i see a head 2 head video and click immediately because i know these guys do it right. i've already chose my table saw but sometimes i just want to see the test scenarios and jigs they use.
Glad to see this test. I’m currently using a 20ish year old dewalt 10” saw which still gets the job done but is bigger and heavier than needed most of the time. I’ve been looking at the M18 and glad to see it did well in the test. Thanks for taking the time to do these head to heads!
You guys are the ones that could solve the mystery nobody seems to have tested. I wish someone would test the performance difference on the Milwaukee table saw with the new Forge batteries. Comparing the 12.0 HD vs 12.0 Forge. I always enjoy your very well put together videos and look forward to the head to head comparison. Thank you for putting in all the work for us.
The best tool testing crew on the internet.👏👏👏 I would say for most construction workers these saw will be purchased on the basis of what battery platform you are on.
I know it must take a ton of time and effort to make these comparison videos, but know that there are many of us tradesmen who really take your results to heart when buying equipment you've tested. Thank you so much for all of your videos! You guys have the added benefit of working in the trades for decades, which gives you that extra edge when testing.
Your team consistently has the most comprehensive, thorough, and fair head-to-head testing I have found. The amount of time, effort, and thought you all put in to these tests is impressive and much appreciated. You guys are the best. Thank you so much.
I had the dewalt, because they were the only one available at the time. Eventually sold it and got the M18. Mainly cause that's the battery platform I use and it got annoying having a separate charger for the one tool. You can get the M18 dialed in super accurate. I'm a finish guy, and I have a boatload of festool stuff. But I can't see myself dishing out for that table saw.
As always, a fantastic job guys. Cant click fast enough. All your reviews are spot on- informative and professional. Much much appreciated. Hard to beat the Dewalt- i dont have the cordless- but the OG Dewalt is hard to beat- that fence was a game changer for us !!! But i do have to say-Makita has been my platform for many many years. I am over being disappointed with them and their lack of acknowledgement to their community- so when my batteries start to fail- i have zero problem changing platforms. Quality of life has moved up the ladder…too many good platforms out there now… thanks guys !! Take care out there 🙏🙏
@@thefingerwitch thanks for commenting! I’m disappointed MAKITA hasn’t stayed in the game and co e out with a tablesaw too. My first ever power tools were all MAKITA. I had the sidewinder, stick drill, tablesaw (with the turn knob fence) and old school chops AW.
Exactly. It’s been a game change for me (trim carpenter, I don’t rip construction lumber nor plywood). This thing has been a game changer for me. Far more accurate than miter saw for smaller work pieces. An order of magnitude better for crosscutting than miter gauge with any job site saw I’ve used. Ergonomics has been a win too. Less important but job site setup/tear down/cleanup is a time (and money) thing. Wouldn’t be my choice for construction but then not my primary use. Previously I pretty much only used my job site saw (dewalt) for ripping trim.
@@mikespray2002 I’m exactly in the same boat, First couple days I had it on a porch trim out, went to cut some column base trim on my miter saw, then thought “oh wait, let’s try the slider” 😊 Bangin
Most professional tool testing comparison and review on the internet . It is always a pleasure to watch .... i'd love to see a refresh of best 12 inch cordless miter saw comparison , including the new Flex an Metabo Hpt. ...keep up the good work.
Thanks so much for another brilliant test, comparison. I'm deciding between the Festool or the Bosch, as I'm on both batteries and 95% finish work. Festool it so expensive, and I can't get the Bosch in NZ, but can get from Amazon, at 1/3 of the price of the Festool. Surprised the Bosch was lighter, my main ideal.
Huge thanks to the whole team for this evaluation. That was a ton of work, and it was all done very well. It’s interesting to see Flex did so well, but not surprising really. Flex seems to know their market well and builds quality tools for their users. Thanks again for the video!
Excellent comparison, I am glad I got my milwaukee m18 table saw as soon as it came out, all of my coworkers and other contractors are impressed by the power , portability and features on it, keep up the good work.
My favorite channel for tools comparisons. You guys do it based on facts and go deep. I like that. I’ve been a subscriber for a while already and purchased many of the winners of your comparisons and have been using them with great succes. Thanks for what you do. Too bad Makita is too late to the party. I really wonder what their XGT version of the table saw would look like. I’m heavily invested in XGT and I don’t want to buy a table saw before I see what they come up with.
Good video. 2 things not mentioned that might be important to some are 1) dado set compatibility and 2) number of miter slots. Having 2 slots is better for jigs/sleds.
@@ConcordCarpenteri have 45 degrees sledss for window trim, thats also why i want to change away from the dewalt and go to the hikoki/metabo hpt, or the german Metabo.
@@masterpoolcat Dewalt has slowly and quietly started introducing a new model in most markets that has 2 miter slots. No idea why they don’t ever talk about it. There are a few other minor design changes, but I imagine the motor is the same. If you look at newer videos from the last year, especially from England/UK, you’ll see some that have 2 miter slots.
Not in the market for a cordless table saw but had to watch. I'm not familiar with Flex as a brand so this was a shot out of the dark. I also expected Festool to rank better (on the table flatness the slider has to be a wee bit higher to function properly so I'll question your procedure in that one case) and the only one with a sliding table makes it a bit unique: Odd man out in this crowd. Great work! Much appreciated. Now if only Sawstop will make a cordless........
Awesome tests, thank you sir. I've really loved my DeWalt for the 4+ years I've ran it but I've been eyeballing the Flex since release. It looks stout and well thought out. I'd never need the light on the fence but it's cool nonetheless. The cutsense feature may be worth a mention although I assume I'd just override it more often than not. When I go for another saw I'd say Flex is on the wishlist but there's currently way too high of an entry cost for anyone not heavily invested in the platform. $750 for the saw+ battery, $100 stand, $330 per battery, and $200 for the adapter. You're at $1,500 after tax. Maybe $1,650 if you nix the adapter and just go for a third battery. Obviously the same can be said about most brands if you don't own any of the batteries but if it's pushing $2k to be jobsite capable then I think I'll just wait for a 2nd gen DeWalt.
