Cliffe Classics - Student Believes God Is An All Powerful Energy Force That Is Good and Evil
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- Опубліковано 21 січ 2024
- No. 38
Recorded - Fall 1998
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The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
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THIS IS THE 3RD OR 4TH YEAR IN A ROW YOU POSTED ON MY BIRTHDAY. I’M 20 YEARS OLD NOW. THANK YOU!!!!!
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Likewise dude ☺️. It's my 24th birthday and seeing another video with younger Cliffe Knechtle is a gift 🎂🎉.
I was raised Christian but became an atheist and agnostic from 2017-2019 as a teenager dealing with mental health issues until I started reading my Bible again after my music teacher gave me his red Bible I read it from Genesis to Revelation. I would call Cliffe Knechtle and his family heroes because people like that look out for believers and unbelievers alike as human beings whether they agree, disagree or disrespectfully disagree. AMEN most people aren't looking for The Truth but feeling better or superior to others. Apostle Paul accepted his weaknesses as a way to glorify our Creator 🙏👊❤️. We're all sinners trying to do Good or Evil in our actions and intentions. After reading The Bible in it's context I realized that The 7 Days of Creation in Genesis are actually 7 thousand years as a Day to The Lord God is a thousand years as Psalm and 2 Peter says so the Earth is actually older than 14 thousand years old so it could be millions to billions of years old. I'm glad brothers Cliffe and Stuart Knechtle's Apologetics ministry still going strong in 2023 after all these decades. Evolutionary biology from common ancestry has nothing to do with believing in a Creator we call God but it's a tool used by Atheists, agnostics and secular people to promote their own godless community and agenda against Christianity. Atheists and secular humanists are guilty of promoting a nihilistic reality where everyone and everything is objectively meaningless because of and in spite of religion and Atheism. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
There always seems to be some smug kid who thinks they have a "gotcha" question, and then Cliffe always answers it in such a... simple yet beautiful way that you can understand.
Sorry you're wrong, kids have had gotcha questions, and he did not or could not answer them either because he couldn't do it honestly mean not that he would lie, but he was afraid to or he really didn't know, but yet it was not a proper question to ask that when you. Can't blame on him the ones where he chooses to ignore the question and uses it in escape clause. Yeah, he's wrong for that. And I've said that many times on here.
I wish he went on a bit longer because I think he could have made a better argument, at minimum for an objective morality compared to a relative one, that doesn't answer whether that objective morality comes from god, but really, that is irrelevant. The point, the kid even made himself, cliffe didn't catch the question, the kid says "How well did the nazi society survive? it was destroyed" well thats his point. Those societies which lived by relative morality, they rationalized new laws, the communists in the soviet union are an even better example, as well as maoist china, because moral relativism was built into their very philosophy, and they murdered more people then all of the people in all of the wars in the last 2000 years combined. His point is you have to play out the tape. If you go by the belief that society makes the morals, that they are a social construct, then well, society can be changed, and we can change our morals. That society always degenerates into hell, and the people who live in those societies want to leave, to join a society that lives by objective morality. So the only solution if you want to create a society that does not degenerate into hell, a society that we all want to live in, then you have to have an objective moral standard, otherwise, entropy takes in, and one by one step by step the morality disappears because it gets in the way. This is evidenced by the 20th century... it doesn't take very long either, it all happens in a single lifetime... maybe 10 20 years, max, more often then not, much less its usually hell from the very start.
@@moosehead4497we know he won't listen or maybe try to read your whole comment. He choose not to listen.
@@OurSavior-xr3ycYou just made a Truth Statement. You care to explain that Position as being True?
@@WizzRacing I have several things to mention, so please read carefully if you're even able to read this. As UA-cam has been shadow banning me. So I have no idea if you will see this comment. Plus they quickly get deleted when not shadow banned So please if you do see my comments as soon as you see them. Please tell me you read them and read them carefully before they're deleted if they are.
Secondly, I have no problem answering your question. I will do so down below after I make this statement. Please respect this statement. I say sincerely and thoughtfully. Whether a person is an atheist or a Christian or anything else. I've been doing this for years and when I answer a question. 1 of 3 things usually happens and third one is very rare. The first thing is, they usually just make ziniger marks and keep asking questions but don't actually want to hold a conversation. They just want a corner of the conversation per se and just try to attack. The second person just wants to make conversation and then walks away before. I can't even ask a question both are negatively bad. It is not really holding a conversation towards truth or understanding. The third one is the 1 I'm worried you will do. So please understand I said I'm worried you will do it. I'm not accusing you of doing it okay. People will ask me a question like you. Just did. I'll spend a long time typing out the answer. Because I'm a legally blind and I'm also very tired because it takes a lot of work for me to do this As well my Voice Recorder can make a lot of mistakes when I don't do it by hand. So, because I'm gonna give you an honest sincere answer. I deeply respectfully ask that you carefully read my answer and respond in kind with a proper response. God bless you and again. My answer will be down below.
For the decades I have watched him. He has always been very sincere. I don't doubt that I never have. I don't even doubt his attempt doing good fruit. I'm never accusing cliff of deliberately trying to bring people away from God. So please don't misunderstand that I would never make that point unless he changes in another direction. What I'm referring to is on numerous occasions, and obviously you'd have to watch a lot of this videos to hear this for yourself. So even though I'm gonna tell you then how can you take my word for it. You have to watch the videos for a long time to hear him with his inconsistencies in his other input. But here goes, number one he's talked about how he believes completely in God in god's work, but then he also believes in evolution and I don't mean just microbe meaning full-fledged evolution. He has said so in many occasions, and if as a pastor he reads God's word carefully. Even if he may wrestle with it struggle with the understanding of it, you as a pastor really can't believe in evolution, I know why some passers do I know why it's passed down from their seminaries? I know why a lot of big churches want you to be forced to believe it these days. But that doesn't mean it's true. I have even heard him say. For example, one thing about evolution is true and 1 thing is false. You can't have it both ways either. You believe evolution, or you don't either you accept evolution. Or you don't, and he can be inconsistent there. That's one example, so what's the key? So do I have to be the teachings about abortion VS the teachings about other things? And that's a whole other discussion, but my point is if you really believe evolution as he teaches. Or says he believes then you can't hold the kids accountable. He talks to for some of their beliefs. Because evolution is what gives them that process in the way that he says he believes meaning the big Bang it's over. And I don't know where you stand on that, but yes, if you study it out in the belief system, the scientist hold and you're consistent. The big Bang is part of evolution that I was talking to as a boy, now I see it is not being scientifically true with. Out the discussion but I hope you see my point here that the point number one was cliff.
