***** It's a direct translation. They didn't change any of the text used, excluding wordplay, since Japanese puns wouldn't make sense in English. This means that is the exact same text in the Japanese version.
Lucas is smiling so much in Smash 4, it gives me so many feelings when I think about everything he has gone through. Bless his little heart to move forward ;n;
@@ultimateinternetman4335 Yeah, there's a 7-stage model, but the most accepted is the 5-stage model. 1. Denial 2. Anger 3. Bargaining 4. Depression 5. Acceptance
This is amazing writing. It uses the clipped, clinical, hyper-objective descriptions of old JRPG battle systems to temper the ridiculously high emotional stakes. Since all the sentences describing what's happening are so short and leave so much for you to fill in, but are so specific and descriptive, it turns what could easily be eye-rolling melodrama into an instant tear-jerker. "Lucas isn't sure what to do anymore." "Lucas felt heartbroken." "Lucas remembered Claus' smell." All of these clinically straightforward descriptions of these hyper-emotional moments keep things in check, so that we can go allow ourselves to feel for these characters without getting lost in the melodrama. They also use the fact that it's a game to tell their story -- no one tells you that you can start attacking Claus after Flint gets hit, but if you try it, then you realize that. And it makes sense.
Completely agree. This exact fact makes it so much more emotional, because it isn't streamlined and delivered directly to your face (many melodramas stating things just to be emotional and dragging on forever), but it's realistic and somehow so much more personal than what would otherwise have been. I have seen few media do the same - which is a shame, really, but I realise it's hard to pull off. It's a lesson in storytelling, imo.
The final phase just got to me. "Lucas isn't sure what to do anymore" and the low damage inflicted by Claus.. But nothing made me cry more after seeing "Claus took mortal damage!" No, literally. From that point on, I actually cried.
The moment that broke me was when I read "Masked man fired an intense bolt of lightning. The Franklin Badge reflected it." All I could say was "no, no, no"
It may not seem like much, but who praises the game designers for adding a pause during moments to make the effect more dramatic? Such as the final intense bolt of lightning. The Franklin Badge reacts slowly, but the sound and the visual effect makes it more impacting after the long pause.
I have played this game before, and I think these should have been the actual backgrounds. These are really moving, they go with the battle, and they show pretty much what our character, Claus, went through on the game. I know its a game, but...GOD IT'S SO MOVING! [sob]
I kinda wished they had kept these backgrounds in the game. When I fought the Masked Man I could never tell if I was doing the right thing in the battle, It's not like when fighting Gygas where you're actually doing something, you just have to wait until the cutscenes decide to play on their own, sometimes you have to fight to get them to play, sometimes you have to guard. At least with the changing backgrounds you could tell that something's actually happening.
Alternatively, as revealed in unused music and sprite data, there is another ending that was ultimately removed from the game due to frightening scenes. In this ending, rather than Claus coming to realization that he is just a slave of Porky, Lucas accidentally kills him, without Claus ever coming back to his sense. After pulling the final needle, Lucas is destroyed emotionally, mostly due to that his mother was killed when he was young, his hometown was transformed and abandoned by evil, and he was forced to kill his mindless brother. He then enters a psychological state, named "Lucas's Nightmare". This is believed to be the games true final boss, but an unbeatable boss, killing Lucas in the process. The Dragon enters his soul and infuses to rewrite the world, similar to Leder's story. This world is basically a set frame of time in Lucas's hometown, without Porky and his minions. This rewritten world is what you see in the ending of the game where you move the End? logo around and talk to others.
You did a really fantastic job incorporating the unused backgrounds. I honestly feel like that fit the battle a whole lot better than Ness' Nightmare BG did. Also I had never known there were flash back cut scenes unused up until I saw this video. Honestly, I feel like adding those in along with the scene of Hinawa and Flint talking about their newborn twins actually adds a whole lot of depth that shows just how close Clause and Lucas were, not only as brothers but as a family as a whole, since up til this point, we'd never seen the whole family actually together save for the very beginning when you name them all. So yeah I'd say this was definitely well put together. You did a fantastic job, man.
@@solarflare9078 ness' nightmare background only uses red color though (which is what does the masked man's background during chapter 7 fight now when i think about it)
i never felt such a way towards any final boss battle ever it's impossible to fully watch the battle without getting the most depressing and empty feeling on my life i just feel complete misery whenever i force myself to sit through it
How I think this battle would have gone down: 1-Robot: Lucas believes Claus is a mindless slave. This phase progresses like a normal boss fight where you must defeat Claus. 2- Grey Claus: Same. 3-Angel: Lucas believes Claus is dead. This phase progresses like the last one. Throughout these phases. the unused "One Two Three Five" song is played. After them, Hinawa calls out for the first time, causing for the next phases. These progress the same as the used fight in the final game, with the music going back to Battle Against the Masked Man. 4- Static "X" 5- Red outline of Claus- Lucas begins to fear Claus. 6- White eyed picture of Claus- Although Lucas realizes Claus is still alive, he feels defenseless against him as he cannot do anything. 7- White eyed sprite of Claus- Lucas feels as if Claus wants revenge for his death. 8- The dreaded Vapor2- Lucas feels utterly terrified. Fear is the only emotion he is feeling, as he truly feels as if Claus has become nothing but a demon out to kill him. From here, the cutscenes play. When it returns to the battle, It's Over is playing with the final phases of the battle beginning. 9- Naked Claus- I don't know what this is supposed to symbolize, but I would assume it would be used in this part. 10- Clothed Claus- Lucas realizes Claus is alive. 11- Lucas and Claus- Lucas realizes Claus is his brother, and the battle finishes just as it did in the final game.
Naked Claus could represent Claus in his most pure form, as in the Japanese culture, the naked form, reprensents the purity, an pure Heart of sincerity, and a bunch of other meanings, also you can notice he's in a child form, children, in most mitologies and cultures, represent the inocence and purity, and kindness...
I think that if you die, Hinawa will give some words of motivation or something and leaves you with 1 HP or acts like LifeUo y. I can't remember which one though. Or maybe neither if those happens.
