Hey guys, I did this run to both better understand and plug Ace's upcoming GDQ run. You can watch it on www.twitch.tv/gamesdonequick at 8:44 PM PDT Jan 15th. You can check the schedule here for more info: gamesdonequick.com/ And I have an event in the GGG Discord you can attend to get an alert when it starts!
As an old SC:BW mapmaker, I can explain how the dialog skip works, it's really simple. For stuff to not break and for in-game timer to not register lengthy conversations or rule explanations, you have a certain feature in starcraft visual trigger editor, called "pause". It is basically equal to "pausing" the game (either via F10 or Pause/Break), except it lets triggered actions play out. So it's perfect for dialogs. Afte the dialog is finished, you call "unpause" function in map triggers - and the mission continues. The problem is: some dialogs are either not important or have scripted (as in "units moving/fighting/dying to show what's going on") stuff in them, so in those cases you are not allowed to use that "pause" features (you technically can, but it becomse too complicated and tedious, since Star Edit comes with 255 Triggers limitation...) -- and those are THE dialogs you can skip (although the cinematographic stuff still has to play out). In other words: if game is 100% unresponsive and you can't access menu: tough luck skipping the dialog (or you have to do some frame-perfect save shenanigans I'm not aware of)... if the dialog is being played while any units are still moving and you can access the menu: go on and skip it. Another fun fact: most scripted scenes have a trigger requirement of unit dying, so if you'd activate "power overwhelming" cheat, the scripted action will never happen until you deactivate the cheat (since in most cases all the units present in "cutscene" are given to the AI player, and "power overwhelming" makes all AI-controlled units deal 0 damage to each other). P.S. Hope the text I've just wrote has at least some semblance of coherence and makes at least some sence. If not, I'm really sorry and would do my best to reword it.
I used to speed run this campaign a lot as a kid... like A LOT !!! I'd beat the first zerg mission at record time and then that's when my speed run ended xd
1:47:52 In that attempt, you moved the dropship a bit too high up and aggroed the bc that was guarding the second beacon. You can see and hear it shoot your dropship, but you didnt notice, and after that your dropship didnt have enough health to survive the final bc.
I love that in the bonus mission Zeratul was so useless at pathing and attacking, it gave similar vibes to old man Zeratul forgetting his voice lines in Mindhawk's Challenge Gauntlet. Gotta love old SC coding
It looks like there's two different types of dialogue cutscenes. The ones you can pause in the middle of, the game keeps running. In the first one you found that out in, you could see enemy units trying to run in and then getting despawned when they hit the letterbox border. The ones you can't pause in the middle of, the game is already paused while they're talking. You could see that even the overlords stopped bobbing up and down until Zeratul needed to walk forward and slice the Matriarch, then pause again.
Commenting a day after the speed run and my god 7thAce put on one hell of a show! Just wanted to drop by and say you and Ectar absolutely rocked the commentary. I've been hyped ever since you announced you'd be couching back in one of the Azeroth Reborn vids. I usually don't get a chance to catch GDQ live because of work but damn my work responsibilities I stayed up for it! Thank you Ace, Grant and Ectar for doing Brood War justice on such a grand scale. You guys are awesome!
I'd LOVE to hear more about how you got tips from long-time SC1 Gamers like Artosis and Ace. A video of some of the stuff you'd gone over would be VERY cool.
I like that the challenge doesn't lie in the planned route so much as in making the pathing AI behave through various techs. this run is the "bro didn't let me copy his homework and I didn't study" story and its freaking funny to me.
Grant: "Kinda the answer to everything on this mission is hydras, hydras, hydras." me, an eternal diehard fan of the SC1 Hydralisk: "He's beginning to _believe..."_
1:13:27 It's because DTs and other permanently cloaked units like observers actually spawn uncloaked for a micro second after coming out of their production facility. 1:27:10 Dark Templars: Allow us to introduce ourselves
Parasite is quite powerful in some cases. It always denies stealth of infected unit. It also provides full vision of given unit - including detection, like it is with ovie on 1:24:08 . Best thing would be to kill it or let enemy medic blind it, so it won't provide vision, as it was spotting DTs for enemy.