Most of these table saws need an update. The Dewalt is ~8 years old, M18 needs to go dual battery (now that they're not averse to it), and an XGT version would be nice. Not sure if enough get sold to warrant much competition, though. There's usually only 2-5 in stock at the tool stores (including corded) versus ~20 mitre saws
Great video! I was hoping my festool would stack up better but I know it has flaws. I might need a Milwaukee backup. Don’t think it was brought up but the festool goes to 45 the opposite direction from the traditional, still can’t get used to that
The Metabo HPT saw has a cool feature that allows you to use an ac adapter and plug into a receptacle. I'm not sure if any other brand has that feature...🤷♂️
Well I hoping to replace my Dewalt with the Metabo, but I guess not. I’ve really been looking forward to this video. Thanks for the awesome work you guys do.
Hello Rob, I think that you should not have included the Festool saw in this category. It was never designed to be a construction saw. The other 5 were. It was designed to be used by the finish carpenter who uses the entire system to make a living. Therefore it didn't compete well against the others and it didn't look good. It wasn't supposed to. Just my 2 cents.
@@davids8493 David, we struggled with that as well, but if we had not put it in, we would have others calling us out for not including it. So we included it in our testing, and we tried to explain along the way the quality of the saw as well drawbacks. At the end of the day, it is a cordless tablesaw and people want to know about it if they’re considering buying one
I have the M18 table saw but i would love to see an update. Dual battery with an option to go corded. I would also like to see some other Milwaukee branded accessories like a better fence
I have had the Milwaukee since it came out. Previously used many dewalts since they designed the rack & pinon fence. Millwaukee literally copied the Dewalts great features and just made everything else so use intuitive and enjoyable to use. Every time I use the saw years later I still have a feeling of enjoying the tool. I think it is Millwaukee’s best designed cordless tool. One tip for improving cut speed is I use the 7-1/4” Diablo framing blades for framing and most of my work. I only use the 8-1/4” for fine finish or scribing. The 7-1/4” thinner kerf makes a large difference on the saw.
Clint from Tool Review Zone: Where are all your FLEX Tool haters? Where is your negative response to a better tool product, competition that makes the industry better for us? I guess Barnaby and Mike the plumber was onto something.
I just purchased and used the new FLEX 8-1/4” table saw yesterday. I love the power, runtime, folding side table, and LED light on the fence. While not included with the saw, the optional AC to DC power adapter is great for when you have access to a receptacle. It’s nice to have the option to plug it in if your battery dies, or you are going to be setup and working on a project for a while.
Would highly recommend this saw? If you had to make the purchase again, would you go with FLEX again? Which battery did you use? What's the run time like.
I agree it's a great back up but most of us in the trades have multiple batteries. We just swap out the battery - less items to carry and store that way
@@rickyperkins232 yes, I recommend the FLEX table saw. I am happy with the FLEX ecosystem - great tools, batteries, and chargers. The only negative is that some of the tools are a little bit on the heavier side, but that is typically due to the build quality, which uses more metal over plastics. I had used the 10 Ah Stack Lithium battery. I am not sure of the total runtime as I did not deplete the battery with the cuts I needed to do for my project. However, it did last me the entire day.
@ErikAsquith Dude, I hear you, i listen to you, and here we go. I picked up a 23, 18, and 16 gauge nailer. In a few weeks, I will pick up the miter and table saw as 21° well as the nailer.
@@ConcordCarpenter Good to hear - probably depends on the battery capacity/use of course. I've been on the fence with a cordless table saw but that can wait for now.
@@ConcordCarpenter only problem i have is when i put a thin blade on it the blade flexes like crazy .. i just keep a diablo 40 tooth thick blade on it all times 😞 works Amazing ✌🏽
Unpopular opinion the sliding table on the Festool should be slightly higher than the fixed portion so that things don't drag on the fixed table and lead to inaccuracy. How much should it be elevated by I'm not sure.
J'ai le milwaukee et je l'aime bien , avant j'ai eu le dewalt mais certaines chose me gossais , la puissance qui baisse quand la batterie est un peu utiliser et la lame est longue a monter .. le bosch semble tres interessant 👍
@ you just read the flex power tool owner review from Lowe’s or check the UA-cam review. Their batteries leaked out chemicals specially in hot weather conditions.
@alanlau2375 they fix the problem over a year and half ago. FLEX had the issue fix within 30 days and warranty all the issue. Please correct your statement because the only 2 batteries affected was some of the 2.5 & 5.0 amp hour lithium ion batteries.
I feel like Flex is not appreciated enough. I always hear about the weight but I never had a problem with them when using them. I wish we would get the Bosch stuff that comes out in the uk and elsewhere. They get way cooler stuff
If you're buy a saw, cordless or not, it all needs to be checked and set up before use, things happen once that saw has left factory. It could be out of adjustment just from transport, not manufactures fault . It should also be checked periodically to make sure it hasn't gone out from moving job site to job site.
100% agree but I also work in the trades and have seen many a saw unboxed and put into service - especially when a saw dies in the middle of the project, and someone runs out to get z new one
I’m a big fan of Festool. Their saw has tons of potential but fell short. The saw was borderline unacceptable. I expect better from Festool especially at that MSRP.
7:11 I’m sorry, but I don’t use Diablo blades anymore b/c they just are not as accurate as other saw blades I’ve noticed over decades of using and I’ll spend the extra money and upgrade my miter and table saw blades with a precision brand if a contractor and or finish carpenter, ya know brands meaning) and especially like that when doing this….able to send in or harden myself to prolong a good blade. Yes, they are not cheap costing like Diablo but ya get what pay for imo like this comment. And if wondering, I made this switch 5 years ago and have bought less saws yearly, and as blades have retained “sharpness”/“durability” longer/better imo, again from using….. Thx for these vids, very useful and I run metabo hpt miter (w/ mods) and table saws as my 1st choice b/c like 36v and ability to plug into AC power.