Well, because it's more depressing than Earthbound. It's not only about a masochist alien, it's about a family's bond. Even without those backgrounds, you're already feel depressed to the past memories of "masked man", which is under both Claus and Porky/Pokey's control. Anyway, nude kid scene or sprites are also appears in Mother 2, but it got removed in Earthbound and changed with Ness with pajamas
As someone who's got a twin sister, I'm just gonna say: fuck Mufasa's death and Titanic, this is true tearjerking material. (For the record, I'm still shedding tears.)
I love how the static during the memories indicate his emotions throughout the scenes. I especially love that when Hinawa looked at the camera, it flickered between red, which established anger, and blue, which established regret/sadness. I’ve watched this scene a while ago and didn’t notice until today.
I don't actually think those backgrounds would have appeared in this order. Supposedly, these were the backgrounds that were made for, what was described by Itoi as, a nightmarish ending that would have used no dialogue. These images when put in a certain order could symbolise a terrifying entity slowly transforming into Claus. In fact, just for the sake of speculation, I think what was going to happen originally was that the spirit-like image you see turn from gold to silver would have been a spirit that leaves the Masked Man's body, and that would be the first form, and the longer the fight plays out, the more the image of Claus appears clearer. I would also speculate that the fight would have multiple phases, the first being the masked man, then after that phase it goes to the spirit enemy. I think the order would go from first to last: 1) The really crackly grey and red background, which would be the phase where you fight Masked Man. 2) The same background but with the outline of Claus's face, minus the colours 3) Perhaps the next phase would be when the golden spirit appears. 4) The silver spirit background would then appear (perhaps the red mark would appear on it's head after being beaten up) 5) The silver image of Claus naked with red eyes. Then a third phase would trigger and that would be where the unused "call" command would be used, to bring Claus back to his senses. I'd imagine the flashback cutscenes would play in-between these backgrounds, and are distorted because they are how they look from the Masked Man's perspective. 5) It would be the big red face of Claus 6) The full image of Claus with those dead eyes 7) The pixellated version of Claus with dead eyes 8) The image of Claus naked. 9) The image of Claus fully clothed 10) And finally Claus and Lucas together. With this order of backgrounds used, I imagine the ending would have played out like this: You kill the Masked Man in the first phase, then the evil spirit of Claus leaves the body, which you must fight. After it is weakened you must call to the spirit before it reaches heaven, or wherever Hinawa and everybody else would be once Lucas pulls the final needle, thus making the next life a happy one. I could be super wrong of course but that's just what I picked up on after observing the images in this order and looking at some of the other unused animations, as well as this game's theme of beauty through loss.
Gygas was supposed to appear in mother 3, and there are unused sprites of the masked man exploding and laying on the ground, dead. It was probably more along the lines of you defeat the masked man as you do here, but when you think it's over, "Gygas" appears and takes control of Lucas' soul. Then you fight the literal embodiment of Lucas' depression and sadness as Gygas makes it its plaything.
I remember when I named Lucas and Claus as me and my best friend. This friend, was my best friend 2 years ago, but he was forgetting me slowly. When I played this part of this game I felt very, very bad, because this symbolizes our non-existent friendship.... I wanna cry...
See this is the thing that a lot of people missed, when you name all the characters based off your family members... Well you already know what will happen during the final battle! Even though you know its not real, it really hits you hard. Especially since the final fight literally consumes you and makes you feel like your apart of the game... If anyones willing to part with the characters' real names like DudeCrafter here... Prepare for tears! ;-;
claus looked at lucas' franklin badge. Claus fired an intense beam of lightning! lucas' bage reflected it back! claus took mortal damage! this is what they originaly thought.
@@anrandomlenna because he has a longer head most mother characters have round heads & their mouthed are at the bottom of their face almost & duster has a chin on his sprites to that’s why he looks normal while everyone else looks like their smiling
This is epic but frickin’ scary. Seriously the background is giving me nightmares. The cutscenes made my dog cry. The music is just wrong. W H E R E I S M O T H E R 4?
Glacio Official Itoi said that he was done with the series, as he made them during and for a particular time in his life that’s already passed, and it wouldn’t make sense for him to make another one. I’d still love for it to happen, though.
man, this is the greatest entry to the earthbound series yet. earthbound zero: just your typical jrpg with a typical "beat all the bad guys and save the world" storyline. I was never a big fan of this one. Earthbound: the funnest entry. this game is hilariously quirky in its own way, not a big fan of the story, and giygas. my God. EB 3: neat visuals for a 32 bit game, wonderful storyline, improved game mechanics, (I love how your health bar doesn't immediately drop when you die, so you still have time to heal) and the unused backgrounds just adds to the emotions of the final boss. (vapor 2 terrifies me, but with these unused backgrounds, I can actually tell if I'm doing anything, of making progress through the battle.)
I feel like Mother 1 is more than a simple RPG, in the Mother 1 guidelines it gives you more details about Ninten's family and so his grandfather George, but due to the budget limit Itoi failed to put them in the game.(Mr. Itoi said his script was first rejected by Nintendo.） If you happen to have Mother guideline booklet you will find it incredibly detailed: It even told you when George was born and how he was raised in an educated family. The booklet said that George then become a local newspaper journalist which the instinct of a journalist require him to discover the mysterious of the Aliens and ends up lost his wife Maria. Also, the original story is supposed to have more family connection rather than start by a sudden upheaval. I think the back story that given to Giygas is also really good and the type of endgame boss fight was considered a innovation and stereotype breaker of 90s RPG, which in Itoi's own words "is way too feminine". The purpose of Itoi is virtually to change the masculine sense of RPGs and even response to 90s social phenomenons. (eg. 90s Japanese youths against paternalism so mangas and games were generally want to avoid to give too many description of protagonist's family life so audience can project themselves on, and what Itoi did is just the opposite.)
I hope Claus will be reunited with his mother and ness from where he’s going I know it would be really hard to watch your own brother die on your own hands but I know the only reason he used that bolt of lighting was because he felt sorry for all the people and family that he betrayed and one day this family will be reunited and can be happy forever
Fun fact:If you revive any teamate Claus will fire an *intense bolt of lightning* seen at the end instantly k.o'ing them except for Lucas and reflects the bolt but doesn't kill clause meaning the mask was what kept him safe from dying from the lightning strike.
