Caste among the Sikhs, role it plays in Punjab politics & what a Dalit Sikh CM means
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
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Punjab gets its first-ever Dalit chief minister in Charanjit Singh Channi. Shekhar Gupta reads between the lines of this surprise announcement. What is the history, geography, politics and significance of the existing caste system in Punjab as it sees a resurgence among Dalits and draws an Ambedkar connection. Episode 838 of CutTheClutter.
Additional Research by Sukriti Vats and Amogh Rohmetra
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CTC isn't coming as suggested videos, even after 40 min after release of episode. Even on searching CTC I got older videos.
Is UA-cam kinda pulling the leg?
Shekarji kindly note this, as UA-cam has a history of such acts intentionally or un internationally.
You have to realize that the caste system in India has become a farce today. Traditionally prominent castes like Patels in Gujarat, or Jats in Haryana are demanding classification under OBC. So belonging to a backward caste is no longer a matter of shame, but a desirable position. Everybody wants reservation today, and this is definitely not what the makers of the constitution envisaged. Caste system will never end in India, and Brahmins can no longer be blamed for this!
17:09 you dont even know that hargobind ji wasnt the 9th sikh guru and u will tell me about caste in sikhism? And u want money for such wrong information?
Congress want to ingrain caste division in Punjab when will they talk about sayyed and ashrafi divisions,In India every caste had their glory and ruinous days weren't the likes of Mallahs and meenas too weren't rulers
@WARLORD WARRIOR you must be a Jatt Sikh?
Great episode 👍.
I am from Dalit Sikh community and it's great that people gets to know about the casteism in Sikhs.
But sikhs proudly said that they made new religion to demolish castism and also said proudly that they do langars with same reason.
@@sv3656
Sikh religion was mainly based on equality and all Sikh Gurus preached and practiced that but after them casteism again crept into it.
With regret I accept that Sikhism is not what it was supposed to be. It is plagued with casteism like others.
@@pushpindersingh8101 if gurus practiced it then how come most of them were khatris and not one dalit or jat
@@binitakaphle6092 blaming hinduism becoz it created casteism
@@harisadu8998 i am not hating them. I respect them because my dharma teaches me सर्वधर्म संभाव. That is also my reply to non hindus who denigrate my religion that casteism and जातिवाद is not religious problem it is a social problem and is present in all the religions. Even in Ireland Protestant and Catholics hate and treay each other lower. Most priests are hereditary, pop is never American, black, russian.
A clarification: 9th Guru was Guru Tegh Bahadur ji. Guru Hargobind (shown and mentioned) was the 6th Guru.
Apologies. My fault. Will correct. Thanks for pointing out…warm best wishes…shekhar
I too was thinking that
Entire Sikh shrine will be contaminated with dalit controlled government. It takes generations & thousands of years to purify blood & it only takes one generation to doom entire legacy!
@@ThePrintIndia wow Mr Gupta has replied being so humbled sir pleassed with u always ur fan..will meat some day
Yeah I also noticed that..
Caste isn't a fact in Sikh faith but it's a fact amongst Sikhs unfortunately .
@HEY HEY HEY "manas ki jaat sabe ekai pehchaan bo"
Know all humans as one - sikh holy book
Being a sikh I can say thats so true
Just as it's a fact (in even WORSE amounts) in Muslim communities with their Ashraf supremacy. And Christians too - so you can't use caste as an excuse to beat Hinduism with.
Same with others in India. It's cultural problem due to the distortion of traditions and knowledge. That doesn't mean Brahmins are bad or Dalits or Kshatriyas are bad/superior/inferior. Knowledge of civilizational history and literature is a must in school. As well as de-colonizing and de-abrahamizing the lens which has lead to most of the distortions and ensured its continuation/hatred rather than course correction.
Fact check: The chamkaur sahab seat is reserved for the member of SC.
Caste system is banned in Sikhism but so is eating meat, drinking alcohol, cutting any hair. You see nothing gets on track
I think caste system is why Buddhism failed in India, even after Asoka, Buddhism rejected the cast system while Hindu Brahmans wanted the caste system to remain.
i even feel what todays punjabi music industry has made sikh generation. like every song is made to showcase firearms , goonism , girls , exotic RENTED cars and terr@rist such as bhindiwala. majority of Canadian sikhs are fueling this gen of sikhs with hatred and aggression towards the mother India. and their leaders are busy in just dividing more votes ,
@@fogmud 1) The majority of the early Buddhist philosophers were all Brahmanas as were many of the Theravada Bodhisattvas.The Bodhisattva himself rejected the idea that future Buddhas are born into lower
@@fogmud 2) Lalitavistara (306.13-19) says: Why, monks, did the bodhisattva examine [his future] family? Bodhisattvas are not born into inferior families, neither into candala families, nor bamboo-worker families, cartwright families, nor pukkasa families. Instead, they are born into only two families: brahmana families and ksatriya families.
Meat is allowed in times of war where you would need strength and nihangs still eat meat and they drink marijuana drink and they have been doing it for years
They do it so they can fight without any second thought
He is said he is a common man, his net worth is 14 Cr+, I dream to be common man like him
Lol
Much more. It was revealed in an interview he was earning more than 10 cr per year as editor in chief of indian express and after his exit he made about 35.
If you are talented and if you can do hardwork in your adult age than you can akso become like him
Guys i was talking about punjab cm
His brother is doctor..wife a doctor.property in most expensive city of punjab.so not a surprise.
Caste among Muslims, Christians and sikhs is an indication of conversion. For all those denying conversion, this is the proof! And next time you attack Hindus for caste, remember in India caste is a social construct, not religious!
Having said that, it is now for the Hindus to work over the existing caste system for sure..
What about manu smriti of Hindus about which kanhaiya kumar also said things?
the whole castism fault is actually created with the advent of Europeans though they did some good things like abolition of sati but they literally fragmented the society as they were not able to balkanise india
@@Vizorfam A couple of points - I havent read Manu smriti so I cant comment but caste system is a reality of our social construct. So a couple of points: 1. The beauty of Hinduism is that we are not bound by one book or one interpretation of our religion. So we have the freedom to question, challenge, reject and accept the version that we feel best represents us(every individual has) and so if Manu smriti doesnt work for you, then chuck it. Go to whichever scriptures you relate to. But that freedom is not available in any other religion who are bound by ONE book. 2. The fact that if caste system is linked to Hindus only, then how is it that other religions are displaying caste system. The only explanation is the fact that they have been converted from Hinduism!
@@Vizorfam We also gave Vasudhaiv kutumbakam and Bhakti Yoga, Upanishads. But Sikhs and Abrahmics only got castes. Are these religions intrinsically attracted to bad things only or they are inherently worse religions who blame other religion to get away with responsiblity while playing victim card?
