I had this exact thought a few years back. Kreia uses the term "indignities" exactly twice in the whole game: to describe her fall, and while discussing Atton's... extracurricular activities as you mentioned. My thinking was that the word usage is deliberate. As to why, I believe that Sion is meant to have an Oedipal Complex with Kreia. Consider Kreia's relationship with Sion: she's his former and future master, and a person whom Sion is seemingly bent on both punishing and impressing. He describes her to the Exile like he would a harridan mother, who constantly berates him for his failures and whose words "crawl in [his] head." Hell, Sion itself is just a shortened version of Scion, which means "son" or descendant. It's probable that Kreia tried to use these feelings in order to control him, but it backfired, creating his hideously unhealthy obsession with her that culminated in... whatever he did. It also explains his interactions with the Exile: he's much more hostile towards the male Exile, seeing Kreia's fixation on the Exile as a repudiation of him. Sion was Kreia's first, flawed creation, and he reacted to her attempts to move beyond him by tearing down everything she tried to build so that all she would have left was him.
I can see where you are coming from. Sith practically worship the Dark side and Power. Rape is NOT a sexual act but a power act and Rape is one of the darkest forms of the dark side and power. So it is not out of character for a Sith to show power over others and yes Rape is a special form of evil
@@DeathScepter exactly. Rape, assault, even verbal harassment of a sexual nature is about dominance and humiliating the victim. I don’t know about the Oedipal stuff, I think Sion just wanted to put the nail in the coffin and overpower his master by belittling her in the most visceral way possible.
@@3mi3mi Keep in mind that Rape regardless of age is a dark side trait, same with sexual abuse regardless is same. Dark siders love to assert their dominance.
@@3mi3mi Again, this is my own interpretation, but like I said above "Sion" is just a shortened "scion". There's few coincidences in this game, and given his motivations I don't think it's a mistake that his name means son/firstborn son. While there's obvious parallels to Frankenstein's monster, the sexual aspect of his assault on Kreia (not to mention, Oedipus and Kreia are both blind by their own hand) made me think of Oedipus. If it were simply about him humbling Kreia in the worst way possible then Sion probably wouldn't be as obsessed with her as he was in the game, which happens some time afterwards, and he definitely wouldn't have gone back to her near the end. He clearly needs her acceptance and esteem, and tries to force it from her when they're not forthcoming.
@@A_Black_Sheep94wouldn't her plan work better by forming connections, so people have more reasons to try and live past the Force's era ? A UA-camr raised some good points.
I’ve never agreed with the idea these two did anything to her for several reasons. Firstly, Sion and Nihilus just don’t have those urges within them. Sion is literally a living corpse, and Nihilus doesn’t even have a body left. Secondly, Sion’s only goal was to prove Kreia wrong about him, it wasn’t to dominate her, it was to seek retribution for how she manipulated him. Preforming a sexual act against her will doesn’t accomplish that goal, and given he surrenders that control because she gives him a purpose once more, I can’t see that being a cause just from the fact that the guy is just in constant agony with a barely held together body. Thirdly, indignities can mean several things, but I think the indignities she speaks of are how they more than likely beat the shit out of her and tortured her before throwing her out. To Kreia being renounced by both Sith and Jedi, that would be an indignity, but I also understand that given how it is vague on what they used it’s meant for audience interpretation. For myself, Sion and Nihilus raping an elderly woman doesn’t add anything for me, it makes it disturbing and undermines the essence of what they are, and takes out enjoyment of the narrative for myself. But to each their own!
I don't know, the way Sion looks like Frollo from Hunchback of Nothre-Dame when talking to the Meetra. Both lasts for her, even tough they know they can't have her. One is a priest who hates the poor and "defected", while the other is a walking corpse who lives on anger. They also love power so what they want is more a lust of domination. Sex can be a tool of domination and a humiliation. It doesn't need to be explicit and some things are better left for the imagination, but Sion clearly lusts for the Exile and as he puts it "I hate you because you are beautiful to me", he might also add while he is at it like Frollo "If I can't have you, then no one can, so you will burn in hell for me". Also, Sion reminds me of certain group of people on the internet who don't know the difference between love and lust.
Your second point actually makes a lot of sense especially considering Kreia and Sion don’t battle at Malachor, instead Sion like a dog followers her orders once more. And this is very bizzare, why? Because Kreia is someone who lets trauma define her just like the other Sith Lords. If she really felt so disgusted by Sion, maybe she would of killed him on the spot, maybe by sending him to the Exile she already did. SA or not, I’m not sure Kreia would care, she does everything only for the Exile, even if it means sending the Exile through several hordes of sith. Still, you made a good point. But I can see Sion doing such a thing just because Kreia never gave him any attention or validation.
@@aleksapetrovic6519 well Sion is indeed the most powerful Simp Lord the internet as ever know. At this point i almost except the (eventual) KOTOR II Remake to have Sion giving all his life savings to the Exile so he could have the VIP subscription to HoloFans.
Just so you know, sexual violence, more often than not, is just about the latter - violence. Enforcement of your will and might toward the defenseless target. You said Sion is a living corpse, but he could have done the deed with the lightsaber's hilt, because it's not about the pleasure, or sex as a whole, it's about domination. This could happen, or not. Avellon was deliberately ambiguous about this.
@@Владислав-ы9м5у I totally agree. It was pretty heavily implied and that was my immediate thought when I first saw the cut scene. Sexual assault usually isn’t about arousal or feelings of attractiveness. It’s a way to humiliate and belittle someone. He beats her before hand, and makes her literally “powerless” by cutting her off from using the force.
By “indignities” I think she meant being such a powerful being in the force, and then having to suffer the indignity of being bested by her students, betrayed, beaten to a pulp, stripped of her connection to the force, and then basically exiled AGAIN from her own academy; these are all indignities. It doesn’t always have to have a sexual context and in my opinion too many people seem to want that to be the case which is the truly disturbing part in my eyes.
@@DarkLOREDash I say that because people read too much into it and refuse to accept that they are overthinking it. That’s why I said it’s almost like people want that to be the case because they’re reading way to much into it that it becomes their imagination.
@@DarkLOREDash he's not crusty lol it's A LOT worse than that he's a force zombie sion has been dead since before the war with Exar kun ended. Which in Kotor Jolee says was about 40yrs ago and kotor 2 is 5 years after that so he's been dead 45+ years.
@Blake Reed You could also argue that someone would not accept this as a theory simply because the topic is uncomfortable and they rather dismiss it entirely then consider it a possibility.
