Steve is the ultimate boxing rep in fighting games. I think the dirty boxing, foot stomps, etc. just add to it since lore-wise it’s a no holds barred MMA tournament - you’d assume a boxer in a street fight would break some of the rules. Sometime you’ll have to go back to Steve’s intro Tekken 4 and see his progression through the series. He only had flicker in 4; peekaboo was added in 6. But he had a non-rage Dempsey roll that was infinite unless stopped or broken until it was removed in 7. I’m sure others have mentioned it, but TJ Combo was a pure boxer in the original Killer Instinct game in the 90’s. The newer KI is a great game, but unfortunately they gave him all the MMA stuff. His backstory does mention Jack Johnson though, and there was a planned but canceled Windows phone boxing game app based around the character.
First of all, I actually enjoy the video. It was surprisingly entertaining. I thought it would be more informative than entertaining. It was still informative. Next point, I totally agree with your list with the order and everything. Last point, Steve and balrog both have the stomp. Steve also have some actual throws not just boxing throws and he also have a jump kick as well. Yes, Steve fox was well researched and for those who want to play an authentic boxer, it gets no more authentic then Steve fox, in which it inspires me to lab and eventually alt this character.
Steve Fox cause he's not afraid to throw a kick or use wrestling moves in a street fight funny thing in Tekken Tag 2 you can give him a Muay Thai headband to wear and he will perform a unique kick only to end up hurting himself
None of them emulate the sport quite like Steve Fox. He is as complete as i think it's ever gonna get. Dudley is my personal favourite but Steve Fox is easily the best representation of boxing in a fighting game. Honestly don't know how anyone would put TG Combo above Steve Fox. I think people are arguing an an emotional preference than anything else rather than analysing it logically.
balrog's, vega's and Bison's names were switched. in origin balrog was M.Bison, as in M.Tyson but legally distinct. then something happened and in western releases the names were switched
Just found out they worked with an actual boxer who is unnamed right now on Street Fighter 6. Also, I don't know if you've heard of a game called DNF duel but they are releasing a character called Monk who is also a boxer. I would say the best representation is definitely got to be Steve Fox. We don't have a lot of well developed 3D fighter boxers and a lot of the 2D boxers will they're kind of the same? Ed is a new spin. But what about Little Mac?
Some moves you won't really see get used in combo videos though. Dudley's sway dash and counterpunch obviously are more defensive/reactive tools that he does in response to his opponent's attacks which you won't really see in combo videos where he's purely on the offensive.
Tbf there isn’t really any competition when we talk about Tekken’s Steve Fox Tekken allows the most elements of boxing thanks to 3d plane of movement And then we have everyone in the same bag, all of them punch, some have can do things like ducking, swaying and such but it’s not really boxing it’s simply not having any kick moves Ed in SF6 is pretty alright, utilises flicker jabs, doesn’t kick, even has some ducking tho it doesn’t actually „duck” any moves Dudley is in the same bag with a bit less boxing moves but still pretty straight forward boxing Balrog plays like a big dude not really a boxer, he can sway fireballs… and that is it tho, the only thing that makes him a boxer is how you play him, big defense, counter punches
@@sky-oq5mr TJ Combo has several flashy kicks. He has a spinning kick, low kick, flying knee, push kick and he also uses the spinning backfist which is a staple kickboxing strike.
@@ObsidianElohim that's modern tj combo. Ki 1 and 2 he just boxed. Boxing in itself is a mixed martial art. There is no one way on how to box, there are many styles with names and many more without them. George foreman used wrestling in his boxing, Ali used his legs in his boxing and Joe Fraizer used his elbows and body movement for his style
Steve is a boxer, Ed is not, TJ is not either. TJ is an mma fighter or a kickboxer. Ed is a fighting game character who uses the boxing style plus magical (impossible) abilities and fighting game mechanics like a jump that goes 10 feet into the air. Steve is the only Boxer I see here.
