Thanks for a more in-depth review. One thing I noticed, however, was a villain needs to defeat ALL of the Heroes to win, not just any single Hero as stated.
How about if you're playing the villain against other players, if you're playing 1v1 obviously last player standing wins. If you defeat one hero, but the other player beats you in a 3 player game = draw. Beat 2 of 3 of the hero players in a 4 player game, that would be a win for villain obviously. I really like the idea of this 1 vs. many play potential. I wonder how well it would support this?
It doesn't support this at all. Nobody plays the villain. The villain is an automated deck that is not controlled by anyone. It just automatically attacks everyone and deals them cards at random that represent the things it's doing. Players are always heroes and only ever heroes, working together to defeat the villain.
Funny enough the lack of story and narrative was a big plus for me. I love games like the Arkham Horror LCG, but it doesn't feel like a card game. It feels like a board game with cards instead of a board. Arkham can take a long time to set up, feel bloated with special mechanics and big blocks of text. Marvel Champions actually feels like a card game, where turns are fast and concise and you're firing off card combos, setting up future combos, or deciding to take one for the team to get rid of threat or a particularly nasty minion. Very fun game, I still have a ton of content I haven't played in the box and I already can't wait for even more content and options.
FYI, they were asked if there were any characters that they weren't allowed to use in one of the preview streams, and they said No, they can use whoever, so It's almost guaranteed that the X-Men will be introduced sooner or later
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Yeah they specifically said they are trying something new, so a single core set has at least a full playset of every single card. No more needing to buy 3 core sets just to get full deck building options.
I would say it certainly has some Sentinels DNA in there although for me this will be replacing it... mostly because there are less dead turns and less of the villain tearing down everyone's ongoing cards at once.
@@lugaruclone Ive seen this said elsewhere. I understand that some turns are just draw 2 if you have nothing else to play at times in SotM but I find it so thematic when the villain wipes your board. The game would often be too easy without that and yeah it drags the game out longer but I personally love the thematic feel of coming back from the brink to take the villain down after they had a huge bomb hit our boards.
This game is profoundly easier than Sentinels, so I can see why some people would prefer it. It's basically a hybrid of legendary and sentinels, with the abstract mission mechanics of lotr lcg. It's a good game, but I would never replace sentinels; sotm has way more interesting (and challenging) deck mechanics than this game, even with the so-called deck building aspect.
For anyone that needs it, Iron Man is best with the protection aspect from my experience. I play mainly solo, and Iron Man is undefeated against every villain that I own so far.
I'm waiting for my copy. I read the manual yesterday, and it really seems like a good game with huge potenial. The announced packs also look really nice and I wonder what mechanics will they come up with in the future (Moon Knight having 3 identities at the same time?).
Drastically different games. Outside the theme and the fact that the game is basically cards, they have nothing in common. I'd suggest watching a playthrough on UA-cam. There are plenty out there.
This isn't a deck builder. You build a deck before the game starts, but then you keep it for the whole game. So it doesn't have that progression of your deck getting better with deckbuilders, but it does mean the decks are more unique.
I would like to know how this compares to Sentinels of the Multiverse as well. Less set up and customization in SotM but that's also a little quicker probably?
Well so far between Variants of heroes and the numerous decks available (counting environments) I think SotM has a lot more customization at this point. Yeah deckbuilding being available probably will give Champions the edge once more things come out for it, yet with deckbuilding games a downside I find is that some cards will never be used or played, whereas with Sentinels you get your deck so you will be seeing everything by some point, nothing will be left to never be used. Also with premade decks, they can have some really OP cards and other mediocre and still keep the deck fairly balanced.
I think most gamers would rather hear your thoughts comparing this to Sentinels of the Multiverse, since they compare closer in gameplay. Legendary Marvel is somewhat similar, but the gameplay is more about deckbuilding than pre-made decks.
Legendary Marvel is my favorite solo board game, I have all but one or two expansions and I’ve played it solo more times than I can remember. I really like deck building as a mechanic so Legendary scratches that itch. I’m less excited about actually creating decks for collectible card games, the deck creation is what turned me off of the Arkham Horror Card Game. However I do like the idea of the multi-part scenarios and fairly intricate villain decks, and some of my friends don’t like deck builders so this game might be a better fit for them. Guess I’ll have to check it out once i see it in the store and if the price isn’t too high give it a whirl.
This plays a lot like the arkham card game, but the setup is easier and deck construction is simpler. The gameplay is also less finicky and easier because you don't have different locations. Just played a few games and I think this will replace arkham for me for these reasons.
I like to sort my collection into a folder by card cost and treat the deck building as a sort of “shopping” phase that happens before the game. It is pretty clear which cards interact with what and as these games are typically solo or cooperative there is no pressure to make a high performing meta deck.
Since my original post I bought the game as a gift for my brother and nephew and played it with them. I still like Legendary Marvel better so I won't be buying myself a copy but Champions is a decent game. :)
I love Arkham Horror LCG but I’m not sure about this one. Maybe because I also have Sentinel of Multiverses and Legendary. This does not seem to add anything new to the table. I just cannot get excited about it.
I understand some people are very busy and have a lot of priorities, this isn't directed at those people. I just want to know why so many gamers want to blow through games fast? I watch a lot of review videos, people always say the max amount of players is not fun because it's too long. Do you always have to be shuffling cards or making moves to enjoy the game? down time can be a lot of fun too, especially if it's a co op game imo.