Reasons for Removal [This is just my point of view of why they were removed. I’ve feel like I’ve done enough research to know why the backgrounds and scenes were removed. So I hope my point of view is reasonable.] Backgrounds The backgrounds were removed due to the fact the the people working on the game thought it was too horrifying for the player to look at. But really? Just because of that! The backgrounds would’ve really represent the final battle to it’s full potential; showing what it was really mean’t to be! Scenes It’s unknown why they were removed, but could’ve been speculated to be really depressing. Note: I’m going to be honest, I’m pretty glad that you were able to find these unused features. This is something amazing that should’ve been used in the first place, and even though they weren’t used, I’m glad now that we can use them.
MrKeyblademaster1992 he uses lightning to kill them on the turn you resurrect them, but it reflects off the badge and hits himso that leaves me wondering has anyone ever tried filling lucas's inventory with lifenoodles and resurrecting someone on every turn so he uses lightning to kill them, just to see if he could kill himself with his own lightning before the whole event plays out? i might test that sometime (i wont i'm sure i'll forget i ever posted this)
Stu Pickles I remember using a lot of life noodles on them and he didn't die. I doubt he can. All I heard is if you hit him enough, Hinawa will start sobbing. That's one thing I've never seen happen.
I love how this makes use of the rolling health bar, in Mother 2 it was basically only useful in bosses later on like the Kraken, so here when it's necessary is pretty cool
i like to think that when the dragon wakes up, the world resets itself to be a world without the pigmask army, bringing back hinawa and claus, not necessarily starting the world completely over from scratch, but just from when the final needle was pulled.
The robot and the angel spritez i believe were originally meant to be final boss phases that were cut from the final game. I saw this info previously and, they do look like battle sprites.
I forgot about this, but seeing it again made me cry buckets. When claus gives his final breath and the scene before the removal of the needle, both of them hit in my feels
@@galvaniccorsair He turned him into a machine, so he became some Darth Vader and did lots of sh%t such as pushing the needles, for Porky then, in the battle's moment, he recovers his humanity and kills himself.
The music combined with the background feels so much more impactful. Not only in fear, everyone agrees in that, but in the deep sadness and loss. This figure before you was once your brother. And now all that remains of him is a mangled machine that's not supposed to be alive. This is all said before, but man, did it hit me just now.
Why wasn't this version used? The backgrounds were much cooler and felt like they would be more emotionally impactful on the player? Also the additional cut scenes mid-fight were scrapped for what reason?
Naked Claus. that's probably the only reason i can think of, considering this game is rated E compared to Earthbound's current T rating (it was now changed to T from KA, in case you wonder.)
Yeah, after seeing your brother, which you thought died, turned into a cyborg zombie, come to the realization that it's impossible to have free will or live without the cybernetics and succumb to suicide... I think I would hit the "end the world" button pretty fucking hard. I can't tell if the beta elements add or subtract from the battle, though I still think they were for something else entirely.
The game designers really did a fantastic job with making you feel on edge and uncomfortable with this battle. Like you were almost Lucas. This still holds the top spot for best writing and most sadness in my book.
I'm not sure if this is true, but I remember hearing somewhere that originally Kumatora was the 7th Magypsie and was supposed to disappear at the end of the game after Lucas pulls the final needle. I'm glad that got changed, this ending is sad enough as is.
Wow, this is great. I finished the game a few days ago and I'm looking into various unused things and these backgrounds do feel perfect with the final boss like this. But, I have to say, I prefer how it was in the final game because when you finally see Claus' face. It really lands that emotional punch. I think the cutscenes really would've helped the emotional aspect too.
@@robertlainsley824 he meant that Lucas and claus were in the same place and it looked like it was blue shorts but also a blue shirt so it looked like nesses clothes
Jeez, imagine seeing that, though. You're in a battle against, (spoilers if you haven't watch already??) your twin brother, and you just see deformed hallucinations in the background of your brother, and other things. I'd be terrified.
how the fuck have i not cried at this?! do i even have feels? well, i think i'm happy that i had to sacrifice my brother to save the world or something.
I know I'm really late to this and I doubt I'll get any response, but if anyone does see this, can we discuss the backgrounds with the robotic figures? I'm assuming they're supposed to be Claus, but the golden one really strikes me. That one doesn't even look like a robot, but more like an angel with the wings and what not. Maybe that's supposed to represent his soul and who he is on the inside after seeing his reconstructed exterior? But I'm not sure, that one sprite always disturbed me a little and left me puzzled as to what exactly is represents.
There are very few games that emotionally affect me like this one did. It's very rare a game makes me actually cry while playing it. The only ones I can think of is the original Mother, and Undertale. Maybe it's because they all have the theme of loving your family, and I don't care about anything more then my family. Also, the only thing that confuses me about this fight, is why did Claus kill himself? Like, I know he's a cyborg, but why does that matter if he remembers his family? I guess it's just one of those things where they can't face knowing all the pain they caused to the ones they love. But gosh dang it Claus, stop being emo. ;-;
Claus feelings took mortal damage after everything: Dying of Hinawa-- -50 Trying to kill Mecha Drago-- -100 Becaming a robot-- -45 Lucas-- -5 MORTAL DAMAGE Escapes into other world.
Try the "You're the Inspiration" stage of Elite Beat Agents. It's the one stage in the game that throws the silliness of the rest of the game *almost* completely out the window.
Earthbound: FATTY CAKES AND JETUS DEMONS WTF Mother 3: "clause fired an intense bolt of lightning" no "the franklin badge reflected it" NO "claus took mortal damage" MYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
3 way controller "Claus fired an intense bit of lightning" no... "the franklin badge reflected it" NO NO SON OF A BITCH NO "Claus took mortal damage!" NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
If there ever is an official localization, I really hope at least some of the unused background animations for this battle are re-added. We all know exactly who's presence,lingering somewhere, they are suppose to call back to with them and that seething red. I think it would have been a better way to tie all three titles together if they had been kept in.
Lucas had already knew that the Masked Man was Claus, but it would make sense if Flint had become unconscious before telling Lucas the Masked Man's true identity. If these backgrounds and cutscenes were to be added of course.
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"Lucas isn't sure what to do anymore."
The game's use of text is just so perfect.
Remember, the English translation isn't official.
pokeguy151 His internet alias is Tomato.
***** It's a direct translation. They didn't change any of the text used, excluding wordplay, since Japanese puns wouldn't make sense in English. This means that is the exact same text in the Japanese version.
