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Very nice synopsis. What’d you say? Blahaha. Now to explain NDEs and the mathematical structure of the brain.. and why they are the same fractal. Does the brain have two hemispheres because it is attended in two ways? If yes then why does a walnut have two hemispheres? Too what is it attending.

Man, my mind is in such a confused split between listening to the likes of Jonathon but also thinkers like Alan Watts and for the time being, I cannot bring it together. It’s painful with a glimpse of light. Jonathon is doing such great work. I hope I can find some direction to live in a similar manner. Amen

This brought me to tears, Jonathan you did it again

I'm enjoying your dialectics with Pageau and othess.r I hope your audience grows. Religious thought for those who try to understand and think about beliefs.

Jesus as a nexus of all things. A combination of everything. A source of ethical behavior. The cosmic meal that joins the masses. and becomes one all encompassing whole.

[the iconography of the church is] “ an imaginal language of participation, in the very structure of our experience.” A lovely phrasing.

This was truly meaningful. See self-sacrifice in a different light. The higher good does not originate from the material realm, as in ...'The road to evil is paved with good intentions' ..... man's intentions. Higher good is inspired via a connection with the Creator.

This is like watching my left brain speak with my right brain about the reality of our existence.

I keep coming back to this video, brilliant!

Very good. But where does the experiential aspect come from in a physical universe... and around we go again

Guys, you’re looking for the difference between ritual and compulsion. That’s the difference between the sacred and the inner life. A compulsion is a private ritual that feels necessary, but in the end isn’t te centre line the individual needs.

St. John the Foreigner? Not the Baptist?

1:22 😂🤣😂🤣 consciousness go brrrr

Rewatch. Mind Spirit Blown

They go out, they go out, full of tears, carrying seed for the sowing: they come back, they come back, full of song, carrying their sheaves ~ Psalm 126

58:00 "I can't talk to my wife about this stuff." So why don't you talk to another man about it?

49:00 The meaning crisis - the purposelessness of men in their matriarchy about to turn into a bee colony while Vervaeke uses words the way an octopus might use ink

28:00 Why is Vervaeke accusing Maundrell of being ethnocentric?

35:00 Heidegger may have officially been a Catholic, but he was really an atheist and nihilist.

29:00 Group consciousness is not possible without a moral system. A moral system is not possible without moral principles. Moral principles cannot exist without religious principles. Religious principles cannot exist without a religion. Religion and secular political ideologies are moral systems. Religions last significantly longer than secular political ideologies. The most high status religion is of course Judaism. We know this because Christianity and Islam are derived from Judaism. For gentiles who want to worship the Abrahamic God, there is only Christianity and Islam. Christianity cannot be the national religion for Americabecause that would be unAmerican. We know this would be unAmerican because of all the trouble the Founding Fathers took to separate - or even quarantine - the church from their state. The American Revolution was a rejection of monarchy and Christianity. This was confirmed in the French Revolution and reconfirmed in the Russian Revolution. Christianity has been failing for half a millennium. It began to fail during the Wars of the Reformation. Being the religion chosen to support the divine right of kings, it failed to prevent the fall of the Roman Empire and certainly failed to prevent the regicides of Charles I, Louis XVI and Nicholas II. The First Amendment is based on quran.com/2/256. No other holy book other than the Koran even mentions freedom of belief, and we know Jews and Christians did not enjoy freedom of belief when they took their religion seriously. There is a White House Koran and it belonged to Thomas Jefferson who drafted the Virginia State of Religious Freedom which later became the First Amendment. If the problem with America is that it does not have an official religion, it can be easily solved by getting itself one that is in harmony with the First Amendment. Otherwise, its unoffical religion is the pursuit of happiness at the expense of everyone else and each other. As for Europeans, their unofficial religion is to obey the orders of an atheist and nihilist Uncle Sam bent on starting WW3. Is Uncle Sam like a transgender woman drinking i the last chance saloon before going out on a killing spree to commit suicide by cop?

28:00 Consciousness - group identity

27:00 Beating up immigrants as the group objective

24:00 The moral principles!

People leave the church because they see its failure to keep their group in existence and apart from others and the ever lowering status of Christians in their own Christian homelands. The truth of the matter is that God only allowed Christianity to teach Christians a lesson.

