biblical body!
What about the people say, 60 years ago who were preaching next year he is coming back. What about under Carter the false prediction, what about under Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Obama, now under Biden. The Rupture is far rights scare tactic, to keep pastors jobs, members, paying to keep fine churches, political power. If the rupture would happen, who would not be taken. Im sure in that case, hypocrites would be left behind. God knows each and every one whom is a sunday morning and night act. I do not attend church, but will stand beside any far right bible thumping, trumptard, racist, homophobe, closet case, forked tongue, adulterer, fornicator, liar, boastful, christian any anyday. would rather face God I am than proclaiming to be someone I'm not. More pastors will be held accountable for not preaching to their members.
Protestants, or any brand of anti-Catholic: literally any claim
Trent Horn: 🤔
Haha we could say he wore sandals and Trent will be like “Well, they’re there, but they’re not there.” And give the more accurate word for the shoes he wore or something
Sounds like the protestants with with Catholics. I have heard such whoppers as this: the trinity came from the Roman Church so it most not be real. The Jesuits invented dispensationalism so those evangelicals who believe it were hoodwinked. The Roman Church respects Mary. Hey the Muslims respect Mary. So that means the Roman Church invented Islam. And on and on.
We cant just label everyone as anti catholic just because they disagree. A disagreement does not equate to anti catholic,we gotta becareful there
@@jonathansoko1085 facts
I think thats why he said, protestants OR any brand of anti-Catholic. He is saying not all Protestants are anti-Catholic
The woman that ran the high school youth group at my parish made us watch this movie. Another example of the terrible catechesis people receive at most parishes
Was it a Catholic Charismatic parish?
@@T_frog1 It was just your typical American Latin Rite parish.
@@T_frog1 Charismatic Catholics have a false sense of security in their spiritual life. Some of them think that they have some special relationship with Jesus when they can't even avoid the same mortal sins for more than a year, which means they are residivist. They have turned the reality of the spiritual life on it's head, the first goal is to stop sinning entirely and learn about all of the virtues. The goal is not to learn about the false powers of the holy spirit which the Protestants preach about.
@@sterlingteall3462 "Two men went up into the temple to pray: the one a Pharisee standing, prayed thus with himself: O God, I give thee thanks that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, as also us this publican. I fast twice in a week: I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not so much as lift up his eyes towards heaven; but struck his breast, saying: O God, be merciful to me a sinner. I say to you, this man went down into his house justified rather than the other: because every one that exalteth himself, shall be humbled: and he that humbleth himself, shall be exalted." (St. Luke 18:10-14)
@@sterlingteall3462 "Now there are diversities of Grace's, but the same Spirit;......(read on St. Paul 12:4-14)
I started singing "Be Prepared" to myself a second before Trent did. I feel like I'm in the right place.
Hahaha I’ve always liked that song from the Lion King
An example of one body
I converted to Catholicism a few years ago from Shia Islam and nondenominational Protestant Christianity and I am amazed at the beauty and truth of the only true church the Holy Roman Catholic Church
Welcome! ❤
😊😊😊😊😊
Fun Fact Trent. The Jenkins who wrote Left Behind series is the dad of Dallas Jenkins, Creator, Writer, Director of The Chosen tv series.
,,jesus is the main central figure of bible,didn`t agree with me we have find a bible with his name,where does jesus talked about trinity.
,,jesus is the main central figure of bible,didn`t agree with me we have find a bible with his name,where does jesus talked about trinity.
@@lufhopespeacefully2037 bro what
@lufhopespeacefully2037 How much do you know about The Trinity?
@@lufhopespeacefully2037 right here - Matthew 28:19 “therefore go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” Right there
Wow. I didn’t realize Catholics don’t believe in the rapture! This video helped to assuage some of my concerns about the rapture. I have been learning so much since delving into Roman Catholic beliefs.
They do believe in a rapture, but it's when Christ comes back at his Second Coming (clue in the 2nd - and not 3rd coming!)
I believe in the rapture I am Catholic
I've met nuns who believe that God is a woman, priests who believe Jesus was an alien...the beliefs depend on the Catholic. Church doctrine depends on who is the current Pope. It's remarkably subjective considering it's the absolute unquestionable truth.
@@halcyonzenith4411 No, the Pope doesn't just decide dogma. The Church isn't the Pope, nor is the Pope the Church. The Church is not any human, humans just belong to it.
What those nuns were saying is what we in the Catholic Church call heresy. It goes against Dogma, which is the portion that no Pope can ever change. Jesus was 100% Man and 100% God, consubstantial in essence.
Kinda weird they said that, cause priests and nuns have to be taught Theology for years before being allowed to be ordained. They may get in trouble for that, as it goes against Nicaea.
Anyway if you want what is the Church's *actual* stance on basic things, check out the Catechism.
@@billydickens5815it is outside the nicene creed
Thank you for touching on this issue. I was raised Catholic, but left the church when I was confirmed. My best friend has helped me to see that I should come back to the faith and so I have. My mother now follows a rather famous pre-Tribulation pre-Millennial theologian who’s single focus seems to be the end of the world. I was speaking to my friend and she mentioned that this person’s teachings on that issue, were biblically incorrect. Seeing that she knows more than I, and myself being a curious sort, I asked her for more information and she sent me this link. It answered all my questions.
God Bless
-Saoirse, West Belfast, NI
Amen
Ain't no way you signed your youtube comment with a name and location lmao
As a memento of my evangelical days, I still have on my shelf a copy of Edgar Whisenant’s “88 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988” (Oct. 4, to be precise). He then released a sequel: “89 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1989”. After that he gave up.
If you were more informed in the bible, you would know that no man knows the day and time,
Yes he believed in the rapture but he was contrary to scripture that says not to set a date because no Man knows the date or Hour. There are people who will confuse truth with error. That is why you must check the source. God Bless
That is so funny! I remember those days.
@@sammygomes7381 Mr. Culver was not saying he was agreeing.