Wasn't the translator for the English patch of Mother 3 the translator for Kingdom Hearts 2 though? So he's gotta really know what he's doing
Yeah, Clyde Mandelin is great. He has a channel on UA-cam now.
Lucas is smiling so much in Smash 4, it gives me so many feelings when I think about everything he has gone through. Bless his little heart to move forward ;n;
Kilala4 I noticed that too in brawl he looks so depressed and never smiles now he kicks ass
That's awesome, now that I think of it...
In smash there are plenty of characters who had similar fates like Snake, Cloud, Ike, etc
*_Claus skin_*
@@KimiOmega Lucas has a character arc in Brawl. I mean, he goes from being a coward to a strong kid thanks to his aventure with the trainer.
When you realise that Claus's unused backgrounds are him going through the 5 stages of grief.
Wait what
Wait how
Nani?
I thought it was the 7 stages of grief
@@ultimateinternetman4335
Yeah, there's a 7-stage model, but the most accepted is the 5-stage model.
1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance
Feelings took mortal damage.
MaxPlaysGames Be Orginal idiot
MaxPlaysGames Dam Ur Right :o
HARD PP
Chill it’s just a UA-cam comment they didn’t do anything wrong
Besides
It’s fucking true
@@hardpp7706
This is amazing writing. It uses the clipped, clinical, hyper-objective descriptions of old JRPG battle systems to temper the ridiculously high emotional stakes. Since all the sentences describing what's happening are so short and leave so much for you to fill in, but are so specific and descriptive, it turns what could easily be eye-rolling melodrama into an instant tear-jerker.
"Lucas isn't sure what to do anymore." "Lucas felt heartbroken." "Lucas remembered Claus' smell."
All of these clinically straightforward descriptions of these hyper-emotional moments keep things in check, so that we can go allow ourselves to feel for these characters without getting lost in the melodrama. They also use the fact that it's a game to tell their story -- no one tells you that you can start attacking Claus after Flint gets hit, but if you try it, then you realize that. And it makes sense.
Completely agree. This exact fact makes it so much more emotional, because it isn't streamlined and delivered directly to your face (many melodramas stating things just to be emotional and dragging on forever), but it's realistic and somehow so much more personal than what would otherwise have been.
I have seen few media do the same - which is a shame, really, but I realise it's hard to pull off. It's a lesson in storytelling, imo.
"It's just a game, it's just a game"
*cries river
SAAAME IM JUST LIKE
WAAAAAAAH by the end i was done.
"Im going to where Mom is now."
+xXHello_InternetXx where mother is*
+M.A.G.E GAMING can you not when you sob hard enough you forget all of the words
+xXHello_InternetXx I was just meme-ing about the game's title, Claus does say where mom is
+M.A.G.E GAMING no memes at a time like this, the time is not dank in any way.
The final phase just got to me.
"Lucas isn't sure what to do anymore" and the low damage inflicted by Claus..
But nothing made me cry more after seeing "Claus took mortal damage!" No, literally. From that point on, I actually cried.
Professor Heavy
"Lucas isnt sure what to do anymore."
games at their best.
Professor Heavy You Are Gaygas?
I got spoiled and knew what would Happen.
At "Claus embraces Lucas" I cried like a bitch.
The moment that broke me was when I read "Masked man fired an intense bolt of lightning. The Franklin Badge reflected it." All I could say was "no, no, no"
Its the music that chokes me every time.
It may not seem like much, but who praises the game designers for adding a pause during moments to make the effect more dramatic? Such as the final intense bolt of lightning. The Franklin Badge reacts slowly, but the sound and the visual effect makes it more impacting after the long pause.
Of course, I should have expected this. I tend to comment a lot on videos I see. You're 1 of a lot of people to ask me the same question.
DOES THAT MAKE YOU A STALKER?!
*STOP STALKING ME*
+AnimeLover08 Get out of here, S.T.A.L.K.E.R
*EVERYONE STALKS ME*
13:31 ... This guy plays with balls... he got down to 1-3 health
He almost blew the whole thing right there. XD
He almost screwed himself over lol
XD
@@yourlocalgarbagecan6094 what if he had at least one of the magypsy mementos
I have played this game before, and I think these should have been the actual backgrounds. These are really moving, they go with the battle, and they show pretty much what our character, Claus, went through on the game. I know its a game, but...GOD IT'S SO MOVING! [sob]
Even the naked Claus background?
Kyle Spinks other than that, lawl
He's all, maybe if I show myself naked, Lucas won't use that Franklin Badge. XD
I really don't understand why the red crosses went unused because it could have been cool
Way cool
I kinda wished they had kept these backgrounds in the game. When I fought the Masked Man I could never tell if I was doing the right thing in the battle, It's not like when fighting Gygas where you're actually doing something, you just have to wait until the cutscenes decide to play on their own, sometimes you have to fight to get them to play, sometimes you have to guard. At least with the changing backgrounds you could tell that something's actually happening.
@TakuPlayz funny how that's how my eyeballs feel during the fight
They never should of removed these backgrounds. Like why are these bad but the original mother 2 background wernt? Lol
It actually doesn't matter what you do. A certain number of turns just have to pass before the cutscenes play.
Glitching background and warping background would beg to differ
This is still a generally sad scene, but I cracked up when I saw the naked Clauses in the background.
and the "claus looked around" that accompanied it its like having one of those dreams XD
***** i was hacked
Change your profile picture.
Oh god your pfp 🤮
Exactly what happened to me
Alternatively, as revealed in unused music and sprite data, there is another ending that was ultimately removed from the game due to frightening scenes. In this ending, rather than Claus coming to realization that he is just a slave of Porky, Lucas accidentally kills him, without Claus ever coming back to his sense. After pulling the final needle, Lucas is destroyed emotionally, mostly due to that his mother was killed when he was young, his hometown was transformed and abandoned by evil, and he was forced to kill his mindless brother. He then enters a psychological state, named "Lucas's Nightmare". This is believed to be the games true final boss, but an unbeatable boss, killing Lucas in the process. The Dragon enters his soul and infuses to rewrite the world, similar to Leder's story. This world is basically a set frame of time in Lucas's hometown, without Porky and his minions. This rewritten world is what you see in the ending of the game where you move the End? logo around and talk to others.