@ Wanted to say that Diablo isn’t a bad brand. Diablo is really easy to get when we’d need new blade fast, and I did use them exclusively for years. Do know that you can’t (least I probably wouldn’t) buy $150+ blades for testing, as that would be expensive and not everyone would do or want to go that route……so understand testing practices and purpose of videos. Some of the go to brands for Industrial Saw Blades I like to use are (in no order): FS Tool, Ridge Carbide, Tenryu, Whiteside, Forrest. Love channel and vids, so thx and have good one
Most Pro contractors simply change the battery. For me 1 or 2 batteries get me through the day, sometimes a few days. Have you seen the Metabo HPT cord- its bulky and has a huge "brick-like" box attached to it. Pro's want portability - if were camping on a jobsite for months then I drag out my 10" corded saw and hook it up to a dedicated vac.where it will live for the erntire job.
I love how you stop talking when describing the fence removal on the Festool and you go"I don't know", it's like you're thinking it is a shit way of doing it, not practical and crazy expensive and they come up with unique designs instead of using rack and pinion.
I like my Festool sys50 a lot! Same for my cordless Milwaukee. Different job applications for both. For finish work I’d want my Festool that sliding table is awesome for detail work. I use my Milwaukee for small jobs but honestly for any bigger framing jobs I roll out my 10” Bosch. Would like to see Milwaukee come out with dual battery 10” with rolling stand
A case for SawStop (corded): SawStop sells for $899. Compare this to $300 for a corded DeWalt or $609 for DeWalt Cordless (incl. battery). Add $183 for a folding stand (Both saws need stands). This equates to the SawStop feature adding $600 to the saw price. Adding a generator adds between $1100 (Honda) and $450 (Predator or Champion). Or, look at it this way:. SawStop + Honda generator costs $2000 - the same as a cordless Festool. SawStop + Predator generator costs $1350 - more than every saw but the Festool. If you already have a generator (or have other items that need the generator as well), SawStop sells for about the same as the Milwaukee, or $300 more than the recommended Flex. Over the years I have known several carpenters who essentially lost the use of a hand as the result of a table saw accident. Each victim was a highly experienced professional using a small (contractor) saw. SO I have to ask: What are your fingers worth?
The precision result on the Festool is kind of flawed. Festool themselves say that it's intended that the fence opens up towards the end, so no workpiece gets pinched. At the end you're interested in if your cut has the desired width and not if the fence is parallel or even worse pinches your workpiece. I don't own the saw, so no fanboyism here.
@@saiiiiiii1 I know a lot of carpenters and cabinet makers that do flare open their fence a little bit at the end. Period. We used to do that before Riving knives.
@ConcordCarpenter don't get me wrong, I love your reviews and am very thankful that you provide these. My point on this specific matter is, that a non parallel fence doesn't influence the outcome of the cut as long as the scale is accurate to the width of cut, unlike on a mitre gauge for example where angle matters.
:( I use Metabo Hpt so it was unfortunate to see it perform worse than the other brands. I was hoping to buy it someday, now I’m not so sure. I do believe using a 10inch blade would have made it cut faster instead of the 8 1/4 inch blade they used in the testing because the blade would be spinning faster. I feel its performance review got cheated in this way. They should have used a comparable blade on the Festool also instead of the 40 tooth
We alloed the saw to compete in our 8-1/4" test. Pretty sure FLEX has a 10 saw too but we were testing the smaller more portable saws. This test was directed to "mobile contractors." Portability was key here.
I agree mostly with your opinion of the festool. I bought it to refloor all my townhomes with tiny hallways. I don't fully agree with the flatness test but yeah thats the nature of this type of saw. This is also been great for trimming out windows.
A note about batteries: Looking at the reviewed saws, I notice a great variation in the batteries used. Some saws run on the same batteries as your cordless drill; others come with massive, higher voltage batteries. This review does not consider battery life, or give any clue as to how power hungry these saws are. I suspect you will need to have several batteries on hand.
Yes you’ll need multiple batteries on hand if you are a professional or diy user on any battery platform. These are standard battery platforms that the big manufacturers have been running for years/decades. Dewalt is likely the “massive high voltage” saw you are referring to. When a Flexvolt battery is used for a 60v tool vs a 18/20v tool it clearly is opting for power over efficiency.
I'm curious why you didn't use DeWALT'S stand with wheels.... with that stand you have the most powerful and mobile combination on the market hands down.
That stand is amazing and I have mu 10" corded saw bolted to it. We geared this test to mobile pro contractors. Portability, and mobility were key here.
@ConcordCarpenter not sure if you're aware but DeWALT has 2 table saw rolling stands. The 10" corded has the black steel rolling stand. They have a light weight silver aluminum stand for the 7 1/4 table saw. It's an awesome combo.
As much as I respect your tool reviews, in this video you fail to ask the two most important questions. Granted, as times change, so do the questions you must ask. The gorilla in the room asks: Who needs ANY table saw in this day of track saws? I find the table saw being pushed aside by the track saw in a manner similar to the way my impact driver pushed aside my drill. There’s just not much use for it these days. The other question is: how much are your fingers worth? What I’m getting at is the value of SawStop protection. With even a (relatively) minor cut resulting to a $1000 visit to the emergency room for a couple stitches, SawStop is a bargain when you consider the money you never need to spend. This Namath holds, even when you add in the cost and inconvenience of also setting up a generator for a corded table saw. A common flaw to table saw evaluations is a failure to consider the expense of the necessary accessories. These include the necessary tables / stands to support the workpiece (especially for the smallest saws), the cost of “accessories” such as a better fence, miter gauge, foot switch, power feed, and guards. Another detail overlooked is the ease and effectiveness of dust collection. For the few tasks a track saw cannot do, I submit a router or router table will do. Rabbit and dado joints? No problem. Trimming the edges of molding? Piece of cake. Cross cuts and miters? Maybe you need to look at your miter saw if the piece is too narrow for a track saw to be appropriate.
