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Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets - Better Yager than Never
On today’s special offseason report of Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets, Nik and Brady are here breaking down the trade of Rutger McGroaty for Breydan Yager and how that can impact the teams outlook this year and next. Then the boys try and decode Kevin Cheveldayoff's strange press conference and if this situation could be signalling the start of a real youth movement in Winnipeg? Did the Jets do enough on this trade? Is it really a "better Yager than never" situation? Let’s talk about it.
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Winnipeg Jets trade Rutger McGroatry to Pittsburgh
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Winnipeg Jets trade Rutger McGroatry to Pittsburgh
Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets - Playing Chess, not Checkers
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On today’s special offseason report of Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets, Nik and Brady are here breaking down the draft, the opening of Free Agency, Dylan DeMelo signing a new deal, Nate Schmidt being bought out and the potential trades of Rutger McGroaty and Nik Ehlers. Can Chevy piece together a winning roster via trade now that the big names are off the Free Agency board? Is he playing Chess or Checke...
Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets - Draft, Develop, Depart?
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Shocking and disappointing news coming out of the Winnipeg Jets offseason as top prospect and 2022 first round pick, Rutger McGroarty, has announced he will return to the University of Michigan for the 2024-2025 season. Nik and Brady are here breaking it down and putting together what’s next for both parties. What does a trade look like? Is Nik Ehlers gone too? The boys also hit you with some q...
Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets - Summer of Scott with Brandon Rewucki
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We have an exciting summer ahead at Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets and this week is kicking off with Nik and Brandon Rewucki of the Skates and Plates Podcast breaking down the opening of what could be the biggest offseason in Winnipeg Jets 2.0 history. Opening up with the hiring of Scott Arniel and stark difference from how things were handled with how Rick Bowness was brought on leads to some fiery ta...
Immediate reaction to Scott Arniel Introductory Press Conference
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Immediate reaction to Scott Arniel Introductory Press Conference
Winnipeg Jets Name Scott Arniel Head Coach
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Winnipeg Jets Name Scott Arniel Head Coach
Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets - Offseason Report - Summer Outlook
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It’s another early start to the summer and your boys at Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets, Nik and Jordan, are back with a special daily serious of offseason reports. Today the whole offseason summer gets a full review! Where can the organization improve the team through Free Agency, trades, and the draft? Only one way to find out! The boys are fired up and you will be too after this one. We’re your spot ...
Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets - Offseason Report - Forwards
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It’s another early start to the summer and your boys at Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets, Nik and Jordan, are back with a special daily serious of offseason reports. Today the forwards get a full review! Where can the organization improve the forward corp of the team? Only one way to find out! The boys are fired up and you will be too after this one. We’re your spot for expert analysis, candid discussion...
Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets - Offseason Report - Defense and Goalies
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It’s another early start to the summer and your boys at Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets, Nik and Jordan, are back with a special daily serious of offseason reports. Today the Defense and Goalies get a full review! Where can the organization improve the backend of the team? Only one way to find out! The boys are fired up and you will be too after this one. We’re your spot for expert analysis, candid disc...
Breaking News: Rick Bowness retires as Winnipeg Jets Head Coach
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Breaking News: Rick Bowness retires as Winnipeg Jets Head Coach
Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets - Offseason Report - Hockey Operations
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It’s another early start to the summer and your boys at Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets, Nik and Jordan, are back with a special daily serious of offseason reports. Today the Hockey Ops department gets a full review! Where can the organization improve the off-ice portion of the team? Only one way to find out! The boys are fired up and you will be too after this one. We’re your spot for expert analysis, ...
Winnipeg Jets Morning After Recap: Season’s Over Edition
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Winnipeg Jets Morning After Recap: Season’s Over Edition
2.30 Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets - Self Inflicted Wounds
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🤕 On today’s painful episode of Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets, Nik and Jordan are back to get into brutal showing in game 4 and where to go from here. Can the Jets heal from these self inflicted wounds? Can they answer the call when it’s coming from inside the house? Can Rick Bowness make any adjustment to get this team back into it? Only one way to find out! The boys are fired up and you will be too ...
Morning After Recap: Winnipeg Jets vs Colorado Avalanche Game 3
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Morning After Recap: Winnipeg Jets vs Colorado Avalanche Game 3
2.29.5 - Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets - Winter Winds with Lyss Houde
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2.29.5 - Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets - Winter Winds with Lyss Houde
Morning After Recap: Winnipeg Jets vs Colorado Avalanche Game 2
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Morning After Recap: Winnipeg Jets vs Colorado Avalanche Game 2
Morning After Recap: Game 1, Winnipeg Jets vs Colorado Avalanche
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Morning After Recap: Game 1, Winnipeg Jets vs Colorado Avalanche
2.29 Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets - Breaking The Ice 🧊
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2.29 Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets - Breaking The Ice 🧊
Morning After Recap: Winnipeg Jets vs Seattle Kraken
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Morning After Recap: Winnipeg Jets vs Seattle Kraken
2.28 Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets - Whiteout Warning in Effect
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2.28 Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets - Whiteout Warning in Effect
Morning After Recap: Jets vs Avalanche
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Morning After Recap: Jets vs Avalanche
Morning After Game Recap: Jets vs Stars
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Morning After Game Recap: Jets vs Stars
Morning After: Jets vs Preds. Thank you Hellebuyck
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Morning After: Jets vs Preds. Thank you Hellebuyck
2.26 Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets -A Samberg In The Hand Is Worth Two In The Bush - PLUS GIVEAWAY!