😂
Exactly how I would have ended the video. I was thinking it the entire time. To anyone obsessing over the end times, don't worry. Your time and mine will come at any time, and likely way sooner than the end of the world. The real apocalyptic question is not "when?", but "are you ready today?"
,,jesus is the main central figure of bible,didn`t agree with me we have find a bible with his name,where does jesus talked about trinity.
9:32 and 10:37 - Amillenialism
9:44 - Postmillennialism
10:10 - Premillennialism
11:14 - Augustine, amillenialism, and Satan being bound
12:53 - A bit of history surrounding postmillenialism, and how its popularity dwindled after World War 1, World War 2, and the Cold War
14:20 - Post-tribulational Premillennialism
15:06 and 15:53 - Pre-tribulational (dispensational) Premillennialism
16:35 - Does the Bible support a dispensational, pre-tribulation return of Jesus Christ?
16:46 - Does Acts 1:11 support a “secret, invisible return” of Jesus Christ? Will His return be visible?
17:27 - Does Matthew 16:27 show that Jesus will return, visibly? Does this passage show that the final judgment will take place as soon as Jesus returns?
18:08 - Does 1 Corinthians 15 talk about a pre-tribulation rapture?
19:05 - Is Luke 17:35-37 talking about a pre-tribulation rapture?
_"Excellent work today, Parker. Keep it up !"_
@@lonelyberg1808 😂
I thought the guy in the office one over from me was raptured while I was listening to this. But he turned out to have just gone to lunch. Whew.
This is new For me I used to be Baptist . I'm a practicing Catholic Do I wasn't sure what the church view was This is very helpful .
The current premillennial eschatology (rapture+tribulation+millennial reign) is a 19th Century American invention coming out of the early stages of Adventist/Jehovah's Witness tradition. C.I. Scofield learned about it and put it in his study bible, which is how it spread to the larger fundamentalist community and became part of standard evangelical protestant doctrine. It is the silliest part of 21st century Protestantism, especially how so much scripture is interpreted in an incredibly crazy way to make it work. David Currie's book "Rapture" is a great study on this craziness.
Luke 21:36 is a pretty good verse in favor of the pre tribute rapture. The 144 ,000 are raptured in the middle of the tribulation then the two wwitnesses are raptured after their ressurection so why is it crazy to believe the church is taken our before God's wrath?
@@klh768 The entirety of Luke 21 is referring to the destruction of the temple in AD 70, as is made clear in Lk 21:7. There is historical evidence of all of the events referred to in Luke 21 in the years leading up to the temple destruction. It is not referring to the end times. Luke's decision split Matthew 24 into 2 separate chapters (Lk 21 and Lk 18) clears up the confusion in the 2 part answer Jesus gives to a 2 part question in that Gospel that rapturists have used to support their theory.
“Therefore, when in the end when the church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, “there shall be tribulation as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies 5.29.1
Irenaeus lived from about 130-200, so no it’s not at all a new belief but a truly ancient one derived from the Bible.
@@klh768 can you imagine the apostles not getting laughed off the planet when they told their first century followers that they would be rescured before the persecution began?
They would never have told them that. They told them to persevere even unto death.
@@bazzy8376 there's a difference between persecution and the wrath of the lamb. The church has been in trouble from the beginning and always will be.
I don’t know about any of this, the only thing I’m certain about…
He shall come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom shall have no end.
I love the apostles creed👍🙏🕊
That is why we need to be born-again.
Premillennialism
Third on the list is premillennialism, currently the most popular among Fundamentalists and Evangelicals. Most of the books written about the End Times, such as Hal Lindsey’s Late Great Planet Earth, are written from a premillennial perspective.
Like postmillennialists, premillennialists believe that the thousand years is an earthly golden age during which the world will be thoroughly Christianized. Unlike postmillennialists, they believe that it will occur after the Second Coming rather than before, so that Christ reigns physically on earth during the millennium. They believe that the Final Judgment will occur only after the millennium is over (which many interpret to be an exactly one-thousand-year period).
But Scripture does not support the idea of a thousand year span between the Second Coming and the Final Judgment. Christ declares, “For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done” (Matt. 16:27), and “[w]hen the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. . . . And they [the goats] will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life” (Matt. 25:31-32, 46).
The Rapture
Premillennialists often give much attention to the doctrine of the “rapture.” According to this doctrine, when Christ returns, all of the elect who have died will be raised and transformed into a glorious state, along with the living elect, and then be caught up to be with Christ. The key text referring to the rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, which states, “For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.”
Premillennialists hold, as do virtually all Christians (except certain postmillennialists), that the Second Coming will be preceded by a time of great trouble and persecution of God’s people (2 Thess. 2:1-4). This period is often called the tribulation. Until the nineteenth century, all Christians agreed that the rapture-though it was not called that at the time-would occur immediately before the Second Coming, at the close of the period of persecution. This position is today called the “post-tribulational” view because it says the rapture will come after the tribulation.
But in the 1800s, some began to claim that the rapture would occur before the period of persecution. This position, now known as the “pre-tribulational” view, also was embraced by John Nelson Darby, an early leader of a Fundamentalist movement that became known as Dispensationalism. Darby’s pre-tribulational view of the rapture was then picked up by a man named C. I. Scofield, who taught the view in the footnotes of his Scofield Reference Bible. Many Protestants who read the Scofield Reference Bible uncritically adopted the pre-tribulational view, even though no Christian had heard of it in the previous 1800 years of Church history.
Eventually, a third position developed, known as the “mid-tribulational” view, which claims that the rapture will occur during the middle of the tribulation. Finally, a fourth view developed that claims that there will not be a single rapture where all believers are gathered to Christ, but that there will be a series of mini-raptures that occur at different times with respect to the tribulation.
The problem with all of the positions (except the historic, post-tribulational view) is that they split the Second Coming into different events. In the case of the pre-trib view, Christ is thought to have three comings-one when he was born in Bethlehem, one when he returns for the rapture at the tribulation’s beginning, and one at tribulation’s end, when he establishes the millennium. This three-comings view is foreign to Scripture.
