Answering Protestant Distortions of the Church Fathers
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- Some Protestant writers have claimed not only that major Catholic doctrines were unknown in the early Church but that the ultimate authority for the first Christians was Scripture alone. But what does the evidence say? Trent examines the historical record and shows how these claims fail to refute our Catholic faith. This talk is an excerpt from the 2019 Catholic Answers Annual Conference.
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As a Protestant pastor I would say: this is excellent!
Not to sound disrespetful, but what would be your story being here?
Then what is your argument for the reason to still protest the Catholic Church?
Imagine being the leader of a group of Christians and bringing them all home to the Bride of Our Lord. The Catholic Church. Think about what you're willing to do to defend your wife. Now imagine how much more that would be magnified for Our Lord towards His Bride.
@@marcuslow1386 Long story short: I started studying Catholic theology for myself (instead of hearing everything second-hand), beginning with Bishop Barron, and just loved Catholic theology! Study it "all the time."
no disrespect pastor, but that's rare for a protestant especially a pastor? god bless.
@@riverjao great attitude!
Wish mire on both sides can agree to disagree... Minus the hostility!
We really need to be more united with so much against the judeo christianity world.
Thank you Trent Horn for the work you do for the Catholic church! You have been a true blessing, and I believe you will be known as one of the great thinkers of our time!
My experience has been (I'm 72 years old and a convert to Catholicism in 1970) that not only Scripture but an explanation of history is needed to put all in context. We Americans are poor about history and many non- Catholic denominations are poor in or distorted history.
You are right of course, but the question is how do you know is a sound explanation of history? If you ask Rome, obviously everything agrees with Rome, ask the Eastern Orthodox and you'll hear something different.
@@LeoRegum first of all, certainly go to the historians and hear both sides apologetics on which church is true. There must be plenty on this subject on the internet, youtube, etc. Hear both sides arguments.
"To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant."
---St. John Henry Newman
James O. Read directly the sources
Totally right.
I was also a protestant until I read the writings of the ancient Church fathers such St Ignatius of Antioch, St Polycarp etc. ”Protestantism” was just a result of a confused and proud man, the most praised heretic of all ages Martin Luther. In short, protestantism is of the devil. I do not agree with Mr Trent’s all positions(except this presentation) but I think he’s done a very good job. Only the grace of God can make a protestant and of course with his/her cooperation to be drawn near to to God and His Church, the Holy Roman Catholic Church which was founded upon the rock of St Peter and the apostles. Imagine, how much loss would a well known protestant preacher experience( ie Friends, job, fame etc) if he/she converted to the Catholic faith. It also takes humility to find God and His Church.
We are not the "holy Roman Catholic Church".
We are the Catholic Church or the One holy, Catholic and apostolic church.
@@Kitiwake True, Many protestants keep saying "Roman Catholics". Which just shows how misinformed they are about Catholicism. The Catholic church is made of many Eastern churches too, which along with the Roman church is called the Catholic Church
Hmm...I find it interesting that you went from one-"ism" to another...When did you become Christian,and WHO made you Christian, men or Christ? I await your reply...🤔🤔🤔
Go back to the true Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church.
@@Kitiwake .. We are Roman Catholics...Rome is not for the Roman Empire...the Roman church is because our church was established in Rome, with the chair if Peter.
“I want to go with what the first Christians believe.” Literally. Wow. This was me about a month or so ago. It started with more in depth questions and then me asking well...the Catholics put together all of these books that I have-even though 7 are missing so why not go down the line. Ultimately, I just want to please God to how I was intended to. I want to serve Him.
welcome sister - may the Lord fill you with joy and peace
It upon yourself to decide the best path, no threats, no intimidations...truth always conquers, welcome home,
What stinks is that Catholic Churches do little or no teaching of apologetics themselves. So, you can grow up in a basic (weak) Catholic home, easily be persuaded by Protestant apologetics (and read them) and, after a long journey, have to discover restudy everything again to realize that Catholicism is truly Christian (and the original faith of the church fathers).
This was me a month or two ago. I grew up Methodist and now a month later..I make a morning offering, cross myself and pray before each meal, pray the rosary, the chaplet and read my Bible each day. Major change and I start RCIA next week. I’m so excited!! Thank you Lord for guiding me to the truth!
@@malcolmkirk3343 I`m pretty sure Orthodoxy is a lot closer to the original Church Fathers. Catholicism is a lot like a pendulum that has been swinging back and forth into radical extremes for the last thousand years or so. It also lacks so much of what Orthodoxy has.
Catholics just rebelled against the church and went on to do their own thing.
Thank you. Catholic Christian’s are the most Christ centered, 100% original believers in everything Jesus taught and said of all Christians. In the one Holy Catholic and apostolic Church established by Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago, passed on to Peter and the Apostles and preserved by their successors guided to all truth by the Holy Spirit until the end of the age. Catholics worship Jesus Christ everyday everywhere throughout the world in prayer and in the greatest prayer, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as the pure offering, a clean oblation, Malachi 1:11, in the Holy Eucharist, the body, blood, soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ. John 6, the bread of life discourse.
"Catholic Christian’s are the most Christ centered, 100% original believers in everything Jesus taught" Where did Christ teach the rosary, praying to Mary, immaculate conception, ascension of Mary, Mary queen of heaven, saying mass, confiscating property, burning people at the stake, forcing people to be catholic. The bread of life is not in the wafer, it is in the "word" of God.
So Charles you won't have a hard time showing us where Christ or the apostles said mass, prayed the rosary, prayed to Mary and dead saints?
The whole Roman Catholic structure is based on three false presuppositions:
1. That the text of Matthew 16:16-20 means that Peter was the foundation of the Church; that the Church was built on him;
2. That Peter went to Rome and was the first bishop in Rome;
3. That Peter's successors are the bishops of Rome under the primacy of the Pope. (It is worth mentioning here, that the list of Popes concocted by Rome is a fable. In its humble beginning, the church at Rome was guided by a plurality of elders, and not one single bishop. Then throughout its latter history, as two, even three, concurrent Popes vied for the throne, intrigue and deceit crowned the victor.)
@@sammygomes7381 Let me guess, you are a bitter, former Catholic?
The Whole Catholic Mass is biblical. 🙏🙏🙏
@@Obedience33 Actually it's not. If it was biblical, it would be in the bible.
Thank you Trent Horn for defending the true Faith and for spreading the truth. I just converted to the Catholic Church 3 months ago. By the Grace of God through His Church I've changed alot and became more a loving person. I guess Calvinistic theology makes one a very judgemental and angry person, so I am glad that I am over that. I'm reading the Cathecism at the moment and oh my goodness it is very rich and deep. I love my Catholic Faith. Thank you!!!
I’ve had a similar experience. The more I’ve learned and practiced the faith, I have noticed a change in me and I feel closer to God. Others have now noticed. Thanks be to God
Kindly refute any of these FACTS with book, chapter and numbered verse FROM the Bible!!
FACTS:
#1--Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.-(where is the title Pope in the Bible?)
#2--Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. (Where does the bible say Mary will go/has gone to heaven?)
#3--Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor. (Where does the bible say Mary is a mediator?
#4--Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. (Where in the bible does it state Mary never sinned?)
#5--Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. (Where in the bible does it state Mary remained a virgin?)
#6--Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. (Where is the Bible does it state a mere man is head of Christ's church?)
#7--Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. (Where in the Bible is a church named Catholic mentioned?)
#8--Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.-(Where is the bible does it state we can pray to the dead?)
#9--Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. (Where in the bible does it state the dead can hear our prayers
#10--Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship . (Where in the Bible does IT STATE GOD changed the day of worship to Sunday?)
#11--Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest". (Where in the Bible does it state we are to confess our sins to a Priest?)
#12--Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins. (Where in the Bible does it state a priest can forgive our sins
#13--Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church..(Where is the bible does it state our salvation comes from a church
#14--Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!! (Where in the bile does it state we are to use/pray to beads?)
#15--Christ NEVER started a church named Catholic!!! (Where in the Bible does it mention a church named Catholic?)
#16--Christ never said to confess your sins to a priest.
The bottom line is, the Messiah kept the Law perfectly, and we are to walk as he walked according to the Scriptures at 1 John 2:4-6. Those who do not follow Messiah’s footsteps are workers of lawlessness according to the Messiah himself.
Kindly refute these FACTS with book, chapter and numbered verse FROM the Bible.
