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Didn't have much choice (skills to do so) at the time. Have done everything you mentioned since however.

@@toekneegreen37 good on you. Everyone is unaware at some point or another. Glad you kept at it

We thought we did that, talked to the people that know the river best and knew us. However none of us realized the river was about to shoot up . But definitely agree that this was above our post grade back then.

@@toekneegreen37 The Catch 22 of staying within your level of competence is that you don't have enough experience to realistically evaluate the level of expertise called for. Based upon the footage in your video most of the conditions you encountered were Class 2 or less. The danger was largely limited to a river overflowing its banks thus presenting numerous potentially dangerous "strainers" which you repeatedly appeared to underestimate the danger of. I admire your willingness to share your misadventure with others in hopes of helping them appreciate the potential consequences of poor decision making. But in the future it would be wise for you to double the danger rating and cut by 75% your guess as to how capable you are meeting the challenge. I've been a licensed Maine Guide for more than 40 years and a Coast Guard licensed boat captain for 30 and that's the formula I've used successfully for myself for all those years.

Lol thanks! The nerves were real.

I felt it in my soul lol

@@toekneegreen37 very happy everything worked out and all were safe!

She's a wiley one!

Lol, should've thought to ask. When we were getting ready to run it the level was only 4 feet, which would've been like the Nantahala. It didn't take long to shoot up though.

I am glad everything worked out! I bet you learned a lot that day :)​@@toekneegreen37

Yes and no. We have learned a lot and have taken safety courses and know much more. We have run stuff similar and harder than this since, but we know much more and have the skills to navigate it now. This was very early on and had no business on this level of water yet.

Are you trying to insult us by calling us girls? I have 3 daughters, girls are way tougher than boys. Thanks for the compliment! But yes way more experienced, knowledgeable, and better outfitted now :)

Yep we were about 3 feet above our experience level. Glad we all survived too!

Pretty sure you can't learn a combat roll in a pool....That would be a pool/flatwater roll. How did you arrive at a 2 week time limit? Are you sure that is long enough?

@@toekneegreen37 I dunno professor, you tell me.🤡

Thanks lol

Could have easily been a very different story though. Glad we all made it and learned from it.

I wish he had one!

Good idea

People drown everywhere, even flatwater. The problem was we were not prepared for the water we were paddling.

Lol. It's section 3 of the Chattahoochee, "Upper Hooch." Wildwood outfitters rents sit in tops and duckies. But at it's normal flows everyone will be fine so you are going to have to put up with her insolence lol

Oh yeah we learned so much and have since taken a few rescue classes. So many mistakes were made, hopefully others don't have to make the same mistakes we did.

These were the perfect kayaks, actually overkill for these levels. The problem was with the paddlers, we weren't ready for these levels yet.

This is not what we had in mind... Well back then. We were told the flow would be like the Nantahala, which it was before it crested. I'd say stick with kayaking and only do rivers you are comfortable with and know the levels you are good with. Something we learned the hard way.

All 3 of us have improved a great deal since this video and now would have no trouble at this level. But yeah I don't think Indiana has the elevation change needed lol (I grew up in Illinois)

@@toekneegreen37 where is this river at?

You may be correct. That could have been Charlie lol

@@toekneegreen37 lol 😂

We were not ready for that level back then that's for sure! Nowadays this would be a very different video.

@@toekneegreen37 so in a year your highly skilled now??? That was noob kayaking. I’m really sad you put your wife in that situation. You could have killed her. You guys should just stick to calm water. Maybe you need to really rewatch your video with an honest perspective. And don’t rebuttal me bro, you got washed down river with no communication gear and left your weak wife behind, you didn’t even know where she was at.🤦🏻‍♂️ she’s to weak for those conditions, she needs to do a lot of strength training, forearm and grip work. If you not strong enough to hold and save your life then you have no business be in conditions like that. You jeopardizing other ppl’s life’s if rescuers would have to come out and look for her or all your body’s. That was sad and pathetic. 🤦🏻‍♂️

He has since gotten a sit in kayak. He had paddled the Torrent on Class 2 and light Class 3 for years and loved it . His run was much another probably because he had more experience parking than we did. He got flipped out a couple times, hit in the head by the boat a couple times but managed to stay with it and çrawl back in. His wife and kids will take the Torrents out. They are really stable and great boats. I've rolled his in flat water but it is a beast to roll, not sure if I could do it in current.

Very helpful...useless

Care to elaborate or add any helpful comments, or just useless insults?

I have a tether, throw rope, and pin gear now. Much better prepared these days!

Holy smokes! Nothing to be ashamed of in calling out for help when you need it, it might have saved your life! Doesn't take deep water to drown.

That's terrifying! Entrapment doesn't take deep water to be fatal. I'm glad you called for help!

Lol. This was a horrible day, but honestly looking back it was probably one of our most important and formative days. So I guess that makes it a great day!

Paddling a familiar river at 4 feet, a level we would have done fine on.