What... WHAT THE FUCK?
BumpBob Looly and I thought this game was depressing enough already.
What the....So THIS was what the game was supposed to be? Oh man
My theory was mostly correct then...
BumpBob Looly That's just your theory or is there some strong evidence about this that I don't know about?
The part where you hear Claus say “Help me, Lucas, help me” gave me a legit panic attack.
I was watching this with no sound, now I wonder what else I missed
Timestamp
Megaman X it stars at 4:04 and is really quiet and distorted so you may really have to listen for it
@@JustaMallard damn I cant hear a thing
How can you hear him say that if there was no localization? If there was any voice it would have been in Japanese…
You did a really fantastic job incorporating the unused backgrounds. I honestly feel like that fit the battle a whole lot better than Ness' Nightmare BG did.
Also I had never known there were flash back cut scenes unused up until I saw this video. Honestly, I feel like adding those in along with the scene of Hinawa and Flint talking about their newborn twins actually adds a whole lot of depth that shows just how close Clause and Lucas were, not only as brothers but as a family as a whole, since up til this point, we'd never seen the whole family actually together save for the very beginning when you name them all.
So yeah I'd say this was definitely well put together. You did a fantastic job, man.
Actually, the background is the Mani Mani Statue, but I agree this fits more!
@@GuipenguinTheMaster It's both
I agree, but the fact that it was Ness' Nightmare implies that this could be Lucas' Nightmare.
@@solarflare9078 ness' nightmare background only uses red color though (which is what does the masked man's background during chapter 7 fight now when i think about it)
If this isn't the most emotional final battle ever, I don't know what is.
**i dont even know what it is
Oh boi, that last phase. ;-;
i never felt such a way towards any final boss battle ever it's impossible to fully watch the battle without getting the most depressing and empty feeling on my life i just feel complete misery whenever i force myself to sit through it
You got the undertale pacifist ending, it's pretty sad
Pauline King it’s a physical clone with no dark and depressing undertones. Pacifist ending is the homework meme but in a game.
TFH Darkstorm - Inspiration does not mean it’s a rip off. The battle is definitely similar, but it’s tied to different themes and ideas.
I cant believe I didn’t realize this until now but Lucas and Claus are anagrams of each other’s names
Wow
WAIT THEY DO WHAT
+The Ender Golem They both are an anagram.
Clever, Itoi.
Don't worry, a lot of people realized at a later stage too.
How I think this battle would have gone down:
1-Robot: Lucas believes Claus is a mindless slave. This phase progresses like a normal boss fight where you must defeat Claus.
2- Grey Claus: Same.
3-Angel: Lucas believes Claus is dead. This phase progresses like the last one.
Throughout these phases. the unused "One Two Three Five" song is played. After them, Hinawa calls out for the first time, causing for the next phases. These progress the same as the used fight in the final game, with the music going back to Battle Against the Masked Man.
4- Static "X"
5- Red outline of Claus- Lucas begins to fear Claus.
6- White eyed picture of Claus- Although Lucas realizes Claus is still alive, he feels defenseless against him as he cannot do anything.
7- White eyed sprite of Claus- Lucas feels as if Claus wants revenge for his death.
8- The dreaded Vapor2- Lucas feels utterly terrified. Fear is the only emotion he is feeling, as he truly feels as if Claus has become nothing but a demon out to kill him.
From here, the cutscenes play. When it returns to the battle, It's Over is playing with the final phases of the battle beginning.
9- Naked Claus- I don't know what this is supposed to symbolize, but I would assume it would be used in this part.
10- Clothed Claus- Lucas realizes Claus is alive.
11- Lucas and Claus- Lucas realizes Claus is his brother, and the battle finishes just as it did in the final game.
In some Japanese cultures or something the naked is like purity or something
Naked Claus could represent Claus in his most pure form, as in the Japanese culture, the naked form, reprensents the purity, an pure Heart of sincerity, and a bunch of other meanings, also you can notice he's in a child form, children, in most mitologies and cultures, represent the inocence and purity, and kindness...
@@yeenjaw yea
13:32 was WAY too close to blowing the whole thing.
+JolsAwesomeMC
Le confusion...
I think that if you die, Hinawa will give some words of motivation or something and leaves you with 1 HP or acts like LifeUo y. I can't remember which one though. Or maybe neither if those happens.
David Cone None happened for me so
JoIsAwesome right at 3
@@davidcone1433 if you have the momentos from the magypsies they will revive you at this moment
Oh, that is way more impactful. They should have used these backgrounds. Nice work!
Fauntleroy The backgrounds were left unused because the creator found them too downright terrifying.
Yes true
they did the same thing for earthbound (terrifying backgrounds) so why can't they do it for Mother 3?
Well, because it's more depressing than Earthbound. It's not only about a masochist alien, it's about a family's bond. Even without those backgrounds, you're already feel depressed to the past memories of "masked man", which is under both Claus and Porky/Pokey's control.
Anyway, nude kid scene or sprites are also appears in Mother 2, but it got removed in Earthbound and changed with Ness with pajamas
fair enough
As someone who's got a twin sister, I'm just gonna say: fuck Mufasa's death and Titanic, this is true tearjerking material. (For the record, I'm still shedding tears.)
I appreciate those moments. Don't tarnish them. Have enough sentiment for everything.
Aflay Or maybe I can have my opinion?
+Amelia Holstein He didn't say you have to like them just respect them.
Tha Swami Did I say you had to like them?
Amelia Holstein Nope.
I love how the static during the memories indicate his emotions throughout the scenes. I especially love that when Hinawa looked at the camera, it flickered between red, which established anger, and blue, which established regret/sadness. I’ve watched this scene a while ago and didn’t notice until today.
I don't actually think those backgrounds would have appeared in this order. Supposedly, these were the backgrounds that were made for, what was described by Itoi as, a nightmarish ending that would have used no dialogue. These images when put in a certain order could symbolise a terrifying entity slowly transforming into Claus. In fact, just for the sake of speculation, I think what was going to happen originally was that the spirit-like image you see turn from gold to silver would have been a spirit that leaves the Masked Man's body, and that would be the first form, and the longer the fight plays out, the more the image of Claus appears clearer. I would also speculate that the fight would have multiple phases, the first being the masked man, then after that phase it goes to the spirit enemy.
