@@Sommer00but it is a problem though. because it’s not specific to them. they’re trying to be so inclusive that it is REGRESSIVE. for example, a dog is a non-man. a tree is a non-man. a car is a non-man. no. you’re either a man or woman, a trans-man or a trans-woman.
This but then what if you ask them what a man is, they can’t answer either. They will say some shit like; “a man is someone who identify as a human male” which isn’t a definition of the word defined is used in the definition lol. Then if we ask what a male is they’ll call use transphobic because we dare try to make them see how dumb they’re being.
I don’t identify as gay. I am gay. Just a small difference in terminology. I never haven’t been gay. When someone says they “identify” as something, it raises a red flag in my head that you’re trying to be something you inherently are not. I AM gay. You “identify” as a bookcase. We are not the same.
That's exactly how I feel about people who "use" pronouns. Using she/her pronouns doesn't mean you even identify as female, all it means is that you want people to refer to you as "she". That's not trans.
Identifying as a "non-man" is really the most sexist thing I've ever heard. Basically she is basing her gender identity around men, as if being woman was a bad thing. Plain ridiculousness.
@@MiddlePath33So she could be a cat and it wouldn’t be a lie? 🤣 She’s a non-cat too. She’s many, MANY non-things. But what she fails to state, because she knows she can’t do it in a way that supports her weird identification assertion, is what she IS. A human woman. And a human women who is attracted to other human women.
Right? Ultimate denial of women. Horrific this comes from a woman too. Absolutely brainwashed person. I knew years ago why I always swiped No on girls saying they were nonbinary on dating apps.
@@Robisquick No, it's misogyny, which is hatred for WOMEN; misandry is feeling hate for MEN. By referring to herself as a "non-man", the woman in the video is eliminating the category of "woman" (leaving only the category of "man") and building herself up around men.... htf does that equal a hatred of men (misandry)?
It's a matter of perspective. She could very well be saying with this identity "listen, I adopt a lot of the traits of males, in that I present more masculine and enjoy more masculine things, but I am definitely not a man. I pictured it like a biracial B&W person who because she identifies more with the black culture, and definitely doesn't want anything to do with white culture, she identifies as a non-white biracial.. which coujld point to an internalized issue with the whiteness associated with having white traits. Honestly, we don't know what her internal beliefs are. She could either be a lesbian woman who is resentful of women and labels herself as a non-man... OR she could be someone who if she didn't hate what men were about, would've simply identified as a trans-man or non-binary between man and woman, but she doesn't wanna gto near what she percieves as the toxic man. It could be both and we are just speculating if either of us disagrees with the others interpretation.@@amajrae
I perfectly understand where you are coming from with it potentially being internalized disdain for the broad attributes associated with women... but can you understand how it could also be misandry depending on which syllogisms she mightve used to arrive at that label? I'm not arguing this form the position of being an advocate for either camp... just looking for what makes most sense.@@amajrae
Imagine such a clownish world where "non-man", "inverse-masculine", "adjacent-to-man", and "non-testosterone unit" are considered real variations to woman. Oh wait.
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when I was younger I always "stole" my brothers toys beceause I was more interested in boy toys. yet i'm still a straight woman. i'm so glad I grew up in a normal household
I'm a woman and I have two older brothers. I always played with them and I was more interested in boy things growing up. There was a time when I was a little girl and I thought "I wish I was a boy" because I thought that would make it easier for me, since many people thought I was weird. But I told myself that it was ok, that I could be a girl that liked boy things and that was ok. And now I'm an adult and I'm happy being the straight woman that I am. I'm not very feminine but that's fine, I'm just who I am and want to be. I've never been interested in women, I've always liked men. Tomboys aren't always lesbians or trans.
When I was a kid, I found a couple blocks of wood and wanted to build something, asked my dad for a screwdriver and a some screws. He threatened to wash my mouth out with soap. Ahh, the 60's!
I am a girly girl, and I am terrible at sports and never liked boy toys, so when I had my son, I was worried he’d never be able to have any fun with me. I can’t catch or throw or wrestle or swim and don’t like being wet or dirty or cold. But I decided he could play the things I knew how to play every once in awhile when I really, really couldn’t stand to be outside, so instead of playing ball or camping or hiking, I played “store”, “cooking”, and “tea party” with him. He figured out the sports stuff on his own and taught himself to ride a bike and swim by watching others. He is still very male and very good at sports despite my shortcomings, but if it turned out that he liked tea party more than baseball, I wasn’t going to lose my sh*t over it. 😂
Its a bit funny that this person would define herself as a non-man. It basically means man is the default. Doesn’t seem very liberal or progressive 🤷🏼♀️. Also, the disgust towards being a woman shows a lot of internalised misogyny.
EXACTLY! I have yet to see a “non binary” man calling himself “non-woman”. Seems like terminology that is exclusive to women with internalized misogyny.
I experienced symptoms of dysphoria as a teen and after years I realized it was just lots of lots of internalized misogyny and homophobia. I feel for these people but at the same time they cannot just spread misinformation and harm people.
Except sometimes they're accurate descriptors. Marcus for example was born a woman, but he doesn't have a womb thus cannot menstruate. Like my mom who had a hysterectomy too.
I’m a guy. If I identify as “non-binary” rightnow and I am attracted to only women, does that make me a lesbian? It doesn’t make sense. Imagine if they got a man in this debate on the lesbian liberal side. And he said “oh they included me because I’m nonbinary and I’m a lesbian since I’m attracted to women.”
According to them yes. Does it actually make you a lesbian no but you can 'identify' as one. To them even if two non-binary biological men in a relationship could identify as a lesbian couple.. Make it make sense..
It's not even creative. At least make it interesting if you are going to build this fantasy world. This is why shows that hire activist writers are flopping hard. No talent in creative writing.
Saying you're a "non-man" is one of the most misogynistic (and by default, homophobic) thing someone can say about themselves. She hates the thought of a woman so much that she can't even say the word to herself?? She'd seriously rather say "non-man"?!? It never ceases to amaze me how these people are so blind to their own hypocritical ignorances. They are the literal embodiment of every single thing they claim to fight against and they are so frustratingly blind to it.
@@Sunshinex1029 wrong person. Pretty sure they were talking about the white, 'non binary... non-man' thingamajig, not Arielle's ex She was the one Marcus was referring to, re the whole 'eyes' thing.
@@DariaZainabTdad Give me a break. I don't believe that. I don't have a famous multi-millionaire dad. They all want to play victim instead of looking at their blessings. It's bizarre.
I am not sure who was more annoying on the panel, the nonbinary lesbian or Amber the black woman that said privilege so many times that I wanted to scream.
That's their arguments, though. They know nothing else except privilege and oppression :/ Once (or, rather, IF) they realize they were tunnel visionsed, they might realize they can't blanket statement either of those terms onto a person just based on one single trait
I, a person who made her way all by herself in life without ever reaching significant heights, got verbally attacked by a Black woman in my organization who's a VP, lives in New York City, and makes double or triple my salary. Supposedly, I'm the privileged one, because of my DNA.
"Everyone can be a part of the community, no matter who you are" Yay me as a staight person can be a part of the community "No, if you are staight and identify as such u ar not part of the community." Wait what but you just said everyone can be part of the community.
We can just make our own boringly straight community who don't give a flip about other peoples gender identities or sexual orientations. Are you straight? Do you consider yourself aligned with your biological gender? Congratulations, you're now a member. 🥳
I am 63 years old woman and bisexual all my life. When I was young there was lots of stigma related to bisexuality so I lived it more or less undercover, never openly. And today I am actually happy for this privacy and how I used to live my sexuality. I do not want to become a part of this crazy Lynchmob, defying reality and going after people who think different like J.K.Rowling for example. I am happy that my sexuality is mine and I do not need to flaunt it around the Internet in order to give me the feeling I am allive and I count. I think today I might qualify as queer, but I reject their box and do not want to identify over my sexuality. If I identify with somebody then I prefer women like Simone de Beauvoir who ifentified as a philosopher and her sexuality was hers.
