Ideas for rules to add to the wheel: - Heatwave: nobody can move except towards water. Armies must hold or move to a territory that is strictly closer (in number of territories) to water. Fleets must hold or move to a water territory. - Conway's Game of Life: After the fall adjudication, every unoccupied non-SC territory with exactly three units on its surrounding territories becomes an SC. - Proxy war: the two biggest powers (by number of SCs) can each pick one smaller power, which gets one extra army or fleet to place on a territory of their colour. At the end of the year, the normal rules for disbanding are followed, so the chosen proxies are incentivised to take a new SC immediately. - Unrest at home: any units not currently on or bordering a territory of the same colour are moved back home (onto territories of that colour) to deal with domestic trouble. - UN Arbitration: At the end of the upcoming phase, any territories where two players bounced will be awarded to one of those players, chosen by majority of votes from all players. If more than one territory needs to be voted on, the votes must be entered by message to the GM for all territories at once, so the outcome of one vote can't influence another. No press is allowed before voting. - Redrawing the borders: before the next turn, players get the chance to exchange any SCs they hold (except their own home SCs) for an equal number of SCs held by another player if both parties agree. This exchange happens instantly, so there is no room for promises or betrayal. Any units currently occupying these SCs get moved to their owner's new SCs. - Temporary cease-fire: for one phase, units cannot (attempt to) move into territories of another colour, not even to bounce. - Rampant piracy / KRAKEN ATTACK: any fleets remaining out at sea at the end of the spring phase get destroyed. The owner has to wait till the build phase to rebuild their forces. - Chinese whispers: players are randomly put on an ordered list and can only communicate with the player before and/or after them on that list. The first and last on the list can also communicate. - Impatient diplomats: players get only a fraction (1/4 or even 1/5) of the usual time to communicate and enter their orders.
The opening was absolutely delightful, but my favorite moment was still wishing a spectator good luck towards the end and the spectator replying "Thanks, I'll need it."
Germany/France here. This was definitely the most chaotic game of diplomacy I’ve ever played. Maybe the most fun I’ve ever had playing a variant. Can’t wait to see how this variant evolves
Howdy you all! The English player here. This was such a fun a chaotic game to play in. This is the first variant game I've played and it was great! Can't wait to see how the wheel evolves and watch the chaos unfold. And yes this is a repost. I'm a fucking idiot and sent the old comment on the wrong account. Whoops! Spoilers below: God, everything about Russia that game was fucking awesome, from them being stabbed at the start to their resurgence near the end of the game. Second France, I think that backstab was great, and I can't believe I let you lie to me every turn after that and still gave you chances every turn. This was one of the first games I played that I don't think I played like a rat, and I have to say. Being the rat is incredibly fun, so gonna return to that. ;p
as someone who doesn't play and just finds it interesting to see you and ezio talk about strats and stuff, being able to listen to how those negotiations go is really interesting. Although, hearing russia speak immediately after the first move made me kind of sad. i don't think I'd have the right temperament to play the game myself
Yeah... I've never been good at those post-stab discussions, and I'm not really sure how to make anything any better there. Diplomacy is a bit of a brutal game because it's very natural for at least one person not to be having fun. That said, Russia's arc this game was nothing short of legendary, so in retrospect I think he's probably fine with it having gone that way!
Heya, the Russia for this game here, While it did suck being lied to and stabbed so hard so quickly, I ended up having more fun in this game than any game I played in before. Being a wildcard is satisfying in its own way.
Hello hello! France/Germany here, this game was such an absolute blast, I apologise if any of y'all had trouble comprehending me between my accent and my garbage mic. If there's anything y'all would like me to clarify about what went on on my end, I'd be glad to do so, y'all might not know about the Norway pact or the Content pact or any of the other tomfoolery I got up to :D Marcus, if you need me to subtitle what I said, I'd totally get it lmao
@@jandalf8128 When we were talking to Switzerland, we decided it'd be immensely funny if Switzerland moved into Marseilles, however only took over the micronation of Monaco, which would presumably be a new SC akin to Switzerland. Unfortunately, we failed to inform the GM, Davis, of this beforehand, and thus we sadly never got the Swiss colony of Monaco :(
I am Switzerland! I wrote to the GM "can I please just take over Monaco" but they didn't know what or where it is so I just ended up moving to Marseilles 😢 It did make for a nice final center count though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Now I'm curious what the Content Pact was :p And dw re: your accent, I understood almost everything you said except sometimes hearing 'Russia' as 'Austria' and getting very confused :D
(****SPOILERS****) Watching literally the whole board INCLUDING GERMANY coordinate to get Russia into Munich in Fall '04 is just the most bizarre and wholesome moveset lmao
This is my new favorite Diplomacy vid! I can hardly describe how educational and well-produced this is- I’m feeling good and SPOILED. This channel is always a treat!