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2.26 Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets -A Samberg In The Hand Is Worth Two In The Bush - PLUS GIVEAWAY!
Winnipeg Jets vs Calgary Flames Morning After Recap
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Morning After Recap: Winnipeg Jets vs LA Kings
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2.26 Top Lyne Winnipeg Jets - Bare Bones Therapy
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Winnipeg Jets vs Ottawa Senators Morning After RANT
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Winnipeg Jets vs Ottawa Senators Morning After RANT
Winnipeg Jets vs Vegas Golden Knights - Morning After Recap: WAKE UP RICK
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Winnipeg Jets vs Vegas Golden Knights - Morning After Recap: WAKE UP RICK
I’m late, just saw your newest video. I gotta agree, the people who think demelos contract is bad are crazy. He would’ve gotten more on the market, we know he’s great with morrisey, and without him we have no top 4 RHD unless you still consider pionk that guy but he’s struggled a ton. Without him we’re heading to the bottom of the central because our defence would be so bad
The first red flag should have been the guy plays forward and CHOOSES to wear #2. Penguins are also going full rebuild in 2 years. Dubas doesn’t take that job unless he knows he’s got a green light to tear it down at some point.
I gotta say #2 in Michigan’s set up was SICK 🔥
Rudger was barely a ppg player at the world juniors playing on the top line and pp1. At least half the team played better. He skates like he has his skate guards on. not overly physical either. Not impressed. He will be in the ahl by Christmas.
Can’t say I’d use “world junior point totals” as an argument for players success in pro
Great show. I feel like the Jets could’ve given Rutger everything he wanted and he was still going to take the first bus out of town anyways. But, ya, I wish the Jets weren’t so stingy with getting their prospects into the line up. I also wish Veil was still in the system. That one hurt.
Thank you CP, and thanks for sharing your takes! Agreed, I don’t think Rutger had much to do with playing time and used the spot as leverage, but definitely an area the Jets need to push abit harder on
Hey Nik and Brady, that was an awesome show!! Lots of thoughts on the trade of McGroarty for Yager and I agreed with pretty much everything that is being said. I think Yager will surprise us and I watched a bunch of his highlights, noting that he can position himself interchangeably between left and right, as well as centre. I didn't see one position being especially strong, which could be a unique quality. He is also a faster skater and I'm wondering if at some point he centres Nik and possibly Brad. But alternately, I'd also like to see a sample size of Vilardi on centre, the chemistry he and Nik had was noticeable and I think it should have been given more of a chance to develop last season. I see the Jets being competitive this coming season for sure, and there is some uncertainty as we haven't had a big sample size of the kids waiting to come up to the team. Wondering what you think of the thought of giving 10 games to every up-and-comer, and the only way they go back down is if their sample size results are dismal. Otherwise they stay up. We got a bunch of new players for the Moose over the summer so that should be fine if some of the top guys stay with Jets. I know Brayden will have to stay at WHL or at NHL level so his path will look a bit different than our Moose players. Going to be a fun year and I've invested in 1/4 seasons, with the driving involved that was all I could do for the upcoming season. Thanks Nik and Brady, keep up the good work. :)
Thank you as always Phyllis! Love the time you take to share and express your thoughts! Hard to argue with any of them as well! Some fun and exciting things coming in Winnipeg! Agreed they can be competitive this year, really interested to see how much with some of that uncertainty! Love to hear you’re going to a 1/4!
Definitely like the trade from a positional scarcity and having multiple chances at developing a centre. Interesting they arrived at the best course of action incoroporating youth and not comitting to any bad long term contracts by accident. I am tired of hearing people bring up last years top 4 regular season finish like it was an accomplishment and something to build on, teams generally dont place much value on playoff position. This team won with depth, goaltending and because teams don't care about playing a random game against the Jets in January. This team doesn't have the talent to make a deep run unless the young players step up. I would definitely be fine with taking a step back if it means getting experience for the young players. The sooner you get them acclimated into the NHL game and routine the sooner you begin to see them becoming contributers. If you can move 2 or 3 players into key roles along with Pionk and Iafflo expiring contracts, and the Wheeler buyout expiring they will be in position to make some key moves. Of course the Kyle Connor contract always looms in the future and I am afraid that has the potential to be a bad contract 2 or 3 years in.