Good review. Game looks cool. I’d be interested in it if it were literally any other theme except superheroes. Hopefully they take the mechanisms and apply it to another theme some day.
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just played both and Champions felt easier to explain and play. VERY FLUID. but since its new not that many heroes but will soon change. i actually like champions better because of how easier it is for people to get playing and not feel overwhelmed like in LEGENDARY.
But I already have and play LotR:LCG and AH:LCG! (And some of Legendary) I don't have the space or money for another one! Actually, Arkham Horror in particular spoiled me on story and so I don't know if I'll actually get into Champions unless they start releasing campaign expansions. If I can relive my favorite comic book storylines, then I'm definitely in.
A lot more streamlined than Sentinels, less fiddly and more interesting. Plus you can customize the hero AND villain decks to change things up - with Sentinels, you're not supposed to do that, nothing is customizable. That throws a WHOLE new spin on it, making this a FAR superior game.
Surprised with how strong the reviews have been elsewhere (Rahdo, Drive Thru, One Stop Coop Shop, Gameboy Geek) that Dice Tower reviews of it have been just seal of approvals.
Sam Jackson my guess is that some of this was rushed before they headed out to Essen. I’m willing to bet when Tom gets more plays in on this he’ll love it.
RadeTcg Rahdo covered it during his games of the month segment. I believe it was oct but could have been sept. It was clear he thought it was fantastic.
Legendary is a great game that I love playing solo. This looks really interesting, but I'm completely heart broken that Captain America and Thor were not in the base box of the game. That just seemed like a no brainer. I'm glad that Captain America will be coming out, but Thor better be on the horizon soon or else!
Oh ye of limited wallet. Of course he's coming out, and you might as well believe there's a pack/multi-pack for Beta Ray Bill, Jane Foster, Frog Thor, Malekith, Hela, Loki, etc). Just you wait. And wait.... AND WAIT.
Yeah, kind of seems like a lot of DLC released for video games. A lot of the DLC released for video games post facto ends up being stuff that should have been in the core game in the first place. Captain America is without question a flagship, Hallmark character in the Marvel Universe, and it's completely inexcusable he's not even included in the base game. Just another way to make more money off of you later, especially those with "collectionist" mindsets. Thor should have been in there as well. Sounds like a good, solid, we'll built game, but the complete lackluster variety of starting Heroes is a big negative for me.
I have played this and Sentinels, and this doesn't really play like Sentinels, even if the skin of it looks very similar. It feels quite a bit more like the LotR LCG, in-play. Actually, to explain this game to someone who has played both games you could describe this game as "Take LotR LCG and make it looks like Sentinels".
@@RabidHobbit I see what you are saying, LotR and Champions have very similar mechanics, yet the feeling of super heroes cooperating to take down a villain is hard to not compare to Sentinels. I think you described it pretty well.
Just got my preorder yesterday, what a fail on the lack of dividers! Love Legendary! But Legendary is a competitive cooperative game. From what I read in the Learn to Play, Champions is strictly cooperative.
and they havent even started to make the vilians playable yet XD this will go on for some years. i really hope they will add a lot of story. otherwise people will stop with it very quickly.
There are negative status that make you skip your next action of a particular type, but they don't stack, so you can't get locked out. I haven't seen anything that stops you switching or gaining tech. There's cards that blow up a piece of tech but not all of it.
Most probably, seeing as things like the green goblin expansion JUST contain the villain and those extra customizable bits. Kind of hard to play the game without any heroes...
Yes as there are core set villian cards (villian neutrals essentially) you will be adding to a villians packs specific pile to properly build the villian deck fully
@@rockxhero You need the base game for the aspects: Justice, Protection, Aggression, Leadership. Plus all the extra cards to build a deck. The Hero cards only make up about 80 cards out of the whole box.
I was thinking about buying this but Klaw, Rhino and Ultron as the base set??? Yuck. The hero selection is very meh as well. Nasty way to get your people to buy your expansions
It's a bit of a compromise. About a third of each hero deck is set - so they have unique cards and feel like in Sentinels. But the other two thirds is variable so there's more deck building (but that almost means more similarity between heroes). It's also less counting than Sentinels.
as soon as I saw how mechanical the game played (much like LOTR) I was basically out. I was hoping for some light story telling and more thematic superhero stuff and this might as well be Sentinels of the Multiverse. A missed opportunity to make it a super hero companion to Arkham Horror LCG and a no bueno from me.
I'm fine with this being more scenarios based. I love Arkham LCG but because of their business model I didn't feel like buying 2 sets to play with 3 or 4. This let's me play with 4 people right away and I can play whatever scenario and not worry about a narrative. So I'm excited to hopefully get this under the tree this year or my birthday next year.
@@codydavis3100 my problem is games like this bore me to tears. when i played lotr for the first time with a friend i felt like i was about to fall asleep. I shouldnt feel like that with Marvel Champions, but when i saw it being played it looked like the same mechanical stuff with no big fluff or enticing concept put in it, something that AH LCG does quite well. So in my head this should have been made more in that vein than as a replacement to LOTR.
lordxmugen In my opinion the story element of Arkham made it a much more 1 and done experience for me. Once I saw a scenario play out I had little interest in going through that story again which basically made the expansions essential in order to keep the game fresh. I much prefer what Champions is doing plus they’ll have campaign stuff down the road for people who want it.
