Ha ha...I recently had a Portuguese princess who was on the verge of going to the convent after an illustrious career of diplomacy... She found a dysfunctional 16 year old English boy and the cougar pounced, lol! Turns out her positive traits rather nullified his dysfunctionality, they busted out 4 kids, and through some deaths in the family the English boy eventually became king of Portugal! And because his wife nullified his dysfunctionality...not the worst king...
One serious aspect of a princess is the her ability to make a fort unbribale,by attach her to the specific fort Highly important when you want block a crossing and you don't want an enemy diplomat bribe ur precious fort
You can find the triggers for traits in the game files. Successful negotiations are a trigger, but for the higher levels of these traits you have to conduct a lot of negotiations. I'm not 100% sure, but for the highest level of a trait it was 16 negotiations
Normally, with diplomats, every time a negotiation fails, the diplomat's ability goes down one step. I'm interested that with princesses, doing this won't reduce their ability to 0?
What I've noted is that if you use the princess to do several negotiations at once, all successful, she is likely to pick up +1 charm, +2 is possible, +3 as well, and the maximum for gaining this way over several negotiations (iirc) is +5. She has to have the rest of her charm come from her looks, intelligence, personality, desire to start a family, and other such traits that add charm, which you cannot influence directly. She does tend to pick up charm just from traveling far from home, and negotiations can sometimes grant her positive retinue as opposed to negative, but its about 50/50. Note also, if the negotiation is refused for any reason, that tends to scuff the ability to gain a charm from that negotiation. It's still possible but it feels a lot lower odds, whereas several successful agreements and no refusals almost always works. The negotiations should also be actual deals instead of just gifts, while gifts of gold will work, the more balanced the proposal, the more the game values it for diplomacy and charm purposes I think. I'm a bit iffy on this point. If you do trade rights, exchange map information / sell map information, offer a standard nonmarriage alliance and it is accepted, or buy a settlement from the other faction successfully, those things usually gain charm. If you gift military access and then separately ask for military access in exchange for X (usually 500 gold will do, if the thing says generous, it should work a lot), that also works. If your princess has a charm in the negatives, doing this stuff could bring her positive, but it is still limited to a possible gain of five only. A particularly unfortunate princess may only ever get a charm of like 3 or so, and could lose that much just from yappy dog or the obsessed suitor or other negative retinue you can pick up. If you want to use her to bear children for your faction, the traits of the husband will matter, the traits of her father and herself will matter, and you want to do it sooner rather than later. Also, children are more likely to happen if the total number of family members alive in your faction is less than the number of cities and castles you have combined. If you're near that limit, the rate of adoption and birthing children slows dramatically. Also, some traits weaken the ability to have children, of course. If you marry within a faction, beware of picking up the incest traits, it's always better to marry a general, unless your princess is the daughter of a member of your faction that was adopted by royalty and ascended to the throne and now have different blood. In which case, then it might be better to marry someone who is still related to the original faction leader, because then you can get the positives back from actually being blood related to them.
Throughout all my Med2 time I never actually had them marry my own generals, usually just had them for Alliances but some of those buffs would actually be pretty useful, 15% extra cash from a big city is a few extra units on the field.
So Victoria doesn't even choose white because of "purity," like the modern expectation, but because machines were replacing weavers so in a show of support she chose handmade cloth and lace, and white was the best way to show it off.
07:27 if I remember correctly (I haven’t played this game in years), if you have a high tier market building in a city where the princess is spawned, there’s a chance that she will gain an ancillary called “exotic cosmetics”, or something like that, that increases her charm, so you can actually increase her charm with at least this building chain
Nice video. In my personal experience, expanding the family was the best way to go. Trying to use a princess as a diplomat to get more positive traits, usually ended up doing the opposite as she gained bad traits with age. Marry her fast. If you can get another factions general (as you've shown), great. I always felt that time passed to quickly in this game and you didn't get enough time to play with your agents and family members. I usually married my princesses to someone young as the guy you've shown (57 years old) would be unlikely to sire any children and would die in a few turns.
Had no idea that Princesses would turn into nuns and become unavailable after the Age 40. Such a small but detailed mechanic the whole princess system(and some other features in MedII) was....
From what I remember playing that game, they actually become nuns in their late 20s or early 30s, so much earlier than age 40. I think age 40 might be the upper limit.