It is funny they landed there by accident, it was pretty evident they wanted to try and run it back. Thankful it didn’t, as I much prefer seeing the youth movement be featured and it’s impossible to ignore at this point Agreed completely about leaning on the top 4 finish, it’s just not realistic to expect that again. Fully healthy D core all year, Lowry best season since 2017-2018, a stretch of Ehlers top line that tipped the scales for 6 weeks. Unless Arniel surprises, it’s just not feasible to build off of without a massive blockbuster, and the fact Rutger was used for a future tells me that ain’t coming. Agreed completely on winning on depth, and the differences in their records between the 1/3rds of the league was pretty telling
Kyle Connor next contract has a real chance to break this team for a long, long time……
"better yager than never"? UNSUBSCRIBED!
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We need guys that can score off the rush. Mcgroarty has gorilla glue on his skate blades . Give me the prairie kid all day
Yager definitely should transition to the NHL and be able to do that!
Bold prediction. In two years with the Jets looking at running a potential 3 scoring lines realize Scheifele, Lambert and Yager are all right handed. Then proceed to move one of them to wing and re-sign a 33 year old declining Adam Lowry to a 4 x 4 AAV to play 20 minutes a night and wonder why they aren’t winning playoff games.😂
The crazy thing: I could totally see this happening 😅
@@TopLyneMedia as the saying goes, the past is prologue.
Stop dreaming man lambert isn't playing centre in the nhl.
@@user-vx7nw4mu2pI don’t see why it can’t happen. He’s played his best hockey by far when he’s played centre
Demelo is not that great his numbers are inflated by 44's play. Demelo cannot win battles on the boards. He has NO upside sorry.
Appreciate the comment, it’s okay to be wrong. At 31, who’s expecting upside? We know who he is, and that’s a very good 2nd pairing dman. Both partners have benefitted from each other, but of course 44 is the horse
AGREE ON VILLI N MILLER AS THURD PAIRN, MAYB STAN 7TH BUT PIONK WIT SAMBERG SCARES ME, LIKE THE YOUTH MOVEMENT COULD SEE SALO PUSHN INTO LINEUP IN JAN HOW BOUT RUTGER N AI FOR NECAS ALLTHO LILGREN N ROBERTSON WRKS
I’d do either of those buddy! Samberg-Pionk scares me too LOL
Another fun n enlightening episode..I’m at my cabin most of the summer n haven’t seen a lot of content lately but glad I got updated..I actually thought the lack of action from Chevy was a bad thing but you’ve talked me into this being ok..have a great summer boys
Thank you Gilbert, have a fantastic summer and enjoy the cabin !
Here’s my final thoughts on PoMo. That post game shout out made me want to puke. I can’t prove it but I’d bet he knew exactly what he’d say if he won. That guy is so full shit his eyes are brown. How he gets to skate on Blake Wheelers behaviour during his tenure is inexcusable. It’s basically an open secret now with multiple media personalities notable Jeff Hamilton hinting at it on a recent WST interview. Much like how it was sacrilege to even hint the Chipman was/is heavily involved in ALL hockey ops decisions and is now accepted as truth but never stated. Nik, keep up your great work and thank you for attending my Ted Talk.
Al Camino, I love it man. As I mentioned in there I don’t trust him as far as I can throw em. I look forward to your replies always man!
Chevy is playing hold em with one card.
LOL made me laugh
You also seem to think the jets will be in every deal or signing. This roster won't make the playoffs.
The Jets will be in every signing or trade? And I think this? In this market? Not even close Potentially won’t, don’t see that as a bad thing for a year personally. Rather miss and draft higher than get rolled round 1 year over year
My thoughts on the topics presented: Demelo contract: Totally agree on fair market value on his individual skill set. Slight disagree on hidden value, I think the extra value won't be on his individual contributions, but on his partner most likely playing his best hockey with Demelo on the ice. Elevating his partner is where the Jets get real value out of that 4.9M schmidt buyout: Totally agree, great minds think alike. No notes Draft: On the picks, I think they're largely solid. Freij looks intriguing as a really good skating lefty. He could be a Tanev-type energy guy going full speed, full-time. Dont have much to say on the Fin C, well see how that goes. And with your last pick why not throw a dart at a 6'6" C that's shown some flashes. Rutger: I was route 1 personally, I think adding an impact young player helps the age group we have in Vilardi-Barlow Age group and focuses those primes at similar times. I think there could be more than a roster spot as a sticking point between the 2. If it was just that with all the F contracts ending it would just mean signing in the spring and I would doubt that plan would create the irreparable situation we hearing about. If it is just not being promised a spot then bye, I have no issues with the org taking the stance that roster spots aren't won on the negotiating table. FAs: Dillon will be the only one I'll truly miss but I can see why he wasn't retained. Happy for LB, was never coming back would have preferred he go out east lol. Missing Mony is a massive blessing in disguise that some may not realize for 2-3 years Signings: I think Comrie is a cheap vibes pickup, I have no issues with it, I'd rather pay 800k for vibes than 6M. Kakhonen is there to fight for Helle's backup spot with Comrie. Miller will give Ville a solid D partner on the 3rd pair, he's a trigger guy from the blue line while Ville is a pure distributor, so they could work pretty well. YOUTH: I have so much time for Lambert 2C with a long runway. He had a similar production season as KFC with an arguably worse Moose team and has shown to be a true C given his struggles at Wing from his D-1 year to until he was sent to Seattle. I loved watching him this past year and has made some truly elite plays. Salo could easily be a very good 2RD, skating and a mean streak combo in an RHD is such a good find in the 2nd. I have time for Chibby and Barlow in 2-3 years. 1 or 2 more guys in this age range coming back in a trade working out and the future is real bright
Julien, we’ve been going back and forth elsewhere all day, so not going to spend too much time answering point for point Just wanted to say, thank you for being such a great presence in our comments, and jets socials, always enjoy how much thought you put into these discussion 🫡
@@TopLyneMedia totally understand lol. Happy to keep having meaningful discussions going.