I really loved to see you negotiate, I'm in favor of more such videos Also, it would be really nice to have a footnote edited in with your "true" intentions while negotiating. Helps beginners to have insight :D
If I do this style of video for more games in future I'll try to keep a sandbox open with my current thoughts on moves in them. I was planning to 'confessionalise' a bit in this one - mute myself and talk to the audience - but I found I basically never got the chance to outside of phasing times! Too much negotiation going on.
@@DiploStrats yeah, voice games (with 15 mins timer) leave almost no room for sth like that. Idk how long into the future you think in Diplo, but maybe put these thoughts in the Vid too (like in '01 "I want to contain Turkey in their home centers, maybe kill them" or sth), if that's not too much effort and still remembered. I really do hope there will be more videos where you or Ezio is playing in real time, as I find it very interesting to see how an experienced player thinks and negotiates (and potentially how often and when your goals shift). :D
the grandest LAN chaos diplomacy idea actually could be fun, but the best way, I think, would be to make it so that every player eliminated joins the team of the person who eliminated them, controlling one unit. The bigger you get, the harder ti is to stay together.
Just as I was thinking: have I seen a video where Austria does well? Very good sports of Turkey to not attack you in 02 as reward for joining his crazy idea. It does indeed incentivise others to join him in the future.
I do not endorse playing Austria like this from a tactical standpoint :D But playing along with wacky ideas can really work if it establishes a solid bond!
question to the nuke madness: asking from 1:49:00 time, having the centers nuked, do they still count to max army limit? Because they only said you can no longer recruit there...
They do - the nuking only removed the ability to build there. I think nukes that entirely removed the supply center would be a very cool wheel effect though...
Instead of having a set end date (which incentivizes people to adopt strategies they wouldn't otherwise consider sound), "game ends" should be an effect on the wheel.
Both myself and Italy thought the other would be doing it, so we both didn't want to 'bounce' the build and cancel it out :D I think for me personally I wouldn't have wanted to do it anyway, because I wanted to keep Turkey as a potential ally in case I needed them.
4:11:29 you don't really need italy assistance, because Germany can't support both Warsaw and Moscow with Livonia, so it all relies on a guess. But that attack requires Romania unit, which means it can't help in Balkans
Yeah, I did not think Italy was going to leave Serbia alone under any circumstances, and given the situation around Venice there wasn't a way to both go for Mos and to make sure I held everything. In retrospect, maybe I could have gotten away with it if I'd lied to Italy about going to Venice, so they wouldn't cover and I wouldn't need the Tri unit for support there? But I suspect they would have protected it anyway.
I honestly thought you had used the No Entry emoji instead of the Austria emoji as a joke, rather than this being the Austrian flag with a round portrait frame...
This variant is what happens when a board game's community is suddenly full of Valefisk viewers :P
He'd better take notes, I get the feeling wheel diplomacy might be perfect for some torture board game shenanigans
Lol, but makes sense...
I’d love to see Valefisk do that (I’m one of those Valefisk viewers).
ChatGPT Diplomacy when??
i can't even argue against that.
Ideas for rules to add to the wheel:
- Heatwave: nobody can move except towards water. Armies must hold or move to a territory that is strictly closer (in number of territories) to water. Fleets must hold or move to a water territory.
- Conway's Game of Life: After the fall adjudication, every unoccupied non-SC territory with exactly three units on its surrounding territories becomes an SC.
- Proxy war: the two biggest powers (by number of SCs) can each pick one smaller power, which gets one extra army or fleet to place on a territory of their colour. At the end of the year, the normal rules for disbanding are followed, so the chosen proxies are incentivised to take a new SC immediately.
- Unrest at home: any units not currently on or bordering a territory of the same colour are moved back home (onto territories of that colour) to deal with domestic trouble.
- UN Arbitration: At the end of the upcoming phase, any territories where two players bounced will be awarded to one of those players, chosen by majority of votes from all players. If more than one territory needs to be voted on, the votes must be entered by message to the GM for all territories at once, so the outcome of one vote can't influence another. No press is allowed before voting.
