Mother 3 - Unused Content
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2022
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Warning! Major spoilers for Mother 3!
In this finale to my Mother 3 playthrough, we look at many unused, cut, and pre-release content!
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Additional Footage and Information by GGFan ( / ggfan )
Original Claus/Lucas art by RK-d ( / arcadenonsense )
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My favorite cut content was the English version
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Comedy
The fan translation
O you’re talking spicy. 🔥
Much love.💪🏾💙
Here's some explainations for some of the unused sprites
-Kumatora was originally planned to be the seventh Magypsy, but they choose Fassad instead
-There's a theory saying that the unused boss backgrounds for the "GYIGAS"/Claus/Masked Man also referenced as "Lucas's Nightmare" was meant to represent how Lucas saw Claus or the mental states of Claus as the Masked Man as the final boss progressed, instead of flashbacks
-Porky Minch's original fate was to supposedly die in a slow and painful way after he got defeated instead of trapping himself in the Absolutely Safe Capsule
Kumatora being a magypsie is a strange concept, but i can see the reason behind it.
I mean, she appears out of nowhere because she was randomly chosen to be raised by the magypsies. She's also a "princess" apparently but it's never elaborated beyond saying that which leads me to believe they never even had that in the original script. Not even who the rulers of Osohe castle where, maybe inhabitants of the island that died during whatever made the citizens of Tazmily flee from their previous lives? Again, there's no explanation
Do you have any evidence pointing towards Kumatora being a Magypsy, because i've seen it parroted around but never any evidence for it. Given the fact the game has an unused conversation with Locria I have trouble believing it.
The only evidence (i think) is
Pink hair
One of the magspys know her (i think its the one near the chimera lab)
She can naturally use psi
@@cat_ann_
Well, she's a tomboy girl,
has short pink hair,
knows PSI
The way she dresses is kinda like the magipsies too i think.
its crazy how much unused content they left in the cartridge, this thing must have a ton of space compared to the usual GBA cartridge
It's a goldmine! Thanks for commenting, respect your work!
@@MonkeyNess 27:16
When the world needed him most, he returned
Chill it's only been 10 days 💀
@@psiproductions2485 ok
24:33 hey, remember that piece of lore saying that Giygas was so powerful his body and mind was destroyed? And the "HAPPY END" sprite? What if this was a "SAD END" or something, where Claus never comes to his senses and becomes a being similar to Giygas, maybe weaker, and as the scrapped kindness stats involved killing or not certain enemies, maybe in this battle Lucas really had to kill what remained of Claus, leading to a depressed Lucas pulling the last needle and something bad happening.
Good theory
Nah it seems it's just a darker versión of the final fight
And earlier in the game, Claus says he wants to be stronger, much like Giygas who ended up a monstrosity because of his hunger for power.
Mother 3's cut content was always fascinating to me with weird sprites and the story changes and etc. The worst offender is eb64, man I still want to have that version.
Someone was working on a reconstruction, there are some demos out but idk if the project is even in the works anymore
@@rompevuevitos222 Check out his newest upload! 😁
@@VinnytotheK Thanks, i didn't see it in my sub feed
@@rompevuevitos222 Holy crap, really? I hope it doesn't get C and D's, I'm still waiting for Oddity.
The gigaleak didn't have it, that was our best opportunity.
I think the "Happy End" sprite could be used for 2 things.
1. This one is less likely than the other, but I'll say it anyway. I think it could be used when you beat the masked man and Lucas pulls the needle, But if you fail the fight, then there is a "Sad End" of sorts because the masked man gets to pull it.
2. I think the most likely reason is that if you got enough kindness points then you/Lucas would have a good heart and when pulling the final needle, something good would happen, and maybe getting no kindness points would cause there to be a bad ending and only a few would be the normal ending? I don't know, this is all speculation, but I think it's a good theory.