Jets have a new coaching staff, and we are finally giving the prospects a chance, we have alot to look forward to as Jets fans
Agreed
Good pod guys. I agree with you on most of your points. Avoided the Mony grenade (but we were trying so…). Chance for the young guys to show their stuff - yes! Finally. Signings and draft picks this year - solid. However, let’s not kid ourselves, this is a damaged organization that now has virtually no chance at the Cup for at least another 3-4 years, if at all. Wpg is the least favourable destination in the league. We can’t change the Canadian tax structure. We can’t change the Wpg winter. Spare few want to be here….and now it’s prospects. I don’t buy the McG no ice time / Moose argument….I’m with Sean Reynold….McG didn’t want to be here a la CutterG. That one is on management. They are paid to know trends and risks. Jets can’t and shouldn’t have gone to the draft table and drafted a US college kid in the 1st, knowing the reputation of the team. The risk has always been there…we got lucky with KFC so far (but he’s almost assuredly leaving), got a few years from Trouba. Many other examples with Adam Fox leading the way. And let’s not even talk about prospect management… But as you said, plan B is an option I don’t mind going down even though it likely lead to short term pain (lottery in our near future). But I’m looking forward to seeing Perfetti, Lambert, Heinola and Salo and then Chib and Barlow get their trials by fire. Heck, even Stanley….okay I went off the rails there.
The fact we were trying and failed could definitely be looked at as a negative on management. I’m just most excited that we arrived at a place I wanted this org to end up at My confidence is still rather short with where it goes from here, but this situation is ideal. Hard to disagree with yourself on it being a damaged organization with no chance at a cup in that window. I think very few would disagree truly. Yes to all the above on Winnipeg and what it is, and I could see the case for Renny nailing this. At the end, regardless of conclusion, we do arrive at the same spot and that it’s this org got themselves into this pickle and should’ve known better, I put that on them more than anyone. It’s frustrating. Plan B was always the plan in Winnipeg that gives the Jets a long term *chance*, if could fail. But Plan A… was org suicide. 1st round playoff ceiling gradually drifting into an old, expensive rebuild with no real assets. We avoided that, and for that, I’m thankful
Great show Nik and Brady.... in answer to your question about Slafkovsky, he's getting 7.6m x 8 years = 60.8m. Really good thoughts all around. I support going with a youth movement, with guidance by the vets on the team. I think that's the key to success for this team.
Thanks Phyllis! Also thanks for the correction! I really think it’ll work itself out even if it wasn’t Plan A. I was never big on Plan A
I don't think this 🤔 team will go to far if they don't add the pieces that are desperately needed 😊😊
We shall see! ☺️
WAT IM FIRED LOL SAW DA COMMENT COULDN REACT SOOO IM HERE TO LISTEN N HARASS U LOL SOOO IM JUS STARTN SHO N WILL CHIME IN AGAIN😂
NOT SURE WAT UP WIT U BUT HOPE THINGS R BETTER N GOOD GD SHOW
@@tconapauli1630thanks man, been dealing with something personal. Starting to come around. Thanks for listening
So just to add to your Paul Maurice comment. Jeff Hamilton essentially admitted on WST in reference to a Liane return that Blake Wheeler was basically an asshole at best and a bully at worst. How in the hell can an NHL coach allow that to happen to a number 2 overall pick and likely others? A pick that they won a lottery and moved 8 spots to get. I’ve posted on other platforms and the reply is usually Pomo wanted to change it but Chevy wouldn’t. 😅 that post game interview made me want to puke.
The development issues also include putting Chisholm and Kovacevic on waivers with little to no attempt to play them in the NHL, both are full time NHLers, instead they keep their 8 yr project Logan Stanley who has never shown even close to the talent Jets management thinks he has. As for Bones being the culture champion, maybe the first year, but his handling of the entire line up in the second half of the year was peewee league stuff at best, and I believe they asked him to retire, as they now need to rebuild the culture again. 2 steps forward then a whole bunch backwards
Certainly feels that way, doesn’t it.