Ed is a street fighter boxer, outside of street fighter, he'd literally be Steve, about the same moves, Ed is more of a boxer in 6 rather than 5, Ed has no kicks at all, Steve has a couple kicks, Balrog is a dirty boxer but a boxer, and TJ in KI original is an easy boxer, with multiple combos and rushes that are real boxing techniques, unfortunately they did make him Kickboxing in KI, but it fits if you know the lore of the game, having to fight robots, having to get implants to keep up with genetically enhanced fighters. Fighting game mechanics doesn't decide if a boxer is a boxer or not, if they have rooted boxing techniques including real boxing techniques, including the Ali Shuffle, they are a boxer, fighting game mechanics aside.
@BlackjackHG21 simply doing a boxing move doesn't make you a boxer. As soon as you start adding in the other stuff, it's no longer pure. That's what's in question here; who is the best pure boxer?
@@stiffmidget4036 so in that jaded instance Steve isn't a boxer because he implements a couple kicks and has a jumping stomp, which I am pretty sure isn't a real boxing technique, your attempted logic doesn't add up
@@stiffmidget4036 Ed was also mocapped by an unnamed professional boxer and he has insanely good footwork, zipping in and out of the background and foreground, the only "3D" character in Street Fighter. Balrog trained him to be a traditional boxer and they even competed in professional boxing matches and Ed fitting Street Fighter put bits and pieces of Psycho Power into his boxing creating a form he calls Psycho Boxing, using psycho power to enhance his already excellent boxing skills, like creating psycho shadows to mixup the opponent, or put psycho power behind his punches to increase his range like the flicker jab, he has a lot of other boxing techniques. They're are not a lot of pure boxers in fighting games having nothing but real boxing and nothing else, but that is just the reality of fighting games, every character needs mechanics that make them good, and traditional pure boxing doesn't really cover that, Steve, the best pure boxer in fighting games, even implements some of these tactics, using slight low kicks, jumping and stomping the feet of his opponents and exaggerated dodging punches that wouldn't go well in pure boxing, because that's not what makes a good fighting game character, if you are so bent on pure boxing in your game, go play Ippo, which most of these characters are inspired by, or Fight Night, or some other boxing game, maybe even punch out, which I would recommend.
@@revbladez5773 boxing is mixed martial arts. There is no one style of boxing...boxing itself is a sport or a category for stand up mixed martial arts. Her stand up is boxing
@@sky-oq5mr For a fighting game character to be a boxer, it needs to be their sole or at least the most heavily emphasized fighting style. That means their attacks must be almost entirely punches. That definitely does not apply for Mila, who has plenty of kicks, knees and her overall gameplay is heavily based around setting up takedowns. Calling a fighting game character a boxer becomes redundant if we count any character who has some boxing in there. It needs to almost exclusively boxing for it to count.
He's my favorite in tekken and and Balrog is my favorite in street fighter because I know he was made to fight like mike tyson and I think he's the strongest boxer in fighting games
TJ exists in a realm where Boxing is a rigged sport put on by the rich and powerful, where humans have to use everything at there disposal to win, so he is more Kickboxing than regular boxing. Out of most I've seen or played, Steve is the most accurate with the a couple of kicks for regular fg coverage, Ed is easily the most accurate in SF6, no kicks at all, and he uses signature boxing maneuvers like the Ali shuffle and the Dempsey roll, which Steve does too. Other really good ones are Dudley in Third Strike and Heavy D in Fatal Fury and early KOF, Balrog is amazing, but he is known as a dirty boxer. Dark horse entries are Tiffany Lords from Rival Schools and Akihiko Sanada from Persona Arena, two of my personal favs from there respective games too.
