Are You Returning Your Pico 4?... A Word Of Warning For Buyers!
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- Опубліковано 7 лис 2022
- All is not well with the Pico 4 it seems, here I explore the list of common problems and why people are returning them, also why buyers should choose their retailer carefully!
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I have to say, having recently discovered your channel, its so refreshing to hear your views. You seem to know what you are talking about. Great stuff.
None of these problem here and even bough a returned Pico 4. I do have light bleed from the side and the fit isn't the best in the world but other then that everything can only get better with updates, I love it.
Like you, I use it mostly for PCVR, primarily for flightsims, DCS World, IL-2 and MSFS. HL Alyx and other shooters, now and then too.
The meager Pico store contents means little to me, as I prefer buying my games on Steam anyway. That way they can likely be played on whatever VR set I may get in the future.
I had some tracking issue one evening, but after turning up the lights, the jitter went completely away. Otherwise I've had no problems at all, and the picture quality and sweetspot is simply outstanding, compared to my old Index set.
As far as I'm concerned, it's a keeper :)
How's the performance with MSFS2020? Considering a Pico 4 investment for MSFS2020 PCVR, using my 2060 Acer Predator Helios. Are you tethering or running Virtual Desktop?
Reading those Amazon reviews though, many people clearly are only using the native streaming app and not Virtual Desktop so I take the negative reviews with a massive pinch of salt as clearly a lot of them are people who have no idea how to go about making the resolution better
Probably so.
I also sometimes read reviews that seem suspicious as if they are trying to falsely lower the extremely influential Amazon review score.
And how do you make resolution better? Ggodin (developer of virtual desktop) says any resolution above 1440p looks worse with unticking "use optimal resolution" unchecked. The hdmi handshake wont use an active signal resolution above your monitor potentially locking you to 1080p. People can make a custom output resolution and use VD to see the desktop when your monitor black screens. It's a mess.
@@BoltRM I'd rather trust Amazon reviews than UA-camrs with affiliate links in their reviews. Some UA-camrs with affiliate links are too positive, especially the ones that don't have other sources of income.
Sorry, i've got the pico 4 since a week now, i'm a vr enthusiast, i had the oculus dk1, dk2, the oculus cv1, the rift s and the Quest 2..i think I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, and my pico 4 is just F mess...and apart from 80% of the units having a dead pixel, APART from the fact that even having a resolution higher than the quest2 the screendoor effect is worse, apart all those things..NO WAY the morphing problem of the tracking is a "unit" thing. NOWAY.
I returned mine after 2 days. The tracking of the headset and the controllers are awfull. PCVR is shit with it no matter if you use virtual desktop or not.
wow finally somebody goes over the issues - I had the nausea issue - after a factory reset it went away I have no idea why - I come from a Quest 1. As for "blurriness" in the standalone apps I spoke with the Puzzeling Places Devs and they said they have trouble getting a new version through the review process the version on the Pico store is basically the Pico 3 version still. It seems the Western App review is super understaffed.
Thanks for the heads-up vid Karl. I was looking to get one of these as my first VR headset but after all the problems mentioned, will hold off now for a while.
Great vid (as always), keep up the good work. 👍
If i were in the market for a new headset i would set great store by Karl's opinion of it. He is quite thorough with his analysis and will routinely pick up tiny things nobody else seems to touch on.
Thanks mate!
On my Pico4 when I set the volume to the lowest level you could hear white noise from the speaker if you muted it the noise was gone so it was not the fan noise. I returned it to System Active in the UK for them to exchange it for a new one, unfortunately, or as it turns out fortunately they were out of stock so they gave me a refund, I have now ordered one from Very and I got 20% off the 256GB version, I saved £90.00. I should get it next week.😁
I received my Pico 4 today, and spending a half day configuring stuff... I'm pretty happy with it.. (I'm upgrading from a Rift S) If people use Streaming assistant, I get people are disappointed with the experience.
The lenses do warp the image a little if your IPD isn't spot on...
And the light leakage issue solved itself in about 2h for me.. put it on a bit to tight so the foam forms to my face.. fixed..
Do you play wirelessly with VD?
@@Pla_nic yes
Just ordered and rec'd mine 2 weeks ago (I'm in the US, ordered the Global via Newegg). There was a system update for download from just a few weeks back which may have also addressed some things, but in my experience in regards some of the issues: Played Walkabout Mini Golf with no issues at all. Granted I haven't played it on Quest 2, but it certainly seemed to be plenty clear and sharp for my experience, and seems to be on par with what I've seen other youtube vids of Quest 2 playback of WMG? But again, maybe the updates have addressed things. No issues with wobble or motion moving around with it at all. No real bad screen door unless you really go looking, as you mention. No issues with lenses, be it foggy or soft spots, out of focus areas, nor scratches, or pixel issues. Also no build quality issues with my unit, I might have gotten lucky. Battery life is SOOOO variable based on what people are doing in regards to brightness, refresh, and so many settings that can affect it. Higher resolution, it's unlocked for more power, that sort of thing is gonna make differences and people that aren't used to that might be more prone to cranking everything up and complaining that they aren't getting everything. *** Not to say that any of those issues are all bogus or that there aren't any issues that some would experience but others won't though.
For me, I've had a great experience so far, and especially after swapping to a better wifi router to up the bandwidth for wireless SteamVR via Virtual Desktop it's been even better than when I originally turned it on. The game library is still slowly expanding, though I do hope that some of the games get more DLC content sooner than later. Hopefully as the unit stays out, devs will put more focus into it to get up to speed when for a long time devs had so much focus for Quest variants.
Always enjoy your style and no BS approach to reviews, cheers!
Mrtv is good for bs ing, bullshit artist to the max, stopped watching Sebastion with his reviews on vr products, overhyped bs er at best
I returned mine. I mainly bought it for pcvr, I have a decent rig - 4090/7950x however I just didn’t feel VR was quite there yet. I tried half life and some other games and just wants blown away with it. I do wear glasses and to get a good fov I had it so tight to my face which in turn caused some discomfort. Again I realise this is a me issue and I was possibly expecting too much from it, however I did suffer from what edge to edge clarity which someone said about, I found the sweet spot to be extremely small.