Ha, ha, the snobbish princess, I love it, I didn't know that! Note that whatever percentage chance it gives you, in fact it decides what will be the result and that never changes unless you 1. save the game 2. make your attempted marriage/diplomacy, spy attempt etc 3. fail, reload, SAVE the game, then try again. Saving after the reload resets the randomiser. You can also reset the randomiser by reloading, doing some other really chancy thing like attacking something or doing a chancy attempt on something, then trying again.
I tend to place mine in between 3 foreign faction settlements and keep right clicking on those settlements every turn, in order to snipe a general who's just come of age. Marrying old generals is a waste for me, even if they have good traits. They often produce fewer faction members and die sooner of natural causes.
Bizarre save times are because I stream, and do night shifts, so I'm sometimes on a weird sleep pattern. Conga savefile was for the clip at the start where the 5 princesses are in a line. I didn't know how to access the bik video files in the game folders at this point and I needed some filler footage.
For the console command you don’t need to write the name like in rtw 1, or remastered, just write “give_trait this” and trait that you want. Giving diplomats traits to Princess doesn’t work. The only not direct trait you can give is march traits like energetic or disciplinarian, or spy trait such as goodspy, she won’t be able to work as spy, but her vision will triple as consequences
Hey you got the best guides!! Can you do one on merchants? These merchants are constantly taking out my merchants to the point where I have to train new ones every turn!
This is something I started doing, but I kind of didn't finish it. I'm currently working on a trait mechanics video, but I expect I will complete it at some point. It seems that quite a few people have requested it.
AI merchants have a bonus to their attempts to buy out your merchants. Either send your merchants to very remote regions, bring an assassin to guard him, or do the fort or escort unit exploit.
@@thesavagekitti5668 Many hours of play experience bear it out but I've never seen the code that proves it conclusively. Another UA-camr mentioned it, I believe LegendofTotalWar in an old video. I trust he knew what he was talking about but as you probably know, there are many supposed facts of the game that aren't true at all, or partially true and misunderstood mechanics based on speculation, hearsay, and people taking the in-game descriptions literally.
Poor princesses. My bad luck always gives me princesses that end being called something like "the maneater", "the gorgon" or "the desperate". Maybe this is the game telling me to not have kids because they'll come out screwed up in some way or another.
Princesses's are not very well weighted in terms of traits/retinue in the base game,, and it's only possible to get max 4 charm from negotiations. Unlike most other agents, you don't have much control over their traits, and even if you got 4 charm from diplomacy, they will probably get secret lover and obsessed suitor retinue. If you want to know more about titles, there is a portion about this in traits and retinue video.
wow, I never knew you could deliberately marry a princess to one of your own guys! One problem is that the AI will suggest a marriage to one of your own guys and you have to keep saying No if you want her to marry someone else. I've always been careful not to deliberately marry a princess to one of my own faction as I think that makes him a faction heir and liable to revolt. Also, if the king dies and has no other heirs , he becomes king - a great way to capture a foreign country (or lose your own if a foreign princess marries your own guy). I may be confusing this with some of the rules of "Blood Royale" which I'm sure you would enjoy if you haven't played it.
I liked the trivia about the brides wearing blue. Also that little fact proves this channel is run by an actual woman and not a man with a voice changer
1. I speculate (but do not know for sure) that there is a hidden ratio of generals:territories the game wants you to have. So the game offers you more adoptions and marriages when you do not meet this. 2. Generals cannot remarry - all marriages, regardless of method of arrangement are binding for life and beyond. I have a video I am drafting re the family tree, which would include these topics. I will probably start making it once I have finished the merchants one, which is nearing completion.
I didn't hear it mentioned about the incorrect accounting in the game, princess spends 250 gold per turn, but doesn't write it. Each admiral-50 gold per turn.
As a work around for roleplaying sake, you can bribe the muslim general first, then once he's one of yours he can be married to a princess.@@lokkj1641
Free upkeep, unbribable, possibility of better start in early game (for example as Spain by marrying El Cid 6 star general in turn 2) So they are not useless.
"Cousins and uncles seem to be okay."
16 years later- "At least he's got two eyes, albeit way too close together."
🙂
Keeping the bloodline pure, at least 😂
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never knew that my princesses were becoming snobbish because i had money, will keep that in mind and be poor next time lol
I noticed when I was in bankruptcy my princess started getting higher stats because of 'humble' traitline
@@fartz3808wtf lol
yeah crazy, never knew.