Makes a lot of sense considering:
1: Passing one's heart to the dragon is talked about so much it may as well be the most important plot point, like, it's mentioned at EVERY needle and more
2: The masked man does not pass anything onto the dragon, meaning it is entirely dependent on Lucas
3: Lucas goes trough so much trauma from an early age, that his kind nature may not have been the default originally, so relying on that stat would make quite a lot of sense
19:48 not gonna lie, the quality of that animation in specific its really, really good, specially considering how most animations in game don't have inter pixel animations
23:54 I think originally Duster was supposed to be too afraid of the Dragon and turned against the group to stop them. There is this unused cutscene where Duster was upset that no one seemed to care what would happen to the world when the last needle was pulled.
i've done some testing in my free time with the kindness stat, and its actual effect is that every point increases the potency of healing psi AND healing items used by the character by 1%. there is no healing rng outside of battles, so you can test this easily by using any item that restores 100 HP.
it doesn't affect peculiar cheese though...
also, where did you hear that the debug room lets you add bronson to your party???? to my knowledge, there is no place in the party data reserved for bronson -- claus and hinawa's ids come after after all 6 guest party members, implying they were reimplemented as party members later in development (claus and hinawa's names's are also stored much later in memory with the non-party member names like PK Love and the player name; claus does have his name written in his party data as well, but that name only gets read during battle - all dialogue pulls from the name stored outside of the party data)
the debug room *does* let you alter wess's level for some reason, though his stats don't increase when leveling up
@@napkin8920 They could have removed him later, hard to know when exactly in development he was supposed to be part of it
Order of the data doesn't seem that important, perhaps the space Bronson was taking up was filled with something else, perhaps a different party member
how peculiar...
22:54 Small observation, but the unused navy squeal resembles Boney with the pigmask hood on, with the yellow armor and the furry brown exterior.
Oh yeah
maybe that would be the origin of Boney's helmet... is it?
19:43 - If the magypsies' names are pronounced the same as the musical modes they're based off of, then Phrygia's name would be prounounced "fridge-ia" (fri-jee-uh), as in refrigerator. Great video though!
Thank you! Not a musically-inclined person myself lol
English is wild
11:36
I actually started laughing (in a good way!) because of how obvious of a Beatles references this is. The Ringo drum fill, the bouncy, sixteenth-pickup Paul bass. Considering they weren't really known for their musicianship, it's amazing how distinctive their playing is that such you can immediately hear that this is a loving pastiche of their style. Sounds like something off of the Abbey Road medley, or Magical Mystery Tour. Your *mother* should know :p
The unused version of the love theme sounds like if there was a secret ending where claus lived
17:39
GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD
Get out of my head before I do what I know is best for you.
Get out of my head before I listen to everything she said to me.
(only 👍 if you get it)
AMONG US
12:30 That song and the weird unused claus backgrounds at 24:04 are from unused parts of of the final masked man fight which was supposed to have a nightmare-like segment if I remember this correctly.
20:29 is the beta absolutely safe capsule that functioned more like an escape pod that was initially supposed to malfunction as he's escaping in it and fatally wound him.
Interesting! Sources?
@@MonkeyNess I don't remember where I saw them it was like nearly if not 10 years ago but it was similar kinds of trivia stuff tied to some interviews, at lest for the porky thing. The unused backgrounds and music I think might be mainly speculation based on how similar they are to the final masked man fight combined with some interview stuff about how the fight was initially going to be a lot more nightmarish in tone.
There's actually a few attempted recreations of what it might've looked like on youtube. For example, This one that weirdly showed up in the sidebar just now as I mention them.
ua-cam.com/video/-8_huZmO0aQ/v-deo.html
i swear, consumables lucas uses are also effected by kindness, i remember having pork noodles filling my inventory once, and i had them heal 81 hp with lucas using them, once i got the kindness stat to raise, they healed 82 hp
the reason "Tonda Gosso" isn't allowed in Pokemon is because of the middle of the two words form "dago" which is a slur against Italian Americans.
Wasn't aware of this! Thanks for the info!
I'm italian and I didn't even know slurs against italians existed, lol
as someone who spent an absurd amount of time goofing around with mother 3 debug stuff as a kid, im genuinely surprised there's MORE debug content i didnt know about
6:55 well, there are screenshots of a destroyed Onett for the N64 version, makes sense
Will cover those another time :)
Pretty sure it’s not really Onett but rather a fake recreation within New Pork City, and it’s being destroyed by the awakening of the dragon at the end. It wouldn’t make sense for Onett (featuring buildings from Fourside, no less) to be on the Nowhere Islands, in some pocket of space-time far away from EarthBound.