Point number 2 with cliff is he has on numerous occasions discussed abortion. He says how abortion are killing children is wrong, but then he spoke out on the other side of his mouth and had said on numerous occasions where he understands him, some circumstances were abortion as okay, you can't do that either. It's wrong, or it's right now I didn't say the mother should be in jail and say the mother's persecuted I didn't say you should kill the mother. I'm not saying anything in that way whatsoever so who you can see that in what I'm typing. We're discussing the value of life and the value of the child, and what goes on there that at the moment, it's where I'm referring to, and he's very inconsistent because some moments he fights for life other moments he just eats excuse as it urges miss his life, you. Can't do that either
It's either all life with intrinsic value. For every being. Or it's not you can't pick and choose. Otherwise you'd really be no rescue pizza in Hitler or anyone else. The same people he speaks against.
Thirdly, and he did it in this very video that I just watched today. An old 1 from 1997 II don't even remember if this is where the comment came from I think this comment you gave me from a different video. But anyway, in 1997, his theology was more basic, more Bible centered, as it should be so when I say basic I don't mean plain and simple, I mean theologically sound, it was more sound okay, and he actually discussed the point behind the cross, and good works. How good works. Don't save you but boy. You naturally do good works and so forth. But over time his and pleased excuse the term his. His theology has evolved into something very different today and he's left gospel. I didn't say he ignores the gospel. He said he's left it a lot. Over the last 27 years, she's gone from a lot of theology and Bible center. Truth to more philosophy and other forms of truth. No, I'm not claiming it's not a Christian. Please don't think I'm saying that I'm not and I know. He loves the Lord. I'm not questioning his his love for God. I'm saying that he's moving further and further away from the truth of God. Because he likes to reach the kids that he's talking to. And that's a very dangerous thing to do. Because, as soon as you do that, you slowly but surely are that slippery slope move away from the truth. Of God in your own heart and you're also misleading the children. Whether they're a college kid or children age, you're misleading them. He's also spoken about hell in a very different way than the Bible speaks of I've even heard him contradict that 1 moment he says how in the truth of being separated from God is darkness, then he's discussed. How is a burning placei don't mean the Lake of fire or I'd mean a physical place that you eternally bird, you can't have it both ways now. I'm not saying he can't learn and change his mind, but he's gone back and fourth, he's not even consistently changing his mind where people can learn over time, that they made a mistake with the studies and they found the truth was really what it was, no I mean, he actually goes. Back-and-forth a little bit with the kids which can be confusingto the people. He speaks to over the years. He's also spoken about hell in a very different way than the Bible speaks of I've even heard him contradict that 1 moment he says how in the truth of being separated from God is darkness, then he's discussed. How is a burning placei don't mean the Lake of fire or I'd mean a physical place that you eternally bird, you can't have it both ways now. I'm not saying he can't learn and change his mind, but he's gone back and fourth, he's not even consistently changing his mind where people can learn over time, that they made a mistake with the studies and they found the truth was really what it was, no I mean, he actually goes. Back-and-forth a little bit with the kids which can be confusingto the people. He speaks to over the years. How we teach about homosexuality, for example, in today's video that they repeated. After 20:07 years he did a very good job. He did an excellent job he spoke as he should have as a pastor as a human being as a loving person or a stuck to the Bible truth of it, but he also stuck to the gospel at the same time. What you call the dude, and that's not. That's they would say pink look warm. I don't mean that I don't mean he's. You know, mixing truth and error to to be happy. I mean, he's saying you need to be like Jesus Christ. Tell the truth about the sins of homosexuality, but yet not be a hammer either.
I could say a lot more but those are just some examples. I hope this stays on the screen for you to see because like I said, it may get deleted, I'll try to repost if it does, but most likely if they do that, they're gonna shadow ban me the rest of the day. I've already been shadow banned the last 24 hours.
I hope this shows sincerity in my taking my time to partially speak. But mostly hand type this out, God Blessyou.
I was raised Christian but became an atheist and agnostic from 2017-2019 as a teenager dealing with mental health issues until I started reading my Bible again after my music teacher gave me his red Bible I read it from Genesis to Revelation. I would call Cliffe Knechtle and his family heroes because people like that look out for believers and unbelievers alike as human beings whether they agree, disagree or disrespectfully disagree. AMEN most people aren't looking for The Truth but feeling better or superior to others🙏👊❤️. We're all sinners trying to do Good or Evil in our actions and intentions. After reading The Bible in it's context I realized that The 7 Days of Creation in Genesis are actually 7 thousand years as a Day to The Lord God is a thousand years as Psalm and 2 Peter says so the Earth is actually older than 14 thousand years old so it could be millions to billions of years old. I'm glad brothers Cliffe and Stuart Knechtle's Apologetics ministry still going strong in 2024 after all these decades. After studying science I realized that Evolutionary biology from common ancestry has nothing to do with believing in a Creator we call God but it's a tool used by Atheists, agnostics and secular people to promote their own godless community and agenda against Christianity. Atheists and secular humanists are guilty of promoting a nihilistic reality where everyone and everything is objectively meaningless because of and in spite of religion and Atheism. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
You say people are afraid of the truth yet you believe in fairy tales and myths. Funny shit man.
Provide your “real factors” that prove god because there never has been any
Thanks be to God, the Father Son and Holy Spirit, for opening your mind and heart to receive Him. Cliffe is not the hero....Jesus is the hero for all humanity Amen. May God keep blessing Cliffe and his ministry, as he continues to serve our Lord Jesus in any which way he is called to do.
My dear, yes we are sinners but also saints, trying to be presentable to our loving Creator. However, we aren't trying to do good and evil as you're saying....yes, we do keep falling into sin despite trying to turn away from it. But hope is not lost because "what's impossible for man is possible with God", meaning that the Holy Spirit is our helper to grow into spiritual maturity with our Lord Jesus the Christ.
Finally, it does not matter whether or not the earth is a billion years old, or if the end times will occur in our lifetime....the only thing that matters is to have our hearts ready to receive Jesus at any time, with our eyes and mind truly focused on the one true living triune God.
May the Lord bless and keep all who seek and adore Him.
@@03Lorac Exactly
@@03Lorac Say that to criminals and people intentionally doing Evil
New essay just dropped
I love watching older videos of cliffe, he was cutthroat and savage 😂
😂.. facts
But done in Love❤
@@SELAHPAUSE absolutely it is trying to show people who is the way the truth and the life
crazy how before phones all these people seem way more thoughtful and less emotional
Who's the Bible speaks of every generation? Just gets worse. It's prophetic sad but still prophetic. So it proves God true and the Bible. True and soon be proven even more true more than you can imagine very soon in our lifetime.
@@OurSavior-xr3ycyes exactly he wants his bride to make herself ready
@@katherinefuentes901 Absolutely Amen, just like the 5 foolish virgins. They're gonna be very surprised.
Thanku! I'm from 1982, thanku for your comment. GREAT OBSERVATION.
love that ending. he got really passionate because he knows where a society that thinks morally is relative is headed.
its the easiest way to justify evil
Won't take long before society will be a lot more like Nazi Germany then ever before.