Nice video. While not a fan of the real sport, I always respects boxer archetype in fighting games when it's done right. Balrog is one of my mains in classic SF2, and I like playing Dudley and Vanessa too. Two notes from me: 1) While Balrog is indeed a grandfather of all fighting games' boxers in terms of establishing the archetype of boxer, as we all knows he never uses a kick, knee, fireballs and other such things in a fight, and all of his 6 buttons in SF2 were just different punches and jabs, the first Street Fighter game (1987) already had a character named Mike who was... a afro-american boxer who visually shares a lot with Balrog. But SF1 was so generic in terms of characters design, this character was extremely bland, boring in a playstyle and had no personality at all - it was a smart move from Capcom not to carry him to the sequel and to create a brand new boxer character there. Just to mention the facts. (Oh, and don't forget that Balrog raises and train Ed from a childhood - he's the one who made Ed the boxer guy and not some kind of eastern martial arts disciple or just mean street brawler!) 2) Probably, the only other notable and well designed boxer from fighting games that you're missed is Heavy D! from The King of Fighters '94 and '98. He's quite accurate boxing guy who's comprises American Sports Team in SNK's fighting universe where he's representing the boxing as a sport, and speaking of his buttons, style and moveset, he's resembles Balrog and Dudly. But I think you will give him a slightly lower rating because while he's not using feet for damage and has no real projectiles (though some of his moves makes "energy splashes" increasing the range of the attacks), he uses some non-realistic tricks like earthshaking floor punches. And, sadly, despite being well received by fans, in SNK universe this dude is an eternal loser, as American Sports Team is an object of old running gag: they being beaten and lost its invitation before almost every KoF tournament. Because of that, he's playable character only in these two chapters of KoF series.
I believe everyone was referring to the 1994 version of TJ Combo. Where he was more of an actual boxer. TJ in the version you reviewed had transformed into an MMA fighter.
Steve is in the fight game that most of characters fighting styles are closer to reality the other games are full of gimicks, fireballs and things like that. So considering it and excluding Tekken of the math, Dudley , Ed ,Balrog or Vanessa?
They wouldn't let the flight at all. Steve weights 165lbs and balrog weights 252lbs. Steve might have a speed advantage but if rog lands pretty much anything heavy the fights over
I would say your wrong but with that much weight difference you’re entirely right, only way for Steve to win would be to not get hit by anything direct at all, and if he did most likely be dead af
Tekken as a game is more akin to boxing than a 2D fighter, so no matter who the character was it was most certainly gonna be from tekken. No disrespect to Steve fox, but i feel he’s mostly the best because of the game and not the actual character. In street fighter x tekken for example he was a pretty whack excuse for a boxer because 2D fighters aren’t built for boxers. But Ed is very underrated, his powers make him feel jarring at first glance but he uses his powers in ways that only a boxer would think of, like making his flicker jab more lethal and more ranged or turning guys into literal punching bags for his super. And it helps to actually play him with a boxing mentality, being patient and out ranging them with flickers and waiting for an opening is vital for that character. You basically are player a mix of Thomas hearns and Floyd Mayweather on psycho steroids.
It's Dudley, 100%.
Steve is the ultimate boxing rep in fighting games. I think the dirty boxing, foot stomps, etc. just add to it since lore-wise it’s a no holds barred MMA tournament - you’d assume a boxer in a street fight would break some of the rules. Sometime you’ll have to go back to Steve’s intro Tekken 4 and see his progression through the series. He only had flicker in 4; peekaboo was added in 6. But he had a non-rage Dempsey roll that was infinite unless stopped or broken until it was removed in 7.
I’m sure others have mentioned it, but TJ Combo was a pure boxer in the original Killer Instinct game in the 90’s. The newer KI is a great game, but unfortunately they gave him all the MMA stuff. His backstory does mention Jack Johnson though, and there was a planned but canceled Windows phone boxing game app based around the character.
Steve fox for the win.
You forgot the true grandfather of video game boxer. LIL MAC from Mike Tyson's Punch Out. But he's a beast in super smash bros.
Well punch out is a boxing game so I would say that balrog is still the grandfather for the boxing archetype in fighting games
First of all, I actually enjoy the video. It was surprisingly entertaining. I thought it would be more informative than entertaining. It was still informative. Next point, I totally agree with your list with the order and everything. Last point, Steve and balrog both have the stomp. Steve also have some actual throws not just boxing throws and he also have a jump kick as well. Yes, Steve fox was well researched and for those who want to play an authentic boxer, it gets no more authentic then Steve fox, in which it inspires me to lab and eventually alt this character.
I knew Steve was gonna win
Steve Fox cause he's not afraid to throw a kick or use wrestling moves in a street fight funny thing in Tekken Tag 2 you can give him a Muay Thai headband to wear and he will perform a unique kick only to end up hurting himself
None of them emulate the sport quite like Steve Fox. He is as complete as i think it's ever gonna get. Dudley is my personal favourite but Steve Fox is easily the best representation of boxing in a fighting game.