I used to die to the fireflies to do solo character runs when I was a kid this is so nostalgic
Maybe the real Mother 3 was the cut content we met along the way
Haha so original
17:39 A...a-amogus-
Shoo amongus fanboy
@@imselfaware419amogus
during the drago cutscene where the tank is smashed, the walking animation is accompanied with a robotic sound instead of a normal one. implying it might've been what happened after you spared it but they changed their minds.
17:39 why did I think that that Salsa sprite looks like among us
you're not alone
Ya didn't have to play all those Love Themes for so long. Now I'm crying and can't see the video.
Guess you just have to watch the full 34 minute video again oops
Wooooo! I was hoping this would come out
Awesome upload!
I love that your very detailed n give a very descriptive explanation of mother 3
17:39 _among_
For those who don’t know the original time skip was 10 years and the game was going to have 12 chapters instead of 8. And while not confirmed I think the reason chapter 7 is so long is because they crammed a lot of events from those cut 4 chapters into it. Lucas and Claus were also both 7 pre time skip which would make them 17 post time skip making them the oldest of the MOTHER protagonists
Thanks for this video, this is really well made
Hope you’ll stick around for more :)
Poor guy from black butler, in the end mouse 3 was never released in Italy
Mamma mia!
17:40
AMOGUS!
nearest neighbor scaling.... i beg
17:39 GETTEN OUTEN OFFEN MYEN HEADEN
Oh
So that's what the supposed giygas theme was
I remember friends theorizing about the distorted voice saying "Help... Me... Ryuka/Lucas"
Its crazy how mother 3 is still one of the best jrpgs ever despite its heavy development troubles and large amount of cut content. Theres a part of me that thinks it might’ve been for the best seeing stuff like that text that implies there may have been multiple planned endings at some point. I think the games singular ending is very important to its identity and themes.
I think the reason there's a cut Duster enemy is because you were originally meant to fight the members of the DCMC at the end of chapter 4, but the battle was replaced with the stone sheet clippers sequence
Interesting. Source?
@@MonkeyNess I can't remember, but I heard it somewhere
@Beanie Weenie I think it was on the Earthbound Fandom page, but I can't remember.
Also, I really liked those Earthbound 3 illustrations you posted on reddit awhile back!
@@williammerwin1850 Wow small world! Yeah, it was a lot of fun drawing Ideas for a new Earthbound game, it's something I think about a lot. Probably at some point I'm gonna make some new Reddit posts about my vision for Earthbound 3, since my art has improved a lot, and I've come up with lot's of ideas
@@williammerwin1850 Fandom pages are less reliable than random internet comments. Found lots of misinformation in those before
Great video my guy mother 3 is my favorite game of all time!
If you use the walk through walls cheat in the beginning of the game a glitched cut scene will play showing claus and Lucas flashback when you try going downstairs
GGFan jumpscare at 1:55
Today I learned that a game that was never officially localized or translated outside of Japan not only has multiple versions, but also that the versions have subtle changes like not having Bronson playable. Like, it doesn't even matter, Bronson takes a page out of Mother 2 Pokey's handbook and does nothing in battle ever. This is all so loony I'd think Itoi set up the whole thing.
Finally,i know everything about mother 3...I AM UNSTOPABLE NOW!!
19:40 is this why we see claus and Lucas riding this chimera in some mother 3 artwork
If you're gonna blow up small sprites to fill the whole video, you should make sure it's nearest neighbor scaling instead of becoming a blurry mess
17:42 amogus
My theory on the unmasked Clause animations is that the happy ending would allow to live and all the unused flashback cutscences of him, Lucas and the others, were all related to it and the remix of the love theme was also related to that version of the battle.