10:05 I think here the same happened as in a previous video of yours where a queen cast Broodlings on a tank but died before the projectile hit the target: As with Parasite, I think the spellcaster needs to be alive until the target lands. If it died with the projectile still on its way, the spell will have no effect. I think it's because for broodlings the game needs to know the player color under which the broodlings get created and for parasite it needs to know who gets the vision. So when the projectile hits and the game checks for its origin but the unit was dead already, it can't give the benefit to any player so you get no effect from the spell. I think the queen is unique with this in this game, since all other spellcasters just affect the target regardless of which player it was that casted the spell. Maybe something with Mind Control or Hallucination would also work like this, but they also don't have such slow projectiles like the queen.
It's not just drones, Grant is always picking a worker with gas/minerals for his builds and it's driving me crazy every time. It's probably more time efficient than selecting several until you find one that is "free" but the perfectionists of the world will agree this is a crime against nature.
1:20:07 Parasite gives vision over the unit, wether it is cloaked or burrowed. But yeah I agree, it would have been fun if it didn't reveal the cloaked unit.
And I STILL can't beat this game at all. Grant beats it in less time than what I need for a single mission, only to lose. Impressive skill there Grant ! Sadly I'll be at work for the GDQ run, but I'll watch the replay for sure !
Gah I'm starving for your content and I've got two campaigns I'm waiting on and now I have to watch this as well?! Good problems to have -_- ... thanks
It is not. (just check numbers) EDIT : since my 2nd answer disappeared and I'm tired of YT losing comments, I won't bother detailing again. Anyway, just check DPS on Liquidpedia if you wonder. Siege is always higher. It may have some overkill, and siegeing / unsiegeing takes time, but dps-wise, numbers are always higher. The only source I can think of pretending the opposite is Tasteless, but c'mon... I'm speaking facts here, not random unchecked suppositions. (And yes, I did test it, too)
@@balmipour have you ever actually tested it? it's slightly better unupgraded and opens the gap farther with each upgrade level. generally speaking they will end up dealing more damage while sieged even after overhit due to splash, due to splash being untyped damage, and due to the damage in the mobile mode being quietly halved vs most units but by-the-numbers the baseline dps _is_ technically higher which might be what the AI is based on (I don't actually know with remastered, it's a completely different game under the hood despite the graphics skin and similar numbers on units' statcard displays and I've only barely touched remaster as opposed to full-on glitchhunting the original). practically speaking it is mostly only _actually_ better when they are being used to clear out buildings, takes a lot less player attention that way too which is the number you actually care about in most situations.
Oh god, i forgot all about the 12 units per hot key group. God that sucked so bad. It reminds me of the good ole days of entering transports deleting units from your hot key groups too.
Grant has these missions so many times this is practically child's play to him. And 2 hours shows both just how good Grant is and how tedious these missions can be when you're running around searching for one unit or structure. 1:49:14 I want to see a mod where all SC2 Hybrid have their models replaced by the original Hybrid from here.
I wonder what the game would be like if supply did a little MORE, imagine if as a zerg if you get over supply due to a lost overlord, say you become 59/51, then you would lose control of 8 supply worth of units (maybe the last 8 supply built) until you replace the overlord. For terran it could be a bit different, say you lose some depots and go into the red 59/51 for example, your last 8 supply of units dont have "ammo" to fire their weapons until you rebuild the supply Toss already get punished for losing pylons and their buildings get unpowered, maybe units that are in the oversupply get slowed due to their messed up connection to the khala (although with LOTV the khala is gone)? Something to think about while watching this speed run :)
I never understood how hydras attacked as a kid. They look like they just point their heads down at there junk and start spitting but it somehow goes straight is what i use to think lol.
Back in the days when hydras were spitting acid not spikes and they were considered good units Ah yes the legendery fight with Fenix at 51:10, that's so epic even heroic tales sing of it. If a DT gets parasite, it becomes a glass cannon zealot.
Saw that you cheesed Fenix in True Colors. Appropriate. There is a way to cheese Duke as well though. You just build a good amount of Scourges and he will go down right away.