Answer however many as yoiu want!!! ONLY Book, chapter and number of the verse!!! No need to quote the verse or explain it!!!
Isaiah 8:20
To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no light.
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Galatians 3:24-25 (NKJV):
"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."
1 Corinthians 9:21 (NKJV)
"To those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law."
We are under the law of Christ, it is the law by which we will be judged not the old law.
>>>>>>
POPE BENEDICT XVI: While Catholic believe the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit and that it is true, “one cannot take individual biblical quotes or passages and say each one is literally true.”
“It is possible to understand the sacred Scriptures as the word of God only by looking at the Bible as a whole, a totality in which the individual elements enlighten each other and open the way to understanding. It is not possible to apply the criterion of inspiration or of absolute truth in a mechanical way, extrapolating a single phrase or expression.”
Catholic News Service, May 2011
@@mitchellosmer1293 That's boring and as a former Protestant who believed all of that nonesense, and heard all of that arguments a thousand times. Go and read the Catechism which will explain all of these to you using not only the Bible but also early church fathers.
i don't have time to answer all of that, do your own research to answer that.
@@Dolfiey quote--- Go and read the Catechism which will explain all of these to you using not only the Bible but also early church fathers...unquote
LOL--ROFL
NO Catechism explains anything!!! All they say are lies! NOT one catechsm gives a bible quote to reference it!!!
>>Quote----do your own research to answer that....unquoet
I HAVE for OVER 40 years!!!! My FACTS ARE FACTS!!!!
>>Quote----but also early church fathers...unquote
Fathers?? Sorry, what Church Gods???
::FACTS:
Kindly refute any of these FACTS with book, chapter and numbered verse FROM the Bible!!
FACTS:
#1--Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.-(where is the title Pope in the Bible?)
#2--Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. (Where does the bible say Mary will go/has gone to heaven?)
#3--Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor. (Where does the bible say Mary is a mediator?
#4--Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. (Where in the bible does it state Mary never sinned?)
#5--Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. (Where in the bible does it state Mary remained a virgin?)
#6--Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. (Where is the Bible does it state a mere man is head of Christ's church?)
#7--Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. (Where in the Bible is a church named Catholic mentioned?)
#8--Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.-(Where is the bible does it state we can pray to the dead?)
#9--Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. (Where in the bible does it state the dead can hear our prayers
#10--Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship . (Where in the Bible does IT STATE GOD changed the day of worship to Sunday?)
#11--Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest". (Where in the Bible does it state we are to confess our sins to a Priest?)
#12--Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins. (Where in the Bible does it state a priest can forgive our sins
#13--Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church..(Where is the bible does it state our salvation comes from a church
#14--Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!! (Where in the bile does it state we are to use/pray to beads?)
#15--Christ NEVER started a church named Catholic!!! (Where in the Bible does it mention a church named Catholic?)
#16--Christ never said to confess your sins to a priest.
The bottom line is, the Messiah kept the Law perfectly, and we are to walk as he walked according to the Scriptures at 1 John 2:4-6. Those who do not follow Messiah’s footsteps are workers of lawlessness according to the Messiah himself.
Kindly refute these FACTS with book, chapter and numbered verse FROM the Bible.
Answer however many as yoiu want!!! ONLY Book, chapter and number of the verse!!! No need to quote the verse or explain it!!!
I----saiah 8:20
To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no light.
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Galatians 3:24-25 (NKJV):
"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."
1 Corinthians 9:21 (NKJV)
"To those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law."
We are under the law of Christ, it is the law by which we will be judged not the old law.
>>>>>>>>>>>
POPE BENEDICT XVI: While Catholic believe the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit and that it is true, “one cannot take individual biblical quotes or passages and say each one is literally true.”
“It is possible to understand the sacred Scriptures as the word of God only by looking at the Bible as a whole, a totality in which the individual elements enlighten each other and open the way to understanding. It is not possible to apply the criterion of inspiration or of absolute truth in a mechanical way, extrapolating a single phrase or expression.”
Catholic News Service, May 2011
"...love, at last, is always the winning argument." Trent is an effective apologist not because he's knowledgeable and brilliant, not because he speaks truth with confidence, and not because he's very down to earth, but it's because he speaks with love and humility.
Well-said.
Not love of the lies of the Roman Catholic church
Trent is a spokes hole for his father the devil. That is so harsh you say… God be my judge as to righteous judgement versus hypocritical.
If I’m wrong then my soul is condemned.
I don’t believe by the eternal judgment of my soul with Christ alone as my judge that this is foolishly spoken.
No- just truth exposing darkness to light by the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Trent fools no one who knows the word of God and has an intimate personal relationship with Christ by their teacher-the Holy Spirit…
He only fools Roman Catholics and her daughters by itching their ears as to what they want to hear…
@@frederickanderson1860
Tell me you're commenting on a video you never watched without telling me you're commenting on a video you never watched.
@@Michael-pw2td no church is without errors in tradition and theological assumptions. Take the plank out of your Roman Catholic eyes before you judge others.
Trent Horns videos and books have helped me defend my faith to my family and friends. I am a convert (5years) and the only Catholic in my family. The church fathers was the game changer for me from Protestantism to Catholicism.
Of course. The RCC way, follow words of men, not Word of God.
@joycegreer9391 apparently you don't read the bible or the CCC either. You know the part about slandering your neighbor. Typical Protestant. The protestant churches are the man made religion based on man's protesting the only church established by Christ. 😆
@@joycegreer9391 Yes. The way of following the teachings of the Church established by Jesus himself through Apostolic Succession rather than following the 'Sola Scriptura' of the thousands of denominations that decided that they knew better.
@@AveChristeRex Following words of men instead of the Word of God. The men of your "church" thinking they know better than God. Jesus did not establish Catholicism. No apostle founded the church in Rome.
@@joycegreer9391 The church did not begin in Rome. The church began at Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came down to baptize the disciples along with mary (Acts 2). That happened in Jerusalem. Eventually Peter moved to Rome where he became the Bishop and will eventually die as a martyr by being crucified upside down.
Brother or sister, in this 'argument' I hope you understand that I am only trying to help and to spread the truth. I pray daily that one day may Christianity may become one Church united in Christ, though it may be far, I do believe it is possible. God bless.
I’m addicted to Mr. Trent’s videos
In my opinion he’s the best in the catholic church
Catholic convert from a Reformed theological background. Love this!!
What caused you to change?
@@aguy568 GOD ALMIGHTY sent him a strong delusion,that he should believe A LIE and be deceived by the cult he follows
@justjoe4260 Tell me you're commenting on a video you never watched without telling me you're commenting on a video you never watched.
So sad. You have fallen for deception.
@@joycegreer9391 So sad you have fallen for deception.
Thanks for defending our faith Mr.Trent may the holy spirit be with you always keep up the holy fight for us catholic.
Unbelievable, you are telling another Catholic member may the holy spirit be with you and keep the holy fight.
When Catholicism actually rejects the holy spirit. There is not one Catholic church in the world that you can find Catholic members speaking in tongue.
The services are literally dead, void of the life. Its just repetitive vain rituals. Catholic churches are not even warm. All that happens in Catholic churches is blaspheme and sacrilege.
Jesus Christ is not even in the Eucharist in Catholic churches. The priest lets any one who says he wants to become a Catholic or take mass eat of the The Eucharist.
You have no idea of the mortal danger of the person eating the Eucharist if he/she is not sincere and saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, before,, and has live a faithful christian life in the sight of God., alone. Not man. If Jesus was in the in the Eucharist in Catholic mass. Do you know how many people would be dead instantly. They would literally drop dead.
In the holy bible Jesus tells us we can not pour new wine in to an old wine skin, or else the the wine skin will tare. Mean that the person who is not saved will most likely die. It's all up to God's mercy.
@feebeedee OK i must admit i was foolish and ignorant to assume that there isn't one Catholic has the gift of speaking in tongues.( I'm still suspicious of catholics speaking in tongues),for three reasons.
Can you tell me for certain that when you heard them speak in tongues there was an interpreter present, and was you and whole congregation edified by the holy word of God?
Secondly, i don't watch many mass or catholic sermons. Not one person including the priest spoke in tongues. The services were literally dead. Just repetitive readings without any emotions nor understanding of the holy word of God. Which means everyone there was void of the spirit of understanding from God. Even the singing of hymns seems lifeless, as though the congregation didn't understand the words they were singing and had no commitment.