I want to follow God, so ive been watching these types of videos lately. Ive agreed with everything that cliff has said so far except for this ending. I dont believe that I am right and he is wrong, but I cant find any answers yo my question. The evils we see in history like adolf hitler and jewish discrimination are only evil to me because I learned from books and society said it was evil. But what If I grew up in nazi germany or germany won ww2 and conquered the world? Wouldnt I along with everyone else believe that Jewish are inferior to me? Just because i grew up in a society that told me that? I dont see how I would think its evil because society normalized it.
This is probably a very dumb question with a very simple answer, but id appreciate help in understanding it all
@@deat-mq5xiIt is awesome that you want to follow God! To answer your question, it’s basically what Cliff said in the end. In the midst of a society that tells us that morality is relative and there is no right and wrong, we have the evidence of a God that teaches us through himself justice and righteousness. Jesus himself set the standard of the right way to live in the middle of a sinful society. Through His forgiveness and grace, and believing that He really died for me and resurrected I have that access to a relationship with God that helps me live the way Jesus did; not through my knowledge and deeds, but through His grace.
Man, this was filmed the year I was born, thanks Cliffe and Stuart for your ministry
same
5 years after I was paralyzed... I've been in a wheelchair longer than you dudes have been alive! Count your blessings! Pursue truth! Think deeply, seriously and as consistently as possible! 🙏🧠👍
@@jessebryant9233Hey, man tall, you said my brother. God bless you and good statement, concise and simple but perfect.
@@jessebryant9233 sorry you were paralyzed
Life is way better than I would have expected when it happened... And if you're gonna be a gimp, I must say that 21 century America is a pretty good time and place to do it. ❤🙏💪
You are pretty good preacher , Cliffe 😊
Thank God for Cliff.
Brilliant teachings. Jesus is Lord ❤️🙌🏾
The weardest statements and oddest questions he always has an answer always in love always in truth. This man is amazing. All the glory to God
Filmed fall 1998
Love you cliff ❤🫂
Love the passion and the brilliant answers. This was an amazing one!
He allows us to learn through all avenues for our souls to come closer to Him.
The thing those students should answer is "where does society get their morality from?" America was built by the founding fathers on a Judea-Christian moral system. Our constitution was built off the 10 commandments and even though we had slavery at the time, they knew it would not last and gave us a way to fix it within the constitution. Morality is not relative nor subjective...it is purely objective and we know it in our hearts when we do wrong. God has written his moral code on our hearts and that is why we feel guilt and shame. So again, if there is no God, therenis no such thing as morality nor is there good or evil.
Also, the first thing God did to create our universe is he spoke. "God said, let there be light." Speaking is a form of energy called sound, so in a way, that girl was right that the universe is energy but...that does not mean the universe is God. He created it but...as an analogy here...is a painter a part of his painting or outside of it? He created our world but is outside and beyond it
Dude, listen to what you said. You said morality here in the states were based on judeo-christian beliefs under our forefathers. While this is true, you have just admitted that our moral standards are based on what our forefathers believed. There are plenty of atheists who don't know Christian morals and believe that having sex outside of marriage is okay. They believe doing drugs is a choice. Why? Because they were not raised Christian and therefore don't understand it's moral principles. That then, goes against what you said "God has written a moral code upon everyone's heart". If that is the case then how can an atheist believe drugs and sex is okay? It's because morals are taught. The reason you feel guilty is because of what you were taught is wrong, not because of what's written upon your heart
@@warriorgp4640 yes they are taught, handed down from the teachings of christ. If there is no objective moral standard outside of ourselves, then murder is subjective. If evolution is right, then it's survival over morality and the human condition shows the exact opposite of that. There are 3 stages of law. God's absolute moral laws, under that we have laws and rules based off that in a Civil Code, then under that is a Cultural morality. Culture is derived from government which should be derived from the absolutes. So yes, culture does in some way define morality, but Hitler was still wrong under the laws of God even though his culture said it was right. In order to find the source, follow the river back to its spring
@@warriorgp4640The reason what you say is false, is that you cannot live as a drug addict or a murderer and feel good or be happy unless you’re physically mentally disabled. Trust me, I’ve known a lot of criminals and drug deals who lived how they wanted, and NONE of them are happy and every single one of their lives is a mess.
You ever watch that show ‘the first 48’? It’s always some super thug murderer, and 99% of them confess out of guilt. They THOUGHT they were a moral relativist but turns out that doesn’t work like you want it to.
So much respect for this man
I have been searching for this wise man's vids. So happy I finally found him! ☺🙏💗
I LOVE THESE VIDEOS! Thank you so much to you both and anyone else apart of this! Hallelujah
CLIFFE BE COOKIN🗣🗣
we all have different perceptions & outlooks of life but we can agree that life isnt the same for everyone, some good , some bad
"Society's morality is what you accept when you chose to be a member of society." When did any of us chose to be born, the country we are in, the family, and especially the society?
Wrong perspective
@@OurSavior-xr3ycHow is that a "wrong perspective"? It shows that his "it's based on society!" argument is faulty.
@@KingStr0ng First, because you still ultimately have choices. After the fact there's always something that's happened to us that we didn't have a choice. We have a choice of how we deal with our future or even our present tense.
Second, don't forget that just because society is what it is doesn't mean.If we know something's wrong we can't as a people do the right thing.But that brings up my third point.Just a second but that that's my point right now.If society all said it's okay to kill people because of this or that that doesn't make it right. Therefore, for person knew that they would need to speak out about what's wrong.Now.I'll get to my third point down below.
Thirdly, objective morality and objective reality exist outside of us. We can't be the standard because you just prove my point. If we are the standard, and every society can be a different standard or even within their own society. Every other day changed or standard. Then there's no real standard. There has to be an objective reality, objective standard objective morality for it's truly stand on its own legs and you have to have that outside of ourselves. It can't be from within.
Now the part, I know you disagree with, especially if you're not a Christian is that we have inside of us and innate understanding of right and wrong but because of sin, we choose to ignore a lot of The Times because we either subjectively want to do what we selfishly want to do or because. We're scared to help others learn why it's wrong.
Lastly even though you may not believe in God, if you don't and even if you don't believe God exists. If you don't no one says it if there was a condition words. God still doesn't exist. His objective reality still exist and just like gravity. You may not be able to really understand it or see it or forget it completely. But you know the effects of it and you can see the effects of objective. Morality VS subjective morality and it has to exist on its own outside of our own minds, which means we need a mind above the mind. 3 of them have it be true. OKI know that's a lot to take in, but please really taken in stew over it. Really think about it ponder on it, don't look at it subjectively. Don't look at it philosophically. Really study it out and then leave it out.
@@OurSavior-xr3yc So are you saying that morality is based on society or not? Because the OP's comment is saying that most people don't choose to be a member of their society, which is correct, and that is yet another hole in the Atheist's claim that morality is based on where we live. It isn't. The will of the people run contrary to the will of the politicians most of the time. Morality can never be based on the state.
@@KingStr0ng Okay. So now I'm gonna go take care of business. If you leave another message, I'll just get back to you later, but I hope I help you understand a lot. You may not agree, but I hope you understood a lot. Thank you. Have a nice day.