I think the biggest difference in what you think needs to be done with the Jets is how you view this team: - 1) looks at last year and thinks that was a great year we are close we need to go for it. 2) Looks at the Jets playoff performance and how the teams that made deep runs have looked, the roster problems and say we are not even close. Jets I believe incorrectly view themselves as a contender and you have to compete for a role because we are a good team. This organization is delusional they have way overestimated how good this team is based on regular season performance. I am tired of hearing about this is a good team based on the regular season this team won last year because they are deeper than most teams in the league not because they have elite talent. Fans and media memebers point to measuring stick games against The Panthers, Rangers, Avalanche, Stars, etc. Newsflash these teams are elite playoff contenders with elite talent they do not care about playing the Winnipeg Jets on a random friday night in November or January they are playing the regular season to get to the playoffs and try to win a cup it means nothing. The Rutger McGroarty situation stems from a team that always bases it decisions on the short term and winning now. It is basically managerial malpractice you have to a vison and bechmarks for a team 3, 5, 10 years down the line and not to view McGroarty as an essential piece in this team future is just incompetence. Would it have been that difficult to make a concession to a key player in your future plans and say we are guaranteeing you 20 games in the NHL to start next year and we will re-evaluate after those 20 games. As an organzitaion you have to adapt or die, and after the Cutter Gauthier situation last year teams were on notice that this was an option players are now going to use. This generation of players is not going to tolerate being maniputlated and strung along by teams. The Jets are a decade behind and still suffer from the idea that they hold all the cards. Wake up players have all the power and it's not like they haven't dealt with situations like Trouba and PLD, the result they had to capitulate. The Jets always operate from the most conservative and safe route - the problem with this is that it is like the line from the move Rounders - "You can’t lose what you don’t put in the middle. But you can’t win much either." At some point you have to be agressive and truly go for it and playing young players is a risk but one you have to take to advance the team. Long story short the Jets short-sighted, rigid management style has cost this team arguably its most important and valuable player. It appeaers Rick Bowness had one more present for the Jet's fans and organization setting an nuclear bomb and blowing up the current and future roster because of his stubborn deployment and roster management decisions. If you detach yourself and look at this from Rutger McGroarty's view why would want to play for this organization based on how all the prospects on this team have been treated and the lack of vision that is rampant at this point. Sorry for the long winded rant but this is frustrating and should never have got to this point.
No need to apologize for the rant, loved to read it all and nice to hear from people who care so much/see things very similar to myself!
Same 'development' plan as Bergevin & the Chicago tree. Sorry
Just started listening, the defaulting to playing vets who we know have serious faults over young players who might have serious faults is assanine. Now at the development and roster construction, how you laid it out it seems like they have a specific kind of roster they want to build and try and make that work rather than seeing their collection of players and thinking “how do we maximize what we have”.
How long before noted hockey guy Mark Chipman takes some blame. That podcast episode could be a banger. Probably best saved until the rebuild in 2 years.
What an absolute disaster. There is an above average chance this team misses the playoffs if a few things don’t go exactly to plan. This could be Calgary 2.0
It could end up there with a bad summer..
The defense really needs some rough and tough defensemen😊
I'm wondering why ehlers wants out because he's the fastest player and they never give him ice time 😮
I was 50 / 50 on the Arniel hiring, but do feel better now that they are bringing in 2 new assists and the acknowledgment that analytics need to be a bigger part of the go forward plan. I was glad to hear of the potential PIONK landing spots. As much as we need a 2C, we need to revamp the right side of the D even more, if we go to camp with Pionk and Schmidt as 2 of the right side guys, it will be another lost season. The Avs really pressured Pionk and he was a turn over machine.
Yeah he definitely had a comforting PR day, day 1. We’ll see where it all leads. If Pionk is back next year, we know where this season ends, it’s really that simple for me. He can single handedly sink a team, especially on org that sees him for something he is not
I don't think Jets fans realize how much this roster needs to be changed / restructured. This team is a lot older than most people realize with a lot of the core pieces reaching 30 years old and on the downhill side of their peak performance curve. Scheifele is 31 and has probably 2 more years as a low-end 1c ideally he is your 2c. Connor is 27 and with 2 years remaining on his contract - if you give him another contract it will be in his year 30 season. If in the next 2 years he has an outlier 50 goal or more season that contract is 11 million plus with probably 6 years or more. If the Jets sign him that has the potential to look like a massive mistake for 3 years or more. That also creates a situation where you have a large amount of cap space tied up in 3 players 30+. Everyone is talking about dealing Ehlers but Connor is the trade piece that can bring a big return and get the age balance more in line. Appleton, Iafallo, and Gustafsson are roster cloggers competent NHL bottom six players with high floors but low ceilings that should not be blocking Chibrikov, Lambert, or Barron from having roster spots or moving up in the line structure. Appleton and Gustafsson in particular could be appealing as throw ins for a team that has a salary cap crunch say like Carolina. Next year you potentially have Perfetti (if he signs a 2 year bridge deal), Vilardi, Samberg and Barron all up for contracts. So the cap structure is only going to get more complicated. Finally the Defence is a mess with the players currently signed you basically have 2 viable pieces in Morrisey and Samberg. Ideally you bring back Dillon and DeMelo, but DeMelo is the key you can put him on the top pair and if you are able to bring in an upgrade for the first pair you can move him down to the second pair. You have to get both Heinola and Salomonsson on the club to start the year, your defence has the same issues with age as the forward group. Schmidt and Pionk contracts are both anchors and you would want to move both but if I have to choose one to move on from it is Pionk. Schmidt can be a 3rd pair / 7th defender. The common misconception is that your roster needs to be complete by the first game of the year, Jets need to put as much youth on the roster to start the year as possible and then re-evaluate. There will be deals and bargains that come available during the season and if something isn't working be ready to pounce.