@@Vizorfam there he is....get lost Libru...lick kejru...leave..
This is so true. Thank you Shekhar sir for this much needed insight!!
I live in a ludhiana-area village in Punjab and had been wondering why villages are still segregated.. every village has the main area where jat sikhs and upper caste hindus live while there is a "Behra" meaning lower area (symbolically) where all other castes live (who work in the houses of upper caste) and nobody ever talked about it..!
Bro i am also Jat . Punjabi hindu Jats. But what is the problems is Jat I not a hindu sense . It was a tribal community who came in hinduism and posses different Varna in the society at diiferent places. J
@@infomasters4517 haryana jaats are hindus and punjabi jaats are sikhs.
but don't you think that's more of an economic thing?
@@uzochiokeke4328 Punjabi ones are jatt (or hele)
Historically jatt despised dhes or haryana up and rajasthan jaats as of less pure blood
@@jujharsingh5461 Rajasthan Haryana jaats are pure or they are mixed with rajput.
Is Channi just keeping the CM's chair warm for Sidhu till the elections are over?? That's the big question....
Yes, nothing more to it. He was the least threat to the usurper sidhus future
Yes,that is what he is for.
@@clashoflands You guys might be proven wrong once again
Ofcourse. He is a tool untill next election
If he survives till the election and Congress wins then he will be the CM
Not only Sikhs, there's Caste in Christians as well and a separate reservation for 'Dalit Christians' in Christian institutions. Genuine question - If caste is a Hindu system, then how come someone who's been baptised as Christian hold a caste of Dalit at the same time, officially on paper? That's like 2 opposite ends of the spectrum. Isn't that the whole point of missionaries of converting people to another faith to get rid of casteism and promote acceptability? And if casteism is being practiced across faiths, then the whole long held argument against Hinduism that it promotes discrimination based on caste isn't just restricted to Hinduism afterall. It's all the same. Not trying to target any community, just trying to wrap my head around this complexity.
issue is caste is very much ingrained into subcontinent people lives that no matter u convert or not categorization is perennial like caste in Muslims,Christians,sikh.
They want to escape the discrimination. But caste is necessary for advantages of reservations in schools and colleges.
So, basically nothing changes. Other than the fact that the other side gets more who give up Dharma for the Abrahamic way.
Christians and Muslims want numbers. They're happy. We lose with every hindu goes into the den thinking it's a hotel.
You have to realize that the caste system in India has become a farce today. Traditionally prominent castes like Patels in Gujarat, or Jats in Haryana are demanding classification under OBC. So belonging to a backward caste is no longer a matter of shame, but a desirable position. Everybody wants reservation today, and this is definitely not what the makers of the constitution envisaged. Caste system will never end in India, and Brahmins can no longer be blamed for this!
People don't stop discriminating against you even if you change your religion. Infact they become more hostile. Just because a Dalits becomes a Buddhist doesn't mean that the savarnas around him would stop discriminating.
It is more about self worth. Why should I continue to worship and stay adhere to a religion that doesn't allow me into their temples and continues to treat me as unclean. Missionaries did provide opportunities for education which a dalit would never have had if remained Hindu.
No one sticks to the religious books to the letter. Their geography and their stories don't change overnight just because they decided to change which new sky daddy they adopt. That is why religions are utter bullshit. None of it is based on evidence so you can mould it into anything you wish.
Most people are better than their religion teaches them to be, but the the brainwashing that has been done ever since birth is not any easy thing to get over. Therefore it is extremely stupid to judge people on which faith they profess.
I never knew he was "Dalit" CM.
Until, The Hindu, Times of India, NDTV, Times Now, Malayala Manorama, And now The Print reminded me.
Thanks guys. You guys unite India better than Gandhiji🙏❤️
Y should we close off our identity the old days are gone and we are gonna say with pride out caste just like Jatt Sikhs write songs and become famous.plus it shows us that Dalits r more that 30% and jatts less than 25% still they hold power.
Caste politics is a reality deal with it.
😂 Why do you want to hide from reality
You don't know a lot of things
Aced it bro. It's the editorials like these which keep caste system alive and brings it to the forefront of national politics. Pathetic.
And you should specially know it, bcz many deserved candidates were not given chance, bcz they were not "dalit", and they will not be able to secure the dalit votes from BSP. Moreover Channi is accused of harassing an female IAS officer. Denying the reality never makes it false, bro.
If religion was a business Sikhs did a marvelous job of marketing. "We are all one..."
Hindus need to learn
Yea by feeding free to ppl like you......bro ppl give hard earned money so that langar continues in every world and nobody asks penny back........
It's not just Sikhs... Caste identity follows people even when they convert to Christianity or Islam. Caste system is more of a social problem that can't be erased by simply changing the label of religion.
@@shergill4301 so now you are taking credit. So it's not free
@@ShubhOUday it's okay.......but I also have no interest ppl who have no respect and come at eat at gurdwara.........or go to free hospital..,....I am taking credit....so old don't go if you feel we are just marketing......we can survive without ppl like you.......guru da langar chalda rehna like it is for 400 years
@@shergill4301 Jai Shree Ram 🙏
You have to realize that the caste system in India has become a farce today. Traditionally prominent castes like Patels in Gujarat, or Jats in Haryana are demanding classification under OBC. So belonging to a backward caste is no longer a matter of shame, but a desirable position. Everybody wants reservation today, and this is definitely not what the makers of the constitution envisaged. Caste system will never end in India, and Brahmins can no longer be blamed for this!
Reservations is as old as Varnashram…the present constitutional reservations is the only antidote to Varnashram reservations which was skewed in favour of bammans and their KAPO’s the Bania n kshatris….3.5% bammans started this game of reservations to maintain their hold over majority …
@@123xyzabccba how is reservation system helping the upper caste Brahmans in any way?
@@amoghthorave3385 : because of Varnashram reservations of 1000s of years even today 10% of Bania bamman hv captured 80% of resources. Presently reservations has a cap of 50% so the balance 50% gets automatically reserved for bammans because the match-fixer dronacharyas don’t allow many other non bammans in this balance 50%. Majority of Supreme Court judges are from minority castes of bammans who r just 3.5% of total population. Lately GOI inducted IAS laterally and 80% of those were from minority bamman community n they entered without any competitive exams …
@@123xyzabccba 50% is not entirely for Brahmins, it's for the general category. Also, Brahmins by occupation have been nobles and intellectual people. So they know how to study well and be successful through it. It shouldn't be their fault now that even after 75 years of reservation people from other castes aren't able to establish themselves and succeed. Also, with 80% of wealth and resources (your data), they must be paying hell lot of tax for it, which mostly goes into empowerment of the oppressed or poor.