It's my 24th birthday and seeing another video with younger Cliffe Knechtle is a gift 🎂🎉.
I was raised Christian but became an atheist and agnostic from 2017-2019 as a teenager dealing with mental health issues until I started reading my Bible again after my music teacher gave me his red Bible I read it from Genesis to Revelation. I would call Cliffe Knechtle and his family heroes because people like that look out for believers and unbelievers alike as human beings whether they agree, disagree or disrespectfully disagree. AMEN most people aren't looking for The Truth but feeling better or superior to others. 🙏👊❤️. We're all sinners trying to do Good or Evil in our actions and intentions. After reading The Bible in it's context I realized that The 7 Days of Creation in Genesis are actually 7 thousand years as a Day to The Lord God is a thousand years as Psalm and 2 Peter says so the Earth is actually older than 14 thousand years old so it could be millions to billions of years old. I'm glad brothers Cliffe and Stuart Knechtle's Apologetics ministry still going strong in 2024 after all these decades. Evolutionary biology from common ancestry has nothing to do with believing in a Creator we call God but it's a tool used by Atheists, agnostics and secular people to promote their own godless community and agenda against Christianity. Atheists and secular humanists are guilty of promoting a nihilistic reality where everyone and everything is objectively meaningless because of and in spite of religion and Atheism. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
Happy Birthday!!🎉
@@sunyoungwheeler1857 Thank you so much dude 😎
I wonder how many of these people have turned to Christ as a result of these talks.
Incredible
This is at Purdue! I’m a student at Purdue now, I would love for you to come back. I can tell the exact spot you’re in!
I really hope that while I’m here at Purdue they come back. I would LOVE to see them in person doing this
Explained well the last part, flat out truth reality, thank you 🙏🏽
I enjoy watching these videos so much, I am thankful to God! The student does not seem to understand from Cliffs explanation, i Stuart already said this to another student but "he sounds very objective stating that everything is relative" bringing us back to the evidence that objectivity is far more oresent than relativity
Faith in Jesus Christ is a gift given to all who put their trust in Jesus Christ for eternal life by the grace and mercy of GOD. Seek Jesus and defend His ways not a sinful lifestyle.
Ephesians 1:13🕊️
In the first 3 seconds this kid took me back to the late 90's 😂
Think about it...
_The _*_"kids"_*_ in this video are all now in their 40s!!_
Some of them have kids who are in college right now!
Not to want to quote in a rock and roll song of heavy metal but sad but true.
@@OurSavior-xr3yc
Song? Which song?
@@mbgrafix I was in the middle of giving you a reply when I got a phone call plus I think you 2 deleted my reply but I'm not sure anyway to answer your question. It was right in my answer to you to to my response. Originally it's the sun by metallica "Sad but true" I do not listen to them anymore. But in my heyday, they were one of the bands I would listen to for quite a few years along with some other bands that were a long that genre for me in my Christian walk, right, I don't listen to that's enough anymore. I'm not against anyone who does. I don't talk to people like that but it's not me. Definitely not me with God.
@@OurSavior-xr3yc
I didn't delete anything.
As for Metallica...though I am familiar with them and a few of their songs, I do not know much at all about them.
@@mbgrafix No I didn't say you. I said UA-cam. Maybe my Voice Recorder didn't spell out the whole name. I don't know, but I said UA-cam. I know you didn't delete anything, Mike. I wouldn't have accused you of that and that's fine. I was just answering your question. God bless your young man least. I remember that we're young. You're probably 30 years old or maybe mid-thirties. I don't know.
*"God is Omnipotent, that is infinite in power. Righteous and justice are His divine perfections. It is holiness exhibited in government. God’s omnipotence is limited only by His moral perfections. God cannot lie nor do any bad act, although He has the power. Truth or faithfulness of God is much the same as His righteousness. All He says and does is true. His veracity is an element of His character. God cannot lie. As God is eternal His truth remains the same. Whatever is out of harmony with His revealed truth, the same is a lie. All things taught or believed that are out of harmony with His clear revelations are both false and misleading."* 🙏
*Our Lord declared: "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life (John 14:6). "To KNOW God as He has REVEALED Himself to man is TRUTH OF THE HIGHEST ORDER."*
*"I am the Door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief (satan/devil) comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. I am the good Shepherd. The good Shepherd lays down His life for the sheep" - Jesus Christ (John 10:9-11; John 3:16).*
Exactly God has the choice to lie to us, but he doesn’t Because he loves what he’s made and if he truly wanted to he could let a asteroid hit us but, he is constantly making sure nothing hurts us or collides with our planet. If that isn’t loving idk what is, he’s so powerful he could Do whatever he wants to us but he chooses to just love us instead. Lowkey it makes me wanna cry.
@@WarriorOfGod1_ *"God cannot lie." Therefore, all who refused to believe that Jesus is "The Way, The Truth and The Life" (John 14:6), God will send them a strong delusion (a powerful deception, fooled into believing a lie), so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness' (2Thes. **2:11**-12).*
'And Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing beside him on his right hand and on his left; and the LORD said, ‘Who will entice Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’ And one said one thing, and another said another. *Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, saying, ‘I will entice him.’ And the LORD said to him, ‘By what means?’ And he said, ‘I will go out, and will be a lying (deceiving) spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And He said, ‘You are to entice (deceive) him, and you shall succeed; go out and do so.’ Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets;* the LORD has declared disaster for you” (1Kings 22:19-23).
Great responses Cliff ❤
I love how people gather around Cliffe and Stuart
The KJB has only been written once! God bless you Dr Cliffe and Stuart! (These people had great points in Christianity). With 🙏's and love. (Reminds me of Dora the explorer, the fox stealing the backpack lol!)
Confidence in oneself is a valuable asset. It enhances our life. Through it we obtain a certain amount of security and certainty. And this is strengthening. But true confidence is confidently knowing, that we have placed our trust not just in ourselves, but also in God. This was David’s confidence when he slew the giant Goliath. Yes he was very good with a sling wasn’t he. But our confidence isn’t in the sling. It’s in God. Therefore do all you can, knowing that you can, because it’s in God in whom we trust.
Cliffe Rocks!
The first kid talks like Norm McDonald, the comedian. I could not pay attention because I was imagining norm asking questions.
End on a strong 🎵
15:48 _ If only he would STUDY regarding the issue of morality! Right now, he's just cheating himself... But then, what's "wrong" with cheating? 🤔🤯
God is personal!
It’s crazy that these guys don’t realize, with their belief system, they’d be the ones fighting the Allied or the Union soldiers.
What?!?
If you listen to the point of view of the guy in the button up shirt and the Black hat. And what you said about evil and God and the rest of us and call a Vine and so forth, then you'll understand the comment about being against Allied forces and the Union. Soldiers because to this guy apparently evil is almost equal with good, and from the point of view is holding that you probably would go against the opposite spectrum. That he instead should support.