I think the order would go from first to last:
1) The really crackly grey and red background, which would be the phase where you fight Masked Man.
2) The same background but with the outline of Claus's face, minus the colours
3) Perhaps the next phase would be when the golden spirit appears.
4) The silver spirit background would then appear (perhaps the red mark would appear on it's head after being beaten up)
5) The silver image of Claus naked with red eyes.
Then a third phase would trigger and that would be where the unused "call" command would be used, to bring Claus back to his senses. I'd imagine the flashback cutscenes would play in-between these backgrounds, and are distorted because they are how they look from the Masked Man's perspective.
5) It would be the big red face of Claus
6) The full image of Claus with those dead eyes
7) The pixellated version of Claus with dead eyes
8) The image of Claus naked.
9) The image of Claus fully clothed
10) And finally Claus and Lucas together.
With this order of backgrounds used, I imagine the ending would have played out like this:
You kill the Masked Man in the first phase, then the evil spirit of Claus leaves the body, which you must fight. After it is weakened you must call to the spirit before it reaches heaven, or wherever Hinawa and everybody else would be once Lucas pulls the final needle, thus making the next life a happy one. I could be super wrong of course but that's just what I picked up on after observing the images in this order and looking at some of the other unused animations, as well as this game's theme of beauty through loss.
Gygas was supposed to appear in mother 3, and there are unused sprites of the masked man exploding and laying on the ground, dead.
It was probably more along the lines of you defeat the masked man as you do here, but when you think it's over, "Gygas" appears and takes control of Lucas' soul. Then you fight the literal embodiment of Lucas' depression and sadness as Gygas makes it its plaything.
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Jeez
@@LouisAndPillz what the actual
@@LouisAndPillz nope, Itoi confirm that Giygas was never planned in game and final fight always was thought as Brother vs Brother
I remember when I named Lucas and Claus as me and my best friend.
This friend, was my best friend 2 years ago, but he was forgetting me slowly.
When I played this part of this game I felt very, very bad, because this symbolizes our non-existent friendship....
I wanna cry...
One of the games what made me cry,
Named characters close to my heart and I just spewed a flood of tears.
See this is the thing that a lot of people missed, when you name all the characters based off your family members... Well you already know what will happen during the final battle!
Even though you know its not real, it really hits you hard.
Especially since the final fight literally consumes you and makes you feel like your apart of the game...
If anyones willing to part with the characters' real names like DudeCrafter here... Prepare for tears! ;-;
claus looked at lucas' franklin badge.
Claus fired an intense beam of lightning!
lucas' bage reflected it back!
claus took mortal damage!
this is what they originaly thought.
Dang it, Claus!
claus want to death lucas and him for go whit hinawa in my theory
Bage💀[the emojis changed too 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀]
23:42 Kumatora is looking way too happy for this scene XD
ikr, the side sprites look happy.
@@thisispkmadness well duster has a side sprite that makes him look neutral
@@anrandomlenna because he has a longer head most mother characters have round heads & their mouthed are at the bottom of their face almost
& duster has a chin on his sprites to that’s why he looks normal while everyone else looks like their smiling
This is epic but frickin’ scary.
Seriously the background is giving me nightmares.
The cutscenes made my dog cry.
The music is just wrong.
W H E R E I S M O T H E R 4?
Glacio Official Itoi said that he was done with the series, as he made them during and for a particular time in his life that’s already passed, and it wouldn’t make sense for him to make another one. I’d still love for it to happen, though.
Some fans tried to make a Mother 4.
They’re still working on it after 7 years, though.
Histocrat 641402 13 years now
@@josephb.4640 Still gotta wait for Winter 2014
@@UnknownSource3 well winter 2014 arrived and now we have oddity
This makes me cry everytime....
Me too , Mew.
Me too...
ok redditor
Lucas remembered Claus's smell...
(earlier in the game)
Boney sniffed the masked man...
Boney didn't smell anything...
"You'll fogive your hasty brother won't you?"
That's the heart breaker.
How do they make a 32 bit game so emotional? ;__;
Preston Conrad because emotions don't have anything to do with bits.
because they shatter your heart in 32 bits.
Because....*Nintendo*
its been 5 years but isnt it 16 bit?
yeah this is nowhere near 32 bit, guess the over 100 people who liked the comment are retarded
man, this is the greatest entry to the earthbound series yet.
earthbound zero: just your typical jrpg with a typical "beat all the bad guys and save the world" storyline. I was never a big fan of this one.
Earthbound: the funnest entry. this game is hilariously quirky in its own way, not a big fan of the story, and giygas. my God.
EB 3: neat visuals for a 32 bit game, wonderful storyline, improved game mechanics, (I love how your health bar doesn't immediately drop when you die, so you still have time to heal) and the unused backgrounds just adds to the emotions of the final boss. (vapor 2 terrifies me, but with these unused backgrounds, I can actually tell if I'm doing anything, of making progress through the battle.)
"your health bar doesn't immediately drop when you die, so you still have time to heal"
that originated from earthbound, not mother 3
I feel like Mother 1 is more than a simple RPG, in the Mother 1 guidelines it gives you more details about Ninten's family and so his grandfather George, but due to the budget limit Itoi failed to put them in the game.(Mr. Itoi said his script was first rejected by Nintendo.） If you happen to have Mother guideline booklet you will find it incredibly detailed: It even told you when George was born and how he was raised in an educated family.
The booklet said that George then become a local newspaper journalist which the instinct of a journalist require him to discover the mysterious of the Aliens and ends up lost his wife Maria. Also, the original story is supposed to have more family connection rather than start by a sudden upheaval.
I think the back story that given to Giygas is also really good and the type of endgame boss fight was considered a innovation and stereotype breaker of 90s RPG, which in Itoi's own words "is way too feminine". The purpose of Itoi is virtually to change the masculine sense of RPGs and even response to 90s social phenomenons. (eg. 90s Japanese youths against paternalism so mangas and games were generally want to avoid to give too many description of protagonist's family life so audience can project themselves on, and what Itoi did is just the opposite.)
Someone help, no matter how many times I watch or play the final battle, I always cry.
I cry to, In the middle I started crying, and by the end I was SOBBING
I can’t cry :(
Now understanding that Claus meme.