Please tell me you have into the radius, can you do a video showing performance and latency over virtual desktop
I'm only using it with Virtual Desktop for PCVR and have been having a superb experirience so far! Upgraded from the Franquenquest 1 and really satisfied so far. But holy the gpu requirements for some Games are insane
I'm blown away with my Pico 4 and I'm mostly playing PCVR ... As for the game libbery considering it's a new head set (Personally) I think there doing ok, and I would predict the game libbery will be hugely increased by this time next year.
I'm thinking of getting a pico 4 for pcvr only. I currently have an oculus rift s, how would you rate the quality of wireless pcvr? I'm running rtx3080.
@@originalface320 My laptop runs the 3060 and pico 4 is running wirelessly. Also I play in a different room to my router, So all that coincided The pico4 is working perfectly and I couldn't be happier. Played Poker stars VR / Google earth and other games without any issues. Running PCVR games with virtual desktop. Hope this helps
@@GeorgeCooper_LoneWolf Thanks mate, really helped. I know the pico 4 is much higher resolution than my Rift s, but I was worried that wifi pcvr on pico 4 vs displayport on rift s would hold the graphical quality back. I tried a friends quest 2 on my pc (wireless and wired) and half life alyx looked much better on my rift s to be honest. The compression on the quest 2 was awful.
I've got a dedicated wifi 6 router right next to my playspace, so connection is never an issue thankfully.
I don't care about standalone games at all, just want to be free of that cable (even though I've got ceiling cables for my rift s 😂😂)
@@originalface320 I have seen a review of the pico 4 and the guy was playing half life wireless and he said it looked great. So I'm sure you won't be disappointed if you pico one up ! and the pass through is awesome and it has some weird stuff built in to mess with for free. for instance I had a toilet trying to eat me in the middle of my living room, make of that what you will lol
@@GeorgeCooper_LoneWolf 🤣 quite literally 'when VR sh*t gets real' 😳 It's a no brainer now, my credit card thanks you 🥳
It crashes in 4k immersive videos. It only works in 4k if not immersive well.I also have Quest 2,and there are no problems there.
I would say it is still not at the levelo of Quest 2!
I can definitely see the screen door effect though, feel like it is more prominent now after a month but it might just be me being more aware of what to look at. It is not that bad and I think it is hard not to see pixels on a screen being that close to it. Put your face 5cm from your 4k monitor, you will definitely see the pixels. What is annoying though is the difference in the contrast of the screens, the left seems to be more gray and gives a super annoying effect in some darker settings. I've heard other describe this too.
A few people have said each display is slightly different in brightness, contrast, colours and blacks :(
That's a sad thing to hear about the Pico 4 I was thing of picking one up once it comes to the west coast 😢 but I think I'll just wait for the quest 4 to be safe... thank you Karl, have a good week.
This could just be teething problems, only time will tell.
@@KarlGosling true
No way. I bought it for PCVR wifi via VD and they are perfect for this: D
I was one of the P4 testers. Got to try the early version and my final version as well as the version of a friend and had lots of chats about the devices with other people.
Tbh I think the biggest "issue" is people and subjectivity, I am one the guys that would say "It has noticeable SDE". I can see more SDE in all the devices I have tried than on my Q2 - which does not mean that the image is worse, it is only that the SDE (indivdual pixels) feel way more focused than in Q2 (which might be using an almost invisible diffusion layer).
Also the "black dots between pixels" I could see it on all 3 devices I have tried. That leads me to the conclusion it is the panels and how they are beeing made. They probably all have it. But some see it some dont, some might see it but dont get bothered by it.
I could also see a very uniform "Mura" on all 3 devices.
For the edge to edge clarity I think some people just dont get close enough to the lenses with the hard foam and deep gasket.
So my conclusion is it is mainly subjectivity and not QC.
Remember when MRTV actually got send multiple G2s by viewers so he could check if the edge to edge clarity or sweetspot is a problem with the lenses? Turned out they were all fine for him. But the people surely didnt send him their devies because they thought they were fine. It all comes down to subjective impression.
Its impossible that SDE is a QC problem
Only dead pixels or uniformity or color accuracy
Or very good near sighted eyesight, versus not so good, mrtv has glasses and may be an indication as to why he couldn't tell there is an ultra small sharp sweetspot. What is strange is all of the big reviewers, such as Tyriel, flightsimguy also said the G2 had a great sweet spot in their pre-release reviews. But now most people agree it has a terrible sweet spot, edge to edge clarity and lenses
I remember the MRTV video you're talking about... and I also remember the amount of sh*t Sebastian took... somewhat unfairly, I thought... for raving about the G2 when so many others complained about the issues it had.
Your assumption and focus on subjective impressions ignores the actual optical and geometric variances of peoples faces.
For if your head is shaped diffrently, then the angle of the hmd like pitch, roll and yaw would be off relative to the lens and display. With that the the forehead cushion sits diffrently, back cushion sits at diffrent height, eyes are assymetric positioned in either of/or all 3 axis - where the most crucial is the eye to lens distance. Because if that is off, your sweet spot gets smaller, your fov varies, edges become more or less clear and here also the distortions vary as the distortion is calibrated to that distance.
Not everyone is able to calculate for all that and trying set it into the ideal position could be even difficult thanks to biologic or mechanical limitations.
For a proper evaluation only people who understand and try to mitigate those issues can have a proper understanding of how good that HMD actually is or is not. Those variances will be fixed one by one in the future but till then people need to know how things work and workout themselfs.
Without that you get a extreme amount of noise where things sound subjective, but it's just them or their HMD don't beeing the ideal combination.
@@DasJev of course. All the things you mentioned are what I count into "subjective".
I returned mine because of two issues; horrendous mura on my right display, and the battery life maxed out at 1hr40 in Virtual Desktop @ 90hz.