I don’t think it’s talked about nearly enough. This core is past its best before date, and in their decline phase with nothing to show. Getting older and continuing to try and do something that won’t happen, will only kill this org for the next half decade to decade. They NEED to balance this roster with youth. And everyone outside TNSE who understands the league economics and roster building should realize KFC this summer is the guy to move. The scheifele thing is arguably the biggest “problem” cause he’s a 2C on a cup contender making $8.5M rest of his career now. You absolutely need a high end 2C, and preferably one with potential to be a 1C. At worst. Agreed wholeheartedly on the roster cloggers. There’s no reason an Iaffalo should be back for example. That $4M is significantly better used elsewhere. Appleton as well, but they love him more than any org. Agreed on the D convo top to bottom. Truly what I’m most fascinated by this summer personally. And yuppppp, you can give the kids a run for the first 3/4 and upgrade spots at the deadline. They need to swing for youth and upside. Not double down on this aging product. I think it’s a pretty safe “under” on them repeating this years “success” and taking another step this coming year. Focus on years 2-4 from here
I'm wondering why they signed 55 when you look at his age 🤔 😳 😕
The Cirelli idea threw me for a loop lol. Ideally, you do keep Perfetti as the Jets do have a good group of prospects in a similar age range that could develop into the next core. Agree that KC is the piece to deal in an ideal world, his goalscoring ability should drive up the price higher relative to impact than what you will get with Ehlers. I like Schneider as a target but Zegras has me intrigued after hearing the pod. Keep up the great work guys.
I knew that one was gonna be “out there” for the listeners, was holding that one tight to the vest until podcast LOL Agreed in your ideal approaches for sure. And yeah, it’s very obvious to any outside onlooker who understands the league economy KC is the move, but not the Winnipeg way unfortunately. Thank you 🙏
Based on what Commodore said, Arniel would have had to grow by leaps and bounds to avoid a repeat. Proof will be in the playoffs.
We shall see. Clean slate for me, gotta judge him on his work here now, definitely reasons to be concerned, hope he has grown leaps and bounds and at least has talked so far (actions will tell more, always) like someone self reflective and accountable. We shall see
Awesome show, Nik... I always enjoy Brandon's takes when he makes an appearance on WST and it was a pleasure to hear the two of you chopping it up on all things Jets.
Thanks Phyllis! Really enjoyed recording this one! Glad you enjoyed it!
Great thoughts, Nik.... and one more thing not mentioned: Brad Lauer being let go... that's progress as well. So we'll have new PP and PK coaches. One thing that struck me that Arnie mentioned in his presser was that he had plans for every single Jets player as part of his interview. He's had the inside track as to how the boys play and from what I'm hearing, the team supports having him there as head coach. Which means we don't need to wait 1-2 years for some of them to buy into a new coach's system, like some of them did for Coach Bowness. I think we're in good hands with Arnie and I'll give him some time to acclimitize to being there in the driver's seat. Next thing up, who do we want to see as Associate coach and PP/PK coach. Something to keep in mind with analytics, we seem to have two camps of thought in Jets fans... some have no tolerance for looking at analytics and strictly rely on the "eye test" and others (like me and you) love to see the numbers side of things. So he's getting pushback from both sides of fans, no matter which direction he goes. My hope is he can tune out the noise and do a well balanced approach to every game once the season starts, be quick to react when games are not flowing and that he will build a solid plan to bring in our kids once they are ready to play.
Yes I totally missed the Brad Lauer point which was good to hear yesterday. Really curious who they bring in to fill those roles. It was a good idea from a PR standpoint for the Arniel brand, and he touched on slot of key things, as you’ve very eloquently highlighted above that could/should have meaningful impacts Clean slate for me, he’ll be judged on how he does, whether I loved the process the upper management took to arrive there or not!