____________________________________________________________________ NOTES ____________________________________________________________________ Precise pointing (bottom up approach to complex words) 5 Things that point to Consciousness Awakeness Awareness Aspectuality Access Authorship Two Questions of Consciousness: Nature - how does consciousness exist and interact with unconscious materials? Function - what does consciousness do? Philosophic zombie - why we not zombies? why isn't all behavior unconscious? Evidence of Sophisticated Zombie Behavior: Highway hypnotism - driving unconscious Blindsight - see without consciousness Meta question - what is the relationship between nature and function? Are they dependence or independent? Epi-phenominalism - the nature of consciousness is seperate from it's function, it can exist without a function Epi-phenominalism is incoherent because nothing observed is like this. Functionalism - popular view that the fuction should first, and we can worry about nature later. Functionalism is incoherent because function comes from nature. J.V. advocates an integrated approach to simultaneously address function and nature. Things Consciousness is useful for: Novelty Complexity Ill-defined problems Qualia of hereness, nowness, togetherness is more primordial than more complex qualia of color, taste, etc. When you push consciousness to the limit with multiple object tracking, complex qualia disappear from consciousness, but the hereness, nowness, togetherness maintains. When someone enters a "pure consciousness" event, they lose access to complex qualia but retain a semblance of "what it was like" to feel the hereness, nowness, and togetherness. Adjectival qualia = complex qualia. Adverbial qualia = hereness, nowness, togetherness Adjectival qualia are not sufficient nor necessary for consciousness. Adverbial qualia are sufficient Adverb - describes a verb BEING = TO BE Adverb describes what it "is like" to be Awake = track the world Aware = make categorization/recognition possible Access= working memory (relevance filter) Authoring = recursive relevance (centering) qualia = salience tagging Perspective = here & now; holding things together, doesn't need content to be a perspective, defined by adverbial qualia, not adjectival qualia Function Recursive relevance realization (R.R.R) affords perspectival knowing which brings adverbial qualia, explains 5 pointers, and explains phenomenology. People correlate consciousness with intelligence (=R.R.R.)

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Great talk. Next time they should not have a time limit and just let him go as long as he needed.

Keypoint around min55 when John gets the crossbeams. It is followed by some clumsy attempt to go higher on Vervaeke’s part. I sense he will never get above that without God.

I love this little corner of the internet ❤️

It seems to me that the Good is also that which draws us towards Love. Not sure if he said that, but it seems true to me.

This became outstanding as it went on, especially the understanding of ritual as putting you into a state of meta optimal grip, like a martial arts stance from which you can best shift into various appropriate moves; the greatest chance of relevant transfer (and thus the mass doing this cosmically and putting the participants into a practice of reverence and love to spread out into the world) ^ very much freedom as perfect readiness as per DC Schindler's definition in The Perfection of Freedom.

Really appreciated the talk!

40:48 We're going to see a fight amongst the gods. A fight about what is more real. A fight about the truth. A fight: gods vs God

Masterful

So many of these discussions have just opened up my mind or fleshed out these great people's thinking for me in a way I hadn't imaged. So excited for what's to come

Appreciated Jonathan's critique of Kierkegaard's leap of faith interpretation (of the binding of Isaac originally). Rather the way to understand it is (in addition to sacririce of the firstborn being common practice at the time) if you give up the best of yourself to that which is higher you'l actually get it back because that's how it participates in the whole. However I do wish he could have picked up further on Dr. Mandrell's response that theere's a certain pleasure and joy in helping others, because Christianity too often comes off as a purely delayed gratification system rather than helping people understand that not just joy but the greatest joy can be found in chrarity, works of charity, agape and eros in a reciprocally opening process, including in the moment of service itself.

1:14:11 You know what?, You could make a retake on awakening from the meaning crisis, to us who doesn't have much time to listen so much hours, you know? Because we're working, trying hard something to realize in our lives, so we have little time in our busy day by day.

Wow

As one of those guys who has listened for years without understanding what Pageau was saying, I'm glad I stuck around.

What is the video between Dawkins and Peterson where Dawkins said there's no difference between intelligence and consciousness?

Ask John about deepening Prajna exercise, stop breathing, focus on heart out and in

Is there an aim to have another one if these, in NWO?

This is Jonathan's best work. The Christ is the most powerful symbol to me now that I understand this, it has to be.

It was an amazing conference. <3 Thank you for filming it & thusly, allowing the online audience to also participate in further discussion <3 I hope there will be many more to come, looking forward to it

I'm so glad this happened. I keep rewatching these talks.

Dialectical beings. Learned a new word thanks

I prefer to talk about 'subjective' and 'objective' rather than 'conscious' and 'unconscious'. To me every event is both subjective and objective. These are just two sides of the same coin. This avoids that extreme posited by Donald Hoffman: that mind is all there is. As well as that opposite extreme posited by others, where matter is all that exists. And seems more consistent with what actually takes place. A unity of subjectivity is achieved whenever an entity is an example of naturally emergent order. As opposed to being an example of artificially imposed order. That unity of subjectivity is sometimes described as consciousness. I think if you adopt this approach a lot of difficulties will be removed. Just as Jonathan Pageau skirts round a lot of difficulties by talking about 'the good' rather than about 'morality' or 'ethics'.

5' 07" - How do you know it's unconscious? How do you even know that you're conscious? And if so, conscious of what? You leave consciousness undefined but then use the word in many sentences which seem to assume it's already been defined.

Did he ever get to take even one sip out of that glass of water?