I'm crying now.
What?
Sadly I don’t know that Claus meme so uh FU-
@@cac_deadlyrang *anything* won’t bring claus back, that’s the meme and i hate it
Understanding the Claus meme won't bring him back.
I hope Claus will be reunited with his mother and ness from where he’s going I know it would be really hard to watch your own brother die on your own hands but I know the only reason he used that bolt of lighting was because he felt sorry for all the people and family that he betrayed and one day this family will be reunited and can be happy forever
Fun fact:If you revive any teamate Claus will fire an *intense bolt of lightning* seen at the end instantly k.o'ing them except for Lucas and reflects the bolt but doesn't kill clause meaning the mask was what kept him safe from dying from the lightning strike.
amazing how his shirt still fits after 3 years
Reasons for Removal
[This is just my point of view of why they were removed. I’ve feel like I’ve done enough research to know why the backgrounds and scenes were removed. So I hope my point of view is reasonable.]
Backgrounds
The backgrounds were removed due to the fact the the people working on the game thought it was too horrifying for the player to look at. But really? Just because of that! The backgrounds would’ve really represent the final battle to it’s full potential; showing what it was really mean’t to be!
Scenes
It’s unknown why they were removed, but could’ve been speculated to be really depressing.
Note: I’m going to be honest, I’m pretty glad that you were able to find these unused features. This is something amazing that should’ve been used in the first place, and even though they weren’t used, I’m glad now that we can use them.
Another thing that I wonder: Is it possible to revive your fallen party members in the beginning of this fight?
Yes, but the Masked Man will use his Lighting attack to knock them out again.
Metkuratsu Mizuiro
Well that sucks
MrKeyblademaster1992 I gave them all Momentos...and the Momentos never activated...
MrKeyblademaster1992 he uses lightning to kill them on the turn you resurrect them, but it reflects off the badge and hits himso that leaves me wondering
has anyone ever tried filling lucas's inventory with lifenoodles and resurrecting someone on every turn so he uses lightning to kill them, just to see if he could kill himself with his own lightning before the whole event plays out?
i might test that sometime
(i wont i'm sure i'll forget i ever posted this)
Stu Pickles I remember using a lot of life noodles on them and he didn't die. I doubt he can. All I heard is if you hit him enough, Hinawa will start sobbing. That's one thing I've never seen happen.
Now this... this was sad. The pure emotion this part of the game displays... I almost cried. I literally almost broke down in tears.
Claus without pupils is somewhat terrifying
I love how this makes use of the rolling health bar, in Mother 2 it was basically only useful in bosses later on like the Kraken, so here when it's necessary is pretty cool
You know, I didn't even know the cutscenes existed.
I can see why these were cut, though. The battle was long enough without them.
Because maybe after the idea of killing porky was rejected Lucas was meant to accidentally kill Claus
I did this with the cut backgrounds and cutscenes but I used character modifier so all my party members were Claus XD
Claus 3
Taking fighting your bad side to a whole new level.
Adding picky and pokey to the end of earthbound time
Claus vs his brainwashing!
That guy really took his chances at 13:30
Mother 3's ending and Claus's death always brings a tear to my eye. When I first saw the ending, I broke down.
Dang they were really gonna show Claus' life flashing before his eyes
The ones that get me are "You must be so exhausted" and "You'll forgive your hasty brother, won't you?"
this traumatised me more than anything
i like to think that when the dragon wakes up, the world resets itself to be a world without the pigmask army, bringing back hinawa and claus, not necessarily starting the world completely over from scratch, but just from when the final needle was pulled.
The robot and the angel spritez i believe were originally meant to be final boss phases that were cut from the final game. I saw this info previously and, they do look like battle sprites.
I forgot about this, but seeing it again made me cry buckets. When claus gives his final breath and the scene before the removal of the needle, both of them hit in my feels
Imagine being a kid and playing this.
Fun fact:Claus's death was Porky's fault
Fun fact: *Everything* was Porky's fault
No shit dude.
Can you explain?
@@galvaniccorsair He turned him into a machine, so he became some Darth Vader and did lots of sh%t such as pushing the needles, for Porky then, in the battle's moment, he recovers his humanity and kills himself.
It was Ness' fault
For not accepting Pokeys apology
9:06 why do I find this part so funny?
I think it might be because his music combo ruins the creepiness to the battle music.
How can you even combo to this “music”? I find it very odd.
@@josephb.4640 the music still has a rhythm and Claus still technically has a heartbeat to combo to
"Which could explain the unused music where Claus says 'HELP...ME...LU...CAS...!!!'"
Does... anyone have this bgm? I'm curious about it.
i'm 4 years late but it's that one guy saying 1235 just s l o w
That’s Giygas’s unused theme
The music combined with the background feels so much more impactful. Not only in fear, everyone agrees in that, but in the deep sadness and loss. This figure before you was once your brother. And now all that remains of him is a mangled machine that's not supposed to be alive.
This is all said before, but man, did it hit me just now.
I haven't even played this bit watching this through made me physically cry and I haven't cried in 3 years.
Why wasn't this version used? The backgrounds were much cooler and felt like they would be more emotionally impactful on the player? Also the additional cut scenes mid-fight were scrapped for what reason?
+Растко Probably for the same reason the possible Giygas fight was gone: for the kiddies.
Naked Claus.
that's probably the only reason i can think of, considering this game is rated E compared to Earthbound's current T rating (it was now changed to T from KA, in case you wonder.)
Yeah, after seeing your brother, which you thought died, turned into a cyborg zombie, come to the realization that it's impossible to have free will or live without the cybernetics and succumb to suicide... I think I would hit the "end the world" button pretty fucking hard.
I can't tell if the beta elements add or subtract from the battle, though I still think they were for something else entirely.
Did I notice that Claus and Lucas are pretty much the same name?
How creative of them. >:D - Aathur
Oh my god. That's genius. The letters Claus can be rearranged into Lucas.
It's weird...
BUT CLEVER.
I just think it's cool.
It was called the notebook
The game designers really did a fantastic job with making you feel on edge and uncomfortable with this battle. Like you were almost Lucas. This still holds the top spot for best writing and most sadness in my book.