21:59 caught me off guard
the older fella in the button up and black hat is definitely higher than a kite😆
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the Light and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I the Lord do all these things."
When you remove a light from a room, it creates darkness. Light=God
Fun fact, the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary.
🤣🤣🤣🤣LOL
Objective moral:
Genesis 17 : 9-14
That was a long time ago, the truth is here, I had the, phenomena happen to me.
Are you in this video?
Angie, it's a long story, who I am. I'm the one the world has been waiting for. I know the truth.
@@harryelise2757 🤔 I must be misunderstanding, the world is waiting for Jesus & you're not Him.
@@angiew2324 why did you ask, perhaps I'll be in touch after I prove it. I didn't say I was him. Right now you are unable to understand the truth, your mind is to imprisoned by what you have been told. The sad thing, like so many people, you know nothing of the truth. However it's here!
@@harryelise2757 I asked because in the original comment it sounded like you were saying that you were in the video & had been saved since - but clearly that isn't the case. I'm not here to argue with you, that won't accomplish anything, but I will pray for you. 🙏❤️
God is king 👑
Boy, I am born in an Hindu Indian family in India(kerala). And now I accept Jesus as my lord and saviour.
Cliff went off
I was watching one of your videos last night, and you said you someone asked you if you believed 100%. You said you never believe anything 100%. I was stunned. As a Catholic or someone who is a believer, I believe in God 100%. I believe with everything I have. Cliffe, as someone who is spreading the Word and asking questions, I don't understand how you can't believe 100%
"As a Catholic or someone who is a believer, I believe in God 100%."
If youre roman catholic, you dont believe His word 100%, you believe fallible man & tradition. RCC is anti-biblical: Perpetual/worship virgin Mary (despite Matthew 13:55+56), transubstantiation (despite Mark 14:22-25,Luke 22:18-20,1 Corinthians 11:23-25), saved by works/not faith (despite Ephesians 2:8+9), papal infallibility as "another Christ"/alter Christus (Despite Exodus 20:3), modifying commandments (despite Deuteronomy 4:2,Revelation 22:18-19), worldly acceptance (despite 1 John 2:15+16), etc.
@robmc120 I don't want to argue with you, but it's important to not just take out the sentence you want and interpret the way you want. Always read at least a paragraph before and after to give its context and tru meaning.
BTW I do believe 100%. I have faith
@@wendygricken3369 you can CLAIM you have faith 100%, but the roman catholic cult does not allow to believe God's word, as my examples show.
Nothing i quoted from you is refuted in the rest of your comment, thus it was not out of context......
heres some q's to ask yourself if RCC:
Is the unmarried pope/bishop/priest a biblical concept? (see Mark 1:30)
is salvation earned by works by faith given by God? (see Ephesians 2:8+9/Titus 3:5)
i was part of it for 25 years, it has lost it's legalist grip on me.
You don't know how much you believe something until it's challenged
@justingary5322 OH, I believe wholeheartedly, but I'm not going to argue with Cliffe. Any person I speak to who believes and are not Catholic, say they believe in God 100%. How can you have faith in anything if not for belief?
Its interesting that you see the same questions 26 years ago asked by students.
I realize some nuts are hard to crack but I always wonder if Cliffe ever hears from some of those students and if they ever thank him for bringing Jesus into their lives?
I like him chewing while in a relaxed mood
I give him credit because so many of the people make some of the most incoherent statements. Professing themselves to wise but have become fools.
The proof of all scripture is in the personal application of the teachings and challenges. God instructs us to "prove" Him and "see if He will not..." He's concealed Himself in such a way that it's impossible to prove Him via debate/discussion. Think of it in terms of friendship: nobody wants to be friends with a person who is forced or coerced to be a friend. It's personal. How much time has been wasted on "You can't prove it!"? Your time on this earth is incredibly short. Don't wait too long to seek Him on your own.
Its crazy that i was 3 around this time. That little kid booping around is probably my age now which is insane.
Compare the Dead Sea Scrolls dated around the time of Jesus to the Bible we have today, maybe a 5 % discrepancy - I'm good with that.
Cliffs is sooooo knowledgeable that’s God given wisdom and patience wow
That’s amazing
And sad to watch these kids be so blind and ignorant tsk tsk
Of which truth are this student ignorant and blind to? Be specific.
Does anyone answer these? I have for a long time had a question that puzzled me. In the Bible it speaks of Paradise and talks about the trees and the fruits it will grow for us to eat and it says the leaves we will use for medicine? I have always believed that in Heaven we will never have sorrow, death, sickness nor want for anything. Why would we need leaves for medicine if we will never be sick. I have never found the answer for that verse. Anyone have any thoughts?
I can provide you with an answer but it won't be Biblical, as I believe there are errors in Christianity, about God, God's laws, Jesus, the spirit world and so on.
If you want, you can read "The Padgett messages" by John Padgett and a book called "Through the Mists" by Robert James Lees. In them are contained far greater truths than what are in the Bible.
@kristijanpavlovic8605 for me, nothing is greater than the Bible and the teachings of Jesus. I will read them though. Thanks.
@@Jhubble515 No worries, all the best to you friend!
I actually agree that energy is a part of God. Yes all creation is a part of God. It’s not God, but it wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for God. He knows how many branches are on every tree throughout the entire cosmos. He knows everything, always at once. It’s his energy that keeps the universe going. Remember God created the natural order. The order of the cosmos is God. It’s not the whole entirety of God but it’s a part of his nature and creation. Christianity is God revealing to us his personal being and what he wants for us.
I just always assumed when God made the cosmos, the source material was from God himself.
Mark 9:23 And Jesus said to him, “‘If you can’! All things are possible for one who believes.”
SO BELOVED BELIEVE YOU DO GOD'S WILL AMEN. ALL EVIL DOERS DO NOT BELIEVE THEY CAN BE SAVED AMEN.
The girl believes in objective moral values and duties, but she doesn't like the implications of that fact, and so won't admit it to herself. Sound like anyone else we all know who has been trolling this channel for over a decade? ... 🤔🤫🤣
So much of twisted young people out there, also everywhere !
I want to follow God, so ive been watching these types of videos lately. Ive agreed with everything that cliff has said so far except for this ending. I dont believe that I am right and he is wrong, but I cant find any answers yo my question. The evils we see in history like adolf hitler and jewish discrimination are only evil to me because I learned from books and society said it was evil. But what If I grew up in nazi germany or germany won ww2 and conquered the world? Wouldnt I along with everyone else believe that Jewish are inferior to me? Just because i grew up in a society that told me that? I dont see how I would think its evil because society normalized it.
This is probably a very dumb question with a very simple answer, but id appreciate help in understanding it all
3:34 bro what? 😂 cliff answered right.