I don’t care what FFG release anymore I avoid them like the plague. Can’t justify spending another $300-$400 on one game as I’ve done with other LCG’s. I have Legendary that’ll do me.
Some Random Dude not mad. I bought the expansions nobody made me do it. I just got to a point where I thought “I’m done”. I’d rather just buy games from other publishers where I know I’m getting the game in one purchase and that’s it, not spending $100’s later on expansions. It’s just too much.
LOTR LCG is in my top 10, but I completely agree with you. in LCG format, I understand the need for expansions, but FFG is notorious for "skimping" on the base game to charge more for it later. I love expansions to games, especially when they IMPROVE a game, not when they become NECESSARY to enjoy a game. I mainly buy my FFG games pre-owned these days
$300 - $400 on a game is too much? That's funny. I've had MTG and Pokemon CCG competitive decks worth more than that. FOR ONE DECK! LOL. It's a hobby product. Of course it costs money.
Still wish they would have focused on a 1 vs. many asymmetrical play with one player playing the villain. I suppose you can still do that and I wonder if the 3 different difficulty levels are somewhat indicative of playing against 1, 2, or 3 different heroes?
It's a LCG from fantasy flight all are made to be money sinks, other games from them are arkham horror lcg where you need 2 copies or expansions to play to more than 2 players(even though it sais 1-4 players on the box) and legend of the 5 rings and game of thrones only come with a copy of every card in an atempt to sell you the game 3 times since you can have every card 3 times
@@Ironhawx ya it's a problem with the lcg model and other FFlight expansion driven games. A while back I worked at a medium to big boardgame retailer in and dealing with the LCG packs for netrunner and star wars was always a pain and so was x-wing and imperial assualt. Both SW and ANR are dead and x-wing had V2.0. The store got stuck with all that unwanted product. I don't know though, I was just a warehouse employee. Maybe these products encourage other sales and it could be that margins are good enough that it justifies the dead product left behind. Just brainstorming though.
My FLGS will only order FFG LCGs if someone starts a "subscription" for them (as I have done for this as the theme is more interesting than the others, and I don't have Legendary Marvel).
Can someone explain to me why this is priced so high? I see it for sale in the 55 - 70 euro range. Where i feel like it should be more in the 35-40 range looking at what is in the box. Is this a Living card game thing or something?
I see, although the game doesn't release until the 1st of November so outside of people who tried it at a con for a bit reviewers are the only ones with a decent amount of experience with it, so you might have to wait a while for a critical mass of informed and reliable player impressions... Edit: also as they say it's tricky to judge two games with wildly different amounts of expansions (for now) as variety and depth of deck building do matter quite a bit. That said I'm sure you can compare to an extent
@@ccggenius I want to know which one is better as a basic game. After seing legendary, it seems that this one is almost a copy paste. Both deck builders, both with Marvel caracteres and battling vilains, both coop but plays great as solo. So why would someone buy this one if he has legendary (and vice versa)?
What a Fantasy Flight game that is basically a copy of one of their older games with a diff skin? Say it ain't so. Their entire business model has been rehashing the same few games over and over.
Tom! Don't forget to compare this game to Sentinels of the Multiverse as well! You know it deserves a place at the table during the comparison video. 👍
I got hit by the toxic gamer base before the game even hit shelves. I was on the fence about the game, asking questions through the FFG forums about how many players are truly supported by one copy of the game, which would help me decide whether or not to buy it, and the die-hards lashed out at me over and over again, pummeling me with the same stupid arguments over and over again because I didn't 100% agree with them. (Seriously, a moderator had to step in and shut down the thread.) So I don't ever want this game anywhere near me.
This seems needlessly complex... and generic at the same time. Generally, for deck building games, either building the deck is part of the game (think draft games), or the rules are simple (MTG: 60 or more cards, up to 4 of each... except basic lands.). Beyond that, this seems both stingy with characters, and wasteful. Stingy as you get 3 villains (and Rhino is the Spiderman one?) vs 5 heroes, and wasteful as you get named characters who are part of both villain and hero's deck. Like, I can understand wanting to be able to "recruit" other characters (though perhaps not in a 2+ character game?), but I'd also like freedom to do so. Why can't Klaw use the Rhino as his henchman, for example? I like the "secret identity" thing. I'm not sure I like shuffling the hero's problem(s) into the villain deck... this seems like there should be a couple of problems for each character, and you draw randomly each game. Finally, I'm not a fan of the "costs" tabs. WOTC's Transformers does something similar, and it just seems... arbitrary. In mtg, a swamp taps for 1 Black mana. But here? One of my cards can be discarded to pay for 1 or 2 of a cost on another one of my cards? Why? The cost should be tied to the flavor of the card, and at least from what I see here, it's not. Also, the cost is unrelated to the effect of the card, creating memory issues. "Oh, this card is bad... but i can discard it for two green things, so it's good?"