I don't think it's too far off, it's implied that something perverse happened while Scion held that female Jedi council member but it never really openly states it, only that he watches her with the same lust that an animal watches a mate or something along those lines.
A compelling argument, one that I wondered myself. However, I decided against it in favor of a more simple explanation. After being cast out and, presumably, dragged out of the Trayus Academy, left to die on the desolate and hellish surface of Malachor V... She had to navigate completely blind, survive by whatever skills she had beyond the Force, maybe even eat corpses, find a ship, repair it enough to launch, and fly back into the wider galaxy. All blind. All old. All without the Force. Depending upon mundane abilities that most Jedi and Sith sneer at, because of their dependency upon the Force. A dependency that Kreia herself was never able to fully overcome by her own admission. But that is my humble opinion.
In the Dune prequel trilogy (novels), Reverend Mother Mohiam was raped by a young Baron Vladimir Harkonnen. The story goes like this: Reverend Mohiam blackmailed the youthful (and very handsome) Baron Harkonnen into impregnating her (which he absolutely hated doing, because he was gay - sex with women revolted him). The resulting child was severely disabled, however, and Mohiam felt she had to kill it to prevent the possibility of it contaminating the bloodlines. So Mohiam had to go back to Baron Harkonnen and try to blackmail him again to conceive a second child. But the Baron was prepared for her this time, and managed to incapacitate her, so that she was physically completely helpless and at his mercy. In this condition, the Baron raped Mohiam, and enjoyed it. But Mohiam wasn’t entirely helpless. Reverend Mothers contain diseases within their bodies (in order to vaccinate themselves against them), and can manipulate the viruses and infect other people with them. So during the rape, she infected Baron Harkonnen with a horrible disease that gradually transformed his beautiful body into a hideous, bloated monstrosity.
@@timonsolus So he got angry at being forced to passionately hug someone he didn't like, so his revenge is to capture the person forcing him to passionately hug, and then passionately hug them anyway?
I think it's very plausible, because: When you really consider Sith philosophy and Star Wars lore regarding them, it's absolutely clear that in any sort if realistic setting, sexuality would have been involved in relation to them. However Star Wars was always meant for children, so this has always been avoided. The thing is, Chris Avellone's intention when writing KotOR II was to deconstruct the hell out of Star Wars. It is entirely possible and even expected, that the writers would include something like this.
One of them is probably 100 years old, second is a walking corpse and third is a wraith without body. I find it very unlikely that these three a physically capable to have any kind of sexual intercourse.
Both Sion, and Nihilius tortured her brutally and then cut her off the force. But remember that one survives on feeling pain, and other folwows up only his hunger Ps. If you are thinking about some connections to lust then forget it. Both of them lost these feelings long time ago.
@Sith Lord r@pe isn’t about lust it’s about power so it fits in exactly with what the Sith Lords were doing to Kreia. This is why anyone can be r@ped-men can be r@ped, conventionally unattractive people etc.
Would be cool to see a timeline video of what Kreia was doing during the Exar Kun wars, the Mandalorian Wars and the Jedi Civil War. That gap of time between Korriban being destroyed and looted and Kreia forming the Triumvirate has always been confusing to me, too. also anything KotOR :)
I believe by word of god (Chris Avalon) he implied that kreia was handmaidens mother who served under her former apprentice in the mandalrion wars, exiled before hand for her teachings and became a sith following revans fall. When she became a Sith Lord of knowledge and betrayal during the events of kotor (training both apprentices) to be exiled again in between games. Again Implied.
I didn’t even know the cut line in the Trayus Academy cutscene existed… i think we never stop learning about this game and it’s incredibly rich and complex story and lore. It’s so fascinating.
i respectfully disagree with this theory, Nihilus obviously can't do anything physically sexual given he doesn't even have a real body anymore since his own power has devoured it he's more like a ghost given form around his mask and robes and Sion i think is too deformed that even if he has genitals anymore given the state of the rest of his body "someone must have tried emasculating him in a fight before or he lost them due to an explosion ect" that i very much doubt "it's" functional...... indignities i think refers to the types of torture's she went through she was already stripped of her power, cast out, physically beaten, another thing they could have done was use the force to cause severe pain and essentially violate her mind like how she did to Atton in game "crawling around in my skull" but sexual assault i don't think is even physically possible in this case.....
In my most recent playthroughs I had this same thought. It's her delivery of "indignities" with Nihilis' imposing stance when they quickly cut away that immediately brought this to my mind. Who knows the extent or method of the assault but I do think it's implied. As for why, it's about power as you argue, as is almost always the case. Shame, fear, intimidation; to strip her of the force and her basic human dignity. This wasn't merely a case of the Sith order of two being played out. It was an outright rejection of her leadership and teaching. And I do think the possibility of her experiencing something like that makes Kreia more complex as a character. By the end, I (the exile) hate her for how she betrayed and used me. I hate her for being two faced. But I also sympathize as someone who had been cast down and shamed for doing what I thought was right. And I feel compassion for how she was abused and assaulted even if she was a Sith Lord. It makes the whole situation that much more grey. While it's tragic and controversial, I think it's definitely implied in how that scene is presented and then how she spoke and acted throughout the game.
I can see where you are coming from, but it is a massive stretch (IMO). This theory heavily relies on the association between the same word in different contexts. The definition of "Indiginites" allows for the use to be appropriate in both situations but mean completely different things. Now when comparing New Vegas to Kotor: TSL they are dealing with completely different themes. So I would be hesitant to say because they(the writers) wrote more risque material for one that would imply it has to be present in Kotor: TSL. To really get to the bottom of this one would have to ask Chris Avellone (Lead writer) what was implied. When attributing content to companies it would be far more accurate to attribute the content to the lead writer and not the company. Chris was writing for New Vegas as well, so that would lead credence to the idea of comparison between the two games. Kotor: TSL is one of my favorite games and therefore I appreciate any new content that relates to it. So even if I disagreed, I still very much enjoyed your video.
I suspect you're right, but as a woman watching the scene with her face being grabbed was already quite an indignity. Personally, I'd prefer SW to stray from that topic, as it is something already very difficult to face in my community and friendships
Oh yeah! Have you seen Anna That Star Wars Girl play this? she just finished her second playthrough, this time as a Sith. She is obsessed, of course. Best Star Wars game ever.
i'm not sure if this is confirm or not but their was a rumor about the exile - much like that of Rey in the sequels, the exile had a force ability of attraction, in fact I believe Kiera mentions it in game, this ability attracts anyone to the exile willingly as is somewhat dangerous to the person who is a victims to her abilities. once again it is unconfirm but I did hear something about this, reason why most people on her ship wanted to be with her so badly.