- Redrawing the borders: before the next turn, players get the chance to exchange any SCs they hold (except their own home SCs) for an equal number of SCs held by another player if both parties agree. This exchange happens instantly, so there is no room for promises or betrayal. Any units currently occupying these SCs get moved to their owner's new SCs.
- Temporary cease-fire: for one phase, units cannot (attempt to) move into territories of another colour, not even to bounce.
- Rampant piracy / KRAKEN ATTACK: any fleets remaining out at sea at the end of the spring phase get destroyed. The owner has to wait till the build phase to rebuild their forces.
- Chinese whispers: players are randomly put on an ordered list and can only communicate with the player before and/or after them on that list. The first and last on the list can also communicate.
- Impatient diplomats: players get only a fraction (1/4 or even 1/5) of the usual time to communicate and enter their orders.
The opening was absolutely delightful, but my favorite moment was still wishing a spectator good luck towards the end and the spectator replying "Thanks, I'll need it."
I had to check real quick if this was a valefisk video
This feels like what would happen if Valefisk’s friends got invited to Magic the Noah
@@Lorekeeper_GGuy Yeah!! Brain went magic the noah initially but then checked for valefisk cause of it being diplomacy XD
I can’t believe 4 different people played Germany this game
Germany/France here. This was definitely the most chaotic game of diplomacy I’ve ever played. Maybe the most fun I’ve ever had playing a variant. Can’t wait to see how this variant evolves
Howdy you all! The English player here. This was such a fun a chaotic game to play in. This is the first variant game I've played and it was great! Can't wait to see how the wheel evolves and watch the chaos unfold. And yes this is a repost. I'm a fucking idiot and sent the old comment on the wrong account. Whoops! Spoilers below:
God, everything about Russia that game was fucking awesome, from them being stabbed at the start to their resurgence near the end of the game. Second France, I think that backstab was great, and I can't believe I let you lie to me every turn after that and still gave you chances every turn. This was one of the first games I played that I don't think I played like a rat, and I have to say. Being the rat is incredibly fun, so gonna return to that. ;p
as someone who doesn't play and just finds it interesting to see you and ezio talk about strats and stuff, being able to listen to how those negotiations go is really interesting. Although, hearing russia speak immediately after the first move made me kind of sad. i don't think I'd have the right temperament to play the game myself
Yeah... I've never been good at those post-stab discussions, and I'm not really sure how to make anything any better there. Diplomacy is a bit of a brutal game because it's very natural for at least one person not to be having fun.
That said, Russia's arc this game was nothing short of legendary, so in retrospect I think he's probably fine with it having gone that way!
Heya, the Russia for this game here,
While it did suck being lied to and stabbed so hard so quickly, I ended up having more fun in this game than any game I played in before.
Being a wildcard is satisfying in its own way.
"Inverse Convoys" and "Time to get off" are amazing effects.
Hello hello! France/Germany here, this game was such an absolute blast, I apologise if any of y'all had trouble comprehending me between my accent and my garbage mic.
If there's anything y'all would like me to clarify about what went on on my end, I'd be glad to do so, y'all might not know about the Norway pact or the Content pact or any of the other tomfoolery I got up to :D
Marcus, if you need me to subtitle what I said, I'd totally get it lmao
Yeah please explain how to move to monaco because apparently I didn't get it😂
@@jandalf8128 When we were talking to Switzerland, we decided it'd be immensely funny if Switzerland moved into Marseilles, however only took over the micronation of Monaco, which would presumably be a new SC akin to Switzerland. Unfortunately, we failed to inform the GM, Davis, of this beforehand, and thus we sadly never got the Swiss colony of Monaco :(
I am Switzerland! I wrote to the GM "can I please just take over Monaco" but they didn't know what or where it is so I just ended up moving to Marseilles 😢
It did make for a nice final center count though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@jandalf8128 I thought that name looked familiar, you sly bastard
Now I'm curious what the Content Pact was :p
And dw re: your accent, I understood almost everything you said except sometimes hearing 'Russia' as 'Austria' and getting very confused :D
TBH i was expecting to see the Great Bavarian Wheel even though i know that Imperial Diplomacy Chaos isn't over yet
This comment will make sense to a hell of a lot more people after next weekend
Until then if you understand it, you're in a very exclusive club
@@DiploStrats im ngl this was just about as much a meme as the Great Bavarian Wheel tbh
Lmao
Turkey here. Excellent game, tons of fun. Looking forward to where this variant goes!
That F01 Russia conversation was so awkward
Yeeeeep... I maybe shouldn't have taken such a lighthearted tone on that one. I'm glad he ended up having such an incredible recovery arc, though!