Lastly, knowing that the Vatican, Vaticanus, literally means divine serpent. The divine serpent is the god of this world, satan.
The catechism originated out of the Vatican. The pope is a man-made fraudulent holy father. (No one but Jesus Christ is holy and is the father of all creation.) The pope is evil he believes he alone has the power and authority over God to change the holy word of God. (the our father prayer.)
Why am i wrong as a protestant?
@feebeedee I didn't even mention the fact that Catholic have their own catholic bible for catholics. It is created by man out of the vatican.
I mean this sincerely i do not hate one billion catholic, not one. I love you all as my neighbour. I'm no different from you. I was born in sin and shaped in iniquity, and fallen short of the glory of God.
I will be honest though i kind of hate the pope. Why? because the pope is the leader of Catholicism. He knows better. Also, he is deliberately deceiving and corrupting many many people.
So you see i despise Catholicism, the man-made religion. Which is evidently contrary to the holy word of God.
@@floydknight8895 Brother you’ve been lied for your entire life about the Catholic Church. It’s not your fault. You have been taught this way( lies). And it’s normal you’ve no clue about the Church. Forget everything you’ve been taught and do your own unbiased research. Look for yourself why Catholics do this and that from a catholic source and you may understand a bit. I bet you 99% of the people that taught you all these lies have no clue of what they talking about the CC. All the lies were taught and carried on from generation to generation. It’s like racism, it’s taught and you won’t know how bad it is till you walk off from the circle you were born in and get close to those you were taught to hate and see they’re not different from you. Sometimes it’s not easy to break ties and move on but you have to be willing and try for the TRUTH!! Peace brother
@@Flyreelss I'm being very sincere, i speak from my heart. I personally don't have anything against individual Catholics.
I'm completely against Catholicism.
Why would you believe,(it's not possible) a man or woman could teach me or show me the truth about how truly corrupt Catholicism really is.
I couldn't listen and believe another human being about other human beings. It is just inconceivable to do that.
No human being told me the truth of how corrupt Catholicism really is. right from its origins.
The living breathing holy word of God revealed the truth to me.
2Tim.3: 5
2 Cor. 4: 2-7.
This is what I exactly want now!
Because they took notice that there's a large numbers of their ministry who's converting to catholicism because of the church fathers, they had to distort it.
Foxfamily Rool sadly, not all protestants respect Catholicism
@@michaelfarah7735 true indeed. many are fanatically hostile to this day, but keep it mostly among themselves these days, compared to over 40 years ago where it was full blown open in your face hostility, if you lived below the bible belt especially...
clattereffect yeah, it’s disturbing sometimes cause idk what us Catholics have ever done to them, but i guess we gotta try and help them
I recall my humanities class, senior year, high school. The teacher had finished lecturing on Jesus Christ in the historical context of the Roman Empire at the time.
After the bell rang he said "Tomorrow we are going to discuss the early Christian Church and what it believed. Some of you are going to be mighty surprised, I'll tell you that."
I liked that particular teacher and respected him but I wondered what he would say. I knew him to be a devout Southern Baptist.
I should explain that I was in instructions to become a Catholic. I was in what is now called R.C.I.A.
In this class was a young man who aspired to be a Baptist minister. He walked away that day with the smuggest self-assurance I have ever seen.
The next day the teacher mentioned the Church Fathers and named some of them. The teacher explained how the early Church had bishops and priests and the Mass. The teacher said that the early Church taught salvation by the seven sacraments, and he named off the sacraments. The teacher concluded by saying that the early Church taught that outside the Church there is no salvation.
You could have heard a pin drop. The young fellow who wanted to be a Baptist preacher? You should have seen the shock in his eyes and how low his jaw dropped.
@@GeorgePenton-np9rh Can you show me where there is evidence that the early church had priests? And salvation by the seven sacraments.
I m a French Catholic and I am extremely edified by the faith of the Amercicans Catholics. Your knowledge about Catholicism faith is remarkable. I m studying theology at the faculty, its so interessing! I don't understand why is so difficult to Protestantism to believe the Catholic true... Thanks Mister Luther.. There are somes evidences in the history, for example : the church fathers. I note that some protestants distorded a lot of thing like factuals stuff : history, apostolic succession, etc... The human mind is capable of anything for justify his point of view!
@Prasanth Thomas Sorry for my english.
I m close to Paris, in the North of France in the city of Senlis.
And u ?
Just make sure you're have eternal life and know it. Being saved has nothing to do with being a Catholic or Protestant whatever that means.
@@gerardbenjamin8272 Just make you sure that you have the true interpretation but not yours own view.
@@geoffroycty1427 Je suis absolument certain. La parole de dieu est établie dans Les cieux pour toujours.
FACTS:
#1--Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.-(where is the title Pope in the Bible?)
#2--Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. (Where does the bible say Mary will go/has gone to heaven?)
#3--Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor. (Where does the bible say Mary is a mediator?
#4--Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. (Where in the bible does it state Mary never sinned?)
#5--Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. (Where in the bible does it state Mary remained a virgin?)
#6--Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. (Where is the Bible does it state a mere man is head of Christ's church?)
#7--Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. (Where in the Bible is a church named Catholic mentioned?)
#8--Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.-(Where is the bible does it state we can pray to the dead?)
#9--Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. (Where in the bible does it state the dead can hear our prayers
#10--Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship . (Where in the Bible does IT STATE GOD changed the day of worship to Sunday?)
#11--Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest". (Where in the Bible does it state we are to confess our sins to a Priest?)
#12--Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins. (Where in the Bible does it state a priest can forgive our sins
#13--Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church..(Where is the bible does it state our salvation comes from a church
#14--Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!! (Where in the bile does it state we are to use/pray to beads?)
#15--Christ NEVER started a church named Catholic!!! (Where in the Bible does it mention a church named Catholic?)
#16--Christ never said to confess your sins to a priest.
The bottom line is, the Messiah kept the Law perfectly, and we are to walk as he walked according to the Scriptures at 1 John 2:4-6. Those who do not follow Messiah’s footsteps are workers of lawlessness according to the Messiah himself.
Kindly refute these FACTS with book, chapter and numbered verse FROM the Bible.
Answer however many as yoiu want!!! ONLY Book, chapter and number of the verse!!! No need to quote the verse or explain it!!!
Isaiah 8:20
To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no light.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Galatians 3:24-25 (NKJV):
"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."
1 Corinthians 9:21 (NKJV)
"To those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law."
We are under the law of Christ, it is the law by which we will be judged not the old law.
>>>>>>
POPE BENEDICT XVI: While Catholic believe the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit and that it is true, “one cannot take individual biblical quotes or passages and say each one is literally true.”
“It is possible to understand the sacred Scriptures as the word of God only by looking at the Bible as a whole, a totality in which the individual elements enlighten each other and open the way to understanding. It is not possible to apply the criterion of inspiration or of absolute truth in a mechanical way, extrapolating a single phrase or expression.”
Catholic News Service, May 2011
Proud being catholic
@T Z Catholicism is not biblical
@@coryalbright9798 awkward.
@@timothyfreeman97 😅
@@coryalbright9798 blank
@@nosuchthing8 thus line of argumentation always amazes me. What is it exactly your trying to prove by your statement?
I love being catholic. Love from south Africa cape town. ⛪⛪⛪⛪⛪⛪💒🌄♥️
I have deep respect for the work of Mr. Horton. In fact, I am in deep need of his wise advice and would appreciate an opportunity to ask him one question. But I understand if this is not possible. In any case, God bless you for your wonderful work.
This is a prime example of a video I didn't know I needed. Thank you
I’m glad Trent clarified when the immaculate conception was formally defined here at 19:02
You're better off believing Lord of the Rings is true compared to the satanic views the catholic church gives about Mary being without sin.
St. Faustina was allowed to see Purgatory. This is what she wrote in her diary, " I saw my Guardian Angel, who ordered me to follow him. In a moment I was in a misty place full of fire in which there was a great crowd of suffering souls. They were praying fervently, but to no avail, for themselves; only we can come to their aid. The flames which were burning them did not touch me at all. My Guardian Angel did not leave me for an instant. I asked these souls what their greatest suffering was. They answered me in one voice that their greatest torment was longing for God. I saw Our Lady visiting the souls in PURGATORY. The souls call her “The Star of the Sea.” She brings them refreshment. I wanted to talk with them some more, but my Guardian Angel beckoned me to leave. We went out of that prison of suffering. [I heard an interior voice] which said, My mercy does not want this, but justice demands it. Since that time, I am in closer communion with the suffering souls. (Diary, 20)."