The dark side would never allow it. Turning one defeated foe into an apprentice is one thing, but there is also strength to be gained in killing a rival. Especially one of the dark side. Nihilus was a void in the force, Sion was a raw nerve. Neither contained the strength required to withstand the wound left by the Exile, let alone learn from it. No, Sion and Nihilus had to die. Why select apprentices already broken by the force and their flaws, when you have a ship full of apprentices to choose from? I think Bane was right, the Rule of two is the only way to retain the purity of the Sith teachings. And to guarantee that power stays where it belongs.
This is a very interesting theory, one i had not thought of, altho i dont love the sequels it does make me think of the similar theme in the force awakens. Meaning if sion "loved" kreia, he would see that as weakness and try to destroy that "love" any way he could including such...indignities
This is so sad kraia is my ultimate star wars charecter loved her since day 1 playing kotor 2 as a child the way she spoke captivated me and actually was one of the reasons I went into mental health work funnily enough the thought this happned to her is vial but makes you realise why she was so bent on destroying the very thing that held those beasts together wouldn't you if you had the power the ultimate revenge
The theory is definitely interesting, but it has absolutely nothing to do with reality. There is such a literary device "rape is the worst of evils." And this is, perhaps, a really unpleasant and traumatic part of the biography of almost any character. But the problem is that sometimes fandoms are very fond of thinking about "who was raped in captivity." For example, my favorite Silmarillion, where there is actually an approved fanon that Maedhros was subjected to this kind of ... humiliation in captivity. But back to Crea. No, I don't think that sex played any important role in her life. This is the same reason why I hardly believe that she was Brianna's mother - she is too contemptuous of such simple things, and even in her love for the Exile she does not show any motherly notes, only strict teacher pride in her student. Zion's understanding of beauty lies not in sex, but in aesthetics. The exile for him is not a beautiful man or woman - but a certain representative of those teachings and forces that are inaccessible to Zion. At first he despises them, then he fears them, and in the end he accepts them, finding liberation in them. As for Atton, this is a mere coincidence. As I said, Kreia is contemptuous of the life of ordinary people, to such simple things as sex and debauchery. Etton clearly knows a lot about this, and their conflict is based on this.
But she blinded herself, in realising that base human instincts can disable someone and that being handicapped can even enable someone. She mentions this in other dialogue trees. If General Yusanis and Kreia’s relationship was something born out of lust, then this makes perfect sense, since Kreia is someone who lets her traumas define her. Her exile from the Jedi Order was something that did heavily affect her and apply changes to her lifestyle as well as her beliefs. Blinding herself would be one way of repentance for her affair and exile, as would training the Exile would be repentance for all the Jedi she has eradicated.
And if you think about it, her exile with Nihilus and Sion is a parallel to the Exile's, it's just different on the approach. One is as brutal and crude as you would expect with the Sith and one is subtle and manipulative like you would expect with the Jedi. I find it awesome that both have to go through the same instance of being abandoned and cast out, and yet are so different
I did play with Jolee always on my band i respected and liked him but tought him as boring old man, but he had the force. Then i had Kreaia always in my party and for her i tought the same, respect and liked but boring old lady Now i can truly understand the Dark Side to do something like this makes me angry i can feel like my party member got sexually assaulted for sake of evil darkside, Kreaia is not sexually attractive to me because of old age
In a late night, drunken discussion once, we talked about how certain force powers could be used or abused creatively. Force Choke targets the larynx in humans, but couldn't you just choke or squeeze something else? Vader: "I find your lack of faith disturbing" [Motti doubles over in pain and collapses to the floor holding his groin] Motti: (indiscernable high pitched whimpering) [grotest crackling sound] Tarkin: "Vader! Enough! Release him" Vader: "As you wish" The point is, there are probably lots of variations on Force powers that might be used if one had no compunction limiting you.
First: love this channel Second: love kreia even more This is hardly possible 1. For the force anything is possible so for sion to do (that) is very difficult torture is limitless for those who can do anything with the force from lighting to mental attacks and curses etc... 2. Sion is basically uncapable of experiencing any form of joy even if just for one second so that sort of attack is not possible real life assalters have the desire for self enjoyment to see their victim suffering. 3.sion physical body was murdered hundreds of times its cracking open the parts where the cracks are visible are dust so i highly doubt that his essencial organs are still there probably the force can revitalize those but lets be real he is too far gone and in order for that to happen sion would need the correct rituals to restore those parts so No.
I don’t play sci fi games… so I haven’t seen this before. Damn! This writing is good. Which makes it a mastercraft compares by today’s garbage. There is nothing that is black and white here, which is great.
Kreia was a dark jedi and betrayed all of us even me her student that she loved so much how could she do this to me the one closest to her i was the one dhe loved more then herself i hated to see her suffer at their hands she deserved better ❤❤❤❤❤i loved kreaia and i will always love her as a teacher and a best friend ❤❤❤❤❤but betrayal is something i hate that the force seems to have a will so i stayed exiled until now im coming out of this trap and i will never be used again ❤❤❤❤❤ trayas academy a dark lord of the sith she was in deed! So i should have left her along tie ago but that was a pain ill never forget ❤❤❤❤with love and respect traya im coming back soon to the order under a different name Angelique Flay! I will do what i needed to do long ago kreia i told you then what i had plans to do with the lightside and i am a beacon for someone else as well one i loved very dearly you all had him killed by the sith....i loved him kreia and that was trask they killed the man i loved dearly ❤❤❤❤❤❤But i have grown past that it was nearly 5 years ago but i loved him dearly and rhat is the magnitude of your choiches and Bastilia shens as well ❤❤❤we will meet again i promise you that my dear but for now goodbye and have a wonderful day!!!! But i hope whoever did this to trask gets the same in return!!! Angelique Flay
I always assumed that was what they were implying but worded it that way to keep a T rating. As for why, Nihilus ans Sion probably did it to show just how powerless they'd rendered her.
I suspect it wasn't sexual in nature ,and more to do with breaking her spirit,force welders biggest weakness is there concentration,break that for good ,and they're done,
Yeah, I think the indignity may just be losing the force. It’s how she was stripped of the force, so it was clearly a traumatic moment for Kreia but perhaps not actually sexual. Losing the force must be quite humiliating and traumatic at first, but Kreia actually admired those who are able to turn away from the force.