I had to return my quest 2 about a month ago, first they said they lost it then they blamed the backlog on covid. So for most titles on the Quest store I have a Rift version except applab games. I purchased a pico after a couple of weeks to play these, the only native title is virtual desktop.. I have none of the issues you mention. As soon as I setup my pico it said there was a firmware update, its now at 5.1.0. Perhaps this addressed most software issues. I have seen a video about extending the battery life. They suggested making sure Bluetooth is off if you dont use it and try reducing the brightness to half then nudging it up until you find a setting you like.
Good advice. Thank you.
Hi Karl..... I got distracted from your content with the Jamo speaker in the back ground.... Then I noticed a circa 90' stack...... I had a very similar setup back in the day...... I miss it soooo much.... Qudos to you for keeping it all this time !!!!
Mate the late 80's and 90's were great times, got to love some nostalgia! :D
@@KarlGosling - still remember the model numbers of the kit I bought..... All saved up and purchased from Tottenham Crt Rd.... I went down the Kenwood route and for speakers I had bise and Crewin Vega..... My bro had the Jamos though..... They were great....... U should do a video of your stack.... And 90's audio equipment!!!
I am in love with my Pico4. No way I am returning my device. It looks so much better than my old Quest 2..
Mine does too!
What do you play? Do you not have motion sickness? I'm thinking to return the pico 4
@@Dylle_m Have you ever played VR before, or are you new to this?
@@pilz4566 Totally new to VR
@@Dylle_m Motion sickness is something mostly new people experience. Keep playing in VR and it will get less and less with training. Your brain needs to adjust to it. Has nothing to do with the headset. :)
I get the terrible lens glare, anything bright on screen gives awful bloom/glare, the annoying thing is I much prefer the pico over my quest 2 for comfort but I can't live with the bloom
Same here. What did you do finally ?
@@stephanepomatto7240I returned it and bought a quest pro
Thanks for doing this Karl, a great way to get genuine feedback and get a feel for how widespread any problems are. Like many others, I've had several (too many !) headsets, right back to a DK2, and I now currently use an 8kx, a G2, and a Quest 1. I'd been mulling over getting a Pico4, mainly due to the pancake lenses and lightweight balanced comfort. I'd read about quite a few negatives, but finally thought the same as you, quite safe to buy from Amazon, and here in the UK they were available now (Nov 30th) with next day delivery. It has just arrived (woohoo !), so I'll get it going and report back on this thread how mine has turned out..
watch this space.............................
So far so good....
Now unboxed and no scratches or marks, everything pristine and unused.
Peeled off the labels, put in the nose shield and pulled out the battery tabs to enable the controllers.
Switched it on and filled in the user details and network wifi.
Amazing clarity and large hotspot - very comfortable, so light and well balanced.
Set IPD to 70mm where the centre circles were clearest (I have a big head !)
A new download popped up 5.2.2 - now updating
First (slight) negative, the face shield is rather stiff at the bottom, though because of the balance I was able to have it not quite touching my cheeks.
headset update now completed
after restarting new controller update offered and accepted
Watched the 8k VR demo video - excellent
No problems connecting to my local network and playing a video file from my desktop PC
....more observations to come, I'll try running my flight simulator via Virtual desktop....................
@@PaulDouglas-dh5hu Hi
So I am looking to buy this on Amazon today for same logic as you I guess, if I don't like it I can return it.
Just want to use for sim racing on steam probably nothing else so what is it like just cabled to a PC is it easy enough?
Do you still have yours?
Yes, it's definitely a keeper for me, very pleased with it still.
I've tried it tethered to my PC with a cable, but so far Virtual Desktop via Wifi has been better, strangely.
My G2 is slightly simpler to use with PC sims, as it's just a case of plug in and go, because of its WMR system.
....but the Pico still has better graphics, because of the pancake lenses.
@@PaulDouglas-dh5hu thanks for responding, yes WMR was easy enough for me on my old lenovo thats why i wanted a HP G2, is pico4 easy enough, what do you use to run it when on the cable?
At the moment, the only way to stream via a cable is via Pico's own streaming software rather than Virtual Desktop. Both methods (wifi and cable) aren't via a direct graphics port, so they both compress/decompress the video signal over the USB3 connection. Despite that, the video quality is still better than the G2 (IMHO) because of the pancake lenses.
Love my pico 4. Period. For PC it is fantastic. Great resolution, light weight, simple, good tracking, and sweet spot is big - much bigger than quest 2.
How do you play? Link or wireless? VD or Sream app?
Great video. I’m a Pico 4 owner who has been VRing for about 4yrs now. Like you I use my headset for PCVR only so can’t comment on the standalone titles. However I have noticed a few of those issues listed in your video.
There is definitely some screen glare. Only noticeable when you have whit on black background (like the Pico logo on boot). It’s not light bleed. It’s as if the light from the screen is bouncing off the lenses if that makes sense
The next is slight nausea. This doesn’t happen often & could be my wireless network for PCVR
Creaking controllers
Lastly the sound. It has a slight hiss. Could almost mistake it for fan noise - It’s definitely not
I must say that even with the above, it’s still my go to headset atm. The pros outweigh the cons. I may well move back to the Quest when they release the 3 but for now it’s still the winner for me
People need to understand that you do not need to overtighten the pico 4 strap. It’s not front heavy unlike what you are used to. If you’re feeling the front pad or the back pad being hard, it means it’s on too tight and yes it’s uncomfortable. Also, the back pad should be higher than the front at an angle when mounted. If you have light leakage on the sides, Jerry rig a paper tape on the sides for now until there’s vr cover.
This is very much head shape dependant, if I have the back pad high as you describe the unit will slip up off my head.
A think I've found that has helped me, was also getting my own velcro strap and attaching it sideways over the headset, essentially creating more support that goes width ways across the head instead of just length ways. Feels better to me, anyway.
For PCVR in the uk market what in your opinion is the best headset when you weigh up visual quality, fov, price and user experience?