Hey @Grant! - I've noticed in your (and Ace's) playthrough that in the Sneak Attack mission you recommend killing the production structures/research for one of the races. But I've always found that klling the Nexi and all the Probes (and then as much production as possible) and same for the terran (Kil the CC's and ALL SCV's) always gave me the best time... because that race was completely useless the rest of the mission. I wonder if you guys ever tried that....
I've tried that route during testing - without producing any extra units, the route was rather precise and mistakes like letting your units wander and hit things they weren't supposed to could result in the whole strat going wrong. Additionally, I want the AI to do some things - it doesn't do much in general but it does unsiege tanks and move them out of good positions which is great for the attack.
@@7thAce I see. Thank you :) - I watched your run - amazing stuff! It's so rewarding for us who played "the hell out" of this game to see you guys do these things. Thank you for that!
@@GCaF Thanks! I don't think the town halls + workers route is inviable, but harder for full campaign runs. I think there could be room for it to work in an IL route.
While I love Starcraft 1 for the story and artstyle, I hate this "it's an Esport first and a game secondary" mentality. Yes Remastered should have increased the selection limit and made you able to select more than one building at a time. What made starcraft fun was the goofy experiences with your friends, not the huge esport events.
Lol, Jim Reynor tells kerrigan he's gonna kill her? Didn't know that's in sc 1, now sc 2's plot makes even less sense? SC 1 has so much cooler characters than sc 2, really sad.
Hey guys, I did this run to both better understand and plug Ace's upcoming GDQ run. You can watch it on www.twitch.tv/gamesdonequick at 8:44 PM PDT Jan 15th.
You can check the schedule here for more info: gamesdonequick.com/
And I have an event in the GGG Discord you can attend to get an alert when it starts!
For anyone reading these comments, it will start when Grant's comment is _roughly_ 19 hours old.
As an old SC:BW mapmaker, I can explain how the dialog skip works, it's really simple.
For stuff to not break and for in-game timer to not register lengthy conversations or rule explanations, you have a certain feature in starcraft visual trigger editor, called "pause". It is basically equal to "pausing" the game (either via F10 or Pause/Break), except it lets triggered actions play out. So it's perfect for dialogs. Afte the dialog is finished, you call "unpause" function in map triggers - and the mission continues.
The problem is: some dialogs are either not important or have scripted (as in "units moving/fighting/dying to show what's going on") stuff in them, so in those cases you are not allowed to use that "pause" features (you technically can, but it becomse too complicated and tedious, since Star Edit comes with 255 Triggers limitation...) -- and those are THE dialogs you can skip (although the cinematographic stuff still has to play out).
In other words: if game is 100% unresponsive and you can't access menu: tough luck skipping the dialog (or you have to do some frame-perfect save shenanigans I'm not aware of)... if the dialog is being played while any units are still moving and you can access the menu: go on and skip it.
Another fun fact: most scripted scenes have a trigger requirement of unit dying, so if you'd activate "power overwhelming" cheat, the scripted action will never happen until you deactivate the cheat (since in most cases all the units present in "cutscene" are given to the AI player, and "power overwhelming" makes all AI-controlled units deal 0 damage to each other).
P.S. Hope the text I've just wrote has at least some semblance of coherence and makes at least some sence. If not, I'm really sorry and would do my best to reword it.
Thanks for all the support and time you've put into this! Hoping to do StarCraft PvE well tomorrow!
It is mostly ZvT not PvE. Easy mistake to make
Good luck on the speedrun!!
protoss versus everyone???
Fenix will face everyone in glorious combat
Good Luck!
Biggest enemy the speedrunners need to fear is the pathing
Grant literally doing the "Studying the night before the exam" strat
Mission 1.
Grant: I'll try to explain everything.
Kerrigan: Greetings, Cerebrate.
Grant: All right, go, go, go.
Perfect.
This isn’t safe haven but I’ll still watch the whole video
I used to speed run this campaign a lot as a kid... like A LOT !!! I'd beat the first zerg mission at record time and then that's when my speed run ended xd
1:47:52 In that attempt, you moved the dropship a bit too high up and aggroed the bc that was guarding the second beacon. You can see and hear it shoot your dropship, but you didnt notice, and after that your dropship didnt have enough health to survive the final bc.