So if Sion allegedely could inflict 'indignities' does he also like take a shit from time to time? Did Palpatine had a toilet? What about Yoda? These are really the questions no one asks
idk... could be. what obsidians true intent was we will never know but it definitely can be taken the way you lay out. it makes me wonder though. if lucasarts wasnt up against deadlines for the release of the game and other problems going on at the time and the game wasnt as rushed and had a longer dev cycle... would this have made it past lucasarts if they had time to review the game as they normally would? lucasarts wasnt as controlling as the story group is but they did have oversight and this seems like something they would have wanted cleaned up if they had noticed it.
Nihilus wouldn't be interested in any thing sexual and judging by the state of sions body I don't think he has the facilities for that... that's why he is so angry all the time
I disagree with your claim that Star Wars shies away from controversial topics. Remember that Slavery was an issue is episode 1, Leia was basically a sex slave in RotJ, the implied sex scene in KotOR 1 at the end of Bastila's romance arc with the male character, a side arc in the Fate of the Jedi books dealing with groups trying to abolish slavery, or even the entirety of Yuuzhan Vong culture. All that aside, I love this game, and you just explained a large portion of why.
I don't think that was what was meant. It is the indignity of being dominated by another. That can be with sexual violence, physical violence, or psychological violence. The indignities are an analogue for a traumatic response to helplessness and/or forced subordination. The medium of domination in this instance is arbitrary; the character is written to work on less specific levels to encompass a wider range of human experience. If it were sexual I'm confident the writers had the ability to more clearly express that while keeping the T rating. If it were sexual, what would it add to her character? What would it add to the narrative or plot? Very little.
Let's go creepier thank you for teaching me about The Dark Side i am IRL Darth Vader i am finnish we have unique finn genoms that cause unique diseases it is good thing world medicine studies us since we are isolated small group so dont feel sorry this is a good thing. I have unknown eye disease caused by natural product astaxanthin my right eye becomes sore due light and concentration, i have darkened lenses and parachute trooper goggles and i adjust the level of protection needed but i do really feel - I want to see you with my own eyes Luke I am a christian so spiritual do not take me literally i wont sexually assault women but i got angry for hearing it and it totally makes sense for lore
Interesting angle. One of these companies needs to hire you as some kind of writer or advisor Dash. Modern games lack depth. The tech is there, the depth is absent AF.
I find it very telling that commenters here are getting angry about this interpretation of Kreia's indignties. Star Wars was for kids. Star Wars is for kids again, and not in a good way, courtesy of disney. If you like your stories sterile and you childhood put on a pedestal, you can pretend indignities doesn't have connotations, especially given how Kreia uses the word. But don't get upset when others who also grew up with Star Wars see things differently to you. I like this more human, more messy version of Star Wars; I like it because it explores the worst and the best of the human condition. I've been a lifelong fan of Obsidian games, they too excel at deconstruction and reconstruction of genres and continue to do so masterfully. If exploring how force users, especially the sith, can be both awful and awfully human isn't for you, don't interpret the game that way, problem solved.
I mean, just because someone’s old doesn’t mean this stuff can’t happen, and further more, age / older doesn’t mean someone still can’t be attractive or sexual. You act like being older means men or women suddenly become ugly monsters who can’t possibly have sex or be seen as attractive. That’s ageist and society’s brainwashing showing
This is Star Wars. Not SVU. I wanted to learn alittle about a world like middle earth. Not listen to some boy ramble on about sexual assault. Who ever made this deserves to fail.
I had this exact thought a few years back. Kreia uses the term "indignities" exactly twice in the whole game: to describe her fall, and while discussing Atton's... extracurricular activities as you mentioned. My thinking was that the word usage is deliberate.
As to why, I believe that Sion is meant to have an Oedipal Complex with Kreia. Consider Kreia's relationship with Sion: she's his former and future master, and a person whom Sion is seemingly bent on both punishing and impressing. He describes her to the Exile like he would a harridan mother, who constantly berates him for his failures and whose words "crawl in [his] head." Hell, Sion itself is just a shortened version of Scion, which means "son" or descendant.
It's probable that Kreia tried to use these feelings in order to control him, but it backfired, creating his hideously unhealthy obsession with her that culminated in... whatever he did. It also explains his interactions with the Exile: he's much more hostile towards the male Exile, seeing Kreia's fixation on the Exile as a repudiation of him. Sion was Kreia's first, flawed creation, and he reacted to her attempts to move beyond him by tearing down everything she tried to build so that all she would have left was him.
I can see where you are coming from. Sith practically worship the Dark side and Power. Rape is NOT a sexual act but a power act and Rape is one of the darkest forms of the dark side and power. So it is not out of character for a Sith to show power over others and yes Rape is a special form of evil
@@DeathScepter exactly. Rape, assault, even verbal harassment of a sexual nature is about dominance and humiliating the victim. I don’t know about the Oedipal stuff, I think Sion just wanted to put the nail in the coffin and overpower his master by belittling her in the most visceral way possible.
@@3mi3mi Keep in mind that Rape regardless of age is a dark side trait, same with sexual abuse regardless is same. Dark siders love to assert their dominance.
@@DeathScepter that should be obvious.
@@3mi3mi Again, this is my own interpretation, but like I said above "Sion" is just a shortened "scion". There's few coincidences in this game, and given his motivations I don't think it's a mistake that his name means son/firstborn son. While there's obvious parallels to Frankenstein's monster, the sexual aspect of his assault on Kreia (not to mention, Oedipus and Kreia are both blind by their own hand) made me think of Oedipus.
If it were simply about him humbling Kreia in the worst way possible then Sion probably wouldn't be as obsessed with her as he was in the game, which happens some time afterwards, and he definitely wouldn't have gone back to her near the end. He clearly needs her acceptance and esteem, and tries to force it from her when they're not forthcoming.
The most recent time I replayed Kotor 2 I actually kind of wanted to go through with Kreia's plan.
Me too 🤣
You'd have to go with a perfect neutral run and not gain bonds with anyone but Kreia. Would be very boring.
@@A_Black_Sheep94wouldn't her plan work better by forming connections, so people have more reasons to try and live past the Force's era ? A UA-camr raised some good points.
@@JabamiLain She doesn't want you to form bonds with anyone causd they influence you.