Easy to do in med2
Never had that Problem in Medieval 2. Always enough troops to drain my cash
Ha ha...I recently had a Portuguese princess who was on the verge of going to the convent after an illustrious career of diplomacy... She found a dysfunctional 16 year old English boy and the cougar pounced, lol! Turns out her positive traits rather nullified his dysfunctionality, they busted out 4 kids, and through some deaths in the family the English boy eventually became king of Portugal! And because his wife nullified his dysfunctionality...not the worst king...
Damn. Some guys have all the luck.
Princess: *sniffs the air as she stands on top of a hill, staring at the distant castle*
"There's an eligible man in there...."
One serious aspect of a princess is the her ability to make a fort unbribale,by attach her to the specific fort
Highly important when you want block a crossing and you don't want an enemy diplomat bribe ur precious fort
I didn't know this, thanks.
That is clever, possibly, an exploit but clever
I've never seen an enemy diplomat do that, but I've only played against the AI
@@christopherwebber3804 in a hotseat all are changed
@@darkknight84123k given how many crazy exploits there are in medieval 2 its not an exploit lol
You can find the triggers for traits in the game files.
Successful negotiations are a trigger, but for the higher levels of these traits you have to conduct a lot of negotiations. I'm not 100% sure, but for the highest level of a trait it was 16 negotiations
Normally, with diplomats, every time a negotiation fails, the diplomat's ability goes down one step. I'm interested that with princesses, doing this won't reduce their ability to 0?
What I've noted is that if you use the princess to do several negotiations at once, all successful, she is likely to pick up +1 charm, +2 is possible, +3 as well, and the maximum for gaining this way over several negotiations (iirc) is +5. She has to have the rest of her charm come from her looks, intelligence, personality, desire to start a family, and other such traits that add charm, which you cannot influence directly. She does tend to pick up charm just from traveling far from home, and negotiations can sometimes grant her positive retinue as opposed to negative, but its about 50/50.
Note also, if the negotiation is refused for any reason, that tends to scuff the ability to gain a charm from that negotiation. It's still possible but it feels a lot lower odds, whereas several successful agreements and no refusals almost always works.
The negotiations should also be actual deals instead of just gifts, while gifts of gold will work, the more balanced the proposal, the more the game values it for diplomacy and charm purposes I think. I'm a bit iffy on this point.
If you do trade rights, exchange map information / sell map information, offer a standard nonmarriage alliance and it is accepted, or buy a settlement from the other faction successfully, those things usually gain charm. If you gift military access and then separately ask for military access in exchange for X (usually 500 gold will do, if the thing says generous, it should work a lot), that also works.
If your princess has a charm in the negatives, doing this stuff could bring her positive, but it is still limited to a possible gain of five only. A particularly unfortunate princess may only ever get a charm of like 3 or so, and could lose that much just from yappy dog or the obsessed suitor or other negative retinue you can pick up.
If you want to use her to bear children for your faction, the traits of the husband will matter, the traits of her father and herself will matter, and you want to do it sooner rather than later. Also, children are more likely to happen if the total number of family members alive in your faction is less than the number of cities and castles you have combined. If you're near that limit, the rate of adoption and birthing children slows dramatically.
Also, some traits weaken the ability to have children, of course. If you marry within a faction, beware of picking up the incest traits, it's always better to marry a general, unless your princess is the daughter of a member of your faction that was adopted by royalty and ascended to the throne and now have different blood. In which case, then it might be better to marry someone who is still related to the original faction leader, because then you can get the positives back from actually being blood related to them.
pretty sure the incest and inbred traits are totally random.
@@LucasCunhaRocha Yes, but it in Medieval 1 it was actual thing
Throughout all my Med2 time I never actually had them marry my own generals, usually just had them for Alliances but some of those buffs would actually be pretty useful, 15% extra cash from a big city is a few extra units on the field.
A concise guide video, this. I never knew the snobbish/caring traits were tied to faction's wealth, cheers for that!
So Victoria doesn't even choose white because of "purity," like the modern expectation, but because machines were replacing weavers so in a show of support she chose handmade cloth and lace, and white was the best way to show it off.
Otto Von Kassel became Otto Von Castle.