The interview process at this point sounds like window dressing more so than due dilligence. Unfortunately, this team seems to think they are a contender that just needs to get over the top but in reality they are 5 steps into their journey up the hill. You would think that the Jets as a small market team with a lot of inhernt disadvantages would have been looking for any edge they could get (analytics) to compete with the advantages of the bigger market teams. As I have said before the other problem you will have with True North is they are terrified of a rebuild or not being competitive , this almost assures you of the veteran win now model which is not really coducive to give young players a large role they can grow into. This team seems to be in perpetual run it back mode which would be understandable if you made it to a coference final but not after two first round exits where you did not even look competitive.
Rewicki and I went off on the process in the podcast dropping tmrw. It was definitely a facade. I’m really worried they over compensate the wrong direction because of this belief, and it’s going to set us back in so many ways for a while to come. Not rebuilding last year will forever be a whiff as far as cup aspirations go. The business itself won’t say it out loud, but I imagine they are content with 3 playoff home games a year. Sad stuff
I missed it but was Chipper in attendance?
He wasn’t at the podium, no idea about in the room
@@TopLyneMedia I was worried that he was at the podium again a la the Maurice extension in 2019.
2 points: 1. The fact that Arniel wasn’t even looked at by any other organization tells you everything you need to know about this hire. The biggest concern I have about Arniel is, since he wasn’t being sought by any other org, he’ll probably be looking to be as successful as possible because he knows if he isn’t successful here, his HC dreams are dead. Which means he’s not going to want to have rookies in the lineup because he’s going to feel like he can’t deal with their mistakes. I’d say you might see rookies in the lineup for the first 10-20ish games, then he’ll fall back on the vets because he’ll feel the pressure to be successful which, based on the vets we have, also probably won’t work. If we’re lucky, we’ll get swept in the first round and everyone will say that Arniel’s first year as coach was a rousing success, when really it’ll just be a case of us digging ourselves deeper into the hole we are already in right now. 2. This team abandoned the ‘draft and develop’ model at the first whiff of success, and has failed to see the need to go back to it ever since. Now they’re stuck in this perpetual loop of chasing waterfalls, hoping that they can recreate the magic of 2018, without realizing that they no longer have the horses.
I think you couldn’t me more accurate on Point 1, and we will continue to push on that. I have the exact same fears you do 2. It is so weird that they abandoned it despite it leading to their best season. I’ll never understand that
Great points. And completely true and rarely discussed by the media in this town.
This kinda of happened in the fabled youth season of 16-17. After scratching Thorburn and Stuart early in the year they ended up sending Petan, Connor back down because they weren’t performing despite being stapled to terrible line-mates. And Trouba’s agent basically insinuated because being stapled to Stuart playing 3rd pair minutes for 3 years was costing him money as a reason he held out.
He had a good enough press conference to get me to believe in his plan. Now Let’s see that plan on action.
Actions > words for sure But comforting conference no doubt about it
So, i personally have to remain true to my morals and ethics when I say i HATE the Vegas model. I do value loyalty. Id rather win a cup loyal then disloyalty like vegas. But that said. Id like to win a cup vs not winning at all 😂 people arent all that excited. Ill just take the opposite view for now... Remember after Tampa got run out of the first round by Columbus and people wanted coop fired, and it was time to change shit in Tampa... (Beyond GM leaving to go to Detroit...) I really hope thats sorta similar to this. I am certainly not in the camp that legit ANYBODY else would have been a better option.. so ill wait and see for judgement. Im skeptical if the players indeed WANT this hire tho. Its likely because Arnie has played good coach. What happens now when he needs to play bad?
I’m sorry, comparing Scott Arniel to Jon Cooper is one of the most insane reaches I’ve seen to date 😅
The last paragraph is a huge thing not many are considering
Didn’t they hire Chevy, Zinger and Noel without interviewing anyone? If at first you don’t succeed….
They love their model more than anyone else it seems
Bold prediction…22/17/62 playing 20 minutes a night. Can’t wait! What could possibly go wrong? Why do i have a feeling this is going to blow up in Chippers face? What kind of leash does he get?
It’s Chipman, he’s likely got a 3 year contract with a 2 year extension already lined up.
Yay.😐 I’m so excited.😐 I don’t know what to do with myself.😐 That’ll put bums in seats. 😐
Thrilling eh
@@TopLyneMedia I just want to see how this is going to affect season ticket sales.
So watched this again and I have convinced myself that trading Connor is the easiest way to get the ship righted. Someone will way over pay for that guy. That and realizing Adam Lowry is not a poor man’s Bergeron.