I’ve never agreed with the idea these two did anything to her for several reasons. Firstly, Sion and Nihilus just don’t have those urges within them. Sion is literally a living corpse, and Nihilus doesn’t even have a body left. Secondly, Sion’s only goal was to prove Kreia wrong about him, it wasn’t to dominate her, it was to seek retribution for how she manipulated him. Preforming a sexual act against her will doesn’t accomplish that goal, and given he surrenders that control because she gives him a purpose once more, I can’t see that being a cause just from the fact that the guy is just in constant agony with a barely held together body. Thirdly, indignities can mean several things, but I think the indignities she speaks of are how they more than likely beat the shit out of her and tortured her before throwing her out. To Kreia being renounced by both Sith and Jedi, that would be an indignity, but I also understand that given how it is vague on what they used it’s meant for audience interpretation. For myself, Sion and Nihilus raping an elderly woman doesn’t add anything for me, it makes it disturbing and undermines the essence of what they are, and takes out enjoyment of the narrative for myself. But to each their own!
I don't know, the way Sion looks like Frollo from Hunchback of Nothre-Dame when talking to the Meetra. Both lasts for her, even tough they know they can't have her. One is a priest who hates the poor and "defected", while the other is a walking corpse who lives on anger. They also love power so what they want is more a lust of domination. Sex can be a tool of domination and a humiliation. It doesn't need to be explicit and some things are better left for the imagination, but Sion clearly lusts for the Exile and as he puts it "I hate you because you are beautiful to me", he might also add while he is at it like Frollo "If I can't have you, then no one can, so you will burn in hell for me".
Also, Sion reminds me of certain group of people on the internet who don't know the difference between love and lust.
Your second point actually makes a lot of sense especially considering Kreia and Sion don’t battle at Malachor, instead Sion like a dog followers her orders once more. And this is very bizzare, why? Because Kreia is someone who lets trauma define her just like the other Sith Lords. If she really felt so disgusted by Sion, maybe she would of killed him on the spot, maybe by sending him to the Exile she already did. SA or not, I’m not sure Kreia would care, she does everything only for the Exile, even if it means sending the Exile through several hordes of sith. Still, you made a good point. But I can see Sion doing such a thing just because Kreia never gave him any attention or validation.
@@aleksapetrovic6519 well Sion is indeed the most powerful Simp Lord the internet as ever know.
At this point i almost except the (eventual) KOTOR II Remake to have Sion giving all his life savings to the Exile so he could have the VIP subscription to HoloFans.
Just so you know, sexual violence, more often than not, is just about the latter - violence. Enforcement of your will and might toward the defenseless target.
You said Sion is a living corpse, but he could have done the deed with the lightsaber's hilt, because it's not about the pleasure, or sex as a whole, it's about domination.
This could happen, or not. Avellon was deliberately ambiguous about this.
@@Владислав-ы9м5у I totally agree. It was pretty heavily implied and that was my immediate thought when I first saw the cut scene. Sexual assault usually isn’t about arousal or feelings of attractiveness. It’s a way to humiliate and belittle someone. He beats her before hand, and makes her literally “powerless” by cutting her off from using the force.
By “indignities” I think she meant being such a powerful being in the force, and then having to suffer the indignity of being bested by her students, betrayed, beaten to a pulp, stripped of her connection to the force, and then basically exiled AGAIN from her own academy; these are all indignities. It doesn’t always have to have a sexual context and in my opinion too many people seem to want that to be the case which is the truly disturbing part in my eyes.
Why would I want an 80 year old badass to be sexualky ravaged by a crusty lunatic.
@@DarkLOREDash I say that because people read too much into it and refuse to accept that they are overthinking it. That’s why I said it’s almost like people want that to be the case because they’re reading way to much into it that it becomes their imagination.
@@DarkLOREDash he's not crusty lol it's A LOT worse than that he's a force zombie sion has been dead since before the war with Exar kun ended. Which in Kotor Jolee says was about 40yrs ago and kotor 2 is 5 years after that so he's been dead 45+ years.
@@blakereed1654 spoiler alert the whole of star wars is imagination, doesnt mean its not a valid theory🤣
@Blake Reed You could also argue that someone would not accept this as a theory simply because the topic is uncomfortable and they rather dismiss it entirely then consider it a possibility.
I don't think it's too far off, it's implied that something perverse happened while Scion held that female Jedi council member but it never really openly states it, only that he watches her with the same lust that an animal watches a mate or something along those lines.
What? I have to know, was this cut content?
Man, I miss the old Star Wars, the real Star Wars.
Truth
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Before the dark times...
@@nightwalker174 Before Disney...
A compelling argument, one that I wondered myself. However, I decided against it in favor of a more simple explanation. After being cast out and, presumably, dragged out of the Trayus Academy, left to die on the desolate and hellish surface of Malachor V... She had to navigate completely blind, survive by whatever skills she had beyond the Force, maybe even eat corpses, find a ship, repair it enough to launch, and fly back into the wider galaxy. All blind. All old. All without the Force. Depending upon mundane abilities that most Jedi and Sith sneer at, because of their dependency upon the Force. A dependency that Kreia herself was never able to fully overcome by her own admission. But that is my humble opinion.
Has anyone else noticed similarities between the Reverend Mother Mohiam(from dune) and Kreia?
Actually yes, i bet the devs based her off of her. I feel like Kreia is much better witch character though.
@@asiblingproduction Kreia's whole idea of Jedi being stronger without the force is very similar to the Butlerian Jihad that took place in Dune.
In the Dune prequel trilogy (novels), Reverend Mother Mohiam was raped by a young Baron Vladimir Harkonnen.
The story goes like this:
Reverend Mohiam blackmailed the youthful (and very handsome) Baron Harkonnen into impregnating her (which he absolutely hated doing, because he was gay - sex with women revolted him). The resulting child was severely disabled, however, and Mohiam felt she had to kill it to prevent the possibility of it contaminating the bloodlines.
So Mohiam had to go back to Baron Harkonnen and try to blackmail him again to conceive a second child. But the Baron was prepared for her this time, and managed to incapacitate her, so that she was physically completely helpless and at his mercy. In this condition, the Baron raped Mohiam, and enjoyed it.
But Mohiam wasn’t entirely helpless. Reverend Mothers contain diseases within their bodies (in order to vaccinate themselves against them), and can manipulate the viruses and infect other people with them. So during the rape, she infected Baron Harkonnen with a horrible disease that gradually transformed his beautiful body into a hideous, bloated monstrosity.