We need to turn God into a positive from a negative. God doesn’t get a mention because subconsciously we know we are inferior to God. And until we turn that into a positive it’s going to be a negative. Some achieve this by denying His existence. Others neglect to mention Him or outright reject Him. But this is the wrong way to go. Let’s be real. When we feel too unimportant to quote one who came back from the dead, fed the 5000, walked on water and turned water into wine, we’ve got a problem. And that problem is pride. God doesn’t need love. He’s not hanging out for love. Nor did He create mankind so He could get their worship. No. No way. He strongly suggests that we love Him with the first commandment so we can turn the negative into a positive. End of story.
Love isn't something you can demand. It can't be forced especially if it cost losing your friends or family.
@@joshuabarnes7552 There is no plan B. It’s either heaven or hell. Hell isn’t a threat. It’s a fact. It’s a place of destruction.
The redeemed are those that are full of grateful obedience to God-and without this 100% obedience they would be ill suited for heaven as new beings.
Hell isn’t God’s vendetta or vengeance. It’s the only place where souls can be destroyed as though they never existed. But prior to this destruction, punishment must be met out for sin.
Remember this. There will not be one soul in hell that doesn’t realise they could have forsaken those sins that sent them to that place. This includes luke warm Christians proclaiming that holiness is an impossibility.
And whilst God could have gotten these wayward souls to obey Him at the point of the sword, however the character change it would have effected, would be insufficient to harmonise with the new heavenly life to come.
Sin is rebelling against God, against His 10 great laws. All souls in hell, in order to get out of that place, would most certainly repent. But that would be at the point of the sword.
The fear of God and the fear of hell itself is a good goad for the believers to rule themselves so they can ensure they are treading the pathway of holiness.
The parable of the sower relates to born again Christians. Not all of them make it. Being born again isn’t an automatic ticket into everlasting life, unless it’s accompanied by 100% obedience to God.
We have to prove we are worthy. The scriptures are perfectly clear on this topic telling us we need to strive to get into everlasting life. And strive means try real hard, doesn’t it.
Luke 13:23-24 King James Version
And he said unto them, STRIVE to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
@@joshuabarnes7552 Family and friends who forsake us because of our love of the Saviour is initially a difficult cross to bear. We have to leave them to God and pray for them. Regrettably most of them will go to the grave this way. However we should never give up hope, hoping God will bring them to their senses. Our walk of humility with God is a witness to them. But by being separated from their company we are not stymied in our growth in Christ.
@@joshuabarnes7552 There is no plan B. It’s either heaven or hell. Hell isn’t a threat. It’s a fact. It’s a place of destruction.
The redeemed are those that are full of grateful obedience to God-and without this 100% obedience they would be ill suited for heaven as new beings.
Hell isn’t God’s vendetta or vengeance. It’s the only place where souls can be destroyed as though they never existed. But prior to this destruction, punishment must be met out for sin.
Remember this. There will not be one soul in hell that doesn’t realise they could have forsaken those sins that sent them to that place. This includes luke warm Christians proclaiming that holiness is an impossibility.
And whilst God could have gotten these wayward souls to obey Him at the point of the sword, however the character change it would have effected, would be insufficient to harmonise with the new heavenly life to come.
Sin is rebelling against God, against His 10 great laws. All souls in hell, in order to get out of that place, would most certainly repent. But that would be at the point of the sword.
The fear of God and the fear of hell itself is a good goad for the believers to rule themselves so they can ensure they are treading the pathway of holiness.
The parable of the sower relates to born again Christians. Not all of them make it. Being born again isn’t an automatic ticket into everlasting life, unless it’s accompanied by 100% obedience to God.
We have to prove we are worthy. The scriptures are perfectly clear on this topic telling us we need to strive to get into everlasting life. And strive means try real hard, doesn’t it.
Luke 13:23-24 King James Version
And he said unto them, STRIVE to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
God is 😊
Satan is 😈
Man is ½ both
HE IS ENERGY
YES!
Energy has a name
A face
A personality
A voice
And a POWER beyond anything of comprehension
HE IS EVERYTHING
HE IS EVERYWHERE
He is The Creator
I AM
He can’t be everything because if he was apart of Jeffery Dahmer killing people then that means God is apart of evil… as he said in the video.
God isn’t the CREATION but the CREATOR.
Holy Spirit yes, all other gods are unholy, unclean and bad energy.
To all my Atheist friends, if morality is all relative then what’s the point of having laws to protect people since according to moral relativism no one is wrong & no one is right?
Sadly, I've had that discussion literally probably over a 1000 times but you see, sadly, they're so blind to their own irrational thinking or illogical, thinking they don't realize the mistakes in their own thinking because they're so arrogant in their thinking, they only see what they see because they believe they. Are right
Happy to answer that ronwan, I don't know of any atheist who believes that "no one is wrong, no one is right", I can't ever recall any of the students saying to Cliffe, "I believe there is no right or wrong, it's all relative" ... but I *HAVE* seen Cliffe make that argument on behalf of atheists in hundreds of video's over the years. All of us are subject to rules set down by the society we live in, sometimes we get to overturn those rules if enough people stand up and fight for what they believe is right. I can give you lots of examples.
@@bonnie43uk You’ve been admitting to moral relativism this entire time. If there is no God, like you believe there isn’t, then that means there is no standard of morality which means it’s left to our own opinions. Translation: moral relativism
@@ronwan1408 Besides that, you've noticed he said right in his paragraphs. That number one he doesn't know of any atheists who believe interesting choice of words.
Furthermore, in another one of the sentences he used the word believe again. And in the structure or context of that sentence, it actually has to take a not sure of type believe. Kind of like having faith.
He also said that not any of them would really say who is right or wrong. But then he gave an example where a group of them would say what they believe is right. You can't have a both ways Kenny. What Tom has always tried to have a both ways.
@@ronwan1408 I am NOT a moral relativist who believes there is no right and wrong, you're telling me what I believe and getting it mightily wrong ronwan. I absolutely believe that we have moral rules in life, even our primate cousins have a moral code, did God imbue them with that? Or do you believe primates are wild animals that just do as they please, and have no moral code?
As ive said to you over and over, i question a lot of the morality in the Bible, who inspired the Bible? .. you believe it was God do you not?
I have a question, please take some minutes to read me :
The Sumerian tablets, which date from a time much earlier than most biblical texts, have been found to contain a number of biblical stories, such as Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, the story of Noah, and so forth. The Lord's Prayer, a main characteristic of Christianity, turned out to originate from the Egyptian people, just as many of Jesus's teachings in the Bible have been proven to be from different sources. The story of Jesus is also similar to that of Horus, an Egyptian god.
Additionally, the Council of Nicaea makes it clear that Christianity as we know it today was established by Emperor Constantine with the goal of bringing together people from various traditions, which explains many traditions from other peoples found in Christianity, such as Christmas symbolizing the birth of Jesus today. But most importantly, it aimed to colonize and soften other peoples and conquer them, which explains why Christianity, a symbol of love and brotherhood, was imposed on several peoples by force, and also why certain books such as the Book of Enoch and other apocryphal gospels were excluded. Indeed, the Bible does not provide the entirety of Jesus's teachings (for example, the idea that the Kingdom of Heaven is within us).