It’s really the one asset you can move and “win a deal” with. Rather trade a year too early than a year too late…
Good Show, lots of ground covered. I agree the D needs to be the focus this off season Demelo is the priority to sign, Ville has to be allowed to play so the team can see what they have ( we can't lose another D prospect to waivers, who was never given a chance) We have to trade for a top 4 RHD, probably the cost of a rooster player or top prospect Use next season to give some of the other prospects actual auditions of 10 game stretches' to see if they are ready or need more seasoning or don't fit at all, not just a game here or game there I like watching 27 as much as anyone, when he is going. Teams ( Avs are the most recent example )have figured it out that if you Gap up on him and don't let him get going with a head of steam he is a lot less effective, he also becomes very frustrated and becomes even less effective. That's my feel on why he is a no show in the playoffs PS: As I watch the playoffs and see the impact Lafreniere is having, you only have to go back to the 2023 season where he was struggling, people were calling him a bust, and there were numerous trade rumors. instead Laviolette and the coaches kept him the line up and helped him get his confidence up and game going, and see the results. The Jets did the exact opposite with Perfetti, for that reason alone I am glad Bones is gone
Thank you Don! Always try and dive into as many angles as possible, glad we covered a lot of ground you were looking for! Demelo definitely #1 priority HAVE to give Ville runway next year, or he’ll be the singular prospect asset they burned the hardest if they lost him for nothing. They really should approach next year with that in mind There definitely could be a lot of validity to the Ehlers take there! Man… LaF has really figured it out and been a treat to watch. I stare over at Dallas for the same reasons this playoff run as well
I think the coaching hire will tell you everything you need to know about how the off-season is going to go. If they decide to go with Scott Anriel it will be only the moves that are required and small tweaks but not he massive changes that really need to happen. Speaking of Arniel, I feel like he is getting a free pass because of the limited success he had early with Bowness out. If you dig just a little deeper and not count overtime loses as it's own category his record the two times Bowness was out was 10 - 7 and the record against teams that made the playoffs was 3 -5. Combine that with a penalty kill that was ineffective all year doesn't paint the picture of someone who can make the necessary in game or post game adjustments to be a difference maker or a step up from what Rick Bowness was able to accomplish. I truly believe that Bowness changed the culture , buy-in and effort level of the team but they succeded because of who they are as players and not anything tactically or strategically that the coaching staff did. All this points to hiring a coach that can build on what Bowness established so someone who can maintain the culture, effort and buy-in levels but can make in game and post game adjustments as well as be able to incorporate tools at their disposal like analytics. Arniel is like playing blackjack and staying on 15 when the dealer has a face card - you can win with that strategy but statistically you will lose in the long run especially if the ultimate goal is a long playoff run.
Yeah this coaching hire feels pretty big this summer. And there’s some quality options out there. Going to Arniel route will be looked at as “safe”. But it may be the biggest risk on the market…..
Once again I enjoyed listening to both of your thoughts..hoping Chevy can make the improvements necessary to win another 50 n be a real threat next season
Here’s to hoping! Big offseason ahead
Pionk is this year's Wheeler. If he's still here next year, I'm probably not investing time because you know it's not going anywhere
100%
I think nik goes just because why in the world would be consider staying. And there even before the fact that the org definitely isn't smart enough to understand the they have NO ONE who sits what he does for us😂
Yeah this move has a very real chance of turning things sideways
I really like the idea of a stop-gap year, letting the young guys ferment and ready to contribute on ELCs. Some combination of Lambert, Chibrikov, Rutger, Salo, and Ville will work and contribute on really cheap contracts. There are too many promising names there for none of them to work out. Odds are there are 1 or 2 that don't work and they are still young enough to carry value to trade for good current help. Moving off a Vet Forward makes sense for this, not just the big two I'll mention in a bit, but maybe another as well. While my preference would be for Appleton, just had a career year and I doubt he makes this the new norm, I feel like Iafallo would be the more likely culprit just seemed like one of the last guy to be considered when constructing lines. I would much prefer the 81 trade over the 27 trade. There are player traits/skills that make GMs put blinders on and overpay. 81's pure goalscoring could drive up the price like how PLD having big, top-6 center potential did for his return. What makes Ehlers effective has historically been undervalued so the odds of winning that trade in terms of replacing his impact are much lower. Personally, on the D end I think Salo at least starts in the AHL. He'll be turning 20 in August right before training camp and has little experience on the NA ice from what I remember. I think he very well get up to the NHL at some point, our blue line is unlikely to be as injury-free as it was last year and he is a quality RHD. I think the transition will happen much faster if he gets 25 minutes a night with the moose and he can join full-time around Christmas/New Year's. The actual structure of the D is so up in the air projecting anything concrete is damn near impossible. Only for sures are Morrissey, Samberg, Ville, 1 of Pionk/Schmidt, and eventually Salo sometime in the next calendar year. I really enjoyed the "Breif Week" and am excited to see how this all shakes out over the summer.
I really think a “bridge year” is the best way for this org to try and win in the first half of those 37/55 deals, and I think you can still sneak a playoff round in with it. All those guys won’t necessarily hit, but I don’t see like with what you’re saying why at least 1-2 won’t. Couldn’t agree more with your breakdown on 81 vs 27 and how the league tends to value both skill sets. This is where smart teams make the hard choice to better the franchise. Yeah, it’s going to take a lot of time for the full D picture to come into play right now. Just can go so many ways as of today! Thanks for checking them all out and we are glad you enjoyed! Thanks for taking the time to listen, but also interact, it’s these discussions I love so much in putting out content