I mean deckbuilding here IS far simpler than in MTG as you get pre-made sets that you can mix and match in a very straightforward manner to build different decks which will all work to a decent extent. But yeah it might not just be your thing, in that case fair enough
@@mella4376 I'd argue MTG is simpler - You're free to do what you want. Here, it seems they're making you take certain roles (aggressive, leader, etc.), and have certain cards associated with characters. Admittedly, someone unfamiliar with a mtg format might find deck construction daunting ("Where do I begin?"); but if you're going for kitchen table (casual), it's easy enough - look at all your [color] cards, and choose the ones you want to put them in a [color] deck. Of course, if you're going for competitive it might be a problem. MTG just announced (ANOTHER!) new format, and my playgroup seems interested. But WOTC hasn't updated gatherer, so it's a bit daunting to metagame for a new format where I'm unfamiliar with the majority of cards. Still, even for competitive constructed; I'm free to experiment and explore.
William Simkulet I mean here all you have to do is shuffle one of the colored piles together with your signature cards, and add a handful of neutrals as instructed. In MTG either you buy a pre-made deck or you have just a vast ocean of cards, no idea what your land distribution should be, and no idea how to prioritize any card over any other. If your only criterion is get what looks cool, you can do it here too, if you are meant to think about it (assuming you have a larger Marvel collection than just the core), MTG having basically no rules means deckbuilding is much much harder than something a bit more on rails.
Nah. You can still find everything for LoTR LCG. I started collecting about a year and a half ago and I have found every deluxe expansion and the older cycle blocks.
@@GeorgiosD90 MSRP. I got all of it from my LGS. None of it is out of print you can still order every set. Some of them just take a while to ship as they get reprinted.
@@MikeGrimsey so you went to the store one day and found the complete product list and purchased as much as you could and then you went a few more times later and bought the rest including the nightmare decks, is that right? Can you tell us how much you spent for everything?
@@GeorgiosD90 the complete product list can be found on ringsdb.com or on FFGs website. I dont bother with the nightmare decks, although my LCG has around 100 sitting in stock with a thick layer of dust on them (literally). No I cant tell you off the top of my head exactly how much I have spent as I dont keep track, but an educated guess is around $700 CAD going by what sets I have and converting the MSRP on FFGs website to CAD for everything I have so far.
Another FFG game with endless expansions. Guess there will be special new rules with each expansion too. But only cards, counters and tokens so far. Won't buy.
No component drop must mean this is Roy's copy.
Thanks for a more in-depth review. One thing I noticed, however, was a villain needs to defeat ALL of the Heroes to win, not just any single Hero as stated.
How about if you're playing the villain against other players, if you're playing 1v1 obviously last player standing wins. If you defeat one hero, but the other player beats you in a 3 player game = draw. Beat 2 of 3 of the hero players in a 4 player game, that would be a win for villain obviously. I really like the idea of this 1 vs. many play potential. I wonder how well it would support this?
It doesn't support this at all. Nobody plays the villain. The villain is an automated deck that is not controlled by anyone. It just automatically attacks everyone and deals them cards at random that represent the things it's doing. Players are always heroes and only ever heroes, working together to defeat the villain.
I enjoy the onscreen chemistry/synergy between Tom and Roy.
Great interaction between Roy and Tom. I loved how you played off each other. Great review.
I disagree, felt more scripted than usual...
Funny enough the lack of story and narrative was a big plus for me. I love games like the Arkham Horror LCG, but it doesn't feel like a card game. It feels like a board game with cards instead of a board. Arkham can take a long time to set up, feel bloated with special mechanics and big blocks of text.
Marvel Champions actually feels like a card game, where turns are fast and concise and you're firing off card combos, setting up future combos, or deciding to take one for the team to get rid of threat or a particularly nasty minion.
Very fun game, I still have a ton of content I haven't played in the box and I already can't wait for even more content and options.
FYI, they were asked if there were any characters that they weren't allowed to use in one of the preview streams, and they said No, they can use whoever, so It's almost guaranteed that the X-Men will be introduced sooner or later
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You have everything you need to play with 4 characters with the base game? You sure this is from fantasy flight?
Yeah they specifically said they are trying something new, so a single core set has at least a full playset of every single card. No more needing to buy 3 core sets just to get full deck building options.
I love Roy getting more involved in screen! Great review guys!
Can't wait until this game turns up, seems tailor made for me.
I think the closer comparison from a gameplay perspective is Sentinels of the Multiverse, than Legendary, from what I've seen. Do you plan to do that?
think more arkham lcg or LOTRO
I would say it certainly has some Sentinels DNA in there although for me this will be replacing it... mostly because there are less dead turns and less of the villain tearing down everyone's ongoing cards at once.
@@lugaruclone Ive seen this said elsewhere. I understand that some turns are just draw 2 if you have nothing else to play at times in SotM but I find it so thematic when the villain wipes your board. The game would often be too easy without that and yeah it drags the game out longer but I personally love the thematic feel of coming back from the brink to take the villain down after they had a huge bomb hit our boards.
This game is profoundly easier than Sentinels, so I can see why some people would prefer it. It's basically a hybrid of legendary and sentinels, with the abstract mission mechanics of lotr lcg. It's a good game, but I would never replace sentinels; sotm has way more interesting (and challenging) deck mechanics than this game, even with the so-called deck building aspect.
@@SuperDoggy99 the main difference being Marvel heroes are awesome, and Sentinels are just crappy, gameplay aside.
For anyone that needs it, Iron Man is best with the protection aspect from my experience. I play mainly solo, and Iron Man is undefeated against every villain that I own so far.
Ill buy if they release a set based on 90s xmen.
I'm waiting for my copy. I read the manual yesterday, and it really seems like a good game with huge potenial. The announced packs also look really nice and I wonder what mechanics will they come up with in the future (Moon Knight having 3 identities at the same time?).