I don't know what kind of work you do, but 90% of what I use a table saw for, a track saw is either unpractical, slower or completely useless. I don't think you'll reinvent the wheel with a track saw.
There's no complete overlap between the two. Track saws perform poorly on ripping framimg-lumber. It's often easier to bring the materials to the tool rather than setting the tool up on tge material. Both tools are great and have some overlap. My question is if cordless tablesaws replaces corded ones. I'm not convinced yet.
@@karenstein8261 as a general contractor running a crew of guys a table saw is a necessity for sizing material. We have a tracksaw as well and we use it a lot, but a tablesaw is faster, and easier. You couldn’t be more wrong on your assumption about that If you’re a one-man show and you’re using a track saw for everything - that’s great - I just hope you’re charging by the hour.
@ConcordCarpenter have they responded on the test with any feedback? What I think is odd is that the fast phase tools for daily hard use won the accuracy. Where the extra price jump for festool should have found the errors in production or QC as a part of what I pay the extra for. I expect extra great care for these parameters with Festool, or at least an easy fix for this with a tuning tool included in the box.
That festool is a usless, overpriced toy. Especially when the Fescult always brags about how precice and accurate they are. This one is inaccurate, no power and overpriced
The plastic feels cheap. The sustainers do also and are so clunky as to be impractical. There's a reason makita stopped making them. The prices are the biggest insult.
@mostwant3dgov I've always thought the systainers were flimsy and cheap as well. Festool would be nothing without the dishonest youtube shills that are on their payroll, and people that treat them like the cult they are. Which is why this channel is the best on UA-cam. They are always honest, fair and let the testing do the talking.
Better find a new mine… you’re running out of copium. The festool system is amazing if you do high end finish work. I have the Festool table saw and the SawStop job site pro. They’re for different things and to dismiss the brand because you can’t afford them or don’t do work that requires that level of tool, is foolish. It’s a bummer they got a bad saw, but luckily Festool has a no nonsense warranty. Mine has been perfect.
@funriffjay here's the butthurt Fescultist, here to justify his waste of money. That saw is useless, the only one coping is you. I can afford them, and I can do better work than you with the cheapest Ryobi.
@@funriffjay It was proven in this video that this saw isn't accurate. Typical fescultist. I can afford Festool, I would rather spend that money on actual shop equipment instead of overpriced, underbuilt youtube trend tools. As for my abilities, I will do better with Ryobi or Kobalt than you can do with your bragging rights. The only one coping is you.
Can't let companies send you tools because, assuming basic competency (likely a mistake}, they would unbox the tool and make sure they gave you a good one. Not representative.
@ConcordCarpenter well Milwaukee found out where the torque test boys preordered their stubby M12 impact and were trying to monkey with the order. Not exactly asking a giant leap of reason (perhaps a much larger expenditure which could be cheated by taking the demo tool, buying one and returning the demo tool)
@@loucifer4205 Lucifer, I just went back and looked at all the comments you’ve made on my channel. Every single one of them is negative. I think you should try to get eight hours of sleep, maybe take some yoga classes and try meditation. You need to be happier. Life is too short.
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The amount of work in those videos is staggering.
You clearly do that from passion and not money.
i see a head 2 head video and click immediately because i know these guys do it right. i've already chose my table saw but sometimes i just want to see the test scenarios and jigs they use.
Glad to see this test. I’m currently using a 20ish year old dewalt 10” saw which still gets the job done but is bigger and heavier than needed most of the time. I’ve been looking at the M18 and glad to see it did well in the test.
Thanks for taking the time to do these head to heads!
You guys are the ones that could solve the mystery nobody seems to have tested. I wish someone would test the performance difference on the Milwaukee table saw with the new Forge batteries. Comparing the 12.0 HD vs 12.0 Forge.
I always enjoy your very well put together videos and look forward to the head to head comparison.
Thank you for putting in all the work for us.
Great idea! It is a good question to ask.
I would love to see a good side by side comparison of the of the Forge as well. Wondering if it's worth jumping into that line?
The best tool testing crew on the internet.👏👏👏
I would say for most construction workers these saw will be purchased on the basis of what battery platform you are on.
@@denty32 you can say that now before five years ago, you could not you had two choices
I know it must take a ton of time and effort to make these comparison videos, but know that there are many of us tradesmen who really take your results to heart when buying equipment you've tested. Thank you so much for all of your videos! You guys have the added benefit of working in the trades for decades, which gives you that extra edge when testing.
Your team consistently has the most comprehensive, thorough, and fair head-to-head testing I have found. The amount of time, effort, and thought you all put in to these tests is impressive and much appreciated. You guys are the best. Thank you so much.
@@sanfranatic1 thanks
I had the dewalt, because they were the only one available at the time. Eventually sold it and got the M18. Mainly cause that's the battery platform I use and it got annoying having a separate charger for the one tool. You can get the M18 dialed in super accurate. I'm a finish guy, and I have a boatload of festool stuff. But I can't see myself dishing out for that table saw.
Me neither
As always, a fantastic job guys. Cant click fast enough. All your reviews are spot on- informative and professional. Much much appreciated. Hard to beat the Dewalt- i dont have the cordless- but the OG Dewalt is hard to beat- that fence was a game changer for us !!!
But i do have to say-Makita has been my platform for many many years. I am over being disappointed with them and their lack of acknowledgement to their community- so when my batteries start to fail- i have zero problem changing platforms. Quality of life has moved up the ladder…too many good platforms out there now… thanks guys !! Take care out there 🙏🙏
@@thefingerwitch thanks for commenting! I’m disappointed MAKITA hasn’t stayed in the game and co e out with a tablesaw too. My first ever power tools were all MAKITA. I had the sidewinder, stick drill, tablesaw (with the turn knob fence) and old school chops AW.