Honestly don't know how anyone would put TG Combo above Steve Fox. I think people are arguing an an emotional preference than anything else rather than analysing it logically.
1. Dudley
2. Balrog
3. Steve Fox
I agree.
Just gonna say Dudley, no explanation that is all
balrog's, vega's and Bison's names were switched. in origin balrog was M.Bison, as in M.Tyson but legally distinct. then something happened and in western releases the names were switched
For 2D fighting games it was Dudley for 3D fighting games it's Steve Fox the head movement the perrying the combos
Great video and I agree with your ratings!
Just found out they worked with an actual boxer who is unnamed right now on Street Fighter 6. Also, I don't know if you've heard of a game called DNF duel but they are releasing a character called Monk who is also a boxer. I would say the best representation is definitely got to be Steve Fox. We don't have a lot of well developed 3D fighter boxers and a lot of the 2D boxers will they're kind of the same? Ed is a new spin. But what about Little Mac?
Dudley
TJ combo reminds me of Michael Jai White's character in Undisputed 2: Last Man Standing. After he had to learn mixed martial arts from a boxers base.
If you judge these characters, you should look at them from an exhibition of combos rather than vs battles as that showcases their potential moreso.
Some moves you won't really see get used in combo videos though. Dudley's sway dash and counterpunch obviously are more defensive/reactive tools that he does in response to his opponent's attacks which you won't really see in combo videos where he's purely on the offensive.
Tbf there isn’t really any competition when we talk about Tekken’s Steve Fox
Tekken allows the most elements of boxing thanks to 3d plane of movement
And then we have everyone in the same bag, all of them punch, some have can do things like ducking, swaying and such but it’s not really boxing it’s simply not having any kick moves
Ed in SF6 is pretty alright, utilises flicker jabs, doesn’t kick, even has some ducking tho it doesn’t actually „duck” any moves
Dudley is in the same bag with a bit less boxing moves but still pretty straight forward boxing
Balrog plays like a big dude not really a boxer, he can sway fireballs… and that is it tho, the only thing that makes him a boxer is how you play him, big defense, counter punches
It's already obvious that Steve win, 3D vs 2D
TJ combo is a freaking kickboxer MMA guy
Still a boxer. Even Steve Fox has kicks
@@sky-oq5mr TJ Combo has several flashy kicks. He has a spinning kick, low kick, flying knee, push kick and he also uses the spinning backfist which is a staple kickboxing strike.
@@ObsidianElohim that's modern tj combo. Ki 1 and 2 he just boxed. Boxing in itself is a mixed martial art. There is no one way on how to box, there are many styles with names and many more without them. George foreman used wrestling in his boxing, Ali used his legs in his boxing and Joe Fraizer used his elbows and body movement for his style
@@sky-oq5mr no style of boxing uses kicks and knees. That's why the other things are called Kickboxing, Muay Thai,, Full Contact Karate, K1 etc
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I am partial to Dudley, particularly third strike Dudley.
bru looked at the wrong tj combo 😂😂😂
Little Mac 🎉
Steve fox vs Balrog
TJ combo no contest
Steve, different stances, evasive movement, good head movement and if you want to take something off him bro cheats with stomps
Wheres my boi Little Mac tho😭😭
That’s a boxing game technically speaking
@@BoxingFanatico Yeah true true lmao but still great video man 🔥
Steve Fox
They need to put Mike Tyson in Mortal Kombat, how awesome would that be?
Dudley the best one
Steve is just the boxer yknow
Steve Fox Wins !
Steve is a boxer, Ed is not, TJ is not either. TJ is an mma fighter or a kickboxer. Ed is a fighting game character who uses the boxing style plus magical (impossible) abilities and fighting game mechanics like a jump that goes 10 feet into the air. Steve is the only Boxer I see here.