When she couldn't pull the race card it made me cackle. 🤣 It's like when they can't hide behind being black, they don't have anything to support their arguement anymore. I am also a 'non-man'. That is called a 'woman' to us boring normies. I am a privileged straight white woman. It's not something I would say I identify as, it's just the cold, hard facts.
I hate when they play the race card, for whatever reason they forget there are Hispanics, Asians that have it even worse not just because of the skin color but the language barrier.
@@megsley Well, I was trying for a joke, but will you accept that some things are plants and some things are animals, and there are other life forms which don't quite fit the dichotomy?
@@carrieann1640 What dichotomy? If some creature ain't a plant or an animal, then it's something else, like fungi for example. You don't just stop at calling it non-animal and non-plant.
I wanna add a piece to the privilege conversation. All too often people ignore one of the most important privileges: socioeconomic privilege. I’ve noticed the people who tend to ignore this form of privilege the most are those who grew up with or have socioeconomic privilege.
@@StelleenBlack I feel for you, honestly. 😂 At least we can somewhat ignore this in Europe, specifically Denmark where I'm at. Sure, we have LGBT+ and whatsitscalled, but thankfully we don't have a wave of outlandish pronouns sweeping the nation... yet. And they have stopped screaming from the top of their lungs (or people have stopped paying attention to their screaming). Making it marginally more tolerable.
@@tegandetermann3299I remember seeing on tumblr in 2016 all the chronically online kids saying drag is transphobic towards transwomen - now we should have drag queens twerking in front of 5 year olds! these people are never consistent and constantly move the goalposts.
@@tegandetermann3299 omg 😱 are you serious 🤣 they said bi-sexual is a homophobic term 😂 Shut the front door 🚪😂 Wow ok I'm just gonna laugh now because I want to cry at the lunacy 😂
Biggest problem is that if you do actually catch up, they change their demands just to exert more power over everyone. It's a no win situation, by design.
I remember years ago there was this account I followed on instagram and one of the people that ran it said she was a lesbian but then in the same sentence she would say she’s going on a date with her boyfriend…? Like… what?
I might be some broken feminist (for these people yeah, probably, I'm not a 'third-wave', not intersectionalist) but referring to women as 'non-men' is the most misogynistic shit I've heard in a while.
As a lesbian I cannot stand the term “non-man” why center it around men?? My other friends who are also lesbian hate it too. Even my therapist who grew up with 2 moms said she never heard of that, said it sounds misogynistic. I don’t see people saying “non woman” for a gay man.
Sometimes i feel they forget they are at a debate . if you say something you have to be prepared to back it up with facts.ESPECIALLY if you are pointing the finger and saying someone is ( fill in the blank) you have to provide proof otherwise your just gaining another enemy.
Ideally it's not even a debate, it's a middle ground. Where both sides present evidence, share their experiences, and LISTEN. Unfortunately these middle grounds have turned more and more into lecturing and arguing.
@@jellyrcw12 I see what you mean but I think they just CALL it middle ground. There's no way to have strong opposing views without debating them. And I don't mean fighting. But simply how you described it. You can't say things as facts without some element of proof.
Well I do think there are major differences between how some of them are moderated and the general tone of those who attended. The skinny vs fat one was pretty chill, and the liberal vs conservative gay one was better sourced and shared. @@angelabowers4914
That 4/5 kids PROPERLY diagnosed with dysphoria are cured by puberty says 80% would be harmed by blockers. But it's worth it to lock them into your group huh. They're not under attack, they're upset that people push back on THEIR attack - at least we're not motivated by selfishness - WE care about the harm they're doing 😢
I was very dysphoric for many years on end before I came to terms with myself and understood the roots of these feelings. If I was living in the West, I would have been castrated years ago... Scary to think how people are led to harm themselves like this.
Wonderful comment! Poor Marcus here was in the 1/5 who didn't grow out of his gender dysphoria. He learned that through maturing to age 20. If he fell in the 4/5 and did puberty blockers how would he ever know if nature would have taken care of his gender disphoria?
I’ll be totally honest, I hated my body growing up, I wanted to stay the same. But now I eventually got down to it and figured out why I was feeling the way I was, and it helped me accept myself, now I’m comfortable in my own body. Being a woman isn’t all bad, and it’s sad to think these women are basically shaming others and distancing themselves from being too feminine because they either think it’s weakness or something bad.
It's always been known, and even discussed in federal hearings that you can watch on UA-cam, that the collateral damage of medically/hormonally altering kids is MUCH bigger than any help that the alterations provide. That's all anyone needs to know.
You're right about people choosing to be miserable and angry. I think it's more or less a symptom of never having found meaning in life. Happy people find meaning in their relationships, their work, their religion, but some of these people just have nothing to live for except for fighting against some imaginary evil force. Without it, they have nothing. It's sad, honestly.
Marcus, you're such an amazing voice of reason for the lgbt community. Ive been openly gay since I was 15 and I'm almost 40. I never thought my activism in my 20s would lead to the insanity we're seeing today. Thank you for what you do, pushing back on the lunacy and protecting kids...mostly gay kidswho are being sterilized.
Spot on again Marcus👍❤️ I’d love a part two, I can’t watch those shows because I get physically upset with the insanity! Thank you for being such a great voice ❤❤❤ from AK
The stretches and reaches to be "oppressed" are so... how do I put it... cringe... infuriating. There are no laws against them but they oppose laws that protect children, therefore they're being oppressed... when will this end... 🙄
The non-man "stuff" really takes me back to my younger years where any display of feminine traits by boys/men were castigated as "You're not a man", "Act like a man". Where most thought being gay/lesbian was a choice. We had come so far as a country to where that kind of thinking was confined to a tiny segment on the far right. To see it come back even stronger and from those who claim to be in the community is just crazy to me.
I mean that’s basically what it is, there is no such thing as nonbinary it’s just another confusing and stupid label that if you disagree with those who align with it will try to shut you down and silence you. A 25 year old WOMAN who identified as “nonbinary” told me to leave the community because I don’t agree with her identity. She literally put it on her instagram story so her minions who were also nonbinary were sending me threats. Not fair at all.
Very grateful to have found your content. My goddaughter needs help, advice, facts and information for her very suddenly trans 18 year old, severely physically disabled son. She doesn’t care what he is or isn’t; she loves him unconditionally and can’t seem to do anything right. Cheers from 🇨🇦!
80s/90s had tomboy. I was one. I'm more feminine now but still play sports and help my stepdad when needed in his job or house work. Am and will always he a straight Christian girl too. 😊
Imagine a rich black woman saying that you, white and poor, are more privileged than her. This is a perverse and absolute reversion of the most basic values of progressivism...
We don't let children drive, drink, smoke, get tattoos or piercings, own guns, play with fireworks, join the military... why would we let them make a gender sabotaging decision? We, as PARENTS have responsibility AND authority to guide them.
It's interesting seeing this community debating what a lesbian is now when the term pansexual exists. Just say your pansexual, do they not even know all the terms they made?
I’m so confused why they are trying to make lesbian synonymous with pansexual in the first place. Isn’t lesbian meant to be exclusive in the first place?
They've got these new fancy terms nowadays- androsexual and gynesexual (attraction towards masculine or feminine appearances) but guess what!! Masculinity and femininity are not even skin deep- it's clothes and makeup deep! And that, tbh, should be left in the kink department, because ANYONE can attempt to appear more masculine or feminine depending on their whim. It screams "I haven't actually explored my sexuality, but I'm gonna pretend like did". My personal exploration is going hella slow, but I've had so many friends and family members tell me "don't worry about it. It'll happen when it happens" and I'm fine with letting it come. In fact. I may never have a label and that's okay too. Seeing all the discourse online, I'd rather identify with a mysterious, spooky lamp with ambiguous gender and sexual orientation.
I don't "identify" as anything, I am what I am. This whole identity thing is weird to me, why are these people so desperate to put themselves in a box and slap so many labels on themselves. Just be who you are and chill out.
It baffles me, because she herself made a comment about how we shouldn't be obsessed with labels, yet she seems to be obsessed with labels and "identifying". She needs to practice what she preaches!
Does anybody else remember the size zero, media fuelled, craze? I do. Why are todays influencers different and not responsible for muddying our kids minds?