Did you watch from start to finish? Your comment is silly and makes you look stupid af, dude. Its already been noted that many mistakes were made and tremendous growth came out of this experience. The guy wearing the GoPro is now one of the best boaters in his area and often leads trips. Level 4 SWR certification as well as other classes have been taken, gear has been updated and kindness still exists.... except for in people like you, I guess.

Heck me and the other guy were initially planning on laps! At the time, seemed like the best idea ever lol

Having a rope tied to a whitewater boat is a bad idea. But now I have a throw rope in the boat and a tether tucked away in the PFD for towing boats.

No shit. 🙄

@@traceygreen9273 then why did you go into the water. Are you dumb?

If only it was horse shoes or grenades lol.

At the time we had no idea what strainers were. But we do now.

Lol, I think you are thinking about the Chatooga River. It is also nearby and absolutely wonderful.

Exactly

Yup, we were told it was only 4 feet and well within our wheelhouse. Didn't realize it had risen as much as it did till it was too late. But more importantly we learned a lot from this mistake.

Lessons were learned that day.

Is that what he did? Nope, that's not at all what happened. A gallon of water is over 8 pounds. That's an 83 gallon boat...I'll leave the rest up to you. I could have held on and been dragged over the rocks and hoped there would have been a place to empty the boat I guess.

The small stuff is very scary in the beginning, I remember the feeling when you could hear the rapid but not quite see it. Was scary.

You are right, so many mistakes were made. I now have a tether inside my PFD. You don't want to be tethered to a boat in rapids, especially with it full of water. I should have just followed till it came to a more calm section of the river. I think that was part of the problem, my focus should have been in the rapids 100%, not on getting the boat.

Hey genius, you think this is a how to video? I'm pretty sure no one had an Aquabound paddle. Charlie had a Werner. I'm pretty sure my wife and I had paddles that were like $35 on sale from Walmart. Who looks dumb now? (Pretty sure you don't get it, but that was sarcasm, I know I'm the dumb one)

@toekneegreen37 Awesome video showcasing your ineptitude. Please sell your boats and all your gear before you get someone killed. Seen it, you are that guy.

I'm the wife in this video. I'm assuming you don't have the cognitive or intellectual ability to fully understand, so I'll try to dumb it down for you, keyboard warrior 😂. This occurred after we'd been boating for only a few months. The outfitter assured us that it was running around 4 feet and that we'd be fine since we'd done this section several times and we had someone with us who'd done this river many, many times. If we'd have known it was spiking to 7 feet, we'd have never gotten on the water that day. Since this experience, we've taken several classes including level 4 SWR. My husband is one of the best boaters in our area because we took from this experience that we need to grow...a lot...so we did. My husband now runs class 5 releases in our area because he worked his ass off to become solid with his on-side, off-side, back deck, and hand roll. My on-side roll is solid, but until I have the other rolls down like he does, I mostly stick to stuff like the Ocoee. Rather than being an obnoxious asshole with insults and vitriol, you could use your words to provide useful information to help grow the sport and increase safety in the whitewater community. Unfortunately, I don't think you have the intellect to provide useful information, thereby you must rely on silly, immature comments about people and a situation you clearly know nothing about. I sure hope we get to see you on the water at some point in life and, even though I find you utterly abhorrent and disgusting, we will use our skills to ensure your safety. I feel pretty sure we're both well above your skill level and intellect. Have a fantastic day 🖕🏼

You are thinking down below Atlanta, and you'd be right. This is well north of that and very clean. Except when it floods and the farm waste gets in there. Tracey actually got a little sick but Charlie and I were fine luckily.

Thanks for your prayers :)

I think they think this is a how to have fun video and not how quickly things can go from bad to worse. Especially when you don't know any better.

@@pancakepillow thank you for your kindness. I'm the wife in this video and I can say that we've learned so much since this experience. It's hard to not feel embarrassed about this and some of the comments are hurtful, but I agree with my husband that leaving it up is the right move. We've even been featured on a Facebook group called Bad Whitewater Rafting Advice and are now being a bit crucified there 🙄

@@toekneegreen37 Everyone thinks they are bullet proof until shit goes south, most people wouldn't be brave enough to post their failure to help others just because their ego's are too fragile.

100% agree. I'm the wife in this video. We made so many stupid mistakes and got very, very lucky. We're still paddling all the time but have since taken swift water rescue and another rescue class, have worked hard to enhance our skills and practice safety techniques frequently. My husband has about a 99% success rate with on-side, off-side, back deck and hand rolls. He's done Tallulah and cheoah because he's got the skills. I've got about a 90% success rate with my on-side roll and am taking private instruction to help towards other rolls. I won't do anything bigger than the Ocoee until I have more skills in my wheelhouse. We learned a lot from this experience. And we have spent an absolute fortune on new paddles, better gear, new boats, and some lessons.

Yep, that's the best thing that came out of this day. Check on all of those things:)

Yeah, water was easy above my pay grade. Even if there was an Eddie, I doubt I would have been able to get to it with my poor skills at the time.

@@huntermaxwell6406 yeah, we definitely got in way over our heads. We honestly thought it was 4 feet and the outfitter that shuttled us assured us of that. We had no business out there and we recognize that we got so, so lucky.

Lol, exactly