@@123xyzabccba brahmins don't have resources they just have government job because of there intellectual capabilities.. Resources are mostly owned by OBC
Indian politics never ceases to amaze, nor does the Print
Yes you are right its so complex
Dalit bole hallelujah
@Bhadwa Modi
Na ye sirf Sikh empires k Jat sikh Rulers k time hua . Isme hindu ka lena dena ni
@Bhadwa Modi Bhai, while the caste system as it stands is bad. Christian Europe main bhi caste system hai, Muslims mein bhi caste system hain, sab deshon mein caste system hain (alag, alag naam hain). Bas, Bharat ka ye bataaka convert karna chahte hai.
@@7hills812 they have mostly class segregation (in a way similar to caste) mostly unlike the widespread caste system. Caste system is similar or worster to whitevsblack segregation in usa.
I live in Britain and have experienced discrimination from Sikhs and Hindus. The superior power of upper castes does not stop in India.
Thankyou for this video.
Just embrace Buddhism.
I live in uk too. When I came to uk in 2009, I imagined it would be better here, and actually turned out worst. I guess it's never gonna end.
Kyu jhooth bol rahe ho ki hindus se mila.
@@darshandhawan5923 This kind of reply is exactly part of oppression. The lack of acknowledgement.
@@jaswinderchalliauthorthera3669 if you are hindu and get discrinated by hindus that I will accept.
But you are sikh and get discriminated by hindus that I will not accept.
That's what I want to say.
U get discriminated by sikhs but deliberately added hindus.
Cast doesn’t exist in Sikhism but lot of sikh have been stuck with historic cast system..
Love the way SG quotes in Punjabi ❤️
Yes it came from.. U know where
@@shalivahana1300 sanghi logic 101
@@Vizorfam Sunnis kill Shias, leave about marrying. Ahmediyas treatment in Pakistan even for a noble prize winner of science is widely known Discrimination existed based on groups in every religion. Don't always keep on ranting about anti Hinduism here.
@@shalivahana1300 No, don't say that. The great thing that came from it and has an updated syllabus is terrorism. They have creative ways in that. They don't discriminate, they kill.
@@sudheeraryaca he is troll.
Omg. I didn't know about caste system in Punjabi sikhs. This is an eye opener for me. Well researched n nicely made video. Great efforts. Thanks Sir.
Don’t be surprised, all religions get bastardized after sometime, all in name of power and politics!
@@SuminderpalSingh Ha ha ha 😂
@@harisadu8998 pretty much every religion does that. But you cannot take away, irrespective of the short comings within Sikh faith, they still Work Hard, and Share their Earnings via Seva. Yes, Sikhism has its short comings, and even with those short comings, if I were born again I would like to be born a Sikh. Besides maybe being an atheist.
@@SuminderpalSingh shortcoming in sikh faith? In sikh community I think
@@SuminderpalSingh Perfectly said!
From what I've seen or read ( and this is my observation) people in power ( say brahmins, jats, sunnis... Etc) have always used religion to establish some sort of hierarchy. They are majority of the times power hungry people who would even change the intended faith for their suitable greed.
Every religion got corrupted in some way.
My comment will make it more clear
1. Brahmins and Baniyas of the Hindu community of Punjab did not convert to Sikhism (Shekhar Gupta sir is himself Bania community and is Hindu)
2. Khshatriyas are called Khatris in Punjabi, since all Sikh Gurus were Khatris hence most Khatris also converted to Sikhism, but there are still Hindu Khatris for example Kapoors, Chopra, Malhotras etc they are Hindus
3. Jatts totally converted to Sikhism
4. Scheduled castes and Tribes mostly converted to Sikhism still some of them are Hindus
Hence Sikhism is a religion of Jatts and Scheduled castes with some Khatris
I hope you all have understood by now
Ginny Mahi is a great singer. If Jatts can push their caste in music, why not Chamars?
Ofcourse they can do...and they should do...no issues
why not khatris?
Fun fact:- Famous song 'Jaata ka chhora' is sung by a Chamar
@@exoticindiaa no issues... anyone can sing a song...
We r sikhs manuwaadis r trying to create caste in sikhism but sikhism is antithesis to casteism
He is not a Dalit, he is human being.
Caste system in Punjab is not a surprise for people who have seen Pataal lok :)
That was a little exhaggeration. Dalits are equally strong there, no one can treat them that way in Punjab.
@@sandeepsinghimt yupp.. That I learned after watching this video 😊😊
@@sandeepsinghimt Though patal lok reference was dumb but it wasn't an exaggeration , reallity is way worse in Punjab ..I find Sikhs hell of castiest more than today's Brahmins ......
Absolutely!
@@anonymousindian37 true Hindus castism is nothing, waiting till you see these jatss doing this thing lol ,I have seen this with my own eyes among sikhs my ex gf was a sikh jatt and before that I used to think only us Hindus are divided but damn they are another level she used to make fun of people who were not jatt and then I started seeing them all people in met there were extremely casteist againt lower class people in sikhs
Caste is embedded in the DNA of Indians! 🙏🙏🙏
Used to be in our DNA, in our young generation, not so much but unfortunately our liberal parties and media just can't stop talking about it.
no embedded in politics
@@thirdperson2161 I think it's just a propaganda of those people who are benifiting due to casteism, otherwise the present generation is as finely casteist as the old generation! Because hiding the disease never cures the disease, but it spreads with more force. 😒😒😒🙏
@Anuraag Gosaain This is exactly the same argument that people fall ill in America, so we should not even try to cure the disease in India!!! That's why Casteism doesn't ending in India because of people giving such absurd arguments. 😒😒😒
What ever ppl say new generation talk, when they marry they show their true colors.
Hailing from punjab and seeing all these things on ground finally someone in Media saying it loud....Punjab is Not what Bollywood Shows India and Abroad
Haha caste system in punjab much better than hindi hearthand
Correction:
Guru Tegh Bahadur was 9th Sikh Guru instead of Guru Hargobind Ji. Guru Hargobind Ji was 6th guru. And as correctly said Guru Gobind Singh was Sikh's 10th guru.
Correction: 6th Guru's name is Shri Hargobind Ji intead of Shri Hargobind Singh Ji.
Gagan ji correction: 6th Guru Sahib Guru Hargoibind (not Hargobind Singh).
Look at the moon, not the finger, this episode is about *Cast among Sikhs* not Sikh gurus about casts
Sir What about Evergrande story, what is happening in china's economics?
It would have been more interesting than a vid on caste divide in Punjab...
Ironically enough, a "communist" state is having a capitalist problem.
@@ashutoshbundela3744 They're hyper capitalist and fascist. And now that's coming back to bite them. Cherry on top of the demographic bomb.
@@naiyayika China has huge venture capital and FII in india. There will be some ripples.
@@HimanshuSharma-oe4mk 2-3 wars are also coming...
its rare to see anyone focus so much on punjab. I am thankful that you exist.