My experience as an early adopter. Started in 2016 with the vive and in 2020 the oculus q1 ;)
Damn I was hyped about the P4! Pc support! Wow
First the don't likes
- Paying an extra 20 for VD to make it work for pc as I like my res.
- Software updates are lacking. Still on vers. 5.1. Up to date yet seeing others using vers. 5.2. Rollout is common and hope 5.3 is a mayor difference
- Steam vr games support even with VD aren't working wright (Star Wars Squadrons, Kayak Vr to name a few)
- The pancake lenses do create the looking through a veil effect when viewing movies in most theatres in VD. Dark games should only be played on oled panels!
- Wired is a no go, for now. It's low res. and stutters via cable (software issues?)
- An all in one cable that has integrated an audio input plug, streaming and charging capabilities doesn't exist
- Dry eyes when nose flap is used
- Battery life time is not what is advertised it to be
- You need an uber pc to drive them subpixelspixels is a given
- When lowering settings ingame sometimes doesn't make a difference in fps in certain games
- Not a fan of wifi because I don't want to be an antenna in that way
- Being an early adopter takes a lot of patience
The likes
- The hmd and controller looks and feel (I fell for it)
- Price
- Comfort! It's well balanced
- Pancake lenses are very clear. While every lens has its drawbacks and pos., I''ll take it
- Higher resolution when using ss in steam for subpixel rendering
- Only when having an uber pc and some pc vr games do work wireless, it's really stunning!! Wow effect
- I'll give the P4 another week or 3, otherwise I'm selling my hmd
- Can't wait for the P5. When most software issues and necessary hardware implementations are fixed and understood by then. ''personal''
- Surprise moi and you can do it pico!
The PCVR will never get better due to the Pico 4 using USB. Their biggest mistake was removing the DisplayPort that the Neo 3 had.
@@nb8c_fd Paying for Virtual Desktop is about supporting a talented indie dev who without, PCVR would not be as well supported as it is. Take me $20
@@MetaverseAdventures vd does not solve the lack of displayport. wireless vr sucks.
I'm keeping my Pico 4, only problem I get is in virtual desktop not loading the steam game I've selected at times but I think I it's more down to me and my pc settings.
Great review and feedback, thank you. Mine's great so far (a few days only), much better than the Meta Quest 2 that I returned. Better strap and adjustment method, balance on head good, mainly clear lenses (which is why the Meta was returned with very blurry lenses which seems to be a common problem), and nice build quality. It's cheaper too for the 256GB version,
In Australian and just ordered one so fingers crossed but I will only be using it as PCVR not standalone
Hope you get a good one mate.
Interesting points, Have just got a pico4 as i wasn't happy with the HP G2. Have you got a video or link to show the best way to connect/set up for PCVR in FS2020 please? It seems there are 50 ways of doing it and very confusing :)
I agree, a lot of the software is half-baked, but the oven will go "ping", soon enough. If Virtual Desktop wasn't flawless, I might have issues with the unit
VD saves this for PCVR and standalone seems to be very mixed results.
@@KarlGosling Yeah, software often gets overlooked.
I'm waiting for mine, they arrive on Friday, hopefully they arrive well and without any problem and I can enjoy them
I hope so too!
Can confirm the shaky quality control. Had four 256GB models now and all went back for a different issue.
1. Had a darker right display:
Looked like I had bad night vision on one eye. In dark environments the details were gone and I only saw black.
Very irritating.
2. Was fine ... until the second week. Then the fan inside went berserk on me and made a sound like a F1 car hitting the speed limiter.
3. Had a misaligned right lens. Moving the Headset up or looking down gave me the feeling that my eyesight on one side had gone bad. And only the bottom halve of the lens ! (fits with the sweet spot reports)
4. Lens warping in the middle of the view field. Moving the head left and right had the picture in front of me warp significantly.
Did not have this on the first two. did not check on the third.
And there seems to be a difference in tracking between headsets. The first one had a very nervous tracking.
Even talking did let it become very unstable. Tapping on the back did drive into a tracking frenzy.
Second one did not have that problem.
Third one again the same.
And forth one was ok again.
So maybe two manufactures of the g-sensor chips that are supporting the camera (or even a defect camera?)?
Had a friend returning it for one squeeky controller.
2 had the dark display problem too.
lens warping seems to be a issue on 50-60% of the headsets, but no one seems to notice since it´s their first one.
I got a Valve Index an a quest2 and did notice this right from the start on my 4th one.
first two were fine an also the headsets of my friends ( all preordered units)
Great video Karl. I have been trying to get my PICO 4 to work the way I wanted to. I could not get a clear image no matter what I would try. I was especially disappointed about the edge-to-edge clarity. I would get dizzy after a very short time of using it. It's my first experience using a VR-headset, so it's difficult to to tell wether it's a faulty unit or part of the VR-experience. In the end I decided to return it. Maybe try out another one/brand in the near future.
FYI: It was an 11.2022-model. Read some stories about bad batches during late 2022. Mine could be one of them.
The store is key. That's why I have little hope for Pimax Crystal as a "standalone". It's a lot of work and support to get a store built. If I am a dev, I develop for the store where I am going to sell more license.
It might be wise for Pico to open their store for other headsets similar to the Play Store for all Android phones.
No one on this planet is going to buy the Pimax Crystal for standalone. Not a single person.
I also predict that at least half the people who buy it for PCVR are disappointed.
The Pimax Crystal is primarily a PCVR Headset, this really should be obvious!
I upgraded to Pico 4 from old Rift S - bought from Amazon UK on 19 Dec 2022 - to be honest if I had seen this video before buying it might have put me off completely. I use for PC VR only to a high-end VR rig to racing and flight sims, and also some VR Chat type social stuff. I have none of the problems mentioned with pixels or bad lenses. I did notice though that the way the lenses work, they are able top reflect and produce "phantom" reflections in front of you from things that are bright and right behind you. I had my headset on and saw a bright circular reflection and didn't know where it was coming from - turned out it was reflection of the landing light bulb outside the darkened bedroom I was in! It was leaking in the tiny crack on side of my eye! The only thing I noticed which is not great is the battery life... it does seem to drain very fast, even when plugged into a USB C charger cable during use. Not sure if my battery is just weaker or something. Anyway ... I think you should DEFINITELY do a "three months later" update on your current state now, any improvements you noticed to software, anything got worse etc... would like to see that.