@@timonsolus
So he got angry at being forced to passionately hug someone he didn't like, so his revenge is to capture the person forcing him to passionately hug, and then passionately hug them anyway?
@@ProcyonDei : Believe me, they went a lot further than just hugging - but essentially, yes that’s correct.
I think it's very plausible, because: When you really consider Sith philosophy and Star Wars lore regarding them, it's absolutely clear that in any sort if realistic setting, sexuality would have been involved in relation to them. However Star Wars was always meant for children, so this has always been avoided. The thing is, Chris Avellone's intention when writing KotOR II was to deconstruct the hell out of Star Wars. It is entirely possible and even expected, that the writers would include something like this.
One of them is probably 100 years old, second is a walking corpse and third is a wraith without body. I find it very unlikely that these three a physically capable to have any kind of sexual intercourse.
Both Sion, and Nihilius tortured her brutally and then cut her off the force. But remember that one survives on feeling pain, and other folwows up only his hunger
Ps. If you are thinking about some connections to lust then forget it. Both of them lost these feelings long time ago.
Right? Sion's peepee fell off a while back, and Nihilus doesn't even have a body to begin with...
Arren Kae is pretty hot though...
@Sith Lord r@pe isn’t about lust it’s about power so it fits in exactly with what the Sith Lords were doing to Kreia. This is why anyone can be r@ped-men can be r@ped, conventionally unattractive people etc.
@@comebackkid44723 it is about both
Darth Nihlus was such a badass…I replayed this game too many times to count from its launch back in 2004 😂 😂 when are they remastering it dammit 😂
A Sith version of Mickey Mouse is... badass?
@@TV-jn4dh bruh what?
@@TV-jn4dh WTF?!
@@TV-jn4dh get out
@@TV-jn4dh 🙄
I don't like such things but I can see it. These are Sith after all. They probably tortured her in all manners.
Would be cool to see a timeline video of what Kreia was doing during the Exar Kun wars, the Mandalorian Wars and the Jedi Civil War. That gap of time between Korriban being destroyed and looted and Kreia forming the Triumvirate has always been confusing to me, too.
also anything KotOR :)
I believe by word of god (Chris Avalon) he implied that kreia was handmaidens mother who served under her former apprentice in the mandalrion wars, exiled before hand for her teachings and became a sith following revans fall. When she became a Sith Lord of knowledge and betrayal during the events of kotor (training both apprentices) to be exiled again in between games. Again Implied.
wait kreia was around during that time
Never would have thought that... but then watching it back and hearing you talk about it... yeah, yeah for sure. Crazy! Gotta replay KOTOR 2
I didn’t even know the cut line in the Trayus Academy cutscene existed… i think we never stop learning about this game and it’s incredibly rich and complex story and lore. It’s so fascinating.
i respectfully disagree with this theory, Nihilus obviously can't do anything physically sexual given he doesn't even have a real body anymore since his own power has devoured it he's more like a ghost given form around his mask and robes and Sion i think is too deformed that even if he has genitals anymore given the state of the rest of his body "someone must have tried emasculating him in a fight before or he lost them due to an explosion ect" that i very much doubt "it's" functional......
indignities i think refers to the types of torture's she went through she was already stripped of her power, cast out, physically beaten, another thing they could have done was use the force to cause severe pain and essentially violate her mind like how she did to Atton in game "crawling around in my skull" but sexual assault i don't think is even physically possible in this case.....
There's no need to be respectful about it the guy kind of made himself seem like an idiot about Star wars no less
Finally! So much Diablo lately, I almost forgot about your awesome SW content 😀😃
Hey man, as a Kotor fan I know you'll love my fan film "NIHILUS: FALL OF KATARR"
I went and watched it, very cool :)
@@andreycr6637 Thanks mate!
That was an awesome fan film, yes.
In my most recent playthroughs I had this same thought. It's her delivery of "indignities" with Nihilis' imposing stance when they quickly cut away that immediately brought this to my mind. Who knows the extent or method of the assault but I do think it's implied. As for why, it's about power as you argue, as is almost always the case. Shame, fear, intimidation; to strip her of the force and her basic human dignity. This wasn't merely a case of the Sith order of two being played out. It was an outright rejection of her leadership and teaching.
And I do think the possibility of her experiencing something like that makes Kreia more complex as a character. By the end, I (the exile) hate her for how she betrayed and used me. I hate her for being two faced. But I also sympathize as someone who had been cast down and shamed for doing what I thought was right. And I feel compassion for how she was abused and assaulted even if she was a Sith Lord. It makes the whole situation that much more grey.
While it's tragic and controversial, I think it's definitely implied in how that scene is presented and then how she spoke and acted throughout the game.
Jolee Bindo as a character 10
Dialogue 10
Voice acting 10
I can see where you are coming from, but it is a massive stretch (IMO). This theory heavily relies on the association between the same word in different contexts. The definition of "Indiginites" allows for the use to be appropriate in both situations but mean completely different things.
Now when comparing New Vegas to Kotor: TSL they are dealing with completely different themes. So I would be hesitant to say because they(the writers) wrote more risque material for one that would imply it has to be present in Kotor: TSL.
To really get to the bottom of this one would have to ask Chris Avellone (Lead writer) what was implied. When attributing content to companies it would be far more accurate to attribute the content to the lead writer and not the company. Chris was writing for New Vegas as well, so that would lead credence to the idea of comparison between the two games.
Kotor: TSL is one of my favorite games and therefore I appreciate any new content that relates to it. So even if I disagreed, I still very much enjoyed your video.
Considering what Chris is facing now, he wouldnt touch the topic with a 10-foot pole lol
@@anthonyduguay8989 an implication would not warrant an M rating
I suspect you're right, but as a woman watching the scene with her face being grabbed was already quite an indignity.
Personally, I'd prefer SW to stray from that topic, as it is something already very difficult to face in my community and friendships
Yeah.... Star wars is star wars, it shouldn't have this kind of content
Oh yeah! Have you seen Anna That Star Wars Girl play this? she just finished her second playthrough, this time as a Sith. She is obsessed, of course. Best Star Wars game ever.
I have not, but makes sense!
Even a toaster can run it, so why watch someone else play it?
i'm not sure if this is confirm or not but their was a rumor about the exile - much like that of Rey in the sequels, the exile had a force ability of attraction, in fact I believe Kiera mentions it in game, this ability attracts anyone to the exile willingly as is somewhat dangerous to the person who is a victims to her abilities.
once again it is unconfirm but I did hear something about this, reason why most people on her ship wanted to be with her so badly.