Problems with the pre-tribulational view are highlighted by Baptist (and premillennial) theologian Dale Moody, who wrote: “Belief in a pre-tribulational rapture . . . contradicts all three chapters in the New Testament that mention the tribulation and the rapture together (Mark 13:24-27; Matt. 24:26-31; 2 Thess. 2:1-12). . . . The theory is so biblically bankrupt that the usual defense is made using three passages that do not even mention a tribulation (John 14:3; 1 Thess. 4:17; 1 Cor. 15:52). These are important passages, but they have not had one word to say about a pre-tribulational rapture. . . . Pre-tribulationism is biblically bankrupt and does not know it” (The Word of Truth, 556-7).
What’s the Catholic Position?
As far as the millennium goes, we tend to agree with Augustine and, derivatively, with the amillennialists. The Catholic position has thus historically been “amillennial” (as has been the majority Christian position in general), though Catholics do not typically use this term. The Church has rejected the premillennial position, sometimes called “millenarianism” (see the Catechism of the Catholic Church 676). In the 1940s the Holy Office judged that premillennialism “cannot safely be taught,” though the Church has not dogmatically defined this issue.
With respect to the rapture, Catholics certainly believe that the event of our gathering together to be with Christ will take place, though they do not generally use the word “rapture” to refer to this event (somewhat ironically, since the term “rapture” is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17-”we will be caught up,” [Latin: rapiemur]).
Spinning Wheels?
Many spend much time looking for signs in the heavens and in the headlines. This is especially true of premillennialists, who anxiously await the tribulation because it will inaugurate the rapture and millennium.
A more balanced perspective is given by Peter, who writes, “But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. . . . But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace” (2 Pet. 3:8-14).
AMEN
@@sammygomes7381 wrong
Thank you so much for doing this video because this was one of my main questions before I became Catholic.
Good choice. You will be left behind now.
@@bobdobbs943 no there is no rapture, but Jesus is coming back though.
@@chandlercaulder3006 Doesnt matter if you believe it or not. There are a healthy number of born again folks who dont even know about it like me when i was first changed. You got suckered into a cult of personality that tells you there is no hope of anything and that if you follow all its rules and stuff your face with its god crackers and bow down befor all its pretty graven images that you will still wake up in the flames of some pergatory where you pay for your own sins because Jesus shed blood isnt enough. May i ask, how in the world did you decide on that pedophile holyman filled cult?
As God did not spare His own Son from the trial of the Passion, I do not understand why one would ever think God would spare us the trial. I certainly would never just assume that I will be spared serious trial.
God spared Noah and his family, and Lot from destruction of the world, and from destruction of Sodom. He saved the Israelites and Moses from the coming flood.
Believer in Chirst are "in Christ" and Christ is "the Rock". When Moses needed water for the Israelites, God told Moses to strike the rock and water came out. When they needed water again, God told Moses to speak to the rock. Moses got mad and struck the rock, God punished him for this. Why? Because you don't strike the rock twice. Jesus is the Rock, we are in Him, and you don't strike the Rock twice. Regardless, we are brothers and sisters in Christ, and I cannot wait for our Blessed Hope to stand before you and I! God Bless you!
This is the absolute truth!!!! I was thinking that the Christian community (non catholics) was right and we were wrong! 😲. Unfortunately it turns out that I was wrong in believing this!!! Thank you for publishing this important info
Just so then people know, there is an incognito thought about the rapture: it's about being baptized by Christ in the Spirit. The main characters in Left Behind are people who haven't been visited by Jesus yet and are left to deal with the world. The film was most likely designed for a modern Christian audience in this way. There is no official "rapture" in terms of how it is defined in pop-culture. If people are not Christian or questioning the system at that time, there won't be any tribulation for them right before Jesus and the saints return.
The only way to prepare for the end times is to prepare for my own particular judgment.
AND THAT HAPPENS IMMEDIATELY AT DYING!!!!
The end times have been here for a few thousand years.
I feel terrible for those who fall for a pre-tribulation rapture, will be such a sad awakening wjen 'shtf' and they're all still here. Many mystics talk about an era of peace after an illumination of conscience and major chastisements all before the final persecution and second coming/final judgment. Just stay close to Christ daily and don't worry about it too much. Worry offends trust in Divine Providemce.
I don't understand why Protestants get so wrapped up in eschatology. The end times will happen regardless of what you believe, I don't see how studying it prepares you for it, and odds are that you're going to die before the end times anyway. So why not focus instead on more relevant areas of theology?
Because there’s always some pastor somewhere saying the rapture will happen this year, every year.
@@ntmn8444 Fusion, ai, and the rapture are always just a few years away.
As a Protestant myself, I totally agree. It's fun to think about but there's enough mystery about it that it's enough to know Jesus is coming back, all will be made right, and we'll be with God forever. Just focus on life now.
It has to do with the idea that if you warn people about the end, it may scare them into changing their lives. It does occasionally work, but many times does not
Or try to live like christian
I am thorough enjoying Trent’s videos, he’s a great teacher. As a former Protestant, I felt pretty shame faced when I realized how silly the rapture is, this video will help me explain it to my Protestant friends
You're not going to fill silly when you mess the rapture. You're going to fill completely lost.
Hey Sammy, still trolling I see. I see you all over UA-cam throwing daggers at Catholics, why is that?
@@lois2997 That sounds a lot like the Jewish leaders told Christ when He spoke the truth to them. I guess that is a compliment, thank you and many blessings.
Protestants are the modern day pharisees. You have eyes and ears but you cant see or hear. You have the .99 cent store version of the faith.
@@robertp881 Maybe you could help open their eyes and show them where priests can forgive sin and change the wafer into the body of Christ, or where Jesus and the apostles prayed to someone other than the Father, or where Mary was immaculate, remained a virgin, was assumed, and made a queen in heaven.