Mine's going back. Bear in mind it's my first VR set and deciding whether or not I could get on with it was the reason I bought from Amazon in the first place.
Primarily, I had a severe motion sickness issue when I got shot down in DCS - it lasted an hour or so.
The streamed quality isn't wonderful (3080, VD, etc.) compared to my 2560 x 1440 monitor. If it's "better than the Quest", I can only imagine how bad that would be...
I also have the short battery life problem - I thought that was just the PCVR streaming over Wifi.
As I said, this was an experiment for me, and my conclusion is that VR isn't for me...
I remember in 2020 when the Quest 2 was released, a lot of people argued about defective products with super blurryness of the lenses, but now there's no one talking about it anymore, so I presume that the production quality has been increased over time and maybe the same will happen with Pico 4...
I'm hoping so too mate!
This Pico 4 is my first headset and straight out of the box I was initially worried but from their newest update (February 2023) and your video about resolution adjustment my PCVR experience is much better. I luckily haven't experienced any faults (ordering from Australia) as listed in this video and in the comments here! I wish I knew someone with a Quest 2 to really compare apples to apples but so far I'm happy.
Quest 2is old generation pico4 is comparable to quest pro as lenses are different
What about Netflix and can you play 3d videos that you have downloaded to the pico? I have heaps of 3d vr movie in sbs, 180 and 360 formats in high and medium resolution. Have you experimented with deo player and the built in players ?
@@drsandeep47 Thanks for saying that! Pico 4 is more like the quest pro than quest 2 itself due to timing release. Quest 3 is coming next month so it's gonna be the best standalone Vr headset again.
I LOVE my pico for what it is and what I use it for and have not had any problems, it have replaced my reverb g2 for msfs now! I also have the quest 2 and quest pro for use with standalone games...and for pc-vr like msfs the pico is far the best over all headset and even wireless via virtual desktop...i do not use pico's streaming apps!
I returned mine and kept my quest 2. This is for standalone pcvr. Worse edge clarity than quest 2, terrible light leakage, rock hard facial interface, slight jitter in small head tracking movements, so the first issue you said I got (maybe that was my comment!, lol). No SDE, thats weird though. Bad battery life, and fan running all the time.
I've had VR Headsets Since the Vive. The Pico 4 I have definitely has something wonky about the head tracking, leading to motion sickness. No other VR headset I've owned or tried has had this issue. Makes we wonder if some of these have tracking issues and many don't. I also have waves in one of the lenses but the other lens is fine. Also in a really dark scene, one of the panels is darker than the other, feeling like something is covering one of my eyes.
This all sounds like poor QC and typical Chinese build quality doesn't it.
I had exactly the same issues!
Not sure about the one panel being darker... but all the other things.
There seems to be a software bug with pico4 not locking framerate to the hz of the headset. It jumps around 90 from 87 to 92. Basically virtual sync isn't implemented each frame. This is probably what's making experienced users experience nausea.
You know that makes a lot of sense as I see a constantly wobbly FPS when using it for PCVR.
I got one. Upgraded from Quest 1. I'm using it for PCVR. I'm very happy with it for streamed PCVR via Virtual Desktop. No issues with tracking, certainly no screen door effect. There is some light leak, and glare on the lenses but this is acceptable to me, because the improvement over the lower res and onion ring lenses of the Q1 is still remarkable.
I think the standalone VR side is somewhat wanting. There's very little on the store that I haven't already bought and played on the Quest. And the firmware is lagging a long way behind Meta regards QoL and features.
I'll probably get a Quest 3, if it impresses me.
Pretty much my experience too mate.
Use wired set up? Havent seen a wireless monitor have ya?😅
my pico 4 don´t screencast to any device! i am on the same 5g wifi and nothing . i try "cast for pico" app and "Vr assistant" and no go. can someone help me! is this a bug on the OS ?
I love my Pico 4, the PCVR graphics are mind blowing.
Yeah when working well everything looks great!
This video has been really helpful, thanks man. Looks like I’ll get a replacement as my issues range from lens flare like issues when looking at bright objects, blurriness, wave distortion when I turn my head and some strange controller calibration. Hoping these are all just QC issues and I have one of the bad ones as I find the headset comfortable, even with the stock facial interface. Till then I’ll stick to my Quest 1 which remains my favourite headset even over the Quest 2
Fingers crossed you get a good one mate.
@@KarlGosling Just an update, got a second one and it IS better than my first, but there still something happening with the lenses that's causing my eyes to strain. Such a shame, I'll return this one too and just wait for the Quest 3, or if PSVR2 becomes compatible wtih PC.
I bought mine after watching one of your videos as I had problems with the quest 2 and has to go for RMA. My battery on Pico 4 with PC vr streaming on 90 Hz last between 1.5-2 hours. But everything else feels better than the quest 2.
Glad you've got a good one too mate :)
I bought two ( one for my partner) and I really enjoy the time with the pico. Mostly using it for PCVR as everything looks so damn good. I bought a few games from the store and immediately noticed that they looked blocky and washed out compared to my quest2. So I started thinking, either Developers port it over the easiest possible way as the pico is new and there is not a big market for it yet, so why risking putting a lot of work in a proper port if you dont know that it pays out in the end.
With Red matter2 coming out, that is not yet on the quest 2 and developers already noted that it will look much better as the pico4 has a lot more power that can be used for a better high quality experience.
Pico4 is the first competitor to the quest2 and probably many buyers thought they get a product thats right out of the box much better then quest2 which is on the market for several years now. Of course its not, there is a lot of work to be done on the software side so all of the people returning them I guess are very inpatient ( except its a proper hardware defect) . Quest2 was not that great in the beginning also, but over time it got better, its going to be the same with the pico4. I think it is super important that meta has a competitor now, I mean just look at all the announcements from meta since the pico4 is on the market, its crazy, so much new stuff, innovations and updates.