That power is a major plot point and is the basis for the endgame.
being hot but make it a superpower
I love when this channel makes vids about star wars!
Me too & thank you!!
I wish there was a possible ending where you and kreia team up and kill the force. Or, you recruit scion and nihilis
The dark side would never allow it. Turning one defeated foe into an apprentice is one thing, but there is also strength to be gained in killing a rival. Especially one of the dark side. Nihilus was a void in the force, Sion was a raw nerve. Neither contained the strength required to withstand the wound left by the Exile, let alone learn from it. No, Sion and Nihilus had to die. Why select apprentices already broken by the force and their flaws, when you have a ship full of apprentices to choose from?
I think Bane was right, the Rule of two is the only way to retain the purity of the Sith teachings. And to guarantee that power stays where it belongs.
This is a very interesting theory, one i had not thought of, altho i dont love the sequels it does make me think of the similar theme in the force awakens. Meaning if sion "loved" kreia, he would see that as weakness and try to destroy that "love" any way he could including such...indignities
Keep up the great content, Dash!
Old republic is peak star wars.
I can't help but feel sorry for her I hope she comes back in a movie or tv spot in the future
Id love to see Kreia on the big screen
Its up to Kathleen Kennedy if she wants to do this.
This is so sad kraia is my ultimate star wars charecter loved her since day 1 playing kotor 2 as a child the way she spoke captivated me and actually was one of the reasons I went into mental health work funnily enough the thought this happned to her is vial but makes you realise why she was so bent on destroying the very thing that held those beasts together wouldn't you if you had the power the ultimate revenge
the only indignants she suffered was being cast down and stripped of power i think
Honestly why wouldn’t you want a lightsaber
The theory is definitely interesting, but it has absolutely nothing to do with reality. There is such a literary device "rape is the worst of evils." And this is, perhaps, a really unpleasant and traumatic part of the biography of almost any character. But the problem is that sometimes fandoms are very fond of thinking about "who was raped in captivity." For example, my favorite Silmarillion, where there is actually an approved fanon that Maedhros was subjected to this kind of ... humiliation in captivity.
But back to Crea. No, I don't think that sex played any important role in her life. This is the same reason why I hardly believe that she was Brianna's mother - she is too contemptuous of such simple things, and even in her love for the Exile she does not show any motherly notes, only strict teacher pride in her student.
Zion's understanding of beauty lies not in sex, but in aesthetics. The exile for him is not a beautiful man or woman - but a certain representative of those teachings and forces that are inaccessible to Zion. At first he despises them, then he fears them, and in the end he accepts them, finding liberation in them.
As for Atton, this is a mere coincidence. As I said, Kreia is contemptuous of the life of ordinary people, to such simple things as sex and debauchery. Etton clearly knows a lot about this, and their conflict is based on this.
But she blinded herself, in realising that base human instincts can disable someone and that being handicapped can even enable someone. She mentions this in other dialogue trees.
If General Yusanis and Kreia’s relationship was something born out of lust, then this makes perfect sense, since Kreia is someone who lets her traumas define her. Her exile from the Jedi Order was something that did heavily affect her and apply changes to her lifestyle as well as her beliefs. Blinding herself would be one way of repentance for her affair and exile, as would training the Exile would be repentance for all the Jedi she has eradicated.
Well done!
And if you think about it, her exile with Nihilus and Sion is a parallel to the Exile's, it's just different on the approach. One is as brutal and crude as you would expect with the Sith and one is subtle and manipulative like you would expect with the Jedi. I find it awesome that both have to go through the same instance of being abandoned and cast out, and yet are so different
It was never the first thing on my mind when she says that she suffered indignities. But it was there, scratching at the back of my skull
I did play with Jolee always on my band i respected and liked him but tought him as boring old man, but he had the force. Then i had Kreaia always in my party and for her i tought the same, respect and liked but boring old lady Now i can truly understand the Dark Side to do something like this makes me angry i can feel like my party member got sexually assaulted for sake of evil darkside, Kreaia is not sexually attractive to me because of old age
In a late night, drunken discussion once, we talked about how certain force powers could be used or abused creatively. Force Choke targets the larynx in humans, but couldn't you just choke or squeeze something else?
Vader: "I find your lack of faith disturbing"
[Motti doubles over in pain and collapses to the floor holding his groin]
Motti: (indiscernable high pitched whimpering)
[grotest crackling sound]
Tarkin: "Vader! Enough! Release him"
Vader: "As you wish"
The point is, there are probably lots of variations on Force powers that might be used if one had no compunction limiting you.
Wouldn’t Sion’s short “lightsaber” have tears and unspeakable things?
This makes me like Kreia.
You know there are people that say Star Wars fans are the worst. And it's topics like this that make me agree
I can’t get behind this theory. Nice video tho.
First: love this channel
Second: love kreia even more
This is hardly possible 1. For the force anything is possible so for sion to do (that) is very difficult torture is limitless for those who can do anything with the force from lighting to mental attacks and curses etc...
2. Sion is basically uncapable of experiencing any form of joy even if just for one second so that sort of attack is not possible real life assalters have the desire for self enjoyment to see their victim suffering.
3.sion physical body was murdered hundreds of times its cracking open the parts where the cracks are visible are dust so i highly doubt that his essencial organs are still there probably the force can revitalize those but lets be real he is too far gone and in order for that to happen sion would need the correct rituals to restore those parts so No.
I don’t play sci fi games… so I haven’t seen this before. Damn! This writing is good. Which makes it a mastercraft compares by today’s garbage.
There is nothing that is black and white here, which is great.
The thumbnail tho.........
Kreia was a dark jedi and betrayed all of us even me her student that she loved so much how could she do this to me the one closest to her i was the one dhe loved more then herself i hated to see her suffer at their hands she deserved better ❤❤❤❤❤i loved kreaia and i will always love her as a teacher and a best friend ❤❤❤❤❤but betrayal is something i hate that the force seems to have a will so i stayed exiled until now im coming out of this trap and i will never be used again ❤❤❤❤❤ trayas academy a dark lord of the sith she was in deed! So i should have left her along tie ago but that was a pain ill never forget ❤❤❤❤with love and respect traya im coming back soon to the order under a different name Angelique Flay! I will do what i needed to do long ago kreia i told you then what i had plans to do with the lightside and i am a beacon for someone else as well one i loved very dearly you all had him killed by the sith....i loved him kreia and that was trask they killed the man i loved dearly ❤❤❤❤❤❤But i have grown past that it was nearly 5 years ago but i loved him dearly and rhat is the magnitude of your choiches and Bastilia shens as well ❤❤❤we will meet again i promise you that my dear but for now goodbye and have a wonderful day!!!! But i hope whoever did this to trask gets the same in return!!! Angelique Flay
I always assumed that was what they were implying but worded it that way to keep a T rating. As for why, Nihilus ans Sion probably did it to show just how powerless they'd rendered her.