My Uncle who was Missionary Baptist Minister was the first to make me question the pre-tribulation teaching. I will never forget his words when we were watching the movie left behind on a family reunion trip. He just burst out of nowhere and said it’s not true, it won’t be like that. Don’t be fooled, as the Holy Spirit guides me I truly believe all will go through the tribulation period. I shake as I type this Lord please help me to be ready.
"The Rapture Trap" book was awesome for breaking this down for me and bringing me closer to converting.
Premillennialism
Third on the list is premillennialism, currently the most popular among Fundamentalists and Evangelicals. Most of the books written about the End Times, such as Hal Lindsey’s Late Great Planet Earth, are written from a premillennial perspective.
Like postmillennialists, premillennialists believe that the thousand years is an earthly golden age during which the world will be thoroughly Christianized. Unlike postmillennialists, they believe that it will occur after the Second Coming rather than before, so that Christ reigns physically on earth during the millennium. They believe that the Final Judgment will occur only after the millennium is over (which many interpret to be an exactly one-thousand-year period).
But Scripture does not support the idea of a thousand year span between the Second Coming and the Final Judgment. Christ declares, “For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done” (Matt. 16:27), and “[w]hen the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. . . . And they [the goats] will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life” (Matt. 25:31-32, 46).
The Rapture
Premillennialists often give much attention to the doctrine of the “rapture.” According to this doctrine, when Christ returns, all of the elect who have died will be raised and transformed into a glorious state, along with the living elect, and then be caught up to be with Christ. The key text referring to the rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, which states, “For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.”
Premillennialists hold, as do virtually all Christians (except certain postmillennialists), that the Second Coming will be preceded by a time of great trouble and persecution of God’s people (2 Thess. 2:1-4). This period is often called the tribulation. Until the nineteenth century, all Christians agreed that the rapture-though it was not called that at the time-would occur immediately before the Second Coming, at the close of the period of persecution. This position is today called the “post-tribulational” view because it says the rapture will come after the tribulation.
But in the 1800s, some began to claim that the rapture would occur before the period of persecution. This position, now known as the “pre-tribulational” view, also was embraced by John Nelson Darby, an early leader of a Fundamentalist movement that became known as Dispensationalism. Darby’s pre-tribulational view of the rapture was then picked up by a man named C. I. Scofield, who taught the view in the footnotes of his Scofield Reference Bible. Many Protestants who read the Scofield Reference Bible uncritically adopted the pre-tribulational view, even though no Christian had heard of it in the previous 1800 years of Church history.
Eventually, a third position developed, known as the “mid-tribulational” view, which claims that the rapture will occur during the middle of the tribulation. Finally, a fourth view developed that claims that there will not be a single rapture where all believers are gathered to Christ, but that there will be a series of mini-raptures that occur at different times with respect to the tribulation.
The problem with all of the positions (except the historic, post-tribulational view) is that they split the Second Coming into different events. In the case of the pre-trib view, Christ is thought to have three comings-one when he was born in Bethlehem, one when he returns for the rapture at the tribulation’s beginning, and one at tribulation’s end, when he establishes the millennium. This three-comings view is foreign to Scripture.
Problems with the pre-tribulational view are highlighted by Baptist (and premillennial) theologian Dale Moody, who wrote: “Belief in a pre-tribulational rapture . . . contradicts all three chapters in the New Testament that mention the tribulation and the rapture together (Mark 13:24-27; Matt. 24:26-31; 2 Thess. 2:1-12). . . . The theory is so biblically bankrupt that the usual defense is made using three passages that do not even mention a tribulation (John 14:3; 1 Thess. 4:17; 1 Cor. 15:52). These are important passages, but they have not had one word to say about a pre-tribulational rapture. . . . Pre-tribulationism is biblically bankrupt and does not know it” (The Word of Truth, 556-7).
What’s the Catholic Position?
As far as the millennium goes, we tend to agree with Augustine and, derivatively, with the amillennialists. The Catholic position has thus historically been “amillennial” (as has been the majority Christian position in general), though Catholics do not typically use this term. The Church has rejected the premillennial position, sometimes called “millenarianism” (see the Catechism of the Catholic Church 676). In the 1940s the Holy Office judged that premillennialism “cannot safely be taught,” though the Church has not dogmatically defined this issue.
With respect to the rapture, Catholics certainly believe that the event of our gathering together to be with Christ will take place, though they do not generally use the word “rapture” to refer to this event (somewhat ironically, since the term “rapture” is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17-”we will be caught up,” [Latin: rapiemur]).
Spinning Wheels?
Many spend much time looking for signs in the heavens and in the headlines. This is especially true of premillennialists, who anxiously await the tribulation because it will inaugurate the rapture and millennium.
A more balanced perspective is given by Peter, who writes, “But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. . . . But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace” (2 Pet. 3:8-14).
,,jesus is the main central figure of bible,didn`t agree with me we have find a bible with his name,where does jesus talked about trinity.
im really glad to be catholic
"there will be 2 women grinding together (like grinding in a mill...)" haha! the way you said that made it funny.
Please talk about “the great awakening” I know a lot of parishioners in my Spanish speaking community hear about this. Idk what that’s all about
This is a great source for covering the history of the "Great Awakening(s)".
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You are one of my favorite apologists. You have provided so much insight on the topics I struggled with for awhile
Protestants always want to paint a pretty picture and avoid suffering. The rapture is their way of saying they won’t go through the tribulation.
Ever heard of the protestant martyrs, burned at stake for wanting to make the scriptures accessible to the people?
@@jazzpote4316 The Lutheran translation was awful and not at all the charity you're making it out to be.
There's a reason these days not even Protestants use that one. It's awful, awful, awful.
@@jazzpote4316 Luther's translation was the 19th printed translation of the Bible into German, not counting quite a few medieval translations that never made their way to the printing press. Similar numbers can be seen in most other 15th and 16th century countries. This narrative that the Catholic Church was keeping the Bible in Latin for people to depend on them is absurd and mainly comes from the fact that the medieval period had no printing press (but tons of hand-copied translations into the vernacular). Thus, you are parroting Protestant propaganda.