Yeah, so Jesus suffered in vain then. We all need to go suffer again as well for our own sins. How this horrible heresy ever got into the church, only the devil knows?!
@@saintejeannedarc9460do you want to get an explanation or you just want to argue
@@jacobalexander4167 I know it wasn't a gracious opening statement. The doctrine of purgatory is an upsetting one. It takes away from Jesus' atonement, which was more than sufficient for our sins. All of our sins, though I know you have been taught not to see it that way, which is unfortunate.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 do you believe Jesus is a Holy God and resides in heaven a Holy place?
@@jacobalexander4167 Yes, of course I do believe God is Holy and no unclean thing can enter the perfection of heaven. Jesus blood does cleanse us from all unrighteousness. We have a lifelong struggle w/ sin in this body of flesh, so we struggle w/ carnal things. When we are perfected, and released from this body of sin and death, that will no longer be an issue. We stand perfected before God by the perfect cleansing of the blood of the lamb.
Most important quote from a Church father concerning the Church:
“…that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; …which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority…
…The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate [of Rome]. Of this Linus…Anacletus…Clement…[and] Eleutherius does now…hold the inheritance of the episcopate.
In this order, and by this succession, the ecclesiastical tradition from the apostles, and the preaching of the truth, have come down to us. And this is most abundant proof that there is one and the same vivifying faith, which has been preserved in the Church from the apostles until now, and handed down in truth…”
- Irenaeus of Lyon, Against Heresies Book III.3.3 (c. AD 180)
You do realize this doesn't actually pose a problem for many "Protestants", right?
Btw, I think what's more important would be something like this:
"[W]e are not entitled to such licence, I mean that of affirming what we please; we make the Holy Scriptures the rule and the measure of every tenet; we necessarily fix our eyes upon that, and approve that alone which may be made to harmonize with the intention of those writings."
St. Gregory of Nyssa
“We do not think that it is right to make their prevailing custom the law and rule of sound doctrine. For if custom is to avail for proof of soundness, we too, surely, may advance our prevailing custom; and if they reject this, we are surely not bound to follow theirs. Let the inspired Scripture, then, be our umpire, and the vote of truth will surely be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words.”
St. Gregory Nyssa
On the Holy Trinity
You see, a lineage succession is a neat idea and can be useful, but you can't actually even prove that line anymore for most bishops anyway. Neither can you prove that each Bishop was rightly chosen, as there are Canon laws for how to choose bishops anyway. For example, St. Ambrose, according to your own rules, should not have been elected Bishop, and even admitted he didn't know much about Scriptures prior to being a bishop. He wasn't even baptized yet when he was chosen to be a bishop. St Athanasius didn't hold to the same Canon as Rome does as dogma, yet you are not going to consider him anathema, are you?
@@dave1370 You can prove that basically the only thing that bars a tracing of apostolic lineages is a bishop in the 1700s whose records of appointing bishops has been lost. We are missing the appointees of that one bishop and have all those before him. It is beyond a reasonable doubt that he appointed who it is said he appointed, so your argument really doesn’t hold water. To use Gregory of Nyssa as an argument to depose the papacy is hilarious, read the Commonitorium by St. Vincent of Lerins written in the 300s A.D. and you will see that heretics always had their own interpretation of scripture, so Nyssa surely wouldn’t have assented to a Protestant interpretation of scripture.
It shouldn't be about catholicism or protestantism.
To me, it should be about seeking the truth otherwise we become like political parties.
I was a lukewarm catholic who didn't know anything about catholicism and I wondered in protestant churches and this pandemic I started searching for answers that my protestant friends and pastors were throwing at me.
I have found my answers and now, I am a firm catholic and it could have been the other way around if I had found the truth in protestantism.
Prace to all, we serve one Master our Almight God so I don't see any point of really not judging each other.
@Dark Angel
You are now a firm Catholic, you say? What type of Catholic are you? Charismatic? Progressive? Sedevacantist? RadTrad? Old Catholic? Eastern-Rite? Anglo-Catholic? Molinist? Thomist? Secular? Marionite?
You supposedly didn’t find the truth in Protestantism. In how many forms of Protestantism have you sought the truth?
I would suggest to you that in however many forms you sought it…it wasn’t enough.
@@hanssvineklev648 You are not the one to define what is the truth.
Only God does and the church He founded over 2000 years ago.
I didn't find what I was looking for all those churches I said.
and the last time you said the rosary was?
That debate was James White vs Fr stravinskas. James only addressed him as sir.
J. White is...something else. A very good debater but his willingness to win a debate is so great he can't find the humility to respect a man's title.
@@writegillian James White is very good at public speaking and debating. Doesn't make him correct. Personal opinion, I find his disdain for Catholicism and tactics to be that of a snake. Have you read debate video summaries on his ministry's UA-cam channel? It's always heavily biased like he ko'd the opponent when he really didnt
@@writegillian I’m not at all a fan of James White, but to be fair to him (and other protestants), if I were wholly convinced that the true way to interpret “call no man father” was that you can literally only call God and your earthly dad “father”, I would not disrespect God’s command for a man who claims the title “father” in the way that i believe to be against God.
@@ajamusic7322 Yeah, he makes it seem like he always defeated his opponents in debate. When I watched some of his debates against Catholics, even when I was a fan of his, I never really thought that he totally destroyed his opponents. White made some god points here and there. Although I now realize that some of his arguments that I thought were good or were strong were actually not that great or were poor arguments. Overall, White is great at debating and a great rhetorician, however, he is not undefeated against Catholics, nor are most of his arguments against Catholicism that great.
@@erravi I understand. But that is quite the absurd interpretation of said passage.
I am proud to be a Catholic..God bless you Trent and God bless all of us 🙏🙏🙏Amen
One of my favorite Trent Horn talks
Very nice! 😍😍 (Ironic that his name is Trent, though! 😂)
Nice work, Trent.
Good job Trent!
Very informative and knowledgeable talk. Only the Catholic Church could have a show like Catholic Answers! The denominations cannot back up their beliefs thoroughly, especially sola scriptura. It is obviously illogical. Thanks, Trent, and may God continue to bless your work and that of Catholic Answers.
What do you mean illogical? How is it in any way illogical, have you ever read the writing's of polycarp, tertullian or origen or augustine of hippo regarding scriptural authority!! Wow I'm amazed at your absolute ignorance regarding your statement. Your just another blind unintelligent Catholic infant that the life of Christ has been somehow superceded by the papacy. You disgusting heretic
Noel Carroll wow tell people how you really feel. Stop holding back. 😂
Let’s look at Tertullian...
In Prescription 19.1 he opens with: “Our appeal, therefore, must not be made to the Scriptures. . . .”
“It remains, then, that we demonstrate whether this doctrine of ours, of which we have not given the rule, has its origin in the tradition of the apostles and whether all other doctrines do not ipso facto proceed from falsehood.”-Tertullian (Prescription 21)
“. . . and after first bearing witness to the faith in Jesus Christ throughout Judaea, and founding churches (there), they next went forth into the world and preached the same doctrine of the same faith to the nations. They then in like manner founded churches in every city, from which all the other churches, one after another, derived the tradition of the faith, and the seeds of doctrine, and are every day deriving them, that they may become churches. Indeed, it is on this account only that they will be able to deem themselves apostolic, as being the offspring of apostolic churches.” (Prescription 20.4-6)
“But if there be any (heresies) which are bold enough to plant themselves in the midst of the apostolic age, that they may thereby seem to have been handed down by the apostles, because they existed in the time of the apostles, we can say: Let them produce the original records of their churches; let them unfold the roll of their bishops, running down in due succession from the beginning in such a manner that [that first bishop of theirs ] bishop shall be able to show for his ordainer and predecessor some one of the apostles or of apostolic men,- a man, moreover, who continued steadfast with the apostles.”-Tertullian (Prescription 32)
“Error of doctrine in the churches must necessarily have produced various issues. When, however, that which is deposited among many is found to be one and the same, it is not the result of error, but of tradition. Can anyone, then, be reckless enough to say that they were in error who handed on the tradition?”-Tertullian (Prescription 28.2-4)
“Where diversity of doctrine is found, there, then, must the corruption both of the Scriptures and the expositions thereof be regarded as existing. On those whose purpose it was to teach differently, lay the necessity of differently arranging the instruments of doctrine.”-Tertullian (Prescription 38.1-2)
@Richie Rich did I claim spiritual succession Ritchie!! That's Catholic dogma, I don't evoke tradition hence solo scriptural, I understand doctrine and philosophy from the church fathers I don't learn scripture. Also you have some balls to challenge me on my attitude when all I read on these threads is anti non Catholic rhetoric, but I wouldn't expect anything less from matt patrons as some of my family knew of him when he lived in Co donegal where he was well known to have anti Protestant sentiments
You also site St Peters warnings of scriptural distortion!! Wow a Catholic judging Protestants scriptural distortion give me a break, you have added more to scripture since the council of trent alone not counting the tons of scriptural distortions prior to the council of trent that brought the western world to its knees in the 16th century. You are unbelievable. And how in any sane man's mind does 2 Peter cpt3 refute personal interpretation? Read it in context
Amazing video. All was useful
Foxfamily Rool that’s true but how Protestants don’t take communion. The bread turns into the body of Christ. They don’t celebrate it weekly. There are many other beliefs they don’t get either.