I thank the stars that my parents aren’t the parents of today, they would have taken me at my word when I said I was non binary or a trans man. I’m JUST a lesbian. Also non men makes me gag it’s so disgusting
Old straight white guy here. I'm poor white trash,where is this privlege everyone is talking about and where can I get me some? This stuff is just insanity. Live your life,work hard,make money. Thats all you have to do.
I hate hate hate the term "Queer" being applied to me or people like me. Because I have been gay-bashed by people using that slur at me. Absolute gaslighting.
I was "touched" as a child. In my child mind boys didnt get touched like that. I wanted to be a boy until i was 16. That was when i started to understand why i thought that way. I told my mom all the time i wanted to be a boy. She told me to wait until i was 18. You dont want to be a boy. Youre confused. But If you still want to be a boy we will figure it out together. That is honest true support.
It's so pathetic that young people of today basically are shouting "I'm more of a victim than you are, no I'm the victim!" Like, when I grew up, people didn't want to feel victimized as some kind of moral superiority. Really victimized people generally don't want to feel that way at all.
People are talking about the constant interrupting but that was an editing choice. If you listen to those who've been a part of these Middle Grounds (from any episode, not just this one), but they edit SO much. They change the order the questions are in, they really cut down on the conversations, change who spoke in what order, etc. Blaire really did a deep dive in it.
as a questioning lesbian (or bisexual, im not sure but anyways i love girls), the new definition for lesbian being "a non-man loving non-man" is so dumb, like no. its wlw, woman loves woman. with the non-man ideology a straight man and a straight woman who are in love could say that they both identify as "non-men" and then that would be considered lesbianism
You can identify as your gender and not follow the stereotypes!! Nonbinary should not be a thing!! Just be your gender and like whatever you like, wear whatever you like!! Girls can hate dresses and dolls, guys can like dresses and makeup, it doesn't matter and no one should care!!
Imagine being ashamed of being a woman... they created and fed every person in history - that still blows my mind. But not as much "chest feeding womb carriers" NOT being hate speech does 😢
"You show up differently than I do" How is this sis showing up, with a ski mask and a rifle? Because it sounds like people treating her differently might be a HER problem, not a skin color problem.
I think this debate proves something I've thought for a while: romantic and sxual attraction should sometimes be discussed separately. When the pink haired woman said she would date a trans woman because she's attracted to feminine energy but doesn't mind either physically, that's homoromantic and bisexual. When the conservative lesbian joined and said she wiuld date trans men because they're female despite being otherwise a man, that's biromantic and homosexual. I think figuring out these labels could make a discussion like this more clear. In every day language it's a bit too long and I'd probably still just call both these women lesbians in casual speech but in a debate I think it could be useful to be more specific. This is also why someone like me (I'm asexual) would still call myself a lesbian because I'm homoromantic.
"Whatever-romantic" is bullcrap. There is no romance possible without physical attraction. And, how does someone having 'feminine energy' have anything to do with "romantic" attraction anyway? Liking feminine people of both sexes, which includes trans women, would make the pink-haired woman bisexual. Femininity/masculinity does not need specifying when talking about sexuality. Liz... can I call you Liz? If you seek a romantic relationship, you're homosexual, Liz. """Asexual homoromanticism"""? Do you mean... friendship? If you desire a female partner that you feel would be more than a close buddy, that's sexual already. You don't need to want to become a tampon and live inside her knickers 24/7 (as His Majesty so eloquently put). People with low to extremely low sex drives exist! Doesn't make you some mythical 4th dimensional being with no sexual attraction.
@@E.V.-il I hope you recover and heal from whatever in your life makes you feel the need to lash out at strangers like this and I'm sorry you don't understand deep, non sexual intimacy.
It's actually a biological fact that your body can get addicted to anything, particularly chemicals and hormones. That means that you can become addicted to that rush you feel when you're angry, or that twist in your gut when you're sad or feel victimized. I think some people who insist on always getting into the drama, always being the victim, have gotten their body hooked on that rush that comes with it. There's a certain euphoric rush you feel when you are offended or angry, my father used to point it out and say 'when you feel this, resist it'. But just like horror junkies want the scare, eternal victims want that offense.
Nowadays communities mean mostly nothing. I used to be in asexual community thinking it was for people who lack sexual attraction, but I was so confused by the insane number of terms they made up to kinda wrap around the lack of sexual attraction that it felt like most people there were not asexual, but somehow just wanted to have this label for reasons I will never understand. I gave up when I read a few posts about how being "hypersexual asexual" or "asexual who enjoys sex 3 times a week" is completely valid asexual experience. It´s not, it´s an absolute nonsense. At this point it´s just non-asexual people who make actuall asexuals feel bad about not enjoying sex and it was supposed to be a community that was about supporting people who don´t enjoy sexual intimacy. Now they even made that into an "identity" and want to be included in LGBT which is another completele bs, because asexuality is not a sexual orientation cause being asexual is about not having sexual attraction.
I left the ace "community" for the same reasons as you. And if we dared say any of this, we'd get torn a new one and be lectured how terrible and hateful and unaccepting or whatever we are. And the amount of labels going on in that community was actually insane. Being near them felt like I was going to catch something from them 😂 Also agree that we shouldn't be in the LGB label, we're a different thing. (And not one that needs to go on about rights, we don't lack rights, it's not like it's illegal to be single lol)
I was SUCH a “tomboy” as a child. Probably until high school. I dressed in sports jerseys, wished I had a gender neutral name, played with toys labeled as “boy” toys, hated dresses, my neighbors were all boys and I played with boys often. I fished, played in the dirt, dressed as a ninja turtle for Halloween. I also had dolls, loved pink, felt like a girl, even if not a traditionally “girlie” one. My dad would call me “his little buddy” and I would pretend to shave my face like him. I was late bloomer and hit puberty late. Had my parents fed into the “oh, you prefer masculine things and activities, you’re different,” who knows what that would have done for my psyche. Instead I developed into a typical teenage girl…maybe later than most….who enjoyed makeup, girlie clothes, and boys. Now I have young children: a daughter and a son. My daughter wants to be like her older brother and very much mimics my childhood experience. She hates dolls, princesses, and being dolled up. But she’s still my little girl. My son has been referred to as “all boy” (which is stupid, but I understand the implication)- he’s rough and tumble, enjoys traditionally “boy” things, but he also paints his toenails with us and is very loving and empathetic, not something little boys have always been taught to be. Kids are kids. Kids explore their environments and options and selves. Let them. They will choose their path as they mature and get to know themselves better. I hate when people put children in boxes and label them. My son has been labeled “ADHD” when in reality he’s physically active, bright, enthusiastic, impulsive. The labels need to stop. Girls can be masculine, boys can wear makeup and it doesn’t have to mean anything. It’s life. They’re living it.
You were spot on about a choice on choosing to be happy or not. I had enough self awareness to observe other people those whom were happy and those whom weren't. I then asked myself which life looks better, happier, more content, at peace, etc. I choose to model those that were happy. Which means I picked up some manorisms that follow me "praying"/"giving thanks/expressing gratitude" before every meal, doing that when I wake up and before bed. If you want to look through the lens of religion then you can say I am religious. I've tried explaining this to my friends that weren't happy, but well they are on their own journey and while I can point at the other paths they ultimately have to choose for themselves what path is the one they will take. YES it is very sad to see friends continue to choose a particular path but that is the whole point of free will. They are free to choose that path no matter how much I agree or not with it. Yes I am gay, but that wasn't really the point, it all has to do with self awareness and choice. It also irritates me to no end when people say how oppressed they are in America being gay, it's like you have a heart beat, try living in another country where you don't even get that. Then they keep insulting me (because that is what children do). TLDR: Moral of the story, be more aware of yourself and your own issues then worrying about how to fix others. Mathew 7:3-5 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
It's so sad to see what this community has become. So much ground was covered to give people of this community rights and respect...and it got highjacked. Not only that but now they are bringing kids into it....makes no sense. I am learning so much by watching people like you and Blaire White. I got so much respect for you guys.