After watching Ep. 9 I think that I knew why Kreia was not killed by them. She could have had possessed their bodies like Palps.
She just wasn’t allowed to see the manager
Not the first time they did a passing dark reference. Nv has some too.
And uhh why the hell would anyone put Sion in the healing chamber?
Ty for this
@Jim Bob's Arcade stfu
Is this the voice actress who played the healer in act 1 of Diablo 2
I believe so
I suspect it wasn't sexual in nature ,and more to do with breaking her spirit,force welders biggest weakness is there concentration,break that for good ,and they're done,
Yeah, I think the indignity may just be losing the force. It’s how she was stripped of the force, so it was clearly a traumatic moment for Kreia but perhaps not actually sexual.
Losing the force must be quite humiliating and traumatic at first, but Kreia actually admired those who are able to turn away from the force.
Interesting theory video
I know lore Dash, she saw her face😂🤣
You promised not to watch this video!
4:27 I'd also despise the force if it destroyed wontons.
This is good writing. They don't tell you anything and they let you fill it in yourself.
Uncomfortable fact: sexual stuff is not the worse thing that can happen in Star Wars universe.
So if Sion allegedely could inflict 'indignities' does he also like take a shit from time to time? Did Palpatine had a toilet? What about Yoda? These are really the questions no one asks
Everyone uses the refresher. Kings and philosophers shit, and so do force wielders
When I first saw this cutscene that's what I thought she was implying.
idk... could be. what obsidians true intent was we will never know but it definitely can be taken the way you lay out. it makes me wonder though. if lucasarts wasnt up against deadlines for the release of the game and other problems going on at the time and the game wasnt as rushed and had a longer dev cycle... would this have made it past lucasarts if they had time to review the game as they normally would? lucasarts wasnt as controlling as the story group is but they did have oversight and this seems like something they would have wanted cleaned up if they had noticed it.
Nihilus wouldn't be interested in any thing sexual and judging by the state of sions body I don't think he has the facilities for that... that's why he is so angry all the time
Kreia is like the Anti-Kenobi
Lol she was based off of leia and kenobi.
I disagree with your claim that Star Wars shies away from controversial topics. Remember that Slavery was an issue is episode 1, Leia was basically a sex slave in RotJ, the implied sex scene in KotOR 1 at the end of Bastila's romance arc with the male character, a side arc in the Fate of the Jedi books dealing with groups trying to abolish slavery, or even the entirety of Yuuzhan Vong culture.
All that aside, I love this game, and you just explained a large portion of why.
the power of human imagination shall show you things .... some consider... unnatural
I don't think that was what was meant. It is the indignity of being dominated by another. That can be with sexual violence, physical violence, or psychological violence. The indignities are an analogue for a traumatic response to helplessness and/or forced subordination. The medium of domination in this instance is arbitrary; the character is written to work on less specific levels to encompass a wider range of human experience.
If it were sexual I'm confident the writers had the ability to more clearly express that while keeping the T rating. If it were sexual, what would it add to her character? What would it add to the narrative or plot? Very little.
when you're a star wars fan but also a porn addict
Kreia is best girl. I absolutely love her so much.
I imagine his "manhood" would be very flakey and fragile
Let's go creepier thank you for teaching me about The Dark Side i am IRL Darth Vader i am finnish we have unique finn genoms that cause unique diseases it is good thing world medicine studies us since we are isolated small group so dont feel sorry this is a good thing. I have unknown eye disease caused by natural product astaxanthin my right eye becomes sore due light and concentration, i have darkened lenses and parachute trooper goggles and i adjust the level of protection needed but i do really feel - I want to see you with my own eyes Luke I am a christian so spiritual do not take me literally i wont sexually assault women but i got angry for hearing it and it totally makes sense for lore
unwanted sexual attention isnt the only indignity that can be done to you
Lord of Jealousy
Soooo i think a "rule34" reaserch is required now after listening to this.
Interesting angle. One of these companies needs to hire you as some kind of writer or advisor Dash. Modern games lack depth. The tech is there, the depth is absent AF.
Thanks mate!
I find it very telling that commenters here are getting angry about this interpretation of Kreia's indignties. Star Wars was for kids. Star Wars is for kids again, and not in a good way, courtesy of disney.
If you like your stories sterile and you childhood put on a pedestal, you can pretend indignities doesn't have connotations, especially given how Kreia uses the word. But don't get upset when others who also grew up with Star Wars see things differently to you.
I like this more human, more messy version of Star Wars; I like it because it explores the worst and the best of the human condition.
I've been a lifelong fan of Obsidian games, they too excel at deconstruction and reconstruction of genres and continue to do so masterfully.
If exploring how force users, especially the sith, can be both awful and awfully human isn't for you, don't interpret the game that way, problem solved.
Based on her age I doubt they did anything.
Not every indignity has to be sexual lmao
No...just NO.
WTF IS THIS VIDEO😂😂😂
I can’t tell if this is an immaculate shitpost or this is serious
0:31 when girls think they can fix the bad boys and they show their love
i hope not kreia an old woman
That's what makes so dark when ever we see rape in moives, it's usually some hot women.
I mean, just because someone’s old doesn’t mean this stuff can’t happen, and further more, age / older doesn’t mean someone still can’t be attractive or sexual. You act like being older means men or women suddenly become ugly monsters who can’t possibly have sex or be seen as attractive. That’s ageist and society’s brainwashing showing
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This game Is one of the best of all time
This is Star Wars. Not SVU. I wanted to learn alittle about a world like middle earth. Not listen to some boy ramble on about sexual assault. Who ever made this deserves to fail.
Bit much but I appreciate being called a boy seeing as I'm getting long in the tooth
@@DarkLOREDash what is wrong with your fans do they not know how to read
what the fuck
Gone sexual 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
Lol
Ayo Im down for some Krussy😋😋😋