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Yeah, the cross talking, especially over the ST, was really frustrating :|

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Spoiler In my first game, I was recluse, and hid that I was recluse initially too... In my case it paid off because I got demon-killed on night 2, but I think in general it's the kind of strategy you think is great as a new player but very easily backfires on your team. I was a tad salty immediately after the game mostly because I thought Gamerstar had just been trolling, but when I heard his actual strategy, I don't blame him for the way this went. Even voting on Pika on D6 had pretty decent reasoning behind it (everyone thought Gamerstar was evil, so he felt he needed to look like he was teamed up with Sneky to get people to vote for them).

@@DiploStrats spoilers (and spoilers for Game of Thrones/ASOIAF) ahhhh, the Jaime Lannister character arc, a classic. Shunned by all but secretly good all along

Spoiler And as you should have known: don't trust your archnemesis Salt ;) You are not Ezio who is best buddies with Salt. Dire being Ezio would have made it even more perfect.

Spoiler Re Dire/Salt, I definitely need to be more skeptical of things like that in future! I think I have some mafia-thinking stuck in my head that the evils are never going to defend one another that solidly because then if one is shown to be evil, the other is too... But that's not really the case in BOTC because roles aren't revealed on death. Towards the end I did get kind of fixated on the idea that Dire was the spy and had tried to get Salt's trust, which was why I trusted Salt so much. Which seems like a reasonable possibility too but I shouldn't have tunnelled so much on it!

Spoiler I'm curious what you mean by the video format revealing an evil player? It's something I haven't picked up on if so :D

@@DiploStrats spoiler I suppose it's still far from confirmation but it made me very sus.... in the video where you can go back and replay any part as many times as you like, it's very obvious that Dire and Salt immediately go into a chat together and spend a LONG time talking to each other. Similar to how you calling Tasnica into a chat was seen as immediately suspicious by the group And now that I'm watching it back, it's also interesting to note that sneaky and frog don't immediately talk to each other, but when they do the storyteller almost immeidately goes into their chat, and then dire joins them for a long while.

Emotions definitely ran a bit high during the game, but there were no hard feelings after! And I think people are getting a bit better at keeping emotions in check with every game; it feels like a bit of an inexperience thing, so hopefully shouldn't be a problem in future.

Yeah, I would absolutely play with all of these players again! We had some good chats after.

spoiler completely agree with what you said, there were so many times that they could've made a much better plan if everyone had known all the rules from the start. And they NEED to develop a proper protocol for sorting out votes quickly so that they're not panicking when they hear the bells and making terrible mistakes (like essentially throwing the game at the end there.... argh!!).

Spoiler I didn't even think about the fact that my conversation with Tasnica would have before they received any bluffs if they were the poisoner. I guess that's something that's always going to be pretty important to consider; your first conversation is always going to be a really key one - I wonder if I should have included Ravenkeeper in my 3 for 3 there then, given that even if I had identified Tasnica as town, I think they had no reason to consider me good. I do think there were quite a lot of kinda newbie mistakes here, and especially on the day where we were trying to get people to virgin-test we should have been paying more attention to people's reluctance to do so. And I definitely got the feeling during the later stages that emotions were running a bit high and people needed to calm down a little - hopefully that does change with experience! I'll absolutely be playing more of these - not sure we'll put many on the channel, because I don't want to flood out the Diplomacy content, but there will be at least a few more given the great response to this. You'd be more than welcome to join in future!

God I wish

@@DiploStrats Imagine Monopoly but it's Diplomacy

FYI, the link in the description doesn't seem to work.

@@timothymclean Thanks for the heads up, have switched it for a different one

I think ezio has thrown down the guantlet meme. Minecraft lets play after starcraft stream

WE NEED MORE

It just seemed very uncomfortable, Love diplomacy and this kind of thing but it sucks when people get heated...

Yeahhh... Emotions were definitely running a bit high on that day, and it didn't help that the nominations process was a bit more chaotic than it should have been. I'm hoping that's moreso just due to inexperience though, hopefully we'll have it sorted for any more of these!

Multiple povs is super interesting for this game, but from past experience I'm not great at editing that kind of thing. But the series on No Rolls Barred does this and I really can't recommend it enough, it's fantastic - especially the in-person ones!

@@DiploStrats Damn, well if you can convince others to record their gameplay I could easily think of some not too intrusive editing based purely off timestamps of Day X start, Night X start, when someone is nominated, when someone dies.. and then from there knowing who is what, you can cut between conversations during the Days, ideally focusing on people that you come into contact with who happened to be recording as well. For example: Let's say for all of Day 1 and Night 1, you are just following your POV. Whenever there's a moment that ended up either being a complete lie, or they're in the middle of being completely screwed (possibly that you even believe for ultimate irony). It wouldn't be that unreasonable to follow along at all, but I digress. The first time would be the most difficult. And depending on the game's direction and flow along with whoever you happened to play with that time, you can construct a metanarrative without having any sort of onscreen exposition.

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I'm super interested in comments about the gameplay and what other people picked up on that I didn't - you can avoid the Spoiler problem by starting your message as SPOILER and then adding five or so blank lines between that and your actual comment, then it gets pushed under the 'see more' (as I'm doing in this comment - warning, there are actual spoilers under here). I definitely picked up on a lot more that I should have noticed during the game while I was going through to edit it, although at that point I knew who to be looking out for. I think maybe my main issue was focusing too much on what certain corroborated info 'proved' (like the Washerwoman scan) and trusting that information far too much? The fact that I never really questioned whether Gamerstar could actually be the Recluse instead of being evil, especially given the Empath info, was pretty bad too. The bit that probably caused the worst gameplay from me was my read on Tasnica as the poisoner, but I'm not too upset about my play there - I don't really see a world in which assuming that was incorrect info was the play. It would require the investigator to be drunk/lying *and* Tas to have been poisoned, which did obviously turn out to be the case but feels like a super low % chance!

@@DiploStrats Spoilerspace incoming I think there are 2 important information points in the game. First one is Tasnica dying at night after you got executed. There is almost no world in which Tasnica is poisoner/evil in that kind of situation. The minimal assumption for me would be that Eldricht is either poisoned or drunk. My goto would be that he is drunk, making him 2nd outsider, making Baron reality a thing. I know that poisoning+drunk here is very low%, but Tas dying makes no sense in a world where Eldricht information is reliable. The bigger thing is Dire's (and to a lesser extent Sneaky, but his claim clears him a bit) reluctance to nominating Virgin claim. Dire as a spent role should have 0 incentive to not test virgin claim. Keeping revealed virgin not tested for such a long time makes nearly 0 sense for town and in the end making Mayor claim do it was very wrong. The most likely world is that DIre is evil+spy with washerwoman claim and they are either pocketing Salt (more likely) or just clearing evil (probably less likely, but is a reality here). I think town was in a very losing position from the very beginning and chaos created by Zargon early on made it nearly impossible to untangle. I also felt that godofincompetence information was somewhat discarded by town. It didnt help that they are a new player and didnt force things at any point, but that feels excusable here. Sneaky soft-claiming monk so early on, surviving for so long and never preventing any kill felt very evil (not imp-evil, but still evil).

I used to watch TotalBiscuit play this way back when - I think people actually play it pretty regularly on our server too. It might be something we do at some point!

​@@DiploStratsSame! I love going back and watching the TB vods every now and then.

We need the famfic

This did occur to me while I was editing, yes :D Perhaps only beaten by Diplomacywinks