Beautiful message and would appear to be the polar opposite of what I've been hearing in popular media. Although I must say, that for folks believing in the once saved always saved, that whole notion of being spared the tribulation would make sense to them. And it is certainly something they would want to believe. Thanks for the fantastic video!
People are so worried about the future when we can participate in eternity/ the kingdom of heaven through studying and participating in the Mass and bringing the Lord into the world through our lives right now!.. so much already in front of us.. Blessed be God forever!
Trent summarizes this perfectly at the end!
"...when we can participate in the eternal [right now]..."
Unfortunately, Evangelicals have no concept of this.
@@thekingslady1 yes the eternal now is such a mind blowing concept/ experience.. the kiss where heaven meets earth as Scott Hahn so beautifully points out.. the Mass is where it's at!!
@@sloanjackson8 It surely is !
I've been trying to figure this rapture thing out, Im excited to watch!
2 Thess 2 is also a useful bit of Scripture that lays it all out loud and clear - we will be here.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
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"It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view."
The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.
The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.
You really need to look at all the scripture that covers the rapture not just the few he covers if you want the whole picture.
@@sammygomes7381 The rapture is not in the Bible.
@@Austin_Schulz Sure it is, even the word "rapture" is. Do you have a Latin bible?
I wish that I had better catechistism teachers in the early 80s. I left the church scared into other traditions. I'm glad that I came back. For me this is where I need to be...catholic!
Love it.
The last 100 years have been tough for Catholics lots of confusion and poor leadership, the devil has been working hard trying to destroy our beautiful Church but the fires of hell will not prevail because of souls like you that are led so strongly by the Holy Spirit💪🕊
Sadly Protestantism distorts so many things in the Bible: the rapture with all its Protestant extras becomes synonymous with 1 Thessalonians 4:16. So if in some circles you don't believe the 'rapture' you don't believe the Bible.This and many other Protestant practices made me have a greater disconnect with the whole contrary Protestant system and thank God, I came into the True Church of Jesus Christ: Roman Catholic Church.
As a cradle Protestant, I completely agree. I love learning about the Catholic Faith. I have shed many, many old Protestant claims in recent years.
@@illuminatingone I like the term cradle Protestant; I heard it from you first. Although I must admit cradle Catholic sounds better. Anyway, I am so happy that you have shed so many old Protestant claims. I also hope and pray that you might go further and shed any loyalty to a particular denomination and enter the Catholic Church? May God guide you!
@@illuminatingone Hello, could you or @Bryon Lewis help me to understand the "old Protestant claims" that you have shed? I am not trying to be difficult but trying to learn. I just don't know what you are referencing is all. Thanks again.
@@christian11111 Things like: faith alone, Bible alone, statements like works have nothing to do with salvation, baptism has nothing to do with salvation; the pretense that all the Protestant denominations are one. Catholicism is not Christian.
@@byronlewis1330 hello, thanks for the reply and for the brief summary. I am a follower of Christ as well but I have not studied Catholicism in depth so I thought talking to folks who deem themselves converts might help explain the differences between Catholics and Protestants. I guess out of what you wrote the only two things I’d be interested in more elaboration is Catholics understanding of salvation. To simplify, my belief is that we are saved by believing, by faith, that Christ died on the cross for our sins by Gods grace. However Baptism and good works is a result of ones faith, it is an outward expression of our faith in God and Christ, ways that help to grow and show our faith. Not required to be saved but a natural result of ones salvation, an expectation as a result of ones faith. Thanks again for helping me understand your beliefs.
When I was young in the early 70s, the popular book about the rapture was Late Great Planet Earth by Hal Linsey.
Thank you for your great insight Trent, for helping us fight against heresy inside and outside the Church, and to celebrate our beautiful faith
Great tribulation is coming. Rapture of the church, millions will vanish, Jesus took them to safety. Barack Obama antichrist, pope false prophet mayby, fake alien invasion with demonic creatures, realistic holograms in the sky, famine, earthquakes, ww3, mark of the beast, chip/marking on/in your body..
Jesus is the only way to The Father in Heaven. Repent and give Your life to Him. Folllw Him daily, worship, praise and read the bible everyday.
❤
I read "The Left Behind" series a long long time ago. Before I converted to the Catholic Faith.
And allthough I'm far from a Theoligen by any stretch of the imagination it would be interesting to read again and pick out all the false Docterns.
Great video! I really appreciate the thorough breakdown of the misconceptions surrounding the Rapture. As a Catholic, I’ve always found it important to understand that the idea of a pre-tribulation Rapture isn't supported by Scripture or Church tradition. I love how you pointed out the Church’s teachings on the Second Coming and how we should focus on living out our faith rather than trying to predict specific events. Keep up the fantastic work of helping Catholics deepen their understanding of these crucial topics!
A lot of questions that were left unanswered by my Protestant pastor including communion and why we almost never had it and the secret rapture nonsense led me to the Catholic Church. I think the biggest lie to a question I had answered by the pastor regarding communion was why are we drinking Welch’s grape juice when the early church including Jesus drank wine? He said that they didn’t have real fermented wine like we have today. So at the wedding they got drunk on grape juice. Ridiculous
As a Catholic, raised by Protestants, I must say, I love Kirk Cameron! He’s Christian’s version on Michael J Fox. The Left Behind series are awesome! It hits the perfect middle ground between so bad it’s good and 90s Christian nostalgia
You need to make a part 2 using graphics again about the Church's stance on the matter!!
Yeah that’s kind of the problem… even though there’s an “infallible” magisterium with direct communication with God, they still haven’t defined what the right view is. They only take a stance when their authority is in question…
@@nickhanley5407 you got it a bit backwards and upside-down. Infallibility applies to doctrines only -- matters of faith and morals. I'm not sure what "direct connection to God" looks like in your imagination. To me it sounds like you believe the bishops are oracles. Catholics don't believe that (unless they're simply uninformed or lack intelligence). You've made a strawman character that's easily knocked down. In fact it's so easy to knock it down that I just helped you do it.