Marcus I just wanted to say before finding Blair Buck, and you I was heavily critical of transgender people because I was seeing the bad side. You Blair and buck have helped me realise that their is infact sane people who are trans. Thank you ❤️
When she said that, she lost me. Like I couldn’t take a word she said seriously after that. It’s like F off, seriously. So you’re not a woman, you’re a non-man? Girl, bye!
As a straight woman, I have no problems with other people being in their own community in which they can relate (LGBTQ etc). I only get concerned when my gender identity that I was born with is being co-opt and dismissed while my real struggles as a born woman are being minimized/ignored. And I mean this also as it pertains to healthcare, my natural lady parts can actually delete me.
5:36 this is terrifying, it’s so true omh!! 💔 if they were truly victims they’d try their best to be positive and happy because we never want anyone to feel like this.
the none man thing killed me but i found part of both sides unsettling. I found it disturbing that your friend votes for trump ngl like she chose to bring that up in the debate and he is one unhinged dude.. and the constant interrupting was tough.
They are acting like the left did with Bernie. They will probably lose, like the left did back then too. It's so frustrating to always be in the middle.
Thank you! I really hate when people idolize a crook and bully like him! Not that there aren't other crooks and bullies in congress and other political parties, but he PRIDED himself on his crookedness and bully habits! That's not a man I want representing our country. Straight up.
Yeah I am just as tired of the woke left as the next guy, but something about Arielle really rubs me the wrong way in these Jubilee videos. She comes off as so combative and disrespectful.
@@stev6963She's probably tired of trying to reason with crazy. The left don't usually debate well, so then it's on the other side to make sense of the circular arguments that are made. She really just wants people to be happy in their own skin - and for them to not demand others to bow to their beliefs. You should watch the whole debate to see why she acts the way she does. Jubilee also isn't neutral in their moderation.
@@LeetoLydia I did watch the full debate, why do you assume I didn’t? I also watched the other one she was on about Feminism and she came off the same way in that video too. The first 30 seconds of that video she demanded someone to define woman and tried to bring LGBT discussion into it when it was completely off topic. I understand why she probably feels tired of debating these people but I’m just saying it comes off in a negative way and doesn’t make her side look much better sometimes.
You could have made a super long video. I would gladly watch two hours of this. These topics can get me so frustrated sometimes but your input always makes me smile.
Wow, Marcus. This monolouge is incredible. I watch all your videos, and i love all of them. But what you said here is especially fierce and poignant and intensely important!! Seriously. Well done. ❤
Marcus, I *loved* your comment about it being all about the fight. I think that's also where a lot of the TRAs came from, after the LGB achieved gay rights. They had no idea what to do with themselves, because they've just been activists their whole life, "fighting against the system", that when there was no long a need for fighting, they were lost. As well as all of the "charities" and other organisations making huge profits over the gay rights fight, they too needed to turn to some new thing to keep the revenue flowing in. It's moved away from actual rights, to money making and/or supporting this "victim mentality" that so many young people seem addicted to.
OMG, I was spacing out a little bit. I heard: "Ask them! Have you ever played with opposite sx toys?". I thought mostly of adults with dysphoria, if you ask them "have you played with toys".... Then I realized Markus was talking about kids. So, he was talking about the 5 yo boys I've seen in kindergartens playing with the kitchen, or my childhood, playing soccer with boys and girls. Children are not playing with opposite sex toys. They are playing. Stop. Leave them kids alone
I played with GI Joe and my brother’s stuff. I come from a large family and he’s closest to my age. I just wanted someone to play with and I didn’t even think there were boy and girl toys. I played basketball, tried to hang with the boys and have always been very feminine. I always wanted to be married and have children. I let my kid’s play with toys as long as they didn’t get hurt. I don’t see toys really being boys and girls. I’m grateful for the country I live in and the life I have.
I’m gen x and we had a very basic wisdom at a young age: if you make your happiness and self-worth contingent on the way somebody else feels about you , you are going to be unhappy. The only person you can count on usually to validate you is you, and that is not a trans gay or straight truth I dressed in jeans, thermals and Doc Martens nearly every day in high school and if somebody made a crack about it, I told them to fuck off and kept going. Who cares what they thought of me I knew who I was. If I didn’t, that I was a much bigger problem with me that I should be worrying about because at least I have the capability to change myself if I want. Standing there and screaming at people to do what you want them to do isn’t as effective as it used to be ladies. Must be frustrating not to have somebody hop to when youmake a demand like before. I look at a few of these people and all I see is my narcissistic dad screaming in a restaurant
Saying “non-man” seems super misogynistic? Why should I define myself just bc whether or not I’m a man? Being a woman is it’s own thing.
Its not a problem with some wanting to be seen as non men, it becomes a problem when they want others to be non men too.
@@Sommer00but it is a problem though. because it’s not specific to them. they’re trying to be so inclusive that it is REGRESSIVE. for example, a dog is a non-man. a tree is a non-man. a car is a non-man. no. you’re either a man or woman, a trans-man or a trans-woman.
This but then what if you ask them what a man is, they can’t answer either. They will say some shit like; “a man is someone who identify as a human male” which isn’t a definition of the word defined is used in the definition lol. Then if we ask what a male is they’ll call use transphobic because we dare try to make them see how dumb they’re being.
Right? I'd argue it's a better thing haha we have our own problems, but, in the USA I wouldn't trade it for the world.
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Ah gotcha, I see what you mean.
I don’t identify as gay. I am gay. Just a small difference in terminology. I never haven’t been gay. When someone says they “identify” as something, it raises a red flag in my head that you’re trying to be something you inherently are not. I AM gay. You “identify” as a bookcase. We are not the same.
Absolutely .. you're right.
These people are horrible.
Same. The term „identify” has become a pick and choose thing.
“Identify as” is the same as saying “pretending to be”.
Just less accurate word choice on purpose to obfuscate and get their way imposed on others.
That's exactly how I feel about people who "use" pronouns. Using she/her pronouns doesn't mean you even identify as female, all it means is that you want people to refer to you as "she". That's not trans.
Excellently put.👌
Identifying as a "non-man" is really the most sexist thing I've ever heard. Basically she is basing her gender identity around men, as if being woman was a bad thing. Plain ridiculousness.
I read it as “I’m down with any label other than man”. 😂
Either way, it’s whack!
@@MiddlePath33So she could be a cat and it wouldn’t be a lie? 🤣 She’s a non-cat too. She’s many, MANY non-things. But what she fails to state, because she knows she can’t do it in a way that supports her weird identification assertion, is what she IS. A human woman. And a human women who is attracted to other human women.
She managed to be both misoginist and misandrist in the same sentence 🤡
Snap! Nailed it
Right? Ultimate denial of women. Horrific this comes from a woman too. Absolutely brainwashed person. I knew years ago why I always swiped No on girls saying they were nonbinary on dating apps.
A woman calling herself a "non-man" is a gross type of internalized misogyny. Makes me want to vomit.
Both misogyny and misandry.
100% 🙌🙌🙌👏👏👏 same!!🤢🤮
@@Robisquick No, it's misogyny, which is hatred for WOMEN; misandry is feeling hate for MEN. By referring to herself as a "non-man", the woman in the video is eliminating the category of "woman" (leaving only the category of "man") and building herself up around men.... htf does that equal a hatred of men (misandry)?
It's a matter of perspective. She could very well be saying with this identity "listen, I adopt a lot of the traits of males, in that I present more masculine and enjoy more masculine things, but I am definitely not a man. I pictured it like a biracial B&W person who because she identifies more with the black culture, and definitely doesn't want anything to do with white culture, she identifies as a non-white biracial.. which coujld point to an internalized issue with the whiteness associated with having white traits.
Honestly, we don't know what her internal beliefs are. She could either be a lesbian woman who is resentful of women and labels herself as a non-man... OR she could be someone who if she didn't hate what men were about, would've simply identified as a trans-man or non-binary between man and woman, but she doesn't wanna gto near what she percieves as the toxic man.