In most villages of Panjab Gurudwaras are not segregated (a dalit or ramgarhia gurudwara is due to local politics (power play) and not due to any religious segregation) ... Atleast in Malwa region every village has only one gurudwara where every caste goes with no discrimination... It may be relevant to mention that two of the accused in the assassination of Mrs Indira Gandhi belonged to what is called Dalit/SC community (Beant Singh & Kehar Singh) ...
Sir are the surnames Gill, saini, sekhon, dhillon, pannu, bajwa, pirzada, brar, sibal indicates clan or castes....
भारत एक जाति प्रधान देश है (ना कि कृषि प्रधान)!!! 😒😒😒🙏
Agrarian economy gave birth to caste.
Agrarian economy was good in 300BC but now it is a curse. Only urbanization and industrialisation can destroy caste system.
stop teaching caste systems as shudra,dalits,vaishyas,brahmin,kshatriya.. as by birth ,they are usually by their work as written in our ancient text . teach them there is no shame in any type of work
@arthur fleck ahh showing your ignorance as usual. Hinduism has both agamic and non agamic temples. In non agamic most priests are Lower castes. For example the priests of aiyanar temples of TN are mostly Dalits. Please stop doing malicious comments, suggest you touch some grass
@arthur fleck you are highly misinformed, get better education before making such ignorant comments
@arthur fleck what do you mean separate temples? The coexist, there are multiple temples with Brahmins and Dalits sharing the stage and any caste can enter
@arthur fleck lmao it happened In my state and if you don't know whole story don't bark. The temple has apologised, the pandit washed feet of child and happily allowed him, the priest who didn't allow was shamed infront of everyone in village comprising mostly of Brahmins, and fine was imposed on him.
@arthur fleck as I said people like you have no education and make foolish statements without any knowledge. Tum jaise logo ko har din bas Hinduphobia failana aata hai. And on basis of few incidents you generalise everyone.
This is called journalism, hats off to your preparation and search, sir india needs this kind of reporting.
heads off and hats off
Thank His team
The people who had been cunningly kept away from their share of resources have slowly started getting their dues. And that is the greatness of DEMOCRACY itself. I don't care what anybody calls it - vote bank politics, divisiveness, opportunism or anything they want. But the Union Cabinet expansion that we saw last and now this CM appointment call for celebration.
Yes. That is the beauty of democracy. Those who have historically been persecuted can find the means to make their voice heard and make the others to acknowledge that their voice also counts. Sure it takes time, but it gets done and will continue to happen. Not like the quick fixes of dictatorships, whether military or religious or communist, all of which usually fail miserably in bringing about social cohesion in the long run.
R u dalit too? love from brahmin's bro....if yes
But does the benefits percolate to the bottom? It does not and that is sad.
@@fullaranag This is a good beginning.
@@manjulashanmugasundaram706 75 years and still beginning?? I think it is moving on a circle...
What a shame is this caste system to our society. I am born into a Brahmin family and find that people who respect Brahmins are stupid.
Why do we get mad when people convert to Islam or Christianity, who wants to live with this discrimination?
If u don't want that respect. Spend some time in Maharashtra, u will get daily dose Brahmin hatred. In today's maharashtra you will rarely find hatred or discrimination for dalits but you can easily find hatred for brahmins.
@Liberal Hindu that's their problem, Christianity and Islam are any way worse than Hinduism, and Hinduism isn't that great at all to begin with. Bunch of stories believed by idiots. But the caste problem is our to own and fix.
@@glor5978 why do Brahmins deserve respect? Instead they should offer a public apology for what they have done to others, fooling them. We all should disown our castes, and make a fresh start. As an indian, and move forward. 👍
@Liberal Hindu ok I see. But that's definitely a motivation. Eg research why Buddhism and Jainism and even Sikhism originated in India, to get rid of this caste system, and many of non violent conversions to Islam in medieval india also due to it
@@maddyc503 Why today's brahmins should apologize?
No caste in Sikhism?? 🤣 These guys have such entrenched casteism that they can’t even serve in the army together: the Sikh Regiment is ONLY for high caste Jat sikhs, the Sikh Light Infantry Regiment is for ‘dalit’ sikhs!
Good try
It's not in sikhism....give me a qoute from sikh scriptures that says follow cast system
@@jaipreetsingh6566 He is trying to instigate hate
@@Ar-ok1rg no i am not - anyone with entrenched power in a poor country like India, such as land owning Jat Sikhs in Punjab or Thakurs in Bihar, will not give up that power easily...which leads to chauvinism; whatever the Gurus said, the reality on the ground is that caste matters, ESPECIALLY for Jat Sikhs.
Anyhow, I hope everyone stays happy, chill, have a nice day.
What is Rajput regiment then? Or jaat regiment? Raha na sootiya tu?
National commission for women rights Chief seeks Punjab CM’s Channi’s resignation over #MeToo allegations
Is there a National Commission for women in India
@@user-ke4xg8kf6i yes
Thank you Shekhar for covering this. The whole of India's billion dollar news industry doesn't have a single person who thought it relevant to discuss how someone can be Sikh and SC at the same time while talking about the world's first Sikh SC leader of a state.
In varna system there are 4 varna...
Bramin- learned person
Kshatriya- warrior person
Vaishya- trader
Shudra- one who specialize in a job like a carpenter, gold smith, tailor etc.
Dalits / untouchables were those people who were out side these 4 varnas.
Many confuse Dalits as being shudra in varna hierarchy as it is the lowest. And many caste who were shudras historically demand reservation benefits as being from a caste from lower hierarchy.
@P Pierre bro learning is not get
Actually, by definition, khan Sir (patna) is a Brahmin.
@@asitdebnath correct, actually upper caste dont want power to get divided otherwise they will not be called upper caste , they like it.
I would say Sikh faith doesn’t have a caste system but punjabi sikhs being part of India follow caste systems. Sikhs are not just punjabis.. also not all Sikh punjabis follow caste system..
40% of Punjab is Hindu.
Punjabi Hindus are quite widespread in Delhi,Haryana,UP,Mumbai too
So why have so many different Gurdwara representing castes?
@@jaswinderchalliauthorthera3669 Clearly we are not following sikh principles
@@SikhMeditation Absolutely!
Giving Sikhism a bad reputation.
Many Upper caste Sikhs are in collusion with upper caste Hindus to keep lower castes oppressed.
Now you can add in Channi a Christian Sikh also screaming Hallelujah in public duly echoed by Sidhu!
I love Dalit Sikh as CM, because they are the real Sikhs.
How ?
I am Sikh (sic) of Caste politics.
Unfortunately for India, the capability of persons in high offices and their performance doesn't matter. All that matter is Religion, Caste, etc.
Pathetic.