Great video (as always from Trent) with clear explanations of the different eschatological views. Even back when I was still evangelical(ish) Protestant, the idea of the rapture (a secret semi-coming before the actual second coming) never really made all that much sense to me, but I guess I just never questioned it very much. Thanks for this. Side note: It's funny how when you cite the verses from Luke 17, you have to clarify the meaning of the "two men in one bed" and the "two women grinding together" as if you anticipated the potential inappropriate jokes there...
I guess the bottom line is: the end times are when you breathe your last breath, whether naturally or during a catastrophic event...so be prepared and act as though today was your last day.
Amen. 100%
love your work Trent..looking forward to supporting you in all that you do! God Bless You!
JOhn Nelson Darby in 1830 invented this Rapture thing that no other biblical scholar prior to 1830 heard of it
I’m Lutheran & I’ve always wondered about this bc my mom (who was raised Baptist) believes in it but I don’t remember ever reading about it in scripture or learning about it in the Lutheran school I attended.
I had no idea that Thessalonians verse was the basis of the rapture people now think of from the movies. I never took it that way. The movie/book version seems a huge stretch imo
When I was part of the IFB movement this was one part of our holy trinity - The Book - The Blood - The Blessed Hope (Rapture)
Hahaha....I was a part of the IFB Movement - online - as well😂
For a couple years.
Omgosh.... OSAS, "hard/rip-face preaching", rabidly blind anti-Catholicism....wooo!! fun, fun fun!!!
Check out Pastor Sam Adams at Independence Baptist Church in Florida, and Pastor Matt Furse at Mountain View Baptist Church in South Dakota.
These guys and a few others now in the IFB movement have completely rejected Scofield's doctrine.
Very deep! Love from an Indian Christian 😁
Namaste
Excellent clarification of all this. Thank you.
I am sure Satan thought it was a brilliant clarification.
I’ve been waiting for him to talk about this topic!!
I kind of chuckle whenever someone mentions, “Left Behind.” 🤣
Don't confuse a movie with the truth of the rapture, you won't chuckle when it happens.
@@sammygomes7381 The rapture is unbiblical, hahahahahahaha.a
@@lbgamer6166 If it is unbiblical why did the bible tell us about it not to mention the word rapture is in the first Latin bible.
I myself uneducated person but Jesus help me to understand what you explain the Rapture, thank you Lord Jesus and thank you God bless
Augustine was fast and loose with allegory. If anyone thinks Satan has been bound during the last two thousand years, then his chain is way too long!!
Trent thx for pinning my comment near the top now I get to debate protestant heresy 👍
Well explained trent, I look forward in becoming a patreon on your website. Catholic apologetics 🐐🙏
There can be no salvation without the Catholic Church. So if the Church is raptured BEFORE the tribulation, then how could anybody be saved? There would be no Priests, no Altars, no Sacraments, no Grace, no Mass, no Marriage Supper of the Lamb. "“Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world. Blessed are those called to the Supper of the Lamb.”
Those are my thoughts. It doesn’t make sense to take the church with him then leave everyone to f around for a few years and then they’re damned anyways. Not really coherent
Super enlightening as all ways. Thank you Trent.
That's quite an engaging topic. Thanks Bro Trent 👌
I remeber listening to a protestant teaching that talked about the millenium and finding the idea actually plausible. The guy even said catholics were amillenialist, though for whatever reason, I didn't remeber this by the time I listened to the podcast a second time and was shocked to hear it. So I actually did a bunch of research on the topic and developed a complicated theory in order to fit in the seemingly very literal millenium in Sacred Scripture with Church teaching, but this always seemed a bit strange to me. In the end though I've learned to have my position on any question be: "I find X plausible. But if the Church teaches Y unbeknownst to me, I'm with Y." This is really helpful with something like that where I'm a bit overconfused.
(Wow, if a protestant reads this, they will SO think I don't have a mind on my own or something.)
Yes you do have a mind. You start with the understanding that your church is capable of error and very well could be in error but the Bible is not. You don't need the Church to tell you what to believe. It is your Job to keep the Church Honest to the Word of God. If the Bible shows you your church is teaching wrong doctrine challenge them or go where the word is preached. God Bless
Don't worry about what Protestants think. They're hardly Christian.
Excellent explanation! Thank you…🙏🙏
I have never cared about any of this.
It doesn’t change how I will live - trying my best to daily align my will with God’s through Jesus and His Church.
Yeah dont forget to pray to rosary daily. And repent of your sins. That is the only way to go to heaven. Lol
Good one SR. TRENT.. WEATHER ITS THE END OF THE WORLD OR YOUR WORLD. STAY IN GRACE WITH GOD. GOT to be in a real and true relationship with him daily. Hourly.. And every second. 👍🏻🙏🏻
Once again a good episode
Actually, I have documented that Papius, Polycarp and other patristic fathers referred to the harpotzio - rapture of the church. The first church taught it. The fist church is the Ancient Antiochene Church where we were first called "Christians".
Great topic looking forward to this video.
Amen! When all is said and done, be ready, regardless of whatever view you have. Amen!
I think I got the right concept about what the rapture is all about. Jews were given the exact day and time for the destruction of the temple as foretold in the book of Daniel. They did not believe and were not ready. Christ is coming. BELIEVE AND BE READY. Thanks Trent. I'm following you all the way from Fiji. Please help,as I'm interested in your book you mentioned in one of your videos.
“Grinding together (like grinding in a mill)…”🤦🏿♂️😅 thanks for the clarification
I actually read the entire series in middle school. No wonder I became an Atheist in high school.
I came across a message board while searching for info on this "rapture" I'd heard about. I understood even less after reading the threads, because people were arguing over terms that I'd never heard of -- the terms described in this video. All I know is that Jesus didn't leave us orphaned and He's coming back.
Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, the life. No one comes to the father but through Me." Trust Christ no a manmade church doctrine, there will be a rapture.
Thank you so much for this!
Thankyou for this video , it has cleared up alot of confusion .
Amen Trent! Well said 🙏🏼🕊❤️
Thanks for the informative video, Trent.
I am a Catholic.I believe in the
Holy Bible.❤️
Recently I have decided to approach pre and mid trib rapture believers in the following way:
"If it's pre, mid or right before the end of the 7 years of tribulation, it will be as Jesus meant and it will be righteous and just. Praise and thanks and all glory be to God."
So there is little to no discussion about man's interpretation of The Word, simply an acceptance of It.
Plus it may help some who hear/read this to not become apostates when they realise that 1948 was well over 70 years ago and that they are still here!
Stay safe,
God bless.
Even when I was a protestant, which I was raised as, when the denomination I was in (non-denominational denomination of Calvary chapel) started teaching pre-tribulation rapture, as a teenager I knew that wasn’t jiving with what I read in the Bible.
People are fooled who want to be fooled.
Protestantism is salvation for lazy people.
But unfortunately it’s false.
Catholics call any person/religion who is not a catholic a protestant and that's very ignorant. Non denominational churches like Calvary Chapel are not protestant. Catholics have hijacked the word protestant to mean "if you're not with us, you're against us"
"Protestantism is salvation for lazy people. "
That's an excellent observation.
Salvation is not easy, it's (very) hard.
@@ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски and that’s really the heart of the matter isn’t it? Some believe they have to work really hard to be loved by God, others realize he loves us apart from anything we do to deserve it.
@@TD-bq5bo So is a Muslim a protestant? How about Buddhist, Hindu or Jew?
@@TD-bq5bo But a Christian is someone who follows Christ alone
Velocirapture?
😂
To think I once believed in this... 😒
Me too
As a history nerd, I read the Rapture idea started in the 1850s. No mention by the Early Church Fathers, St Ignatius of Antioch, or in the Didache, etc.
1830 by heretics like John Darby. I am glad I was officially baptized as a Catholic in 1988 after going to Mass for a year without any knowledge whatsoever about ever being baptized. I was baptized the night before Easter Sunday in April 1988 and have never looked back. I see the Evangelists and I don’t take them seriously as they are ripe for lampooning. I believe in the Resurrection of the Dead and then Christ coming back in human form and meeting with him on Earth (the clouds was a tall tale to scare people). I am sticking with the fact that the Rapture is a False Teaching. I believe he will be back and we will see him in person. The Left Behind books and movies are Hollywood like propaganda productions.
Rule of thumb: Anything that says you will escape the Cross because you are a Christian MUST be false doctrine.
I'm a retired Free Methodist pastor who is teaching a class on the end times - and once again I have found that while most evangelical lay people hold to a pre-tribulation rapture, most evangelical clergy do not. Last week, I literally covered the same 4 views Trent presented in the video. I also used the same charts! This week I will likely upset some by presenting both sides of the rapture question....
BTW, as Wesleyans, we do see great value in the church fathers, many of whom held the pre-millennial view, before 300 A.D. That said NONE held the pre-tribulation view. That leaves the other three views, all of which have been held by theologically solid folks over the centuries.
I also agree with Trent's interpretation of the two "proof texts" so often used to "prove" the rapture. The only way they "prove" the pre-tribulation rapture is if one brings the doctrine to the passages, and then reads it into the text (eisegesis). This is the exact opposite way anyone (Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant or evangelical) should approach Scripture. We should seek to understand the meaning of the text, to draw it out (exegesis).
I'm a Protestant. The Rapture has to be the worst reason to convert from Catholicism to Protestantism. As I explore reasons for different beliefs I've been taught growing up, the Rapture/Pre-Trib narrative is probably the absolute worst held dogma in my sect. Not to say there aren't problems with Catholicism, and bad dogmatic beliefs there, but this one definitely goes to the Prots.
Thanks much for this video.
The Rapture is a very strange illogical story.
Enjoy your talks. Thanks
We are already in the tribulation many protestant sects don´t even know it because they have not being taken yet. God have Mercy.
I believe that's true.
We are not in the tribulation. Trust me when the judgements start happening you will know it.
The black sheep is definitely the Pre-Trib rapture. I'm not Catholic so I'd be intrigued if you posted the Catholic escatological view. Thanks for the video!
There is no defined view.
Jesus is coming back. Be ready.😁🙏❤️
It's the Judgment of the living and the dead. He mentioned it.
Fun Fact: The director of “The Chosen”(Dallas Jenkins) father made the Left Behind series
Absolutely true and Dallas himself is a self admitted evangelical…however, Jonathan Roumie who plays Jesus is a devout Catholic and I would assume that he is making that known on set, so hopefully Dallas is learning something. On a very interesting note, Dallas Jenkins has out a lot of emphasis on the Blessed Mother, and a lot more than a lot of Catholics do. Very interested to see where Mr. Jenkins ends up in his journey. A lot of potential for conversion to Catholicism.
I did enjoy “The Chosen” and can’t wait for season 3. From what I’ve seen, the series is pretty neutral in terms of denominational theology. The fact there’s quite a few scenes of Jesus and his mother with Mary a big focus has me optimistic of Marian respect.
@@jendoe9436 Yes, I've noticed that and appreciate it, too.
@@lyndavonkanel8603 I especially loved the Wedding at Cana (is that considered a spoiler? 😅) episode with them showing how close Jesus and Mary are, essentially humanizing the mother and son relationship. I smiled so wide as he lifted her up and swung her around in his arms, both laughing at seeing each other again. 🥰
Even if it doesn’t get to the actual Marian dogmas, I think it’s a great display having Jesus treat his mom so respectfully and openly. It may help others realize Mary will always lead to Jesus and that Jesus and the other disciples honored/loved her as well.
@@AdamZ84 Hmmm and…Jim Caviziel, Passion of the Christ, is a devout Catholic also. Coincidence?