Really enjoyed this style of video. A large part of diplomacy is the press and being able to see the twists and turns in real time was super fun!
This was amazing, we need to see Ezio's reaction to this in an analysis if possible
Swiss player was a real one 😂
(****SPOILERS****)
Watching literally the whole board INCLUDING GERMANY coordinate to get Russia into Munich in Fall '04 is just the most bizarre and wholesome moveset lmao
This is my new favorite Diplomacy vid! I can hardly describe how educational and well-produced this is- I’m feeling good and SPOILED.
This channel is always a treat!
This is gonna be such a crazy video I already know
The variant and especially the live commentary is very good.
I really loved to see you negotiate, I'm in favor of more such videos
Also, it would be really nice to have a footnote edited in with your "true" intentions while negotiating. Helps beginners to have insight :D
If I do this style of video for more games in future I'll try to keep a sandbox open with my current thoughts on moves in them. I was planning to 'confessionalise' a bit in this one - mute myself and talk to the audience - but I found I basically never got the chance to outside of phasing times! Too much negotiation going on.
@@DiploStrats yeah, voice games (with 15 mins timer) leave almost no room for sth like that.
Idk how long into the future you think in Diplo, but maybe put these thoughts in the Vid too (like in '01 "I want to contain Turkey in their home centers, maybe kill them" or sth), if that's not too much effort and still remembered.
I really do hope there will be more videos where you or Ezio is playing in real time, as I find it very interesting to see how an experienced player thinks and negotiates (and potentially how often and when your goals shift).
:D
after watching the 81 player game, "wheel diplomacy" hits different
I loved watching this so much! Huge fan of voice chat games like this. Super chaotic and fun!
the grandest LAN chaos diplomacy idea actually could be fun, but the best way, I think, would be to make it so that every player eliminated joins the team of the person who eliminated them, controlling one unit. The bigger you get, the harder ti is to stay together.
I really hope that one day we can do something like that. It'd be awesome :D
Nice video, clicked thinking it was a different wheel though lol
Love all the impdip references in these commments lol
Now this is the wheel deal!
What a beautiful watch this was
Just as I was thinking: have I seen a video where Austria does well?
Very good sports of Turkey to not attack you in 02 as reward for joining his crazy idea. It does indeed incentivise others to join him in the future.
I will do what I must to make my hairbrained ideas succeed hahaha
I do not endorse playing Austria like this from a tactical standpoint :D But playing along with wacky ideas can really work if it establishes a solid bond!
question to the nuke madness: asking from 1:49:00 time, having the centers nuked, do they still count to max army limit? Because they only said you can no longer recruit there...
They do - the nuking only removed the ability to build there. I think nukes that entirely removed the supply center would be a very cool wheel effect though...
Oh my god, poor Italy hahahahahah
What a mess of a game. Loved every part of it.
Spoiler alert for the last turns of the game
I was switzerland this game, and even just spectating the game was wild. That Rome snipe from russia...
C H A O S
V A R I A N T
Instead of having a set end date (which incentivizes people to adopt strategies they wouldn't otherwise consider sound), "game ends" should be an effect on the wheel.
Just a thought... winter 05 fleet con, just absolutely steamroller turkey.
Both myself and Italy thought the other would be doing it, so we both didn't want to 'bounce' the build and cancel it out :D
I think for me personally I wouldn't have wanted to do it anyway, because I wanted to keep Turkey as a potential ally in case I needed them.
You monster!
putt party diplomacy is goated
Man, watching the weaseling and slithering around in real life on voice comms is amazing, i would love more of that.
4:11:29 you don't really need italy assistance, because Germany can't support both Warsaw and Moscow with Livonia, so it all relies on a guess. But that attack requires Romania unit, which means it can't help in Balkans
Yeah, I did not think Italy was going to leave Serbia alone under any circumstances, and given the situation around Venice there wasn't a way to both go for Mos and to make sure I held everything. In retrospect, maybe I could have gotten away with it if I'd lied to Italy about going to Venice, so they wouldn't cover and I wouldn't need the Tri unit for support there? But I suspect they would have protected it anyway.
yo i see seventh day dip in the corner! (chromatic squared)
Spoilers 👀
Ok, but you better start as France next time.
1:00:04 Balkans IRL
I’m down for this madness lol
I honestly thought you had used the No Entry emoji instead of the Austria emoji as a joke, rather than this being the Austrian flag with a round portrait frame...