About the table flatness, the festool sliding table has to be higher than rest of table to work correctly, just like a panel saw
Exactly. It’s been a game change for me (trim carpenter, I don’t rip construction lumber nor plywood). This thing has been a game changer for me. Far more accurate than miter saw for smaller work pieces. An order of magnitude better for crosscutting than miter gauge with any job site saw I’ve used. Ergonomics has been a win too. Less important but job site setup/tear down/cleanup is a time (and money) thing. Wouldn’t be my choice for construction but then not my primary use. Previously I pretty much only used my job site saw (dewalt) for ripping trim.
@@makosharksimmo8124 yes- we mention that
@@mikespray2002
I’m exactly in the same boat,
First couple days I had it on a porch trim out, went to cut some column base trim on my miter saw, then thought “oh wait, let’s try the slider” 😊
Bangin
Most professional tool testing comparison and review on the internet . It is always a pleasure to watch .... i'd love to see a refresh of best 12 inch cordless miter saw comparison , including the new Flex an Metabo Hpt. ...keep up the good work.
Thanks so much for another brilliant test, comparison. I'm deciding between the Festool or the Bosch, as I'm on both batteries and 95% finish work. Festool it so expensive, and I can't get the Bosch in NZ, but can get from Amazon, at 1/3 of the price of the Festool. Surprised the Bosch was lighter, my main ideal.
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Huge thanks to the whole team for this evaluation. That was a ton of work, and it was all done very well. It’s interesting to see Flex did so well, but not surprising really. Flex seems to know their market well and builds quality tools for their users. Thanks again for the video!
FLEX seems to be innovative and aggressive in design, and being first generation their are excellent.
We're glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent comparison, I am glad I got my milwaukee m18 table saw as soon as it came out, all of my coworkers and other contractors are impressed by the power , portability and features on it, keep up the good work.
My favorite channel for tools comparisons. You guys do it based on facts and go deep. I like that. I’ve been a subscriber for a while already and purchased many of the winners of your comparisons and have been using them with great succes. Thanks for what you do.
Too bad Makita is too late to the party. I really wonder what their XGT version of the table saw would look like. I’m heavily invested in XGT and I don’t want to buy a table saw before I see what they come up with.
I’m hoping they do one too
Thank you very much!
You do a great job so dont stop. Thank you and God Bless
I was looking at the flex table saw the 8 1/4 is nice with the folding table and the fact it and the metabo are the only ones that can be plugged in
Good video. 2 things not mentioned that might be important to some are 1) dado set compatibility and 2) number of miter slots. Having 2 slots is better for jigs/sleds.
@ConcordCarpenter The Milwaukee does accept a dado set and the DeWalt only has one miter slot. Not sure about the other saws.
@@masterpoolcat thanks for commenting
@@masterpoolcat curious how many Pros are using a cross cut sled on a cordless saw- Please comment….
@@ConcordCarpenteri have 45 degrees sledss for window trim, thats also why i want to change away from the dewalt and go to the hikoki/metabo hpt, or the german Metabo.
@@masterpoolcat Dewalt has slowly and quietly started introducing a new model in most markets that has 2 miter slots. No idea why they don’t ever talk about it. There are a few other minor design changes, but I imagine the motor is the same. If you look at newer videos from the last year, especially from England/UK, you’ll see some that have 2 miter slots.
Not in the market for a cordless table saw but had to watch. I'm not familiar with Flex as a brand so this was a shot out of the dark. I also expected Festool to rank better (on the table flatness the slider has to be a wee bit higher to function properly so I'll question your procedure in that one case) and the only one with a sliding table makes it a bit unique: Odd man out in this crowd. Great work! Much appreciated. Now if only Sawstop will make a cordless........
We’re looking at it from a Pro contractor’s perspective, and portability and mobility are a huge factor.
Awesome tests, thank you sir. I've really loved my DeWalt for the 4+ years I've ran it but I've been eyeballing the Flex since release. It looks stout and well thought out. I'd never need the light on the fence but it's cool nonetheless. The cutsense feature may be worth a mention although I assume I'd just override it more often than not. When I go for another saw I'd say Flex is on the wishlist but there's currently way too high of an entry cost for anyone not heavily invested in the platform. $750 for the saw+ battery, $100 stand, $330 per battery, and $200 for the adapter. You're at $1,500 after tax. Maybe $1,650 if you nix the adapter and just go for a third battery. Obviously the same can be said about most brands if you don't own any of the batteries but if it's pushing $2k to be jobsite capable then I think I'll just wait for a 2nd gen DeWalt.
Most of these table saws need an update. The Dewalt is ~8 years old, M18 needs to go dual battery (now that they're not averse to it), and an XGT version would be nice. Not sure if enough get sold to warrant much competition, though. There's usually only 2-5 in stock at the tool stores (including corded) versus ~20 mitre saws
Oh man an XGT VERSION WOULD BE AWESOME
Great video! I was hoping my festool would stack up better but I know it has flaws. I might need a Milwaukee backup. Don’t think it was brought up but the festool goes to 45 the opposite direction from the traditional, still can’t get used to that
@@JoeGerossie that is amazing
The Metabo HPT saw has a cool feature that allows you to use an ac adapter and plug into a receptacle. I'm not sure if any other brand has that feature...🤷♂️
FLEX does too - while this is a GREAT feature, to be honest, most Pros wont use it - theyll swap out the battery
Well I hoping to replace my Dewalt with the Metabo, but I guess not. I’ve really been looking forward to this video. Thanks for the awesome work you guys do.
We do these comparisons to help our viewers make the best decisions.
Hello Rob, I think that you should not have included the Festool saw in this category. It was never designed to be a construction saw. The other 5 were. It was designed to be used by the finish carpenter who uses the entire system to make a living. Therefore it didn't compete well against the others and it didn't look good. It wasn't supposed to. Just my 2 cents.