My question, therefore, is why being a Christian nowadays implies being ignorant of the history of the origins of biblical texts, ignorant of the complete history of Christianity (and the fact that a man imposed the belief that Jesus would be God), and blindly believing without ever really being able to prove that he was resurrected. Ignorant of the fact that Jesus might have been in Egypt and possibly India between the ages of 12 and 32 (which is not mentioned in the Bible). Only individual research by each person can enlighten them on the fact that my words are founded.
I am very confused and would like to better defend my belief in the face of the brutality of the truth hidden in history.
Thank you in advance for your enlightenment.🙏🏾🙏🏾
New comment thread. Please feel free to ask me any questions concerning my position of atheism.
This is a great opportunity for Christians to understand the position of atheism and to learn how to effectively evangelize to me and other atheists.
Myth of Neutrality is a psychological term claiming impossibility to be neutral; your previous claim, "Atheism is simply withholding such acknowledgment until sufficient credible evidence is introduced." is logically impossible, there is an assumption behind your claim from your worldview (view of the world) that convinces you to the contrary. Whats your foundation for rejecting God?
@robmc120 First, this quote is NOT a claim to truth. It is a fragment of how I define my position of atheism. Definitions are not claims to truth. Definitions simply convey meaning to how a particular term is used.
My _complete_ definition of atheism is the position of suspending any acknowledgment as to the reality of any particular god until sufficient credible evidence is presented.
Second, my position is NOT neutral. My position is to withhold any acknowledgment as to the truth of your claim that the god of Christianity is a reality until such time as I am presented credible evidence establishing its verity.
Third, I am not convinced as to the contrary. I am in fact, open and hoping to find credible evidence substantiating the verity of your claim.
That is a loaded question. I am not rejecting this 'God'. I am suspending any agreement as to the truth of your claim until you present credible evidence. Therefore, I can not provide such a foundation for a rejection I have not expressed.
What is your next question?
@@TheoSkeptomai "atheism is the position of suspending any acknowledgment as to the reality of any particular god until sufficient credible evidence is presented."
So youre agnostic (you dont know). Why is there something (reality/universe) rather than nothing?
@robmc120 Are you _asking_ me if I am agnostic or _informing_ me that I am?
@@TheoSkeptomaiis there something keeping you from answering the q?
Hola, hello beautiful world i would just believe in the Almighty God of the universe their is great and horrible that is why satan and the Almighty God if not alll would be great or it would alll be horrible . We sa human 's we don't talk about it is Supernatural it has happen in our home and in my life but we are not talking about it don't wait till it's to late God bless alll ❤️🌈❤️
what denomination are you? just curious
y u care? just curious......
@@robmc120 Because for example im not catholic, and im also not very strong in my faith so i dont really know how to distinguish the multiple different types of beliefs within christianity, so i want to know where the basis of his preaching is coming from
@@luke_morehouse068 i recommend Apologia Studios free account Bahnsen U who has hours of defending the faith or podcasts like Ligonier, WWUTT, Living Waters, etc to grow steadfast in faith. May the triune God bless you always brother!
@@luke_morehouse068 Study God's word, the truth (John 14:6), so you can spot a lie.
What god do we get morality from, the one in the bible?
23:14 not Russians, Polish People...., 23:45 not Natzi, Germans. And not only Jews - Poles, Gypsies and other as well.
Did he mentioned Kosovo after 6:00?
Yes he did
@@007Bokser I hope he thought it was sad that NATO, with the US as the main power, bombed from safe distance a country thousands of kilometers from its borders and forced Serbians to leave their centuries-old homes so that NATO could have military bases in the middle. of the Balkans with 10,000 soldiers... It would be much more appropriate for Cliff as a Christian to speak about the sins of his country, about the attitude of the American settlers towards the native Indians and African-American slaves. I had to notice that. I mostly agree with him on other things 😉
Morality necessitates God. If something is declared evil, it logically assumes good exists, necessitating moral law to differentiate good/evil, necessitating moral law giver (the triune God); there’s no meaningful morality from a godless worldview of an unguided, blind, pitiless, indifferent universe (R.Dawkins) born from chance/chaos/nothingness/unknown/stardust (C.Sagan) where a rock in the road is as valuable as a person, made from the same theoretical primordial material......
Morality does NOT necessitate any god. Morality is the cognitive process of differentiating between human intentions, decisions, and actions that are morally appropriate (ought to occur in a certain moral dilemma) from those inappropriate (ought not to occur).
Morality only necessitates the human capacity to evaluate.
@@TheoSkeptomai and that's all relative/arbitrary.
@Psycho-Complex Correct. Moral assessments are always and necessarily arbitrary and relative to the person forming the assessment. IOW, moral evaluation always and necessarily include the considerations of the subject evaluating the human behavior to determine if such behavior is moral, amoral, or immoral.
Like almost anything, it is a matter of definition. I suppose it's objective morality that necessitates God. And it does by definition, depending upon how the concept of "objective" is perceived.
@@shanewright4650agreed, using the most common definition, "external to the mind; actual or real"
People get triggered by cliffe because they can’t really argue with his logic, he isn’t saying “believe in Jesus or die!” He’s just explaining the truth and they can’t argue with the truth. Jesus was a real man it’s historical. I don’t see them arguing on the existence of people like aristotle not once but, when it comes to Jesus he must be fake! Ughhh it’s so annoying trying to understand people who don’t believe in God. Even when I was a Witch I believed in God like come on now😭
Forgive me God but it’s just so frustrating watching stuff like this.
Man i really hoped he'd bring up the point that people believed slavery was right in American society BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT. Just because society believes something is right DOESN'T MEAN IT IS RIGHT
The bible never stated you shouldn't have slaves. In fact it tells slaves to obey their masters including the harsh ones.
@@joshuabarnes7552 Okay that doesn't mean it condoned slavery. Telling people how to behave in certain situations doesn't mean God wants us in that situation. The bible never states that slavery is right
@warbxrdmusic It definitely didn't condemn it. It gave rules on how to get slaves and how to treat foreign slaves as opposed to israelites slaves. Explain Deuteronomy 20: 10-11. The bible definitely condoned and encouraged slavery. You Christians just have to accept it and accept that even Jesus told slaves to obey thier masters. Fall in line, don't resist abuse. Very unhealthy mindset for ppl being took advantage of. Might as well be a slave master writing this book.