How would you compare this to Sentinels of the Multiverse? I have yet to play a superhero game that is more thematic than SotM.
Yes, please. Do the comparison with Legendary. I love Legendary and it makes me take a step back towards buying this one.
Drastically different games. Outside the theme and the fact that the game is basically cards, they have nothing in common. I'd suggest watching a playthrough on UA-cam. There are plenty out there.
This isn't a deck builder. You build a deck before the game starts, but then you keep it for the whole game. So it doesn't have that progression of your deck getting better with deckbuilders, but it does mean the decks are more unique.
I would like to know how this compares to Sentinels of the Multiverse as well. Less set up and customization in SotM but that's also a little quicker probably?
Well so far between Variants of heroes and the numerous decks available (counting environments) I think SotM has a lot more customization at this point. Yeah deckbuilding being available probably will give Champions the edge once more things come out for it, yet with deckbuilding games a downside I find is that some cards will never be used or played, whereas with Sentinels you get your deck so you will be seeing everything by some point, nothing will be left to never be used. Also with premade decks, they can have some really OP cards and other mediocre and still keep the deck fairly balanced.
I think most gamers would rather hear your thoughts comparing this to Sentinels of the Multiverse, since they compare closer in gameplay. Legendary Marvel is somewhat similar, but the gameplay is more about deckbuilding than pre-made decks.
I'd rather see a comparison to Legendary since they compete for the crown of cooperative marvel card game
Nope! I want the comparison with Legendary... but then again I’m not heavily invested in Sentinels. 😬😅
I like Roy. He's a welcomed addition. also, This game is sweet! I got my copy on Friday!
Legendary Marvel is my favorite solo board game, I have all but one or two expansions and I’ve played it solo more times than I can remember. I really like deck building as a mechanic so Legendary scratches that itch. I’m less excited about actually creating decks for collectible card games, the deck creation is what turned me off of the Arkham Horror Card Game. However I do like the idea of the multi-part scenarios and fairly intricate villain decks, and some of my friends don’t like deck builders so this game might be a better fit for them.
Guess I’ll have to check it out once i see it in the store and if the price isn’t too high give it a whirl.
This plays a lot like the arkham card game, but the setup is easier and deck construction is simpler. The gameplay is also less finicky and easier because you don't have different locations. Just played a few games and I think this will replace arkham for me for these reasons.
I like to sort my collection into a folder by card cost and treat the deck building as a sort of “shopping” phase that happens before the game. It is pretty clear which cards interact with what and as these games are typically solo or cooperative there is no pressure to make a high performing meta deck.
Since my original post I bought the game as a gift for my brother and nephew and played it with them. I still like Legendary Marvel better so I won't be buying myself a copy but Champions is a decent game. :)
Awesome shirt, Roy!!
I love Arkham Horror LCG but I’m not sure about this one. Maybe because I also have Sentinel of Multiverses and Legendary. This does not seem to add anything new to the table. I just cannot get excited about it.
I understand some people are very busy and have a lot of priorities, this isn't directed at those people. I just want to know why so many gamers want to blow through games fast? I watch a lot of review videos, people always say the max amount of players is not fun because it's too long. Do you always have to be shuffling cards or making moves to enjoy the game? down time can be a lot of fun too, especially if it's a co op game imo.
Yeah, the whole "knock a game of it out quick to get to the next game of it" argument seems odd, to say the least.
@@TwoLegumes Yeah I just don't get it. It happens with video games too, lots of players just want to collect achievements and trophies... smh.
I agree 100%. Now it's happening with baseball, too.
Good review. Game looks cool. I’d be interested in it if it were literally any other theme except superheroes. Hopefully they take the mechanisms and apply it to another theme some day.
The Dungeon Dive you might check out the somewhat similar games „Arkham Horror LCG“or „Lord of the Rings LCG“
Of course you like the art, it is taken straight out of the comics, e.g. Invincible Iron man 1 by Bendis-Marquez... :)
I'm a huge fan of this game and I would really like to see an official online game release. Im gonna spend so much money on it
Tabletop Simulator has an INCREDIBLE mod for it, all scripted and such. Check it out! It's what I used to play about 15 games before I got the physical box
I need to see the comparison to Legendary
just played both and Champions felt easier to explain and play. VERY FLUID. but since its new not that many heroes but will soon change. i actually like champions better because of how easier it is for people to get playing and not feel overwhelmed like in LEGENDARY.
But I already have and play LotR:LCG and AH:LCG! (And some of Legendary) I don't have the space or money for another one! Actually, Arkham Horror in particular spoiled me on story and so I don't know if I'll actually get into Champions unless they start releasing campaign expansions. If I can relive my favorite comic book storylines, then I'm definitely in.
Campaign expansions are confirmed to be a third type of add on for the game
@@volken62 My poor wallet. I weep for its fate.
This is basically sentinels of the multiverse with a marvel reskin. I love marvel and sentinels so I have always wanted to get it.
A lot more streamlined than Sentinels, less fiddly and more interesting. Plus you can customize the hero AND villain decks to change things up - with Sentinels, you're not supposed to do that, nothing is customizable. That throws a WHOLE new spin on it, making this a FAR superior game.