To add to this the extra hat off Flint animations are probably related as well I imagine that if you had se kindness points then Flint would have joined the gang earlier and been the party during the final battle and the presence of him and Lucas would have most likely been what caused Claus to start remembering more and I now think that the "mom" forest fire cutscences weren't for the intro but were also part of Claus's flashbacks and he would remember the last thing she said to him which would cause him to take off his mask and stop fighting ending the fight then Flint would start talking to him in cutscence form until porky tries to shoot Claus and Flint instinctively would jump in the way protecting him hence the lying on the ground sprite his last word would have probably just been "I'm so happy I finally found you Claus." Which Claus and Lucas would just start to cry and then the ghost mom would appear and start getting mad at Flint using her power to bring him back while yelling at him until disappearing when he says he's sorry and she's right.
Then the porky boss would probably have the five party team of Lucas, Claus, Bones, Kumatora, and Duster. I also think the sunset area with Claus and Lucas is actually part of the happy ending like you go outside and find Claus sitting on the cliff and them he gets up and follows you back inside where the family finally sits down for dinner and the credits have the unused screen shots added in until ending with the "Happy Ending" text.
I have a feeling that the unused "giygas" background would have beem from that hallucination section. I mean...look at it!
13:28 ah yes. The piss pub place.
"Maybe lets go to the crossroads, maybe something interesting will happen"
Eu poderia morrer feliz sabendo que alguém conseguiu achar alguma gameplay do earthbound 64
It's pronounced "Oh-so-hey" Castle. Proof? The sign near the hot spring in the castle.
I'm not sure that's really conclusive. The direct translation's pronunciation comes out to "Oh-so-hay-ho." I'd need to research it more.
@@MonkeyNess But if it's pronounced "Oh-so", the Japanese pun for the Oh-So-Snake doesn't work nearly as well.
Very well could be correct, I'm just unsure myself.
AWESOME!!!
Thanks as always for the Mother 3 content. The sheer amount of stuff in this game is mind-boggling, I'm always learning something new
Glad you enjoyed it! Hope you learned something new!
I know the person who made the HQ sound mix hack, it sounds so good and even works on console
21:03 Did... did these guys inspire the Otamatone? It looks very similar, just without the tail. 😳
There's also an iceberg about the unused content of mother 3
So, how's that Mother 2 BONUS video coming along?
Great! 😛
ua-cam.com/video/JMz1tuPMxxE/v-deo.html
@@MonkeyNess you were supposed to make me wait ~10 years not negative 1 year /s
27:26 those designs actully fit the geography of the map it seems to be based on northern az utah or new mexico so i guess porky is an characterized version of european since those characters almost look like a anime afiied native lol
Just realized that in the animations of porky floating around and dying he's naked... A
I am so sad that the mother series in so unknown outside of Japan
Interesting video.
I hope one day if there’s a new giga leak that someone gets the prototype of mother 3 on the n64
still waiting on that Mother 64 Bonus Video 5:20
The clayman background is actually weird and creepy
Aiyo whose this dude!? >:D
can you make an in detailed video about the mother 3 i and plus soundtracks that would be awesome!
Definitely not against it! Just need to research if there's something for me to say about it! :)
17:41 AMONG US?!
Nice to know that I have a full collection of American Mother 3 merch! 😂
17:35 rock in space
You say that about Giygas ot whatever his name is ,but isn't an unused remix of his theme in Mother 3
If we ever get an update on oddity are you gonna cover it?
Depends if I have anything to say about it, not against it though!
@@MonkeyNess it’s coming out in winter 2014
@@atwistedb At least we got that Mother 1 remake
I have seen videos about all of these stuff. I will never get tires of mother stuff
Lore of Mother 3 - Unused Content momentum 100
9:44 Couldn’t you have multiple rotten eclairs by the time you get to the Oshoe kitchen area tho?
Misspoke. You need the item in question to trade for it. Will make a note of this.
nice im just in time
The thumbnail be like: brah tryinna fit in 💀
thank you for your attention to the comments, it's very helpful and enaging. love your channel, you earned a subscriber!!!!!!
🫡 Ty!
17:40 among us
2:22 It’s a he. Apparently theres an unused sprite indicate there were at one point separate sprites for female pigmasks, but none are in the final game except kumatora.