Even Shivaji was declared unfit for coronation by the bammans because he was a Shudra…so merit, which is a myth in India, is ascribed to castes n not performance …
Brilliant. Brilliant. The tying all the threads together in a cogent narrative. Superb.
Just listen Punjabi songs every song contains word “Jatt” like thousand times.
Every jat jatt proud of being jat wheather it hindu or sikh
@@vikaschoudhary1881 yea mate… please continue your superficial proud over humanity.
Caste is curse nothing to be proud of, that’s what i believe. Enjoy your life🙂
@@vikaschoudhary1881 It's a shame, Caste is a social issue. Nothing to be proud of or ashamed of whether it is so-called "higher" or "lower" .
@@acefist1487 if they are proud what is your problem .iam proud of my caste iam a dalit
@@human8454 lol
1. A clarification: jat/ jatt is not a caste, but a racial identity. To view them as a caste, is viewing them with the same lens as the Hindu caste system or rather wanting to view them with a more familiar viewpoint. Jat(t) people are present in Balochistan, Pakistan, Panjab, Haryana, Western UP and Rajasthan. They've followed the religion of the times and the region but were, also somewhat defiant towards organized religion - being defiant and not giving two hoots about authority is in their DNA. The martial nature of Guru Gobind Singh appealed to the jat(t)'s and a lot of them converted to Sikhism during that time too. To be clear, the Sikh Guru's were not jat(t)'s and the jat(t) people didn't discriminate towards them, rather followed The Guru's. Jat(t)'s have followed Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism and Sikhism, but are racially from the same ethnic group, just as Dravidan Indians would be a separate ethnic group.
2. From a political analysis, you can view them as to how they would fit your criteria and how the politics would slice up the population as a vote bank.
I have been around sikhs...for 4years and never knew they too had caste...one of them is a very close friend of mine
Conversion to Christianity was also a surprise to me
The conversion is basically among majbi community for few bucks which is also sadly happening in every other states.
You have completely ignored Khatri and Arora sikhs of Punjab. They may not be as prominent as Jatt sikhs but they are more prosperous and have money power in Punjab and they weild considerable influence in Punjab.
But they are most peaceful they don't believe in castism and all they are true sikhs
It’s not just Dalits and Jats. Castes like Khatris, Kamboj, Gujjar, Rajputs, Tarkhans, Saini, Ahluwalia and several others are there. It would’ve been more informative if Shekhar mentioned these castes of Punjab too. Even on the other side in Pakistani Punjab there are castes - same as India plus some uniquely Muslim castes like Arain and Awan.
Hello Mr Poraxar
Do you know about Arain & Awan Castes? It will be interesting to find these Castes Origins.
@@WELSHDESI I'm not sure,but arain are just like sainis in pakistan, they're also mali(gardener) caste
@@WELSHDESI like many Pakistani communities Awans and Arains both claim an Arab origin, but many historians and anthropologists believe that Awans might have been on of the Rajput castes, while Arains were similar to Sainis of east Punjab. In fact there are a few Hindu Arain in India as per Joshua Project, but I doubt of any Hindu Awan. Even I feel Awans are of West Asian origin.
@@abhishekporaxar I think one fact that is important is that many times caste names have changed over time. For example in Pakistan Telli caste is now called Maliks, Lohar and Tarkhans are now called Mughals, Lowes caste converts to Islam are called Mussali, Gumhar caste is now called Rehmani, etc. Now you will not see any Hindu Malik caste, Mughal Caste, Musaali caste, or Rehmani caste because Hindus are still using the original caste names. Even though in Pakistan they changed the names of these castes but genetically they are still the same people.
It is possible that Awans were part of some other caste like rajputs but adopted Islam before other castes.There is no proof of there being any Awan caste in West Asia.
@@Karmazov Yes indeed. Many in fact believe, especially many colonial British Scholars of 19th and early 20th century that Awans are nothing but a branch of Rajputs who converted to Islam. It is true many castes upon conversion to Islam changed their caste names and identity. Yes, I have also seen how Lohars in Pakistan identify themselves as Mughals. However, the British scholars had well documented the origins of many of these castes of West Punjab. Also, thin line between many of the Jat, Gujjar, and Rajput caste groups in West Punjab is also interesting.
CASTE is a name.
CLASS in UK
RACE in UK
Blah blah blah.
CLASSIFICATIONS in SOCIETY EXIST IN EVERY COUNTRY.
Actually, Dalit farmers will benefit most from new farm laws. Open market sales, helps small farmers. Existing MSP is cornered by Jatt farmers only. BJP should highlight this.
Who's in a mood to listen? Everyone in Punjab became experts in Agricultural policies over night.
Idiots most dalits r not land owners but labourers in punjab
@@Mohit98303 who's talking about most of the dalits? He is talking about dalits who r farmers.
@@Mohit98303 What about farmers who work on rented land? And I heard that there is an issue of grabbing of land that was distributed after independence.
@@tron8421 in Punjab, mostly Jatt are land owners. So if there are any Dalits holding land, it's going to a very miniscule percentage
Here is a brief description of why the caste dynamics is not the same in Punjab like UP and Bihar:-
The British could not enter Punjab till Ranjit Singh was alive. After his death, the Anglo-Sikh wars were fought. This was a decade ago the great Indian revolution of 1857. There was no Sikh kingdom left to participate in the 1857 uprising, which a lot of people don't understand and accuse Sikhs of supporting the British during the uprising. Traditionally Khatris were the martial clan who gave a tough fight to the British. You got this important point wrong and totally missed the land distribution part (later explained), which was the key event. To get rid of them Britishers gave patronage to the lower caste Jatts who were traditional tilers(farm labors). Post Anglo-Sikh wars Khatris were stripped of their land holdings. The Jatts were gifted land owned by Khatris the traditional landlords in Punjab. The Khatris were made landless. They took up trading and other businesses to survive. Khatris are referred to as 'Bhapa' pronounced 'Papa' a derogatory term in Punjabi. Often Bollywood films use this term and of course, Indians use it while addressing Sikhs. If you remember the celebrated song of Dharmendra 'rafta rafta meri ankh kis see ladi hai' there is a line ' O Pape kudi phasi gayi' addressed to a Sikh gentleman among the crowd. Even Navjot Singh Siddhu has used this term in Kapil Sharma shows. In a way, Punjab progressed by the transfer of land to lower caste Jatts. But it only benefited them as Dalits were not part of the deal. This shows why land distribution is so important in today's India. With land comes economic power, which elevates social standing.
Awesome comment👍
And one thing to add 30 -40% sikh jats already left and became nri. Which also decreased their political value.
@@anonymouslyopinionated656 yes it definjtely is. The are doing same in canada what the were doing here punjab . The are more jatt canada mp according to there population in canada. Again same startegy all community singularly give vote to obe party.