17:21 some major inconsistencies coming up with SSB and Mother 3, being that
HE CAN STAY IN WATER FOR PROLONGED TIME
the static and distortion in the flashbacks is such a good touch. like Claus’s cyborg side is fighting to keep the memories from resurfacing almost
This is the original and more better than the censored
+Yoshino (Blanc) what do you mean censored?
Peachfig About the background
it wasn't censored, it just wan't used
what do you mean censored
+Kaine Dickens I know now :°D
Although the kujiko machine is basically a slot machine, I always liked how it was use in the mother series
This game is so good it's even managed to make me forget about Silksong hype.
I'm not sure if this is true, but I remember hearing somewhere that originally Kumatora was the 7th Magypsie and was supposed to disappear at the end of the game after Lucas pulls the final needle. I'm glad that got changed, this ending is sad enough as is.
The flashbacks at 16:38 hurts, like, a lot.
Holy crap. I don't even play Earthbound and all of that jazz and I thought it was awesome. Good job dude. Seriously.
I literally just finished playing a week ago, and bawled my eyes out. Now I get to do it again. Gods damnit. Also those backgrounds are terrifying.
All of the things lucas' went through...It truly makes a depressed character. Sadder then negitave man...
This looks simply amazing! Nice work!
Wow, this is great. I finished the game a few days ago and I'm looking into various unused things and these backgrounds do feel perfect with the final boss like this. But, I have to say, I prefer how it was in the final game because when you finally see Claus' face. It really lands that emotional punch. I think the cutscenes really would've helped the emotional aspect too.
12:03 ness pops in :)
where?
+Swag Dawg He was thinking "Your name is Ness" as a joke.
What?
@@robertlainsley824 he meant that Lucas and claus were in the same place and it looked like it was blue shorts but also a blue shirt so it looked like nesses clothes
I believe the unused flash backs were supposed to be use with the unused skill "consider" like Paula's pray skill
Lucas should have brought a snickers because you're not you when you're hungry.
Jeez, imagine seeing that, though. You're in a battle against, (spoilers if you haven't watch already??) your twin brother, and you just see deformed hallucinations in the background of your brother, and other things. I'd be terrified.
Trying not to cry during this fight is like trying not to cry when your dog dies. Literally impossible.
how the fuck have i not cried at this?! do i even have feels? well, i think i'm happy that i had to sacrifice my brother to save the world or something.
Totally wasn't about to cry by the end of this, damn the unused assets make this battle way more impactful.
I know I'm really late to this and I doubt I'll get any response, but if anyone does see this, can we discuss the backgrounds with the robotic figures? I'm assuming they're supposed to be Claus, but the golden one really strikes me. That one doesn't even look like a robot, but more like an angel with the wings and what not. Maybe that's supposed to represent his soul and who he is on the inside after seeing his reconstructed exterior? But I'm not sure, that one sprite always disturbed me a little and left me puzzled as to what exactly is represents.
Yeah, makes sense
i think it's supposed to resemble that Lucas knows that the Claus he knew is dead
This scene alone after the battle has one of the best music tracks Nintendo made, very beautiful and yet very sad.
I think the last boss was gonna be nightmare fuel.
A NAKED CLAUS.
right in the feels
3:45 I don’t think any game has quite as horrifying cut content as Mother 3 but christ, this? This is genuinely terrifying
I wish there was an alternate ending where Claus gets to live, instead of dying. This is just sad and depressing. ;~;
This is what makes the ending one of the best ending of video games
This is what makes the ending one of the best ending of video games
This is what makes the ending one of the best ending of video games
This is what makes the ending one of the best ending of video games
This is what makes the ending one of the best ending of video games
the part where Hinawa says "come to your mother" literally feels like someone used PK Flash
This would have been so much better than what they actually used.
Does it creep anybody out how one animation looks like Claus had X's in his eyes
That was meant to say Claus is dead
23:14
They're gonna meet right away, with the end of the world and all that
a nus
but the dark dragon destroyed EVEYTHING, How could that possibly be? My take is that the magpysies LIED and everything went to shit
@@Invidente7 the world reincarnated or something at the end
Jesus Christ it's been like 10 years or more since this got translated and I still cry like a bitch at that ending
There are very few games that emotionally affect me like this one did. It's very rare a game makes me actually cry while playing it. The only ones I can think of is the original Mother, and Undertale. Maybe it's because they all have the theme of loving your family, and I don't care about anything more then my family. Also, the only thing that confuses me about this fight, is why did Claus kill himself? Like, I know he's a cyborg, but why does that matter if he remembers his family? I guess it's just one of those things where they can't face knowing all the pain they caused to the ones they love. But gosh dang it Claus, stop being emo. ;-;
It's probably because Claus's moment of lucidity was just that, a moment, and he wanted to end it before he could pull the seventh Needle.
Claus feelings took mortal damage after everything:
Dying of Hinawa-- -50
Trying to kill Mecha Drago-- -100
Becaming a robot-- -45
Lucas-- -5 MORTAL DAMAGE
Escapes into other world.
WasabiKitKat The Professor Layton series would make you sob.
Try the "You're the Inspiration" stage of Elite Beat Agents. It's the one stage in the game that throws the silliness of the rest of the game *almost* completely out the window.
Much more fitting. The backgrounds wrap and outline the masked man perfectly. This must’ve been how they were originally supposed to be used
Earthbound: What the fuck???
Mother 3: ;-;
Earthbound: FATTY CAKES AND JETUS DEMONS WTF
Mother 3: "clause fired an intense bolt of lightning" no "the franklin badge reflected it" NO "claus took mortal damage" MYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
3 way controller "Claus fired an intense bit of lightning" no...
"the franklin badge reflected it" NO NO SON OF A BITCH NO
"Claus took mortal damage!"
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
One of the greatest philosophiser said
*NO CRYING TILL THE END*
man that first background change during the boss fight to show that head makes it almost feel like a creepypasta
If there ever is an official localization, I really hope at least some of the unused background animations for this battle are re-added. We all know exactly who's presence,lingering somewhere, they are suppose to call back to with them and that seething red. I think it would have been a better way to tie all three titles together if they had been kept in.
Lucas had already knew that the Masked Man was Claus, but it would make sense if Flint had become unconscious before telling Lucas the Masked Man's true identity. If these backgrounds and cutscenes were to be added of course.