Surprised with how strong the reviews have been elsewhere (Rahdo, Drive Thru, One Stop Coop Shop, Gameboy Geek) that Dice Tower reviews of it have been just seal of approvals.
Sam Jackson my guess is that some of this was rushed before they headed out to Essen. I’m willing to bet when Tom gets more plays in on this he’ll love it.
rahdo hasnt done a run through of this, has he?
RadeTcg Rahdo covered it during his games of the month segment. I believe it was oct but could have been sept. It was clear he thought it was fantastic.
Legendary is a great game that I love playing solo. This looks really interesting, but I'm completely heart broken that Captain America and Thor were not in the base box of the game. That just seemed like a no brainer. I'm glad that Captain America will be coming out, but Thor better be on the horizon soon or else!
Oh ye of limited wallet. Of course he's coming out, and you might as well believe there's a pack/multi-pack for Beta Ray Bill, Jane Foster, Frog Thor, Malekith, Hela, Loki, etc). Just you wait. And wait.... AND WAIT.
Yeah, kind of seems like a lot of DLC released for video games. A lot of the DLC released for video games post facto ends up being stuff that should have been in the core game in the first place. Captain America is without question a flagship, Hallmark character in the Marvel Universe, and it's completely inexcusable he's not even included in the base game. Just another way to make more money off of you later, especially those with "collectionist" mindsets. Thor should have been in there as well. Sounds like a good, solid, we'll built game, but the complete lackluster variety of starting Heroes is a big negative for me.
Thor is looking to come out in March
@@suavecollects49 I know, I'm super excited.
I disagree, this looks more like Sentinels of the Multiverse than Arkham Horror LCG (haven't played LotR LCG so I don't know about that).
I have played this and Sentinels, and this doesn't really play like Sentinels, even if the skin of it looks very similar. It feels quite a bit more like the LotR LCG, in-play. Actually, to explain this game to someone who has played both games you could describe this game as "Take LotR LCG and make it looks like Sentinels".
@@RabidHobbit I see what you are saying, LotR and Champions have very similar mechanics, yet the feeling of super heroes cooperating to take down a villain is hard to not compare to Sentinels. I think you described it pretty well.
Just got my preorder yesterday, what a fail on the lack of dividers! Love Legendary! But Legendary is a competitive cooperative game. From what I read in the Learn to Play, Champions is strictly cooperative.
Maybe the dividers come with the expansion packs. 😉
@@commandercaptain4664 Highly doubtful. Best case scenario I can think is they give you the priveledge to buy them separately at inflated prices.
and they havent even started to make the vilians playable yet XD this will go on for some years. i really hope they will add a lot of story. otherwise people will stop with it very quickly.
henswi89 They won’t be playable; the villains are pretty much the AI of the board game
How about a comparison to Sentinels of the Multiverse? Seems similar to that
Are there "hindrances" to prevent heroes from doing anything (gaining tech, switching to alteregos, limiting attack/defense, etc)?
There are negative status that make you skip your next action of a particular type, but they don't stack, so you can't get locked out. I haven't seen anything that stops you switching or gaining tech. There's cards that blow up a piece of tech but not all of it.
"I'll just be rubber banding my cards like always."...
And you call yourself a professional!
The audacity!!!
How different is this game to Sentinels of the Multiverse?
I'm kind of waiting for an X-Men release.
Will all expansions require this base game box to work most likely?
Most probably, seeing as things like the green goblin expansion JUST contain the villain and those extra customizable bits. Kind of hard to play the game without any heroes...
Yes as there are core set villian cards (villian neutrals essentially) you will be adding to a villians packs specific pile to properly build the villian deck fully
@@ccggenius I just don''t care much for most of the characters picked for the base game! smh
@@rockxhero You need the base game for the aspects: Justice, Protection, Aggression, Leadership. Plus all the extra cards to build a deck. The Hero cards only make up about 80 cards out of the whole box.
youre probably going to be waiting a LONG time, since Di$ney doesnt consider Xmen and F4 to be Marvel anymore
I was thinking about buying this but Klaw, Rhino and Ultron as the base set??? Yuck. The hero selection is very meh as well. Nasty way to get your people to buy your expansions
I'm sensing a Sentinels of the Multiverse-vibe with a Twist here, ayt! To the cart.
It's a bit of a compromise. About a third of each hero deck is set - so they have unique cards and feel like in Sentinels. But the other two thirds is variable so there's more deck building (but that almost means more similarity between heroes). It's also less counting than Sentinels.
@@camipco yeah both have pros and cons
How does it compare to Sentinels of the Multiverse?
So does this mean Legendary no longer has the Marvel license and will no longer see expansions for it?
Correct
as soon as I saw how mechanical the game played (much like LOTR) I was basically out. I was hoping for some light story telling and more thematic superhero stuff and this might as well be Sentinels of the Multiverse. A missed opportunity to make it a super hero companion to Arkham Horror LCG and a no bueno from me.
I'm fine with this being more scenarios based. I love Arkham LCG but because of their business model I didn't feel like buying 2 sets to play with 3 or 4. This let's me play with 4 people right away and I can play whatever scenario and not worry about a narrative. So I'm excited to hopefully get this under the tree this year or my birthday next year.