It could be both and we are just speculating if either of us disagrees with the others interpretation.@@amajrae
I perfectly understand where you are coming from with it potentially being internalized disdain for the broad attributes associated with women... but can you understand how it could also be misandry depending on which syllogisms she mightve used to arrive at that label? I'm not arguing this form the position of being an advocate for either camp... just looking for what makes most sense.@@amajrae
Imagine such a clownish world where "non-man", "inverse-masculine", "adjacent-to-man", and "non-testosterone unit" are considered real variations to woman. Oh wait.
when I was younger I always "stole" my brothers toys beceause I was more interested in boy toys. yet i'm still a straight woman. i'm so glad I grew up in a normal household
Yes. I had my father's toys which included a WWI tank model and his coaster wagon. Nobody cared.
I too enjoy boy toys
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I'm a woman and I have two older brothers. I always played with them and I was more interested in boy things growing up. There was a time when I was a little girl and I thought "I wish I was a boy" because I thought that would make it easier for me, since many people thought I was weird. But I told myself that it was ok, that I could be a girl that liked boy things and that was ok.
And now I'm an adult and I'm happy being the straight woman that I am. I'm not very feminine but that's fine, I'm just who I am and want to be. I've never been interested in women, I've always liked men. Tomboys aren't always lesbians or trans.
When I was a kid, I found a couple blocks of wood and wanted to build something, asked my dad for a screwdriver and a some screws. He threatened to wash my mouth out with soap. Ahh, the 60's!
I am a girly girl, and I am terrible at sports and never liked boy toys, so when I had my son, I was worried he’d never be able to have any fun with me. I can’t catch or throw or wrestle or swim and don’t like being wet or dirty or cold. But I decided he could play the things I knew how to play every once in awhile when I really, really couldn’t stand to be outside, so instead of playing ball or camping or hiking, I played “store”, “cooking”, and “tea party” with him. He figured out the sports stuff on his own and taught himself to ride a bike and swim by watching others. He is still very male and very good at sports despite my shortcomings, but if it turned out that he liked tea party more than baseball, I wasn’t going to lose my sh*t over it. 😂
Its a bit funny that this person would define herself as a non-man. It basically means man is the default. Doesn’t seem very liberal or progressive 🤷🏼♀️. Also, the disgust towards being a woman shows a lot of internalised misogyny.
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EXACTLY! I have yet to see a “non binary” man calling himself “non-woman”. Seems like terminology that is exclusive to women with internalized misogyny.
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it's patriarchy 9000!
I experienced symptoms of dysphoria as a teen and after years I realized it was just lots of lots of internalized misogyny and homophobia. I feel for these people but at the same time they cannot just spread misinformation and harm people.
Aside from "bleeders, chest feeders, womb carriers", "Non-man" is the most hardcore attempt at erasing women that I've seen so far. 🤦🏻♂️
It's like 1984 with "ungood".
Except sometimes they're accurate descriptors. Marcus for example was born a woman, but he doesn't have a womb thus cannot menstruate. Like my mom who had a hysterectomy too.
"I believe in including everyone" girl sexual orientation literally exists because not everyone is included
Exactly. Definition exists because it doesn't include everything.
I’m a guy. If I identify as “non-binary” rightnow and I am attracted to only women, does that make me a lesbian? It doesn’t make sense. Imagine if they got a man in this debate on the lesbian liberal side. And he said “oh they included me because I’m nonbinary and I’m a lesbian since I’m attracted to women.”
Jubilee are crazy enough to do it; they had a non-binary trans-person on, so it's definitely possible 😂
Just remember you're brave and stunning 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😂
It's actually a thing for "lesbians" who are attracted to those men demonize actual homosexuals for not wanting to be with feminine men
They’re was actually a man in a lesbian all think the same lol video
According to them yes. Does it actually make you a lesbian no but you can 'identify' as one. To them even if two non-binary biological men in a relationship could identify as a lesbian couple.. Make it make sense..
These people have too much time on their hands
too much time and not enough attention
Too much time and not enough thoughts 🤦🏾♀️
It's not even creative. At least make it interesting if you are going to build this fantasy world. This is why shows that hire activist writers are flopping hard. No talent in creative writing.
@@leegaul2161all these woke writers just feel like tumblr nerds who were obsessed with coffee shop au fanfic five years ago 😂
1st world problems mostly. They need to live in a developing country and they will be all insta cured.
Saying you're a "non-man" is one of the most misogynistic (and by default, homophobic) thing someone can say about themselves. She hates the thought of a woman so much that she can't even say the word to herself?? She'd seriously rather say "non-man"?!?
It never ceases to amaze me how these people are so blind to their own hypocritical ignorances. They are the literal embodiment of every single thing they claim to fight against and they are so frustratingly blind to it.
When you pointed out the expression on that woman's face, I looked at the slowed version again. She actually smiles. She knows she is full of it.
Right? Can’t use the “white privilege” card on someone who’s not even white🙄😂
@@Sunshinex1029 wrong person. Pretty sure they were talking about the white, 'non binary... non-man' thingamajig, not Arielle's ex She was the one Marcus was referring to, re the whole 'eyes' thing.
"Respect me actually means Obey me" 💯💯💯🙌🙌🙌
That one was SO true! Very satisfying.
Amber gives Mr Blossom vibes. Stop r@ce-baiting. Her father is multimillionaire sports athlete. Notice she didnt mention that.
@RaccCity55 Yep
She has nothing better to do.
So she became an activist.
Even rich black people are habitually discriminated against.
@@DariaZainabTdad Give me a break. I don't believe that. I don't have a famous multi-millionaire dad. They all want to play victim instead of looking at their blessings. It's bizarre.
@RaccCity55 "Shehemoth" 😭😭😂😂🤣🤣
I am not sure who was more annoying on the panel, the nonbinary lesbian or Amber the black woman that said privilege so many times that I wanted to scream.
That's their arguments, though. They know nothing else except privilege and oppression :/
Once (or, rather, IF) they realize they were tunnel visionsed, they might realize they can't blanket statement either of those terms onto a person just based on one single trait
She went to a private school or something along them lines. Her dad is a rich nfl player lol.
Amber, definitely
I, a person who made her way all by herself in life without ever reaching significant heights, got verbally attacked by a Black woman in my organization who's a VP, lives in New York City, and makes double or triple my salary. Supposedly, I'm the privileged one, because of my DNA.
"Everyone can be a part of the community, no matter who you are" Yay me as a staight person can be a part of the community "No, if you are staight and identify as such u ar not part of the community."
Wait what but you just said everyone can be part of the community.
I identify as part of the community!
Everything they say and do is hypocritical. We accept everyone, but not then again we don't.
We can just make our own boringly straight community who don't give a flip about other peoples gender identities or sexual orientations. Are you straight? Do you consider yourself aligned with your biological gender? Congratulations, you're now a member. 🥳
@@Nailbunny2702lmao I screamed
I am 63 years old woman and bisexual all my life. When I was young there was lots of stigma related to bisexuality so I lived it more or less undercover, never openly. And today I am actually happy for this privacy and how I used to live my sexuality. I do not want to become a part of this crazy Lynchmob, defying reality and going after people who think different like J.K.Rowling for example. I am happy that my sexuality is mine and I do not need to flaunt it around the Internet in order to give me the feeling I am allive and I count. I think today I might qualify as queer, but I reject their box and do not want to identify over my sexuality. If I identify with somebody then I prefer women like Simone de Beauvoir who ifentified as a philosopher and her sexuality was hers.
When she couldn't pull the race card it made me cackle. 🤣
It's like when they can't hide behind being black, they don't have anything to support their arguement anymore.
I am also a 'non-man'. That is called a 'woman' to us boring normies. I am a privileged straight white woman. It's not something I would say I identify as, it's just the cold, hard facts.
I hate when they play the race card, for whatever reason they forget there are Hispanics, Asians that have it even worse not just because of the skin color but the language barrier.
Same. Just black and these black people get on my nerves playing the race card. It's disgusting
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you cannot define something by its lack of being something else - there is no such thing as a non-man!
a tree?
@@carrieann1640a tree is defined as a specific kind of plant - a tree is not defined as a non-animal.
@@megsley Well, I was trying for a joke, but will you accept that some things are plants and some things are animals, and there are other life forms which don't quite fit the dichotomy?
@@carrieann1640 What dichotomy? If some creature ain't a plant or an animal, then it's something else, like fungi for example. You don't just stop at calling it non-animal and non-plant.