What we sometimes forget is that it is all in God’s time and not human time. We sometimes look at prophecy and Biblical events with regards to the 24hr day time.
Trent did you ever do a critique of dispensationalism?
My view on when Christ returns/end ironically is that it doesn’t matter because that only deals with earth and likely not with yourself. The truth is if we are to live for eternity we are going to see Christ any moment by that logic and if we are to see Christ at any moment instead of guessing when that will be we should instead prepare ourselves for him instead of worrying when we will see him because that is guaranteed.
Ah, the Rapture - the eschatology of the privileged few Christians who don't face tribulations.
Standard Protestantism = easy cake Christianity where nothing is expected of them. Including any issues, problems, bad days, failure, sickness, trials, financial issues, penance, or anything else. So why would they think they would face the great tribulation. Lol.
I can’t believe they actually believe that faulty mentality. Gotta love those bumper stickers too:
“In case of rapture this vehicle will be unmanned. “. 🤦♂️ 🙄
So I guess there will be thousands of train wrecks, car accidents, plane crashes and traffic jams and other mess everywhere all at once some day. 😆
@@zealousideal and they cheerfully look forward to the mayhem them would cause.
@@carissstewart3211 I know. 🤦♂️ strange
My fear is for the pre-Trib Evangelicals. What will happen once they find themselves in the midst of the Tribulation and their rapture did not happen? Will they toss away their Bibles and become the persecutors?
@@ernestosangiacomo2634 right!? At least if we are wrong we have nothing to lose vs them has everything to lose. Oh well. 🤷♂️
Please do a video explaining the Catholic position on this issue.
Premillennialism
Third on the list is premillennialism, currently the most popular among Fundamentalists and Evangelicals. Most of the books written about the End Times, such as Hal Lindsey’s Late Great Planet Earth, are written from a premillennial perspective.
Like postmillennialists, premillennialists believe that the thousand years is an earthly golden age during which the world will be thoroughly Christianized. Unlike postmillennialists, they believe that it will occur after the Second Coming rather than before, so that Christ reigns physically on earth during the millennium. They believe that the Final Judgment will occur only after the millennium is over (which many interpret to be an exactly one-thousand-year period).
But Scripture does not support the idea of a thousand year span between the Second Coming and the Final Judgment. Christ declares, “For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done” (Matt. 16:27), and “[w]hen the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate them one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. . . . And they [the goats] will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life” (Matt. 25:31-32, 46).
The Rapture
Premillennialists often give much attention to the doctrine of the “rapture.” According to this doctrine, when Christ returns, all of the elect who have died will be raised and transformed into a glorious state, along with the living elect, and then be caught up to be with Christ. The key text referring to the rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, which states, “For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.”
Premillennialists hold, as do virtually all Christians (except certain postmillennialists), that the Second Coming will be preceded by a time of great trouble and persecution of God’s people (2 Thess. 2:1-4). This period is often called the tribulation. Until the nineteenth century, all Christians agreed that the rapture-though it was not called that at the time-would occur immediately before the Second Coming, at the close of the period of persecution. This position is today called the “post-tribulational” view because it says the rapture will come after the tribulation.
But in the 1800s, some began to claim that the rapture would occur before the period of persecution. This position, now known as the “pre-tribulational” view, also was embraced by John Nelson Darby, an early leader of a Fundamentalist movement that became known as Dispensationalism. Darby’s pre-tribulational view of the rapture was then picked up by a man named C. I. Scofield, who taught the view in the footnotes of his Scofield Reference Bible. Many Protestants who read the Scofield Reference Bible uncritically adopted the pre-tribulational view, even though no Christian had heard of it in the previous 1800 years of Church history.
Eventually, a third position developed, known as the “mid-tribulational” view, which claims that the rapture will occur during the middle of the tribulation. Finally, a fourth view developed that claims that there will not be a single rapture where all believers are gathered to Christ, but that there will be a series of mini-raptures that occur at different times with respect to the tribulation.
The problem with all of the positions (except the historic, post-tribulational view) is that they split the Second Coming into different events. In the case of the pre-trib view, Christ is thought to have three comings-one when he was born in Bethlehem, one when he returns for the rapture at the tribulation’s beginning, and one at tribulation’s end, when he establishes the millennium. This three-comings view is foreign to Scripture.
Problems with the pre-tribulational view are highlighted by Baptist (and premillennial) theologian Dale Moody, who wrote: “Belief in a pre-tribulational rapture . . . contradicts all three chapters in the New Testament that mention the tribulation and the rapture together (Mark 13:24-27; Matt. 24:26-31; 2 Thess. 2:1-12). . . . The theory is so biblically bankrupt that the usual defense is made using three passages that do not even mention a tribulation (John 14:3; 1 Thess. 4:17; 1 Cor. 15:52). These are important passages, but they have not had one word to say about a pre-tribulational rapture. . . . Pre-tribulationism is biblically bankrupt and does not know it” (The Word of Truth, 556-7).
What’s the Catholic Position?
As far as the millennium goes, we tend to agree with Augustine and, derivatively, with the amillennialists. The Catholic position has thus historically been “amillennial” (as has been the majority Christian position in general), though Catholics do not typically use this term. The Church has rejected the premillennial position, sometimes called “millenarianism” (see the Catechism of the Catholic Church 676). In the 1940s the Holy Office judged that premillennialism “cannot safely be taught,” though the Church has not dogmatically defined this issue.
With respect to the rapture, Catholics certainly believe that the event of our gathering together to be with Christ will take place, though they do not generally use the word “rapture” to refer to this event (somewhat ironically, since the term “rapture” is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17-”we will be caught up,” [Latin: rapiemur]).
Spinning Wheels?
Many spend much time looking for signs in the heavens and in the headlines. This is especially true of premillennialists, who anxiously await the tribulation because it will inaugurate the rapture and millennium.
A more balanced perspective is given by Peter, who writes, “But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. . . . But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace” (2 Pet. 3:8-14).