Jesus is LORD.
I highly urge anyone of the Catholic faith to listen to testimony of Jews coming to the faith. Eye-opening stuff.
Jesus is God too
Jesus is Lord, Son of God, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, our Savior and Shepherd. He the founder of THE church, whom He calls His Bride
2:53 starts the talk
What is the name of the Catholic answers theme song?
Love you all at CA
Glad to see Catholics answering back. Most of the time Catholics act ignorant
Such a Great video!
I been debating with Protestant for more than 8 years the Question is can trace the history of her sect back to the first century Can the Protestante trace back their fake church back to the time of the apostles? To whom did the apostles taught the teaching of CHrist which has the ability to teach other ( 2 tim 2.2)
who was the real pope when the one at Avignon excommunicated the one at Rome and vice-versa or were they both excommunicated?
A church starting tomorrow that teaches the word of God can trace their roots back to Christ.
You cannot trace the Catholic history to the first century. One does not have to trace when their church started, if they follow Christ, the word of God, they belong to the church Christ started.
@@sammygomes7381 Haha!
Thank You Lord Jesus Christ for calling me to the Catholic Faith..so very proud of it... God bless everyone in the Name of the Holy Father, the Son and Spirit..Amen
FACTS:
#1--Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.-(where is the title Pope in the Bible?)
#2--Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. (Where does the bible say Mary will go/has gone to heaven?)
#3--Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor. (Where does the bible say Mary is a mediator?
#4--Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. (Where in the bible does it state Mary never sinned?)
#5--Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. (Where in the bible does it state Mary remained a virgin?)
#6--Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. (Where is the Bible does it state a mere man is head of Christ's church?)
#7--Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. (Where in the Bible is a church named Catholic mentioned?)
#8--Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.-(Where is the bible does it state we can pray to the dead?)
#9--Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. (Where in the bible does it state the dead can hear our prayers
#10--Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship . (Where in the Bible does IT STATE GOD changed the day of worship to Sunday?)
#11--Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest". (Where in the Bible does it state we are to confess our sins to a Priest?)
#12--Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins. (Where in the Bible does it state a priest can forgive our sins
#13--Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church..(Where is the bible does it state our salvation comes from a church
#14--Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!! (Where in the bile does it state we are to use/pray to beads?)
#15--Christ NEVER started a church named Catholic!!! (Where in the Bible does it mention a church named Catholic?)
#16--Christ never said to confess your sins to a priest.
The bottom line is, the Messiah kept the Law perfectly, and we are to walk as he walked according to the Scriptures at 1 John 2:4-6. Those who do not follow Messiah’s footsteps are workers of lawlessness according to the Messiah himself.
-----Isaiah 8:20
To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no light.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Galatians 3:24-25 (NKJV):
"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."
1 Corinthians 9:21 (NKJV)
"To those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law."
We are under the law of Christ, it is the law by which we will be judged not the old law.
>>>>>>
POPE BENEDICT XVI: While Catholic believe the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit and that it is true, “one cannot take individual biblical quotes or passages and say each one is literally true.”
“It is possible to understand the sacred Scriptures as the word of God only by looking at the Bible as a whole, a totality in which the individual elements enlighten each other and open the way to understanding. It is not possible to apply the criterion of inspiration or of absolute truth in a mechanical way, extrapolating a single phrase or expression.”
Catholic News Service, May 2011
Wow!! This was awesome!!
Trent is a genius in apologetic, his memory is sharp. God bless his works and CA !
FACTS:
#1--Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.-(where is the title Pope in the Bible?)
#2--Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. (Where does the bible say Mary will go/has gone to heaven?)
#3--Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor. (Where does the bible say Mary is a mediator?
#4--Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. (Where in the bible does it state Mary never sinned?)
#5--Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. (Where in the bible does it state Mary remained a virgin?)
#6--Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. (Where is the Bible does it state a mere man is head of Christ's church?)
#7--Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. (Where in the Bible is a church named Catholic mentioned?)
#8--Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.-(Where is the bible does it state we can pray to the dead?)
#9--Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. (Where in the bible does it state the dead can hear our prayers
#10--Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship . (Where in the Bible does IT STATE GOD changed the day of worship to Sunday?)
#11--Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest". (Where in the Bible does it state we are to confess our sins to a Priest?)
#12--Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins. (Where in the Bible does it state a priest can forgive our sins
#13--Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church..(Where is the bible does it state our salvation comes from a church
#14--Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!! (Where in the bile does it state we are to use/pray to beads?)
#15--Christ NEVER started a church named Catholic!!! (Where in the Bible does it mention a church named Catholic?)
#16--Christ never said to confess your sins to a priest.
The bottom line is, the Messiah kept the Law perfectly, and we are to walk as he walked according to the Scriptures at 1 John 2:4-6. Those who do not follow Messiah’s footsteps are workers of lawlessness according to the Messiah himself.
Kindly refute these FACTS with book, chapter and numbered verse FROM the Bible.
Answer however many as yoiu want!!! ONLY Book, chapter and number of the verse!!! No need to quote the verse or explain it!!!
Isaiah 8:20
To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no light.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Galatians 3:24-25 (NKJV):
"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."
1 Corinthians 9:21 (NKJV)
"To those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law."
We are under the law of Christ, it is the law by which we will be judged not the old law.
>>>>>>
POPE BENEDICT XVI: While Catholic believe the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit and that it is true, “one cannot take individual biblical quotes or passages and say each one is literally true.”
“It is possible to understand the sacred Scriptures as the word of God only by looking at the Bible as a whole, a totality in which the individual elements enlighten each other and open the way to understanding. It is not possible to apply the criterion of inspiration or of absolute truth in a mechanical way, extrapolating a single phrase or expression.”
Catholic News Service, May 2011
Mind blown!
I never realized the double standards!
Keep in mind that it only needs to be demonstrated that the belief in question was held in the early church. It is not necessary to show that it was that it be a universal teaching, or that there were not other contrary teachings at the time. After all, at one time Nestorianism was the majority opinion of the Church. So long as it can be shown the teaching was held by (at least some) early Christians, the burden of proof lies with those who assert said belief was pagan in origin or otherwise should not be held today.
No. The burden of proof is on you to prove your claims.
If your claim disagrees with or contradicts a revealed truth from the Word of God, then your claim, however fancy is a fanciful lie.
@@parrisroy *”The burden of proof is on you to prove your claims”*
If I claim the immaculate conception of Mary was believed in the Apostolic Church, and then I show documents from the Apostolic Church, I have met my burden of proof. If that disagrees with your interpretation of some scripture passage, that’s not my problem.
burning people at the stake doesn't sound Christian, Catholic maybe but not Christian.
@@sammygomes7381 Protestants killed many more than any Inquisition could ever hope for. This is a historical fact I invite you to look up.
The Spanish Inquisition, perhaps the deadliest one, killed 3000 over a span of 800 years. That's a handful a _decade._
Try to find numbers that low for the English Persecution of Catholics, including how they attempted to starve the Irish Catholics to death.
Or for the various German ones. Or Scandinavian. Protestantism's rise was fueled by hate, not devotion.
prots have been completely lost since the reformation and have been fed lies since. 30k protestant domination's and counting...show much for the unity Christ called for among his followers.
Unity is the belief in Christ not Christ, Mary, saints, and a pope.
@@sammygomes7381 Haha! Nah!