On reddit we solved so many cases of new VR user buying a pico4 as for example "edge to edge clarity" was taken word by word, but thats not how it works, even the pancake lenses do look blurry on the edges, but its so much better then with older headsets using Fresnel lenses but as its their first headset and have nothing to compare it to they think its broken, there were people on reddit receiving their 3rd pico4 and got all mad because of that not perfect " edge to edge" clarity. and many many other cases where it wasnt the picos fault.
I am not a fan boy of pico nor quest2, I have a lot of other headsets so I always try to see it from a neutral position and you have to admit the fanbase of quest2 by now smokes the picos, and thats kind of sad. People have to understand that when there is no competition you pretty much have to take whats there or leave it and with that you have to accept all of what includes it as there is no other option to choose from. Just like with Nvidia, they can basically do whatever they want as amd just doest come close really or take intel as an example, their prices before AMD stepped up their game were through the roof, but with proper competition they had to lower the prices big time which is good for us the consumer.
We should not take sides because those big companies are definitely not our good friendly neighbor's they want you to think they are. I love my Pico and I am very excited for what the future will bring.
Hows it holding up today? Thinking of importing it to the us as a replacement.
Buying from the like amazon uk(or other country that have the pico4) for import to north america look even more risky.
Shipping fee is already costly and delivery may take up to a month.
So what if you get a faulty headset and have/want to send it back?
End up having to pay extra shipping and wait extra month?
Probably not worth the risk...
I returned mine too for so many reasons mentioned in the video
I have heard this about the games library beeing old version and no dlc and Broken crossplay from different sorces but this is first time i see video about the problem from a UA-cam who reviewed the unit.
Good work good information, pico should fix this asap
Thanks mate.
I can see a light glare like a fog in the middle of the screen, it's particulary noticable if you move your head up and down, I see a foggy bit in the center. Is that faulty or expected?
My battery drops from 100% to 50% after one hour of gaming (playing "Les Mills" and "After the Fall") on 90 Hz. Can anyone say if that is normal ? Apart from that no issues with scratches or anything else. There is a a little bit of lense flare if there is a high contrast or there are objects on the side that are very bright (like the earth on the homescreen). Screendoor is noticable but far far less as on the oculus quest 1. I got the feeling that screendoor effekt very much depends on the quality of the input source. In games it is virtually unnoticealbe .
I have a couple of faults with mine. There is image warping in both lenses, which looks like pincushion or maybe even moustache distortion. It's easy to notice when looking around in a static scene (like Pico home), but fortunately not very noticeable in game. Distortion is less than my Pimax 5k+, which I got used to, so it isn't quite a dealbreaker.
The second issue is my left screen is slightly brighter than the right. Most of the time it isn't detectable, but it can really look bad in some dark environments; causing you to see textures in the left eye that do not appear in the right (and that can be nauseating). I should exchange it under warranty, though after reading so many bad reviews I'm half afraid I'll just get a worse unit with dead pixels or mura.
The brightness issue seems super common as does the distortion, yeah just a gamble as to if you get a better one or not.
I Have the same cracking noise on my controller rest everything is completely fine, amazing lenses with no screen door, no scratches nothing. The controller are very cheap, while playing contractors i grip the controller hard for shooting and they make this annoying crackling noise😢
Just a heads up you can reset if having software issues, - Press and hold the volume-up button and the power button for 15 seconds.
- Android logo will appear with sentence ''no command''
- Press again Power button and volume-up button for one second and release.
- Menu should appear.
- Select ''Wipe data and factory reset''
Yeah this is the standard way to reset any Android device, we really shouldn't have to though.
Mine came with a very thin green line on the left display. So sad because it's not at all easy to get a replacement in my Country.. But the rest is working fine. By the way, it HAS visible screendoor effect. It's not terrible, but it's very noticeable.
I sold my Pico 4 because of it hurts my face in the front and the back of my head too.The wind in the eyes bothered me too.Very bad facegasket and i don't want to wait month to get one from vr cover or others
I just want to know if locally downloaded 3d videos work.... I have many sbs, 180 and 360 videos will they play natively or will I need to sideload an app?
I LOVE my Pico 4! Quest 2 just gathering dust. Before returning it for any optical issues, make sure your IPD is set correctly; even 1 mm can make a difference as I found out. Anytime I play for over an hour, I plug in my Anker 20,100 mAh battery pack that I already had, so can’t speak to the battery life.
Hi mate do you have any tips on how to accurately set the IPD? I’m brand new to VR and PICO and no matter what setting I set the IPD to it doesn’t really seem to change the image (I don’t have any problem with image clarity however I’m just wondering how to get the best out of the IPD setting)
If they made it with a displayport
I recently picked up the pico 4 as an upgrade to my quest 2. Immediately, I was blown away with the clarity, the fov, the weight and not having to feel like I was looking through the narrow portholes of some binoculars. Fast forward 2 weeks and I been having to go back to my quest2 despite it weighing like a tank (with the vive head strap and a battery mod). I've found that in low light scenarios, like trying to watch a movie in vrchat is unbearable. The lens just has this like haze, glare effect. It washes out everything in view, like having a dirty lenses that you can't wipe off. Sadly I'm in the states and bought it off an unauthorized dealer so I'm stuck with it. And yes, I have upgraded to the bobovr headstrap combo and the facial interface. Anyone else having the same issues?
I got 2 pico 4 both with the same issue. It was so annoying. I have been using quest 2 64gb for over 2 years and ocassionaly can see similar effect, mostly when there are many white going on but with pico it was like 10 times worse. But the main reason I sent them back is some fan blew air towards my eyes. The first one was actually quite warm air. Just after 30 min of usage I got serious dizziness because of some distortion and then huge eye pain cause of those air issues. It is so shame because it could be a very good upgrade from q2. The pencace lens clarity it just mind-blowing but with these issues it is just not usable.