Hydras move in a single file to disguise their numbers.
I love that in the bonus mission Zeratul was so useless at pathing and attacking, it gave similar vibes to old man Zeratul forgetting his voice lines in Mindhawk's Challenge Gauntlet. Gotta love old SC coding
In the end, it was not guns or bombs that defeated Grant, but that humblest of starcraft's creatures, the supply depot
It looks like there's two different types of dialogue cutscenes. The ones you can pause in the middle of, the game keeps running. In the first one you found that out in, you could see enemy units trying to run in and then getting despawned when they hit the letterbox border. The ones you can't pause in the middle of, the game is already paused while they're talking. You could see that even the overlords stopped bobbing up and down until Zeratul needed to walk forward and slice the Matriarch, then pause again.
Unless I am misreading the speedrun leaderboard, that would put grant on 3rd place, on his first go, that's wild!
Commenting a day after the speed run and my god 7thAce put on one hell of a show! Just wanted to drop by and say you and Ectar absolutely rocked the commentary. I've been hyped ever since you announced you'd be couching back in one of the Azeroth Reborn vids. I usually don't get a chance to catch GDQ live because of work but damn my work responsibilities I stayed up for it! Thank you Ace, Grant and Ectar for doing Brood War justice on such a grand scale. You guys are awesome!
Thanks
I'd LOVE to hear more about how you got tips from long-time SC1 Gamers like Artosis and Ace. A video of some of the stuff you'd gone over would be VERY cool.
U finally beat Brood War, I hear Ace has been trying for months!
I like that the challenge doesn't lie in the planned route so much as in making the pathing AI behave through various techs.
this run is the "bro didn't let me copy his homework and I didn't study" story and its freaking funny to me.
2+ hours of Grant??
Is it Christmas again?!
And already having anxiety attack at around 7:55, srsly, I can't watch speedruns. :D
Grant: "Kinda the answer to everything on this mission is hydras, hydras, hydras."
me, an eternal diehard fan of the SC1 Hydralisk: "He's beginning to _believe..."_
1:13:27 It's because DTs and other permanently cloaked units like observers actually spawn uncloaked for a micro second after coming out of their production facility.
1:27:10 Dark Templars: Allow us to introduce ourselves
You had an entire clown car of drones mining the same mineral patch at 16:15
I hope I remember to catch the speedrun tomorrow! I'm super excited to see that
Parasite is quite powerful in some cases. It always denies stealth of infected unit. It also provides full vision of given unit - including detection, like it is with ovie on 1:24:08 . Best thing would be to kill it or let enemy medic blind it, so it won't provide vision, as it was spotting DTs for enemy.
DT at 1:13:30 was just coming out from the Gateway. Even permacloaked units aren't cloaked for the first few seconds after spawning.
56:22 Remember that Hatch you made for SC1 deathless that *no one* could see? Yeah the Dominion borrowed that bit of tech.
10:05 I think here the same happened as in a previous video of yours where a queen cast Broodlings on a tank but died before the projectile hit the target: As with Parasite, I think the spellcaster needs to be alive until the target lands. If it died with the projectile still on its way, the spell will have no effect. I think it's because for broodlings the game needs to know the player color under which the broodlings get created and for parasite it needs to know who gets the vision. So when the projectile hits and the game checks for its origin but the unit was dead already, it can't give the benefit to any player so you get no effect from the spell. I think the queen is unique with this in this game, since all other spellcasters just affect the target regardless of which player it was that casted the spell. Maybe something with Mind Control or Hallucination would also work like this, but they also don't have such slow projectiles like the queen.
Thanks for memories about this great game, good voice and commentaries!
I love watching you play. Be it Star Craft 1 or 2. But it always hurts watching drones with something in their claws morph, and I don't know why.
It's not just drones, Grant is always picking a worker with gas/minerals for his builds and it's driving me crazy every time. It's probably more time efficient than selecting several until you find one that is "free" but the perfectionists of the world will agree this is a crime against nature.
1:20:07 Parasite gives vision over the unit, wether it is cloaked or burrowed. But yeah I agree, it would have been fun if it didn't reveal the cloaked unit.