It’s a strange irony hearing the text to the hymn, “Give Me That Old-Time Religion,” and the part that reads, “It was good for Paul and Silas....” If only the author had known, and those that sing it could read the first and second century Fathers, whose writings we now have. Ignatius’ “Letter to Smyrnaeans” (AD 110) is a good place to start.
Will Trent Horn ever debate with an Orthodox Christian, Like Jay Dyer for example?
Magnus call into catholic answers and ask him
@@thunderdogs7238 I'm not from the U.S., so its pretty hard for me to do that :/
@@magnus8704 good idea. Make it happen.
@@el_jefe_007 Maybe orthodoxy vs Catholicism.
El Rey A good one for Trent Horn and Jay Dyer would be the papacy/magisterium. Although, I am more interested in a Thomist arguing against Jay Dyer in Palamism/energy-essence distinction.
This is all quite interesting. But I would wish for catholic (and other) apologets to win people more by love and humility than by arguing and pride. And, remind you, Trent is still one of the best, that is why I am here.
It wasn't long ago when these protestants, esp the fiercely anti-Catholics born agains, SDA, etc, even heard or if they did, deny the existence of the early fathers of the church. Now that they have become known, thanks to the testimonies of learned protestant converts, some of them claim that these early fathers belong to their cult! Incredible!
Yah.. Some even said they were forgeries.
@@Kitiwake Yes, very common ripost. How absurd and desperate...
42:42 - To be clear, the debate in question was not about the wearing of bow ties *in principle*, just over whether or not those who persist in wearing multicoloured bow ties were actively refusing to acknowledge the error of their ways.
Trent is an articulate ,well spoken Defender of the Faith...who can't cook a meal for his wife 😂 This is soo good
Hi I am a Messianic Jew (Evangelical Protestant Jew) Can you explain to me why the Pope has authority in your opinion?
The popes gave that authority to themselves.
Peter got authority from Christ. Peter passed that office down to successive Bishops of Rome.
@@gch8810 What authority did Peter get that none of the other apostles get?
@@sammygomes7381 Peter had primacy over the other apostles. This is seen in Christ telling Peter that he will build his church on Peter. No other apostle had this said about them in the way that Peter did.
@@gch8810 Peter had no such appointment. Christ is the rock which Peter acknowledged. Christ said, “and upon this rock,” in reference to the statement that Peter just made about Himself in which Peter said, “You are the Messiah (Christ), the Son of the living God.”
If one has a problem understanding this verse the word of God is clear in Ephesians 2:20 "having been built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,"
If one remembers in bible, the apostles argued among themselves who was greater which would have been the opportune time for Christ to name Peter, He did not.
In fact it was James, the brother of Christ, that led the council in Jerusalem, not Peter, not Paul. In fact, if you recall Paul had to admonish Peter.
Peter did not receive one thing that the apostles didn't receive in power.
this video really FANTASTIC !!!! PRAISE GOD
Thats interesting. I came to the video with the thought ''Oh what about Professor Pelikan'' and he just mentioned him in the beginning.
Ah yes. More ammunition in the box. God bless you.
About that person who died at 167 AD. Was he a prophet of God? How do we know he had a correct understanding?
The last prophet was St.John the apostle/evangelist
This is the first christian that makes me view the immaculate conception of Mary in a non strictly dogmatic but rather a historical perspective of the development of the dogma.
Impressive.
What immaculate conception?
Mary was conceived without sin, she was Saved through the merit of her son.
Adam and Eve was called man and woman before the fall , after they sin their name were changed to Adam and Eve. Jesus called Mary woman in the old and the New Testament because she was pure.
@@lailakoper3644 I guess that means the woman at the well living with a man that was not her husband was pure as Jesus called her woman also. The truth is woman was just what one said. Mary was just an everyday Jewish woman that God found favor with. She wasn't even righteous like God tells us others were in the bible. Every person God used in the bible was a sinner, even John the Baptist, whom Christ told us was greater than Mary.
I am an Evangelical Protestant that has been reading and studying Thomas Aquinas for 17 years. He does not "repudiate" Mary's sinlessness.
What is position on the Eucharist? Be honest.
I think the best way to define original sin is being born with the knowledge of shame, rather than guilt.
No, it means you're a sinner when born. You're a son of the snake as Genesis 3 says. People commit the sins because of what they are.
@@isaacleillhikar4566
Without giving me the filthy rags go to scripture, show where it says we are born children of satan.
@@isaacleillhikar4566
🤷🏽♀️ Sour grapes, scriptures say we are not born with guilt of fathers.
@@katiehav1209 No. But were satans children at birth. Thats what "your seed and the womans seed" means. Whos thé seed of the serpent ?
@@isaacleillhikar4566
Satan's seed is a choice by those who love darkness.
Coming to the light is a choice by those who love light.
Free will is neutral, otherwise it wouldn't be a choice of free will
Trent, report on Felicita and Perpetua martyrdom shows the first notion of the Purgatory.
I will get this book...😁 like now
Gmm
Sigh. RIP Borders.
Also, excellent presentation.
That hurt me a little 😭
Justo Martir shows how we celebrated the mass before vatican II.
and way before Trent...
Use automatic captioning Por favor
Protestants don't want truth. The want what makes them feel good.
That's way too general a claim to make. You shouldn't say that. I used to be Protestant and genuinely did want the truth. Thanks be to God, He gave it to me
Don't you think you're generalizing a bit? Known as "hasty generalization fallacy." You don't know peoples hearts. Only God does. Do you claim to be God? Smh
@@ea-tr1jh I was generalizing a lot. I meant Protestants in general, not all Protestants, and I should have said so.
@FaithHopeGrace Satan does hate the rosary and the Holy Eucharist. Whenever Communists, for instance, conquer new territory they go to the Catholic churches, break into the tabernacles, and urinate on, defecate on, or otherwise show contempt for the Communion Wafers stored there.
That Mary and the devil are opposed is shown in Genesis where it is prophesied that the devil will strike at Mary's heel but that she will crush his head.
They are running a money making business!!! They have to say what the seekers want to hear!!! They have to put on a show!!!
Augustine quote fail from James White vs Mitch Pacwa, S.J.?
Brant Pitre has a UA-cam talk on Purgatory and he shows/explains how Jesus references Purgatory in one of His parables.
Maybe I’m wrong, because I wasn’t given authority to judge one way or another, and I’m not saying that these debates between Catholic and Protestant disagreements are not worthy of debate, but for example, the debate over whether the Eucharist is indeed transformed literary into the Body & Blood of Christ or whether it’s practiced as a symbolic memorial of the last supper, I believe is irrelevant to our Salvation for what saves us, and though it’s important for at least what Christ told us to practice in the reminder of his Sacrifice, and so we should want to if given the opportunity as our duty. But for whatever reason we chose, or perhaps didn’t practice it at all, I don’t consider it detrimental for our Salvation, or even the thief on the cross could not have received it. And so what we believe for what truly saves us, I believe is very simple and what also unites us as members of God’s family, that even a child can understand. And I suspect it grieves the Lord that we argue about these things as children argue when we shouldn’t.
The Bible made me Catholic
no your unregenerate,unforgiven,unrepentant heart made you chose pagan catholicism
@@justjoe4260 Lying is a sin.
Judging is also a sin mate😭
Rule #1 is suspect to me. If you define certain terms the way you want to, you can "prove" that the church fathers taught whatever you're looking to support. It's like the scriptures themselves... many verses/passages can be manipulated into seeming to say many things, depending on how cleverly you define/re-define words. A word like "sacrifice" is an example... it's vague enough to leave plenty of room for you to shoe-horn anything you want in there...
Absolutely loved this talk!
How about you do a video on catholic distortions of the 12 apostles? And why every catholic doctrine denies what Jesus and the 12 taught?
Wisdom from God gives you words for us 🙏❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Sir. One of the papist said Martin Luther take a wife a sister of Pope's church sister, what is this woman name sir
Martin Luther married a former nun, Katharina Bora.
People should spend less time theorizing about God and more time praying to God.
Seeking His truth is love of God
WOW, what an EXCELLENT quote.
God is impossible to prove, he's only seen through faith
So funny, there's a guy in one of the UA-cam ads about water conservation who looks like Trent Horn's twin.
Excellent video. Thank you so much for sharing/
Starts at 2.54
Hi does anyone know if the baptism is important for salvation? Can you be saved if you’re not Catholic or
different denomination? but listen to God and help others.