@@megsleyare you being tree-phobic?? Just kidding. I can't believe we're even having conversations about 'non-man'.
I wanna add a piece to the privilege conversation. All too often people ignore one of the most important privileges: socioeconomic privilege.
I’ve noticed the people who tend to ignore this form of privilege the most are those who grew up with or have socioeconomic privilege.
How could Amber even have a conversation about privilege knowing she sat in the lap of luxury?? Some people 🤦🏾♀️
as an european its so wierd to see americans screaming around" check your privileges" ... just super wierd
Agreed. I hope the vast majority of this crazy stays in the states. We are not ready for this.
@@helenetrstrup4817 ha ,they are not ready with our mountain dudes aka the bavarian 🤣🤣🤣
@@StelleenBlack I feel for you, honestly. 😂
At least we can somewhat ignore this in Europe, specifically Denmark where I'm at. Sure, we have LGBT+ and whatsitscalled, but thankfully we don't have a wave of outlandish pronouns sweeping the nation... yet. And they have stopped screaming from the top of their lungs (or people have stopped paying attention to their screaming). Making it marginally more tolerable.
Why cant they just say they are pansexual??? The definition fits them word for word.
Because pansexual isn't a thing lol... It's just bisexual
@@tegandetermann3299I remember seeing on tumblr in 2016 all the chronically online kids saying drag is transphobic towards transwomen - now we should have drag queens twerking in front of 5 year olds! these people are never consistent and constantly move the goalposts.
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@@tegandetermann3299 omg 😱 are you serious 🤣 they said bi-sexual is a homophobic term 😂
Shut the front door 🚪😂
Wow ok I'm just gonna laugh now because I want to cry at the lunacy 😂
@@tegandetermann3299 true, we already have a term that is logical and efficiently descriptive. Pan is just bi dressed in tumblr merch 🤦♀️
Are we honestly supposed to indulge every whim of these people? I can't keep up.
I can't keep up either, so I have given up ages ago. They can do what they want, I prefer to be left alone by these crazy people.
Biggest problem is that if you do actually catch up, they change their demands just to exert more power over everyone. It's a no win situation, by design.
honestly I want an in depth study on the psychology of people like this' minds.. no seriously, it would be interesting.
I remember years ago there was this account I followed on instagram and one of the people that ran it said she was a lesbian but then in the same sentence she would say she’s going on a date with her boyfriend…? Like… what?
I might be some broken feminist (for these people yeah, probably, I'm not a 'third-wave', not intersectionalist) but referring to women as 'non-men' is the most misogynistic shit I've heard in a while.
As a lesbian I cannot stand the term “non-man” why center it around men?? My other friends who are also lesbian hate it too. Even my therapist who grew up with 2 moms said she never heard of that, said it sounds misogynistic. I don’t see people saying “non woman” for a gay man.
Sometimes i feel they forget they are at a debate . if you say something you have to be prepared to back it up with facts.ESPECIALLY if you are pointing the finger and saying someone is ( fill in the blank) you have to provide proof otherwise your just gaining another enemy.
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Ideally it's not even a debate, it's a middle ground. Where both sides present evidence, share their experiences, and LISTEN. Unfortunately these middle grounds have turned more and more into lecturing and arguing.
@@jellyrcw12 I see what you mean but I think they just CALL it middle ground. There's no way to have strong opposing views without debating them. And I don't mean fighting. But simply how you described it. You can't say things as facts without some element of proof.
Well I do think there are major differences between how some of them are moderated and the general tone of those who attended. The skinny vs fat one was pretty chill, and the liberal vs conservative gay one was better sourced and shared. @@angelabowers4914
That 4/5 kids PROPERLY diagnosed with dysphoria are cured by puberty says 80% would be harmed by blockers. But it's worth it to lock them into your group huh.
They're not under attack, they're upset that people push back on THEIR attack - at least we're not motivated by selfishness - WE care about the harm they're doing 😢
I was very dysphoric for many years on end before I came to terms with myself and understood the roots of these feelings. If I was living in the West, I would have been castrated years ago... Scary to think how people are led to harm themselves like this.
Wonderful comment!
Poor Marcus here was in the 1/5 who didn't grow out of his gender dysphoria.
He learned that through maturing to age 20. If he fell in the 4/5 and did puberty blockers how would he ever know if nature would have taken care of his gender disphoria?
I’ll be totally honest, I hated my body growing up, I wanted to stay the same. But now I eventually got down to it and figured out why I was feeling the way I was, and it helped me accept myself, now I’m comfortable in my own body. Being a woman isn’t all bad, and it’s sad to think these women are basically shaming others and distancing themselves from being too feminine because they either think it’s weakness or something bad.
It's always been known, and even discussed in federal hearings that you can watch on UA-cam, that the collateral damage of medically/hormonally altering kids is MUCH bigger than any help that the alterations provide. That's all anyone needs to know.
You're right about people choosing to be miserable and angry. I think it's more or less a symptom of never having found meaning in life. Happy people find meaning in their relationships, their work, their religion, but some of these people just have nothing to live for except for fighting against some imaginary evil force. Without it, they have nothing. It's sad, honestly.
Marcus, you're such an amazing voice of reason for the lgbt community. Ive been openly gay since I was 15 and I'm almost 40. I never thought my activism in my 20s would lead to the insanity we're seeing today. Thank you for what you do, pushing back on the lunacy and protecting kids...mostly gay kidswho are being sterilized.
Spot on again Marcus👍❤️ I’d love a part two, I can’t watch those shows because I get physically upset with the insanity! Thank you for being such a great voice ❤❤❤ from AK
Me too! I just know I’ll get too upset
How funny would it have been if the Shaniah Twain song "Man, I Feel Like a Woman" had been playing in the background while the "non-man" was talking?
hearing "non binary lesbian" always kills my brain cells
I loathe the "trans nonbinary" label it's literally a contradiction in itself
Negative Legends did a ama vid and I just ughhhh
The stretches and reaches to be "oppressed" are so... how do I put it... cringe... infuriating.
There are no laws against them but they oppose laws that protect children, therefore they're being oppressed... when will this end... 🙄
“Non-man” ….i am going to go pray now. Only God can fix it now.
Well, God gave us free will, didn't he?
The non-man "stuff" really takes me back to my younger years where any display of feminine traits by boys/men were castigated as "You're not a man", "Act like a man". Where most thought being gay/lesbian was a choice. We had come so far as a country to where that kind of thinking was confined to a tiny segment on the far right. To see it come back even stronger and from those who claim to be in the community is just crazy to me.
I think nonbinary and gender fluid is absolutely ridiculous. I miss the term androgynous.
I mean that’s basically what it is, there is no such thing as nonbinary it’s just another confusing and stupid label that if you disagree with those who align with it will try to shut you down and silence you. A 25 year old WOMAN who identified as “nonbinary” told me to leave the community because I don’t agree with her identity. She literally put it on her instagram story so her minions who were also nonbinary were sending me threats. Not fair at all.
I agree. Androgynous is an adjective, not a label. Non-binary is a useless BS label.
Very grateful to have found your content. My goddaughter needs help, advice, facts and information for her very suddenly trans 18 year old, severely physically disabled son. She doesn’t care what he is or isn’t; she loves him unconditionally and can’t seem to do anything right. Cheers from 🇨🇦!
I didn’t play with dolls or trucks, I played with an assortment of rubber lizards. I was a weird kid, but also still a female
80s/90s had tomboy. I was one. I'm more feminine now but still play sports and help my stepdad when needed in his job or house work. Am and will always he a straight Christian girl too. 😊
Imagine a rich black woman saying that you, white and poor, are more privileged than her.
This is a perverse and absolute reversion of the most basic values of progressivism...
Yeah, white privilege doesn't exist, we just suffer “less” racism, and that's it.
We don't let children drive, drink, smoke, get tattoos or piercings, own guns, play with fireworks, join the military... why would we let them make a gender sabotaging decision? We, as PARENTS have responsibility AND authority to guide them.
If you are a non-man then I am a non eraser, a non bed, a non bathtub and a non cat. What a terrible way to present yourself. Such RIDICULOUSNESS!!!