It would have been the most SC1/SCBW thing ever to have it not reveal cloaked units
In case no one else mentioned it, the Drones super stacking on minerals happens whenever a cluster has a patch that can't be pathed to.
55:45 This sort of comedy can't be written, it only arises from circumstance.
That war with scv vs drone was pretty dang hilarious lol.
And I STILL can't beat this game at all. Grant beats it in less time than what I need for a single mission, only to lose.
Impressive skill there Grant ! Sadly I'll be at work for the GDQ run, but I'll watch the replay for sure !
Gah I'm starving for your content and I've got two campaigns I'm waiting on and now I have to watch this as well?! Good problems to have -_- ... thanks
I am super excited for you! Congratulations on being on GDQ :)
In kel morian maybe because the south entrance was blocked by hold position units they automatically rally them to other path.
Can't wait to see you at AGDQ
YESSSSSS Speedrunning! I want to see so much more of SC speedruns
YOU ARE THE MAN who's gonna speedrun BW someday!
they don't tend to siege with 1 -unit- sorry *target* in siege range, likely because single-target dps is actually higher out of siege mode
It is not. (just check numbers)
EDIT : since my 2nd answer disappeared and I'm tired of YT losing comments, I won't bother detailing again.
Anyway, just check DPS on Liquidpedia if you wonder. Siege is always higher.
It may have some overkill, and siegeing / unsiegeing takes time, but dps-wise, numbers are always higher.
The only source I can think of pretending the opposite is Tasteless, but c'mon... I'm speaking facts here, not random unchecked suppositions.
(And yes, I did test it, too)
@@balmipour have you ever actually tested it? it's slightly better unupgraded and opens the gap farther with each upgrade level.
generally speaking they will end up dealing more damage while sieged even after overhit due to splash, due to splash being untyped damage, and due to the damage in the mobile mode being quietly halved vs most units but by-the-numbers the baseline dps _is_ technically higher which might be what the AI is based on (I don't actually know with remastered, it's a completely different game under the hood despite the graphics skin and similar numbers on units' statcard displays and I've only barely touched remaster as opposed to full-on glitchhunting the original).
practically speaking it is mostly only _actually_ better when they are being used to clear out buildings, takes a lot less player attention that way too which is the number you actually care about in most situations.
Oh god, i forgot all about the 12 units per hot key group. God that sucked so bad. It reminds me of the good ole days of entering transports deleting units from your hot key groups too.
I clicked on this, thinking it was the Wings of Mengsk Safe Haven video and just about spit my coffee out
Loved to watch this, and ready to watch ace run this at GDQ!
you saw the uncloaked DT because he just popped out of the gate.
you can skip dialog when the trigger "pause game" is not scripted in the sequence
Grant has these missions so many times this is practically child's play to him. And 2 hours shows both just how good Grant is and how tedious these missions can be when you're running around searching for one unit or structure.
1:49:14 I want to see a mod where all SC2 Hybrid have their models replaced by the original Hybrid from here.
I'm pretty sure hybrid pod is just reused Tassadar prison pod prop. So it is just protoss.
But hybrid doesn't necessary have to show off zerg parts.
man you are amazing. thank you so much. i wish you a nice day
I wonder what the game would be like if supply did a little MORE, imagine if as a zerg if you get over supply due to a lost overlord, say you become 59/51, then you would lose control of 8 supply worth of units (maybe the last 8 supply built) until you replace the overlord.
For terran it could be a bit different, say you lose some depots and go into the red 59/51 for example, your last 8 supply of units dont have "ammo" to fire their weapons until you rebuild the supply
Toss already get punished for losing pylons and their buildings get unpowered, maybe units that are in the oversupply get slowed due to their messed up connection to the khala (although with LOTV the khala is gone)?
Something to think about while watching this speed run :)
Oh god, watching Ace's every speed run, you can see all the mistakes. However, you still did good!
Hope the run went well, will watch the VOD later, but unfortunately it was a bit before 5am my time
That hi before the first mission started made me laugh ;)
The stasis cell uses the same model in every map so that's literally just a generic protoss body floating in green goop
I know that trees provide a -% accuracy penalty to ranged attacks, but I don't know if the solar panel umbrellas do
I never understood how hydras attacked as a kid. They look like they just point their heads down at there junk and start spitting but it somehow goes straight is what i use to think lol.