Good honest review as always Karl. You are my ‘daily driver’ UA-camr when it comes to these things 😂
I’m really interested in this headset for PCVR sim racing but am going to sit tight for the time being until it properly shakes down. It almost feels that there’s an element of luck whether you get a good unit from what I’m reading. I’ve just upgraded my GPU and CPU so my Q2 is running very nicely at the moment so I’m relatively satisfied with it. I was very excited by the Pico 4 headset initially, but I’ll keep my eye on developments for the time being. I’m sure that Pico will improve the software and provide upgrades in good time. On paper, I still think it’s got loads of potential. Keep up the good work and I hope your recovery continues in a positive direction 👍
Agreed Andrew! Seems like a Pico lottery right now and as you say on paper the potential is great.
I‘ve bought Pico 4 after quest 2. I was immediately disappointed about image clarity of pico 4 (I am playing only flight sims like msfs2020, dcs, xplane 12). Yes, resolution is higher, FOV either. But, image is darker therefore it seems not so sharp for my eyes. Even in Home Screen where resolution must be native. Indicators in aircraft cockpit also look not so sharp, no benefit in front of quest 2, I had to move closer to the panel to see digits on some of indicators. By the way I connected glasses with PC via usb cable. It is way too buggy. So I decided to return it to the seller. I don’t like messing around with it whereas quest 2 was working almost without problems just out of the box.
hi karl , hope this finds you well geeza.
i bought a neo 3 link from system active , who i have to say were mint , and i absolutely love the headset...i use it as a pc wired headset btw....
after watching this and you mentioned about the pico logo hanging , i have to say i thought it was more human error , ie ... me ..lol, than a software /product error , so it was interesting for me to hear that this maybe a thing . mmmmm 🤔
At the end of the day you only turn it on at the power button, there's nothing for you to do wrong mate! If it's hanging then it's hanging.
@@KarlGosling cheers for the reply matey👍
fingers crossed its a software update thing .
i came from the old rift which i loved, the the difference with the neo and the dp link is mind blowing 👍
I just canceled my order. Planned to use it as a stand alone device and link cable for pc-vr since I can't connect the router directly to my pc. Quest 2 seems like the best option in my case. What's the point of higher resolution if none of the few apps there got it and the cable makes it even worse.
Right now I agree mate.
@@KarlGosling Thanks for being one of the few honest youtubers on this topic. Most must've agree upon only talking about the positive stuff
Very good review of vr headset, was going to buy pico 4 headset this has helped me make up my mind, im going to wait for quest 3.
Anybody notice a slight warping towards the middle part of their vision with pico 4? As if the lens wasn’t aligned as it should and its gives a slight distortion in the image as you pan around slowly. It’s not noticeable though once I’m in a game. Despite that, if pico can fix the SA usb mode, definitely a great bargain compared to quest pro for pcvr.
Yep I see it
Warping here as well...
Can I ask a question or can anyone help me out. No matter whether I am in the environment scene page, home page or playing a video. The graphics all have a mesh over them. The screen door effect. The mountains in the home scene page. The earth and planet outside the space window. When watching UA-cam inside it or a video, just meshy graphics. I have a great internet connection and all connections are fine. is this what VR should be as this is my first ever headset, or is expecting a crisp image with it saying 4k display too much?
I see everyone's vidoes on UA-cam of them in their home page and its so clear. Are they linked up by wires instead of wireless. Its so frustrating that nothing on mine is crisp?
Thanks again.
You can add my problem to the list. The black horizontal line which scrolls from top to bottom in Passthrough mode. 😡
Im surprised of the honemenue as i had the headset turned on the first time. The weight is great and graphics too
So, I tried a lot of HMD’s so far, PCVR only ones and mostly all of the Standalone ones with Wireless PCVR, I gotta say this one is the worst so far if it comes to the company own Software which forces you to either buy VD for 20buck or just go for a more compatible HMD such as a Q2.
I’m returning mine online for the reason that I expected not more from The standalone Software.
Keep in mind with Meta we have been getting on average 1 version update per month. How often does Pico update their software?
So far... not often.
Amazing content! You are the best!
My oculus quest controller sounded like that after I dropped it to the floor. No cracks but still started to sound like that
Probably best not to drop them on the floor then mate! lol
@@KarlGosling Yeah it's better to throw them in to the wall 🙂
I wonder if the screen door is comparable to the gear vr? Wasn't noticeable on a s10 unless u look at it.
The first vr headset i have ever owned is a psvr. Is it worth getting a quest 2 instead of a pico 4. Also, is the PCVR wired experience with the pico 4 bearable?
If you get a good Pico 4 then it is much better than a Q2 from a hardware point of view, for PCVR it's great over VD.
I just bought one...First roadblock was the Pico VR app will not work on my phone (Galaxy S5). So in order to get virtual desktop I have to download the Pico VR apk from a third party to the headset. So it's not a good start. I logged in online and tried but ACG blocked it as a threat....I had same problem with a DJI drone I bought could not install any of the software that was needed to use the thing. Looks like selling a product is more important than customer service.
After about three weeks of use still no issues whatsoever. Bought the Pico 4 for wireless PCVR with Virtual Desktop and that works as well as with my Quest 2 which is now for sale.
Love the pancake lenses with 105x105 FOV and especially the 40% less weight hanging in front of my head!
The front heavy Quest 2 was only good for 60-90 minuutes of gaming, the Pico 4 is way more comfortable and I can wear it for hours... (5000mA powerbank between the stap on the back balances out the front to back weight perfectly and gives 4-5 hours of playtime)
The facial cover gets softer every week, but I hope to see a cover to get closer to the lenses, there is a lot of space and a FOV of 115x115 could be possible!
Pico 4 games will get better, read on Reddit that a lot of developers are stil waiting for Pico to update their games to full resolution, but I can't recommend the Pico 4 for standalone gaming for now...
Got the Logitech Chorus on order to give it a try, it's a Quest accesoiry but fits well enough with some velcro straps or double sided tape to hold it in place.
Can you comment on vissuals between wireless PCVR games between Quest2 vs PIco?