It's interesting seeing this community debating what a lesbian is now when the term pansexual exists. Just say your pansexual, do they not even know all the terms they made?
I’m so confused why they are trying to make lesbian synonymous with pansexual in the first place. Isn’t lesbian meant to be exclusive in the first place?
that's cause pansexuality isn't oppressive enough for them, and they think being a lesbian is cooler
They've got these new fancy terms nowadays- androsexual and gynesexual (attraction towards masculine or feminine appearances) but guess what!! Masculinity and femininity are not even skin deep- it's clothes and makeup deep! And that, tbh, should be left in the kink department, because ANYONE can attempt to appear more masculine or feminine depending on their whim.
It screams "I haven't actually explored my sexuality, but I'm gonna pretend like did". My personal exploration is going hella slow, but I've had so many friends and family members tell me "don't worry about it. It'll happen when it happens" and I'm fine with letting it come. In fact. I may never have a label and that's okay too. Seeing all the discourse online, I'd rather identify with a mysterious, spooky lamp with ambiguous gender and sexual orientation.
It’s BIsexual, not pansexual. Dumbass. You probably can’t even define wtf a women is, then 🤷🏽♂️
@TooCoolforCardithis. Just say bisexual
I don't "identify" as anything, I am what I am. This whole identity thing is weird to me, why are these people so desperate to put themselves in a box and slap so many labels on themselves. Just be who you are and chill out.
Exactly. They just need to get a personality and move on.
It baffles me, because she herself made a comment about how we shouldn't be obsessed with labels, yet she seems to be obsessed with labels and "identifying". She needs to practice what she preaches!
Like….so basically they are saying that a man is default, and women are a subcategory. These people are so misogynistic, it’s insane.
Does anybody else remember the size zero, media fuelled, craze? I do. Why are todays influencers different and not responsible for muddying our kids minds?
I thank the stars that my parents aren’t the parents of today, they would have taken me at my word when I said I was non binary or a trans man. I’m JUST a lesbian. Also non men makes me gag it’s so disgusting
Old straight white guy here. I'm poor white trash,where is this privlege everyone is talking about and where can I get me some? This stuff is just insanity. Live your life,work hard,make money. Thats all you have to do.
I hate hate hate the term "Queer" being applied to me or people like me.
Because I have been gay-bashed by people using that slur at me.
Absolute gaslighting.
Me too.
Are gay men going to call themselves 'non women' who love 'non women'? .... I don't think so.
This is beyond ridiculous.
I was "touched" as a child. In my child mind boys didnt get touched like that. I wanted to be a boy until i was 16. That was when i started to understand why i thought that way. I told my mom all the time i wanted to be a boy. She told me to wait until i was 18. You dont want to be a boy. Youre confused. But If you still want to be a boy we will figure it out together. That is honest true support.
It's so pathetic that young people of today basically are shouting "I'm more of a victim than you are, no I'm the victim!"
Like, when I grew up, people didn't want to feel victimized as some kind of moral superiority. Really victimized people generally don't want to feel that way at all.
EXACTLY!
People are talking about the constant interrupting but that was an editing choice. If you listen to those who've been a part of these Middle Grounds (from any episode, not just this one), but they edit SO much. They change the order the questions are in, they really cut down on the conversations, change who spoke in what order, etc. Blaire really did a deep dive in it.
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Didn't expect to burst into tears watching this video. Thank you for seeing us. Am Yisrael Chai ❤
as a questioning lesbian (or bisexual, im not sure but anyways i love girls), the new definition for lesbian being "a non-man loving non-man" is so dumb, like no. its wlw, woman loves woman. with the non-man ideology a straight man and a straight woman who are in love could say that they both identify as "non-men" and then that would be considered lesbianism
You can identify as your gender and not follow the stereotypes!! Nonbinary should not be a thing!! Just be your gender and like whatever you like, wear whatever you like!! Girls can hate dresses and dolls, guys can like dresses and makeup, it doesn't matter and no one should care!!
i love when my own “community” invalidates us 🥰🥰
Imagine being ashamed of being a woman... they created and fed every person in history - that still blows my mind.
But not as much "chest feeding womb carriers" NOT being hate speech does 😢
It seems like a certain lady wanted to say "your melanin doesn't show up like mine does".
"You show up differently than I do" How is this sis showing up, with a ski mask and a rifle? Because it sounds like people treating her differently might be a HER problem, not a skin color problem.
I think this debate proves something I've thought for a while: romantic and sxual attraction should sometimes be discussed separately. When the pink haired woman said she would date a trans woman because she's attracted to feminine energy but doesn't mind either physically, that's homoromantic and bisexual. When the conservative lesbian joined and said she wiuld date trans men because they're female despite being otherwise a man, that's biromantic and homosexual. I think figuring out these labels could make a discussion like this more clear. In every day language it's a bit too long and I'd probably still just call both these women lesbians in casual speech but in a debate I think it could be useful to be more specific.
This is also why someone like me (I'm asexual) would still call myself a lesbian because I'm homoromantic.
"Whatever-romantic" is bullcrap. There is no romance possible without physical attraction. And, how does someone having 'feminine energy' have anything to do with "romantic" attraction anyway? Liking feminine people of both sexes, which includes trans women, would make the pink-haired woman bisexual. Femininity/masculinity does not need specifying when talking about sexuality.
Liz... can I call you Liz? If you seek a romantic relationship, you're homosexual, Liz. """Asexual homoromanticism"""? Do you mean... friendship?
If you desire a female partner that you feel would be more than a close buddy, that's sexual already. You don't need to want to become a tampon and live inside her knickers 24/7 (as His Majesty so eloquently put). People with low to extremely low sex drives exist! Doesn't make you some mythical 4th dimensional being with no sexual attraction.
@@E.V.-il I hope you recover and heal from whatever in your life makes you feel the need to lash out at strangers like this and I'm sorry you don't understand deep, non sexual intimacy.
It's actually a biological fact that your body can get addicted to anything, particularly chemicals and hormones. That means that you can become addicted to that rush you feel when you're angry, or that twist in your gut when you're sad or feel victimized. I think some people who insist on always getting into the drama, always being the victim, have gotten their body hooked on that rush that comes with it. There's a certain euphoric rush you feel when you are offended or angry, my father used to point it out and say 'when you feel this, resist it'. But just like horror junkies want the scare, eternal victims want that offense.
Nowadays communities mean mostly nothing. I used to be in asexual community thinking it was for people who lack sexual attraction, but I was so confused by the insane number of terms they made up to kinda wrap around the lack of sexual attraction that it felt like most people there were not asexual, but somehow just wanted to have this label for reasons I will never understand. I gave up when I read a few posts about how being "hypersexual asexual" or "asexual who enjoys sex 3 times a week" is completely valid asexual experience. It´s not, it´s an absolute nonsense. At this point it´s just non-asexual people who make actuall asexuals feel bad about not enjoying sex and it was supposed to be a community that was about supporting people who don´t enjoy sexual intimacy. Now they even made that into an "identity" and want to be included in LGBT which is another completele bs, because asexuality is not a sexual orientation cause being asexual is about not having sexual attraction.
I left the ace "community" for the same reasons as you. And if we dared say any of this, we'd get torn a new one and be lectured how terrible and hateful and unaccepting or whatever we are. And the amount of labels going on in that community was actually insane. Being near them felt like I was going to catch something from them 😂
Also agree that we shouldn't be in the LGB label, we're a different thing. (And not one that needs to go on about rights, we don't lack rights, it's not like it's illegal to be single lol)
I was SUCH a “tomboy” as a child. Probably until high school. I dressed in sports jerseys, wished I had a gender neutral name, played with toys labeled as “boy” toys, hated dresses, my neighbors were all boys and I played with boys often. I fished, played in the dirt, dressed as a ninja turtle for Halloween. I also had dolls, loved pink, felt like a girl, even if not a traditionally “girlie” one. My dad would call me “his little buddy” and I would pretend to shave my face like him. I was late bloomer and hit puberty late. Had my parents fed into the “oh, you prefer masculine things and activities, you’re different,” who knows what that would have done for my psyche. Instead I developed into a typical teenage girl…maybe later than most….who enjoyed makeup, girlie clothes, and boys.