Yep, there was a reason I picked Otto von Kassel :P
07:27 if I remember correctly (I haven’t played this game in years), if you have a high tier market building in a city where the princess is spawned, there’s a chance that she will gain an ancillary called “exotic cosmetics”, or something like that, that increases her charm, so you can actually increase her charm with at least this building chain
Fine cosmetics iirc.
Great video! UA-cam finally recommended me some quality content. Merry Christmas btw!
Merry christmas
Oh wow, I never considered marrying my princesses to my own generals! And they might even get bonuses too?! Insane
9:52 My goodness, 3 thousand hours across many mods and vanilla, never seen this message before!
This game is so in depth lol, maybe I should spend some more campaigns playing it
I'm glad to be your 100th sub!
Nice video. In my personal experience, expanding the family was the best way to go. Trying to use a princess as a diplomat to get more positive traits, usually ended up doing the opposite as she gained bad traits with age. Marry her fast. If you can get another factions general (as you've shown), great. I always felt that time passed to quickly in this game and you didn't get enough time to play with your agents and family members. I usually married my princesses to someone young as the guy you've shown (57 years old) would be unlikely to sire any children and would die in a few turns.
Excellent breakdowns. Thank you. Commenting for the algorithm 👊
Had no idea that Princesses would turn into nuns and become unavailable after the Age 40. Such a small but detailed mechanic the whole princess system(and some other features in MedII) was....
From what I remember playing that game, they actually become nuns in their late 20s or early 30s, so much earlier than age 40. I think age 40 might be the upper limit.
It's a random chance, like dying of old age after 60.
"He was on me in a flash, father"
Ha, ha, the snobbish princess, I love it, I didn't know that! Note that whatever percentage chance it gives you, in fact it decides what will be the result and that never changes unless you 1. save the game 2. make your attempted marriage/diplomacy, spy attempt etc 3. fail, reload, SAVE the game, then try again. Saving after the reload resets the randomiser. You can also reset the randomiser by reloading, doing some other really chancy thing like attacking something or doing a chancy attempt on something, then trying again.
Thesavagekitti the white dress in the fmv marriage video could be easily modded into a blue one, ill try to open the files and see what I can do
I tend to place mine in between 3 foreign faction settlements and keep right clicking on those settlements every turn, in order to snipe a general who's just come of age. Marrying old generals is a waste for me, even if they have good traits. They often produce fewer faction members and die sooner of natural causes.
8:33 ´´portugal´´saved 3 in the morning, ´´venice´´ saved 3 in the morning xD. Im intrigue about the ´´conga´´ savefile🤔
PD: good tutorial
Bizarre save times are because I stream, and do night shifts, so I'm sometimes on a weird sleep pattern. Conga savefile was for the clip at the start where the 5 princesses are in a line. I didn't know how to access the bik video files in the game folders at this point and I needed some filler footage.
Great video! I always accept adoptions, no wonder i never get prinecsses in my campaings
Always thought they were useless thank you.
The aspect of M2TW I understand least is bribery. I’d love to learn more about it in a video. 🤗
Time to become a pretty princess!
Nevermind I misunderstood the video's title :^(
@@xyAKMxy You can only become a princess if your father is a faction leader or faction heir, and you are a female. Most of us are all out of luck.
For the console command you don’t need to write the name like in rtw 1, or remastered, just write “give_trait this” and trait that you want. Giving diplomats traits to Princess doesn’t work. The only not direct trait you can give is march traits like energetic or disciplinarian, or spy trait such as goodspy, she won’t be able to work as spy, but her vision will triple as consequences
Hey awesome video I just got back into this game and I was literally so curious abt it so this was enlightening 😩
Hey you got the best guides!! Can you do one on merchants? These merchants are constantly taking out my merchants to the point where I have to train new ones every turn!
This is something I started doing, but I kind of didn't finish it.
I'm currently working on a trait mechanics video, but I expect I will complete it at some point. It seems that quite a few people have requested it.
AI merchants have a bonus to their attempts to buy out your merchants. Either send your merchants to very remote regions, bring an assassin to guard him, or do the fort or escort unit exploit.
@@alightinthedarkages9494Thanks; how do you know this? I'm just asking because I like to be able to say if the info is speculative.
@@thesavagekitti5668 Many hours of play experience bear it out but I've never seen the code that proves it conclusively. Another UA-camr mentioned it, I believe LegendofTotalWar in an old video. I trust he knew what he was talking about but as you probably know, there are many supposed facts of the game that aren't true at all, or partially true and misunderstood mechanics based on speculation, hearsay, and people taking the in-game descriptions literally.