I’m not sure if you are sincere, or looking for a debate. In good will I’m addressing the former.
There are many Bible verses dealing with the importance of baptism for salvation. Matthew 16:16 rsvce is just one.
However, God is not bound by the sacraments. Therefore God can ultimately save anyone He so chooses.
Since God is outside of space and time (the eternal now, or the eternal present) your prayers for the deceased can potentially act as a grace which may save the person - by giving them the grace when they most need it.
In addition, baptism by water is the normal and surest means. However, there is baptism by desire (example: St. Dismas, who was crucified next to Christ) and baptism by blood (think of the martyrs who died for the faith before receiving a water baptism).
Finally, St. Faustina was told by Jesus that every soul at the moment of death is asked three times if he/she loves Him. One need only say yes one of the times and may be saved. [paraphrased]
All things are possible with God. But why not join the actual church Christ founded... the Catholic Church, and receive the fullness of the faith and sacraments - the way it is intended?
Peace in Christ.
Disclaimer: the above explanation is not meant to be a full complete answer for all things related to baptism and salvation. See the Catholic catechism for the full answer.
@@G-MIP thanks for the info.
@@soliderofgod6527 In my opinion as a cradle Catholic, when a person dies there's a Particular Judgment for that person's soul and God will JUDGE that person FAIRLY and JUSTLY.
@@AJ_Jingco its church teaching
One needs to define baptism as many think it means only water. We can receive Christ without getting wet and we are baptized with the Holy Spirit. Yes, one can be saved without being Catholics and the odds are actually better. Many other denominations don't pay homage to Mary and other dead saints and pray only to God.
Didn't read all 514 comments to check if this has been noted below: whether Protestant trained pastors have been absorbed into the ranks of Orthodox priests or not, many Orthodox today tend towards these exact same misapplications of Patristic teachings to deny Catholic tenets. A few popular Orthodox priests (at least one identified as a theologian) on UA-cam commenting on Catholic teaching are easy examples. In many ways any one in clear schism is in a nutshell, 'protestant'.
There are many Christian denominations and churches: Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist, Baptist, Lutheran, and so on. Being a member of one doesn't determine whether a person is a Christian.
The real issue is whether the person individually has Jesus Christ living inside of him or her...if they actually have a personal relationship with God.
Thank you, Ben!! Roman's chapters 8 sums that up perfectly, brother; the Scriptures are ALWAYS RIGHT, no matter the dubious claims speculations,and guesswork of sinful,fallible,error-prone human beings! Here's my go-to verse dealing with ALL BIBLICAL ISSUES, Brother Ben: Proverbs chapter 3,verses 5-6...meditate on those, and God Bless you and yours!!! ☺️☺️☺️
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Your right Ben when you say there are many Christian denominations, about 40,000 to be be exact! But there is only one holy catholic and apostolic church established by Jesus Christ in 33 AD, which stood for 1500 yrs until one catholic priest decided to teach traditions of men that contradicted the word of God, that has created the many denominations, like Lutheran,Presbyterian, Methodist, Baptist etc, etc.
@@LDP-33 incorrect. The first church was in Jerusalem. It wasn't the Catholic Church
@@benmiddleton9984 Yes, is the same church that later became know as the Catholic Church.
@@elreyhats wrong. The first church in Jerusalem was not Catholic
Excellent video.
This is the bottom line: We have to love one another as Christ love the Israelites and Gentiles. Jesus came in this world for the sinners. Repentance is the key to salvation. Love one another for God is love.
Not for the lies and deception of misquoting church fathers and no scripture for Peter with title of Pope or holy father not even in his 2 epistles.for the lie the church was built on him only,he has only 2 epistles and he b
Never says he is the Pope or the rock of its foundation.
@@frederickanderson1860 When Jesus come, He will ask, " Do I still find faith on earth?" Luke 18:8
@@frederickanderson1860 1 Corinthians 13:1
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
@@frederickanderson1860 James 1:27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
@@frederickanderson1860John 6:53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
Why did you put the distracting LOUD music in the background? No need for that.....PLEASE!
Protestantism has removed Christ from the physical world and locked him in people's minds. Salvation depends on knowledge, not personal holiness. Faith is merely an intellectual assent or acknowledgement of what Christ has gained for us (justification by faith alone). Charity in God's grace doesn't lead to our salvation but is merely a sign of being saved by Christ's merits alone. What protestants hope for is merely a greater allotment of heavenly rewards rather than their salvation which is assured as long as they put their intellectual faith in Christ's external merits which are imputed to them despite their sinfulness. But Paul speaks of salvation in terms of three dimensional time: "have been saved", "being saved", and "our salvation is nearer now". Catholics do not believe that we must "work for" our salvation but rather in what Paul teaches: "We must 'work out' our salvation in fear and trembling." Justification or sanctification is progressive. Faith must be put into action for it to be saving faith. Intellectual assent must be informed by good works done in charity and grace. Otherwise, our faith is "dead" as James puts it.
The Catholic Church does not accept the Book of Enoch, even though it is quoted in the Bible. Just because Jews at the cross quoted Wis. does not mean it is canonical. Your example of Wis. being quoted is selective and disingenuous without mentioning Enoch,
It seems that so many interpretations of scripture is proof of the need for a teaching authority unwavering from the beginning. How can the Bible alone hold sway over our eternal future if there was not an obvious and visible guide to understanding it? The apostolic fathers responsible for the eventual cannon had to teach and uphold the truth the first few centuries before the Bible was fully established and over a millennium before the enlightenment. A loving God would not just give us a book to squabble over for 2000 years with so much at stake. That is why I face ‘Catholic or nothing’ when I consider what a proper understanding and response to Christ should look like. It is a little stressful, I admit.
FACTS:
#1--Christ NEVER taught that Peter is a pope.-(where is the title Pope in the Bible?)
#2--Christ NEVER taught that Mary will go to heaven. (Where does the bible say Mary will go/has gone to heaven?)
#3--Christ NEVER taught that Mary is a mediator/intercessor. (Where does the bible say Mary is a mediator?
#4--Christ NEVER taught that Mary never sinned. (Where in the bible does it state Mary never sinned?)
#5--Christ NEVER taught that Mary remained virgin. (Where in the bible does it state Mary remained a virgin?)
#6--Christ NEVER Taught that a mere man is head of His church. (Where is the Bible does it state a mere man is head of Christ's church?)
#7--Christ NEVER taught about a church named Catholic. (Where in the Bible is a church named Catholic mentioned?)
#8--Christ NEVER taught that we can pray to the dead.-(Where is the bible does it state we can pray to the dead?)
#9--Christ NEVER taught that the dead can hear our prayers. (Where in the bible does it state the dead can hear our prayers
#10--Christ NEVER taught that anyone can change the day of worship . (Where in the Bible does IT STATE GOD changed the day of worship to Sunday?)
#11--Christ NEVER taught to confess to a "priest". (Where in the Bible does it state we are to confess our sins to a Priest?)
#12--Christ NEVER Taught a priest can forgive your sins. (Where in the Bible does it state a priest can forgive our sins
#13--Christ NEVER taught salvation is through a church..(Where is the bible does it state our salvation comes from a church
#14--Christ NEVER taught to pray to, or with beads!!! (Where in the bile does it state we are to use/pray to beads?)
#15--Christ NEVER started a church named Catholic!!! (Where in the Bible does it mention a church named Catholic?)
#16--Christ never said to confess your sins to a priest.
The bottom line is, the Messiah kept the Law perfectly, and we are to walk as he walked according to the Scriptures at 1 John 2:4-6. Those who do not follow Messiah’s footsteps are workers of lawlessness according to the Messiah himself.
Kindly refute these FACTS with book, chapter and numbered verse FROM the Bible.
Answer however many as yoiu want!!! ONLY Book, chapter and number of the verse!!! No need to quote the verse or explain it!!!
Isaiah 8:20
To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no light.
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Galatians 3:24-25 (NKJV):
"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."
1 Corinthians 9:21 (NKJV)
"To those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law."
We are under the law of Christ, it is the law by which we will be judged not the old law.
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POPE BENEDICT XVI: While Catholic believe the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit and that it is true, “one cannot take individual biblical quotes or passages and say each one is literally true.”
“It is possible to understand the sacred Scriptures as the word of God only by looking at the Bible as a whole, a totality in which the individual elements enlighten each other and open the way to understanding. It is not possible to apply the criterion of inspiration or of absolute truth in a mechanical way, extrapolating a single phrase or expression.”