@@codydavis3100 my problem is games like this bore me to tears. when i played lotr for the first time with a friend i felt like i was about to fall asleep. I shouldnt feel like that with Marvel Champions, but when i saw it being played it looked like the same mechanical stuff with no big fluff or enticing concept put in it, something that AH LCG does quite well. So in my head this should have been made more in that vein than as a replacement to LOTR.
lordxmugen In my opinion the story element of Arkham made it a much more 1 and done experience for me. Once I saw a scenario play out I had little interest in going through that story again which basically made the expansions essential in order to keep the game fresh. I much prefer what Champions is doing plus they’ll have campaign stuff down the road for people who want it.
@@Atlasfilms08 I felt exactly the same. AHLCG had very low replayability for me because of the story. Same reason I don't read books a second time.
“I love co-op...just not with other people”
???
If you don’t want to play the game with other people then isn’t it a bad co-op?
I don’t care what FFG release anymore I avoid them like the plague.
Can’t justify spending another $300-$400 on one game as I’ve done with other LCG’s.
I have Legendary that’ll do me.
So... are you *mad* at FFG that you spent $300-400 on their products?
Some Random Dude not mad. I bought the expansions nobody made me do it. I just got to a point where I thought “I’m done”.
I’d rather just buy games from other publishers where I know I’m getting the game in one purchase and that’s it, not spending $100’s later on expansions. It’s just too much.
LOTR LCG is in my top 10, but I completely agree with you. in LCG format, I understand the need for expansions, but FFG is notorious for "skimping" on the base game to charge more for it later. I love expansions to games, especially when they IMPROVE a game, not when they become NECESSARY to enjoy a game. I mainly buy my FFG games pre-owned these days
$300 - $400 on a game is too much? That's funny. I've had MTG and Pokemon CCG competitive decks worth more than that. FOR ONE DECK! LOL. It's a hobby product. Of course it costs money.
Still wish they would have focused on a 1 vs. many asymmetrical play with one player playing the villain. I suppose you can still do that and I wonder if the 3 different difficulty levels are somewhat indicative of playing against 1, 2, or 3 different heroes?
I feel like this is a money sink... kinda like Ashes by plaidhat games; which never got played and I just kept collecting lol.
It's a LCG from fantasy flight all are made to be money sinks, other games from them are arkham horror lcg where you need 2 copies or expansions to play to more than 2 players(even though it sais 1-4 players on the box) and legend of the 5 rings and game of thrones only come with a copy of every card in an atempt to sell you the game 3 times since you can have every card 3 times
Also known as a hobby?
Wish there were X-Men characters.
Wish granted
The way he said t’challa
So the comments about ‘no x-men coming’ have aged well…
Another nightmare for game stores. When the dust settles they’ll be left with piles of dead expansion packs as players move on.
@@Ironhawx ya it's a problem with the lcg model and other FFlight expansion driven games.
A while back I worked at a medium to big boardgame retailer in and dealing with the LCG packs for netrunner and star wars was always a pain and so was x-wing and imperial assualt. Both SW and ANR are dead and x-wing had V2.0. The store got stuck with all that unwanted product.
I don't know though, I was just a warehouse employee. Maybe these products encourage other sales and it could be that margins are good enough that it justifies the dead product left behind. Just brainstorming though.
My FLGS will only order FFG LCGs if someone starts a "subscription" for them (as I have done for this as the theme is more interesting than the others, and I don't have Legendary Marvel).
@@TorIverWilhelmsen an lcg subscription program is a really good idea. More stores should do it.
Can someone explain to me why this is priced so high? I see it for sale in the 55 - 70 euro range. Where i feel like it should be more in the 35-40 range looking at what is in the box. Is this a Living card game thing or something?
Yes it is.
So this or Legendary Marvel? If I had to chose
Daniel Champagne they say in the video they will make an in-depth comparison in the future.
@@mella4376 I want to know peoples opinion. Not Tom's. I rather have 10 people giving their point of view than judging by one person.
I see, although the game doesn't release until the 1st of November so outside of people who tried it at a con for a bit reviewers are the only ones with a decent amount of experience with it, so you might have to wait a while for a critical mass of informed and reliable player impressions...
Edit: also as they say it's tricky to judge two games with wildly different amounts of expansions (for now) as variety and depth of deck building do matter quite a bit. That said I'm sure you can compare to an extent
What's your budget? Seeing as this is a brand new game, and the other one has literally YEARS of expansions to get caught up with.
@@ccggenius I want to know which one is better as a basic game. After seing legendary, it seems that this one is almost a copy paste. Both deck builders, both with Marvel caracteres and battling vilains, both coop but plays great as solo. So why would someone buy this one if he has legendary (and vice versa)?
So basically it's very similar to Sentinels of the Multiverse.
Nope
@@danacoleman4007 looks that way to me.
What a Fantasy Flight game that is basically a copy of one of their older games with a diff skin? Say it ain't so. Their entire business model has been rehashing the same few games over and over.
I'd like to play, but I can't get into that artwork.
I know what you mean. The art didn't bother me too much but what did is the icons and symbols.
Marvel Legendary is not a cooperative game, it's competitive. Only Legendary Encounters are coop.
Tom! Don't forget to compare this game to Sentinels of the Multiverse as well! You know it deserves a place at the table during the comparison video. 👍
Nope
mehh, not my cup of tea
Learn the game first !
I got hit by the toxic gamer base before the game even hit shelves. I was on the fence about the game, asking questions through the FFG forums about how many players are truly supported by one copy of the game, which would help me decide whether or not to buy it, and the die-hards lashed out at me over and over again, pummeling me with the same stupid arguments over and over again because I didn't 100% agree with them. (Seriously, a moderator had to step in and shut down the thread.) So I don't ever want this game anywhere near me.