@@pedroarraztoa2789 Better picture (higher res), BIG sweetspot, noticable higher FOV (105/105) especially vertically.
No godrays anymore but the pancake lenses have some glare with white objects on black background....
Not a problem in most parts of gameplay though. Overall the Pico 4 is a good upgrade to for me in both visuals and comfort....
@@Pjotrrr60 thanks
I returned my one after 5-6 hours of trying to get it working with PCVR.
I use a Q2 (90fps) with iracing and it’s amazing and buying a Pico 4 I was hoping for better clarity, I was wrong. I couldnt even get it was run on medium setting and at more than 45fps.
The headset I found to be uncomfortable, rear pad was so hard, and the cover let lots of light in, I was expecting a bit but not loads. The light that was in the lens, from this, was very distracting.
There seems to be a smudge on the inside of the lens which was distracting and the render resolution was terrible.
I run a higher spec PC (12900k 3090ti) and was expecting better.
The q2 is so much better even with inferior lenses
If people complain about the rear pad being hard, it means your tightening it too much. Loosen it up! No need to tighten since it’s not front heavy.
@@johnmann7o2 good tip - that’s maybe because on the Q2 elite head strap I have a tight and the fit is completely different👍🏻
I've been on a hold from Amazon Germany from last month. I'm about to cancel mine. Wish they'd release it in the US but with talks about banning TikTok I can see why they would hesitate 😞
You can buy it through walmart usa which is what i did today, arrives quick too. Should be receiving it thursday.
I get Pico 4 in day one. No issues so far. Yes store is more or less empty(time will fix this, i hope).
At least some of us got decent ones, mine is still fine too.
Returned mine after 3 days. Could not get ipd to correct the focus and jagged lines and shimmering text, just gave me a headache. I have watched other people on youtube showing how to use ipd and the virtual rooms they are in are well focussed. mine were just jagged and blurred.
I just returned mine. In my case, it had a weird bug in which the right controller's trigger button, while being functional (if I pressed it I could see the button on the simulated controller being pressed, and also I could fire weapons in games as far as I could see) it didn't register as being pressed in menus, which was annoying. Also the image has a weird fish-eye effect which is very annoying. I don't know, between that and all the negative and neutral reviews, something about this product didn't say "durability" and "quality" for me.
But I loved that the image was much clearer than in Q2
Typical poor QC I think mate :(
I think I'll request for a refund, not because it's bad, but because my order that I placed as in stock from nearly a month has been delayed indefinitely by one of their official distributors
I've been on a hold from Amazon Germany from last month. I'm about to cancel mine too. Wish they'd release it in the US but with talks about banning TikTok I can see why they would hesitate 😞
I have bought a HTC Vive Pro 2 off Amazon brand new and couldn't ever get the resolution to be good. It was worse than my Rift S. I spent 2 days trying to figure it out. Sent it back and got a Quest 2. Had the Quest 2 setup in 10 minutes.
Q2 is super easy to use thats for sure, everything just works.
I'm thinking of buying these purely for pc racing would you say these are a good buy for the money, willing to take the risk with quality issues can always return it for a replacement 😁😁
A wired headset for sim racing would give better results, like the G2 V2... but it's more money of course.
ive returned it- Got a headset with deadpixel. Pico puts all points on the lense but none of comfort. for me the choice not to choose a simple headband the worst decision pico made. There are also some software issues. and the noise of the fan is too loud for me.
Battery tanks on mine too, lucky if it gets an hour. Pain on forehead after a minute or two with pressure from face pad. Really bad lenses, high contrast glare, a wavy distortion when turning head. Blurry overall image, just not crisp on edge of text whereever I look on the lens. There is a consistency in edge to edge clarity, but its not crystal clear. Really bad wifi connection, around 2mbps on wifi, but quest gets 30+. I'll probably try and get a return or replacement to see if this is a QC issue, or if using razor sharp aspheric lenses has raised my expectations too high.
edit: I also forgot the mura grain. I may just be more sensitive to these lenses issues as I've not been using fresnel lenses for a while, and most people are coming to pico from fuzzy fresnel
I bought a pico4 256gb i Hope that It Will be ok, i can try It
A word of caution WRT returning a Pico 4 to Amazon: They don't allow drop-off options other than YOU paying return postage and claiming it back. The only other option is for their courier to pick it up from you meaning you might have to stay in for TWO working days. Despite their returns page saying the pickup will be the next working day, the customer services team say it could be TWO days...
Had my pico 4 since Christmas, I find it very uncomfortable to wear after a while. It's let's light in quite badly from sides even after I fitted a cover. My lenses seem blurry in places and the battery life is awful I don't even get an hour from full charge. Pico store is quite bad at the moment although still early days. I still like the headset though.
I've bought one, can't go back to my Quest 2.
Much better display, lenses, colours (in my opinion), battery life is acceptable, the face cover has become more comfortable after multiple uses, the strap is comfortable enough, but I've had to slightly mod it with more padding. Tracking issues to begin with but with the software updates it's been fixed. No other issues with warping etc.
Overall, I'm very happy. I only use it for PCVR and have a dedicated router, so the experience is flawless. I'm probably a more specific use case.
Pretty much my use case too mate.
@@KarlGosling Excellent video btw, you've been the number one source which convinced me to give it a go. Glad I did!
My Quest 2 will be going to a friend as I sadly have no use for it now :D
Ill stick to my Quest 2 which I run all games wireless via PC..Zero issues. No need to downgrade to this.
If you get a good one it's very much an upgrade! Sold one of my Q2's now I have this.
I’m using mine has wireless PCVR HMD coming from Rift S screen door I suffered was result of poor Wi-Fi , now I’ve setup a dedicated VR router it’s pretty good , the odd games need to be played by cables due to control issues & virtual desktop not mapping the controller correctly I’ve no interest in mobile vr I tried Blink traveler earlier looked stunning almost like your stood in the Grand Canyon
I don't think you understood what "screendoor effect" iws. It has NOTHING to do with the connection...it's an hardware thing.