Catholic News Service, May 2011
great stuff.
At the end of the video regarding James' double standard
That's not a double standard.
It's not a double standard because you and James do not share the same standard of authority for your doctrine. James believes in Scripture alone, which means he does not have to find a church father who believes in eternal security in order for his standard to be met. You on the other hand hold other authorities outside of Scripture, such as tradition (or church history as I prefer to call it, I know there are differences in nuances there between the two though), so in critiquing your standard, he uses the early church fathers since that is, if it is tradition, another authority outside of Scripture that determines doctrine. But that's because that's your standard. That isnt James' standard. So it's not a double standard.
A student is given a book by a teacher to read, then a teacher using variety of techniques enables his student to understand the context, my question is, where did he/she get those techniques? My concern here's , our brothers&sisters of those 40,000+ denomination must understand that, before the book(Bible), the teachings were there, and even the Bible confirms, so it's our responsibility to enable them to understand those facts, to help their coming back to the root of A tangible Faith... God bless.
@@oswaldpancras8353 There was no book called the bible but the bible was very much present as what Christ and the apostles taught is what we now have in word. When one practices a jezebel type teaching, they should not worry too much of the other denominations as many of them teach the word of God. Facts are that Christ, and the apostles, didn't say mass, worship a eucharist, pray the rosary, pray to Mary or other dead saints.
It boggles the mind that this channel has only this number of subscribers.
I am a 67 year-old Catholic and go to daily mass a lot. I have noticed many billboards on the highway about religion/Christianity. The strange thing is that the Catholic billboards make me cringe, but when I see a billboard about Jesus (obviously non-Catholic) I get a warm feeling. Why do so many Catholic leaders only speak about "the Church"? Is it that difficult to simply point to Jesus? I think my observation and subsequent feelings are legitimate; yet I fear to tell a priest because my experience is they are not interested in anything that questions the Catholic way. I once brought a very benign question to a Catholic Deacon about why the Church was doing something, and he would not even respond...he just looked straight ahead like a statue. There is a hubris, IMO, in too many of our Catholic leaders, and it does not point to Christ; in fact, it points the other way.
I hope the reason I shared the latter is more obvious than I realize. But basically I was just wanting to show where the ecclesiology in history started to take a different perspective and become more individualistic.
You do know that the church IS the body of Christ?
@@Kitiwake And who is the head of the church? not pope.
Jesus Christ
John 14:6
Catholics are not about hype....all substance.
Pray for them brother and take a more active role. Build a relationship with your priest. Lay it down on confession. The Church is the bride of Christ, work it out like you work it out with your wife
PLEASE EXCUSE ME, BUT I'M AT A LOST...... I'M HEARING ABOUT 'SPECULATIONS'... ABOUT HISTORIANS ... ABOUT BOOKS..... About Mary being sinless, about purgatory..... IS THERE ANY "SCRIPTURE EVIDENCE OF ALL THIS?".....…. DOESN'T THE SCRIPTURE WEIGH IN ON ALL THIS? PLEASE, CAN SEE SCRIPTURE ON PURGATORY & ON MARY BEING SINLESS..... PLEASE... PLEASE... PLEASE....!!!!
Marty when Christ forgives us and gives us grace, we’re full of grace right?
Flick Em we have grace but not full of it
@Marty bad theology
Keep your eyes on Christ. Mary cannot save you and has nothing to do with your Salvation other than giving birth to Christ. Like all of us Mary was born with sin. There is no purgatory, sort of a "do over". Your destiny is complete at that last breath, you're saved, or you're not saved.
Lots of BS here. There is NO justification for masses, the eucharist, etc.
Okay... where's your evidence?
@@kev550D When did Christ or the apostles say mass?
@@sammygomes7381 Matt 26:26
@@kev550D You do know they were celebrating the Passover, not mass.
@@sammygomes7381 that would be odd. There's no pascal lamb?
Thank you. 👍
This is nonsense. These church fathers have been turned into God's. As Christians, Christ's teachings are what we follow. The teachings of his apostles in the Bible come second. The new testament church practices are also in scriptures. Any church father or individual who comes up with ideas against scriptures even if they lived 100 years after Christ should be discarded
Hmm... The truth is frightening, isn't it?
@@Kitiwake Stop projecting man. Face the point im making and stop trying to make out what's not there
@Prasanth Thomas Father's that lived more than 200 years after Jesus and the apostles. Yeah right. I prefer to hold on to what the real fathers the apostles taught and wrote about in the new testament
but, I guess, according to you, your beloved ego, your little god, has all authority to define what is biblical truth isn't it....??
Like the heretical doctrines of "Scripture alone" ,"faith alone" and "assurance of salvation" that were invented 1500 years after Christ?
If one is protestant then they follow Martin Luthers teaching, not Gods teaching!
The evidence from the New Testament simply does not support the existence of purgatory. In fact, the Biblical doctrine of Salvation eliminates the need for purgatory:
Our Salvation Isn’t Based On Our Good Works
According to the Biblical doctrine of Salvation, forgiveness is not based on the good works of the believer. For this reason, deeds or works performed for those in purgatory are both unnecessary and ineffectual:
Romans 3:21-24, 27-28
But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus… Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.
Romans 8:1
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering.
Careful,Ben...Don't overwhelm our Catholic friends with too much Scripture, at best they have an ambivalent relationship with Holy Writ,their claims about it notwithstanding . God bless you, Bro!! 😇😇😇
So what you're saying is that "Verily, verily, you won't have to pay to the last penny." The Gospel according to Jesus is irrelevant. Got it.
Lol.. Catholics have real difficulty believing Biblical interpretations by men 1500 years after Jesus estsblished His church on earth.
Reading scripture and listening to the Word of God is the easy bit, and Catholics manage that like many yourself and most other Christians ... but the interpretation of what it means that is the difficult bit. That is why there are differences between the Catholic and Protestant faiths .... or indeed why there are differences between the many thousands of Protestant faiths that have been established.
@@suburbanbanshee Not sure what you are talking about "verily verily etc" but the scriptures do not record Jesus telling the gospel to anybody. Jesus came to the Jews to call them to repentance. The gospel of salvation by grace was not available until after Jesus died and rose again and we have very little recorded of what Jesus said after His resurrection.
@@suburbanbanshee Paul gave us two thirds of the New Testament gospel. Not Jesus
If Mary was sinless did she then not die, for the wages of sin is death. If Mary was caused to be sinless, it HAD to be because of the (future) shed blood of Jesus Christ, right? PAUL spoke of original sin LONG BEFORE AUGUSTINE, when he wrote, "In Adam all are made sinners."
The orthodox church teaches that she fell asleep.
The catholic church doesn't teach ether but that she was assumed into heaven body and soul.
Ave Maria
Your first question -- Yes -- assumption of Mary.
second question -- Jesus was fully man and fully God. Jesus did not pretended to be human, he was fully human. Saying that there is no exception to the rule says that Jesus also had sinned, acdg to your logic.
@@seanfernandolopez9139 You DO believe in the sinlessness of Jesus, right?
@@seanfernandolopez9139 Why would Jesus have sin as sin is passed down through the male, Adam. Mary was not impregnated by a man, thus no sin for Christ, sin for Mary
@@Kitiwake Demonic teaching, Mary is not in heaven in the body.
This is fascinating. I'm a Baptist who went to seminary and was educated on most of the Protestant arguments (and Catholic answers) he describes here. One very old obstacle to Protestant acceptance of non-scriptural authority is the Jewish acceptance of Rabbinical writings. Protestants are not just distancing themselves from Catholics with sole-scriptura. On the subject of purgatory---it should be mentioned in any discussion that medieval popes sold "get out free" indulgences. So, the Church did at least for a time, portray purgatory as a place one was stuck.
That is a misunderstanding of what indulgences are and how they figure into the history of the Catholic Church.
@@isoldam then please enlighten us. If we have a misunderstanding, please take time to clear it up.
@@isoldam I suppose the pope having people burnt at the stake was a misunderstanding too?
@@sammygomes7381 I suppose that Calvin, Luther, and the Protestant rulers of England burning Catholics and people of other denominations at the stake was also a misunderstanding?
@@gch8810 Was no misunderstanding and they were not Christian by faith. I am sure they learned the practice from the pope,
Why is it called apologetics?
because they will have to apologize to God for misleading people.