@@joshuabarnes7552 Deuteronomy 20:10-11 talks about WARTIME. That was the way of the world then. The cities they conquered were of the wicked. What you need to acknowledge is that slavery existed BEFORE the bible and it still exists in some parts of the world today. So the bible never said to create slavery or condoned its use. It REGULATED slavery instead of outlawing it in Mosaic law. It never condoned the abuse of another human being
@warbxrdmusic So God is a war God. It was the way of the world because God facilitated that. The whole reason why there was war because god made ppl stop working together when he mixed up everyones languages after the tower of babel. Ppl scattered, then they competed over resources and territories and eventually warred. This was ultimately gods fault. The wicked cities were places that God was absent from. Let's not pretend that the Isralites were that much better where they forced women to be wives after they killed off their family and destroyed their homes. This was the best result God came up with if he wanted to save as many ppl as possible? God couldn't have done better? He choose to not reveal himself to those cities, so why on earth would he blame them? Even if slavery existed before the bible it's even more reason to abolish it and actually stand out from all other nations. You think god would've been ahead on this and impressed us. Why regulate it, if you can just abolish it instead? Again, it doesn't say that you shouldn't have slaves. You should know, having slaves is wrong period. Do you think it's hypocritical for God to bring the isralites out of slavery just to be able to enslaves others? Even if you were to say God regulated slavery don't you think that it was still fair to treat foreign slaves worse than domestic slaves? Yes, it's very clear there is biased against foreign slaves in the bible. Regardless if it was war time or not, you're justifying heinous acts like slavery and subjugation of women. Even we acknowledge war crimes. Because there's war do you think you can enslave ppl? Because you can use that as justification.
When you see these guys...RUN! Their pal Ethan Chandler ministry worker arrested for child sex crimes
On relative morality. Nobody, even if society allows, murders people and is unchanged. You do not remain a good happy person. Why are criminals considered ‘hardened’? What is ‘hardened’? If it’s all relative why isn’t their emotional response to their life choices the same as someone who does good and loves others?
The comment that if you grew up in a wife swap society you wouldn’t care, is insane. Sounds like someone who’s never had a relationship with anyone.
I love it when they steal from God. To prove that society created Moral Behavior.. As the very Laws of Behavior was first passed down to us by God. They are even carved in Stone in the highest Court in America. I will tell you why they do it. As they know without the laws of God. All is permissible. Once they make that assertion.
Is this recent it looks old
1998
God is not a force like electricity. Electricity has no love or will
Moral relativism.
Morality is relative.
Japanese camps in ww2
What I find dishonest about most of these people, is that they won’t accept the history of Jesus even existing, but they accept the history of Julius Caesar without question. I don’t even agree with them and I want to help them argue better points 😂
Why should anyone accept stories of Jesus healing ppl and walking on water?
@@joshuabarnes7552because there were 500 eye witnesses who saw Jesus after his death and burial some of these are 40 days afterwards
kid thinks that people only get upset when your stuff is stolen from you because society teaches us to not like that.... think if you go to the amazon rainforest and steal their stuff they won't be upset at you? because stealing is a social construct? even my dog gets upset if I take his food away from him. Really rotten what is going on in the universities today that they honestly believe this stuff
Either you are driven/filled by the Holy Spirit of Jesus serving Him, or you are driven full of yourself, by your unsaved fallen nature and serving Satan! ✝
Cliff is too emotional here and had to get off his high horse for a bit
You need to faith to do science and history.
Not really
@@justingary5322 How do you know if gravity is same strength on a planet a billion light years away as it is on earth? No way to reach that planet to check. By faith you believe it is.
That guy finding rape
Funny is creepy
this old cliffe video is fascinating...he seems to strawman more and doesnt have great answers
How so 🤔😕😑🤣?
Sorry you're actually backwards in the older videos. He's more direct, sometimes even reads directly the scriptures out of the Bible and answers from the Bible. And he's less philosophical at times it's the newer videos as he's older and he does it with a sun that he's unfortunately kind of straw Manning or doing other things as you say.
Your god is the best god, in fact he's the only god. All the others are ridiculous made up rubbish. Not yours though, yours is real.
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I am an atheist. I define atheism as suspending any acknowledgment as to the reality of any particular god until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. My position is that *_I have no good reason to acknowledge the reality of any god._*
And here is why I currently hold to such a position. Below are 10 facts I must consider when evaluating the claim made by certain theists that some god exists in reality. To be clear, these are not premises for any argument concluding there to be no gods. These are simply facts I must take into account when evaluating such a claim.
1. I personally have never observed a god.
2. I have never encountered any person who has claimed to have observed a god.
3. I know of no accounts of persons claiming to have observed a god that were willing or able to demonstrate or verify their observation for authenticity, accuracy, or validity.
4. I have never been presented a valid logical argument that also employed sound premises that lead deductively to a conclusion that a god(s) exists in reality.
5. Of the many logical syllogisms I have encountered arguing for the reality of a god(s), I have found all to contain either logical fallacies or false or unsubstantiated premises.
6. I have never observed a phenomenon in which the existence of a god was a necessary antecedent for the known or probable explanation for the causation of that phenomenon.
7. Several proposed (and generally accepted) explanations for observable phenomena that were previously based on the agency of a god(s), have subsequently been replaced with rational, natural explanations, each substantiated with evidence that excluded the agency of a god(s). I have never encountered _vice versa._
8. I have never experienced the presence of a god through intercession of angels, divine revelation, the miraculous act of divinity, or any occurrence of a supernatural event.
9. Every phenomenon that I have ever observed has *_emerged_* from necessary and sufficient antecedents over time without exception. In other words, I have never observed a phenomenon (entity, process, object, event, process, substance, system, or being) that was created _ex nihilo_ - that is instantaneously came into existence by the solitary volition of a deity.
10. All claims of a supernatural or divine nature that I have encountered have either been refuted to my satisfaction or do not present as falsifiable.
ALL of these facts lead me to the only rational conclusion that concurs with the realities I have been presented - and that is the fact that there is *_no good reason_* for me to acknowledge the reality of any god.
I have heard often that atheism is the denial of the Abrahamic god. But denial is the active rejection of a substantiated fact once credible evidence has been presented. Atheism is simply withholding such acknowledgment until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. *_It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstantiated claims, especially extraordinary ones._*
I welcome any cordial response. Peace.
Every design comes from a creator. Every event has a cause. The universe is not eternal. It started 14 billion years ago. God is an eternal being. He does not have a beginning or an end. He created the universe. For nothing else could have. The universe is also unimaginably complex. This was no accident
@TheoSkeptomai
For no. 2, come get to know me. I didn't merely "observe" him, he was flat-out in my face.
As for the rest, there are plenty of powerful pieces of scientific, philosophical and historical evidence for God's existence -- and rejecting them in advance by mere assertion without giving examples makes a conversation about them difficult, cordial or not.
But I'm willing to try if you are...
Hello, I have been, with this entity, the God energy. I know the truth, and I had a phenomena happen to me. I am him, the one the world has been waiting for. I understand the need for proof, NOAH, Now Our Answer is Here!
@ace_buried101 Thanks for responding. Are you willing to answer some straightforward questions concerning your comment?
@davidplummer2473 So, you HAVE _directly observed_ this 'God'?
Sooooo funny how Cliffe has to explain to these ignorant bigots like a child just for them to understand
Smh
How did you determine all of these students to be "ignorant bigots"? Explain what exactly they are ignorant of and what behavior or comments of their's displayed bigotry.