Judging by your profile picture I can’t take you seriously for information .ed is clearly a boxer just with psycho power abilities
Ed is a street fighter boxer, outside of street fighter, he'd literally be Steve, about the same moves, Ed is more of a boxer in 6 rather than 5, Ed has no kicks at all, Steve has a couple kicks, Balrog is a dirty boxer but a boxer, and TJ in KI original is an easy boxer, with multiple combos and rushes that are real boxing techniques, unfortunately they did make him Kickboxing in KI, but it fits if you know the lore of the game, having to fight robots, having to get implants to keep up with genetically enhanced fighters. Fighting game mechanics doesn't decide if a boxer is a boxer or not, if they have rooted boxing techniques including real boxing techniques, including the Ali Shuffle, they are a boxer, fighting game mechanics aside.
@BlackjackHG21 simply doing a boxing move doesn't make you a boxer. As soon as you start adding in the other stuff, it's no longer pure. That's what's in question here; who is the best pure boxer?
@@stiffmidget4036 so in that jaded instance Steve isn't a boxer because he implements a couple kicks and has a jumping stomp, which I am pretty sure isn't a real boxing technique, your attempted logic doesn't add up
@@stiffmidget4036 Ed was also mocapped by an unnamed professional boxer and he has insanely good footwork, zipping in and out of the background and foreground, the only "3D" character in Street Fighter. Balrog trained him to be a traditional boxer and they even competed in professional boxing matches and Ed fitting Street Fighter put bits and pieces of Psycho Power into his boxing creating a form he calls Psycho Boxing, using psycho power to enhance his already excellent boxing skills, like creating psycho shadows to mixup the opponent, or put psycho power behind his punches to increase his range like the flicker jab, he has a lot of other boxing techniques. They're are not a lot of pure boxers in fighting games having nothing but real boxing and nothing else, but that is just the reality of fighting games, every character needs mechanics that make them good, and traditional pure boxing doesn't really cover that, Steve, the best pure boxer in fighting games, even implements some of these tactics, using slight low kicks, jumping and stomping the feet of his opponents and exaggerated dodging punches that wouldn't go well in pure boxing, because that's not what makes a good fighting game character, if you are so bent on pure boxing in your game, go play Ippo, which most of these characters are inspired by, or Fight Night, or some other boxing game, maybe even punch out, which I would recommend.
TJ Combo was more of a Boxer in the old games, in the Xbox version he was changed into a MMA character
TJ Combo of the Pre Reboot iswhat they mean.
Steve Fox hands down. The 3D aspect alone makes Steve the best portrayal of a boxer in any fighting game.
Street fighters had 3D games and doa had Mia.
3D fighting games are way more niche, picking any 3d character to represent all fighting games doesn't work
@@sky-oq5mr Mila is an MMA fighter.
@@revbladez5773 boxing is mixed martial arts. There is no one style of boxing...boxing itself is a sport or a category for stand up mixed martial arts. Her stand up is boxing
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For a fighting game character to be a boxer, it needs to be their sole or at least the most heavily emphasized fighting style.
That means their attacks must be almost entirely punches.
That definitely does not apply for Mila, who has plenty of kicks, knees and her overall gameplay is heavily based around setting up takedowns.
Calling a fighting game character a boxer becomes redundant if we count any character who has some boxing in there. It needs to almost exclusively boxing for it to count.
He's my favorite in tekken and and Balrog is my favorite in street fighter because I know he was made to fight like mike tyson and I think he's the strongest boxer in fighting games
Steve is the strongest boxer in fighting games. He can knock a building down with a punch and weave bullets
Could you do an analysis on Death Battle’s TJ Combo vs Balrog. Not only it talks about their backstory, but as well as their boxing styles.
You got to see TJ on the Nintendo version of killer instinct the Xbox version is not the best version of him
TJ exists in a realm where Boxing is a rigged sport put on by the rich and powerful, where humans have to use everything at there disposal to win, so he is more Kickboxing than regular boxing. Out of most I've seen or played, Steve is the most accurate with the a couple of kicks for regular fg coverage, Ed is easily the most accurate in SF6, no kicks at all, and he uses signature boxing maneuvers like the Ali shuffle and the Dempsey roll, which Steve does too. Other really good ones are Dudley in Third Strike and Heavy D in Fatal Fury and early KOF, Balrog is amazing, but he is known as a dirty boxer. Dark horse entries are Tiffany Lords from Rival Schools and Akihiko Sanada from Persona Arena, two of my personal favs from there respective games too.