Depot Dave gets his revenge in the form of +1 minute
"I love it when they put stuff in weird places!" Do _not_ take that sentence out of context.
38:09 madr me laugh harder than it should lmao
Just want to say, watching you at normal speed... it's impressive. On 2x, you are a god.
OH MY GOD, THAT TRICK WITH THE MINES
the cloaked thing is revealed also if you do that to a detector it will reveal burrowed and cloaked stuff
Amusing
The speedrun was going great, but unfortunately, he was playing starcraft 1
Back in the days when hydras were spitting acid not spikes and they were considered good units
Ah yes the legendery fight with Fenix at 51:10, that's so epic even heroic tales sing of it.
If a DT gets parasite, it becomes a glass cannon zealot.
Claiming the hydra ground and mining your own business. I'm here for the puns!
Mengsk invented the tec reactors for tanks in Omega
duke got some crispy lines in sc1
In the new episode of GrantTriesGaming...
Saw that you cheesed Fenix in True Colors. Appropriate. There is a way to cheese Duke as well though. You just build a good amount of Scourges and he will go down right away.
LOL that thumbnail hahaha
R.I.P. spine crawler family 🙏🙏😔😛
Zergling Mode Grant! Kekeke!
i'm really looking forward to agdq Broodwar run :D
Yay!! This was AMAZING!! Thx Grant
1:15:33
Me around an hour after dinner
Hey @Grant! - I've noticed in your (and Ace's) playthrough that in the Sneak Attack mission you recommend killing the production structures/research for one of the races. But I've always found that klling the Nexi and all the Probes (and then as much production as possible) and same for the terran (Kil the CC's and ALL SCV's) always gave me the best time... because that race was completely useless the rest of the mission. I wonder if you guys ever tried that....
I've tried that route during testing - without producing any extra units, the route was rather precise and mistakes like letting your units wander and hit things they weren't supposed to could result in the whole strat going wrong. Additionally, I want the AI to do some things - it doesn't do much in general but it does unsiege tanks and move them out of good positions which is great for the attack.
@@7thAce I see. Thank you :) - I watched your run - amazing stuff! It's so rewarding for us who played "the hell out" of this game to see you guys do these things. Thank you for that!
@@GCaF Thanks! I don't think the town halls + workers route is inviable, but harder for full campaign runs. I think there could be room for it to work in an IL route.
shame this run starts right when i have to go to work, but im still gonna watch the vod at least
2:03:15
That trapped drone though
39 second grant! lets go
Shame you couldn't get your own spot in GDQ but maybe next time, yeah?! If I do'nt make the live watch I'll definitely watch the vods
GDQ has been trash since ~2018, who cares anymore.
For Omega, why not build 6 queens to broodling a 1/2 dozen tanks?
Surely that more than pays for itself??
41:40 "They are just sending one of everything build" - ye, what do they think they are? uTermal?
Fun fact noone has finished watching this video yet. Good luck Grant we're all rooting for you💝
i didnt know your game is Grant
God bless F2
Congrats on third place.
Does Grant have only zerg campaign speedrun?
question is... does this video feature radio free zerg?
on my computer I can just hit "Escape" to skip dialogue. is that not for every dialogue or is there something else I'm missing?
let's go
That so cool
1:09:55 is that the last scientist hiding in the corner?
You are badass!!
gg!
GG
While I love Starcraft 1 for the story and artstyle, I hate this "it's an Esport first and a game secondary" mentality. Yes Remastered should have increased the selection limit and made you able to select more than one building at a time. What made starcraft fun was the goofy experiences with your friends, not the huge esport events.
very based As always.
This looks really fun, I wonder if they will make Starcraft 2 at some point
Most average redditor chimes in with most unoriginal joke. 0/10
Let’s gooooo
Lol, Jim Reynor tells kerrigan he's gonna kill her? Didn't know that's in sc 1, now sc 2's plot makes even less sense?
SC 1 has so much cooler characters than sc 2, really sad.
Why is grant having issues with controlling all the individual zerg units? He could just press F2 to select all of them, what is he, silly?