But the accuracy should have been on point then. 🤷🏼
@@davids8493 David, we struggled with that as well, but if we had not put it in, we would have others calling us out for not including it. So we included it in our testing, and we tried to explain along the way the quality of the saw as well drawbacks.
At the end of the day, it is a cordless tablesaw and people want to know about it if they’re considering buying one
@@ConcordCarpenter I personally appreciate that you guys included it and am excited to see more Festool green in your head to head comparisons!
Very thorough testing…very much appreciate the work you do!!
Thank you for watching!
I have the M18 table saw but i would love to see an update. Dual battery with an option to go corded. I would also like to see some other Milwaukee branded accessories like a better fence
@@rowankeltizar5961 try the Forge batteries - they’re pretty nice
I have had the Milwaukee since it came out. Previously used many dewalts since they designed the rack & pinon fence. Millwaukee literally copied the Dewalts great features and just made everything else so use intuitive and enjoyable to use. Every time I use the saw years later I still have a feeling of enjoying the tool. I think it is Millwaukee’s best designed cordless tool.
One tip for improving cut speed is I use the 7-1/4” Diablo framing blades for framing and most of my work. I only use the 8-1/4” for fine finish or scribing. The 7-1/4” thinner kerf makes a large difference on the saw.
I know the saw you’re talking about - a great tool.
Rough day to be on team green. I really hope they come out with a compact model and adress some of these issues. Especially accuracy yuk.
I agree - and the accuracy is something they need to focus on.
Great review as usual, Rob ! Thanks to you and your team!
Thanks for watching
Clint from Tool Review Zone: Where are all your FLEX Tool haters? Where is your negative response to a better tool product, competition that makes the industry better for us?
I guess Barnaby and Mike the plumber was onto something.
thanks for the comparrison
I just purchased and used the new FLEX 8-1/4” table saw yesterday.
I love the power, runtime, folding side table, and LED light on the fence.
While not included with the saw, the optional AC to DC power adapter is great for when you have access to a receptacle. It’s nice to have the option to plug it in if your battery dies, or you are going to be setup and working on a project for a while.
Would highly recommend this saw? If you had to make the purchase again, would you go with FLEX again? Which battery did you use? What's the run time like.
I agree it's a great back up but most of us in the trades have multiple batteries. We just swap out the battery - less items to carry and store that way
@@rickyperkins232 yes, I recommend the FLEX table saw.
I am happy with the FLEX ecosystem - great tools, batteries, and chargers. The only negative is that some of the tools are a little bit on the heavier side, but that is typically due to the build quality, which uses more metal over plastics.
I had used the 10 Ah Stack Lithium battery. I am not sure of the total runtime as I did not deplete the battery with the cuts I needed to do for my project. However, it did last me the entire day.
@ErikAsquith Dude, I hear you, i listen to you, and here we go. I picked up a 23, 18, and 16 gauge nailer. In a few weeks, I will pick up the miter and table saw as 21° well as the nailer.
Great test team! Very helpful.
Nice overview! How was the battery life for each of the saws?
Great - runtime is less of an issue these days
@@ConcordCarpenter Good to hear - probably depends on the battery capacity/use of course. I've been on the fence with a cordless table saw but that can wait for now.
Had my Dewalt for 5 to 6 years 😇 its not bad
@@heavyspam1 it’s a great saw- I have one too
@@ConcordCarpenter only problem i have is when i put a thin blade on it the blade flexes like crazy .. i just keep a diablo 40 tooth thick blade on it all times 😞 works Amazing ✌🏽
Unpopular opinion the sliding table on the Festool should be slightly higher than the fixed portion so that things don't drag on the fixed table and lead to inaccuracy. How much should it be elevated by I'm not sure.
Agreed! We recognized that as well - that sliding table is a GREAT feature to that saw. check out our dedicated video on it
Finally! The comparison video I’ve been waiting for!
Happy to be able to oblige. ;)
Like always very well done comparison
Thx
J'ai le milwaukee et je l'aime bien , avant j'ai eu le dewalt mais certaines chose me gossais , la puissance qui baisse quand la batterie est un peu utiliser et la lame est longue a monter .. le bosch semble tres interessant 👍
Milwaukee followed after Dewalt and made some good improvements… same situation with Flex
Great video, thanks for the upload from England
@@richey761 cheers
I like flex because flex has plug in options. The only problem is flex battery quality issues.
@@alanlau2375 first I’m hearing of this, tell us more please
@ you just read the flex power tool owner review from Lowe’s or check the UA-cam review. Their batteries leaked out chemicals specially in hot weather conditions.
@ damn - hope they fix that soon
@alanlau2375 they fix the problem over a year and half ago. FLEX had the issue fix within 30 days and warranty all the issue. Please correct your statement because the only 2 batteries affected was some of the 2.5 & 5.0 amp hour lithium ion batteries.
I feel like Flex is not appreciated enough. I always hear about the weight but I never had a problem with them when using them.
I wish we would get the Bosch stuff that comes out in the uk and elsewhere. They get way cooler stuff
If you're buy a saw, cordless or not, it all needs to be checked and set up before use, things happen once that saw has left factory. It could be out of adjustment just from transport, not manufactures fault . It should also be checked periodically to make sure it hasn't gone out from moving job site to job site.
100% agree but I also work in the trades and have seen many a saw unboxed and put into service - especially when a saw dies in the middle of the project, and someone runs out to get z new one
Batteries definitely matter. Curious what battery was used for each tool.
Yes - battery capacity is definitely a factor. We tested the batteries that come with the kit as sold.
I’m a big fan of Festool. Their saw has tons of potential but fell short. The saw was borderline unacceptable. I expect better from Festool especially at that MSRP.