@@alightinthedarkages9494 Thanks
THAT'S AMAZING.
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 just watched ur merchant vid and suggest do a princess one. 5 secs later I stumble on this one, because i subbed lol
"I've got a new castle! thank you otto von kassel" 😂
Please more of those videos
Just get trade rights, sell that map info, and have her married to a member of her own faction imho!
Yeah, but then there's no one around
to deprive Otto Von kassel of his home.
Their pointy hats can substitute pikes in a pinch if needed
I think I know why this mission arrives : it is when an high value princess is in the same region like an unmaried general
You're a princess Kitti 👸 💕
Poor princesses. My bad luck always gives me princesses that end being called something like "the maneater", "the gorgon" or "the desperate". Maybe this is the game telling me to not have kids because they'll come out screwed up in some way or another.
Princesses's are not very well weighted in terms of traits/retinue in the base game,, and it's only possible to get max 4 charm from negotiations. Unlike most other agents, you don't have much control over their traits, and even if you got 4 charm from diplomacy, they will probably get secret lover and obsessed suitor retinue.
If you want to know more about titles, there is a portion about this in traits and retinue video.
wow, I never knew you could deliberately marry a princess to one of your own guys! One problem is that the AI will suggest a marriage to one of your own guys and you have to keep saying No if you want her to marry someone else. I've always been careful not to deliberately marry a princess to one of my own faction as I think that makes him a faction heir and liable to revolt. Also, if the king dies and has no other heirs , he becomes king - a great way to capture a foreign country (or lose your own if a foreign princess marries your own guy). I may be confusing this with some of the rules of "Blood Royale" which I'm sure you would enjoy if you haven't played it.
I liked the trivia about the brides wearing blue. Also that little fact proves this channel is run by an actual woman and not a man with a voice changer
What determines the probability that a non-agent princess gets a husband?
And the probability of the general's marriage to a new woman?
1. I speculate (but do not know for sure) that there is a hidden ratio of generals:territories the game wants you to have. So the game offers you more adoptions and marriages when you do not meet this.
2. Generals cannot remarry - all marriages, regardless of method of arrangement are binding for life and beyond.
I have a video I am drafting re the family tree, which would include these topics. I will probably start making it once I have finished the merchants one, which is nearing completion.
Thank you! What determines the probability of the princess leaving the faction vs her husband joining it?
I think this is the princess's charm level vs either the general's command or loyalty, not sure which general stat.
@@thesavagekitti5668 Thanks!
Love this, have you tried Crusader Kings 2 and 3?
Thank you so much
Super interesting!
I didn't hear it mentioned about the incorrect accounting in the game, princess spends 250 gold per turn, but doesn't write it.
Each admiral-50 gold per turn.
Does the relationship you have with a different faction influence the success rate of tge marriage? I presume not?
0:22 I didn’t knew that thank you
Can you marry a princess from an allied nation?
Yes you can.
@@thesavagekitti5668
even if its a muslim faction?
No, the base game won't let you do that. It will let you marry catholic to orthodox, but not to another religion, including pagan@@lokkj1641
As a work around for roleplaying sake, you can bribe the muslim general first, then once he's one of yours he can be married to a princess.@@lokkj1641
wow
This was helpful :) sub from me. please more med 2 content
Lucky otto..
Since when did girls play this game
bro what the fuck, a women who plays med2 and also has cool factoids about medieval marriages Marry me now.
Don't worry, my video on spies should be done by the end of this week.
Cringe
Gamers when women:
Based .....literally me
tldr: they are useless
(but nice work on explaining the mechanics)
far from useless, but i do wish they were more useful.
they are a free diplomat
Free upkeep, unbribable, possibility of better start in early game (for example as Spain by marrying El Cid 6 star general in turn 2) So they are not useless.
@@Kijekin477 I had my fucking lame ass princess run away with one of my generals, claming her offspring heirs to the throne.
If you were into using cheats they were very useful in keeping your family's bloodline alive. 🥲
Who tf plays as Portugal lol
Me
@@rodrigosalvez250 r u Portuguese
@@Jd-bu1cv My culture/family is.
@@rodrigosalvez250 fuckin new it
@@rodrigosalvez250 they only people who play Portugal are Portuguese lmao
Amazing video, insta sub!!!