Okay bye
Not for me - I prefer the LOTR theme and I didn't even go in for that one. The LCG model has yet to get to me!
Can't get into the mechanics of this game ... I feel like the overall weak mechanics don't fit the theme
But I'm also not into the Marvel Theme
Really sad that they want do a german version.
This seems needlessly complex... and generic at the same time.
Generally, for deck building games, either building the deck is part of the game (think draft games), or the rules are simple (MTG: 60 or more cards, up to 4 of each... except basic lands.).
Beyond that, this seems both stingy with characters, and wasteful. Stingy as you get 3 villains (and Rhino is the Spiderman one?) vs 5 heroes, and wasteful as you get named characters who are part of both villain and hero's deck. Like, I can understand wanting to be able to "recruit" other characters (though perhaps not in a 2+ character game?), but I'd also like freedom to do so. Why can't Klaw use the Rhino as his henchman, for example?
I like the "secret identity" thing.
I'm not sure I like shuffling the hero's problem(s) into the villain deck... this seems like there should be a couple of problems for each character, and you draw randomly each game.
Finally, I'm not a fan of the "costs" tabs. WOTC's Transformers does something similar, and it just seems... arbitrary. In mtg, a swamp taps for 1 Black mana. But here? One of my cards can be discarded to pay for 1 or 2 of a cost on another one of my cards? Why? The cost should be tied to the flavor of the card, and at least from what I see here, it's not. Also, the cost is unrelated to the effect of the card, creating memory issues. "Oh, this card is bad... but i can discard it for two green things, so it's good?"
Sounds like you should skip this one
@@TracerQQ Good review though; showed me what I needed to know.
I mean deckbuilding here IS far simpler than in MTG as you get pre-made sets that you can mix and match in a very straightforward manner to build different decks which will all work to a decent extent.
But yeah it might not just be your thing, in that case fair enough
@@mella4376 I'd argue MTG is simpler - You're free to do what you want. Here, it seems they're making you take certain roles (aggressive, leader, etc.), and have certain cards associated with characters. Admittedly, someone unfamiliar with a mtg format might find deck construction daunting ("Where do I begin?"); but if you're going for kitchen table (casual), it's easy enough - look at all your [color] cards, and choose the ones you want to put them in a [color] deck.
Of course, if you're going for competitive it might be a problem. MTG just announced (ANOTHER!) new format, and my playgroup seems interested. But WOTC hasn't updated gatherer, so it's a bit daunting to metagame for a new format where I'm unfamiliar with the majority of cards.
Still, even for competitive constructed; I'm free to experiment and explore.
William Simkulet I mean here all you have to do is shuffle one of the colored piles together with your signature cards, and add a handful of neutrals as instructed. In MTG either you buy a pre-made deck or you have just a vast ocean of cards, no idea what your land distribution should be, and no idea how to prioritize any card over any other. If your only criterion is get what looks cool, you can do it here too, if you are meant to think about it (assuming you have a larger Marvel collection than just the core), MTG having basically no rules means deckbuilding is much much harder than something a bit more on rails.
I feel like he purposely said T'Challa name wrong..... interesting game though .
TaKalla! Hahaha
Superhero theme is nice, but also boring as shit. Lotr LCG is nice too, but impossible to start playing now.
Nah. You can still find everything for LoTR LCG. I started collecting about a year and a half ago and I have found every deluxe expansion and the older cycle blocks.
@@MikeGrimsey how much did you spend?
@@GeorgiosD90 MSRP. I got all of it from my LGS. None of it is out of print you can still order every set. Some of them just take a while to ship as they get reprinted.
@@MikeGrimsey so you went to the store one day and found the complete product list and purchased as much as you could and then you went a few more times later and bought the rest including the nightmare decks, is that right?
Can you tell us how much you spent for everything?
@@GeorgiosD90 the complete product list can be found on ringsdb.com or on FFGs website. I dont bother with the nightmare decks, although my LCG has around 100 sitting in stock with a thick layer of dust on them (literally). No I cant tell you off the top of my head exactly how much I have spent as I dont keep track, but an educated guess is around $700 CAD going by what sets I have and converting the MSRP on FFGs website to CAD for everything I have so far.
Disappointed it's not using the superhero team Champions. Instead we get the same old boring heroes used in everything except for She Hulk.
ABevs1 Uhh it’s a living card game.. there will be new heroes every other month so I’m sure they’ll show up.
@@b.c.eckhoff3495 Uhh I'm aware. I still wish they had used Champions and not mostly Avengers.
@@ABevsWish granted. Champion heroes are done.
Another FFG game with endless expansions. Guess there will be special new rules with each expansion too. But only cards, counters and tokens so far. Won't buy.
Has Tom always breath so snorty? xD
Where's the component drop????
Dice tower quality is degrading
Lost me at "cooperative game"
Man, blow your nose before recording. *talking talking talking, quick snotty intake of air through nose, repeat*
Also, "T-Kaw-Law"? Come on man. 2:57
Yeah, everyone should know how to pronounce that word
So Tom, you all of a sudden like games WITHOUT Apps?
Great review, thumb down for the fedora.
Douche
This show is stuck in the 90s