21:00
this sprite looks just like a sprite for a slime in one of the dragonquest games except with distorted coloring
Where can I find these supposed phone wallpapers from Itois blog
Here! Under the sub-heading "Mother 3 Wallpapers"
tcrf.net/Prerelease:Mother_3/2006#March_21st
17:39 amogus
Lucas would ABSOLUTELY wear Yeezys
17:39 Among Us
12:30 The soundtrack I downloaded (can’t remember if official site or khinsider) calls this song Gyiyg’s/Giygas’s theme, implying he was meant to return in some form. Maybe his incorporeal corpse is the dark dragon and he needs a heart passed on to him to make him choose whether to remember Maria and protect humanity, possibly saving his body too or follow his people’s old orders and damn them then remain as almighty idiotic darkness? It would explain why the Lithosphere Cave where Fassad’s needle is looks like a black electric version of the cave of the past with scary music to match. (cave of the future?)
The slowed down DCMC numbers chant can be easily mistaken for someone groaning “help…luc..as…” which could be taken to mean Gyiyg is coming back to life via the needle removals and is somehow aware enough on some level to beg Lucas to be the one to pull the last one.
the song at 11:40 just screams GBA
My guy, you can scale up pixel art without blurring the hell out of them. Just choose "nearest neighbor".
Have affectionately learned that from the many other comments informing me :P thanks for watching!
@@MonkeyNess Oh shit, it's a 1 year old video, my bad 🙏🙏
@@MonkeyNessThe fact that you responded to a new comment on a 1 year old video is wild.
Mad respect.
@@grandmasta0079I try to respond to as many comments as I can. :)
Unrelated but what if someone remade Mother 3 as a hack rom using Earthbound's engine and called it Earthbound 2?
There have been several attempts at recreating Mother 3 in the EarthBound engine, but none have gotten much further than just a few sprites.
Wonder how hard it would be
Altho i don't really see the point, Mother 3 has the superior engine outside of being made for a smaller screen
8:49 Next time you resize sprites for for your videos; for gods sake use nearest neighbour upscaling, it doesn't leave the sprite as a blurry mess.
Not familiar with the process, but will look into it!
@@MonkeyNess To blow up sprites without blur, I just Ctrl + in Photoshop until it fills the screen, take a screenshot, then paste that in a new file and select out the bigger sprite
Same here, it's a more complicated process with animations though. Could always reassemble them in video editing I suppose, but there's probably an easier way.
@@MonkeyNess If there is an easier way I don't know how to do it 😅 I just take the slow route of one frame at a time
Do you get your sprites from The Spriters Resource?
What's the name of the music used in this video?
Spider tank dates all the way to the 64 game?
Source please?
I know this was 8 months ago but how do you enter the code to change the firefly to the NKC? I entered on MGBA and it said the code couldn't be entered.
Might need to add “+” between each line.
Thanks! It worked!@@MonkeyNess
When is he gonna review the earthbound hunter hunter crossover
The what?
I have a copy of mother 3 translated ver on the gameboy, is it possible to get to the debug room there??
Only with some sort of cheating device, like a GameShark or Action Replay.
Must Investigate whose toe made this game. I'm goin deeper.
Wait Monkeyness post videos?!
Don't tell anybody
They could just reduce the animal abuse and reimagine the drag queens to be burly fairies. Some fans may only settle for the original vision but that's not going to happen for this localization, just play the ROM hack. I'd actually prefer these changes.
Can't do either of those things without changing much of the story...I disagree. Out of curiosity though, why would you prefer these changes?
save hinawa
Nice video, i never knew about the others debug rooms or about the unused enemies in the earthbound 64, but why did you let some sprites and animations looking like a jpeg compressed 3 times being shown in a potato computer? Does making it bigger to not look like that so hard to do?
There are no sources available unless I was to screenshot each individual frame and recreate the animation in editing, of which I did not have access to each individual frame. I’ll try to figure something better out for the future though.
@@MonkeyNess If you have the frames (even in gif format) try using a software like aseprite just to make the sprite itself 4 or 5 times bigger and save it, this should make the animation better when you use in the video, at least i tested it and it worked before. (Also i was not trash talking before, i'm just rude for no reason most of the time, sorry.)
@@EdwardFeinho I think it's just a matter of using an image viewer without a forced filter
Most do, which is what makes small images look like poopoo