Now I have young children: a daughter and a son. My daughter wants to be like her older brother and very much mimics my childhood experience. She hates dolls, princesses, and being dolled up. But she’s still my little girl. My son has been referred to as “all boy” (which is stupid, but I understand the implication)- he’s rough and tumble, enjoys traditionally “boy” things, but he also paints his toenails with us and is very loving and empathetic, not something little boys have always been taught to be. Kids are kids. Kids explore their environments and options and selves. Let them. They will choose their path as they mature and get to know themselves better. I hate when people put children in boxes and label them. My son has been labeled “ADHD” when in reality he’s physically active, bright, enthusiastic, impulsive. The labels need to stop. Girls can be masculine, boys can wear makeup and it doesn’t have to mean anything. It’s life. They’re living it.
You were spot on about a choice on choosing to be happy or not. I had enough self awareness to observe other people those whom were happy and those whom weren't. I then asked myself which life looks better, happier, more content, at peace, etc. I choose to model those that were happy. Which means I picked up some manorisms that follow me "praying"/"giving thanks/expressing gratitude" before every meal, doing that when I wake up and before bed. If you want to look through the lens of religion then you can say I am religious.
I've tried explaining this to my friends that weren't happy, but well they are on their own journey and while I can point at the other paths they ultimately have to choose for themselves what path is the one they will take. YES it is very sad to see friends continue to choose a particular path but that is the whole point of free will. They are free to choose that path no matter how much I agree or not with it.
Yes I am gay, but that wasn't really the point, it all has to do with self awareness and choice. It also irritates me to no end when people say how oppressed they are in America being gay, it's like you have a heart beat, try living in another country where you don't even get that. Then they keep insulting me (because that is what children do).
TLDR: Moral of the story, be more aware of yourself and your own issues then worrying about how to fix others. Mathew 7:3-5 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
That Amber Lady So so sad . Spoiled by papa’s money ?
Actually one of the Green parties toyed with the idea of calling all women, non men. Delia Morris
the "Am Israel Chai" you snuck in there🥺🥺 I'm subscribing now for sure
It's so sad to see what this community has become. So much ground was covered to give people of this community rights and respect...and it got highjacked. Not only that but now they are bringing kids into it....makes no sense. I am learning so much by watching people like you and Blaire White. I got so much respect for you guys.
2:33 A Non-Binary Lesbian? So, if you don’t identify as a woman…how are you a lesbian? (could there be a MORE contradictory title? 🤦♀️)
Exactly. Wth is nonbinary?
I will never respect people like that, those who play the victim card.
I was going to mention those eyes are dead crazy.
"Am Israel Chai!" OMG I love you!!! ❤
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Thank you for standing with the Jewish people. Speaking as a gay Israeli Jew, I'm so glad I found your channel
Reminder: stating facts doesnt make you any kind of phobic. You are not responsible for somebody elses feelings and mental heath states.
A non man, what a way to demean yourself and other women.
Marcus I just wanted to say before finding Blair Buck, and you I was heavily critical of transgender people because I was seeing the bad side. You Blair and buck have helped me realise that their is infact sane people who are trans. Thank you ❤️
When she said that, she lost me. Like I couldn’t take a word she said seriously after that. It’s like F off, seriously.
So you’re not a woman, you’re a non-man? Girl, bye!
They must be the ones whom will welcome the MAP .. minor attracted person with open arms into our community
As a straight woman, I have no problems with other people being in their own community in which they can relate (LGBTQ etc). I only get concerned when my gender identity that I was born with is being co-opt and dismissed while my real struggles as a born woman are being minimized/ignored. And I mean this also as it pertains to healthcare, my natural lady parts can actually delete me.
5:36 this is terrifying, it’s so true omh!! 💔 if they were truly victims they’d try their best to be positive and happy because we never want anyone to feel like this.
She really has those crazy eyes😂😳
the none man thing killed me but i found part of both sides unsettling. I found it disturbing that your friend votes for trump ngl like she chose to bring that up in the debate and he is one unhinged dude.. and the constant interrupting was tough.
They are acting like the left did with Bernie. They will probably lose, like the left did back then too. It's so frustrating to always be in the middle.
Thank you! I really hate when people idolize a crook and bully like him! Not that there aren't other crooks and bullies in congress and other political parties, but he PRIDED himself on his crookedness and bully habits! That's not a man I want representing our country. Straight up.
Yeah I am just as tired of the woke left as the next guy, but something about Arielle really rubs me the wrong way in these Jubilee videos. She comes off as so combative and disrespectful.
@@stev6963She's probably tired of trying to reason with crazy. The left don't usually debate well, so then it's on the other side to make sense of the circular arguments that are made.
She really just wants people to be happy in their own skin - and for them to not demand others to bow to their beliefs.
You should watch the whole debate to see why she acts the way she does.
Jubilee also isn't neutral in their moderation.
@@LeetoLydia I did watch the full debate, why do you assume I didn’t? I also watched the other one she was on about Feminism and she came off the same way in that video too. The first 30 seconds of that video she demanded someone to define woman and tried to bring LGBT discussion into it when it was completely off topic. I understand why she probably feels tired of debating these people but I’m just saying it comes off in a negative way and doesn’t make her side look much better sometimes.
You could have made a super long video. I would gladly watch two hours of this. These topics can get me so frustrated sometimes but your input always makes me smile.
This non-man is making my head spin.
Future sexual function is what was robbed from my beloved.
‘94 op.
Value and protect the babies.
That Israel/Islam diss
Omg this is why I love you my dear
Wow, Marcus. This monolouge is incredible. I watch all your videos, and i love all of them. But what you said here is especially fierce and poignant and intensely important!! Seriously. Well done. ❤
You can be a leftist and still sane. This is not a left vs right issue, it's more sane vs non-sane.
Thank you, many have no idea how many liberals are also fed up with the Gender/pronouns BS also want to protect children from the BS.
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Marcus, I *loved* your comment about it being all about the fight. I think that's also where a lot of the TRAs came from, after the LGB achieved gay rights. They had no idea what to do with themselves, because they've just been activists their whole life, "fighting against the system", that when there was no long a need for fighting, they were lost. As well as all of the "charities" and other organisations making huge profits over the gay rights fight, they too needed to turn to some new thing to keep the revenue flowing in. It's moved away from actual rights, to money making and/or supporting this "victim mentality" that so many young people seem addicted to.
I appreciate you and the reality you spread through your channel!
OMG, I was spacing out a little bit. I heard: "Ask them! Have you ever played with opposite sx toys?". I thought mostly of adults with dysphoria, if you ask them "have you played with toys".... Then I realized Markus was talking about kids. So, he was talking about the 5 yo boys I've seen in kindergartens playing with the kitchen, or my childhood, playing soccer with boys and girls.
Children are not playing with opposite sex toys. They are playing. Stop. Leave them kids alone
I wish you would've been on the trans panel. You're so well spoken.
I played with GI Joe and my brother’s stuff. I come from a large family and he’s closest to my age. I just wanted someone to play with and I didn’t even think there were boy and girl toys. I played basketball, tried to hang with the boys and have always been very feminine. I always wanted to be married and have children. I let my kid’s play with toys as long as they didn’t get hurt. I don’t see toys really being boys and girls. I’m grateful for the country I live in and the life I have.
I appreciate you doing this ❤
Normal thinking people dont self identify. You are who you are
I’m gen x and we had a very basic wisdom at a young age: if you make your happiness and self-worth contingent on the way somebody else feels about you , you are going to be unhappy.
The only person you can count on usually to validate you is you, and that is not a trans gay or straight truth
I dressed in jeans, thermals and Doc Martens nearly every day in high school and if somebody made a crack about it, I told them to fuck off and kept going. Who cares what they thought of me I knew who I was.
If I didn’t, that I was a much bigger problem with me that I should be worrying about because at least I have the capability to change myself if I want.
Standing there and screaming at people to do what you want them to do isn’t as effective as it used to be ladies.
Must be frustrating not to have somebody hop to when youmake a demand like before.
I look at a few of these people and all I see is my narcissistic dad screaming in a restaurant
Narcissistic people have come out of the woodwork. Never have I've seen so many people like that.