Not surprised to hear cast in Sikhism, likewise, Lankan Buddhist have cast hierarchy. My understanding of Buddhism is that born against Vedic religions’ cast hierarchy.
Lol wrong
Awal Allah Noor upaya kudrat ke sab bande
All came from one light and every one is equal
Manav ki jaat sabai ekai pehchaan bo
Know all human beings as equals
Chaar varn ik varn karayu
I will make four castes into one
Jaat got singhan ki danga
Caste and surname of the sikhs is war
So please don't learn sikhi from a non sikh
The caste system will never end in India. The only way it could be ended is homogeneity. But the moment anyone does that, questions of cultural erosion and ideological dominance come into play. All in all, it is a stalemate.
@Aurangzeb, Corona E Azam I'm none we are labor class...
@@timujin3329 it’s not part of the Buddhism, but Lankan Buddhists practise cast system, even though there is no bhramins. Always the top post (President & Prime minister) will be “govi-gama”, President Premadasa was an exception.
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The whole idea of reverse caste pride is just a reactionary idea that leads to domestic fragmentation.
Which is why the PRC's (or Savarkar's probably) ethno-nationalism seems to make more functional sense.
The whole point of having a single State is to expand the tribal consciousness from a "jati" based one to a national one.
Social justice interventions that lead to this end-state must be emphasized, ones that lead to fragmentation must be diminished.
Reversing yesterday's dynamics instead of embracing today's possibilities, will make us lose this century too (as we've been so many before).
Reorganization and reversal are 2 different things . Since every aspect of the lower castes have been stigmatized and reviled culturally it is an important healing process for them to first reorganise their own idea of themselves to move forward. If they don't do that you'll have a situation where they are converting in droves to other religions to escape the cultural dehumanization that they simply cannot wish away like perhaps you can since none of this is a part of your lived reality. That defeats the nationalistic vision. We Indians like blanket moves like Demonization which promise a 1 shot solution to all our problems, we have no patience for a phase by phase long term realistic plan.
@@cauliflowerhead2735 I agree with you. But there's no guarantee that this process won't get hijacked by anti-India interest groups to stall if not ultimately reverse the process of national integration.
Pride & shame are inherently complementary & dangerous ideas, as can be seen from our (caste) & world history. The better idea would be to reject others' pride (in this case, that of "upper" castes) & along with it goes one's complementary shame.
The nation needs to be prioritized (in my opinion) because we currently live in an inter"national" world order, where the nation is the operationalizable tribal unit (historic "civilizational" glory-stories, like the RW drags in, are only tools to mobilize popular support toward this goal).
Nations continue to compete for attaining & retaining inter-generational privileges (through the IP regime, control over the global monetary system, military alliances, etc.)
When sweatshops (like the PRC) rise to challenge the favorable knowledge differential of the Primearchs (the US-led West), they are stigmatized & attempts are made to force them down into obeying their "rules-based order".
So it's not like we now live in a more egalitarian world, that we need to "correct" our way into. The dynamics of power remain the same. It has just expanded to a global scale.
If we as a nation (whatever's left of it) don't get our priorities in order, none of us will win the world (in which case, why even bother existing as one State?)
Might be we need to look at caste system differently. Caste system is not religious construct -it is a social construct.
Sadly, it is both even few scriptures compare women equal to Sudra and avarnas are out of the system
True. But when it's abused then social reforms are required and not demolition of religion. It's like throwing baby with the bath water.
I loved this episode so much information one of the best CTC by far absolutely brilliant
If he is a Sikh, he can't be dalit or anything else, because Sikhism doesn't discriminate on the basis of cast or religion. At least, I have never seen this in my village with Sikh dominated population.
He is not Harijan. He is an Yesujan running Christian ✝ organisations in Punjab, hence he is choice of Soniya dynasty, the congress.But with mask of Dalit!?🕵
Shekhar sir, a small correction in this episode. Shaheed Udham Singh was from Kamboj caste, not Ramgadhia. Also, our 9th and 10th gurus were Guru Teg Bahadur ji and Guru Gobind Singh ji.
Secondly, we are improving as a society. Head Jathedar of Akal Takht is Dalit, and now we have a dalit CM. There are lot of UA-camrs who are spreading the message of equality.
& Indians made dalit a president & obc a primeminister .
Castes do exist in Sikhism but caste hierarchy does not as it exists in Hindooism। Moreover, Caste/Varna is defined as per scriptures in Hindooism whereas Sikhi Scripture strongly rejects it
Where ever Congress comes Christianity starts Shining.
In Punjab we Jatt never criticise other caste people. Even some of my friends comes from lower caste also. We pay visit to each other home and never had in our mind until this new Dalit cm drama. 🙄
Only word to these fking politicians
Bro we are from Haryana, and I know we believe in equity but we have to make ourself strong , and we can save huminity and justice in our society...I know people will target jats....
@@vikashdhillon04 yes. Jats do lowest discrimination . The main opressers are Thakur's and Brahmans. Jats do fight only for the self respect.
Who created caste - The editors of the Rigveda and the writers of the Purusha Shukta 😂
Exactly. Not the Saptarishis.
Lol all over world we used to had caste.... It's natural.
@@notthatnotthat5859 so easy to read yet so hard to understand,that caste, in any form,does exist
@Liberal Hindu even the wikipedia says that manusrmriti is disputed. It was discovered by British historians in some fragmented pages they pieced it together. Not to say that untouchability wasn't there in hinduism since 7th century but casteism is a very different and fake identity imposed on us
Even those Verse were written to explain varna. Varna is much older than Vedas. It has not been created by a person or a group of persons. It was the result of post agrarian economy. When people were no longer dependent on hunting and gathering or cattle society started becoming more complex. New occupations came into existence. It was very natural that a boy would adopte the occupation of father because he is helping his father since childhood. As you know this was not rigid in earlier times (rig vedic period) but it started becoming rigid from 900BC.
Being a martial race wasn't a good thing btw lol the British write about how they though Martial races were "warlike" and "easily controlled"
"Prone to infighting and incapable of leading rebellions" they wrote that martial races were more easily capable of committing violence against fellow Indians with no remorse, that they weren't smart enough to plot against the Brits and were unable to create civilization akin to non-martial races in terms of grandeur and size.
hmmm ever heard of Ghadari movement
Indeed that why they left non martial races with big chunk of famine. Indeed they were able to create civilization in bengal after all.
Shocked by the words used by Gupta ji
"BjP ki aukat nahin hai"
Not expected from a senior person like Gupta ji.
His derisive comment is abhorable
Shaheed Udham Singh was from a Kamboj family, they are not SC/ST, but fall under OBC. Similarly, Giani Zail Singh was from an OBC background.