7:11 I’m sorry, but I don’t use Diablo blades anymore b/c they just are not as accurate as other saw blades I’ve noticed over decades of using and I’ll spend the extra money and upgrade my miter and table saw blades with a precision brand if a contractor and or finish carpenter, ya know brands meaning) and especially like that when doing this….able to send in or harden myself to prolong a good blade. Yes, they are not cheap costing like Diablo but ya get what pay for imo like this comment. And if wondering, I made this switch 5 years ago and have bought less saws yearly, and as blades have retained “sharpness”/“durability” longer/better imo, again from using…..
Thx for these vids, very useful and I run metabo hpt miter (w/ mods) and table saws as my 1st choice b/c like 36v and ability to plug into AC power.
Curious what other blades your referring to?
@ Wanted to say that Diablo isn’t a bad brand. Diablo is really easy to get when we’d need new blade fast, and I did use them exclusively for years. Do know that you can’t (least I probably wouldn’t) buy $150+ blades for testing, as that would be expensive and not everyone would do or want to go that route……so understand testing practices and purpose of videos. Some of the go to brands for Industrial Saw Blades I like to use are (in no order): FS Tool, Ridge Carbide, Tenryu, Whiteside, Forrest.
Love channel and vids, so thx and have good one
Being brand new 25:33 it better be the best, lol, and b/c of the AC cord like metabo use, will definitely get Flex when metabo dies or tired of size……
Most Pro contractors simply change the battery. For me 1 or 2 batteries get me through the day, sometimes a few days. Have you seen the Metabo HPT cord- its bulky and has a huge "brick-like" box attached to it. Pro's want portability - if were camping on a jobsite for months then I drag out my 10" corded saw and hook it up to a dedicated vac.where it will live for the erntire job.
Great testing
Im guessing DeWalt is going to release a new table saw this year. The current model is a dinosaur when it comes to cordless tools
Ya me too! Maybe an XR version
great insightful video as always
thx
I love how you stop talking when describing the fence removal on the Festool and you go"I don't know", it's like you're thinking it is a shit way of doing it, not practical and crazy expensive and they come up with unique designs instead of using rack and pinion.
I was trying to visualize it.
wow I didn't know people were still making these videos. seems like by now every table saw comparison has already been done 10 times over.
maybe - we do a Head-2-Head comparison every 3 to 4 months. A Lot of time and effort go into ours
Thank you
I got the dewalt on sale a couple weeks before the FLEX was annonced 😒
@@tlakepake7668 don’t worry you have an amazingly quality saw that has a historical track record for longevity
I love my flexvolt saw by DeWalt , and nope I haven't watched yet but I am now, side not I use it for light finish trim carpentry and cabinet install
I like my Festool sys50 a lot! Same for my cordless Milwaukee. Different job applications for both. For finish work I’d want my Festool that sliding table is awesome for detail work. I use my Milwaukee for small jobs but honestly for any bigger framing jobs I roll out my 10” Bosch. Would like to see Milwaukee come out with dual battery 10” with rolling stand
A case for SawStop (corded):
SawStop sells for $899. Compare this to $300 for a corded DeWalt or $609 for DeWalt Cordless (incl. battery). Add $183 for a folding stand (Both saws need stands).
This equates to the SawStop feature adding $600 to the saw price.
Adding a generator adds between $1100 (Honda) and $450 (Predator or Champion).
Or, look at it this way:.
SawStop + Honda generator costs $2000 - the same as a cordless Festool.
SawStop + Predator generator costs $1350 - more than every saw but the Festool.
If you already have a generator (or have other items that need the generator as well), SawStop sells for about the same as the Milwaukee, or $300 more than the recommended Flex.
Over the years I have known several carpenters who essentially lost the use of a hand as the result of a table saw accident. Each victim was a highly experienced professional using a small (contractor) saw.
SO I have to ask: What are your fingers worth?
@@karenstein8261 saw stop is an excellent tool, but it’s not a cordless so as far as I know
Flex is Next 💪
The precision result on the Festool is kind of flawed. Festool themselves say that it's intended that the fence opens up towards the end, so no workpiece gets pinched. At the end you're interested in if your cut has the desired width and not if the fence is parallel or even worse pinches your workpiece. I don't own the saw, so no fanboyism here.
@@saiiiiiii1 I know a lot of carpenters and cabinet makers that do flare open their fence a little bit at the end. Period. We used to do that before Riving knives.
@ConcordCarpenter don't get me wrong, I love your reviews and am very thankful that you provide these. My point on this specific matter is, that a non parallel fence doesn't influence the outcome of the cut as long as the scale is accurate to the width of cut, unlike on a mitre gauge for example where angle matters.
:( I use Metabo Hpt so it was unfortunate to see it perform worse than the other brands. I was hoping to buy it someday, now I’m not so sure. I do believe using a 10inch blade would have made it cut faster instead of the 8 1/4 inch blade they used in the testing because the blade would be spinning faster. I feel its performance review got cheated in this way. They should have used a comparable blade on the Festool also instead of the 40 tooth
We alloed the saw to compete in our 8-1/4" test. Pretty sure FLEX has a 10 saw too but we were testing the smaller more portable saws. This test was directed to "mobile contractors." Portability was key here.
Why hasn’t a Sawstop been tested?
Cordless only
We’ve tested the SawStop but this is a cordless comparison
Yay, I've been missing these tests. That festool is nearly a disaster as a tool. It has cool tech, but lacks almost all of the important things
Did you catch the last 2 tests we did on backpack blowers, and flashlights?
I have the milwaukee and festool so Im excited to see how they do.
I agree mostly with your opinion of the festool. I bought it to refloor all my townhomes with tiny hallways. I don't fully agree with the flatness test but yeah thats the nature of this type of saw. This is also been great for trimming out windows.
@@James-lo5ne I believe both saws have their value and our quality so you should be fine, my friend
A note about batteries:
Looking at the reviewed saws, I notice a great variation in the batteries used. Some saws run on the same batteries as your cordless drill; others come with massive, higher voltage batteries.