So I would assume your picks would be
1. Steve Fox
2. Balrog
3. Dudley
4. Vanessa
5.Ed
6. TJ Combo
Am I right or close?
this man is owning the fact he does not know about fighting games
and it's fine because that's not the point but it's funny
Nice video. While not a fan of the real sport, I always respects boxer archetype in fighting games when it's done right. Balrog is one of my mains in classic SF2, and I like playing Dudley and Vanessa too. Two notes from me:
1) While Balrog is indeed a grandfather of all fighting games' boxers in terms of establishing the archetype of boxer, as we all knows he never uses a kick, knee, fireballs and other such things in a fight, and all of his 6 buttons in SF2 were just different punches and jabs, the first Street Fighter game (1987) already had a character named Mike who was... a afro-american boxer who visually shares a lot with Balrog. But SF1 was so generic in terms of characters design, this character was extremely bland, boring in a playstyle and had no personality at all - it was a smart move from Capcom not to carry him to the sequel and to create a brand new boxer character there. Just to mention the facts. (Oh, and don't forget that Balrog raises and train Ed from a childhood - he's the one who made Ed the boxer guy and not some kind of eastern martial arts disciple or just mean street brawler!)
2) Probably, the only other notable and well designed boxer from fighting games that you're missed is Heavy D! from The King of Fighters '94 and '98. He's quite accurate boxing guy who's comprises American Sports Team in SNK's fighting universe where he's representing the boxing as a sport, and speaking of his buttons, style and moveset, he's resembles Balrog and Dudly. But I think you will give him a slightly lower rating because while he's not using feet for damage and has no real projectiles (though some of his moves makes "energy splashes" increasing the range of the attacks), he uses some non-realistic tricks like earthshaking floor punches. And, sadly, despite being well received by fans, in SNK universe this dude is an eternal loser, as American Sports Team is an object of old running gag: they being beaten and lost its invitation before almost every KoF tournament. Because of that, he's playable character only in these two chapters of KoF series.
I believe everyone was referring to the 1994 version of TJ Combo. Where he was more of an actual boxer. TJ in the version you reviewed had transformed into an MMA fighter.
Steve is in the fight game that most of characters fighting styles are closer to reality the other games are full of gimicks, fireballs and things like that. So considering it and excluding Tekken of the math, Dudley , Ed ,Balrog or Vanessa?
They wouldn't let the flight at all. Steve weights 165lbs and balrog weights 252lbs. Steve might have a speed advantage but if rog lands pretty much anything heavy the fights over
I would say your wrong but with that much weight difference you’re entirely right, only way for Steve to win would be to not get hit by anything direct at all, and if he did most likely be dead af
@@kylemendes7246 agreed
Little Mac.
I Mean C'mon, He Beat Mike Tyson.
I agree wholeheartedly. But You should have at least looked at Vanessa's supers.
I want to see a mod of Floyd Mayweather or Sugar Ray Robinson over Ed and Steve Fox
Steve Fox 100% this is the best designed boxer in any game
Steve fox no contest
Steve no contest
Steve Dudley Boxer Vanessa. probably in that order
Tekken as a game is more akin to boxing than a 2D fighter, so no matter who the character was it was most certainly gonna be from tekken. No disrespect to Steve fox, but i feel he’s mostly the best because of the game and not the actual character. In street fighter x tekken for example he was a pretty whack excuse for a boxer because 2D fighters aren’t built for boxers.
But Ed is very underrated, his powers make him feel jarring at first glance but he uses his powers in ways that only a boxer would think of, like making his flicker jab more lethal and more ranged or turning guys into literal punching bags for his super. And it helps to actually play him with a boxing mentality, being patient and out ranging them with flickers and waiting for an opening is vital for that character. You basically are player a mix of Thomas hearns and Floyd Mayweather on psycho steroids.
the best boxer in fighting games would have been more appropriate
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Anybody not saying steve has to be on drugs but who is this ed dude? Might have to get street fighter