Even Ex Prime Minister Manmohan Singh too from a low caste Sikhs according to sikhs.its doesn't mean we r supporting caste system.
This is the Discovery of India of our generation! Thank you so much for taking us on a voyage of our country and its complexities. While I know and understand so little about politics, it is an eye opener for me who has lived in an island of urban progressive mindset while oblivious of the ocean of humanity and their difficult realities that surround us. We will keep going on this pilgrimage with you as far as you take us with an open mind full of hope for a better future, greater freedoms and earnest questions.
You have also ignored the Christian population among Dalit Sikh population in Punjab.
This segment also is very important in any election. As I understand, the new Chief Minister in Punjab is also a Christian.
Sikhism is the prime example that reservation won't go away from india. Even if sc st s have high points in human development indexes than the general castes in 1950s they will never come to any consensus of denouncing reservation for betterment of the country
Wow. Someone who thinks that HDI comparable to the castists in the 1950s now in 2021 is reason enough for removing reservation. You intelligence is so spectacular that it sounds like a brahmin.
@Hadoken dude you landed on a topic much away from that i conveyed.
I feel that in next 10 20 years or from now itself sc st s should question themselves that despite given opportunities since 70 years till date how much they have improved, why can't they surpass the intellectual standards of brahmins why aren't they able to compete strongly. The motive of reservation by Constitution makers will never be fulfilled by the trend these groups are taking, and this trend will continue for infinite generations.
I never argued on punjab politics intricacies. I argue if an egalitarian religion like sikhism can have such caste inequalities even when their religious preachers denounced,than its easily fathomable that indian people will start identifying themselves with more engineered caste/groups/sub groups based on miniscule differences and then politics of reservation will go on forever.
BTW i belong to OBC
@@sreekr i meant all colloquial human development indexes that determined the st sc obc status demarcation on the all the ethnic groups of the country. I am not pointing the one HDI started by amartya sen. Brother you need to look on reservation not only from the prism of hindi belt, i cite 1 example to you in Meghalaya the jaintia kingdom was a contemporary of ahom kingdom with both kingdoms having relationship. Their kings at that time had hindu names too..after that when ahom kingdom declined under the british, jaintia kingdom was left independent for many years much later became a protectorate. Accordingly both kingdom was equally illiterate until english medium education was introduced. So our Constitution maker intellectual class classified ahom kingdom castes as mostly obc and general with few st groups but the jaintia was declared st. Now i question who prevented them from attaining education,there was no any brahmins in jaintia kingdom so 0 cases of brahmical oppression,will arise., They were full time independent to take their own decisions. Constitution states st s are groups that shyied away from connecting mainstream, {so what was mainstream indian society then where even 10%population was not educated in 1900-50s, does it qualify for being called mainstream back then}so aren't these groups getting benefits consuming unreserved seats just because of the lame reason that their grandparents were shy.
People often cite dalits faced oppression from brahmins but in assam the sc s are groups that hadn't faced any discrimination like in hindi belt, all groups in assam were segregated entities with endogamy prevalent, even a sc would equally despise giving his daughter to a brahmin or bringing a brahmin daughter in law for marriage
So when our Constitution makers made the Constitution they viewed all the indian ethnic groups based on braminical oppression prism of hindi belt which doesn't hold any ground in all the regions of the country.
BTW i am an obc
Haha Shekhar ji said BJP ki aukaat nahin hai 😂 his emotions got better of him i think. He has tried to showcase himself as un-hyphenated, but then it's slips in at times 😂
It's all good, we BJP supporters don't mind that at all. If anything, I like the fact that SG is against BJP, who else will tell us what they are doing wrong? Not the channels that are supporting the government.
Thanks again Shekhar ji for yet again a terrific episode of CTC. I so am impressed by your research team 🙏
He is converted CHRISTIAN Sikh belong to DALIT.
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As a student of political science and international relations, I believe Shekhar sir’s CTC are rare found treasure on internet.
What a laugh! A Christian Evangelist foisted on the hapless to convert, being passed off as a falit and a Sikh. God help us.!
Dalit and not falit.
Being a punjabi….In Punjab ,caste is only determined by to whom u r worshipping!
As sir said there are basically 2 gurudwaras in a single village which is 100% right , one belongs to Jat Sikh and other one to SCs …. So this is how people in Punjab distinguish the caste nowadays as the work culture is so diluted .. so u can’t specified on that!!
The only leftover is WORSHIP PLACE …
Apart from this there is no way to find the person belongs to which community!!
Divisions among the population are unavoidable. Even if the paradigms were inverted there would still be separations among whatever lines people can find.
You are right; however, we mustn't forget these groups are hierarchical and not horizontal. Shias and Sunnis are equal although they try to suppress each other but Dalits and Dwijas aren't equal and no matter the numbers the Dalits are suppressed but in the case of Shias and Sunnis, the numbers decide who will oppress.
@@yash-lu7qp but I am lower caste, never faced discrimination in my life, but then again I am from gujarat.
@@homijbhabha8860 In Gujarat we mustn't forget about what happened in Una to Dalits in 2016. And we mustn't forget another thing that the major arsonists in Gujarat in 2002 were the so-called lower castes but they were led by upper castes.
You know why there are more dalits in punjab because discrimination is less if they were opressed they would not be allowed
Dalit is NOT ONE IDENTITY. There are many subsections within Dalits (some even at odds with each other). Anyways, INC may have not thought it through. If Siddu couldn't get along with Amarinder, what are the odds of the anti-Amarinder alliance lasting? Gandhis are promoting factionalism within the party. It indicates that they have lost supremacy and the iron fist.
Kahi bhi khali jagah dikhti hai tu aakar hag deta hai
@@GabbarWaldHariSingh respectfully disagree .. Sikh religions basic foundation is in equality ( plz google Sikh mool mantra - it is just 2-3 lines) . It is practiced very seriously by majority ( not by 100 percent though ) . If your comments are inspired by this video - then plz note that facts are highly exaggerated in this video) .. or you can visit any gurdwara to see absolute equality - anyone can come , same respect, same food served with same love..
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bhai Graja singh ji was a famous sikh warrior was also from low caste, but he also became a sikh. and fought the tyranny of mughals. not only him there are numerous so called ' low caste' sikh warriors, they were also sikh.
it is only some of us fools who bring shame to the religion by practicing caste system for their sake. there is no caste system in sikhism, but it is among the sikhs. I read a lot about sikh history and I became very proud that I was born as a sikh. if you ask me there is no such a thing as dalit or jatt, all are humans created by the same almighty, who are we to differentiate?
it is only some fools that because of them whole community suffers. I was a jatt sikh before but I have now become a sikh. that is why I do not use my caste in my name. I was gursimar chahal now I am gursimar singh.
Caste is omnipresent irrespective of religions across South Asia.