This review does not consider battery life, or give any clue as to how power hungry these saws are. I suspect you will need to have several batteries on hand.
@@karenstein8261 we tested the batteries that come with the tools sold as kits
Yes you’ll need multiple batteries on hand if you are a professional or diy user on any battery platform. These are standard battery platforms that the big manufacturers have been running for years/decades. Dewalt is likely the “massive high voltage” saw you are referring to. When a Flexvolt battery is used for a 60v tool vs a 18/20v tool it clearly is opting for power over efficiency.
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Youre always there Ted, thanks!
@ConcordCarpenter 💪💪💪, highlight of my Sunday
Poor 10in metabo 😂
I'm curious why you didn't use DeWALT'S stand with wheels.... with that stand you have the most powerful and mobile combination on the market hands down.
That stand is amazing and I have mu 10" corded saw bolted to it. We geared this test to mobile pro contractors. Portability, and mobility were key here.
@ConcordCarpenter not sure if you're aware but DeWALT has 2 table saw rolling stands. The 10" corded has the black steel rolling stand. They have a light weight silver aluminum stand for the 7 1/4 table saw. It's an awesome combo.
@ hmmm wasn’t aware thx
First!
As much as I respect your tool reviews, in this video you fail to ask the two most important questions.
Granted, as times change, so do the questions you must ask.
The gorilla in the room asks: Who needs ANY table saw in this day of track saws? I find the table saw being pushed aside by the track saw in a manner similar to the way my impact driver pushed aside my drill. There’s just not much use for it these days.
The other question is: how much are your fingers worth? What I’m getting at is the value of SawStop protection. With even a (relatively) minor cut resulting to a $1000 visit to the emergency room for a couple stitches, SawStop is a bargain when you consider the money you never need to spend. This Namath holds, even when you add in the cost and inconvenience of also setting up a generator for a corded table saw.
A common flaw to table saw evaluations is a failure to consider the expense of the necessary accessories. These include the necessary tables / stands to support the workpiece (especially for the smallest saws), the cost of “accessories” such as a better fence, miter gauge, foot switch, power feed, and guards.
Another detail overlooked is the ease and effectiveness of dust collection.
For the few tasks a track saw cannot do, I submit a router or router table will do. Rabbit and dado joints? No problem. Trimming the edges of molding? Piece of cake. Cross cuts and miters? Maybe you need to look at your miter saw if the piece is too narrow for a track saw to be appropriate.
I don't know what kind of work you do, but 90% of what I use a table saw for, a track saw is either unpractical, slower or completely useless.
I don't think you'll reinvent the wheel with a track saw.
There's no complete overlap between the two. Track saws perform poorly on ripping framimg-lumber. It's often easier to bring the materials to the tool rather than setting the tool up on tge material.
Both tools are great and have some overlap. My question is if cordless tablesaws replaces corded ones. I'm not convinced yet.
@@karenstein8261 as a general contractor running a crew of guys a table saw is a necessity for sizing material. We have a tracksaw as well and we use it a lot, but a tablesaw is faster, and easier. You couldn’t be more wrong on your assumption about that
If you’re a one-man show and you’re using a track saw for everything - that’s great - I just hope you’re charging by the hour.
Festool carpenters left the chat. 😶 My thought has always been Festool = accuracy, but this is devastating news for the brand.
Festool is accurate - this saw was an outlier
@ConcordCarpenter have they responded on the test with any feedback?
What I think is odd is that the fast phase tools for daily hard use won the accuracy. Where the extra price jump for festool should have found the errors in production or QC as a part of what I pay the extra for. I expect extra great care for these parameters with Festool, or at least an easy fix for this with a tuning tool included in the box.
That festool is a usless, overpriced toy. Especially when the Fescult always brags about how precice and accurate they are. This one is inaccurate, no power and overpriced
The plastic feels cheap. The sustainers do also and are so clunky as to be impractical. There's a reason makita stopped making them. The prices are the biggest insult.
@mostwant3dgov I've always thought the systainers were flimsy and cheap as well. Festool would be nothing without the dishonest youtube shills that are on their payroll, and people that treat them like the cult they are. Which is why this channel is the best on UA-cam. They are always honest, fair and let the testing do the talking.
Better find a new mine… you’re running out of copium.
The festool system is amazing if you do high end finish work. I have the Festool table saw and the SawStop job site pro. They’re for different things and to dismiss the brand because you can’t afford them or don’t do work that requires that level of tool, is foolish.
It’s a bummer they got a bad saw, but luckily Festool has a no nonsense warranty. Mine has been perfect.
@funriffjay here's the butthurt Fescultist, here to justify his waste of money. That saw is useless, the only one coping is you. I can afford them, and I can do better work than you with the cheapest Ryobi.
@@funriffjay It was proven in this video that this saw isn't accurate. Typical fescultist. I can afford Festool, I would rather spend that money on actual shop equipment instead of overpriced, underbuilt youtube trend tools. As for my abilities, I will do better with Ryobi or Kobalt than you can do with your bragging rights. The only one coping is you.
$1499 for the Festool?!! What a joke of a price...😂
yes its pricey
Can't let companies send you tools because, assuming basic competency (likely a mistake}, they would unbox the tool and make sure they gave you a good one. Not representative.
@@SlowExpensive you read too many conspiracy theories, my friend.
@ConcordCarpenter well Milwaukee found out where the torque test boys preordered their stubby M12 impact and were trying to monkey with the order.
Not exactly asking a giant leap of reason (perhaps a much larger expenditure which could be cheated by taking the demo tool, buying one and returning the demo tool)
These videos always make me laugh. As bad as watching MSM. lol
They're in bed with Milwaukee
@@DoubleD72 yet you’re watching
@@loucifer4205
Lucifer,
I just went back and looked at all the comments you’ve made on my channel. Every single one of them is negative.
I think you should try to get eight hours of sleep, maybe take some yoga classes and try meditation. You need to be happier. Life is too short.