Where did it come from? 😂
It is Indian Subcontinent, not south Asia
Thanx to Brahminism!
This mess is still continuing!
@@alok9307 unfortunately that's the reason
Please also mention the dalit community coming from UP, Bihar because they constitute a big vote bank nowadays which every party wants to take hold of
When i visited Kerala i saw something really amazing/shocking that today's CTC topic reminded me of.
On our way to my friend's church, i saw a never ending series of huge luxury Churches at both sides of the road. Entire road had only churches. I counted till 9-10 afterwords i lost the will to count. God knows how long that road was. Could be around 20+ churches one after another compund to compound.
BTW Anyone from Kerala feel free to expand on this matter, I'm just stating my observation.
Because temples pay taxes so they have no money to help with development etc. If they have money the trust is partially controlled by the government so nothing can be done.
Your observations are noted facts from many decades. Probably each Church is different denomination or sub denomination
Same thing is started in AP too, as Govt started giving money to Pastors.
some converted people opening church (like Paan Dabba) so they could collect Govt money as Pastor
What is the point of your comment?
I am from punjab. Sikhs has so much caste discrimination. In most villages jatts has separate gurudwaras and cremation ground. In some parts of punjab some jatt parents don't allow their kids to be friends with dalits. And it's not just in punjab, in western countries it's the worst in sikhs. It would never end.
How is it worse than in hindus? I would say it‘s the same. Go to other states it‘s even worse according to statistics.
Okay, we get the caste politics and vote banks. Could we know more about his credentials, other than that he's a Dalit?
Unfortunately no voters are gonna give a shit about his credentials except his caste !
Correction !
Saheed udham singh was from Kamboj sikh community , which is a obc cast...
Happy being an Atheist.
I will soon turn myself to atheist
Then why using surname behind ur name 🤣🤣bloody hypocrite
I have a question. If someone could please answer.
Most of the people convert to other religions to avoid casteism. In case of Kerala, during the 18th & 19th century, many people converted to Islam and Christianity so as to avoid the horrific casteism they faced in Hinduism. But what I am seeing is that, even though people have converted, they still hold on to the caste. There are Dalit Christians, Dalit Muslims, Dalit Sikhs. Then what was the point of embracing another religion, in which there is no inherent concept of cast system? In this way, people will never escape the horrible practices of cast system and ultimately, cast system can never be annihilated from our country. This bad practice will go on till the earth is there.
What is then the solution for removing cast system? This just seems a never ending problem.
Benefits jo lene hain salo ko.. Ise bolte hraam ki kmayi..
You have to realize that the caste system in India has become a farce today. Traditionally prominent castes like Patels in Gujarat, or Jats in Haryana are demanding classification under OBC. So belonging to a backward caste is no longer a matter of shame, but a desirable position. Everybody wants reservation today, and this is definitely not what the makers of the constitution envisaged. Caste system will never end in India, and Brahmins can no longer be blamed for this!
This is a masterstroke by Congress, and this will have ramifications throughout the country.. well played 👏👏
Capt. Amrinder won the election in his name. A stable govt was pulled out by none other than congress high command!
It’s unlikely that congress will come to power in next elections.
Dr. Harish Puri , political science lecturer GNDU ( partner to my former school principal), gem of a person 🌻
18:33 it was harsh sir. I have been following you since long. never listen that harsh 😂
I noticed the same 😂
It's true about Punjab
SG on the point again
BJP can't rule over Punjab tho, unless the Jats somehow start supporting them.
@Hadoken Yeah but the Hindus of Punjab will also be voting for BJP. That's why their alliance with akali dal succeeded earlier.
@@amoghthorave3385 No, my friend.
Punjab is not so simply understood.
sikh gurus were totally against caste system... they said .. singh is our cast .. not jatt .. nor mazbi
The real need is land redistribution in punjab
What is the percentage of dalit land holding?
Does.anyone have the courage to address this issue ?
Why land has to be redistributed?
Just because people like u can’t earn that
Yes jats has the largest numbers of agricultural land holding in Punjab
They were given these lands by BABA BANDA SINGH BAHADUR for giving there services in Khalsa army
@@shivjotvirk91 inko har cheez population k percent k hisab se chahye, (except marks percent in exams) lekin reservation k 70 saal baad bhi inka contribution kuch nhi hai, be it education, business, or military service
Shaheed Udam Singh was Kamboj Sikh and they fall into another category (backward class)
I hope you will correct this .
So it seems to me that every religion has caste.😆
Finally some good Journalism - don’t let it die - I am rooting for you!
Disappointed that SG sir chose to shy away from highlighting fissures in INC and chose to take CTC in a totally different tangent by highlighting caste in Punjab politics.
Please don't shout at me or anything. Because I'm not disputing you. But those fissures are evident and I think even SG has discussed it multiple times. Although it would have made a little sense to talk about it because it's happening at least in another two states. It's bound to backfire at least in Punjab.
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India was for 150 years and is a complex system of Religions, Castes, Sects and Practices.
Those people now in the age group of 45-75 have learned to live/survive with the above factors in mind.
Hope the next generation of youth or millennials either evolve or transcend above the century-old factors, and establish a new society and practices.
Currently, the Economic Disparity, which again is historical, is the Prime Reason for all political parties to easily sway the mindset of the poor, middle class and upper middle class Indians.
The rich and super rich Indians (2-3% of the country's population) are always unaffected by the above factors.
Had he been a BJP CM, the tag line would have been #MeeToo accused CM but liberal parties....
In India caste is not religious but a social reality. In Kerala you will find dalit Christian having separate church.
I'm just wondering when was the last time a politician in India campaigned and won on promises of education, healthcare, infrastructure and employment.
In India, if you belong to this religion or that caste, you can win and then the country never develops and economy stagnates.
Good research and you are correct for defining the entrenchment of castes amog the Sikhs in Punjab. However, I would like to correct you on one assumption you made incorrectly. Maharaja Ranjit Singh did not promote Jatts with a bias. Instead his rule was more distributed among various religious and caste groups. In fact his main leadership in his court included notable Khatris, such as Hari Singh Nalwa, Hukma Singh Chimni the governor of Sindh, Mihan Singh the governor of Kashmir, Raja Sawanmal, Raja Kauramal, Gurmukh Singh Lamba, and Raja Moolraj of Multan. Also prominent were the Dogra Rajputs of Jammu, Bramins such as Lal Singh Misr, Pundit Jalla, and other Sikh clans such as Ahluwalia, and Ramgarhia.
Another inaccuracy, I would like to point oot is that of Sardar Udham Singh who belonged to the Kamboh or Kamboj community. The entire discussion is in contradiction to the teachings of Sikh Gurus and I am also guilty of responding to this discussion. In principle, we should not encourage discussion on castes but reality is embarassing on the rural Punjab.